More and More Cameras
Does it mean less and less police officers? The results are in for the new "scanner" camera vans:
- The Chicago Police Department plans to expand their latest high-tech crime fighting tool -- cameras that can scan thousands of licenses plates an hour. [...] Officers who field tested the scanners during the past two months have made 14 arrests and recovered more than 100 stolen cars. The department plans to add 13 more of these license plate scanning vehicles to patrol around the city.
100 cars but only 14 arrests? We guess they didn't get the driver too often then. The biggest beef we've heard with this vehicle is that they have had to have a separate car assigned to them to do the recovery paper and arrests. We don't know if that's going to change with more of them on the streets, but it would seem a bit inefficient at the moment. Is that going to change?
posted by SCC at 12:10 AM
31 Comments:
1st and yes it would sound inefficient.
Technology will be the undoing of the police department. The death(figurativly speaking) of the street copper is near.
Im on furlo how are the new Lts?
I think their call sign is 89 hundred something... it looks like an ET van with camera attached on pass. side, kinda like a speed gun.
All this technology bullshit is just a public relations ploy. We the police know these "toys" really don't make a damn bit of a difference as far as crime goes. However, the citizens think its the best thing since sliced bread.
Tonight I was at a beat community meeting and the residents were praising the shit out of the license plate vans and BDU uniforms. I wanted to vomit, but held my chow.
Ahhh... ignorance. If only the masses knew the truth!
If I'm correct then whats the probale cause for scanning the plates? Go to court when you get some guys in a hot car and when the defense attn asks why did you pull my client over? And you tell them, no reason, I just scanned their plate and it came back stolen. The judge is gonna respond......no probale cause.....next. Im curious how the city will respond or how we'll get the blame for violating peoples rights. Just food for thought. Be safe everyone and keep your heads up! God Bless
Hey community college lawyer (above) you don’t need probable cause to run license plates. You can run them at random. Been in court never lost a case, there is nothing wrong with running them at random. The academy tells you that you need pc but you don’t. The academy doesn’t know what they are talking about plus there training is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO outdated.
Well then you have'nt been locking anyone up for hot cars lately then have you! You cannot run at random you ass! You'll lose the case. Everytime. Go back out there and learn something will ya
Anyways, you should know that cause you probaly just got out.
But if you still wanna be a jackass and keep losing cases in court then I guess you are a gangster's best friend!
All responses for 1:46 above
The United States Supreme Court has upheld that Police Officers do have a right to randomly run license plates that are on the public way. This is for two reasons: one is that the plate on your vehicle is not owned by the driver, but the state that plate was issued in, and two the vehicle is being operated on the public way, therefore your have no expectation of privacy when your vehicle is on the public way
I understand that.. just tell that to the judges you constantly throw out cases when your only probale cause was well........random check...I have never personally got or heard of anyone getting probale cause with that as your reason. Hell, the asa wont even speak with you if you said that to him! I was just trying to prove how messed up Cook county really is. Law book say one thing, but judges and asa's do another. It's sad....really really sad.
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1:20:25
Couldn't have said it better myself
While the above case is Wisconsin law, the principle is the same here in Illinois and under the U.S. Constitution. An individual driver has no expectation of privacy with respect to his license plates attached to his motor vehicle while that vehicle is in plain view or upon the public highway. Any plate can be randomly checked for compliance, i.e., validity, at any time for any reason or for no reason. That said - if you stop the vehicle, i.e., the driver, you must then meet the Terry standard of "reasonable suspicion" (not, probable cause), that a crime is or has occurred or may be occurring. If after making the stop based upon reasonable suspicion, the officer determines that his suspicions were correct, he then has "probable cause" for the arrest.
Its a progression, observation, reasonable suspicion, probable cause. Probable cause is not needed at each and every step of the preliminary investigation.
I'm am so tired of FTO's and supervisors and academy instructors giving their "opinions" of the law rather that telling new officers what the law really is. It makes us all look really stupid.
As for the P.O. who tells the PD that he pulled over the guy for "no reason" he just blew his case (stupid) and his follow up statement that the car was hot is now merely alibing a bad stop. You tell the PD that you pulled the car over after a computer check of its license determined that the vehicle was stolen. That's your reasonable suspicion and the basis for the stop.
If you don't know how to talk to a public defender or a states attorney when presenting your case, its time you learned. If you keep losing perfectly good cases then it is you who is doing something wrong not the other guy. Been to court on hundreds of cases and won most. Its persperation, preparation and presentation. The 3 P's of winning in court.
well ok then
About Joining the National Rifle Association
I joined NRA after someone (cop, civilian employee, or bad guy?) got into my locker AT WORK and stole my guns.
I sent the NRA, as a member, several letters asking for some help in trying to recover those stolen guns.
I never received so much as an acknowledgement that they got the letters. NO one word on any help to recover my stolen guns.
But, I got plenty of letters asking me for money and to leave my estate to the NRA.
I no longer belong to the NRA, and any cop who recovers any of those stolen guns has a great steak dinner coming.
I have never personally got or heard of anyone getting probale cause with that as your reason. Hell, the asa wont even speak with you if you said that to him
Random wroks everytime because its your job to randomly run plates.
TO 4:43 AND 6:25 THANK YOU.AS AN FTO I SPEND A GREAT DEAL OF TIME EXPLAINING TO MY RECRUITS HOW TO WORK FROM REASONABLE SUSPICION TO PC. I TAKE PRIDE IN THE FACT THAT A LOT OF MY OFFENDERS PLEAD BASED ON MY PAPER AND TESTIMONY,EVEN THO IT CUTS DOWN ON MY COURT TIME. THANKS FOR THE EXCELLANT COMMENTS
O8:48
That is sarkasm, rite?
HEY JAGOFF FTO HOW CAN YOU CLAIM TO WRITE GOOD PAPER WHEN YOU CAN'T SPELL EXCELLENT, YOU DUMB ASS.
09:06
I buleeve that the FTO did that on porpoise otherwize that is one stoopid
muthaeffa
Scanning trucks and Tact. teams. One of a kind. They both need POLICE to do paperwork for them. What a joke.
After about two months these machine will be like all the rest, LEADS is down, the system is DOWN or the information will pop up ten minutes after the car has passed. Now thats why they're assigning ISP because they have a better computer system.
Just goes to show you that most of the coppers here are either LAZY or STUPID in regard to running license plates, as the one poster said you have to sell your story to the ASA when you call. I've heard so many guys fumble thru the phone call, no wonder it's rejected! And don't even get me started on court, these coppers can't testify for shit!!! Go to Traffic Court and testify just for the practice of how to answer questions, no one gives a fuck if you lose there!
10 recovered cars and 14 arrests....most of the recovered steals are parked, a few are previously recovered by their owners but never cleared from the system. The plate readers sometimes take district cars with them (the van and the Tahoe can't chase) (although....we can't chase for just a stolen car anyway....)
sorry, should have been 100 cars...
the van is worthless. when it scans the plates and hits on one, the guy in the van has to run the plates on the pdt to find out why the scanning camera hit on it. when the van's sitting stationary the plate it hit on is a few blocks away by the time anything happens.
city hall wants the killing kept to a min. so the yuppies will keep buying the overpriced realestate thus further enriching king richard and his cronies.
This van is useless I watched it do nothing all day. What a waste of money
The license plate readers are meant to be a tool, like the spotlight or take down lights. It will never replace an officer. The legal dept said it is pc based on it popping hot because the computer cannot profile. It runs every plate, not random ones (up to 3,000 an hour).
Having worked the van, they told us to get district cars to recover any hot vehicles because they wanted thew van driving around getting more reads, not down on paper, although, half the time, we did the paper, especially if the owner was driving.
Technology is not the solution, it is a tool. I'm certainly not going to go back to 1850's firearm technology or 1950's vehicle technology (personally, I like A/C and air bags). And who wants to go back to call boxes?
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