Lieutenant's Test
So how did that work out for everybody? Any glitches? And insight? Is everyone going to pass like last time?
posted by SCC at 12:13 AM
Sunday, September 17, 2006
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ExamScam Redux
Hope Tricky doesnt T/S
After the last sgt. test Bernstein sent me a postcard of his new yacht. He said he named it "SUCKERS" I don't get it, what does that have to do with boating?
I have no doubt that any patrolman who recently studied for and took the last sergeant's exam would have scored near 100% on this lieutenant's test.
There were a few challenging questions, but overall, I can't see how anyone could fail this. They literally gave us the last 65 answers. If you were too stupid to read the reference materials given, then you shouldn't even be on this job in ANY capacity!
I assume that they will kick our ass with part two since the merit people will most certainly have passed today's farce.
My favorite part: They made us throw away all coffee/water bottles before the start of the test. Within an hour, one of our proctors had left and returned with...a bottle of water, the other then left and returned with...a cup of coffee!!!! Real nice. Other than that, I noticed no problems in my room.
Weren't we supposed to get a copy of our answer sheet before we left today? I thought I read that somewhere. I asked the proctor and she looked like I just asked her for fellatio!!!!!!
Pretty easy test -- but of course there is always a moron -- 1 guy object to no beverages in the classrooom he stated going to the water fountain would take away from his test time. Then of course the usual no pencils, cell phones going off.......etc
well if you thought this test was easy you must be a genius. It was not too difficult but not easy. How about the most likely and least likely? It was easy to pick out the least but I thought the other options were generally similar choices. You should keep your mouth shut because someone might just fail this test but the only moron is you. And God forbid you make lieutenant the rest of us morons would hate to work for you.
ass----. and no I am not a merit Sgt.
Yeah, yeah i passed that s.h.i.t. like a muthafucka. Im straight now!!! Wou, wou, wou. Made Saaargent in 6 and gonna make Lietenant in 8 BET. As long as the juice is around its all grape pop to me Baby!!!
If you think that test was easy you're an idiot. Many of the questions came down to two answers...and it was a tough choice between them.
What was the answer to the question about the correct charge for the DUI school bus driver that gets into an accident while driving the school bus with kids on it. After looking through the 7 pages of reference material on that one question I could not even see straignt.
on a different note.....anyone hear about the new investigation into the alleged SOS officers stealing money from the baby of own of our own fallen officer? RIP P.O. Hurley
Tribune had story yesterday....If they stole money that we donated for the baby, then they deserve to rot in prison!
Hey, State Troop here,... Your site is looking good! Keep up the good work, I'll always get your back!
How much did da furor pay the scumtimes to print this??? What a crock this city is.
"For some reason, you just like some people. And I just think Daley truly loves his job. I think he gives it 110 percent. ... Underlying everything else, I do think he tries to do what is best for the city."
I agree he loves his job because he gets to screw over as many city of Chicago employees. Thats what makes him feel big.
More than half of Chicagoans think he should run again and one out of five think he should not, the poll found.
Where do they find these stupid people?
'Dictator' or unifier?
And despite the high marks voters give Daley -- nearly seven out of 10 have a favorable opinion -- there is a well of discontent out there.
He is our modern day Hitler,hussein,Napolean stop me at anytime.
Lets see the picture
EASY LIKE ALL FIRST TESTS...TO GET THE MERIT BABYS IN.
They must have know Shakman et al. might question everyone passing with a score of 50% this time, so they really dummied up this test. Suddenly every Sgt.just got a lot smater. This croooked city makes me sick. God forbid they couldn't not promote the "merit" geniuses again.
I am really thinking about getting a class action lawsuit together re: 35th. street study groups. I don't even care if it goes beyond the discovery process of who is invited. It is a fact that it can proven that the number of people promoted from certain small units is a ststistical impossibility. This shit has got ot stop. This city willingly sacrifices the morale of 95% of the department to take care of the chosen ones.
If you think about it for a minute, the test seem designed to help those who didn't study and 'hurt' those that did. For a lot of the Handle the Situation questions and the Most Likely/Least Likely questions, the question came down to two reasonable responses. 50/50. For every 'Right' answer based on the senior subject matter experts’ opinion, the other answer was just as correct. In addition, there were relatively few questions regarding material that you could have studied, e.g. How long can you keep a 11y.o. in secure custody.
The net effect of these types of questions and answers is to create a large group of test takers with average scores. Thus, the department can pass most everyone and get on to the business of meritorious promotions.
Personally, I prefer the old(current for state government) system where you could write a check to the alderman’s daughter for her birthday and surprise, surprise…you’ve been promoted.
Good Luck to all who took the exam and hopefully we don't get a GOOFY one in our district . . . . we ought to pray for that and need all the luck we can get.
Anonymous said...
What was the answer to the question about the correct charge for the DUI school bus driver that gets into an accident while driving the school bus with kids on it. After looking through the 7 pages of reference material on that one question I could not even see straignt.
9/17/2006 09:22:26 AM
hahahhahahahahahah
was that reallly a question?
people promoted from certain small units is a ststistical impossibility. This shit has got ot stop. This city willingly sacrifices the morale of 95% of the department to take care of the chosen ones.
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To: He is our modern day Hitler, Hussein, Napoleon stop me at anytime.
9/17/2006 11:17:05 AM
Right, Richie has the same type of personality flaw, that of Malignant Narcissism. That is what drove all the infamous dictators.
In another country or in another time Richie would be ordering murdering purges like Stalin. What keeps him in check is a Catholic education, a free press guaranteed by the First Amendment of the Constitution and an armed populous guaranteed by the
Second Amendment.
We have to be willing to vote him out, and if we can get rid of him, we can get rid of anyone. Make the politicians FEAR US.
Just a P.O. who didnt obviously take the test, but the DUI answer is AGG DUI. Not sure what the specific choices were though, if someone lets me know, Ill post the correct answer.
Off topic...
Bad accident at 111/Talman. Involving CFD ambulance, 022 sqaud and a striking vehicle. CFD paramedic hurt pretty bad dont know the conditon but hear its pretty bad. A copper was hurt as well. It was during a prisoner transport from the 022 lockup to a hospital. Of course the bad guy was ok.
The correct answer is Agg DUI. The choices were DUI, DUI and reckless conduct, and Agg DUI. The charge was in the statute, but you really had to look for it.
As for the difficulty of the test, it was somewhat challenging, but not all that difficult if you read anything or do some police work. Some of the questions were off the wall, not even the Lt's I asked knew the answer. This is the type of thing you get when you have all pencil pushers making up the test (you know who you are.)
As for clout, it has been and always will be king. I would love to see a class action challenging the last Lt. exam. The statistical analysis alone would be enough to sink them. It has been said that the top two scores were from the last test were by an ex-chief's (now at aviation) administrative Sgt's, both who are clout heavy, both who moved almost immediately into nice cushy spots, both of whom have never missed the first class of a promotion that they were eligible for. Suspicious? You tell me. Its not like the ex-chief was a subject matter expert for that test or had access to what was going to be on it, or did he? Even if he did, I am sure there is no way he would have let his Admin. Sgt's in on the deal, would he?
The fix is in ladies and gentlemen. The first 30% goes to the mayor and aldermen. The next 30% goes to the bosses who pick the people who will be "in the know." The scraps are left for the rest of us stiffs. Its by a longshot anyone makes it legit.
And people wonder why morale is so low.
Anonymous said...
The City could save a ton of money, improve morale and the quality of supervision by taking a tougher stance on the promotions. The test doesn't necessarily need to be harder although the "trick" questions should be eliminated, but the minimum score needed to pass should be fixed at 70% thereby giving people a reason to study for the exam and reducing the number who go on to Part II.
The position of Lt. is probably the highest line position that most officers can hope to obtain without clout. Its not like being advanced in high school from sophomore to junior.
Lt's as Watch Commanders, Acting Commanders, Unit CO's and District Commanders (not to mention all of the exempt positions now held by Lt's) hold the lives and careers of the majority of the officers on this job in their care and control.
Incompetent Lt's can easily destroy those very lives and careers through poor management skills and poor judgment. A superior Lt., isn't necessarily a superior field officer, nor need he or she be. They should, however, be superior in their understanding of Dept Rules & Regs, the civil law and the criminal law. They don't need a law degree but they do need to understand the limits of what we a police officers can do and they do need to know when to ask questions. This requires the ability to read and to digest information, both within and without the Dept.
The City's excuse that it needs to promote on "merit" officers who are poor test takers (but who have Master's Degrees from Podunk Univ.) is without "merit". Anybody who has graduated college or obtained an advanced degree knows (or, should know) how to read, write and chew gum, without help.
The problem with this position (mine) is that, in the past, the City has been sued on the basis that the tests were discriminatory as blacks and other minorities including women, suffered "disparate impact", i.e., the number passing was not representative of their numbers within the Department or within the City. Therefore, the test was substantially "dumbed down" and everyone allowed to pass. The rest is history. . .
Posted elsewhere but sure seems to apply here. . . Good luck to everyone.
Does anyone have word on how long it takes to get the results and when the second part of the test will be?
I thought the test sucked. When they give you two very close answers their objective is not to test what you know or how good is your judgment, but rather, how good are your contacts with the senior subject matter experts.
As an example, the sample question about what to do when sergeant A comes to you with a list of complaints about the actions of sergeant B. Their "correct response" was to meet with both sergeants separately and determine the scope of the situation. However, the question states that you have already met with sergeant A and that is how you find out about his complaints. To meet with him a second time to find out the same information only makes sense if you are on overtime. The better response was to meet with sergeant B and if necessary counsel him about his responsibilities. Now, the only way that you’d have the “correct” response would be if you had an intimate relationship with the senior subject matter expert or if you were in the secret study group with the answers.
relax boys... I hear a tact Sgt. in 15th dist. is sueing because they would not let him get his materials due to the fact that he was on vacation.
That will delay any process. Sound familiar Mike???
QUESTION NUMBER ONE!
When you don't have a clue as to how to handle a situation, you
A...Ask your clout
B...Take time due
C...Disappear from the scene
D...Call the Det. Area like everyone else.
ANSWER D.
for 0728 pm, I think the original answer was correct. You meet with Sgt B and resolve the problem and return to sgt A and meet with him and tell him what you down and if this didn't work out consul sgt b.
Why can't you just stop complaining about the merit? This is Chicago!!!!
The city used to post separate lists of who was promoted meritoriously and who made it off the list. Maybe the clout babies got their asses handed to them one too many times. Or, maybe they got their balls busted too much and that's why they're fucking useless. Why can't we split the list again??? If the department is so proud of those that they make meritoriously, announce them to the world. Fuck, let's have a party for them if they're that fucking wonderful!!! Not too hard to figure out why they're not above board.
SCC: With the results from the Sergeant test due out soon, I make a motion that those who score in the top 500 send you their results. As the comments are now moderated, once the list is compiled, you can either post it or use it as a reference and when a promotion is made, we can ALL KNOW who the "chosen" are. Just a thought for you to ponder.
p.s. For the poster who mentioned the two administrative Sergeants that worked for a certain Chief, they were 1 & 6 on Lt. list and different classes for Sgt. Good info, just off a little though.
Who paid the $450 for BERNSTEIN'S class as well as the $250 for Robert's group?
Are any of you thinking of shelling out that much again for part 2?? In my opinion, part 2 is almost like buying a raffle ticket... its made that way by the city to get a wide range of candidates including minorities. However groups like the one Pat Hill runs will still sue and say the test was unfair to minorities.
If you ask me your wasting your money on study groups for part 2.
Does Northside have any say on this????
Go WHITE SOX!!
The problem with this position (mine) is that, in the past, the City has been sued on the basis that the tests were discriminatory as blacks and other minorities including women, suffered "disparate impact", i.e., the number passing was not representative of their numbers within the Department or within the City. Therefore, the test was substantially "dumbed down" and everyone allowed to pass. The rest is history. . .
boy sounds like CPS....
Freedom of information act request to release merit/score should work.
If someone knows how to file one they can try it out on any of the current lists that are out. It would be interesting
Everything is done in secret
Correct answers are never provided.
Tests that should be graded in minutes by scoring machines take years to finally do
Oral boards are fixed with passwords like "notify the W/C" and " a writing instrument and a clean sheet of paper"
Race norming, clout and merit promotions. families that just seem to do well on police exams.
Every Sergeant who worked security at Wrigley Field magically got promoted
They knock the wind right out of your sails.
Its a disgrace and doesnt look like it will change anytime soon
Then, when incompetents leading the charge, lawsuits come pouring in
They plant weeds in the garden amd then wonder where the tomatoes are
They deserve what they get. Im glad its in the rear view mirror for me
I feel for the hard working dedicated officers out there who try to do a righteous job everyday
i thought the test was fair and not hard much beyond the most likely/least likely questions. Of course now I have to take part 2 with no clout and possibly no chance at all to get promoted. I see part 2 as being,"Sit down Sgt. Lets see, no one called for you so balance this cup of coffee on your hardon and dance. If you spill one drop you are gone. Now dance." And of course for those who have a call, "Sit down Sgt. Lets see, oh this exempt called for you. Drink this coffee. Good job, welcome to LT."
Considering that we paid for these exams, are we not entitled to get complete results back with our grades.
Seems to make sense tome.
By the way, the Lt. who worked for the Chief, is that C K. His dad was an excempt. On the surface, he is a nice enough guy, no idiot, but he is in love with himself. Plus, the crap he pulled about 2-3 years ago. He must have had a death wish.
Do Not Trust Him. He is a PUNK
9:54 PM
Ask Peter "JUDAS" Karl. He knows all about it.
3:02 AM
Well-stated. I particularly identified with your "weeds/tomatoes" metaphor.
Since the Daley-orchestrated cover-up of ExamScam, rest assured that these cocksuckers will meticulously conceal a damning paper trail.
We had the opportunity to blow the rigged and corrupt promotional and personnel policies to Kingdom Come. However, "Judas Iscariot" abruptly switched sides to draw millions from City coffers.
"By the way, the Lt. who worked for the Chief, is that C K. His dad was an excempt. On the surface, he is a nice enough guy, no idiot, but he is in love with himself. Plus, the crap he pulled about 2-3 years ago. He must have had a death wish.
Do Not Trust Him. He is a PUNK"
What crap? Inquiring minds want to know.
9/18
7:44am
His dad was a Lt. not an exampt. Sounds like you are just another know nothing jealous asshole cop to me. He is a good guy who has a real Masters degree and tests very well. You on the other hand are the typical big mouth jag off who can't fucking read or write to save your life but you can sit here and talk shit and never understand why you can't pass a fucking test. Are you even a Sgt. who took the test, if not then shut your fucking mouth before you come around talking shit. So fuck you I worked with him as a P.O. and I would trust him and go through a door with him anytime. He has friends on this job so deal with it asshole. You fucking people amaze me. Yeah meritorious is bullshit but somebody has to be #1 on a written test why does it always have to be some conspiracy theory? Ever stop to think that maybe, just maybe some guys actually read and study the material instead of shooting off their big mouths in the gin mill? Who's the PUNK here? Bet you don't have the balls to got to C.K. and talk shit to his face. That's all that is on this fucking board a bunch of pussy cry baby coppers.
C.A.P.S. WORKS!
(Would I lie?)
Pat Hill is running a study group....The Pat Hill of 2nd district fame....I thought she was fired......... what a piece of shit.......
Lt. CK is a really good guy, his dad was an exempt, retired as the Commander of Bomb and Arson.
To 12:44:39
Easy Lt., don't get your undies in a bunch. C K may be some great guy and a hero and have a real master's degree, blah, blah, blah. But don't give me the BS for a minute that the process is legitimate. In fact, you can't even use the word legitimate and a certain ex-chiefs name in the same sentence. If its all on the up and up, lets see tranparancy in testing. Lets see whos who. It'll never happen, because then they cannot manipulate the promotions. The powers that be believe they are pulling the wool over our eyes and we are powerless to stop them. Do you want to know when they are going to make the next class of Lt's? Just watch the Admin. Sgts. on the fifth floor (especially the Sup's office). When you see these Sgt's return to thier original units or abruptly leave downtown for no reason, a class will be announced usually within a month. That way it does not appear that all of the merit picks are coming from the same place.
Another CPD moale booster!
Good luck on the test!
The Lt C.K. I'm talking about at 12:44pm his father was a Lt for HBT who handled hostage negotiations.
To 01:03... Count me in on the lawsuit...But must include both Sgt. and Lt. test. It cant be legal for a person in a Command position (E.V) to give a study group where only a SELECT few are allowed in and given certain study material. Everyone talks the talk know its time to act. SCC take a poll and see how many would be interested. Lets get a good labor attorney and see what happens...I'm tired of getting F--ked
When will the Feds look into the corrupt leadership of this police department and their self serving manipulation of test scores and clout merit promotions? Why has it been nearly 3 months and still no posting of Sgt. test scores? We all know why?
Does the Pat in Pat Hill stand for Patrice?
regarding Pat Hill
I used to laugh that there was a guy from 017 who used to run a study group for Sgts class. {Chester H}
The only problem was that he was a PO for his entire career
Not that the bosses that run or ran the other classes knew their asses from a hole in the ground because they didnt and dont
Acosta for example used to run one.
Ive had the pleasure of engaging in conversation with Pat Hill.
It consisted of her spewing hate for whitey and for America. She's a moron.
I was under the impression that Officer Hill was fired for refusing to submit to a random drug test or a dept ordered physical exam
Does anyone know if she remains on the payrol?
Hey 9:47. "it can't be legal for a member in a Command position to give a study group?" Are you F#@$%^& high? Legal? Tell me exactly where that City ordinance, State or Federal Statute is that prohibits study groups of CPD Command members by invite, thus making it illegal. I have not been invited to participate in any of these study groups, yet I'm not going to whine about their so called "Legality," get a freakin life bitch!
The Lt C.K. I'm talking about at 12:44pm his father was a Lt for HBT who handled hostage negotiations.
Yes one and the same, he was made the Commander of B/A and retired from there.
Acosta is a turd. That being said, a Lt. study group he ran some years ago, in which THEN Cmdr. Rick Gurerrero actually ran the thing, went rather well. We met at a restaurant that is near the academy, in one of their private party rooms, weekly. It taxed our brains, and, believe it or not, I actually got promoted to Lt. from that exam. Not by merit, either. Funny, when I think about how my career has gone, and what has happened to the two of them.
Shit happens.....
Hey 12:24... Sorich didnt think it was illegal to manipulate test scoring so the city bosses and politicians could get there people hired and promoted. A jury thought differently. Now we know a group of bosses make up the questions for the test or at least approve them. This same group has their people in this study group. Does this group have inside info that the rest of us dont have. Even if its as simple as weeding out the nonsense that takes months to read and given the right material to study. The material that is actually on the test. Why do these people always do so well. If they are just smarter then the rest of us then I apologize. Where did they rank in their academy class or how did they do on the entrance exam. Probably the only tests that are somewhat legit. Did they score in the top 2-3 percent. But if they are given any type of inside info that isnt privy to the rest of us then I think this group is manipulating the test scores for the Select few. And illegal. Let a jury decide.
Whose the idiot who thinks that an Exempt can't run a class for a hand-picked chosen few? Just what do you think Charlie Roberts was doing for years? You needed the secret handshake to get in back in the day. If Cline wanted to privately tutor his office staff after hours there's not a damn thing (other than the perception of wrongdoing) that would prevent it! It's not against the law, in violation of any Dept. Rule or Reg (even if done on Dept. property)as long as the test takers on on their off-duty hours; Nor, surprise, does it violate anybody's civil rights!!!!!
Mr. know-it-all should STFU and spend his time studying for the exam rather than pretending that he has a clue!!!!!!!
......And in the discovey process we shall find out how many of those in the top 100 work at 35th. street within a year of TAKING the test. Which study group they attended and the connection of the group to subject matter experts. Yes, we know that the group was quickly moved when people started complaining about the EV group. The climate is right for the media to eat this story up
there are a couple of sgt's we hope make lt. so they be promoted and stop harrassing the people around them. it's really getting old. GOOD LUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TEST SCORES: DO I HAVE THIS RIGHT? MY LIL KIDS NEEDED A 70 TO PASS FROM 1ST TO 2ND GRADE BUT MY FUTURE "SUPERVISOR" ONLY NEED TO KNOW 50% OF HIS JOB TO GET PROMOTED?
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