Suburban Police Chase - Car Flips
Anyone else think that most of the Department brass woke up, saw this story, and immediately decided that there will never be another police chase whenever they're near a radio?
Yeah, us too.
Yeah, us too.
Labels: crime, department issues
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
65 Comments:
I know Im going to get a few "go fuck myselfs" and a few "go back to bed old man"s BUT
There is no safe way to stop a fleeing vehicle using another vehicle. Especially in an urban environment
Very often, innocents are seriously injured on these chases, a couple of very nice young people were killed Atually one killed and one fucked up badly in Buffalo Grove last year when some shit heads in a U-Haul hit them broadside at about 90mph as they were fleeing a theft from Gurnee Ill
Sometimes the operator of the squad gets fucked up too Did they show you the pics of the two guys at from 001 Van Buren and Morgan on New Years Day at 0400 in about 1973? They broadsided a fruit truck and their brains were everywhere but in their skulls
More recently two south side coppers one from 004 or 003 and one from 005 or 022 were seiuosly hurt in squad accidents.
One is now in a wheel chair first name Cedric
The other had a Dutch type name Van something Hes also fucked up.
Okay now call me jagballs, asshole old man etc
The idea not to cause more harm than has already been caused.
So 520 was right and so are the General Orders
Sorry but chases are very very dangerous
In 4 more days I will start my second year of retirement. I may know a little bit of where I speak
Drive carefully
OHHH OHHH get your pen ready Charlie "Clueless" Williams. I Guess these coppers also received your memo, otherwise they might of been driving around doing nothing Send us another great memo you jackass!!!
OFF TOPIC, BUT :
Speaking of the burbs, that BURBSCOP
blog, which I linked off this site (thanks SCC)looks like its going to be a great site, well put together.
Just from what Ive read so far, looks like the jagoff Schamburg brass is going to build an embassy next to 35/Michigan!!!!
Looks like Shore Galleries is going out of business soon. The shelves there are empty of guns. Word is Cook County is putting a gun store ban in effect. Guess you guys got to go to Dupage or Kane County to buy weapons or supplies.
The only way to stop a chase is not to chase period. They only stop when the car crashes, they stop, or run out of gas. I had a friend involved in a pursuit in orange county where they are more liberal in their policy. The car he was chasing crashed into another car and killed a young family of 4. He still has trouble sleeping some nights 4 years later. It is not worth it, play a video game if you want some thrills.
I will comment on your post oldtimer. No I'm not going to give you a hard time. I fully understand your point. The problem is, crime must never be tolerated in any form.
Law enforecement as a whole should be working on technology that can stop fleeing vehicles without ramming them. I know we have a few things but not enough.
Instead of making blanket statements that no one is going to be chased. Police along with the States Attorneys Office and be it the Mayor or Governor should come out with a policy that protects the victims of crime and the police/government. We can't cave into crime. The blame needs to laid where it is. That is with the criminal. No lawsuits for a lawful chase!!! Automatic Felonys for fleeing and eluding the police and no supervision, probation, or any other ill conceived pc crap.
We accept that soldiers will die when we go to war. We never accept that there is a war being fought every day in our streets. Its a war against crime. We are losing. No chasing is part of that. You can't make an omlete without breaking a few eggs. People are going die. We need to grow up as a society and look at the big picture. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or individual.
FYI don't click on the secondcity rookie link from dispatcher blog, its a virus. Luckily my puter spotted it and destroyed it.
Using the no chase logic: We see a thug shoot a policeman. He runs, we run after him. He gets to his car and speeds off. End of chase?
My ass!
Our job is to capture the bad guy, even if it meens chasing to the ends of the earth. They break a few laws or someone gets hurt in the process then they get charged with an additional crime. Is it worth an innocent life...no, but that isn't our choice. The law say's we chase, company rules say we don't. I don't think being soft on these assholes is the answer. However, we shouldn't drive these squadcars like we are superman either, thats where we get hurt.
Couldn't agree with you more, 12:25! Now they can tell both of us where to get off.
The problem with a police chase is that it's a CHASE! Everyone is behind the offender, taking every dangerous move they make. Take a look at all the chases in CA, you've got a dozen cars behind and no one in front to block or end it.
The safest way is to cut off the streets and block the person in. But that would require knowledge and co-ordination by the 911 center and dispatchers who know the streets, etc. When was the last time "Squad" knew the district?
You can't let them run everytime, but you also can't endanger the citizen and yourself.
I'm in my 7th year of retirement, now I've had my coffee, read my paper, checked the blog, and I'm going to take a nap!
Off topic: What happened with the off duty copper that was grabbed yesterday after marching in the downtown parade for being intoxicated in uniform? Heard the fighting 001st grabbed him and made him blow! Happy St. Patty's day!!!!
I hear you, retiree. Sad, but true. The accident which crippled the young tact officer occurred in 004. Very tragic, even moreso to be left in his condition by another officer (in that case, a Sgt.). I'm sure not a day goes by whereby both men wish they had been somewhere else.
Lot so people criticize supervisors who call off chases. But I have never seen anyone ever step up at a bad one and say, "Boss, I take full responsibility for this mess. It's on me." Everyone should think about that when they criticize anyone for calling off a chase. Is it worth your home? is it worth your job? Is it worth YOUR life?
the officers hurt in 004 were not chashing a vehicle they were going to help an officer calling for more cars, should they just have walked there.
The idea not to cause more harm than has already been caused.
So 520 was right and so are the General Orders
Sorry but chases are very very dangerous
In 4 more days I will start my second year of retirement. I may know a little bit of where I speak
Congrads on the retirement but in this case you are wrong. I agree most chases aren't worth it considering their inherit danger but in this case and many others like it, a homicide offender, in the described vehicle, matching plate was being pursued, he showed no signs of stopping, he had just killed one, wouldn't stop for the police and would surely kill again, he and everyone like him needs to be stopped. The order is bullshit, you can chase someone who is possibly dui and could hurt others but not a murderer who already has killed someone? come on, you aren't that far removed from this job already are you?
sadly this won't change, the responsibility for the event never falls on the offender, it's always on us. "If you weren't chasing him he wouldn't have run,' well, if he had stopped like he is lawfully suppose to there would be no chase; we also know that the lawyers can't sue them becasue they have nothing, the city has big coffers so they go after us....
520 terminates a chase, the fleeing vehicle was suspected in a homicide....
Was 520 following the GO's?
Was the pursuing dept vehicle doing the balancing test?
Did that dept vehicle follow the GO's?
How did the pursuing dept member call it out on the air?
MORE IMPORTANTLY
WAS THE VICTIM OF THE HOMICIDE A POLICE OFFICER OR A POLICE OFFICER'S FAMILY MEMBER or WAS HE A SHITBAG,GANGBANGING, DOPE DEALER WITH A AN IR SHEET LONGER THAN 5 PAGES????
If you are going to chase a car and you know it wil be terminated, keep that chase between you, your partner, and the jag off you are chasing!! Dont bother anyone else with it and dont get the supervisors involved. I say dont
get them involved becasue then you are going to trash talk them on this blog for following the rules.
YOU GONNA CHASE, STAY OFF THE FUCKING AIR
as a matter of fact
ALWAYS STAY OFF THE AIR, IT WONT JAM YOU UP DOWN THE ROAD.
TO THE RETIRED CPD WHO SAYS THERE ARE NO SAFE CHASES I COULD NOT AGREE WITH YOU MORE. THERE ARE NOT AND UNLIKE LAPD PHOENIX AZ. WE DO NOT HAVE A HELICOPTER BUT WE DO HAVE BOSSES THAT WILL F-CK OVER IN A HEART BEAT. I WORK IN A WEST SIDE DISTRICT AND AS A TRAFFIC CAR, I HAD TO HANDLE A FEW CAR CHASES. LUCKILY NO SERIOUS ACCIDENT AND WE CAUGHT THE SHIT HEAD AND HE WAS CHARGED WITH FELONY AGGRAVATED FLEEING AND ELUDING, AND YES HIS CAR WAS IMPOUNDED,I WILL NEVER FAULT ANY COP THAT CHASES AND I WILL ALWAYS ASSIST THAT P.O. AND HANDLE THE ACCIDENT, BUT I HAVE AGREE THAT 520 WAS CORRECT AND IF ANYTHING HE WAS LOOKING OUT FOR THE BEST INTEREST OF THE PUBLIC AND THE OFFICERS. MAY GOD BLESS YOU STAY SAFE, AND UNTILL THERE IS JUSTICE WE MUST NEVER ALLOW PEACE.
Say what you want about LS in 008. At least he is committed to his wife-ES, family and job. Unlike in 009, where you have a DC trying to lay pipe to his female officers.
Roy needs to leave 009. He's screwing up everything he touches. Perhaps the bad p@#%y he's been hitting is clouding his judgment?
Rumor on days is that he is setting his sights on an 008 exempt's relative working 3rd in 009? Roy the rabbit...
DID YOU KNOW THAT IF AN OFFICERS JUMPS OVER A FENCE HE MAY GET HURT OR IF HE TRIES TO PUT CUFFS ON A 300 POUND STERIOD FREAK. YOU CAN GET HURT JUMPIMG IN WATER TO SAVE A DUMB ASS WHO IS DROWNING OR STANDING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREETS WAVING YOUR ARMS PRETENDING YOU CAN STOP A 3 TON TRUCK. PEOPLE GET HURT WHEN YOU FIRE YOUR WEAPON A FLEEING FELONS BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO SENSE TO DUCK. PEOPLE ALSO GET HURT WHEN YOU SPRAY PEPPER SPRAY AND THE IDIOT THINK ITS A TERRORIST PLOT TO STOP HOMIE FROM GETTING HIS "JUKE" ON.
THE ONLY WAY NOT TO GET HURT IS
NOTHING!!!
TO: 12:25 am
Perhaps 28 years ago I would have told you to go fuck yourself. NOT NOW THOUGH. I totally respect where your coming from and I Prey that the younger membership starts to listen to us elder officers and wise up.
It's like this guys, the shithead does his "job" being a shithead and part of his job is to flee. Our job is to capture the shithead. Somedays the shithead doe's his job better than we do ours. Who cares: Let 'em go! Your family and kids await your arrival at home. The shithead will be caught another day in the DOC and when that happens, that day we did our job better than he did his.
I agree. We need to weigh the purpose
I hope the two assholes in that car suffer a painful and miserable death
hey we can send kozaritz in there now that he is gainfully unemployed... he knows how to fuck things up.
tom d. good move!!
To 3/18/2007 12:25:00 AM,
Dear Policewoman:
You argue like an asshole. For every tragic ending caused by the fleeing criminal, ten thousand chases result in little more than the arrest of an offender, occasional property damage, and monor injury to a criminal. The mothers clubs, fruits, merit bosses and the Bridgeport village idiot would applaude your half-truths. Fuck you and go back to your CAPS office and leave police work to the men.
This is the retiree.
First I agree that we just cant let criminals get in their car and be off the hook.
Unfortunately though, until we figure out a way to stop speeding cars safely it may just be the only choice.
The damage that the offender did has been done,no sense compounding it by injuring or killing innocents or police officers.
I also know that war has casualties but usually they are enlistees who knew what they were signing up for.
Not familys of 4 or high school kids or seniors on their way to Europe.
By the way I also knew that Cedric was going to a 10-1. I donated to him twice, not once.
Ill tell you two chase stories I witnessed
The first was two shit heads robbed a liquor store on Addison near Cubs Park
They were spotted S/B on Ashland at Waveland
When the officer hit the Mars lights these assholes mashed the gas pedal and kept it mashed until they t boned a couple who had just had a 50th anniversary and were headed to Italy for a second honeymoon in a few days. Instead, they wound up in the Morgue.
The second one was a dope deal gone bad that went south on the Outer Drive from Diversey, through 018 to LaSalle and and then eventually the wrong way on the W/B JFK at Washington.
When I got there, the crash killed the offenders (big deal) AND a guy coming home from a third watch factory job.
The flames from both cars were about 25 feet high. And gas was leaking and on fire all over the place No one could be saved.
There are many other stories like this including the pregnant girl hit at Ontario St or Huron by the purse snatchers fleeing in 018 a few years ago
The Sgts involved would have been wise to take a hint from 520 of the other day.
Because this situation, aggravated by the OERMC audio tapes are going to cost us all a few dollars
Plus the loss of innocent life for which theres no dolar amount
Sorry guys I appreciate your aggressiveness It just aint worth it
One more thing about chases. Then Ive got to enjoy my retirement
My feelings are based on the fact that making the offender stop when he doesnt want to stop is the hard part
Im not for allowing people to get away simply because they have access to an automobile
Its just that I cant figure out how to SAFELY stop a car when the driver doesnt want to stop especially in an urban environement
I will thank you all for not telling me to go fuck myself or calling me an old dried up fuck
Be Careful out there
LET SEE GET INVOLVED IN A CAR CHASE WHERE OFFENDER PROBABLY MURDERED A PROMINENT MEMBER OF SOCIETY (NOTE SARCASIM) WHERE THERE IS A GOOD CHANCE I MAY BE INJURED OR KILLED AND IF I DONT CHASE IN ACCORDANCE TO PROTOCOL I MAY BE DISIPLINED OR FIRED AND WILL NOT BE ABLE TO PROVIDE FOR MY FAMILY OR JUST LET HIM GO AND SURVIVE AND BE ABLE TO PROVIDE FOR MY FAMILY HMMMMMM TOUGH CHOICE
HEY GUYS MAKE SURE YOU READ THAT CHASE POLICY TO PROTECT YOURSELF IT STATES THAT IF YOU OR THERE IS AN AUTOACCIDENT AS RESULT OF CHASE IT IS TO BE TERMINATED, YOU OR OFFENDERS VEHICLE SIDESWIPING A PARKED CARS MIRROR CONSTITUTES A ACCIDENT IF YOU CONTINUE AND THERE IS AN INJURY THAT COULD COST YOU YOU JOB, NOT ADVOCATING POLICY JUST A REMINDER YOU AND YOUR FAMILY COME FIRST
Anonymous said...
Say what you want about LS in 008. At least he is committed to his wife-ES, family and job. Unlike in 009, where you have a DC trying to lay pipe to his female officers.
Roy needs to leave 009. He's screwing up everything he touches. Perhaps the bad p@#%y he's been hitting is clouding his judgment?
Rumor on days is that he is setting his sights on an 008 exempt's relative working 3rd in 009? Roy the rabbit...
3/18/2007 03:31:00 PM
Due get over it is he messing with your girl or something? Most of the bosses are dogs. Just so happens that the higher you go the more the ladies want to be with the top dog. Look at E V at baby s.o.s. He cant wait until it gets warm and his harem of office dollies start wearing them low cut shirts..
The subject of chases will get more interesting when all patrol division marked vehicles get video camera which activate when the blue lights go on. Actually, they are always recording but do so in a loop, saving a minute or so before the lights go on.
Better be right on then because your every move will be recorded and scrutinized umpteen times.
In over 20 years I have seen many chases go bad and far fewer go right. For what? A thief? A red light? suspended license?
If a PO is killed or citizen is shot than all bets are off, go after them, no doubt.
Other than that, get them on camera and back off. There will soon be traffic cameras throughout the city and very few will escape them totally. Let the cameras and radios do the chasing,
Don't get hurt in stuid car chases over bullshit.
I tried some years back to get on the Eisenhower but it was totally shut down from the west side to around Rush Medical Center and Cook County Hopital while a PO was extracated from a wrecked squad.
Except for homicides fuck all chases.
Oh, I am not a boss or supervisor. The sight of a PO's blood is not very nice whether caused by gunfire, car wreck, knife, punch etc.
I also learned something else along the way, no matter the color of the wrapper, we all bleed red when punctured. We need to get real about treating each other as if we were all one color: BLUE!
Because we are.
An old timer once told me when he stopped a chase in 014 on his own, "we'll get him tomorrow."
Now I am an old timer and I understand exactly what he was saying.
The jagoff running away is not racing to his job at the law firm, he will cross paths with some other officers soon enough, that is how they live, some day we beat them, other days they beat us. They always get caught for something eventually.
Do your job and don't get hurt.
Dear 3/18/2007 09:30.00
You my friend sound like one of the two year rookies that should not have been hired. Listen to yourself before you write stupid shit. People are going to die. I hope its not my wife and kids that die when you are going after a fleeing vehicle with some dope in the car. And know you statistics, 10 out of 10 fleeing vehicles slow down when the police are out of sight. Im not saying dont go after the real bad guy shooting out of the car or kidnaping someone but you cant risk lives over dumb shit, like that sergeant in 001 who got the pregnant woman killed over a wallet with a few dollars in it. Ill bet theres not a day that goes by he dosent regret that poor judgement.
Unless a PO is hurt, don't even bother chasing.
You know the minute the shitbag hits and kills someone, the buck gets passed to you.
You think the white shirts are going to stick up for you? Fuck no, they are going to run for cover and you will be the one in civil and possibly criminal court.
Do you 8, handle your jobs and COVER YOUR ASS. No more, no less.
This city has been ghetto and will CONTINUE to be ghetto no matter how hard you bust your ass. Look out for yourself and your family, get your pension and move out!
HEY GUYS MAKE SURE YOU READ THAT CHASE POLICY TO PROTECT YOURSELF IT STATES THAT IF YOU OR THERE IS AN AUTOACCIDENT AS RESULT OF CHASE IT IS TO BE TERMINATED, YOU OR OFFENDERS VEHICLE SIDESWIPING A PARKED CARS MIRROR CONSTITUTES A ACCIDENT IF YOU CONTINUE AND THERE IS AN INJURY THAT COULD COST YOU YOU JOB, NOT ADVOCATING POLICY JUST A REMINDER YOU AND YOUR FAMILY COME FIRST
3/18/2007 07:49:00 PM
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Sorry to tell you that was changed. You do not have to stop for an accident unless it is a personal injury accident. A sideswipe that is property damage only does not count. You can keep going. It was changed a couple of years ago. Believe it or not the new order is actually LESS restrictive then the order before it.
From one old vet to another....
I was there when Tom & Bill were killed and later participated as an Honor Guard at their wake.
[Details reprinted below]
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Patrolmen Thomas A. Wodarczyk and William S. Bodnar, Jr. , assigned to squad car 107 in the Central District died when their car rammed a produce truck at Van Buren and Morgan Streets while they were chasing a stolen vehicle.
Patrolmen Wodarczyk and Bodnar began the pursuit at 5:40 a.m., westbound on Van Buren from State. For 3 minutes and 20 seconds, squad 107 was reporting on the progress of the chase and relaying the license number of the car being pursued. Patrolman Bodnar was driving as Patrolman Wodarczyk updated the dispatch center. The radio of squad 107 went silent. At 5:43 a.m., another officer called in for emergency equipment to be sent to Van Buren and Morgan. The policemen were pronounced dead a short time later.
The truck driver was northbound on Morgan Street, proceeding through the green light. His view of the oncoming squad car was partially blocked by an eight-story building on the southeast corner of the intersection. The stolen vehicle was found abandoned. Officer Wodarczyk was survived by his wife and three children.
Related Line of Duty Deaths Police Officer William S. Bodnar Jr.
Chicago Police Department, IL
EOW: Monday, April 8, 1974
Cause of Death: Vehicle pursuit
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First of all, I object even to the term POLICE chase.
The POLICE did not 'initiate' it, the fool did!
Newpaper accounts SHOULD read,....."Fleeing felon, reckless driver etc. "kills two innocent people or crashes into school bus etc."
But, any slip and fall or personal injury attorney knows you can't get blood from a turnip.
Soooo who are you gonna sue? The shithead that never had a job and 4th generation welfare, or the deep=pockets [I never met a lawsuit I couldn't settle OUT OF COURT] City of Chicago?
As far as my experience with police chases [over 35 years] when you catch them 'without incident' you could be OK.
If there's a crash or personal injury...you're screwed!
Plain and Simple. IF we could predict the future my brothers, I'm sure we wouldn't waste that talent on deciding the outcome of a police chase! I'd grab the Lotto numbers and read the SCC blogsite from my mansion on an island somewhere.
I'm as aggressive as the next officer but on police chases, WHERE ALL THE FACTS ARE NOT KNOWN TO ME, I'd rather blow one off than kill/injure someone and be out there 10-99 on liability.
All I ask is that you take the time to weigh all the circumstances in police chases before you let it run on, be smart and safe and God-willing go home to your family with a clear conscience that you did the best you could.
Stay safe and remember that Thin Blue Line.
OV
“Some days the shit head doe's his job better than we do ours. Who cares: Let 'em go! Your family and kids await your arrival at home”. - Is this the future of our Department? It makes me sick to hear this from my fellow brothers in blue. I have a better idea. Let’s tell our boys and girls that are overseas fighting for our freedom that it’s o.k. to let the bad guy go, there is always another day. Oh wait, sorry it’s too late, your hall family is dead because the same guy you let go earlier just dropped a dirty bomb on your city……. My brothers in blue, same pretends to us. Our families depend on us to keep them safe from harms way. We are the fighting front line on our own soil. I am sure that any Serviceman or a Servicewoman would not be happy to hear that we are giving up on protecting their families while they are away fighting for us and our families. This is our JOB!!!! We have to do what ever is possible to catch the bad guy. Remember there might be no other day. The bad guy knows that when he gets in the car, most likely he will get away. That’s why we continue to see car chases. Same thing with lawsuits, bad guy knows that if he sues for any bullshit reason he will get pay. It’s not our fault, or the Sgt. that called off the chase, it’s the city. Don’t let this stop you from protecting your family. If you want to see your family at home, first you have to do your JOB to make sure that they are alive and protected from all the evil.
Sure, chases are very dangerous but also everything that we do.
PLEASE don’t just give up, just be smart about it. I would like to believe that we are smarted than a criminal. When you get in the chase make sure that you know where you are going, and rest of us should figure out how to cut the offender off. The biggest mistake that we all make is that all of us keep following the lead chase vehicle instead trying to figure out a way to end the chase soon as possible with minimum damage. Few months ago 011th dist. 1st watch was involved in the chase of a known offender who was called the “Xterra Guy”. This guy was chased by multiple agencies on different occasions for months. No one was able to catch him till that morning. The chase originated in downtown and end up in Oak Park. No citizen was heart, no officer was seriously heart, some property damage (in Oak Park) couple slightly damaged squad cars, one squad car cut on fire (pool car, that’s why). Offender was detained, a weapon recovered, offender charged with few X-felonies. All this was possible due to a great team work between 011th dist. Officers and Supervisors. Couple squad cars were following the offender while the rest of the squad cars were able to cut him off in his escape route. Great JOB done because the Officers did what they get paid for and made sure that this guy won’t have another chance to heart anyone. The moral of this story is that we can do our JOB safely only if we want to and are smart about it.
Semper Fi
8:15
Couldn't agree more. Sounds like dude is pissed off because his DC in 009 is getting more pussy than he is?
Get a life fucknut! Be happy you're a man and that you've got a ladies man for a DC. You could have a nasty ghetto rat like CW? Shame on you for whining about the lucky bastard. Yeah, he's lucky.
If female coppers want to give the man his respect by virtue of shagging him, then don't fuckin cock block him!!!!!!
a lot of good discussions here re: chases...so, what's the answer? Should we chase, or not? I mean, everybody can agree, I think, that the police should not be injured, innocent citizens should not be put at risk...should the bad guys be allowed to "get away"?...should it depend on time of day, traffic and weather conditions (I mean, an innocent motorist can get hit anywhere); should a fleeing criminal get life in prison with no parole?....
it's ironic-i keep hearing 'i dont do shit anymore for this dept', but everyone is pissed off about 1 shithead who killed another shithead getting away. like the above comments-unless a po or a good citizen is shot fuck em let em go. it ain't worth it. for those who have time and experience on this job- know most chases go bad. everyone blames the police for the outcomes of the chases. just wait til you're at a table at 30 n. lasalle giving a 3-5 hour deposition to a table full of lawyers explaining every milisecond of the chase -now add video tapes think about it --it aint worth it----think about yourself, your partner, your job, your family, your life .....................
I'M sure the terrorists love our policy and liberal society.
Sometimes a chase is going to be an necessary evil. Most of the time they are not. The shitheads know this.
to 3/18/2007 10:43:00 PM
Pervis the Perv, everything they write about you and talk about you in the halls of 011 are true, stop trying to blow your own horn!
Anyone able to check stats? Im wondering if not chasing may or has led to more carjacking crime...If Im going to shoplift, now im sure as hell not going to run...im gonna swipe some poor yuppies car on the way out of the lot...cant chase me, cant catch me. Maybe Ill wave at the blinkey blue camera as I drive to the burbs to pawn my loot..
Anonymous said...
Using the no chase logic: We see a thug shoot a policeman. He runs, we run after him. He gets to his car and speeds off. End of chase?
My ass!
3/18/2007 09:34:00 AM
NO, the order still lets you chase, you just have to apply the balancing test. With a po shot 10-1, and fleeing felon, we can chase away.
like that sergeant in 001 who got the pregnant woman killed over a wallet with a few dollars in it. Ill bet theres not a day that goes by he dosent regret that poor judgement.
3/18/2007 08:27:00 PM
It’s the Sgts fault now??? I’ve been in a few chases, seen some go good, seen some get lucky, and seen too many go bad. I’ve never seen one that was the Police fault... The bag guy does something wrong, which is his job, we, the police, go and try to get him, as in "doing our job". Be it on foot, on a motorcycle, in a car... Our job is to get the bad guy! Last I checked, there are laws on the book about obeying the Police, not running from the Police, and if something happens while in the commission of the crime (a civilian gets hurt), its the, now get this, its kinda funny: BAD GUYS FAULT! You have been brain washed by the liberal media, and a bunch of nut less bastards into thinking that shit that some bad guy does is now our fault. I knew Van Vectin(sp?), I remember the PPO who got his eye knocked out in a chase, the car that flopped onto the x-pressway on 006, Cedric in 004 and the other officers involved in that accident, I remember the one in 002 where the police had to put the fire out because the Cop was pined in the car (and the minuteman that did very little) and the list goes on, and on, and on. I wonder what it was like when we had horses, and I wonder what it will be like when we get those Hover-car things we've been promised since the 50's, Ill bet it was and will be FUCKED UP! Its called an ACCIDENT for a reason! It wasn’t planned! But to sit here and accept the blame on behalf of the Sgt, or the Police Dept. is, in my opinion; wrong! I know the policy/G.O. on Chases, Dammed if you do, Dammed if you dont, and a thought a pussy if you call it off. We, the police, are slowly being emasculated as it is, and in this society that cant seem to take responsibility for its own actions, why would anyone want to add fuel to the fire?
I'm another retired guy (3 years next month). Back in the '70's, I worked on the tact team in 007. It was a different time. We had a lot of fun and we enjoyed our work. We were able to be the "real police" back then and were able to get away with a lot of things that I wouldn't want to try today, if I were still on the street. Just as an example, it was legal to shoot auto thieves back then. As I said, it was a different time. Times change. If this state had laws like California, that disallows the suing of the police for chases, chases would be O.K. But Illinois will NEVER go along with that, so it's a moot point.
I spent 21 years as a P.O. before I was promoted. Once I was, and was sent back to a district as a supervisor, I had to be the bad guy that terminated chases. It sucked, but it had to be done. That's the way the department went and, as others have said, it's not worth losing your house and your family's well-being to violate the CPD's chase policy. I know that I wouldn't want one of my family members killed by the scumbag that's running, either.
My point is this: before you let your bravado get in front of logic, think about the possible outcomes before you initiate that chase. And, if you decide to initiate a chase AND choose to call it in, please don't bad-mouth the sergeant that's going to terminate it. He's just doing what he's supposed to do. The unwritten rule for sergeants was that, when a chase was called in, you would ask the dispatcher questions like, "Where is this at?", "How fast are they travelling?", "What are they chasing them for?". If, after getting all those questions answered, the chase is still on, it's time to call it off. Again, don't beat up on the sergeant for doing what you know he's supposed to do. If he's any kind of copper, he feels just as bad about it as you do.
Stay safe out there and back each other up.
Wear your seat belt or die by your own hand. If you crash and get ejected oh well, another dumbass got killed.
who cares if they run! I will continue to take my personals get a nice luch read my paper relax maybe a parker if they run wave bye! unless they directly hurt one of us or our families who cares why bother? the general public as a whole gives a shit about any of us and the daley and his command staff all clouted in don't care why should we? I am in the KMA no lawsuits pending no cr's pending working for time 1/2 at airports cha etc nice country thiis AMERICA!
What did Roy in 009 do that was so bad? Chasing younger hotties' tail? Pulllease! He is the most respected DC 009 has ever had in ages. The troops love him and it shows. He couldn't have done anything to jeopardize his career. He's too smart for that. Trust me, I work in 021 and 009 should thank their lucky stars they have him.
The car chase in 005, the one 520 called off..... it wasn't the car used in the homicide. Police got the plate, tracked it down. Just some joy-riders who were probably unlicensed. You never know.....
I was not blaming all sergeants for what they have to do, but it was indeed an sergeant who started the chase downtown that killed that woman. Another sergeant got on the air to terminate the chase and the chasing sergeant got on the air and said " Im a sergeant and I will not terminate this chase". Again pride gets in the way of rational thinking. Had he stopped and thought about it nobody would be dead. But the real funny moral of the story is that that sergeant has been promoted again because he is married to daleys assistant. Can you imagine if this were an ordinary po with no juice?
ollie ollie ocean, free free free, I've reached my car, can't get me!!
"Wear your seat belt or die by your own hand. If you crash and get ejected oh well, another dumbass got killed."
Would Michael Gordon RIP from 011 fit your criteria?
Thank god Purvis' guy didn't heart anyone. If he would have heart someone it would have real bad.
Just heard that Killackey(Junior) is going to take over the reins of 009? Roy is being removed as soon as Phil retires. Any truth to this?
-009 Days
Sorry but chases are very very dangerous
3/18/2007 12:25:00 AM
So are letting murderers know that if they run, they will be allowed to get away and murder again. Sorry, 520 was wrong. I just hope that the next stray bullet from these thugs doesn't hit one of your family members.
IF YOU OR THERE IS AN AUTOACCIDENT AS RESULT OF CHASE IT IS TO BE TERMINATED, YOU OR OFFENDERS VEHICLE SIDESWIPING A PARKED CARS MIRROR
Read the order again, it says an accident involving injury.
another chase tragedy from the retired guy
When I was in college, 1973 or so the Po po was chasing some asshole near Belmont California and Elston
They crashed into a car containing some young people, one of whom was on the hiring list for this job
Several in the good guys car were killed
It aint worth it
Just wait til the lawyers play the tape of the two sgts arguing about the chase of the purse snatcher in 018
And though I didnt hear the tape, what was 1890 doing while these ego maniacs had an on air squabble ???
A few million more $$$$ and frankly who could blame a jury???
The final answer is that you cant stop a fleeing car using another car SAFELY
Vehicle chases. loved to be in them, hated the fuck out of them when they were over. The adrenline rush you get from that is better then going through a door on a warrant. Once it was over, you and your partner always got in a fucking domestic, "why did you do that?, why did you scream like a little bitch on the air? , did those assholes see us coming up to the intersection?" If you have been the police awhile and been working a district that humps you know exactly what I'm talking about. I do not wish a vehicle pursuit on my worst enemy. With that being said, do not sound like Bobby Bradey going through puberty when you are calling in a chase. Listen to the radio, if your sgt and oemc can ask you questions and you can respond coherently, thumbs up. Chase on midnights in 011, 015, 010, 025, 007, 003, 004, 005 are a lot more justified then 018, 001, 019 , 021, 008 on afternoons. Does not (except shots fired at the police) mean you should not attempt, but don't go on this forum and break bad on a white shirt. God bless the Po-leece and the Children. Stay safe everyone.
Start the chase because it's your job. Let the sergeant end it cause its his job. Handle the next call.
Go home safe.
Killackey Jr. is indeed taking over 009 in April. There's some major changes occuring in 009. Junior is just one of many...
The Emerald Isle is back baby!!!
The car chase in 005, the one 520 called off..... it wasn't the car used in the homicide. Police got the plate, tracked it down. Just some joy-riders who were probably unlicensed. You never know.....
Wrong, it was definitely the car...
Killackey Jr? Fuck I'm bidding out. That useless fuck couldn't run 009 for shit. Just another bad CPD brass decision. And for what? Just cuz a DC wanted to get his dick greased by some hairy poon?
I always thought DC Roy was gay? Well shit, if he is fucking hotties in 009, then God bless the old fucker!
Seriously, with that walk and lisp he uses, I thought he was gay?
-009 2nd watch
I work in 009. We are all extremely greatful to have Roy as our D/C. He is well liked and respected and treats us all fairly. Believe me, we do not want to see him go. I don't know who's posting about him on this site, but it's probablly one disgruntled old timer from days. The rest of us love him in 009. Keep up the good work cmd.
-bt guy in 009
Killackey Jr. is indeed taking over 009 in April. There's some major changes occuring in 009. Junior is just one of many...
The Emerald Isle is back baby!!!
3/19/2007 11:49:00 PM
Are you soft?
LAST NIGHT SOME GUYS HAD A FOOTCHASE WITH A MAN WITH A GUN THAT JUST SHOT AT A GROUP OF GANG BANGERS! BEING THE PUSSY MERIT SGT. THAT I AM, I HAD TO CALL OFF THE CHASE IT WAS TOO DANGEROUS TO THE PUBLIC AND THE OFFICERS.
SO CHARLIE WILLIAMS, DO YOU THINK I AM READY TO BE WATCH COMMANDER NOW?
THIS DEPT. HAS BECOME A BUNCH OF PUSSIFIED DO NOTHINGS!!!!
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