Negotiations Begin
With the current labor contract expiring in 22 days or so, lists of proposals are being collected, debated and published.
From the FOP website, there is a 2 page summary and a 43 page comprehensive list of proposals. The Sun Times also covers the story:
From the FOP website, there is a 2 page summary and a 43 page comprehensive list of proposals. The Sun Times also covers the story:
- Chicago Police officers are demanding a 24 percent pay hike over four years and a $3,000-a-year residency stipend to compensate them for being forced to live and send their kids to school in the city.
The Fraternal Order of Police is also seeking a reduction in merit promotions -- from 20 percent to 16 percent -- and a guarantee that promotional exams will be administered and graded on the same day.
To prevent the Chicago Police Department from depleting the ranks of the 25 districts, the union wants to cap at 5 percent the number of officers transferred out of units or districts.
The Sun Times is merely an overview of a few headline grabbing proposals guaranteed to stir up the blood of the populace. There's some good stuff in here and some bad. We'll let some of the comments speak for themselves as we digest this thing. We've got some phone calls to make.
Labels: contract stuff
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
145 Comments:
Isn't the merit promotion 30% of every class of Sgt and Lt, and only 20% for Dets. Or do I have this backwards. Anyone know.
I'm First. And what FOP is asking ain't NEARLY enough. Gas, Food, etc. may DOUBLE by the time the next contract ends. Think carefully about this. Just look at how much gasoline has gone up in one year. The price of some food items had DOUBLED already. Those of you with young kids and big families, watch out for the Bill of Goods the FOP may try to sell you on. BEWARE!
OFF TOPIC:
In regards to your post about the new Department Awards, when would anyone even anticipate seeing a Traffic Stop of the Month ribbon on any officer's uniform?
At the current snail's pace, the department has not even finished distributing awards that were finally approved from Exempts from 2005.
At this rate, the first awardee for a Traffic Stop of the Month ribbon will not receive this award until at least lets guess Christmas of 2009. This is not a joke. Do the math
Why are there two ceremonies on the same date at the end of June (0900/1300 hrs)??????????????
How far are they backed up? Who is in charge of this task that on its face does not seem very difficult. Even if the answer is that there are soo many BS awards being approved, get a civilian to help if it will improve morale.
The house mouses of the department that do little will be getting their Attendance Recognition ribbon well before an officer deserving a Dept. Commendation will see his/hers. That is a shame.
Why is this so hard to understand, even if you dont wear the awards they sometimes help for disciplinary hearings or interviewing for a Unit.
JUST LIFT THE G%!$^D^MN RESIDENCY ALREADY!!!!!
sold out again, who asked for 6 and 3, how about 4 and 2, 5 and 2,
ten hour day for every one not at headquarters?
I like the D2A pay and 45 minutes for the ftos.
inflation is killing us........housing, gas and electricity doubled in the last 5 years and private schools are no bargain. food is begining to catch up to the above and our pay - insurance is not keeping up.
FOP......fixing this is what we pay you for!!!!!!!
24 Percent? Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, The union will buckle like they always do........
D2A pay and 10 hour days along with 45 minutes overtime everyday for being a FTO? Take one easy test for D2A, sign me up.....
Morgan Stanley issues triple sell warning on equities
By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard
Last Updated: 12:19am BST 07/06/2007
Morgan Stanley has advised clients to slash exposure to the stock market after its three key warning indicators began flashing a "Full House" sell signal for the first time since the dotcom bust.
Morgan Stanley warns the 'mid-cycle rally is over'
Teun Draaisma, chief of European equities strategist for the US investment bank, said the triple warning was a "very powerful" signal that had been triggered just five times since 1980.
"Interest rates are rising and reaching critical levels. This matters more than growth for equities, so we think the mid-cycle rally is over. Our model is forecasting a 14pc correction over the next six months, but it could be more serious," he said. Mr Draaisma said the MSCI index of 600 European and British equities had dropped by an average of 15.2pc over six months after each "Full House" signal, with falls of 25.2pc after September 1987 and 26.2pc after April 2002. "We prefer to be on the right side of these odds," he said.
Reuters
Home sales, prices to slip further in 2007: NAR
Wednesday June 6, 11:30 am ET
By Patrick Rucker
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Home sales and prices will fall at a faster pace in 2007 than originally expected, a leading U.S. real estate trade association said on Wednesday.
The National Association of Realtors trimmed its sales forecast for the fourth straight month and said it now expected sale prices would drop more sharply than it previously forecast.
Sales of existing homes should hit a pace of 6.18 million units this year, down from the 6.29 million units the NAR predicted last month.
The national median sales price for existing homes should ease by 1.3 percent to $219,000 this year. Last month, the trade group said prices were expected to slip 1 percent.
If I thought even half that shit would make it thru, I'd do cartwheels in my back yard...oh yeah, I don't have a back yard...I have a square foot of grass where a yard should be...anyway, don't get too excited folks
Gents
I say we stop bashing each other and concentrate on this current contract. Most of the dialogue (negative and pessismistic) could be put to rest with even 80% success of these negotiations. I don't have any hair gel in nor do I have 20 years on, is my spelling O.K.? and whether you're in 007 or 016... take care of yourselves and your families. Let's hope this goes well.
Looks like decent proposals, except I'd reduce the merit promotions to 10%.
Wow,a whole 4% reduction in merit promotions! With another 80% given the answers to the tests, we should really see a difference......
24%, move to the suburbs wow. Where do I sign? Won't happen. Some of our members would rather have a new gun.
What's a union? What does it mean being a union member? I don't think there's many of us that remember.
typical flop contract ask for the "moon" settle for anything as long as it is just before the fflop elections
Let's "piss off" the public by asking them to "pay" for our kids to attend "private schools"
Hey "markie" fire the guy who thought this up!!
but then you will have to "fire" yourself!!
I love the "demanding" part!
the union wants to cap at 5 percent the number of officers transferred out of units or districts.
FOP is know where near being a union.
THe odds of FOP getting a $3,000 residency stipend are slim and none. This is all a political b.s. by Donahue. The same kind of crap was brought up during last negotiations. See you in March Mark. "He gone."
What about hair gel. There is no mention in the proposal for hair gel. I don't need cost of living increases. I NEED hair gel ! Going to the uniform store today to buy my firsthash mark. I get to put it on in December. Congrats to me and my classmates.
I send my kids to Catholic schools, which is my choose. I don't think its a very appealing argument for us to receive a residency stipend when everyone has the same cost burden to live in the city and many are not making the same kind of money as us. This was a public relations blunder.
I love the smell of bullshit in the morning.
whats so crazy is that someone cannot tell you what church to go to! what to eat! what kind of car to buy! it is unconstitutional to tell someone where to live. Someone needs to start a class action lawsuit and get us all back pay for having to live in the city and paying all these crazy prices.........here is a little article i found
Lawmakers Vote To End City Worker Residency Requirement.
CLEVELAND -- Working for the city has its perks, but some argue requiring workers to live in the city limits is unconstitutional.
The Ohio House of Representatives voted Wednesday to end the residency requirement for city workers to live within the city for which they work.The residency issue could have a lasting impact on local governments to set their own rules.
The vote could change the makeup of cities like Cleveland, where city workers from firefighters to street cleaners must reside in the city.
The FOP sucks, we need a real union
The Keesing Bandit says----
Bad PR move on the paying for private schools. We're letting the public know in print that we think our schools suck and are dangerous. The fact that it is true is irrelevant. We shouldn't have asked for it. I only got one thing to say to whoever came up with that.
Kees me you fool!!!!!
The proposals are just that! The city and arbitrator will cut the heck out of it! We will wait years for a steelement then we will get some back pay not the correct amount of course as the city will use "daleys law" of how to lie cheat and steal from us!
Can't afford your lifestyle? Cutback on your expenses. Get rid of cable, cellphones, your fancy ride, and stop going out drinking every night. You knew when you were hired want kind of money you would make. Gee, I always hear how you guys go to Vegas and blow money. Or those trips to southern Mexico?
Anonymous said...
I send my kids to Catholic schools, which is my choose. I don't think its a very appealing argument for us to receive a residency stipend when everyone has the same cost burden to live in the city and many are not making the same kind of money as us. This was a public relations blunder.
6/08/2007 07:53:00 AM
Because we need to ask for residency istself, not stipend. Take teh 3000. and shove it up your ass, high schools alone will kill me her ein chicago. The burbs schools are better and free. All this means is that teh city will not have guys staying on the job as long 20 and out will be the max. Taht time my kids will be in high school and i'll be gone. Turnover rate will hurt the tax payers
Anonymous said...
I send my kids to Catholic schools, which is my choose. I don't think its a very appealing argument for us to receive a residency stipend when everyone has the same cost burden to live in the city and many are not making the same kind of money as us. This was a public relations blunder.
6/08/2007 07:53:00 AM
you aren't a police officer and no not everyone has the same cost burden
you want to know why we are not going to get what we ask for? we can not stay united on anything! we are too busy being saying stuff about people on this blog which we would not have the guts to say it to the individuals face. we are too busy worrying about bragging about how because im in one district im the real police and everyone else is a "clout baby". ladies and gentleman while we are bashing each other and back stabbing each other,i would bet the city is laughing at us and saying "why should we worry about what the police want and respect the police when they can not even stand united and respect each other." it doesnt matter what district you are in,how much time you have on the job or what race or sex you are we all want the same things. we want to come to work and do what we have to do to provide for ourselves,are families and are loved ones. lets put the petty beefs aside and concentrate on getting a contract that gives us the freedom to live wherever we want like other law enforcement agencies.let us focus on getting a contract that keeps up with the rising costs of living in this shitty city.to my fellow officers be safe ,back each other up and most importantly lets stand strong and united to fight for a contract that we deserve and lets be good to each other because frankly if we wont no one else will.
Anonymous said...
Wow,a whole 4% reduction in merit promotions! With another 80% given the answers to the tests, we should really see a difference......
6/08/2007 04:42:00 AM
Awwwww....another "worker" who didn't do well on a test!!! "Mommy, everyone who got promoted cheated!!" Awwwwww.....keep crying, maybe someone will listen to your conspiracy theories!!
no merit promotions
asking for 24% raise will be lucky to get 14%
lower retirement to 20 yrs and out no age
pay hospitalization for retirees that stay 30+ years - no age
get 80% for po's with 30 yrs
good luck i'll be gone before contract is settled
I send my kids to Catholic schools, which is my choose. I don't think its a very appealing argument for us to receive a residency stipend when everyone has the same cost burden to live in the city and many are not making the same kind of money as us. This was a public relations blunder.
6/08/2007 07:53:00 AM
Fuck public relations you jackass. How about being more concerned about officer relations. The other thing is that everyone is not bound by law to live in the city.
6/08/2007 12:13:00 A.M
JUST LIFT THE G%!$^D^MN RESIDENCY ALREADY!!!!!
The CFD and CPD must unite on this issue before anything happens.They will not life the residency ban for us before the CFD.
24 Percent? Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, The union will buckle like they always do........
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NO, the arbitrator is the one that makes the decision in the end. (You can bet this is going to arbitration.)
We should have the contract hopefully by 2010.
All that sounds good but what will we have to give up? Don't we usaully have to give something up in order to get something???
"I don't think its a very appealing argument for us to receive a residency stipend when everyone has the same cost burden to live in the city and many are not making the same kind of money as us."
Ah STOOP, we are REQUIRED to live in the city as a condition of our employment. Others choose to live here by their own accord. I'm not feeling real misty eyed over the people living in 2million dollar condos,the housing boom hasn't slowed either. Wait til you see your property tax bill, unless you & the family live with your Mommy?
I send my kids to Catholic schools, which is my choose. I don't think its a very appealing argument for us to receive a residency stipend when everyone has the same cost burden to live in the city and many are not making the same kind of money as us. This was a public relations blunder.
6/08/2007 07:53:00 AM
They can move, we can't.....
The FOP will sell us out again. John Dineen sold us out with the first contract and FOP has been stabbing us in the back ever since. All you guys complain about clout, merit promotions, and low man power. How about this- since day one of the FOP being bargaining agent they have between fifteen and twenty department spots in units for their "friends".
This is why there is no bidding into units by seniority. The FOP is nothing more than an extension of City Hall. Always has been, alwyas will be. Time for a new union kiddies. This is the time to forge ahead. When the contract expires, we can demand a vote for a new union. Do it now. FOP will only give back more to the City every year.
it appears that det. W.H of b-a is again bashing the fop because he has been deported from the lodge.
hey! we are losing ground.......our paycheck buys a lot less than it did the last time we negotiated.
this is unacceptable!
DO YOU HEAR US F.O.P......UNACCEPTABLE!
Going to the uniform store today to buy my firsthash mark. I get to put it on in December.
D O R K wait til January to put it on
Don't worry about the number of officers transferring out or detailed out. Fix the problem. HIRE MORE POLICE. Get with the times, acknowledge the age we all live in in which savagery, violent crime and murder is an everyday occurrence. And it's only getting worse. Lets not forget about terrorism and preparedness.
Damn straight more money. Everybody else in the work force can picket and go on strike but the police cant and wont and the Mayor knows this.
Since we are "forced" to live in this city lets not forget about higher property tax, higher costs to send our kids to private/catholic schools because its not safe to put your kids in the same public schools with the gangbangers, higher gas for the car, higher gas for heating your home, higher electric rates, daley up's all the parking garages, up's the cta costs, thinking about upping the taxi cab fees, even upped the dog license. It's ridiculous here in the city UNLESS you are one of the hundred of thousands that soak and bleed the welfare, public aid and ssi system for everything it's got, then you're okay.
Shit you talk about the traffic stop of the month award huh! We'll never see that award let alone all the others out there. Shit i say - What's an honorable mention? What's a problem solving award? What's an officer of the month award? What's a D.C.? What's a CAPS problem solving award? The unit i work in, our bosses don't put us in for shit for all the outstanding work we do. can't even get an adda boy!
You guys are absolute idiots!
Biggest mistake was for the FOP to make their proposals "public" so gossipy old broads like yourself can nit pic the shit out of it.
I hope the rest of the hard working police officers of this department get a fair and equitable contract despite the babbling of morons.
The point is, others have the choice as to whether to live in the city, we DO NOT. Same with the other city workers, let them get it too. Times have changed, and we are now held hostage. Cook County is raping us and so is the city because they know we have to live here. If we didn't, and whos to say I would even move, the prospect of flight would give us more political power. As of now they got us and know it. Think about how hard the city works to entice the upper class to move back. Dogs are allowed to eat as restaurants but i can't get a streetlight fixed.
I have a question to all the complainers out there, what do you want???? If you say the only thing you want is the residency requirement lifted, that is easily solved, quit!!!! When you took this job it was a requirement. If you didn't like that requirement you shouldn't have taken this job (I have more than a few friends who didn't take this job for that exact reason). I don't want to hear about how much homes cost in the city. There are homes everywhere in my neighborhood for sale. Some have been for sale for quite awhile and the prices have been reduced twice. This is exactly what the new guys on the job need. Homes at a lower cost so they can afford one. My neighborhood is safe and quiet, coppers welcome.
I love the complaining about only asking for merit to be dropped to 16%. Would you rather not have it on the table at all??? Most people on this blog should be able to remember when it was 32 years on this job to get a full pension. It is now down to 29. Hopefully in the next 10 years we can get that cut to 25 years. You take what you want brick by brick, block by block. Rome wasn't built in a day. If we get merit knocked down to 16% maybe next contract its down to 10%. We will never get it lower than that.
I always knew the CPD didn't hire the best and the brightest but, I thought we didn't cry more than a single mom on welfare with 5 kids. WHAAAAAAAAAAA. I want everything and do nothing for it.
Look around the country. Unions are falling everyday. The FOP does better for us than the majority of unions do for their members. FOP isn't great and have some real mopes for board members but, I can't complain. I don't go to the meetings and am not elligible to run for any office. Thats my fault not theirs.
Go ahead an rip me know. The clowns ripping me are the same people who can't fill out a case report properly or even get the correct UCR code. No I'm not a Supervisor, just a PO doing the best I can.
I'm sorry. Did I read that right. Who says that we have to send our kids to school in this city. Last time I checked you can send your kids to any school you like. As long as it isnt a suburban public school. There are good catholic schools outside the city. How bout this. Give those who choose not to send our kids to these worthless city public schools a rebate on our tax bill. That would make me really happy.
I propose that coldtype have a column in the monthly FOP newsletter.
The FOP has publicized the need for input from members concerning their recommendations for proposals regarding the upcomming contract negotiations. This was done at FOP meetings,printed in the monthly news letter, and also on the FOP web-site. They sought members imput via a link on the web-site whereby you could submit proposals to the negotiation committee.
What I find absurd, is that our members can find time to hang out at the "gin mill" or surf the internet "porn sites" for countless hours, BUT than cry and act like they were "shut out" of the process the moment they see what the wish list contained!
These are the same crybabies who never attend a meeting or vote in an election than throw a fit that we are somehow being screwed over.
Start getting involved officer's or shut you mouths! You've all heard the phrase "Put up, or shut up!" Time to start putting up. Only 1 FOP meeting a month. C'mon man invest in yourselves..get involved!
TOP TEN - Typical CPD responses about the FOP.....
1. The Union Sucks
2. It's in Daley's Pocket anyway
3. The President (Donahue/Nolan doesn't matter) Sucks
4. I'm just looking for that fat retro check. ( FYI - City wins on that deal too, you get no interest on money owed.)
5. If I complain louder I sound smarter.
6. I pay my Union Dues what the F*ck.
7. Where is the Union Hall again?
8. I don't go to meetings, so why should I be surprised the retirees get everything. (Another FYI - the reiteree's are 100x's more organized than current membership)
9. Why should I care, in the end its all gonna be shoved in my a$$
anyway.
10. How much do I spend for union dues ?
I also enjoyed the article in the Trib or Slum-Times today. Whereby, ADS Williams stated that CPD is expanding the Taser program to include FTO's and certain selected officers. But that he would eventually like to see all CPD officers outfitted with this "less-than-lethal force" option.
What a joke..lets cater to the criminal even more.
How about getting 1 more conservative on the high court than we can over turn the fleeing felon ruling. Then watch crime plummet.
Oh, and the biggest farce about the Taser article. It said that Sup. Hillard reluctantly allowed sergeants to have them and changed the policy to allow even though he was opposed to it.
The irony to this is..and I never knew this...are you ready?
Hillard is a paid consultant to Taser Industries where he outfits entire police departments nationwide with tasers. But as the Superintendant he must have felt that IN CHICAGO P.O.'s ARE TO STUPID TO BE TRUSTED WITH THEM AND MOST SERGEANTS TO BALL-LESS TO USE THEM!Perhaps that's why only whiteshirts had them. Now he's being paid by the manufacturer and is out to see that everyone has one!
What is ADS Williams cut? Just wondering. (Maybe a post CPD gig?)
BUELLER..BUELLER..BUELLER...
D2A pay for FTOs. About time...last contract the union didn't even want to help FTOs. Now that the City mentioned the D2A proposal the union is backing the idea.
FTOs, like them or not, have responsiblities/supervision just like any sergeant or above. Now they are even armed with tasers.
Perhaps a special grade of pay for them like D3A. They deserve it and it would be fair.
Take it from a 19 year veteran sergeant.
OFF TOPIC SORRY:
Once again, the thugs are exiting the schools, fights breaking out all over and not one car available, and the inside folks strut around, out of uniform, la de da.
Someone said in another post how there should be a limit or percentage of officers that can be detailed out or brought inside. For God's sake do it, before more officers get hurt. This is insane, pure and simple to keep all these healthy officers and supervisors inside when we are fighting a war daily on the streets. Sorry for venting but something needs to be done. At least bring some of the light duty officers from call back to the districts so they could free up some of the healthy people on the desk or front office. And again, why can inside officers wear civilian dress when they are sworn officers who could be activated at anytime?
Will someone tell me where that addendum to the uniform standards is that gives inside officers permission to do this? If you're tact or in the detective division fine, if not, put on the uniform.
for the last freakin time the union can not have a say so on what happens on a promotional examine when the exam that is administered is for a management position ie. SGT.
Hey Mark ,. FUCK YOU & all your contract guys . You mean to tell the retirees that the only thing you can come up with is to not charge us for ambulance rides , FUCK YOU again ! You would think that I would be grateful for what you did , I'm not . I get to ride in a CFD ambulance for free and that's it. Do you think you can get the EMT's to come a little south to pick me up. Like 500 miles or so. Hey Mark , We don't need that . We need lower medical rates for Doctor bills & Medication. Mark , Do something for us. We don't want a lot just a little . One thing for sure I don't want a fuckin' ride in a CFD
ambulance.
I would like to see the 6 day work week gone, it wears you down.
How about 25% of the revenue from citation based inforcement (parkers, movers, anovs) be directed to fully fund our pensions, and an additional 5% goes towards retiree health benefits? I know alot of us that do not like writing revenue for daley would start writing again and would make up for the "loss" of the 30% easily. Even the salty old timers would dust off the old pen and start writing. Just think of how many you write now, for most, it would be easy to double that. I dont write alot of parkers, but I would make sure to drop a couple a day if its not just lining the citys pocket.
OFF TOPIC: EVERYONE MUST PICK UP A COPY OF THIS WEEKS CHICAGO READER. THERE IS A STORY ABOUT A PO KILLING A YOUNG BOY DURING A CAR CRASH WHILE ON DUTY. MARIA MAHER IS PORTRAYED AS A CLUELESS BOSS WHO PRETENDS NOT TO KNOW OUR VEHICLE PURSUIT POLICY.
LIFT THE M-Fn RESIDENCY NOW!!!! This city really sucks to live in! Will somebody grab their fucking balls and do something about it? Let's get it rolling and NOW!
Call it selfish ... but after 28yrs on this job, putting up with Daley, spending all kinds of money putting my kids through private grammar and high schools I'm gonna let my property value drop now after the flight to the burbs ... I think not! Just like I knew about the residency requirements when I got on...so do these kids! But if you pay me back on what I spent on schools and fixing my house so it looks like the burbs..then we can talk!
D2A pay and 45 minutes ot for FTO's. Mark you gotta be smoking crack. As a dic I'll have an easier time going back to patrol and becoming an FTO. That way when I get my heater cases, I don't have to put up with every boss up my ass why its not closed. I get a case from hell and I work 18 hours straight and come back to work after 4 hours sleep if I'm lucky. Fuck the overtime, I'm too old for that shit. Put me in a car in uniform teaching a newbie how to write a case report and what code to give on a job. Plus I can get 4.5 hours a week overtime for wiping his nose. FTO's, what a bunch of whiny bastards. Hey Mark, if the FTO's get D2a, the dics should get D3 pay.
The FOP "leadership" isn't worn down by the 6 day work week. they probably forgot there is one.
I was at the academy for a training class the last 4 days. Question-did anyone see the F/1 academy instructor on friday? must be casual friday. she had on baggie jeans, oversized black jersey, big gold chain and my favorite-a doo rag under her cpd ball cap...completely thugged out-what an embarrassment to the department..when other depts where there..nice impression of cpd there. NOT!
I have to say the FOP needs to do alot when it comes to the next contract. As every day that goes by the city continues to mess with our medical, residency, pay,etc. I work hard as I am sure most coppers do (not mentioning the house mouse, they're no better than their droppings) I am talking about the officers who do the real work, get sued for just doing their job. FOP, stop messing with officers' lives instead of taking officers' money and do your JOB!!
Anonymous said...
the union wants to cap at 5 percent the number of officers transferred out of units or districts.
FOP is know where near being a union.
6/08/2007 06:33:00 AM
sooo, a kid might never make it out of englewood?
Anonymous said...
I send my kids to Catholic schools, which is my choose. I don't think its a very appealing argument for us to receive a residency stipend when everyone has the same cost burden to live in the city and many are not making the same kind of money as us. This was a public relations blunder.
6/08/2007 07:53:00 AM
Was it your CHOICE? And if they are not making the SAME KIND of money, how are they paid? Pesos? Clams? Perhaps if you went to, or done goed to a more better skuul, you wood sea that ew are stew pid. Eye don't wont meye kid two end up like ew. We wont duh suburbs.
If you do the math and remain very conservative, the FOP is making $5,850,000 a year off of us. That's broken down from $18.75 a check for dues. Twice a month comes to $37.50 a month, per member at Patrolmen's pay. Now if the city claims to have 13,000 Officers, that comes out to $487,500 a month. Multiply that by 12 months, you get the very hefty number of $5,850,000 samolies. That's a lot of representation!!!
They get their pay, where's ours?
"You knew when you were hired want kind of money you would make. Gee, I always hear how you guys go to Vegas and blow money. Or those trips to southern Mexico?"
OK White shirt perhaps we can get the 30mins comp time 45 for you Lts. each day, not 2 forget the 5g a year differential for being a supervisor you receive yearly. Save the mouth for the wife& Kids...
"How about getting 1 more conservative on the high court than we can over turn the fleeing felon ruling. Then watch crime plummet."
Think so Punk? When that happens watch them take away your right to collective bargaining, watch your pension& right to sue disappear. Then the day arrives when ATF will be booting your door down &confiscating all your personal weapons. You'll be cowering in the corner peeing in pants in front of the family crying Mommy,Mommy.
That's reality of a Conservative READ FASCIST Supreme Court!!
"D2A pay for FTOs. About time...last contract the union didn't even want to help FTOs. Now that the City mentioned the D2A proposal the union is backing the idea.
FTOs, like them or not, have responsiblities/supervision just like any sergeant or above. Now they are even armed with tasers.
Perhaps a special grade of pay for them like D3A. They deserve it and it would be fair.
Take it from a 19 year veteran sergeant."
WHAT?? Most of not all FTOs are Goofs that became FTOs because no one wants to work with them. You know it & I know it Sarge.
They train a total of about 3 or 4 recruits a year tops.
19year vet? 92 was the last year they had a Patrol Specialist Class. They started the FTO program back up in 99, during that time 4000 POS were trained by POs just off their probation.
It's more than apparent the Salty Sarge spent that time on his knees, hence his touting these FTOs being such an integral part of this Department.
LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT AN FTO WOULD MAKE MORE THAN A DICK OR AN E.T. IS THIER THAT MANY E.T'S.
IT SOUNDS LIKE ITS A DIVIDE AN CONQUER WITH SUM BACK ROOM DEALING. WHAT WITH THE EXTRA 45 MINUTES A DAY. THAT SOUNDS LIKE GHOST PAYROLLING TO ME . I GET PAID BUT I AM NOT AT WORK. MAY BE WE CAN HAVE 10 HOUR DAYS AND LEAVE 2 HOURS EARLY (COUNTING ARE LUNCH AND PERSONAL) AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE ENOUGH EQUIPMENT 4 EVERYONE.
I wouldn't put too much energy in even contemplating let alone debating this deal about the residency. It is a smokescreen in my opinion. As always the FOP come up with some MAJOR issue that they know we REALLY want and while we are arguing back and forth about it they throw in alot of other cuts to our benefits that we don't find out abuot until the contract is settled. To top it off, the BIG issue that was the smokescreen doesn't go through anyway. Example: Last contract the big smokescreen was making everyone go on 10 hour days, while everyone bitched and moaned and ranted in glee, they raised out health insurance ALOT-and, this may not be part of the last contract, I don't know but has anyone noticed that the taxes on OT and UA are at a higher rate than they were? I take home less than I did in these checks than when the amounts received were much lower. I was told it was a new accounting software system.
Get smart. Look at all the other "smaller" ways we are being slowly mickle and dimed=screwed. Watch for health insurance premiums, disciplinary procedures, and anything to do with our rights on this job. Warning. Don't fall for smokescreens.
read Billy (0486) Dougherty's by line in FOP News Rag
A gut wrenching account of what this city does to our members.
Hey Bill who is Chairman of the Finance Committee that keeps sticking it up our ass
Oh Ald Burke the same Alderman Burke we endorsed and give our money to
the same Burke who used the FOP Hall with you smiling in the back to promote his book you know the personnaly autograph copy you tuck under your pillow
Your tear jerk story only highlights what an impotent hill billy you are
Bill our protector can't handle it huh
They tax the fuck out of our checks on the 1st & 16th, and not to mention duty avaliblity, uniform, and O.T. We get taxed too heavy, and top it off we live in Cook County and the City of Chicago. Our salaries should begin over $75,000. We will get fucked on our next contract one way or another. Nobody has the fucking BALLS to get residency requirement lifted or even begin to generate such action. WHAT WILL IT TAKE? WE AS A WHOLE CAN DO IT.
MAN O MAN ALL THE FLOP GUYS ARE TYPING THEIR ASSES OFF.
WHATS THE DEAL WITH UNIFORM ALLOWANCES JUST ASK FOR THE MONEY STRAIGHT UP.
DONT THINK THE DEPARTMENT IS GOING TO KEEP PAYING ALL THOSE HI TUITIONS EITHER. ALL MY FELLOW GED PEEPS BETTER WAKE UP THE CASH IS DRYING UP.
REMEBER THOSE SQUAD CARS USE GAS AND THAT COMES OUT OF THE BUDGET.
WHEN YOU 62 YEAR OLD PARTNER WHO HAS BEEN ON THE JOB LONGER THAN YOU HAVE BEEN ALIVE HAS A STROKE THAT COMES OUT OF THE BUDGET. REMEBER EVERY TIME THE FED GIVE CASH THE DEPARTMENT BUYS
1)HD TV FOR HQ
2)COMMAND VANS THAT REALLY DONT DO SHIT( GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE IF IM WRONG)
3) SUV SO SGT CAN LOG YOU
4)PRETTY STATUES FOR HQ
5) DICKS RUNNING NAMES IN FUSION CENTERS INSTEAD OF PPO'S.
6) CAMERAS ON POLES THAT POINT AT TREES AND SIDEWALKS ( THOSE CAMERAS NEED TO BE PROGRAMMED TO PAN AN AREA.
I CAN GO ON AND ON CASH IS JUST BEING SPENT LIKE CRAZY ON CRAP AND NOT MANPOWER. WELL IM DONE I HAVE TO MEET SOME PEOPLE AT THE JEFFERSON TAP.
Biggest mistake was for the FOP to make their proposals "public" so gossipy old broads like yourself can nit......
This strategery was done on purpose on the ILLUSION that the FOP is doing a great deal for us. They can go public with all sorts of idealistic demands. In the end, its the same dissapointing story!
I know it won't happen, but it sure would be nice not to live in the city.
TO: 06/08/2007 10:15AM
WELL SAID...WILLIAM WALLACE!!!
daley will never allow us to get ahead! His old though was a tad better! He took jimmy keating fishing with him when keating was a tot! that is why jimmy is as far as he is and will be next 1st deputy bank on it! then when he screws up he will be made 1st deputy in charge of segways! Like starks is in charge of? NOTHING except for a huge salary and drivers and girls!
I just want to be able to wear cowboy boots with my uniform.
More like a $10,000 residency stipend is what we really need. Well, at least we actually might be on the road to change.
As long as it isnt a suburban public school. There are good catholic schools outside the city. How bout this.
out of area costs more
D2A for FTO's, What about ET's and other patrol specialistin D2 pay? Will they make the detectives D2B pay?
As far as schools being "free" in the suburbs, guess again. The south suburbs of Homewood, Dolton, South Holland, Alsip etc. are either hell holes or something out of the movie Deliverance. Those public high schools ain't filled with angels. Evergreen Park has one public high school and they have some problems there. Nicer middle/upper middle class areas like Oak Lawn, Orland, Palos pay much higher property tax than we do, and they get a monthly water bill and garbage bill. Go just outside Cook County into Dupage County and you are going to pay 20,00-30,000 a year in property tax! Great problem free high schools, but your basically paying tuition through your property tax. When it's all added up, you would not be saving any money living in a nice suburb.
10:03 is a suck ass, settling is for the meek. Our union should fight, I don't care what others pay or get, just what we get. You probably belongs to Pflegers church.
FOP sucks. Once had an arguement over a rep over the feasibility of an affidavit and he told me they were unconstitutional. Suprise, suprise, we have one now. Kep getting paid for those committees guys.
Did ya ever notice...EVERY time the CPD or CFD for that matter, asks for consideration around contract time, the Mayors office issues a statement about raising taxes?
That way it's a Win/Win for da' Mere!
Either way, it's [as usual] the PO-lices' fault!
He's about as predictable as Skilling stating..."Partly Cloudy!"
NO, the arbitrator is the one that makes the decision in the end. (You can bet this is going to arbitration.)
We should have the contract hopefully by 2010.
And because of the contract being dragged out for years as always, I refuse to do a damn thing. Fuck them and fuck every boss that tries to change my start time etc. Stand together for once. Why any Chicago Police Officer would go out there and risk his/her life when asshole daley cant even give us timley raises.
The asshat politicians get their raises almost immediately. STOP WORKING...Remember dickhead wants the olympics.
Keep the money I want a miracle gun.
Lifting the residencey requirement is ok if your a renter. If you own your fucked.
I was at the academy for a training class the last 4 days. Question-did anyone see the F/1 academy instructor on friday? must be casual friday. she had on baggie jeans, oversized black jersey, big gold chain and my favorite-a doo rag under her cpd ball cap...completely thugged out-what an embarrassment to the department..when other depts where there..nice impression of cpd there. NOT!
6/08/2007 06:59:00 PM
You know, I often wondered the same. The academy is supposed to set an example for the recruits, and on Fridays anything goes. Wear whatever you want. Forget the fact that the city has paid you to have a nice uniform.
MEMO: THIS ISN'T PRIVATE INDUSTRY, unless your assignment specifically gives you permission to wear civilian dress, wear the uniform. How come inspectors don't write these people up for being out of uniform?
Today in New York, a U.S. record of 29,300 candidates will be taking the entrance exam for police officer.
Am I speaking of the NYPD? Hell, no! Like the CPD, the morale of the NYPD was pronounced dead years ago. Indeed, thousands of the test candidates for the NASSAU COUNTY POLICE DEPT are current members of the NYPD.
Nassau Co. on Long Island encompasses the eastern suburbs of NYC, directly over the line from the NYC borough of Queens. Most current members of the NYPD currently live happily in Nassau and other counties outside NYC.
Candidates must be high school grads (or GED). Unlike the $25,100 starting salary of the NYPD, NCPD starts at $57,811 to $94,417, not even counting overtime.
Daley, his well-paid and incompetent political hack bosses and the media treat you guys like shit! No respect whatsoever. The media won't even hold Daley's feet to the fire on long overdue needs for reform (apolitical assignments, rigged clout promotions , etc.)
Fuck Daley! Don't take it! Bail out from the long-sunken CPD ship. THE JOB IS DEAD!
After attrition, let apathetic Chicagoans have the police force they truly deserve.
and whether you're in 007 or 016... take care of yourselves and your families. Let's hope this goes well.
6/08/2007 02:45:00 AM
One of the most intelligent things ever posted on this site.
Anonymous said...
I send my kids to Catholic schools, which is my choose. I don't think its a very appealing argument for us to receive a residency stipend when everyone has the same cost burden to live in the city and many are not making the same kind of money as us. This was a public relations blunder.
6/08/2007 07:53:00 AM
First, I hope your kids teach you how to spell (choice not choose). Secondly, not everybody has the same cost burden, they ARE NOT force to live in this city we ARE.
"NORTHSIDE" is referring to the hiring exam of the SUFFOLK COUNTY POLICE DEPARTMENT (SCPD), not Nassau County which is on the easternmost tip of Long Island (the Hamptons, etc.)
All the sharp, young NYPD MOS are taking the SCPD exam today.
By the way, from reading your site, unlike the Chicago PD, NYPD MOS can live in many counties outside NYC with good schools, reasonably-priced housing and relatively safe neighborhoods. We also have OTJ shift differential and Glocks.
Based on your political horror stories, it sounds like the CPD was taken off life support long before the NYPD was pronounced DOA.
Anonymous said...
read Billy (0486) Dougherty's by line in FOP News Rag
A gut wrenching account of what this city does to our members.
Hey Bill who is Chairman of the Finance Committee that keeps sticking it up our ass
Oh Ald Burke the same Alderman Burke we endorsed and give our money to
the same Burke who used the FOP Hall with you smiling in the back to promote his book you know the personnaly autograph copy you tuck under your pillow
Your tear jerk story only highlights what an impotent hill billy you are
Bill our protector can't handle it huh
6/08/2007 08:46:00 PM
Do you think for 1 minute ed burke cares about us? give it a break! this man has more money than he can ever spend, and he uses the police department like his own valet service! He has been begging to meet with starks to increase his not needed detail and starks will not talk to him! ( the only thing starks ever did right but he should just remove that detail if he had balls), why does he have 2 officers at D-3 pay at all times? why do they only work 10 days a month? Why does he have more equipment for a squad car than even the Supt? SIMPLE BECAUSE HE IS EDDIE BURKE!
Where do you all think we're going to live? Berwyn, Cicero, Brookfield, Lyons? How much better you think that is than Garfield Ridge?
Awwwww....another "worker" who didn't do well on a test!!! "Mommy, everyone who got promoted cheated!!" Awwwwww.....keep crying, maybe someone will listen to your conspiracy theories!!
6/08/2007 10:54:00 AM
You think it is all legit right? what are you smoking? the same stuff you smoked in college right! That is why your on the dept as your major was nothing and now all you have to show for it is this shit job! But obviously you were promoted! great job son I am proud of you! Your Mother Maria Maher!
What about 10 hour days?!?
The six day work week is the worst part about this job!
Anonymous said...
As far as schools being "free" in the suburbs, guess again. The south suburbs of Homewood, Dolton, South Holland, Alsip etc. are either hell holes or something out of the movie Deliverance. Those public high schools ain't filled with angels. Evergreen Park has one public high school and they have some problems there. Nicer middle/upper middle class areas like Oak Lawn, Orland, Palos pay much higher property tax than we do, and they get a monthly water bill and garbage bill. Go just outside Cook County into Dupage County and you are going to pay 20,00-30,000 a year in property tax! Great problem free high schools, but your basically paying tuition through your property tax. When it's all added up, you would not be saving any money living in a nice suburb.
6/09/2007 01:44:00 AM
Yes the taxes are higher, but ours will be almost as high soon, if you have newer contruction then they are that hih now.
I read the contract proposal and again the question that I have is why if we are a "union" like a carpenter , plumber, or electrican who work for the city does it take over twenty five years for us to reach top scale? The other unions start off as apprentices and within in four to six years they are journeymen earning top dollar. I/We do not need our money in twenty five years, we need it now to buy a house in a nice neighborhood, pay for our childrens education, and set our selves up for a nice well deserved retirement. This should be issue number one. All the other points would be handled based off this. If I wrong let me hear but consider what I said. "Lets be careful out there" Sgt Phil Esterhose R.I.P Hill Street Blues (for all you youngsters out there)
The crosssing guards and every other city employee should be allowed the $3000. Show me the money. We all have to live in the city.
Go just outside Cook County into Dupage County and you are going to pay 20,00-30,000 a year in property tax!
Ya, ok pal I'm sure!
Anonymous said...
Isn't the merit promotion 30% of every class of Sgt and Lt, and only 20% for Dets. Or do I have this backwards. Anyone know.
YOU ARE CORRECT
Anonymous said...
Lifting the residencey requirement is ok if your a renter. If you own your fucked.
6/09/2007 06:29:00 AM
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Look, here are the facts. Unless you bought 8+ years ago and never took a stupid cash out re-fi, you are fvcked.
This housing thing is a rip off. There is no way any intelligent person now a days would buy some broke-dick ranch on the nw side for $450,000! Did some people make mistakes, yes. Did some people make out like bandits, yes. But those are the exceptions not the norms.
There was an unprecidented boom in housing that no other generation ever saw, and no other genereation ever will.
But now the jig is up. Sorry if you missed it! But look around do you see all those for sale signs on the block?? Not everyone gets to be a millionaire! Sorry. Oh I know it's *your* house that makes it SOOOOOO much more special.
So go ahead and lower your asking price and we all can get along again!!
Look for it real close. The first time I read it I missed it!! Daley admits the housing market is in trouble.
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Mayor Daley admits to housing slow down
It's designed to raise $1.1 million to help plug a $10 million hole in Mayor Daley's 2007 budget caused by weather-related overtime and lower-than-anticipated tax revenue tied to the housing slowdown. Daley has also cut off non-emergency overtime and suspended hiring unrelated to public safety.
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Earlier this week, Daley declined to rule out a post-election tax increase. "We don't know yet. . . . It's a critical time. The economy has slowed down. Housing has slowed down. The [real estate] transfer tax has slowed down. You start making decisions much earlier than later," he said.
01:44 WRONG, in most suburbs you will may more taxes but not that much. Family of mine own a half million dollar home in Naperville and pay about 11 grand. Now figuring they have the best schools in the state, and suppose you have the average of 2 1/2 kids, I think you'll see your getting a bargain.
Housing Stocks Tumble on Higher Rates, Threat of Continued Price Declines
The pool of would-be home buyers has already been drying up as banks tighten lending criteria amid a meltdown of the supreme mortgage sector, which lends to people with spotty credit histories. Other buyers have been staying away as home prices fall because they do not want to invest in an asset that may depreciate.
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070607/housing_sector_snap.html?.v=1
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USA TODAY: Housing slowdown smacks Realtors hard
By Noelle Knox, USA TODAY
http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/housing/2007-06-08-realtor-usat_N.htm
to 1:44am----Amen. How do you folks think public schools are FREE? Property taxes boys and girls--hell, I should be rebated on mine-I have no brats.
Our public schools DO suck and ARE dangerous, so who cares if the "public" is just figuring this out. The PC reason for us to say we can't/won't send our kids to CPS is that our kids will be at risk from the gangs when they determine that their parent or parents are the police. That's plain enough for even the yuppies to understand.
1. You guys knew all about and acknowledged the residency requirement when you signed on.
2. The grass is not greener in the suburbs. The taxes are horrible and in most of them, the schools aren't so much better.
There is a place in DeKalb you can visit if you wish to continue to kick a dead horse.
While I am out of lurk and read mode, here is another request.
PROOFREAD your comments before you send them, some of you look like total idiots with your spelling, grammar and syntax.
First, I hope your kids teach you how to spell (choice not choose). Secondly, not everybody has the same cost burden, they ARE NOT force to live in this city we ARE.
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Hey Mr. Spelling Nazi......you would be forcED to live in the city. You pretentious dope.
And for the record-you are NOT forced to live in the city. You choose to, by nature of your employment. I'd like to have the choice to move out as well, but I took the job knowing the rules. So did you. So STFU.
What about health insurance increases. We are paying out the a... We are losing money with each contract. Are you all aware of the 100.00 pay now clause which does not apply to anything. Got hit with it in the ER. Nurse damn near stuck me up demanding the 100.00 PAYABLE IMMEDIATELY before we could leave. Between that and each family member deductible you are bankrupt before ins kicks in.
Let us work our off days in the districts or units we normally work in for time and a half. This is cheaper for the city and provides us an opportunity to work extra if desired. No need to train extra people or insure additional bodies. The money would come in handy.
For Those That Don't Know, Guns, Drugs & Gangs Go Hand & Hand^
"I was at the academy for a training class the last 4 days. Question-did anyone see the F/1 academy instructor on friday? must be casual friday. she had on baggie jeans, oversized black jersey, big gold chain and my favorite-a doo rag under her cpd ball cap...completely thugged out-what an embarrassment to the department..
Why ya trippn Dawg? She's just a reflection of the community she was recruited from. Reminds me of the Tac guy in 011 wearing Travelers TVL colors on duty. The city gets the department they deserve, Gang banging Ghetto thugs, bring on the Olympics!!
Everybody laughed when I took the FTO test. Sounds like some whiny little bitches should have taken it too. I think I might be laughing all the way to the bank now. To the detective complainer, you can leave the Detective Division any time you want. Just go ahead and drop a PAR form. You can have your prestige, I'll take the money and free time. It's funny, I thought detectives were supposed to be smart but I guess that is only in fiction.
Dispatchers and calltakers ( ibew local 21 are piggybacking on the same request as cpd, asking $5000 stipend and or lift residency. We feel if enough unions stick together, city is going to have to assist us living here financially or let us move.
There is no room for working middle class here in Chicago anymore. Rich people or thugs, the people have spoke and they got their way. Liberals have driven us out. There is no where to send out kids to school that is safe. There is no place to park your car on a city street without paying permit,meter or garage. 8 out of 10 people you talk to have been a victim of crime, or cdtp, burglary, auto theft etc. We can't even protect our own personal space and we work for the system. There isnt' a police car to send, we are inudated with calls of nonsense and people's out of control personal lives, they don't really need the police they need a shrink. The police dept needs 5000 more coppers. Our employer is FORCING us to stay and live in dangerous communities, where we KNOW first hand we have no protection at all from the criminal element. Our right to bear arms living here in Chicago has been remove too.
Let us move already! So I can send my children to a public school if I want too. Let me move to a town where the Mayor cares that if there is crime he hires more police or gives them incentive to work. Or give me my $5000, so I can pay for a security system or a new steel doors for my home and garage.
Here's my take on the D2A pay for FTOs. If that happens there's going to be more than a few reqeusts to take the test. But money is nice, but FTO is not a permanent rank (like detective is not a permanent rank. That was the idea when D2A was proposed, we wanted it to be a rank, not just a pay scale. We need to make sure the FTOs, new and used alike, are better trained and that we pick the best qualified persons for the job-not just anybody who shows up. But since the empty holsters at the academy aren't the best we've got either, i don't hold out too much hope for the FTO program.
About the comment that "Chief of Detectives" Maria Maher is clueless and doesn't know the department police regarding police chases: she is clueless and doesn't know the current police regarding police chases [and quite clueless about most other police policies]. She's like a lot of the upper management of this department, they never were the police, so they have no clue what it is that we actually do. They just get their marching orders from the 5th floor. Then they implement the orders no matter what.
The guy who said property taxs in Dupage County are 20,00-30,000 a year is somewhat correct. It depends on what town you live in. My in-laws live in Hinsdale. Nice 4 bedroom, 2 bath ranch home with a big yard. Just a little bigger than a home in Talley's corner in 022nd District, but a bigger yard. They pay 18,500 a year in property tax. The huge homes in Hinsdale pay anywhere from 25-35 grand a year they tell me. My cousin lives in Darien. Nice home, no Hinsdale type mansion though, nice size yard. He pays just over 13,000 grand a year in property tax.
Anonymous said...
I was at the academy for a training class the last 4 days. Question-did anyone see the F/1 academy instructor on friday? must be casual friday. she had on baggie jeans, oversized black jersey, big gold chain and my favorite-a doo rag under her cpd ball cap...completely thugged out-what an embarrassment to the department..when other depts where there..nice impression of cpd there. NOT!
6/08/2007 06:59:00 PM
You know, I often wondered the same. The academy is supposed to set an example for the recruits,
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Oh they do.........
Anonymous said...
The guy who said property taxs in Dupage County are 20,00-30,000 a year is somewhat correct. It depends on what town you live in. My in-laws live in Hinsdale. Nice 4 bedroom, 2 bath ranch home with a big yard. Just a little bigger than a home in Talley's corner in 022nd District, but a bigger yard. They pay 18,500 a year in property tax. The huge homes in Hinsdale pay anywhere from 25-35 grand a year they tell me. My cousin lives in Darien. Nice home, no Hinsdale type mansion though, nice size yard. He pays just over 13,000 grand a year in property tax.
6/10/2007 12:21:00 AM
Ya, and my salary can't afford those places EITHER!
Hey Mr. Spelling Nazi......you would be forcED to live in the city. You pretentious dope.
And for the record-you are NOT forced to live in the city. You choose to, by nature of your employment. I'd like to have the choice to move out as well, but I took the job knowing the rules. So did you. So STFU.
6/09/2007 05:27:00 PM
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Dude, c'mon 5:27. A lot (or alot as people pathetically use on this blog) of the spelling, grammar and punctuation is horrible here. The big joke about this job is needing college to get on. Some of these people appear not to have even graduated 5th grade spelling class. Funny thing, I was attesting an arrest and the captain was elated I spelled "pride" p-r-i-e-d as in pride open Not too boast, it just amused me how pathetic, not only this department is, but society as a whole is.
My take on the FTO program is give them the d2a pay. I don't think they should get the .45 minutes a day, just give them the pay even if they don't have a recruit. filling their paperwork out doesn't take long to do I was a acting FTO and had about 13 recuit's. and maybe a chance for the recruit's to summarize the FTO at the end of the cycle. I'm still up in the air about changing FTO's every what-ever days they do. I just had one FTO and he was great.
ontop of the 13K tax don't forget the $100 MONTHLY water bill, well it may be more if you have a family, my in-laws, well over 70, barely use any water pay $100. Garbage collection 20-30. But there gas is a nickel cheaper!
Dude, c'mon 5:27. A lot (or alot as people pathetically use on this blog) of the spelling, grammar and punctuation is horrible here. The big joke about this job is needing college to get on. Some of these people appear not to have even graduated 5th grade spelling class. Funny thing, I was attesting an arrest and the captain was elated I spelled "pride" p-r-i-e-d as in pride open Not too boast, it just amused me how pathetic, not only this department is, but society as a whole is.
6/10/2007 07:18:00 AM
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Ok, you got me. I am a Sgt and spend some time proofing reports before I sign them. The spelling and grammar are absolutely horrible. And these are people who, as you say, had to go to college in order to be eligible for the job. And brother let me tell you, when a mistake is pointed out for correction, you would think I insulted officer's family. "Man Sarge, who cares?" You are supposed to care, you twit, how about taking some pride in what you are doing. I know all about the bullshit that is the Patrol Division, the nonsense missions and all of that crap, but at least make an attempt to treat the reports like the court documents that they are. On the other hand, you are correct, it is a societal problem, not limited to the police department.
Stay safe brother, I've got your back.
OFF TOPIC: EVERYONE MUST PICK UP A COPY OF THIS WEEKS CHICAGO READER. THERE IS A STORY ABOUT A PO KILLING A YOUNG BOY DURING A CAR CRASH WHILE ON DUTY. MARIA MAHER IS PORTRAYED AS A CLUELESS BOSS WHO PRETENDS NOT TO KNOW OUR VEHICLE PURSUIT POLICY.
6/08/2007 06:22:00 PM
I worked in 25 at the time and the story is true, the team was bricking as they needed a head. They were taking in the guy from the bus stop then ran into traffic at a stand still. numerous citizens said the squad was driving on the wrong side for a couple of blocks then hit th kids. Maria and the Sgt who is now a Lt. were trying to cover it up for the city Yet (Salt )Cline also knew what happened.
Do you think for 1 minute ed burke cares about us? give it a break! this man has more money than he can ever spend, and he uses the police department like his own valet service! He has been begging to meet with starks to increase his not needed detail and starks will not talk to him! ( the only thing starks ever did right but he should just remove that detail if he had balls), why does he have 2 officers at D-3 pay at all times? why do they only work 10 days a month? Why does he have more equipment for a squad car than even the Supt? SIMPLE BECAUSE HE IS EDDIE BURKE!
6/09/2007 09:16:00 AM
Also what about the drunk kid and the cover up?
I already reside in the suburbs, the city will never catch me.
Dude, c'mon 5:27. A lot (or alot as people pathetically use on this blog) of the spelling, grammar and punctuation is horrible here.
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Its just an open blog with posts by anonymous people. Spelling and grammer just isnt that important here. Listen to the overall message in the posts, thats what is important. Most people that post here work six 8+ hours a day in a row, have court responsibilities, families, and A LOT have part time jobs as well. So excuse everyone for not spending the time to check their spelling or grammer, they just dont have that much to waste sitting in front of a computer. Quit nitpicking.
To 6/09/2007 02:11:00 AM,
Fucking-A right you are Sir! The best thing about finally making Sergeant-off the list with a few of the other unconnected M/2's-is that I'm not supporting the inbred Irish drinking club called FOP #7. Our President is not a sellout turkey and has big, big balls. Feel awful sorry for the patrolmen stuck with this incompetent, uneducated Donahue.
How about a realistic lunch period, say 40 minutes, on the clock? No extra time added onto the shift. Start at whatever time, end 8 hrs. later. 4- 10's or something similar that's good. Maybe if we had some more time with our families and loved ones, we wouldn't have so much alcoholism, binge drinking, and Abatte - type behavior. I don't think anyone who does real police work can really wind down with just 2 days off, especially after just working 6, then going back for 6 more. Have any real professionals done any research into this, and not just our screwballs? It seems to me that the police in many areas of the country that have a decent work schedule are a lot more content with their jobs than CPD guys. They probably don't do as much stupid shit either, b-cuz they have some time to wind down normally.
Having to work six days in a row is hard on us and really needs to change. For those that keep saying that like residency, "you knew it was like that when you took the job so quit complaining", there is nothing wrong with trying to change something that isnt working. Progress is built on change.
I would like to see them try out a 12 hour per day schedule that some suburbs have, and love. It runs in a 2 week cycle and then repeats. It comes out to 84 hours per 2-week period. They can either factor the extra 4 hours into an "unpaid" break throughout the 12 hour day (making it an 11.5 hour day), or officers can either take the 4 hours OT as pay, or comp time. 1st week: Work Sun, Wed, Thurs (off Mon, Teus, Fri, Sat), 2nd week: Work Mon, Teus, Fri, Sat (off Sun, Wed, Thurs). Every other weekend is a 3 day weekend and with having days off during the week the officers feel rested and are generally happier and healthier. Just a thought.
From a Retiree ,
Mark , Thanks for the FREE ambulance rides.
When it's all added up, you would not be saving any money living in a nice suburb.
6/09/2007 01:44:00 AM
Ok, even if we break even, I would rather LIVE IN A NICE SUBURB. Dope!!
a new work schedule is a good idea.
compression of maximum salary is also a good idea.
fto and det as a rank hmmm
correcting test right away after test is taken, its almost brilliant.
i got one, only allow so many special units so the city cant use the loophole about staffing and changing watches.
TRU
SOS
TAC
GANGS
MISSION TEAMS
GUN TEAMS
THE KIDS NEED THE FOP TO WATCH OUT 4 THEM TOO EVEN THOU THEY ARE NOT SMART ENUFF TOO.
i have 3 in catholic school. have 15 yoa & 8 yoa rides. our last vacation was to starved rock for 2 days, the one before that was lake geneva for 2 days. that was in the last 3 years. i don't go drinkin'
i brown bag it and i'm barely making it. 2 side jobs help but maybe i should go to SOS
Anonymous said...
Having to work six days in a row is hard on us and really needs to change. For those that keep saying that like residency, "you knew it was like that when you took the job so quit complaining", there is nothing wrong with trying to change something that isnt working. Progress is built on change.
I would like to see them try out a 12 hour per day schedule that some suburbs have, and love. It runs in a 2 week cycle and then repeats. It comes out to 84 hours per 2-week period. They can either factor the extra 4 hours into an "unpaid" break throughout the 12 hour day (making it an 11.5 hour day), or officers can either take the 4 hours OT as pay, or comp time. 1st week: Work Sun, Wed, Thurs (off Mon, Teus, Fri, Sat), 2nd week: Work Mon, Teus, Fri, Sat (off Sun, Wed, Thurs). Every other weekend is a 3 day weekend and with having days off during the week the officers feel rested and are generally happier and healthier. Just a thought.
6/11/2007 01:39:00 AM
That is almost the same schdule all the D-3 guys are making as bodygurads some are work 1 12hr day off one, others 2 on 3 OFF, plus overtime this would be great! why can't we all have this schedule? Guess we have no clout! Sorry!
Also what about the drunk kid and the cover up?
6/10/2007 04:14:00 PM
Is that the guy from the mayors detail or burkes?
who wants to be happy or healthy anyway. look at the shape the dept. exempt s are in.
No city stickers and no water bills, tax credit for being forced to live here for CPD would be a nice start.Interest on retro checks while "negotiations" (staling) are ongoing. Not everyone is Catholic, please lift the residency rule. If every CPD member left the city, who would be our next Mayor?
6/10/2007 07:59:00 PM
I have the same duties as any copper, as I'm sure you do. We manage to spell correctly?
get the saliva ready boys cause its gonna be a rough one. the least they can do is look at us while they fxxK us
I'm sorry. Did I read that right. Who says that we have to send our kids to school in this city. Last time I checked you can send your kids to any school you like. As long as it isnt a suburban public school.
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There are police officers and supervisors who send their kids to public suburban schools. I did
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