BINGO!
From an anonymous poster:
- Nothing new about the cameras, they are worthless. Put up a camera in the ghetto and the only thing you accomplish is driving the dealers deeper into the neighborhood, away from the prying eye. Put cameras up in the urban areas and you get sensational video of things getting blown up. Remember the videos of the bombings in Spain and London? Great footage, not an ounce of prevention. You think a suicide bomber cares that he is caught on tape blowing himself up? No, the footage actually promotes his cause. You think we need cameras for a successful prosecution? The odds that anyone can be positively ID'ed by one of these camera images is slim at best. Cameras do not prevent shit. The public has been bamboozled into thinking these things actually do anything but make for great news clips. The same clown who fleeced the CPD is now the same clown that brought his act to CTA. Smoke and mirrors on the taxpayers dime.
This writer nails just about everything we've been trying to say about video surveillance for a while now. These cameras only provide the illusion of security and supply the nightly news with spectacular footage of the failures of actually having trained police on the ground.
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posted by SCC at 12:04 AM
22 Comments:
It is suprising to me SCC that you have such a "closed mind" and "narrow perspective" about the use of cameras. Video surveillance has been a proven entity in both law enforcment and private sector ever since the technology matured to allow its use.
You will not find anyone, including Ron Huberman that would claim that cameras alone can solve and/or deter all crime. It is a well known fact that this is an impossibility, but that cameras are an important piece to the law enforcement puzzle.
When you combine the street copper, intelligence, specialized units, directed enforcement action, cameras and any number of other pieces of law enforcement you start to see an extremely effective force to deter, prevent and solve crime.
The comment that you posted was written by someone who has no vision of the bigger picture. He/she made a statement that "cameras just drive them deeper into the neighborhood away from the prying eye" That comment is 100% correct and was the whole point of the cameras in the first place. When "shithead" is driven inside, the good people regain their streets, there are less shootings because nobody is hanging on the corner, the less shootings there are the less homicides there will be and then once inside units like vice and narcotics can build conspiracy cases and take down the entire criminal element instead of knocking off 1 baggers.
In law enforcement you can never have to many eyes and that is exactly what cameras are. Time and time again cameras catch the bad guy, the 9/11 hijackers were caught on surveillance cameras, if it wasnt for an inadequate intelligence system and breakdowns in the human side of law enforcement those images might have meant something more than just a record of the people who are trying to cause us harm.
I am in no way saying that cameras are the answer, but I do see there purpose, importance and how they fit in the larger law enforcement picture. Cameras create more than an illusion of safety and security to the public, they are one of many tools that help us provide it.
LOOK ! the city is not interested unless a cronie profits. what part of this don't you understand ?
Boy i wish i was related to Rahm Emanuel.....
send the footage to youtube as i said before. thats all it's good for.
LETS PUT THEM IN ALL CARS THE CITY OWNS! LIKE ALL THE MAYORS CARS,EDDIE BURKES CARS,THE TREASURERS CARS,THE CLERKS CAR, ETC.. THEN WE COULD SEE HOW THE CITY IS REALLY RUN! TEXAS HOLD EM ANYONE?
I work in 008 and a few months back I asked if I could check out one of the boxes that link's up to the camera's to use in the car remotely and no one know's where these boxes are, they suggested "They might be in the tact office" I went to go ask there of course no one there knew about them either. I thought these were supposed to be readily available for us to use? But then again I would'nt be able to use it after getting stacked with 12 jobs out of roll call because as I was told "We are short on manpower". If thats the case, how come no openings for bid's into 008?
As a dick I've requested pod videos and they're usually useless. You get a panning shot of the side of a building ten to fifteen feet in the air.
What happended to the so-called technology of the camera responding to gun fire?
Speak the truth and they will get you.
7/09/2007 02:37:00 AM
Anonymous said...
It is suprising to me SCC that you have such a "closed mind" and "narrow perspective" about the use of cameras. Video surveillance has been a proven entity in both law enforcment and private sector ever since the technology matured to allow its use......
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I would bet this person works at the fusion center. I don't think i'm completely buying what you're selling here.
Cameras are bullshit! You're correct SCC, they are nothing more than a historian of the fact AFTER it has occurred. In all the years we've had PODS they finally used to as evidence in the 1st homicide (in 010)! What? If they're so good why haven't we been catching murderers on a regular basis, what with the cameras being mounted in the high crime violence zones? Because you still need a body, a cop, to go out there and ARREST the bad guy. Here's a clue Mr. Administrator: more cops on the street, less crime; more shitheads in prison. More technology means less cops on the street, like it is today, and you will see a rising crime rate. What this dept. needs most is a return to the basics of policing: hunt the bad guy and lock him up.
"He/she made a statement that "cameras just drive them deeper into the neighborhood away from the prying eye" That comment is 100% correct and was the whole point of the cameras in the first place. When "shithead" is driven inside, the good people regain their streets, there are less shootings because nobody is hanging on the corner, the less shootings there are the less homicides there will be and then once inside units like vice and narcotics can build conspiracy cases and take down the entire criminal element instead of knocking off 1 baggers."
I posted the original comment and I am glad you agree. However, you are not driving shithead inside, what you are doing is driving shithead off of Chicago Ave to stand in front of somebody's house on what may have been a decent block in a a very depressed area (yes there are some good people that live in these neighborhoods belive it or not). If I am a homeowner there, I would rather they had just stayed on Chicago Ave away from the front of my house and outside of firing range of my kids. The "big picture" should include a plan that includes more than just sporadic deployment of a few cameras, but by putting up a camera the city can display how "cutting edge" the Department is. It is really a dog and pony show. The new "gunshot detectors" in the cameras are equally worthless, in most cases by the time a camera reacts the shooting is over and there is nothing left to record but the victims laying on the ground - great TV footage.
Nothing can take the place of boots on the ground, and this administration has no interest in providing us with a full compliment of officers. It is much cheaper for smoke and mirrors and makes for better TV.
First posting=Huberman reads SCC!
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.....And who is watching the camera's?. We are short of people on the street and you demand the teams do a PDT mission each day, along with all the other missions we have to do. Then you have some nimrod call out on the zone that there are some "drinkers" on camera and want us to go lock them up just to get a positive mission for the PDT mission. I have used the camera's to good effect but inevitably, some jerk takes over the camera when I'm useing it to watch a dope spot and zooms in on something else. Hey jerk, and I mean the guy that takes over the camera when it's already being used, stop that! I have people waiting to make a bust and you are interfearing in an investigation.If you want these things to work, let the guys who are experienced on the street do the job, not some jerk "Desk jockey" who couldn't do a surveillance on his own dog.JERK!
Check out what happened recently in 012!
http://copcardotcom.fotki.com/photographs_of_greg/greg_reynolds--chic/3.html
I will say this, i too don't like the waste of money cameras and the high tech 1984 surveillance world we are turning into BUT i is wrong to say that they did nothing for example in London. Yes they don't prevent, but the reason the doctors that carried out the bombings got caught was because of the cameras. at least they did not have the chance to do it again. Their vehicles were on camera for days prior casing the area out...and thats where the leads came from.
No, the cameras don't lead to too many arrests, but they move people around, and that's progress on two fronts. One is, you get the people looking to buy dope driving around a little bit longer, and when you see the car registered to a Schaumburg address make its second loop around the block, that's probable cause in my book.
Second, taking the dope throwers into new territory hurts them, at least a little bit. I had a few chases where I later found the back door or the extra path that I didn't know about, and making the dealers get a little further from their hidey-holes will make them a little less cmfortable in doing business.
Plus, there's the cost. One camera, over its entire working life, costs a fraction of what the city spends on one officer working for one year. No, they'll never replace a smart officer who knows what he or she is doing, but they have a positive impact, however small.
What happended to the so-called technology of the camera responding to gun fire?
7/09/2007 10:03:00 AM
They have the technology-- but they are only active in 011. They can pinpoint the area a gunshot came from down to 3 feet with microphone triangulation. Heard it in action at the Fusion center-- its pretty cool actually.
That camera/pod did not catch the shooters from the 010th District. They were caught because a civilian chased them and crashed into their getaway car. The only thing the camera caught was the two mopes running to the car, not the actual incident. Not to mention, have you ever seen the images from these cameras? The images suck.
Will you guys stop using the term "boots on the ground". We are not in the Army. WTF does it mean anyway?
"Will you guys stop using the term "boots on the ground". We are not in the Army. WTF does it mean anyway?"
It's PNAC,AIPAC Speak for the US Military Cannon fodder for the greater Corporate Good. Send Dummy Rummy a note perhaps he could explain it more in detail, and why he bankrupted your Great Grandchildrens future.
Since King Daley is going to Rio does that me someone is going to get indicted sometime this week?
The camera cannot stop the crime, but it can make it much harder to get away with the crime. (That's why Vegas has so many cameras, including cameras on all of the tables and money-counting areas.) That in turn deters crime, unless the criminal is crazy/drunk/high/etc. Of course it is necessary to have good cameras, maintain them, keep them in focus, etc. or the video footage is worthless. Most surveillance cams are not properly supported. I would like to see an audit of Chicago's surv-cams: stage a "crime" in view of each camera, and see if the video actually catches any useful detail.
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