Something Fishy Going On?
OK, we know this place is like Rumor Central on steroids. BS flies fast and thick. A prime example in the comments about the new gun order:
- Anonymous said... The range training fee is to be about $100. The training will take place at Area 2. Your watch commander must sign off on it.
We can understand the training for an optional new weapon should be done off duty. This isn't a required change of equipment so no expectation of Department funded training is forthcoming. But what's this about a $100 range fee? We already have to give up two days off for training - now they want $100 too? Something smells about this one.
Everyone is jumping to conclusions on this event already and there isn't even an official published order yet. Let's everyone step back, take a deep breath, and wait for the signed order and training schedules to be published and see if this $100 fee is even part of the equation.
Everyone is jumping to conclusions on this event already and there isn't even an official published order yet. Let's everyone step back, take a deep breath, and wait for the signed order and training schedules to be published and see if this $100 fee is even part of the equation.
Labels: department issues, gun issues
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
54 Comments:
You will need to bring your own ammo for the course. Its about 500 rounds (Ten boxes)
Why wasn't the Uzi 9mm and phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range included in this order? I smell a rat!
90% of you Gen-X'ers cant or wont shoot the gun you own now..... as Bill Murray would say....relax Francis!
off topic:
025 WAGON JUST GOT TOTALED ON THE CORNER OF FULLERTON AND CICERO. I THINK COPS ARE FINE.. GOD BLESS
hey yeaah everything bad is about to happen,,,,,fuk k relax
Gotta pay for the Olympics somehow.
This is to pay for Phils party.
Chicago,the city of graft.
Off the topic: Is it true a certain A/3 sat sgt is coming back to work from his B.S. traffic crash injuries only after he found out a replacement was on the way or did he just miss "GIGGLES"? DIP IT
For $19.99 a month you can pay the city to have a MDT in your squad car.
You mean no wink and nod and I'm ready to go?
There will now be a $2.00 a round service fee for duty ammo.Gang infiltrators/sympathizers may use their LINK cards for volume discounts.
Going to be a bunch of coppers who shoot their toes off.
Da mayor sez "dis isnt Iraq" Therefore,he wants all of uz to turn in your guns immediately.
Then, he wants u to walk down your block and if there's any bangers/dealers, he wants u to tell them your not going to stand for this anymore!!(unarmed of course)
Why do u people keep voting for this idiot?
Never will happen....even in this f-ed up city, and even more f-ed police department.
Wagon racing around in 025? Must be one of those hotdog crews. Oh well, that truck sucked anyway.
When I see the G.O. I'll believe it.
the fee is true. heard about that along time ago. the new guns are cheaper than teh sigs and such, but the fee, the missed days, the ammo, the new belt gear. propably run you more than $1000
all of this bec some stupid boss for get to clear the chamber before cleaning the test model gun!
Anonymous said...
90% of you Gen-X'ers cant or wont shoot the gun you own now..... as Bill Murray would say....relax Francis!
7/08/2007 02:38:00 AM
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Funny, all the shootings I see CPD in are with younger PO's, guys in their 20's and 30's.
Now go get your coffee and try not to forget where the station is dinasour.
GO ON MY OWN TIME AND PAY WHAT A GREAT IDEA.
MAY BE I CAN PICK MY OWN DOCTOR TO ADIMINISTOR MY DRUG TEST THAT THE DEPARMENT SEEMS TO PICK ME FOR EVERY 14 MONTHS. ITS RANDOM RIGHT?
LET SEE GO ON MY OWN TIME FOR
NEW GUNS
AUX GUN
TASER TRAINING
DOESNT LOOK LIKE CLINE CARES TOO MUCH TO SEE HIS OFFICER WITH THE BEST TRAINING THEY CAN HAVE FOR THEIR DEFENSE.
MANDATORY TARA TRAINING HAS 100 SOME PEOPLE A WEEK BECAUSE THE FEDS PICKED UP THE BILL.
CMON DVD'S AND CIGARETTES. TEACH THESE BOYS OUT HERE HOW TO INTERVIEW,TAKE NOTES AND WRITE A NARRATIVE THAT WILL STAND IN COURT.
Could somebody please give some pros and cons on the glock and the smith mp? I would like to swith to one of these but would sure like if someone with better knowledge could give some insight.
Sorry to take us off such an interesting topic. BUT...
Lately not only in Chicago but around the country I see all these shitbird,scumbag,criminals getting parole, probation, or other early releases and then getting on the streets and commiting more henious crimes than what they were originally locked for. This really, really pisses me off! Because not only is it dangerous to the average citizen but twice and dangerous to us the POLICE.
Case in point, in today's SCUM TIMES I read how some murderous asshole ( ALREADY "CONVICTED" MIND YOU FOR ATTEMPTED MURDER, AND OTHER WEAPONS VIOLATIONS AND VIOLENT CRIMES in 1996) gets out and shoots up 59th and Calumet amd then gets curbed by the police an hour later at 59th and Indiana and he kills himself (That's the only good part about the whole story). Fortunately no Police Officers got hurt but that's beside the point.
We are held to this HIGH standard that we are not allowed to make any mistakes and are quickly punished for it. (In most cases it's warranted). YET!!! These liberal punk ass JUDGES fuck up all the time and they are never dealt with. A system needs to be put into place like OPS / IAD that quickly takes Judges off the bench that break the law or fail to follow judicial procedures. AND DON'T TELL ME ABOUT THE ARDC because that's a joke. First it's all Judges, Former Judges, and Lawyers that make up that organization so you can forget that. It should be eliminated.
Second the ASA's that screw up should be dealt with too.
There should be a investigative body that investigates misconduct by all lawyers and Judges. And this board should be a bi-partisan civilian panel that is appointed by a commitee from the state, and that all canidates for this organization will not be a crony of ANY elected official so as to avoid any appearence of tampering with the process. They should have subpeona power and answer only to the attorney general to forward a case for prosecution,disciplne, or censure.
That way we can insure that ALL defendants and VICTIMS are treated fairly. And these cocky arrogant lawyers/judges will conduct themselves accordingly and when some dirtbag criminal like the one mentioned above commits a crime after getting out EARLIER than the law allows that everyone and I mean EVERYONE involved in this goof getting back on the street are quickly punished!
END OF RANT...
who acres what you carry? I have a 6 shot and shoot rings around the new kids! Not how many you shoot but can you hit target? "well can you punk"?
I just read Sneed's column about the top three picks Williams, Grau and Maher. Do you think Daley will pick from one of these or send out for more. As soon as he picks, is Starts out? The mayor wants a smooth transition which is why Cline is staying. Who will be helped or hurt by each of the three? There will be a great deal of movement soon.
Where's the new gun odor? Someone is getting their cut $$$$ Call in the Feds for wire tapping. This is a new scandal brewing.......
Off topic - something fishing. I understand from very reliable sources T.F. and B.D. from FOP are not paying their proper child support. Boys pay up.
Anonymous said...
off topic:
025 WAGON JUST GOT TOTALED ON THE CORNER OF FULLERTON AND CICERO. I THINK COPS ARE FINE.. GOD BLESS
7/08/2007 03:38:00 AM
ACTUALLY ONE SUFFERED A BROKEN ANKLE AND THE OTHER ONE MINOR CUTS AND BRUISES...
You nitwits kill me. No there is no Range Fee, yes you will need your own ammo, 400 rounds ball, 100 rd duty. Yes, it's on your own time and will be at a north side and a south side range. 2 days for officers wishing to use a striker fired hired after 01 dec 1991 and 3 days for officers fired before dec 01 1991 wishing to use a striker fired. Officers wishing to use a conventional firing system and have it registered before some date in about 1991 may use this as their prescribed, but will need either attend a 3 hour or 3 day class. Don't be the first to carry a striker fired if you have not attended the transition course. The punishment will start at 15 days. If you have a 229 DAK, don't bother changing. That's a nice gun with a 6.5 pound trigger. Be safe, love each other, and hope it doesn't get worse.
Anonymous said...
Going to be a bunch of coppers who shoot their toes off.
7/08/2007 10:09:00 AM
Good,those that do have no place in policework.
I'll stick with my good old Sig 220 w/o the K-trigger. Shoots well and has never let me down. A wise old timer once told me,"No gun in the world will make you a better shooter, only practice will." Stay safe and look out for each other, we really are all we have.
This sight is awesome. We have a bunch of tuff guys taking about the type of gun they want to have "when the shit goes down" eventhough most coppers won't ever draw these guns, but nobody wants to take any action about the contract - which will definately effect everyone. I think the $100 is a well deserved idiot tax.
Just give me a tazer...that's all I need...
Like the $2 a paycheck for medical insurance.
Anonymous said...
Off topic - something fishing. I understand from very reliable sources T.F. and B.D. from FOP are not paying their proper child support. Boys pay up.
7/08/2007 04:01:00 PM
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You are the reason this job sucks and morale is garbage, why our raises suck, why the medical is so high and we get used and pushed around! You are a bitch! A "brother"/copper that spreads bs and loves it is a piece of shit. Wonder why we cant get anything we need and want ? No one sticks together and shuts their mouths, mind your own family dickwad
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
90% of you Gen-X'ers cant or wont shoot the gun you own now..... as Bill Murray would say....relax Francis!
7/08/2007 02:38:00 AM
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Funny, all the shootings I see CPD in are with younger PO's, guys in their 20's and 30's.
Now go get your coffee and try not to forget where the station is dinasour.
7/08/2007 12:28:00 PM
Hey you slick sleeve mother fucker I'm 41 and been in three, don,t forget where my cock is to suck.
Could somebody please give some pros and cons on the glock and the smith mp? I would like to swith to one of these but would sure like if someone with better knowledge could give some insight.
7/08/2007 01:40:00 PM
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The best solution would be to rent them, shoot them and decide which is best for YOU! After renting and shooting a Springfield XD-45, I bought one that day, so don't scratch the Springfield from your list.
To : 7/08/2007 11:56:00 PM
And how old were you for those shootings telephone tough guy?
I'm guessing in your 20's or 30's unless you've been in three shootings in two years.
stick w/ your sig 220 BUT carry a back up ! i, along w/2 other coppers have experienced catostrophic failure of the trigger return spring. fortunatly, at the range. this is a .50 cent part that, upon failure, renders your weapon all but useless.
love your sig but know its weakness.
Hey you slick sleeve mother fucker I'm 41 and been in three, don,t forget where my cock is to suck.
7/08/2007 11:56:00 PM
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You've got some real classy posters SCC.
Anonymous said...
90% of you Gen-X'ers cant or wont shoot the gun you own now..... as Bill Murray would say....relax Francis!
7/08/2007 02:38:00 AM
hey get off of your old timer job dodging ass and shut your hole. You guys complain about more shit than I have ever seen and do less work than any one out there.
hey get off of your old timer job dodging ass and shut your hole. You guys complain about more shit than I have ever seen and do less work than any one out there.
7/09/2007 07:57:00 AM
RELAX MY CHILD! YOU WORK HARD I WILL WATCH! "IDIOT IN SCHOOL NOW YOU WORK HARD"! WHAT COLLEGE DID YOU GO TO? LET ME GUESS "FAILURE UNIVERSITY"! THAT IS WHY YOU JOINED CPD RIGHT SON? BE A GOOD BOY AND LET DADDY AND MOMMY WATCH YOU WORK HARD WHILE I REST UNDER THIS TREE READING MY PAPER AND DRINKING MY 5TH CUP OF COFFEE! PENSION IN 4 YEARS THEN YOU KEEP WORKING HARD WHILE ALL YOUR FRIENDS LIKE BUFFY AND JODY LIVE IN A NICE SUBURB SEND THEIR KIDS TO NICE PUBLIC SCHOOL MAKE MORE MONEY THAN YOU AND HAVE ADVANCEMNET POTENTIAL YOU WILL STILL BE IN "THE JUNGLE" CHASING BAD GUYS! BY THE WAY CATHOLIC SCHOOL TUITION IS RISING DON'T FORGET TO WORK PART TIME AT WALGREENS FOR $12 AN HOUR WHILE ME AND MY OLD TIMER CREW WORK SPECAIL AT THE AIRPORTS FOR $60 PER HOUR ONE DAY YOU WILL BE THERE FOR NOW WORK HARD WE WILL WATCH! KEEP YOU GLOVES ON AND YOU HAIR GELLED AND WORK OUT AT THE GYM PUMP UP WITH ROIDS BIG GUY WE LOVE IT!
12:31 hilarious...good one. "Hey only what you see pal"
Maybe the $100 fee will go to reimburse the manufacturers since they each gave Plotke and Sesso free guns. I know Glock actually gave each of them at least 4 free to keep once they approved them. Nice little perks
The Department can't charge us $100.00, but only make us buy our own ammo. When we get tasers next year, are they going to charge us for that shit too? I don't think so. Who's ever in charge GET THE NEW WEAPONS ORDER THROUGH. QUIT STALLING ON THE NEW GUN ORDER.
"hey get off of your old timer job dodging ass and shut your hole. You guys complain about more shit than I have ever seen and do less work than any one out there."
We do it because it bugs the crap out of you.
When you were sucking Mommys teat, I was in the mix daily. I'll put my numbers up to your's even now clown. I'll be long gone when and if you reach the point I'm @ in your career. Let's see who the lazy ass is then.
But for now,SHUT IT! YOU HAVEN'T EARNED THE RIGHT TO CRITICIZE ME!!
My GOD, we have some sensitive people here don't we. Well I would agree with the old farts IF we could actually carry .357 ammo in our .357's, but that has been deemed overkill by the brass who don't know squat about guns. Smith and Wesson makes a great revovler and I would be happy to carry one if we could feed it propper ammo. I do like the new 9mm load we can carry but it's still 9mm, might as well have a .38. The .40 is a good round but would be better if it was streched back to it's original 10mm, the Bren 10 is a kick ass gun. My Sig 220 is a great gun too and I have never had (or even heard of) the trigger return spring failure, care to expound on that officer?Is there a safety bulletin on it? My only real complaint on the Sig is the parkerized finish sucks and it tends to rust if not looked after constantly. I think if I was to purchase a new gun I would go for the .40, still carry the Sig 220, but I like the idea of a larger than 9mm or .38 back up.What I don't understand is, why is there a two day training course for striker fired weapons? It's a pistol,this isn't rocket science, this could be taught in a half hour or an hour at worst. The real problem is most cops aren't gun people. Most wear it(the gun) as jewelry or a status symbol, it's a tool which you should be totaly familiar with regardless of caliber.This also brings up another point that I am displeased with. Why, when we qualify, are we Bullseye shooting when we should be Combat shooting. They are very different techniques and in a stressful situation, Combat shooting always wins out.
Hey Cooter,, stop posting that B/S about your shootings. Yes, when you gave your age and the number of shootings you have been in, even a CPD detective could have figured out who you are.
To; 7/09/2007 02:38:00 PM
You said,
"I think if I was to purchase a new gun I would go for the .40, still carry the Sig 220, but I like the idea of a larger than 9mm or .38 back up".
9mm = .38 Cal
10mm = .40 Cal
By going to the .40 Cal from a 9mm makes no sense., it's 1mm bigger and about the same volocity.
Get a higher grain bullet with a higher volocity for your 9mm. Then put the money you were going to spend on a new gun in the bank for your retirement.
If you need to upgrade form your 9mm, get a .45... Now before all you experts start sniping at me. I Am not saying the .40 Cal is a bad round. Just saying there is no real tactical advantage by going from the 9mm to that .40 Cal...
Anonymous said...
Why wasn't the Uzi 9mm and phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range included in this order? I smell a rat!
7/08/2007 12:31:00 AM
the rock said...
12:31 hilarious...good one. "Hey only what you see pal"
7/09/2007 12:14:00 PM
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I thought the.45 long slide with laser sighting was included in the order?
"ANY OF THESE WEAPONS IN PERFECT FOR HOME DEFENSE, I MAY JUST CLOSE EARLY TODAY"
I see you guys use your free time wisely......I KNOW ,I KNOW ....FUCK YOU ASSHOLE!!!
you mean I have to shoot my new gun?
WRONG WRONG WRONG
9mm = .38 Cal
10mm = .40 Cal
Correct9mm=.355
You flunked ballistics 101,maybe Thats why I get $300 hr as a consultant Guns&Ammo boy.
By going to the .40 Cal from a 9mm makes no sense., it's 1mm bigger and about the same volocity.
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BS:9mm 127gr Ranger SXT +P+ goes about 1300+fps
.40 cal 180gr ranger SXT goes about 950fps.
The trigger reset spring failure is actually quite common. I had such a failure during qualifications.
For my weapon (a DAO baretta) I only needed to flip the trigger forward manually to fire the weapon. For sure, not a good thing, but could be worse.
Still, this spring has a history of failures, is very cheap, and not too difficult to replace.
(If you got your pistol from Shore, Harvey will replace it for you in about 5 minutes).
11:08 was right. There is no real advantage in switching from the 9 to the 40. And his little chart comparing the different calibers was also right. The 40 was designed because the FBI was using the 10mm. The female agents couldn't handle it and wanted a round which was basically the same as the 10mm but still be able to handled by the female agents so S&W developed the .40 S&W. In many circles it's referred to as a short 10mm. Same thing with the 9mm. In many circles it's referred to as a 38 short. Point is that he was right. If you want to get a new gun and think that the 40 will solve all your woes, go ahead and get one.But a thinking man will realize that because there really is no tactical advantage by switching between the two, will keep his nine, do some research on which is the best 9mm bullet and then spend some more time at the range. As Jeff Cooper, considered by many to be THE MAN when it came to sidearms once said, "the 40 caliber bullet is a solution to a non-exsistent problem". The only real upgrade from a 9mm is to go to either the .357 (which once again is really nothing more than a souped up .38 ) which we can't carry or a .45 which we can. So the answer is obvious. ALL pistol rounds suck as a personal defense weapon. There is almost NO difference between any pistol round be it a 9,10,40,357 or 45. We carry pistols because we can't carry rifles.
sir donkey, esq said...
The trigger reset spring failure is actually quite common. I had such a failure during qualifications.
For my weapon (a DAO baretta) I only needed to flip the trigger forward manually to fire the weapon. For sure, not a good thing, but could be worse.
Still, this spring has a history of failures, is very cheap, and not too difficult to replace.
(If you got your pistol from Shore, Harvey will replace it for you in about 5 minutes).
7/11/2007 01:08:00 AM
Im a SIG armourer,Sir Donkey is correcto.Have a competant armourer look your duty weapon over annually.
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