Why Aldercreatures are Disliked
From a civilian reader:
- Interesting blog...I am not in the Police Department, but know both the Commander and the Alderman. I have had nothing but positive experiences with both. Although I'm sure Alderman have put their foot in their mouth (or ass, as it were)such as this case about chasing more important things (I cringed when I read that), I do not know where the hostility comes from regarding the Police vs. aldermen. I can only recall a few instances where one did not back the police fully- the Natarus incident over dogs and this. Speaking as a civilian, I don't get it. I don't remember the alderman going nuts over the bartender getting her ass kicked or even the Burge mess. Just curious where it comes from...
We can recall dozens of instances where the aldrecreatures didn't back the police when the police were in the right, many of them this year. Watch anytime the police shoot an offender. Aldercreatures routinely blame the police for being heavy handed and then for not being everywhere at once. Certain aldercreatures play the race game constantly. Some aldercreatures get cops bumped off of their cars for nonsense. Some aldercreatures were thugs and criminals before being elected. Some are still involved in criminal enterprises. It's more an institutional dislike, but the specifics abound. Readers?
Labels: city politics, scc responds
posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
34 Comments:
is that mary mitchell?
Aldermen support the police? HAH!
I know a certain south side commander whose position has been asked for several times by a certain female alderman in his district. Ask him if he thinks she supports him! But wait until he takes the knives out that she shoved in his back first.
For all you goofs going after Tunney, I recall that he PERSONALLY delivered dinner to Mike Ceriale's family and friends as they sat outside Cook County Hospital hoping for the best. He wasn't an Alderman then; just a restaurant owner who was friends with friends of Mike. I was there and saw him hauling trays of food and setting up a buffet.
If you saw his statement, the first thing he noted was his respect for the police. Go after the elected officials who show no repect, not a guy who actually has been a supporter.
My guess is that this thing between Tunney and 023 Cmdr all goes back to the unsolved rapes/assaults and the Cmdr using lack of manpower as his excuse...
The commenter asked a direct question, and you ducked it, SCC. Aldermen were very quiet about the various recent beatings of innocents administered by rogue cops. Overwhelmingly, the council has been quiet about the Burge stuff. A few voices have been raised after some specific incidents. The constant whining here and elsewhere makes it seem like cops have very thin skin.
And then there's the whole blue line thing, where cops, instead of blasting other cops who break the law, instead back them up. Like last night's post, where obviously, drunk cops were heading to their cars to drive home drunk. (Commanders don't send vehicles around to pick up sober cops so they don't have to drive home.) Yet, most of the people posting here acted like it was an outrage that the media would look into this, rather than acting like it was an outrage that cops were walking to their cars drunk.
If you want to be treated with respect, turn against those in your midst who deserve no respect. Coddling scummy cops is a big part of the problem.
I myself, for instance, do not hang symbols of my occupation from my rear-view mirror in the hope of getting special treatment. Loads of cops do this. It should turn your stomach every time you see it. It's corruption.
to 1:39am
Thanks for the pep talk!
Spoken like true media whore.
Hopefully you'll need a Policeman
soon, and he wont be around to save your liberal ass.
In the Burge case, we have our Aldermen calling for a way to get around the statute of limitations. That doesn't sound like being pro-police to me.
I myself, for instance, do not hang symbols of my occupation from my rear-view mirror in the hope of getting special treatment. Loads of cops do this. It should turn your stomach every time you see it. It's corruption.
10/17/2007 01:39:00 AM
So bankers never give bankers a break on rates? Tradesmen don't do work for each other? Doctors won't give each other free services? The list goes on and on.
If a Policeman gives another a break on a parking ticket, then that is corruption? If a Policeman parks his squad car in a no-parking zone while dining, then that is wrong too, though he can concievably be called for an emergency at any time and parking a block away could cost precious minutes? How about the "parking courtesy" we give to churches every week when cars are double and triple parked? What about when I give you a pass instead of a ticket even though you arent the Police? Is that corruption? Would you like to know how many times I have driven a motorist home who had been drinking who was not the Police? This list also can go on.
Corruption would be taking bribes for these things. You need to come out of your ivory tower and get a grip on reality.
Will I give a Brother in Blue a break if possible? Damn right! But don't call a courtesy "corruption."
Like last night's post, where obviously, drunk cops were heading to their cars to drive home drunk.---------I BELEIVE THE POST (MOST) SAID BE CAREFUL AT DUGANS, THE MEDIA IS WATCHING. WHO SAID THEY WERE DRUNK? DOES GOING INTO A BAR AFTER WORK AND HAVING A FEW BEERS MEAN YOU'RE DRUNK??? SEE YOU TOO (LIKE THE MEDIA IS TRYING TO DO) ASSUME THE WORST. OBVIOUSLY DRUNK? I STOP THERE ON OCCASSION TO SOCIALIZE WITH GUYS FROM WORK, AND I DON'T EVEN DRINK! BUT THE MEDIA (AND) YOU SEE ME WALKING OUT, AND ASSUME I'M A COP, AT DUGANS LATE, AND I'M DRUNK. PISS OFF!!
I myself, for instance, do not hang symbols of my occupation from my rear-view mirror in the hope of getting special treatment. Loads of cops do this. It should turn your stomach every time you see it. It's corruption
No, your probably the person who drives home with their uniform on....and have never asked for professional courteousy when pulled over by another cop...yeah right.
"Yet, most of the people posting here acted like it was an outrage that the media would look into this, rather than acting like it was an outrage that cops were walking to their cars drunk."
A PARDON ME BITCH, DID YOU KNOW W/ REASONABLE CERTAINY THESE OFFCIERS WERE INTOXICATED? PRETTY SLANDEROUS. IF YOU DO HAPPEN TO WEAR THE UNIFORM, MAKE SURE YOU CALL FOR THE TEETOTALERS TO ASSIST YOU WHEN YOU'RE GETTING YOUR TAIL KICKED, WHICH I'M SURE HAPPENS PRETTY OFTEN...
Anonymous said...
For all you goofs going after Tunney, I recall that he PERSONALLY delivered dinner to Mike Ceriale's family and friends as they sat outside Cook County Hospital hoping for the best. He wasn't an Alderman then; just a restaurant owner who was friends with friends of Mike. I was there and saw him hauling trays of food and setting up a buffet.
If you saw his statement, the first thing he noted was his respect for the police. Go after the elected officials who show no repect, not a guy who actually has been a supporter.
My guess is that this thing between Tunney and 023 Cmdr all goes back to the unsolved rapes/assaults and the Cmdr using lack of manpower as his excuse...
10/17/2007 12:41:00 AM
Its really great that he was a supporter, or that maybe he still is but had a bad day. Just remember when you are jogging, and that dog breaks loose and bites your ankles, severing your achillies....you have to use the same reasoning....its a sweet dog, never done that before....i'm sure you'll just crawl home, no hard feelings!
I myself, for instance, do not hang symbols of my occupation from my rear-view mirror in the hope of getting special treatment. Loads of cops do this. It should turn your stomach every time you see it. It's corruption.
10/17/2007 01:39:00 AM
Let me guess, you couldn't hang democrat the donkey from your mirror?
They vote themselves raises. On weekends that is, to avoid the weekday media.
They make well over 100 thousand for a part time job. They rubber stamp Daley.
With all the gangbanging crime the only solutions they come up with are to ban the force feeding of ducks and a cellphone ban. Oh yeah, no skate boarding on downtown streets. When an ex-Alderbum wanted to have a street named after a Black Panther(terrorist) how many said a word? Cowards! Yes, our own bosses remained silent. They too are COWARDS. Alderbum Beavers frequently bashed the police.
They might not verbally bash us on a regular bases, but they also don't vebally support us. They are to busy getting over paid to pay attention.
For the most part they are useless. Why 50? We only have 25 districts. I'm sure we can get the same lack of support with 25.
When people say, well we got a new library or our streets got paved, our Alderbum is doing his job. Well news flash, thats what our taxes are for. They are not doing you any favors. Yes, when someone steals your garbage can you should immediatly get a new one. That's why you pay taxes. They have people fooled into believing that what they do for you is extra.
It's not. We don't need them.
For years, Officer Dannye Ward has worked Beat 1014. He has earned the admiration and respect of his fellow officers as well as the good citizens and merchants in the area of 16th St. and Hamlin Ave. Children attending nearby William Penn Elementary School even regard Officer Ward as a role model--and Dannye knows who the bad guys are.
Having spent most of my career in the Detective Division, I have investigated unsolved homicides and Part I crime patterns. In my experience, I have found the likes of Officer Ward as an invaluable source of information in clearing such unsolved cases occurring on or near their assigned beat.
Enter newly elected 24th Ward Ald.
Sharon Dixon. For petty personal reasons, she took a dislike for Officer Ward. She then contacted either City Hall and/or CPD HQ and had Ward moved out of her bailiwick into the south of 010. I also understand that Officer Ward no habla espanol.
While I had never met Officer Ward, this abuse of political power struck a raw nerve. On several occasions, I drove out to 010 and personally looked into the matter. It wasn't just the venerable Dave Snethen who had the highest praise for Ward as an outstanding police officer. I spoke to some of the day crew in 010. Unanimously, they aqreed that the brass was fucking over Dannye Ward. I also learned that this harassment reportedly originated from above the rank of 10th District Commander Beatrice Cuello.
I phoned Dana Starks and Charles Williams, both being "unavailable". Neither had the common decency to return my calls.
I then phoned Everett Johnson, the Area 4 Deputy Chief of Patrol. In a polite exchange, Johnson refused to comment on the Dixon-Ward situation other than to say that he believes that aldermen actually have an unfettered right to have a police officer removed from their respective ward, regardless of the circumstances.
Conversely, considering the well-established fact of the insurmountable influence of Daley and city council members' use of CLOUT in backing incompetent political hacks to exempt positions and captains, the despicable treatment of Officer Dannye Ward should come as no surprise to anyone.
Unless and until the demoralizing effects of CLOUT are minimized, if not eliminated from the CPD, lofty and noble goals such as excellence, integrity and professionalism are unattainable and virtually meaningless.
Yet the local media steadfastly refuse to expose the transparent cancer of CLOUT in promotions and assignments.
I dont have a problem with tunney personally, as i dont know him. But dont go in the media and ask "why are coppers enforcing this phone law when they are so understaffed and there are other crimes to solve." HE VOTED TO MAKE IT A LAW, MORON! And we are understaffed all over the city because the mayor and his aldermen refuse to go out and hire police. So he is a dumbass for making those fucking comments. If you happen to be one of his political bitches, go ahead and keep ringing doorbells for him. But what he said was BULLSHIT! Pure and simple
Overwhelmingly, the council has been quiet about the Burge stuff.
You're kidding right? we never stop hearing about Burge, even after the statute of limitations was up they were still trying to find a way to get him, stop paying his pension, even though he was never convicted of a crime, the south and west side alderman are always complaining about police brutality and yet call the Commander or Watch Commander on the direct line when they feel they need their own personal police response.
Like last night's post, where obviously, drunk cops were heading to their cars to drive home drunk. (Commanders don't send vehicles around to pick up sober cops so they don't have to drive home.) Yet, most of the people posting here acted like it was an outrage that the media would look into this, rather than acting like it was an outrage that cops were walking to their cars drunk.
Why doesn't the media follow their own out of billy goats downtown on any given night and question them, how about following around doctors and lawyers? noo it's open season on the police with no respect for private lives anymore, if you don't see this your nuts.
If you want to be treated with respect, turn against those in your midst who deserve no respect. Coddling scummy cops is a big part of the problem.
I haven't seen a "scummy cop," which i'm not sure exactly what that is, being coddled on this blog, anyone accused of miscounduct is investigated and dealt with, Finnigan and crew have been lambasted on here by most posters so I don't know where you are going with that.
I myself, for instance, do not hang symbols of my occupation from my rear-view mirror in the hope of getting special treatment. Loads of cops do this. It should turn your stomach every time you see it. It's corruption.
Call it what you want, and i'm not a proponent of that, but every job has it's perks, and each occupation takes care of their own, always has, sorry if your occupation doesn't aid you in your day to day activities.... seems like you generally have disdain for the police, maybe you should try another blog, just a thought.....
139am post. Police? Not likely! Does the media follow plumbers to bars AFTER WORK? Do they follow traders? Do they follow their own? Follow walter Jacobsen and report on him, before you go criticizing others. DUMBASS, you are either a menber of the media or a citizen that has been locked up numerous times. As for coddling scummy cops. WE Dont. How many posts on here have been in support of thos SOS idiots? Very few. I dont like seeing a friend or co worker go to prison, just as Im sure you wouldnt. That doesnt mean we SUPPORT them. You are a DUMBASS
Anonymous said...
The commenter asked a direct question, and you ducked it, SCC. Aldermen were very quiet about the various recent beatings of innocents administered by rogue cops. Overwhelmingly, the council has been quiet about the Burge stuff. A few voices have been raised after some specific incidents. The constant whining here and elsewhere makes it seem like cops have very thin skin.
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Most cops don't have thin skin, however, most Coppers can call a turd a turd. The percentage of Coppers that engage in criminality and or brutality is astoundingly low. In fact, Coppers usually err on the side of lack of force. Now the Cmdr Burge situation. I believe that Cmdr Burge and his subordinates were doing the lords work getting the evildoers. I hope he is enjoying retirement and continues to enjoy his well deserved retirement for many many years
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And then there's the whole blue line thing, where cops, instead of blasting other cops who break the law, instead back them up. Like last night's post, where obviously, drunk cops were heading to their cars to drive home drunk. (Commanders don't send vehicles around to pick up sober cops so they don't have to drive home.)
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Newsflash!!! unless you have probable cause you cannot be charged with a crime. Just because you get into a car after having a few pops doesn't make you a 501. I am not even going to go into the folly of the hyper enforcement of DUI statutes, which is just lawyer BS.
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Yet, most of the people posting here acted like it was an outrage that the media would look into this, rather than acting like it was an outrage that cops were walking to their cars drunk.
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fact not in evidence asshat.-
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If you want to be treated with respect, turn against those in your midst who deserve no respect. Coddling scummy cops is a big part of the problem.
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Watch your mouth keyboard cowboy.
No Copper condones corrupt cops.
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I myself, for instance, do not hang symbols of my occupation from my rear-view mirror in the hope of getting special treatment. Loads of cops do this. It should turn your stomach every time you see it. It's corruption.
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Uh, no it's not corruption, it is in my OPINION a silly thing to do. I don't have anything on my vehicles IDing me as the Police because I don't want my car vandalized or broken into in hopes of finding a gun. Other than getting out of a parker it doesn't do you any good. In fact, it brings unwanted attention to you.
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10/17/2007 01:39:00 AM
If you want to be treated with respect, turn against those in your midst who deserve no respect. Coddling scummy cops is a big part of the problem.
I myself, for instance, do not hang symbols of my occupation from my rear-view mirror in the hope of getting special treatment. Loads of cops do this. It should turn your stomach every time you see it. It's corruption.
10/17/2007 01:39:00 AM
Your attitude is the reason we are in so much trouble. It is the hypocrites like you who cause all the grief. Let's see, corruption- do you pay for your coffee or pay full price when offered a police discount? That is technically corruption.
If you are stopped, do you flash your badge to get out of a ticket or just turn over your license and keep your mouth shut and take the ticket?
If the boss cuts you loose early for a job well done, do you say- oh no, I must work eight hours?
Do you put in a slip if you come to work late?
Do you go on the medical becuase you have no time on the books?
Better yet, how loud do you complain when a family member gets a ticket?
We are supposed to take care of each other. We are supposed to turn a blind eye on what others do. We expect the same from other cops.
Stop being a whiny pseudo moral, ethical hero and get with the program.
You are one of the reasons we are our own worst enemies.
Speaking of good coppers getting bumped off their car by an aldercreature....how about Beat 1014 getting bumped off his car? Another good cop getting f***** with.
"If you want to be treated with respect, turn against those in your midst who deserve no respect. Coddling scummy cops is a big part of the problem."
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Alright upstanding citizen, my turn now.
If you as a citizen want to be respected by the police, turn against those in your midst who deserve no respect.
Tell the 3rd generation-Public housing tenent, welfare receiving,never worked a day in their life, gangbanging, career criminal garbage, to fuck off! And to quit lying and theiving, and FIND A JOB!
AFTER ALL..YOU ARE PAYING FOR IT ALL! But you are a frightened, whiney, little bitch who would much rather remind me daily (when I pull you over for violating an ordinance drafted by the aldercreep you elected) that "OFFICER,I PAY YOUR SALARY!"
Well..I pay my salary too!
BOTTOM LINE:
Just keep working Mr. Upstanding citizen because millions of people on welfare depend on you!
Oh, yeah..and keep voting Democrat..You GOOF!
Thank you NORTHSIDE for speaking up for Officer Ward. As a 010th district retiree all I can say is the situation surrounding his movement off Beat 1014, is terrible.
From what I hear 1014 wouldn't lock up protestors having a peaceful rally at the aldercreatures office and thats why he got bumped. Hmmm...I remember when I started the job in 010 just a short time ago and while I worked on days for a short period 1014 was someone I could look up to. He's an old timer that could answer any question that needed answering and he still goes out there and is the real police. Ask him how many hot cars he got in the last month. We need those kinds of coppers around. Seeing good cops getting messed with, maybe I should look into a new profession...
YO, BROTHA NORTHSIDE.
UP TO YOUR OLD DEEP COVER TRICKS LIKE YOU DID IN THE JETS YEARS AGO. YOU WERE SEEN SHUFFLING DOWN 16TH ST. WEARING BLACKFACE AND YOUR AFRO WIG ON YOUR LATEST MISSION. THE 40 IN THE BROWN PAPER BAG WAS A NICE TOUCH.
GOOD JOB ON THAT DIXON BITCH.
Thank you, thank you, thank you Sgt. Northen. Dannye is an excellent police officer, role model and good friend. In your post you stated you never met him. I don't like to knock OR praise someone I never worked with or at least met. Take the time and pleasure of meeting him and you'll see he's not only a self-assured crime fighter but a genuinely honest and determined fellow law enforcer whom you would refer to as "the po-leese" (my highest compliment to another cop).
Aldermen actually have an unfettered right to have a police officer removed from their respective ward? Did I miss that in the City Council charter? So when "Hinky-Dink" and aldermen during the Capone era had officers who came too close to the illegal activities in their wards they could just bounce them?
Someone once said in this blog that in old movies someone would say "I'll have you badge" but you knew that wouldn't happen. Cops shouldn't be so easily dumped, transferred or fired. As a citizen and taxpayer, I WANT my cops to be tough, aggressive and not back down as a result of someone who was insulted when the officer did his job, wrote someone a ticket or told someone to do something he/she didn't want to do.
But every day Dannye straps on that gunbelt, heads out to the "other" side of the district and still locks people up, writes tickets, answers his radio and volunteers for calls. And, yes...when there's a shooting or other catastrophe on 1014's beat they all come running to him to see if he knows who the offender is and where he lives.
And the best part is that Dannye is black. Do you think the African-American Sharon Denise Dixon didn't think about that when she not only had him removed from her beat but had him exiled to a mostly Hispanic beat? Living proof you don't have to be white to be a racist.
Anonymous said...
139am post. Police? Not likely! Does the media follow plumbers to bars AFTER WORK? Do they follow traders? Do they follow their own? Follow walter Jacobsen and report on him, before you go criticizing others. DUMBASS, you are either a menber of the media or a citizen that has been locked up numerous times. As for coddling scummy cops. WE Dont. How many posts on here have been in support of thos SOS idiots? Very few. I dont like seeing a friend or co worker go to prison, just as Im sure you wouldnt. That doesnt mean we SUPPORT them. You are a DUMBASS
10/17/2007 12:52:00 PM
look at amy jacobsen hanging with a murderer and taking her kids! what about the goof who was with john cappas the big drug dealer out on his boat when the feds had a warrant for his arrest! great media concern! fuck the media in chicago they really suck!
3 cheers for the retired Johnny Northside. If only he could be our next supt. or replace Daley or Donahue.
The man is relentless and blue to the core. He's got balls and never took s### from nobody. He was as good and sharp as any cop we ever had.
Run for office, John.
>WHO SAID THEY WERE DRUNK?
I said it, jag. As I wrote, commanders don't send cars around to drive officers home when they're not drunk. Maybe you can't read more than one sentence at a time, because your brain doesn't work that fast.
They were drunk, and some commander sent a car to "help them out" because he didn't want the scandal, but the scandal is that they were too drunk to drive home.
And to the other corrupt idiots on this forum, like the guy who justifies letting cops out of their misdemeanors by asking "what about when I let you off of a ticket?" -- I don't want you letting me off a ticket. Do your job. If I commit a traffic violation and a cop pulls me over for it, I should get a ticket, regardless of whether my uncle is a cop or my tits are firm and my shirt low-cut, or my badge says media, or I'm a kindly old grandfather. Do your job.
I don't care much about squad cars illegally parked. But frankly:
- the rolling lock-up that parks illegally in front of the Logan Square Starbucks is not going to be squealing away on an emergency call
- the M-plate assholes who peal out of Shakespeare like they're about to prevent a murder, and then stop at the light at Milwaukee, proving they were just squealing their wheels for fun.
- the guys who hang their headbands from their personal cars in order to get away with breaking traffic laws, etc.
those kind of things are part of why people don't respect cops. You can make all the excuses you want, but people know you aren't breaking traffic laws for emergencies. You're breaking them because you can get away with it.
All of that is self-serving bullshit. I work in elections. I do not walk into a hundred polling places on election day and ask to vote in each of them, on professional courtesy.
Professional courtesy is just another way of saying cops are above the law.
If you don't like my calling you out for it, you're a whining cry-baby like so many other cops on this board. It surprises me to see so many cops so thin-skinned.
After thinking instead of just reacting angrily, I would have written a different post instead of that last post.
It was seeing an M-plate car screeching away around a corner that really bugged me. It was dangerous, and from the fact that he immediately slowed down and didn't even bother to move right to pass the cars at the light, I don't think it was an emergency.
I think most citizens recognize that there are loads of cops who don't wrap their headbands around their mirrors for special treatment and that only a few pull through stop signs wheels screeching just for fun.
Some cops take advantage of their position. It happens often enough that regular citizens recognize it, talk about it, roll their eyes about it. Little things add up. It's not a good thing that professional courtesy among police is so common that people know about it and talk about it.
Tunney is getting blasted partly because he got what really just amounts to professional courtesy. I think Tunney deserves criticism. He acts like, hey, I just called to see why they were wasting resources, but yeah, you didn't call when your voters got pulled over. You only called when you got pulled over. He was asking for special treatment even if he doesn't know it.
I just think the guys who put their headbands on their mirrors deserve that same kind of criticism too. I'm a little surprised at how much criticism Tunney got, but then, can you even imagine a story in the papers "Cop Gets License Sent Back After Traffic Stop"? Let alone a front page headline. Cops aren't held to that standard. Saying professional courtesy lets cops get away with too much isn't setting a higher standard for cops. It's bringing them closer to the standard that most of us have to live with.
i hate my alderman, cause he don't do shit. always mia in the office when you try to contact him. 10th ward going to shit quick and its obvious he don't give a shit. just wants that paycheck with that 30% raise they gave themselves.
Did Ald. Dixon ever hear of the 1st amendment?
So she wanted to put Officer Ward in the middle for locking up peaceful and lawful demonstrators outside her office.
As a citizen of Chicago, I demand that the officer be restored to his original assignment.
Chicago should have a recall referendum for elected officials like Dixon.
In view of proposed ourageous tax increases, voters should also be able to petition for the recall of the mayor and Todd Stroger.
The alderwoman should thank Officer Ward for saving her dumb ass from a federal lawsuit for a First Amendment violation against the demonstrators outside her office.
For you folks complaining about M plate cars screeching their tires and then stop there is an important part of the equation you are not privy too. It's called a radio. It's how we know there is a crime in progress. We listen to our radios and sometimes here that there is a violent crime in progress. Many of us try to get their as quick as possible. Sometimes we are not the first ones on scene and the officers that are say, everything is fine, no more cars needed". When I hear that, I stop driving fast.
"K-Town Kop" (10/17 @ 10:23 PM)
Alright, ballbuster! You posted that I was "...seen...(on) 16th St. wearing blackface and...Afro wig...".
Some readers might actually believe your attempt at humor. It's a total fabrication.
Also, I have since met Officer Dannye Ward. He's a gentleman and the real deal.
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