Ridiculous if True
From the Comments:
- last night 08 Feb,2008 the 017th dist was calling for a Sergeant with a Taser....second time in a week an officer needed a Sergeant with a Taser...and guess what?
- Disp: "1710"?
1710: "1710"
Disp: "Do you have a Taser? 1762A is requesting a Sergeant with a Taser respond to School/Monticello
1710: "Squad I don't have one"
Disp: "1750 Do you have a Taser?"
1750: "I don't carry one squad"
Disp: "1762 do you have a Taser sir?"
1762: "I don't have one but I'm responding to School/Monticello"
Disp: "Any Sgt in 016 have a Taser that can respond to School/Monticello"?
1669: "I have one but coming from Milwaukee/Foster..long way off"
Disp: "Ok I'll show you going"
1669: "99"
What does this tell you officers? The General Order reads that "Any member trained in the use of a Taser is REQUIRED to carry it" Why is it that 3 Sergeants in 017th Dist do not carry the Taser to protect their officers?? This is the second incident in a week!! and the 3rd in the last month that NO 017th Dist Sergeant had a Taser to help their officers!! A Sergeant from another Dist had to be called to come and help them and on one occasion the same Sergeant arrived at 4200 W Lawrence when they called for a Taser....(016th Dist Sgt responded) Officers...You need to get on your W/C or Commander and MAKE these Sgt's carry the equipment that is provided to help you or help save your life when you need it...NO EXCUSES!! just LAZY SERGEANTS....
One of these days, someone is going to call for a TASER and if there isn't one on the streets, the coppers on scene are going to end up killing someone. Then there is going to be a HUGE investigation and all sorts of recriminations flying back and forth about training, liability, preparation and responsibilities.
And it isn't going to be pretty. But we're of the opinion if you have the tool available, have it handy for use.
And it isn't going to be pretty. But we're of the opinion if you have the tool available, have it handy for use.
Labels: safety issues
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
232 Comments:
Perhaps the reason that none of the Sgts in 017 carry a taser is because one of them got sued and raked over the goals for using it about 3 years ago. Suit finally settled last fall but in the meantime the Sgt was made to feel like he was going to lose his home, his job and his pension.
"the coppers on scene are going to end up killing someone. Then there is going to be a HUGE investigation and all sorts of recriminations"
Yes after that occurs they'll check the Clout of the involved officers. When they see there isn't any, the State's Atty will press forward with Murder charges against these officers.
The Sgt.'s will dodge another bullet.
Welcome to the CPD Supt Weis, remember at all times, CLOUT RULES THE DAY, DALEY STILL RUNS IT!!
As far as I know, the order does not require a supervisor to carry the taser, it only requires that if you are going to carry one that you must be trained in its use. Some of the new supervisors have never been trained. Neither has a lot of the older ones.
Who is Airport KK? I worked special last night and was asking what the problem with KK is and no one seems to know anyone with those initials. Sorry to be off topic but the Airport seems like a pretty nice place to work.
Confused.
Commander Kolman 013 beware!
P.O. J.M. 1st Watch has sworn to get you by filing C.R.'s through the Attorney General's office. He said your days as a crazy ass bitch are over!
a taser was requested in 003 last week. SGT 330 was actually carrying one., wasn't needed though.
Of course the sgt didn't carry it until there was incident where 2 PO's were hurt in a fight having to deal with a guy with bigger prison muscles than 5 male coppers combined. Good thing the sgt was on scene to view that. Made him think twice about not going out with a taser.
Scare of getting sue and losing thier perks.
This omission could never have occurred under the leadership of the incomparable and legendary Janice Robarts-Dillon.
Robarts-Dillon would never tolerate such an unconscionable oversight by her subordinates.
A. All sgt's have not been trained.
B. If there is enough time for a sgt to respond from a neighboring district then you only want the TASER as an intimidation weapon.
C. FTO's have been trained did any of them have one? Or is it just easier to rail against a white shirt.
D. Yes, heaven forbid you actually have to use physical force like we did before TASERS, might mess your hair or break a nail.
Do Officers carry their batons? How about ASPS? How about old-timers carrying five shot revolvers? OC spray?
Where is commander libert? Shouldn't he order sgts to carry tasers? Where are the watch commanders? What is happening in 017? Sgts refuse to take responsibility and help the troops? Hello J-FED
If I was in 017 I'd be afraid of being stripped of my star if I used a tazer, I don't blame them for being afraid of being the police.
Send our SGT Angelo there for a month, he´ll straighten out all those nontasering corporals, and send those thugs fleeing to other districts to do their crimes. He´s not afraid of anyone, including roided out cub fans,criminal DCs, their gangsta spawn,etc..
DANGERS NO STRANGER TO AN o19
RANGER...............
Why not mace the clown and then take him down and cuff him. What is happening to this department? If a PO can not carry a taser, then do not even count on having one available if you get in the s#@t. Utilize the equipment you have, the stick, the mace, fighting skills, etc. Please stop the cry baby attitude and handle your job.
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no offense to 1762a, but why are you working?? Stopping someone? No contract.
Simple answer.... it has come out that every time a taser is used, a log# is generated. Sgts dont want to deal with the bullshit any more than the blue shirts do, so they dont carry it. That is the state of things in this craphole of a dept. Someone is going to get hurt because this place is screwed up.
Sounds like the 17th district has all merit sergeants on the third watch. Clout babies with no responsibility.
The order actually states that if you can safely carry the Taser you are required to carry it. The dept. requires that it be carried on the weak side in a crossdraw fashion. This makes it more accessable to the offender than the officer. I feel it is unsafe and therefore wont carry it. Also, the training is not mandatory and you have the right to decline recertification if you dont plan on carrying it. Several Sgt's I know of did not recertify for this reason. FTO's are now also carrying them if they wish. Bottom line, the Tazer is an alternate weapon and not mandatory.
I worked in 017 in the past. It is true..none of the sargs there carry tazors..We had plenty incidents where we could have used one..but instead officers got injured effecting the arrest.
That would be another case of bad management skills must be all clouted jagoffs that cannot follow a general order! What a bunch of idiots!
Do you want to hear ridiculous? I said do you want to hear ridiculous?
There is a Lt. on 2nd Watch in 023 on Zone 2 who is completely out of his mind. When there was the street collapse in 019 this mental midget gets on the air wanting to know the status of a rapid from 023 assigned to 019 for crowd control. Well he goes off wanting to know why this 023 Rapid is involved in an accident in 013? He calls out one of his own Sgt.'s on the air telling him he has to supervise this car even though it has been detailed to 019. When his own Sgt. gets on the air and says the rapid is in 019 the Lt. goes nuts. Then 1900 comes on and says he's here with me. Turns out he looked up the (UH) Unit History for 1343 instead of 2343. The silence was defeaning.
This is the same Lt. who downs a car at Lawrence and the Red Line to prohibit people from feeding the pidgeons under the tracks.
THE SGTS ARE THE ADULTS THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT. WE ARE THE CHILDREN WE GET PUNISHED FOR EVERYTHING. NOTHING WILL BE DONE CAUSE THEIR THE WHITE SHIRTS. SAD BUT TRUE... HEY SGT CAN I GO OUT TONITE AND PRETEND IAM A POLICE OFFICER? BECAUSE YOU TREAT ME LIKE A FUCKING CHILD! ITS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME TILL SOMETHING HAPPENS REAL BAD OUT THERE. BE SAFE
tazers are good tools but the police managed to deal with people over 100 years without them. spray them with oc or if you have to go to the stick. anyway you do it easily justifiable on paper. if you have to shoot the shitbird oh well too bad so sad.
Who knows what happen in vice last week? Heard a copper trashed the office over his grilfriends nudey pics. mmmmmmmm
Whats REALLY ridiculous is the fable told about 1994 F'ing other coppers.
VM has done nothing but go out of his way to help other cops the entire time I have known him. Yes, he does write alot of parkers. And from time to time he tags another cop. And no matter how big a jagoff the copper is, VM always takes care of it.
So I find it hard to believe that all of a sudden VM was out of his car, raising his voice and making an issue out of nothing. It would have been a first , and I have worked with VM for years now in 019.
From what I have been told, this punk had an entire street shut down and refused to show VM any credentials proving he was the police. Sorry, but merely stating "Im the police" just isnt enough.
I asked some of the guys from 023 who were dropping off prisoners at our lockup about this punk. They just shook their head. They went on to state their disbelief that given this clowns work ethic, they were surprised he would even help his own father. They also went on to say they are not surprised he created waves, that he is known as a do nothing that if not given his way cries like a little baby needing a bottle.
I wasnt there, so I dont know what really happened... Im sure somewhere in the middle lies the truth. But please, dont spew nonsense. VM is a nice guy who doesnt deserve the BS because some prick has some sense of entitlement.
You want to know why sergeants don't carry tasers. . . There is simply nowhere to put them on the duty belt!
The taser order mandates that the taser be worn on the weak side of the duty belt. Unless the sergeant has a 40"+ waist, there is no space to put it other than in the small of the back. Try moving your radio or mace to the small of your back and tell me how nice it feels while riding around in the squad car.
It's not that we don't want to carry them. The Department needs to amend the order to allow it to be stored in the glove compartment or trunk of the vehicle. There is no need for it to be on the duty belt. Perhaps they shoud assign one to each sergeants car. This way it will at least be available on the street when it is needed.
-- A supervisor who knows
Sgts in 011 won't carry them either. They don't want to get CR's because thay had to deploy it.
I have heard more than one Sgt say he will not carry a Taser because he does not want the log number that comes when he has to use it.
These white shirts want all the power and pay, but none of the blowback the PO's get.
Give that Sgt in 017 an immediate CR to show them they can't get away with this bullshit.
A note to the citizens of Chicago:
Because we do not have any access to Tasers, I will now shoot and kill your ass in a spot where a Taser might have done the trick.
I am going home at the end of the night, you going home is a distant second. Thank your mayor for not giving us this tool that could save lives.
Someone please name this idiot. Some public humiliation is in order.
Typical boss on this job, thinks the rules don't apply to him/her.
It is a fact that it is easier to find a sgt. with a taser than with a set of balls!
Not sure where the rumor began that anyone trained is required to carry it, but the order does not mandate it. (Please read it before you respond.) I have no place to physically hook it onto my duty belt (I guess I'm not fat enough) and have been ordered that i can only carry it in an approved holster / carrying device. So, either constant back problems from carrying it on my duty belt on my back (I cannot sit in my car without it in my back all day), or not carry it at all.
I remember a few times where Sgt. 1120 couldn't be raised when in need of one or when he didn't have it.
Glad I don't work in 011! What a dump!
They don't carry one because they are afraid to get sued!!
A couple of years ago a 017 district sgt. responded to a call at a home for wayward youths. One of the youths was busting up the place. The youth refused to leave peacefully with the police. Sgt. tazed him. The youth;s heart stopped beating.
Sgt. and p.o.s on scene are being sued.
I agree that supervisors should be carrying them and I would expect that to be addressed. F.T.O.'s can also / are required to carry TASERs. Did any of them answer up? It certainly is a problem if that happened.
1762 usually doesn't even have his GUN on him let alone carry his taser. That drunk hillbilly probably doesn't even know where he left it after a long night of kickin back old style's and then stumbling to his car. If it was after 2300 he was probably across the street at the bar anyways, so I doubt they have tasers there...."let me get a long neck and a taser, uh, sorry we dont have those here!...Oh yeah, I should still be workin...hahahaha, fuck my guys, they'll figure it out! 'NOTHER ROUND BARKEEP!!! YEEHAW" Talk about a jag bag sgt! Come back to the watch guys! we still like the folk on that team! save urselves while you can!
Once again, 1762A makin the news again!!! Go get em guys! Keep them borders safe!
This is our best new piece of equipment that has been approved in many years.....all men and women in patrol should have a taser....they should start having new recruits buy tasers as part of their equipment...yes I know they are expensive but so is getting killed or hurt. I would buy one tomorrow if I could. I think you would see a measurable decrease in knuckle-heads wanting to fight the police and injuries to P.O.'s once word got around on how painful and effective this tool is.
Why didn't you guys use those fancy ASPS? All you young super cops carry those. But you'll cry wah, I need a sgt. with a tazer! Just go in, throw some hands on your offender and take him down like it was done in the past....
"Any member trained in the use of a Taser is REQUIRED to carry it"
**017 isn't the only district where the Sgts. don't carry tasers check 007 & 008, 3rd watch. I believe that according to GO they have to sign one out and do not have to carry it on their person, but have to have it in their possession (in the trunk). Double check with the union & file a CR against a supervisor that doesn't want to do his/her job!!!!
the hell with the tasers-use the "monkey grab the peach technique".
Tazers are useless in it's current use!
Just might as well as put a few holes in joe jagoff!
Am I the only one who has a problem with all these officers "on scene" calling for someone who is not "on scene" to come over and Taser someone? First off, you are the police, deal with the situation at hand, if you are afraid of getting hurt, get off the job. You also have several tools you can use before needing to call for a taser. Have you attempted to use them, or are YOU afraid of a log number and getting sued. It's real easy to bash someone (especially a white shirt) who isn't even on scene for not coming from who knows where, to bail you out of a situation. Also, by your ignorant, non capable ass not being able to handle the situation (or even trying to), and putting over the air your request for a taser, you now have just given the shitheads lawyer all kinds of evidence to play with when he sues the white shirt, YOU and the department for the pre-meditated use of a taser on his/her poor innocent client. Soooooooo, before you all go on the air crying for a supervisor with a taser, 1.Try to handle the job like we did in the old days, without a taser (sure your nails and hairgel may get messed up) 2. Think of the long term ramifications and legal recourse of the pre-meditated use of a taser while you are standing around afraid to get injured while a Sgt. (flying to the scene, hopefully doesnt crash and kill himself)comes from who knows where. Thanks LT
Perhaps the reason that none of the Sgts in 017 carry a taser is because one of them got sued and raked over the goals for using it about 3 years ago. Suit finally settled last fall but in the meantime the Sgt was made to feel like he was going to lose his home, his job and his pension.
2/09/2008 10:55:00 PM
Are you fucking kidding me? That is your excuse. That Sgt is the only Sgt in 017 that has ever been sued. Well guess what Sarge? I've been sued too, I think maybe I'll lose my job, pension, balls, etc.
So I don't want to do to my job. I've been shot at and sued by black men Sarge. So you can do me a favor and tell the dispatcher my pussy hurts and I can't handle any job involving black people. How's that sound Sarge? I'm sure you will be quick to point out what a dog and what a pussy I'm to all your supervisor buddies. Kind of like what we are doing to you.
PS I have never seen a Taser carried in the of anybodies back. Unless your John Matrix from Commando I'm sure you have enough room on your duty belt to fit a taser.
PSS Since your afraid to use your weapon please retire and go work at
a blowjob factory.
alot of tough guys out there saying "quit crying, use your other alternatives" while that is true, technology changes and gets better , if u must fight with someone then fine but if there is an easier alternative, whats wrong with using it, quit trying to act so tough cuz youre really not, u are only in your own mind, sgts and anyone who is authorized to carry one should!
Anonymous said...
A note to the citizens of Chicago:
Because we do not have any access to Tasers, I will now shoot and kill your ass in a spot where a Taser might have done the trick.
22 yrs on the job. Fast districts, housing, tact....yeah it's been a lot of fun. Never used a taser or OC spray. I've been punched, bitten, spat upon, kicked. I've been shot at a few times times and even shot one time. I've also punched and kicked. I don't think I ever spit on anyone. I'm not a hero or a bad ass cop, just a regular guy who enjoys doing this type of work. Sometimes I got hurt, sometimes the bad guy got hurt. That's part of the job and I knew that going into it. My point being, fuck the tasers. Put your hands on the shitbag, throw him to the ground, hit him with your fists, "stunning blows", impact weapons....handcuff him an take him away. Go into the station and lean yourself off. When the adrenalin rush fades away have yourself a good laugh with your partners. You know, I've always said that Rodney King would have never happened here. Three or four Chicago cops would have simply jumped on the guy, wrestled him for a second, delivered a few stunning blows and handcuffed the prick. End of story. But in technology crazy LA they opted to tase King. The rest is history. Officers, don't be afraid to put your hands on badguys, that's what we do. If you are afraid, no big deal, get another job.
As far as shooting someone because a sergeant isn't there to tase the badguy.....you are in the wrong line of work. Tasers are NOT a substitute for deadly force. If you have been, or are thinking of using a taser in this manner you will be DEAD sooner or later. On the other hand if you opt to use deadly force when less than deadly force is called for you will be in the penitntiary.
Ah, if only we could recapture the Zeitgeist of the late '60's and the seventies--those halcyon days when da REAL PO-leese would never tolerate all this pussy bullshit.
Taser, schmaser! Bring back the good ol' fashioned wood shampoo, preferably in cocobolo.
OT: But disturbing (Current liberal presidential canidates will/want to make this country more like european countries, this is what we will get.)
Uproar as archbishop says sharia law inevitable in UK
Williams argues official status for Islamic law could aid social cohesion
Riazat Butt, religious affairs correspondent
Friday February 8, 2008
The Guardian
The Archbishop of Canterbury drew criticism from across the political spectrum last night after he backed the introduction of sharia law in Britain and argued that adopting some aspects of it seemed "unavoidable". Rowan Williams, the most senior figure in the Church of England, said that giving Islamic law official status in the UK would help to achieve social cohesion because some Muslims did not relate to the British legal system.
Why is it so Ridiculous??? It amazes me the hypocricy of police officers. You know dam well if Officers had been allowed to carry Tasers, and now given the fact that log numbers are now created when used, you would be the first ones one here crying how you would not be signing them out any longer. How long has it been written on here " I am not doing any Police work any longer, F**K this City". Why is it good for only Officers to have that attitude. And don't start with the "they are leaders" and should set the example. Most of the comments on here are from people that just want to bitch and blame others for their bad attitude. You just want the Sgt to go through the lawsuit rather than you, otherwise you would have used the other tools on your belt and taken care of business instead of waiting for someone else to.
thats because anytime a taser gets turned on or fired its an automatic cr and they are afraid to pile the cr numbers. beware, not only are sergeants not carrying their tasers, theyre also not carrying their balls anymore
dump the tasers that shoot prongs out. give us tasers like a "cattle prod". I don't blame some of the Sgts for not carrying a taser.
"the Fightin' 017th"
"Danger's no stranger to a 019 Ranger."
LMAO! Go write a parker and STFU.
mrs. alvarez let me first say i didn't vote for you, you were my second. i voted for allen.
i was watching/listening to you on FOX CHICAGO SUNDAY.
and i couldn't believe what i heard from your lips when Jack asked you.
"who paid for those commercials anita." and then the deception started you repeated the question and we all know when you "repeat" the question you are going to give a deceptive answer its called looking/reaching for a answer.
then the topper was when you said you have tried police officers like the ones in s.o.s. we all know the only reason "YOU" picked that case was because at that point you knew you were going to run.
then on the top priorities 'we in are office' "NEED TO REACH OUT TO THE COMMUNITY" excuse me that is why they, and yes i said "they" because we don't have that up north we know the difference from right and wrong and don't need a day preacher to tell us the same. that is why they have one on every block.
YOU NEED TO READ AND FOLLOW THE LAW TO THE LETTER AND CHARGE APPROPRIATELY.
NO MATTER IF HE OR SHE IS A POLICE OFFICER OR WHAT/WHO EVER.
and the must important thing is enjoy the ride cause MR. TONY PERAICA is going WIN.
MY BROTHER IS A SGT AND WHEN EVER SOMEONE IN THE DIST ASKS FOR A SGT TO RESPOND ,IF HE ISN'T ALREADY RESPONDING (CAUSE THAT'S THE TYPE OF SGT HE IS) HE ALWAYS CARRIES HIS. HE HAS TOLD ME IT NOT ONLY IMPRESSES THE LADIES ,BUT THE BAD GUYS TOO, JUST BY PULLING IT OUT. PEACE BABY.
how his f'in tact sgt or anothetr tact or gang sgt....they should b the best to be on tact right???
stop blaming beat sgt's for everything they get shit on all the time WHERE WAS HIS TACT SGT OR TACT LT OR GANG SGT???
I watched city desk today with Jody Weis as the guest. Quite interesting. I liked only one point that he made, about how he wants to take some of the governing power away from 35th street and let the district managers handle the district problems and crime pattern solutions.
He mentioned alot about how he "gets along" better with young officers. He will work out with them and stand by them no matter what as long as they are not stealing and lieing. As a 11 year vet what does that mean for me? I am tainted somehow and am a cancer? I cant be programed like the PPO?
He also said he will meet with the community "leaders". Who is that? The alderman are the only recognized leaders of certain communities! He will have town hall meeting where the community can question the bosses in public.?? "I want the officers to treat the public like on of their family memebers, even if they are loud and abusive." My family would never act like the crap that we call humans we deal with, I give up.
Log # shmog #......I will continue to carry the taser and if need be, deploy it to protect an officer from fighting with some nut case....Shame on any supervisor trained and not carrying it...Sounds even worse when working TARA (when it was still going) and a SGT from a southside district was calling for another SGT w/a taser....I went from the gas pumps at 37/Iron and made it there, fortunately no one hurt and in custody as I pulled up.....
Taser story #1:
Copper calls for taser, I respond from middle of the district. By the time I get there, there are Ten (10) squad cars parked out front (007 & 008). I wade through the coppers standing in the courtyard and see one asshole standing in the vestibule hitting his palm with his fist. He was daring the coppers to come in. All of these coppers were not afraid of this asshole they just wanted to see him get the chair. Its good entertainment. All I did was show him the laser light and led him outside. (he did end up getting tuned up out on the street.
Taser story #2:
Called to Groucho's parking lot 83rd and Pulaski in wee hours. Five or six coppers and a Sergeant wrestling with a pretty good sized drunk. As soon as they get off the drunk I taser him, hit him in the chest and waist. Give him the juice eight (8) times! It appeared that the thing wasn't working. One of the coppers grab him from behind and ends up moonwalking across Groucho's parking lot. (it was working) I then raised the guy's shirt and stuck the flickering clicking voltage to his bare chest. Guess what, NO effect. Get the asshole in the station and he say's "that taser ain't shit".
When it works its great, its always good entertainment. NOTHING beats a good ass whipping.
why dont they provide a lockable container in the patrol car for these things? If the city is worried about cost, you can have some high school kids in metal shop make them. Oops thats right they have cut funding so low in schools they probably don't have shop classes anymore.
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actually, it seems like all the Sgt's in 011 carry them. at least on 2nd and 3rd watch, from what i've seen. whether they choose to use it is up to them but there have been times when an unhappy citizen has come into 011 and the if there is an available supervisor in 011, they are more than willing and ready to use the taser, if necessary.
Off the subject,who's #57 on the CPD Enforcers football team? I want to party with that guy.
I agree that supervisors should be carrying them and I would expect that to be addressed. F.T.O.'s can also / are required to carry TASERs. Did any of them answer up? It certainly is a problem if that happened.
2/10/2008 07:16:00 AM
Its 017, there are no FTO's.
Anonymous said...
Perhaps the reason that none of the Sgts in 017 carry a taser is because one of them got sued and raked over the goals for using it about 3 years ago. Suit finally settled last fall but in the meantime the Sgt was made to feel like he was going to lose his home, his job and his pension.
2/09/2008 10:55:00 PM
This is exactly why I can't blame the Sgt's for not carrying Tasers. If we have go hands on, so be it. Nobody really wants to touch some of these people, but sometimes we have to. If we have to use other tools, so be it. We gotta do what we gotta do. It's a great tool, but we can't be dependent on them. What did we do before the Taser? We still took care of business.
The acting civilian boss at R&D is Jim Hickey.......need I say more?
WRONG! This order was all that incompetent idiot Maria. I wonder if the new Superintendent saw this order? Typos....
Real nice.
Typical North Side Pussies. Learn how to duke it out with an offender, hit them with that piece of metal on your hip (ASP) or the ol' hickory. As for the retarded 019th district no stranger to danger shit, keep dreaming. Work on the right side of the city and see what police work is all about.
It's time to stop worrying about the boogeyman. Sergeants should remember that their number one priority is their subordinates.
I always carry mine and catch a lot of my shit for doing so. I don't care. Every time I have used mine it saved a battle.
"These white shirts want all the power and pay, but none of the blowback the PO's get."
become a Sgt. see all the power. when you see there isnt any you can rely on the pay.
and then wish you were still a blueshirt.
Everyone these days want to blame someone else. Stop complaining and do YOUR JOB. I don't understand how you had time enough to request a Taser several times over the air and then wait for a long off Sgt to arrive to help you. It's your job it's your arrest. Handle it. I would be embarassed to be you. You need an assist car fine, call for it. Use three of four PO's to handle it but don't cry like a baby that the Sgt is supposed to handle your job. And no I am not a Sgt.
what did you do before there were tasers? that s right beat his ass or use deadly force . no order says wait for a sgt to hold your hand.
OFF TOPIC:
SUPE IN THE NEWS SUNDAY MORNING.
SOUNDED KINDA COOL.
NEXT...
WAY TO GO LASKI!!! DICKY GETTING SLAMMED IN HIS BOOK. CAPT QUEEG.
To 2/09 @ 10:57 PM..Read GO 07-01...specifiaclly page 38 in BOLD print The order states:"Department members who have been trained in the use of the Taser device will request the issuance of the Taser and will be REQUIRED to carry the Taser" Nuff said...
To 2/10 @ 1:01AM...You're wrong...hopefully you are NOT a Sergeant...Read GO 07-01 Page 38...and if you are a Sergeant thanks for letting your officers down and putting them in harms way...Hope none of your officers dont get injured due to your inattention to duty...might get your ass sued one day for not protecting your officers...
All of you people are scared of your own fucking shadow....read some of these posts...you guys are a joke ...The fucking order says if you are trained then you are REQUIRED to carry the fucking Taser..Period...what are the rest of you reading or what department are you from?? General Order 07-01 (pg 38) Section I in BOLD print states this...read it. All of you pussy sergeants out there need to retire because if you don't "want" to carry the tool to help another officer you are a jagoff...plain and simple..All of you on this blog cry and bitch and moan about "Long guns" or "More firepower" you don't even want to carry a Taser!!! Why the fuck should we get "Long guns" or "More firepower" when you don't even want to carry an 8oz piece of plastic?? I carry one and think it is the best tool we have...if I get sued...oh well what can I do about it...been there done that..(Federal court 5 x's) I am not afraid to do my job and definately not afraid to protect my officers...they WILL NOT GET HURT WORKING FOR/WITH ME. The W/C or Commander in 017 and all districts need to make sure that the personnel trained to carry the Taser follow GO 07-01 or get a CR# on them...an officer's life may depend on it.There is NO REASON 3 Sergeant's in a single district on the same watch don't carry a Taser...that's uncalled for.Carry the weapon or give up the stripes...you have no balls and certainly have no interest in protecting your officers.
How many got written up? None, because they only fuck with blue shirts.
White shirts don't have to do their job, but they will make sure you do yours or else. Do as I say not as I do...
Pathetic, simply mind boggling! What the hell did you people do before tasers? Its always some kind of excuse why you can't do your damn job isn't it. Quit! go get you a job at Walmart or a laundry, something that seems to suit alot of you useless asses. Its always something or somebody else fault that you can't do your job.
If your Sgt. doesn't carry a taser, don't carry ticket books.
If you need a taser, call for one over the air and make the Sgt. look like a coward so everyone on the zone knows.
happened in 019 new years eve po needed a taser sgts werent carrying thankfully a lt (with balls had and responded )
You can bet your ass this story is true, it happens all the time in Area 3 with all these clout bosses and ass kissers.
All the shit that is talked about 016, but when a officer needed help from another district it was the do nothing 016 that responded.
"danger no stranger" "19 ranger" lmao you north side police sure are funny "19 ranger" lol
With all the equipment on, I can't even reach the left side of my belt to cross draw. Give it a try sometime and you'll see. I was carrying it in a vest pocket with a velcro strap for a while and that worked great, but not authorized.
R&D needs to change the G.O. and allow a vest pocket for the taser.
Whatever happens you know NOTHING will happen to the Sergeants. PERIOD.
To the sergeants who claim that they can't fit the taser on their belt....MAKE ROOM! YOU are responsible for the well being of your men and women. If one of them needs your assistance, it's your job to help, whether its with a domestic, advice, or tasering some jagoff! That's what you get paid to do.
To the sergeants that claim they don't want to get sued....GROW A PAIR! I agree and I know getting sued sucks! But as long as you use the taser as you were trained to, you will not, personally, be held liable. The city will pay out a large sum of money but none of it will come from you. Someone is going to get seriously hurt out there.
To the old timers that say "What happened to just using your hands and fighting with the guy"....RETIRE ALREADY! There have been some improvements to Law Enforcement equipment since you old fucks got on like expandable baton instead of wood batons, semi auto handguns instead of revolvers, bullet proof vests instead of wearing no vest. Now we have tasers. Apparently you haven't seen them used because you would be saying something different if you had.
Send Adam Z, 011 there. He alreeady has used up all the darts in 11.
RE: 1994
I've known VM for a long time and for anyone to say he was acting like an asshole would be so out of character for him I can't believe it. I've seen him on stops, TVBs and bringing prisoners in and have NEVER heard him say or do anything disrespectful.
I just have one question though... was this copper parked illegally?
Suck it the fuck up. If you're wrong, you're wrong. If someone pulled an attitude, what would you do in that situation? If he didn't ID himself, other than verbally, that shouldn't be good enough for anyone.
The bright side is that the 013th district tact and gang teams won't have to worry about real tazer worthy criminals. They are more worried about arresting drinkers and SUBs by the score. Seriously, these guys are an embarassment. I hope none of these "offenders" get a civil rights lawyer, because, these superstars will then learn the meaning of "false arrest" and "perjury". As an aside, if I need a wagon for a real criminal that doesn't want to go silently into that good night and I get hurt because the wagon is transporting 4 drinkers for the tact team I am going to interrupt the poker game.
c'mon Luke use the force and have your team make a real pinch
OT....... Can anyone confirm this?...Is it true this guy SEISER destroyed the periodic table, because he only recognizes the element of suprise
Dear Confused. KK are the initials for the playful moniker placed on the current commander.
And, in answer to your other comment: O'Hare is a great place to work. Plenty of overtime.
I advise you to keep your ears open for the up coming vacancies to be created when the commander and his management people get dumped next week.
And to all of our other fellow officers city wide: we have parking space available if you are flying out of O'Hare. 773-686-2385
You don't hear about any other department and tasers. WTF...Most departments have their officer's and sgts carry them. AND GUESS WHAT??? They use them too! Don't be so fucking scared to use them if you are justified...WTF??? Its not worth officer's getting hurt.
Perhaps the reason that none of the Sgts in 017 carry a taser is because one of them got sued and raked over the goals for using it about 3 years ago. Suit finally settled last fall but in the meantime the Sgt was made to feel like he was going to lose his home, his job and his pension.
2/09/2008 10:55:00 PM
Well guess what your in Chicago, you get sued for anything and everything anyway! If your justified in using it through department policy USE THE FUCKING THING! The City pays every lawsuit anyway. Now if you use the thing, and your not justified by department policy, then I would be scared!
Gang and tact sgt's in 005 never carry one either!
Scare of getting sue and losing thier perks.
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Can you explain exactly what "perks" sergeants have these day? N O N E They are glorified babysitters - that's it. Held responsible for every immature, drunken, disrespectful officer on the watch. I wouldn't call that a perk.
why is the north side always known as soft? --- from a northsider
THE SGTS ARE THE ADULTS THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT. WE ARE THE CHILDREN WE GET PUNISHED FOR EVERYTHING. NOTHING WILL BE DONE CAUSE THEIR THE WHITE SHIRTS. SAD BUT TRUE... HEY SGT CAN I GO OUT TONITE AND PRETEND IAM A POLICE OFFICER? BECAUSE YOU TREAT ME LIKE A FUCKING CHILD! ITS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME TILL SOMETHING HAPPENS REAL BAD OUT THERE. BE SAFE
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You all need to get over this "white shirt" mentality and give some of them a chance. There are equal amounts of bad "white shirts" as there are bad "blue shirts." Not all sergeants are meritorious sergeants you know that only started about 10 years ago. Take care of yourself and quit worrying about everyone else. What did we all do before tasers were here? You are all cry babies who really don't know how to police without blaming someone higher in authority when shit hits the fan. Its the job - shit hits the fan - get used to it. Just be careful - be responsible for YOURSELF and your partner and stop worrying about all the "white shirts." Funny, I don't see sergeants on here whining about how horrible some of the officers are - and believe me - there are plenty of very bad problem officers. Just do your job, or don't, but take responsibility for yourself. The decision is yours.
PAPA SMURF said.....
tazers are good tools but the police managed to deal with people over 100 years without them. spray them with oc or if you have to go to the stick. anyway you do it easily justifiable on paper. if you have to shoot the shitbird oh well too bad so sad.
You are absolutely right. The problem we have with the department today and that NO ONE knows how to justify their actions. Read a TRR - it gives you the word for word justification. Look at the use of force model - same thing - word for word. Don't be afraid to do what you have to do - just justify it. This is something FTO's should really be teaching recruits. Problem is, most FTO's only have a few years on as well and probably don't know how to do it. Bottom line is - go home safe - JUSTIFY YOUR ACTIONS. It can be done. Just think before you do any reports.
Give that Sgt in 017 an immediate CR to show them they can't get away with this bullshit.
How about give the officers a CR for not controlling a prisoner. They have pepper spray (it works), the have asps (they work) and they have batons (they work). What did we do before tasers?
I completely agree with the post that suggested that every supervisor should have one in their car. It is impossible to carry one on our duty belt like someone else said. STOP blaming everyone else - DO YOUR JOB!! Control the situation - we have done it for years without tasers!! But all of a sudden it is the sergeant's fault because he didn't have a taser. Where were the officer's tools?
Not sure where the rumor began that anyone trained is required to carry it, but the order does not mandate it. (Please read it before you respond.) I have no place to physically hook it onto my duty belt (I guess I'm not fat enough) and have been ordered that i can only carry it in an approved holster / carrying device. So, either constant back problems from carrying it on my duty belt on my back (I cannot sit in my car without it in my back all day), or not carry it at all.
You are right about that! Not only is it bad for your back to carry it like we are required, but how do you pull it from your weak side when it is in the small of your back? Once again, officers looking to blame a sergeant without thinking it through or actually talking to one asking for the reason. Can't do their job right? It must be a sergeant's fault. Thats the new generation....It can't be MY fault!! You can't hold ME responsible!!!
Can't we just apply a little verbal judo here? No need for tasers, remember "Down sir! Quit resisting"
HEY what did we do before the TASER? DO YOUR JOB!!!
I saw City desk on NBC5 this morning with new Super. As an officer with a few years on, I’m felling very fortunate to have him as the new boss. It was good to hear him talk. Can’t wait to see what’s down the road!
NOT ALL SGT'S WILL USE THE LAME A*S EXCUSES LIKE THESE FEW SGT'S----OTHERS QUICKLY SHOW UP AND MAKE A JUDGEMENT CALL IN A FEW SECONDS IF NOT IMMEDIATELY. I DON'T SEE WHY THESE SGT'S DID NOT RESPOND REGARDLESS IF THEY DID NOT HAVE A TASER. MANY THINGS COME TO MIND BUT MOST OF YOU HAVE YOUR OWN CONCLUSIONS. IF THE SITUATION CALLS FOR LESS THAN LETHAL FORCE BY ALL MEANS USE IT!!! SPRAY THE MUTHA F*C$ER UNTIL HELP ARRIVES...... USE YOUR OWN JUDGEMENT AND DO LET YOUR FAIT HANG WAITING FOR A SGT TO SAVE THE DAY!!!
It's not that we don't want to carry them. The Department needs to amend the order to allow it to be stored in the glove compartment or trunk of the vehicle. There is no need for it to be on the duty belt. Perhaps they shoud assign one to each sergeants car. This way it will at least be available on the street when it is needed.
-- A supervisor who knows
That has to be one of the most unsafe ideas I've heard. Keep the taser in the trunk? Glove box? What the hell good does it do there when your in a house, apartment, or high rise? Or half a block from the car for what ever reason?
Listen, I'm not hear no rip on anyone when talking about tactics and safety. And there are a dozen ways we could arrange our duty belts to be more accomidating. But leaving equipment in the trunk is not a good idea. Do we keep our pistols in the trunk? Mags? If it don'f fit on the belt, purchase a drop holster for it. Sure they silly, but you still have it. Or if you wear a vest cover, get a pocket put on for the taser. Do you wear cargo pants? Put it in one of the leg pockets. I' not a fan of the cross draw idea. That takessome getting used to. Who cares where its worn, as long asits worn safe and secure
Point is we should ALL carry them. I'd rather tase someone that beat the piss out of him/her. it keeps me from getting hurt as well as the offender. Also its effective on someone who may be high on whatever and feeling no pain. Oh and someone with all those prison muscles, works even better.
And catching a law siut? Well it wouldn't be the first, and won't be the last. If you're afraid of a law suit then you are in the wrong profession.
Stay safe
007/1st watch
is it really that important , to bring up. i work in 017 and we really dont care if sgt has a taser.
more than half the P.O.'S in the city dont carry their batons, and now we are worried about a taser that is relativily new to our department.
I have no place to physically hook it onto my duty belt (I guess I'm not fat enough) and have been ordered that i can only carry it in an approved holster / carrying device. So, either constant back problems from carrying it on my duty belt on my back (I cannot sit in my car without it in my back all day), or not carry it at all.
2/10/2008 05:19:00 AM
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You must be joking, no wonder this department is going to hell in a handbasket. Maybe you should turn in your stripes.
They don't carry one because they are afraid to get sued!!
A couple of years ago a 017 district sgt. responded to a call at a home for wayward youths. One of the youths was busting up the place. The youth refused to leave peacefully with the police. Sgt. tazed him. The youth;s heart stopped beating.
Sgt. and p.o.s on scene are being sued.
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So what? You can get sued for looking at someone funny. Besides, where Taser is concerned, there is insurance...
For you mentally challenged people out there try to actually read the orders and then at least try to understand what you read. Remember that many of us made Sgt before there was meritorious which was probably before most of you cry babies were even on this job. If you want to complain then complain to the tact Sgt it was his people that needed it so let him carry it. I know it is really hard for all you 10 year wonders on this job to believe but long before you were out of diapers or even before you had your first spring break paid for by Mommy and Daddy some of us on this job actually fought with bad guys using such out of date weapons such as six shot revolvers, wooden batons and sometimes we even had to put our hands on the bad guys and actually fight. Grow the fuck up and be the police before you talk all your shit about police work you have never done or been part of. Really miss the days when blue shirts knew how to be the police and there was a thing called The Chain of Command and real police officers took pride in the fact they didn't need to cry and whine to the white shirts to take care of shit on the street. Nothing but the
pussy police" nowadays.
OFF topic:
Must re-election time for the FOP guys. Does anyone ever see these guys other than at election time and FOP meetings? Once the election is over does this mean I won't see them until 2012...
It was nice to get a smoke up my ass about all the hard work they are doing for our contract.
Why don't we just send things directly to arbitration and be done with it. FOP can make all the demands they want and the city will stall until it goes to arbitration anyway.
I have 2 suggestions for FOP.
Hire a PROFESSIONAL negotiator to work for us and a PROFESSIONAL PR firm to get represent us in the media. The only time we get any media attention is when things go sideways. The FOP said that most of our work isn't newsworthy. If thats the case. A good PR firm would be able to fix that.
Sorry for the rant
How true and how funny!
shavedlongcock@yahoo.com said...
It is a fact that it is easier to find a sgt. with a taser than with a set of balls!
2/10/2008 04:18:00 AM
I was trained in 011 a few years back with their trial period for p.o.s to carry it. Then, they took it from us a few months later. Lt. C.P. let us carry them on the street, even though they said we couldn't and I loved her for it. Its nuts - we should all have Tasers.
Off Subject SCC FYI
Home invasion police officers house 0100 hours 112th Central Park.
P/os girlfriend sees two male ones in alley when going to park. Police are called respond 19B.
Hour later two m/1s armed force their way into the side door and tie up 20 yoa woman p/os girl friend.
female forced to dis robe for offeders who are demanding location of the officer who lives in residence. Offenders hooded want to sexually assault female when some thing made them flee.
M/1s immediately flee, in a vehicle
no description at this time. What was the original call, 2 m/1s in alley in vehicle.
P/o is assigned to 004 brother in 008.
My question: Were is the community alert, why have the dicks or district not put out a formal message. Message should be put out for all concerned police officers.
Are these two offenders the officer may have locked up or encountered on job . People something should and must be done about this violation to the officer and his nearly raped significant other.
The area better assign some aggresive detectives to this investigation not the usual do nothing mopes from midnights.
How did the offenders obtain the officers home address?
Some one from 022 please let us know what is going on.
Thanks daley for making people scared of their own shadows. now when we need a sgt with a tazer they are shaking in their boots because if they use it they may be held responsible for their actions. What is the point of this fucking job anymore. I guess the people that work inside or safe spots are not dogs, they are smart. But if you have no clout your screwed because you cant get into these hiding spots till the shitstorm that daley the media and reverends created.
What a bunch of sissies!! You have oc spray and a baton. USE THEM!! How did we fight bad guys 25 yrs ago? Fists and batons. OC spray didn't exist. With all the bullshit we have to carry these days, unless you have a 40"+ waist, there's no way you can fit it all, unless you want a taser riding up your ass! Hopefully they'll offer training to everyone so the little whiners can handle their own battles, rather than having their Sgt bail them out. ARE YOU NOT THE POLICE??!!
Whiners like these make me ashamed to be a beat cop!
or how about this:
lots of the tasers are in disrepair and may not function at all...?
Most of the 'holsters' are in worse disrepair and there is no word on when they will get a contract out to repair them-who want to take a chance that the taser gets taken away due to poor equipment?
or...the Taser corporation may have fudged it's documentation to get tasers approved in the first place?
or...you can usually only 'qualify' with a taser one day a week so it cuts down the availablity to get to therange and do so?
And maybe if you learned to talk to people instead of rushing through something to get to your girlfriend's house or get your 'two-three-four" on the end to go get drunk, you wouldn't need a taser?
It seems that the pos on the blog are pretty quick to point figers and assume it's the other guys fault (at especially supervisors) and that they are some sort of super cop.
Get over it - the more you put out this bullshit, the more it divides us- white shirt or not-we're all blue. There have been plenty of times I've been backed up by a white shirt because my 'blue shirt' brother was taking his time getting to my job-and I've been damn greatful for the help.
how about all of us carry tasers-then you don't have to depend on your sergeant!
why was the taser called for in the first place? where's that part of the story?
send 11dubs!!!!!!!!!!!
Here's another good story involving the taser: 1130 / 3rd watch (Tricky for those of you that don't know this PUSSY), is asked to respond to a violent individual with his taser from one of his 30-sucktor cars. PUSSY'S response: "I'll respond but I'm not gonna guarantee I'll use it". How's that for "leadership"? The PUSSY has psychic ability to see whether or not he'll have to deploy the taser as he's being asked by the zone to go to the job. It's certainly no wonder that this Sgt. got his ass kicked and shoulder dislocated by a 15 year old girl a few years back. Your cowardice will get you hurt again,PUSSY. And hopefully soon.
Again, the retards jump to conclusions without the facts. No wonder the citizens hate us, there are so few of us that actually engage our brains before we open our mouths. Let's go over a few points, some of which are mentioned above.
1) The order does NOT require ANYONE to carry a TASER. I would have liked to think that SCC would have looked that one up before repeating an erroneous comment on the blog.
2) The comment neglects to mention the availability of FTO's who are also allowed to carry TASER's. Funny how the commentator has the exact radio dialogue, and is ignorant on the number of FTO's on duty. Sounds like someone with an axe to grind with supervisors. Again, too bad SCC didn't bother to check that one out too. SCC can Google an obscure judge to dig up dirt, but can't ask someone in 017 if there were any FTO's on duty. Perhaps Fran Spielman would have checked first.
3) Believe it or not, not all range instructors are trained to re-qualify people with TASER's. The training fax says to go qualify with your primary weapon and TASER. What it doesn't say is that when you get there, you might be told that you'll need to come back because there is nobody there to do the TASER re-qual.
4) For every story you tell of someone calling for a TASER and nobody had one, I will produce 3 P.O's who were glad to see someone with a TASER show up to their job.
To the original commentator, and his/her band of retarded followers, I say please quit this job. We don't need you. To SCC, for having reprinted such an obviously erroneous comment, I say that the Sun-Times is looking for a few good yellow journalists.
Sgt GOGO-016 will stand behind his POs.
He's not a clout baby & will be there when you need him.
Now here's a guy who should move up!
I've seen the 17 Dist. operate. I don't think the supervisors should not only not carry tasers but they should not carry guns and remove any sharp object from the station.
To the guy who said he was afraid of being the Police. Don't, don't be afraid of being the police but be fearful of some of the orders that come out of the supervisors.
DON'T TASE ME BRO!
I'm a sgt. in 011. I won't carry a tasar because I have a burning desire to retire with my 75k in 6 years.
You young hair gelled patrol officers must learn to not expect so much of your sgts. because they want to have a life in Nevada after the cpd. Don't get involved in bullshit and don't call me when you do!
If you step in shi* you wipe it off, not me.
Sgt. Noball's, 011
"the fightin' 17th" said...
This omission could never have occurred under the leadership of the incomparable and legendary Janice Robarts-Dillon.
Robarts-Dillon would never tolerate such an unconscionable oversight by her subordinates.
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NO SHIT!!!! "Do this, do that, go here, go there" Oh! And don't forget to pick up my Mocha Latte!
She's like the Joan Rivers of the Chicago Police Department.
Poor Sgt. S.L. who works 2nd Watch in 002 has the first kill by tazor in this city. He refuses to carry a tazor.
I'm sure he's been dragged through the shit legally, and sometimes its just not worth it.
Because of this, all POs should be able to carry them.
YES if your trained on the Taser, you MUST take one out. GO 08-01 clearly states this. You alleged supervisors who state,"it will hurt my back if I carry it" are sorry excuses for a police officer.
New FOP PRESIDENT - J.M. should run for FOP president he is worth a ton of money . I asked if he would ever run and he said he would . But it seems impossible to get officers to back a P.O. who is not a detective or who is not slated by the Daley machine. J.M. said that if he was FOP president he would keep the same average P.O. salary and that in itself demonstrates that he just wants what's best for his fellow copper's. Not for himself.
J.M. has the balls and the brains to stand up to the media and public and he would fight for our reputation and respect . He also has the resources and money to finance the cause . So why not give him a shot and at least consider somone of his calibur ? J.M. hates politicians and is loyal to the Working Police. He is a southsider and has also lived on the northside. A guy like him would be great for the average P.O. Remember if we unite we have the numbers and can make it happen . So if your tired with an FOP who is silent with the media and rarely backs us coppers in public then the time is NOW !
Perhaps the reason that none of the Sgts in 017 carry a taser is because one of them got sued and raked over the goals for using it about 3 years ago.
2/09/2008 10:55:00 PM
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Numerous PO's have been sued and raked over the coals for using their guns over the years....and your point is?
If PO s would use the equipment given them IE nigtclubs, ASPS, Mace, THIER hands they wouldnt need a Taser 99% of the time.
But its easier to blame the Sgt. because YOUR afraid to use force and do your job. Much easier to ask a Sgt. to Tase him because Then its on him".Plus then the Sgt. has to do a TRR instead of you.
I have a mental, instead of TRYING to talk him down Ill dump it on the Sgt. and ask for a Taser right away.
If I didn't have my pepper spray I would get SPAR or CR#, same should go for the SGTS! Same should go for the lt and WC for not generating the spar or CR on the SGTS!
Demote the DC of 17th Dist and launch the SGT!!!!! This is called command responsibility. Our lives are in danger with these FOOLS at the Helm. Coppers just pull the trigger if U have too!!
Semper Fi!!
Off Topic: Anyone hear anything about an O/D coppers house being Home Invaded (in 22) while his girlfriend was at home, and the offenders asking specificly for the officer? The less we can do the bolder they become.
you fucking pussy assed gel haired spoiled white bread midget punks..14 mos to go and I'm going to taze some cracked up, diabetic, alky, bloated heart shithead???? Are you fucking nutz??? 54 and I'll still go at anybody with the stick and the spray..make a fuckin arrest
The taser request was only a block out of Zone 12. If your supervisors aren't prepared on Zone 1, give a 025 supervisor a holler.
Always glad to help out
N.H...WILL ..taser anyone ,anywhere,anytime..she's a killer queen..with a laser beam..011 Rocks baby! oh yea!!
Someone please name this idiot. Some public humiliation is in order.
Typical boss on this job, thinks the rules don't apply to him/her.
What rules? they aren't required to carry them. get over it, we survived forever without them; they are a great tool but not eh end all be all..
Ive been a Sergeant for almost 5 years, in a busy south side district and a unit. In that time I've used the Taser 3 times, without problem. The city issued the equipment to us, and encourages its use. You may be sued, but the city will have to take the hit as long as you follow your training. Get over it, its a great tool and works immediately without long term injury to the assaillant.
I would have liked to think that SCC would have looked that one up before repeating an erroneous comment on the blog.
Unfortunately, we don't have all the orders at our fingertips at home so we can look up everything like you are able to do. Being the police is a job we leave at the station after 8 hours a day.
Again, too bad SCC didn't bother to check that one out too. SCC can Google an obscure judge to dig up dirt, but can't ask someone in 017 if there were any FTO's on duty. Perhaps Fran Spielman would have checked first.
Gee, all our 017 District buddies didn't pick up our calls. Next time we'll just call the desk...
::ring ring:: 017 Desk, Officer X
Hi Officer X, this is SCC. Would you care to confirm a rumor we're putting up on the blog this evening?
Please tell us you aren't this big of a moron.
To SCC, for having reprinted such an obviously erroneous comment, I say that the Sun-Times is looking for a few good yellow journalists.
Ok, we guess you are a moron. We reprinted it with the title Ridiculous if True. Then we asked the reading membership at large if it was in fact, true. Then you, the aforementioned moron, make some wild assumptions that somehow we're responsible for anything except asking for information.
You're beyond moron. Asshat.
019th district no stranger to danger shit, keep dreaming. Work on the right side of the city and see what police work is all about.
2/10/2008 11:11:00
019 is one lazy, district (cops are the weirdest ever) wouldn't know police work and are scared of the m/1's
The only good thing about 17 is Dulay was forced to retire, one less bully white shirt.
If its true,017 dist. sgt.'s are lazy assholes,thank god I work in a dist. that has sgt.'s who obey the order.
Can you explain exactly what "perks" sergeants have these day? N O N E They are glorified babysitters - that's it. Held responsible for every immature, drunken, disrespectful officer on the watch. I wouldn't call that a perk.
What a punk! Perks like 19th dist sergeants committing a sexual assault while on duty or how about Spike A ( death investigation). or maybe a now Capt who was a DUI with his unmarked take home care killing a women crossing the street.I got a hundred of them, Who the fuck you kidding Sergeant your a white shirt. I've been around 27 years, tell your lies to someone who doesn't know.
Again, the retards jump to conclusions without the facts. No wonder the citizens hate us, there are so few of us that actually engage our brains before we open our mouths. Let's go over a few points, some of which are mentioned above.
1) The order does NOT require ANYONE to carry a TASER. I would have liked to think that SCC would have looked that one up before repeating an erroneous comment on the blog.
2) The comment neglects to mention the availability of FTO's who are also allowed to carry TASER's. Funny how the commentator has the exact radio dialogue, and is ignorant on the number of FTO's on duty. Sounds like someone with an axe to grind with supervisors. Again, too bad SCC didn't bother to check that one out too. SCC can Google an obscure judge to dig up dirt, but can't ask someone in 017 if there were any FTO's on duty. Perhaps Fran Spielman would have checked first.
3) Believe it or not, not all range instructors are trained to re-qualify people with TASER's. The training fax says to go qualify with your primary weapon and TASER. What it doesn't say is that when you get there, you might be told that you'll need to come back because there is nobody there to do the TASER re-qual.
4) For every story you tell of someone calling for a TASER and nobody had one, I will produce 3 P.O's who were glad to see someone with a TASER show up to their job.
To the original commentator, and his/her band of retarded followers, I say please quit this job. We don't need you. To SCC, for having reprinted such an obviously erroneous comment, I say that the Sun-Times is looking for a few good yellow journalists.
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Scc is right, you are a moron and an asshat.
First, go read that order. It states that if you are trained to carry a Taser, you are required to ask for one. Period.
Second, nearly all Range instructors are Taser instructor certified, that's a fact.
As far as I'm concerned if the Sgt's or FTO's don't have enough balls to take out a Taser and look out for their fellow officers, they should turn in their stars. Wah Wah, I'm afraid to get sued. Go wait on tables somewhere and leave the job to men, and several women who do their jobs as well.
anonymous said...
I have no place to physically hook it onto my duty belt (I guess I'm not fat enough) and have been ordered that i can only carry it in an approved holster / carrying device. So, either constant back problems from carrying it on my duty belt on my back (I cannot sit in my car without it in my back all day), or not carry it at all.
2/10/2008 05:19:00 AM
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You must be joking, no wonder this department is going to hell in a handbasket. Maybe you should turn in your stripes.
2/10/2008 03:05:00 PM
Look, I'm not a sgt. but having a smallish waist, I know where he's coming from. I couldn't possibly fit all my stuff on the duty belt, so I carry flashlight, pepper spray and radio in vest pockets. It's not just a comfort issue, it's a safety issue. When equipment placed on the belt is positioned in the middle of the back, it makes for a slower draw. I was unable to draw my light from there due to length of light as well as my own shoulder width. And having the light flush against my spinal column was excruciating (that can't be good for ANYONE). All this sgt. seems to want is an alternative holster, so cut him a break.
Perhaps the reason that none of the Sgts in 017 carry a taser is because one of them got sued and raked over the goals for using it about 3 years ago.
First off coward, a white shirt is management they are covered by the city for all law suites, second this is a lie never happened. City gets sued and the law suit also names the sgt yet he is covered by the city. are you sure you guys have an education
If you get sued doing what youre taught to do you have no worries: the city has to indemnify you so the gutless sergeants that refuse to carry a taser for that reason are just plain self serving, spineless pussies that I wouldnt want showing up to assist on a job anyway, especially if they arent going to bring a taser with them. I need the equipment, not the sergeant. I'm not a child, Im a fucking police officer. I get paid to handle other peoples problems, not dump them on my Sgt. Supervise me when Im stuck, (another PO involved in something, an incident that might draw media attention, or if I just plain have a question that the sgt is supposed to know the answer to) but other than that, I wish we could go back to the 'don't call me and I wont bother you either' mentality.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
What a bunch of sissies!! You have oc spray and a baton. USE THEM!! How did we fight bad guys 25 yrs ago? Fists and batons. OC spray didn't exist. With all the bullshit we have to carry these days, unless you have a 40"+ waist, there's no way you can fit it all, unless you want a taser riding up your ass! Hopefully they'll offer training to everyone so the little whiners can handle their own battles, rather than having their Sgt bail them out. ARE YOU NOT THE POLICE??!!
Whiners like these make me ashamed to be a beat cop!
2/10/2008 04:17:00 PM
Tasers,lasers,M16,32's...99's..gas rockets...geeeez.
the media is pickin on us,all the bosses suck,this aint fair..that aint fair..
You guys aint cops..a bunch of whining pussy wannabees that watched too much tv in the 90's.
If you cant be a man and do a man's job..then give back the money and benefits and go home to your mommies.
and whats with all these sergeants answering up with the old "just put your hands on him like we did in the ole days"? Hit em with your stick, that way you can get sued instead! Why use a more effective piece of equipment that doesnt look as brutal on a news clip? Give the media something to run with, first spray em, and then when theyre still fighting, beat them with your asp so the news can report "alleged robbery offender sprayed with mace and beaten by police with metal batons... news clip at 11"
that makes a ton more sense than using a taser. C'mon sarge, use your head... or maybe grow the set back that they took from you when they gave you those stripes!
ridiculous if true rumor going around
DID the new Sup. really send a new recruit class home on the first day, after they had quit their jobs, the class put on hold????
The new Sup wants a review the training division staff?
any truth to the rumor or as usual is it just hot air Could he even do that?
Anonymous said...
Everyone these days want to blame someone else. Stop complaining and do YOUR JOB. I don't understand how you had time enough to request a Taser several times over the air and then wait for a long off Sgt to arrive to help you. It's your job it's your arrest. Handle it. I would be embarassed to be you. You need an assist car fine, call for it. Use three of four PO's to handle it but don't cry like a baby that the Sgt is supposed to handle your job. And no I am not a Sgt.
2/10/2008 11:37:00 AM
Bingo,I agree with you 100%. This job has turned into a bunch of pansies and pussies. You mean I might have to fight with a bad guy as a "real policeman"?
Please Sgt,Please Sgt. come and save me from the Big Bad Wolf,I am scared. This department is no longer the "real police" but a bunch of pussies and pansies....
DISGUSTING!
As an officer with a few years on, I’m felling very fortunate to have him as the new boss. It was good to hear him talk. Can’t wait to see what’s down the road!
2/10/2008 02:31:00 PM
AS AN OFFICER WITH PLENTY OF TIME ON THE JOB...FOR YOUR SAKE, I HOPE AN ENGLISH CLASS IS DOWN THE ROAD FOR YOU.
Unless you "felling" better!
Can I have my radio, a RPG, a LAWS rocket, and the keys to the M1 Abrams out there for patrol please. Bunch of non hand to hand combat afraid of a law suit useless bastards. They should fire everyone of you little pussies.
Well well well. I believe someone spoke of the illustrious LT. Kohnen from 023 days. That pigeon chasing moron who likes to hear himself spew on the radio all fuckung day long. That incident with him and running the eh of 1343 and thinking that 2343 was handling an accident in 013 isnt even the tip of the iceberg. The guy is on the radio on saturday coordinating a fire that was happening in 023. He's talking all kinds of shit but to find out, he's sitting at the corner of Lawrence and Sheridan the whole time. Turns out he says he was just trying to see how his sgts handled pressure. I dont think so. I bet u were too scared to go anywhere near that scene cause those same sgts probably would have beat your ass and thrown you in you coward. Or because you were sitting at Lawrence and Sheridan you were probably stopping people from feeding the pigeons. In other words you are a bold faced PUSSY who cant stop talking on the radio for two fucking seconds. You dont know what the hell you're doing cause you spent so many years hiding inside. You are probably afraid of your own shadow. Do the entire district a favor, shut the fuck up. Your voice makes our skin crawl and you tie up the air with your endless bullshit. Go back to an inside job cause you're no good on the street. And if you want to help at a job respond there dont be scared or is it that you just don't know what the hell you are doing. You are a disgrace to the men and women of this dept. You dont deserve to wear this uniform. Men and women of the north side districts: be aware this goof is a danger to you and all other police officers out there. he will screw you if he can. he was once an inspector and he still thinks like one. I have watched him while he sits in his car: all he does is fuck with his pdt. he does not go to jobs. he calls people and asks if you showed up and how you provided service. he is trying to move up the ladder by fucking another cop. He was caught harassing a female p/o in 023 at the xmas party and when he was told to take a hike he got all defensive even though his dog ass ugly wife was only 10 feet away. now he's on the warpath. beware. Again his name is Bob Kohnen. He is a LT. although he's no better than a goddamn ppo. Please do not erase this message this is very important. This douchebag will fuck any copper that he can that is his goal. I know cause I have heard him say it. He wants to move up and thinks that he can impress our new boss by acting like a retard. Coppers in 023 be safe and stay away from this guy. he's bad news and for a LT he doesn't even know his fucking GO's.
IF YOU READ THE ORDER LIKE YOUR SUPPOSED TO YOU WILL SEE IT SAYS EACH MEMEBER CERTIFIED IN THE USE "WILL" CARRY IT ON HIS PERSON OR THE TRUNK OF HIS CAR. SO NO EXCUSE FOR CLOUT SGTS!!! EVEN IF IT IS THE ROIDED SGT T.W.
Oh by the way bob kohnen has a hard on for pigeons. he details a 023 car to spots where people feed pigeons to keep them from doing so. turns out he was spurned by one and now he has it in for all pigeons. Especially the 1's.
the sergeant gets paid about $17K more to do certain things, among them are to train carry and be available with the Taser
It is a new duly authorized piece of equipment to deal with today''s more complex law enforcement situaions
If the Sergeant doesnt want to do what he is expected and paid to do then perhaps it is he who should go home to HiS mommy
And the W/C should see to it that the Sgts are doing their jobs. Just like they see to it that the POs are doing theirs
Glad im retired
Anonymous said...
ridiculous if true rumor going around
DID the new Sup. really send a new recruit class home on the first day, after they had quit their jobs, the class put on hold????
The new Sup wants a review the training division staff?
any truth to the rumor or as usual is it just hot air Could he even do that?
2/10/2008 10:57:00 PM
If this is true this would be incredible! Most like a matt tobias bullshit story, he has to tell a lot before he is indicted!
Demote the DC of 17th Dist and launch the SGT!!!!!
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Who is the current DC of 017?
Waaa! Waaa! Waaa! Waaa! Waaa!
I'm not a Chief of Detectives!
I'm not a Commander!
I'm not a Captain!
I'm not a Lieutenant!
I'm not a Sergeant!
I'm not a Detective!
I'm not a clout baby!
I'm just a "little bitch pussy" making $75,000 plus a year.
Waaa! Waaa! Waaa! Waaa!
Send Billy Schield!!!
DID the new Sup. really send a new recruit class home on the first day, after they had quit their jobs, the class put on hold????
City hall cancelled the class before they entered the academy. After the final power test, they were completing paper work and were told go home by city hall. Some already quit previous jobs. J-FED was NOT involved. Hiring freeze by city hall, no recruit classes scheduled in future. Very cold to tell those future recruits to stop paperwork and go home. No one cares.
**017 isn't the only district where the Sgts. don't carry tasers check 007 & 008, 3rd watch. I believe that according to GO they have to sign one out and do not have to carry it on their person, but have to have it in their possession (in the trunk). Double check with the union & file a CR against a supervisor that doesn't want to do his/her job!!!!
Ummm...not sure where you are getting your information but you are WRONGQ!! They MUST be carried on the weak side of the duty belt. Once again...blah, blah, blah and you can't back it up with anything factual. List the general order where I can find what you just said.
What a punk! Perks like 19th dist sergeants committing a sexual assault while on duty or how about Spike A ( death investigation). or maybe a now Capt who was a DUI with his unmarked take home care killing a women crossing the street.I got a hundred of them, Who the fuck you kidding Sergeant your a white shirt. I've been around 27 years, tell your lies to someone who doesn't know
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Idiot!!! Those are not perks - those are criminal acts. Sad if you don't know the difference. I do not defend the sergeants you spoke about. Putting on a white shirt doesn't give the right to commit a criminal act - if they do - fire them and lock them up. This is not different than if a "blue shirt" commits a criminal act. These are not perks - perhaps the sergeants you speak of are CLOUT heavy. That is completely different. Been a sergeant for 14 year, on the job for 23.....so I do know what I am talking about. Just be very careful about mixing criminal acts and perks up.
teh SGT should be Promoted!! Isnt that the way our system works!!!
NOBODY HAS UR BACK BUT U!!!
Screw the Tazers and mace. AR-15's for every blue shirt.
First off coward, a white shirt is management they are covered by the city for all law suites, second this is a lie never happened. City gets sued and the law suit also names the sgt yet he is covered by the city. are you sure you guys have an education
and.......
First off coward, a white shirt is management they are covered by the city for all law suites, second this is a lie never happened. City gets sued and the law suit also names the sgt yet he is covered by the city. are you sure you guys have an education
You guys......if it wasn't such an important issue your ignorance would amuse me. The city will indemnify you a a lawsuit and they have and ill continue to do so. But they are not allowed to indemnify an officer when PUNITIVE damages are assessed. Get it? PUNITIVE...that's all you baby. Your house, your pension,your paycheck,your future...PUNITIVE baby!!!!! Just ask those sorry-assed Will county coppers in the Riley Fox case. Their futures are ruined.
...ommy and Daddy some of us on this job actually fought with bad guys using such out of date weapons such as six shot revolvers, wooden batons and sometimes we even had to put our hands on the bad guys and actually fight. Grow the fuck up and be the police before you talk all your shit about police work you have never done or been part of. Really miss the days when blue shirts knew how to be the police and there was a thing called The Chain of Command and real police officers took pride in the fact they didn't need to cry and whine to the white shirts to take care of shit on the street. Nothing but the
pussy police" nowadays.
2/10/2008 03:10:00 PM
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blah blah blah blah blah blah
citizens had respect for the police then.
bosses had respect for and backed up their blue shirts.
the media didnt crucify everyone with a badge and a gun.
times change asshole, lets start changing with them and use the tools and technology that we're afforded.
"I have a mental, instead of TRYING to talk him down Ill dump it on the Sgt. and ask for a Taser right away."
How about getting some extra training?
The training for the CIT program is great but it is a volunteer program -you need to sign up and take some initative. Contact Jeff Murphy or Bill Lange and they'll be happy to send you out an application. I think you can even get it on the intranet. You don't need your boss's permission, it gives you a week off of your regular assignment and you might learn a few things that might prevent you from needing a taser. The training involves a team approach with a sergeant carrying a taser to protect the two po's negotiating.
And it actually works.
To: 2/11/2008 07:28:00 AM
Punitive damages are usually only awarded and assessed personally to the officer involved if a wanton disregard for G.O., or delibarate and inappropriate act that falls outside the scope of his duties, or outside the use of force model occurs, not the proper use of a Taser. Lets fix the problem and get the Tasers to the people that are out there handling shit..the workers.. the FUCKING PATROLMEN!
That way we wont have the working coppers motherfucking the supervisors that refuse to carry a taser. If they dont want to carry one, and the G.O. does in fact state that they must (I havent read it but it seems to be quoted only in the arguments stating that it IS in fact required) First you have to find out if that Sgt is certified, and if so, get a CR. Respect is a two way street and if they expect us to handle our job, they'd better be ready to handle their own as well.
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I'm a Sgt. and I don't always carry my tazer. Usually it's because I can't find a holster that isn't broken in the radio room. Over half of ours are broken. What really pisses me off are the P.O.s, usually with less than 8 yrs on the job who just use the sgt. to make their decisions for them. And the use of the tzer is one of them. More than once I've shown up on a job where a tazer is requested and find out that the P.O.s have not even done anything to engage the offender. The guy has a scowl on his face and right off the bat, "Get a tazer." We are here to direct and supervise, not to make your decisions for you. Usually P.O.s call for Sgt.s to make a decision on not having to arrest someone or write a report. We're not here to hold hands or to get you out of doing work. You want us to carry the tazers all the time, so be it. But God help you the next time I show up on a job and you can't decide wether or not to lock up a shop lifter, or domestic battery offender. Or for all you F's who stand outside a residence cowering waiting for the sgt. to arrive when you haven't done squat to engage with an offender. You want equal respect from other P.O.s but don't think you need to do the same amount of work.
Bingo,I agree with you 100%. This job has turned into a bunch of pansies and pussies. You mean I might have to fight with a bad guy as a "real policeman"?
Please Sgt,Please Sgt. come and save me from the Big Bad Wolf,I am scared. This department is no longer the "real police" but a bunch of pussies and pansies....
DISGUSTING!
I could not agree with you more. This department has turned into a bunch of whining, scared cry babies who always looking to a higher authority for blame. Imagine this department 5-10 years from now. These bitches are going to be bosses!!! Look out Chicago!!!
Waaa! Waaa! Waaa! Waaa! Waaa!
I'm not a Chief of Detectives!
I'm not a Commander!
I'm not a Captain!
I'm not a Lieutenant!
I'm not a Sergeant!
I'm not a Detective!
I'm not a clout baby!
I'm just a "little bitch pussy" making $75,000 plus a year.
Waaa! Waaa! Waaa! Waaa!
LOL That was too funny!!! You are sooooooo right!
Taser is crap.
Anonymous said...
Perhaps the reason that none of the Sgts in 017 carry a taser is because one of them got sued and raked over the goals for using it about 3 years ago. Suit finally settled last fall but in the meantime the Sgt was made to feel like he was going to lose his home, his job and his pension.
2/09/2008 10:55:00 PM
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Bullshit! Grow a pair your fellow officers need your taser. So you got sued act like you were the police at one time and carry a taser for someone else. YOU are not going to lose your job for doing your job if you do it right!
MADE TO FEEL LIKE HE WOULD LOSE HIS PENSION AND HOUSE.........YOU ARE SOFTER THAN BUTTER!
I carry one every day!
I 'll be there when you need it and WILL DO MY JOB!
Whether I am still on the BIS program or not if I am working and hear the call I will be there.
We are supposed to be there for you guys and thats it!
1761/ SL
Sgt GoGo (1669) will Taze anyone who needs it...He is definately a Sgt who stands behind his people and works harder than any Sgt I have seen in a Loooooong time. The guy is NOT a clout baby and hopefully one day he will move up...The best part about him is he's not a jagoff Sgt...He will do whatever he can to help another PO..some of the Sgt's get a big head and treat the officers like shit when they get promoted...not GoGo the guy is a prince and I would work for him any place , any time! thanks for having our back GoGo!!
THEY ARE AFRAID OF COMPLAINTS!
VERY TRUE!
Do Officers carry their batons? How about ASPS? How about old-timers carrying five shot revolvers? OC spray?
2/09/2008 11:33:00 PM
I CARRY ALL OF THAT SHIT MEATBALL -
YOU PROBABLY DONT EVEN HAVE HANDCUFFS WITH YOU!
As most of us should be aware of, injuries can occur during a fight. These can range in severity from a bruise to death. Ideally we will win all the fights and come away uninjured, but the reality is that doesnt always happen. There are plenty of PO's that are on IOD and even injured to where they cant return to the job over some bullshit that the original victim never even bothered to show up to court for. However tough you think you are, there is always someone who is tougher or just might get in that lucky shot. Utilizing your options doesnt make someone weak and it is ok not to want to fight someone.
We have tools at our disposal to help us win the fights. One of the tools is a taser. Most of the time the fight is on without having a chance to call for one and you handle your business. But I have been in situations where I have called for a taser because there was time and the offender gave us every indication that there was going to be a fight the minute we walked in (this includes balling up of fists while standing in a corner with verbal threats). The choices in these situations are go ahead and start fighting (been there, done that, did my share of hurting, and of getting hurt), or call for a sgt. who should be nearby and equipped with a taser. 80% of the time when a sgt. shows up with a taser, all he had to do was point it at him and upon seeing the little red dot on his chest, the offender gives up without even a little struggle. Sounds like a good plan to me, we all go home uninjured. There is nothing wrong with waiting for a taser if you have the time. If the idiot decides to try to get away while your waiting the 5 minutes for a taser then your back to square one and the fight is on. Some of you guys talk real tough but it sounds like youve never been in a serious fight in your life. ITS NOT FUN. If it can be avoided by someone pointing a plastic gun at the idiot, why wouldnt you take that option? Calling someone a pussy for calling and waiting for a taser if they have time is like calling them a pussy for wearing a vest.
how his f'in tact sgt or anothetr tact or gang sgt....they should b the best to be on tact right???
stop blaming beat sgt's for everything they get shit on all the time WHERE WAS HIS TACT SGT OR TACT LT OR GANG SGT???
2/10/2008 10:25:00 AM
i can assure you they werent typing honorable mentions or department commendations
"The MORE shit you have on your belt, the LESS shit you have in your head."
What did you fucking kids do BEFORE Tasers?
Tasers work and are effective.
I sign one when I work
special employment at CHA. I have to be there for my officers.
Didn't an order come out not too long ago that stated that a log# would be generated for discharge of o.c. spray?
Given enough time they will demand log#'s generated for handcuffing someone, even if for safety during a stop.
Being able to articulate your actions will save your ass.
LEAVE YOUR FUCKING SERGEANTS ALONE!
When I first came on the job you NEVER called for a sergeant unless you had a major cluster-fuck.
NOW, I hear these dip-shit kids calling for a sergeant on a domestic because they don't have the balls to lock the assholes up.
If I was a sergeant and some punk called me for a taser, I would make him walk foot patrol when it's 20 below zero while I watched from the car.
You have your fists, your wooden baton, your gun AND YOUR BRAINS, learn how to fucking use them!!
What in the hell is going on in 023 2nd Watch???????????????? I am hearing true stories that sound incredible. Can anyone put some spin on this??????
Off Topic,
How's John C from M.A.I.U doing after his auto accident?
Is he still in the hospital?
He is a good guy, this is a bad thing that happened to him.
I am a Sgt, and I have said it before and I will say it again:
Anyone (Lt., Sgt or FTO) that is qualified and does not carry a taser should not be in the position that they are in. The taser is a tool which can, will and HAS saved many coppers from getting hurt. The main job of a supervisor (not FTO) is to insure the physical and legal safety of their subordinates. If you are too afraid of being sued, or of doing some paperwork, then get fucking lost. In my district (south side) not all sgts carry them. I have made comments to them and I have gotten told to mind my own business. Maybe I should. I'm not going to run to the Lt or WC, I'm not a rat. So I take one out every day and roll towards mentals and shit just in case. Not bragging, just stating fact. I will (and have) zap a motherfucker if he's got it coming.
But I would like to make 2 points:
1. There are not always enough tasers to go around. Thats a pity, the Dept doesn't fix them fast enough.
2. As previously stated within this thread: the taser is not a substitute for deadly force. If joe is is doing something that is putting your life in danger, or someone else's life, take action. As explained during the training-the taser is health insurance and your gun is life insurance. Do not confuse the two.
Follow me. I am ready.
The Keesings Bandit says---
..."Why is the north side always known as soft..."
I know for a fact that some of the north side is VERY hard, especially where other men are involved.
Now, kees me you fool!!!
We don't have a problem in the 009th District with Sgts and tasers like in 017 or 016. At times it can be a busy, violent place to work. There is always a supervisor with a taser assisting on jobs. We are fortunate to have white shirts in the Deering District that will go the extra mile for the POs. We are lucky.
When I read the first post about the Lt. in 023, I thought to myself don't tell me old Bob Kohnen is acting the fool again, but as luck would have it, a few posts down the road reveals that it was him they were talking about. I used to work with the guy many, many years ago. Give us some more stories. He and they are always good for a laugh.
Shame on any Sgt.for NOT carrying a taser based on concerns over a goddman lawsuit. The taser is an approved stun device, carried by tens of thousands of cops in this country and abroad. It has undoubtedly saved a lot of lives, even those of the assholes we bear the responsibility of getting into a cell in one piece. It also protects a lot of us from injuries that could debilitate us for the rest of our careers. I carry one every day I roll out, and I don't worry about some asshole filing suit because I've used it to prevent injury to a PO.
2/11/2008 05:52:00 AM
That is VERY fucked up. Daley is a cold hearted jagoff.
how about both ways, I never call for a Sgt. But you show up anyway to calls. I can handle shit, but its ok when you DECIDE to show up and fuck things up.
"I carry one every day!
I 'll be there when you need it and WILL DO MY JOB!
Whether I am still on the BIS program or not if I am working and hear the call I will be there.
We are supposed to be there for you guys and thats it!
1761/ SL"
I would be a little wary about calling this goof for anything. How he made Sgt. is beyond me. Nice job Sam! Making this guy and Zoolander are your legacy! Who's next, Bonaduce? What a fucking joke!
I talked to a Sgt today & was told that Sgts have to carry taser if trained. Get your CR#'s initiated boys & girls.
am a Sgt, and I have said it before and I will say it again:
Anyone (Lt., Sgt or FTO) that is qualified and does not carry a taser should not be in the position that they are in.
**I'm sure the people that work for you respect you for that!
LEAVE YOUR FUCKING SERGEANTS ALONE!
**They get paid the big bucks to make decisions. Let them earn it!
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