Clearance Rate to Fall Again
Evidently, no one wants any crimes solved. They just want a report number for insurance purposes and no overtime expended for any reason:
- Prompted by a class-action lawsuit, the
Detectives were informed Thursday that suspects have to appear before a judge within 48 hours of arrest or be released. The previous practice required only that charges be approved by prosecutors within that time frame. - Detectives said that the change will put them under much greater pressure to assemble cases hastily.
"They're tying our hands behind our backs," said one veteran detective, who asked not to be named. "It's just one more thing to keep us from solving crimes."
So evidently, we're just going to solve crimes by fingerprints, DNA and crime scene photos. And since it takes an act of god (or a white shirt) to actually get a crime scene processed lately, we won't be solving anything.... unless you actually catch someone in the act of burglarizing, robbing or killing someone.
Then the ASA will deny charges.
Then the ASA will deny charges.
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posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
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THIS CITY WILL BURN, AND SOON!!!!
"So evidently, we're just going to solve crimes by fingerprints, DNA and crime scene photos. And since it takes an act of god (or a white shirt) to actually get a crime scene processed lately, we won't be solving anything.... unless you actually catch someone in the act of burglarizing, robbing or killing someone."
Actually, crimes DO get solved by fingerprints, DNA in conjunction with crime scene photos among other things. And it doesn't take "an act of God" or a "white shirt" to "get a crime scene processed lately". It's simple - contact citywide 2 on your radio and request an Evidence Technician. Or, if it's a homicide, a crime victim in critical condition (likely to go south), or a major case, gunshot residue processing, etc., call the Crime Lab desk to request the Mobile Crime Lab PFIs (Police Forensic Investigators). There are certain things that E/Ts are not trained nor qualified to do - the PFIs are. If you have have any questions or need direction, just contact the Crime Lab desk for advice.
No white shirt or act of God needed. Just remember that in certain cases, and by Department Directives and Orders, the E/Ts and Mobile Crime Lab units work at the request of the DETECTIVES exclusively, not P/Os or Sergeants, etc.
That is all....
Fuck it...good be careful what you ask for you may just get it, liberal fucks! and you did... with the morale of the everyday beat guy at an all time low, the tact/gang/specialized unit guys scared to death of indictments for doing their job, the white shirts doing all they can do to prove "I wont stand for any BS" and fucking the work force day in and day out, and now even homicide detectives being hand cuffed at the hands of LIBERAL POLICIES (sorry, but no conservative on this planet would take up sides with a murder/rape/robbery suspect) THIS CITY AND DEPARTMENT WILL GO TO SHIT!
Mark my words, once the trickle down happens, and the criminal element realizes the CPD have such limited power the crime wave will hit...
and then you will have the LIBERAL media asking "what are the police doing?" and our City, bosses, and union will still be cowards, have nothing to say, and we, the working force will be painted and portrayed as lazy, do nothing pieces of shit who do not deserve a pension. But dont blame the media solely, they only go on what info they have. Until our own stand up and call BULLSHIT, we will be cast in this light.
I wish I could go back 15 years and slap myself in the face for ever wanting to be the police... we are screwed
SCC (and all that read this), Im confused... after reading the column about JA and his preliminary hearing, why was his BAC allowed to be introduced into a criminal hearing? An ISP expert testified that he was well above the legal limit based on his BAC hours after the accident. Wasnt this taken after he stated it was being given under duress? Is evidence taken as a result of persuasion that you will lose your job if you dont give it considered persuasion? Or did JA go to the hospital hours later? If his BAC was taken at the hospital, I get it. But if this testimony was a result of evidence secured by him being forced to blow or lose your job isnt that a violation of contract? Please explain this, because if the testimony was from ISP from an admiistrative process, then where was the FOP?
The long and short of this new CRAP:
The City has decided to pay Lovie and Lovy 39 million because we violated our OWN G.O. They are going to pay every shithead (already in the lawsuit) that has been arrested and not brought before a judge within 48 hrs an amount (yet to be determined) for every hour between the 48 and the time the judge saw them. Could be a couple hundred per hour or a couple thousand. Needless to say, L&L will make about 30 million on the deal. That being said, we did not violate any law, we just didn't follow an agreement we had with either a judge or L&L. Either way, we have to change the way we police now. No more grabbing the guy right away. Now the case will have to be "Pre-approved" by the State before we pick the guy up. I have seen the order and it already has a fucking typo. That shows you who is running the city.
I can't remember when it was that we entered into the Felony Review agreement. It is time to kill it. No more Felony Review!!!! That would solve all of our problems. They are the ones who make us wait until the time runs out. The City, before paying anything, should look at every case and interview every detective (which they haven’t because I am one of them, involved in the lawsuit and see what the delay was. An ASA can not be sued. They can not be held liable by State Statute. I don't give a fuck. Why should the tax payers of Chicago pay for the Cook County States' Attorneys' negligence? They are the ones who say, "You have 48 hours, see if he will confess." This is in the face of a video of the incident, four eye witnesses with positive ID, a video tape confession, and Jesus saying he did it. They ALWAYS run out the clock. In other instances, have any attorney poll every detective division and ask them if they were ever TOLD by an ASA, "The 72hr/48hr rule is YOUR rule, NOT OURS." We don't care how long you hold them, but we want a confession!!!!!Why the FUCK are we paying this? We are paying pedophiles, murderers, and 3(maybe 4) shithead who have been found GUILTY of shooting the POLICE. This has nothing to do with excluding the evidence. This is all about the City of Chicago Corporation Council incompetent political fucking hacks that we pay... Why the fuck would you pay someone for the time they were kept in custody, if they were not released after their arrest? Don't worry, just raise our taxes you cocksuckers@!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Another order by the incompetent:
It is wrong in that is says that a Watch Commander can approve a Homicide, unless they changed that rule.
It doesn't address more than two dozen different scenerios and hold the officer/detective/Watch commander liable.
A FEW EXAMPLES SO NOT TOO LONG A POST:
An offender for murder admits to it 46 hours in and their are three witnesses that he intended to kill in the first place. He gets charges but there is NO WAY you get him infront of a judge. Do you let him go? If not, you are liable for the duration of his prolonged stay. If you let him go, How did you just let an offender CHARGED with MURDER go? If he/she goes and killes the witnesses or other persons, who is liable? YOU IDIOT.....
What about patterns? 15 victim, 25 witneses? Well?
What about Investigative Alerts? GONE......
What about I/A's with out of town victims?
What aout offenders arrested for other crimes (PSMV/AGG bat to P.O./UUW/PCS) who have to be processed first for that crime and have an alert or were arrested during a different crime? How do we do it?
WE SHOULD DROP FELONY REVIEW. WE SHOULD HAVE A LIASON TO THE ASA'S IN EVERY AREA TO "ASSIST ON CASES" TO MAKE THEM BETTER, BUT WE SHOUL BE ABLE TO APPROVE CHARGES OURSELVES (OR W/C'S) AND WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THEM AT COURT SO THEY DON'T GET DUMPED.
watch the murder rate sky rocket.
welcome to the CPD Jody!
Hope you stay long enough to see that this city is a joke.
Why is the city going to settle?
How about getting rid of the Corporation Council all together... after all what do they really do?
You know what, most victims now-a-days are liberals anyways. If they get raped or a member of their family get killed in cold blood, let the motherfucking CSI people catch the offenders. Who cares in crook county anymore? Fuck if some asshole pulls a MAKBART on any of our families or friends chances are the offender will be floating anyways. Stay safe and watch each others backs.
I'm picturing Chicago become like Detroit in "Robo-Cop".
Once again. This stuff wouldn't happen if we had the proper training& didn't operate in the Persian Bizarre manner we're known for.
He's only a witness Sarge "wink, wink" as he rots for 4 days, cha ching! gotta luv the ot in
da D Unit
SCC, what's up with this dig? you get turned down for an evidence tech or the crime lab lately? ...."And since it takes an act of god (or a white shirt) to actually get a crime scene processed lately..."
Great! Now it will be just like it is on TV!
WAKE UP PEOPLE, we are a city being run by crooks and thieves... lawlessness does not mater to the powers to be. These folks don't live in the impoverished neighborhoods and they are clueless as to what it takes to solve a crime. HELL WE AE A SANCTUARY CITY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sanctuary to who you might ask... illegals, murderers, thugs,dope dealers , terrorists, rapists from all other lands and we the police are forbidden to ask anything regarding immigration status. I at least can strap on a gun legally. The rest of the non police non crook population aka SHEEP are just victims waiting to happen. VOTE EVERYONE OUT OF OFFICE... WAKE UP CHICAGO.... stop buying the liberal media newspapers, DEMAND CHANGE.
More importantly...look at the quality of people they promote today. They don't promote blue shirts that were the police. They promote blue shirts that kissed ass and stayed out of trouble. Good luck CPD.
to you Mr. Supt. Weis here is my two cents on how you can meet the men and woman of the Chicago Police Department.
get into your car don't tell anyone (not even your driver) (NO ONE) your schedule and head to any district and any watch you pick and walk into the W/C office and YOU pick a car to ride with then its just You and that person/s. that way you can get the real feeling and in's and out's of the back bone of the department.
You know as well as i do if you want the truth, then you need the element of surprise
get rid of the Deputy Chiefs of field group a b and c. you already have Deputy Chiefs of the Areas.
get rid of that central control group Deputy Chief ( that spot was only made for the former sgt that headed his security detail) and if you pick him for your 1st deputy we know your strings are being pulled by rich d.
o yes and how can i forget Deputy Chief Cronin he really needs to go (ask him what his function
OFF TOPIC BUT.... There really IS a Crook County and they are hiring!!!
http://www.policeone.com/careers/1656485/
Gee, it seems the det.s are not really that busy. You'll see them taking 2 hr. lunches, going home to chill on company time, working on different sports pools, etc. They just brought this on themselves, don't feel sorry for them...
The acting civilian boss at R&D is Jim Hickey.......need I say more?
Once again look who the lawyers are behind the law suit, they are big Democratic supporters. Do you think this is how they are paid back?
It is a legal way for the Democratic party to pay them back. The city corporation council SETTLED for 38 million. The plantiffs will get some of the money, the attorneys will take most. Similar to the tobacco law suit years ago.
The state law allows for 72hrs. The city under pressure from all the media attention over the torture of suspects in the 70's and 80's placed the 48hr rule. We are paying out millions for city policy, when the state law allows they way we do it.
Check it out I'm like the ScumTimes:
Yesterday I Saw Mopeah riding a unicorn and smoking crack.
I can play pretend too
Keep voting for Democrats!
Democrats like crooks and hate cops!
Democrats like terrorists and think our military is the problem!
Democrats hate God, the flag, the boyscouts, straight people, white people, men, self defense, guns.
Now what? Just read Tim evans will have the judges on call 24 hours, just what we need a drunk judge, or crabby and he will just say "fuck it" and let the assholes go! jody now you should put the dics in districts that way they will not have to drive and will be there at the onset to "hurry up" the charges! What about the liberals lazy asa's think they will call back quicker? LOL yea sure! Maybe the new boss could get his fed friends to step in and help? this liberalism is bad! if osama obama or hillbilly clinton get the nod God help us!
And the D-unit just like the districts are incredibly short! WTF! great no justice system! watch crime skyrocket now! Welcome to shitcago boss, look at the cluster fuck daley-blago- and their entire combine have done to all the tax payers!
This is almost exactly like a story I once heard:
A fellow was at the side of the road and couldn't get a ride. So he took out his revolver and he shot himself in the foot. As cars passed him by he cried "My foot is hurt - give me a ride".
Noone stopped because his foot was bleeding so badly, so after a giant heap (39 million dollars worth) of mud got flipped on him by a passing car, he again took out that revolver and shot his good foot.
Down the road he saw a big car, and in front of him he saw the puddle his fresh blood just made.
Get ready - and like the guy in the story, your Chief of Ds made YOUR own bed....
Okay, it isn't near that simple, but are there at least 10 honest-to-God-working detectives that think this is a good idea?
good fuck this city.....let the savages have....fuck solving crime..
E.T's are just like the Detectives...they cry and moan when you need them to come out. "I can't dust this car for prints because its raining." Hmmm I didn't know it was raining inside the car...my fault.
You can thank Terry Hillard and Karen Rowan for this legal bullshit...
Daly must keep supporting these legal firms, since the bar association is the #1 contributor for the machine. If I was an attorney I would work in Chicago, here is my golden egg. If I were a average middle class non-city employee, I would move the fuck out! By the way, let these liberals and gang's stay victims since they all hate laws and police. I for one never go out of my for there people and give them the most basic report.
I thought being a detective meant that some of you are actually smart. Listen up, dunces. You've got it all wrong!!!!!
You can hold someone for 48 hours without a charge. Once charged, the offender must have a bond hearing within ANOTHER 48 hours. You retards seem to think that the two 48 hour periods run concurrently. Of course, you are FLAT WRONG. Read the damm directive you idiots. If you are meritorious and don't understand it, ask a boss for clarification. Don't post erroneous shit out here on the web. Stop your bitching and solve some crimes.
Oh boy, if a PO or their family is a victim, tough luck, street justice will rise again. Crimes may be solved but offenders won't be arrested, just lots of warrants floating around out there.
They better start assigning judges to the Areas 24/7, that's the only way to get them in front of a judge. Forget about W/C's ever signing another hold order.
Forget about cases being made.
Hey, can Detectives write parkers and movers and get bus checks? That will be what they have to do to get activity. Another job down the toilet.
Only a few more years, a mover a day, 5 parkers, one bus check and a good set of blinders. that is police work today on the CPD. Someone better come with a signed and notarized confession or I won't slap cuffs on them.
goodbye CPD, what a fucking joke you have become. It now is Criminal Rejoice Day.
if the testimony was from ISP from an admiistrative process, then where was the FOP?
2/09/2008 01:21:00 AM
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The FOP was in court filing suit against the new practice of the States Attorney using administrative breath test in criminal proceedings. The FOP won the first round but the CCSA has appealed the decision and is going forward anyway.
The practice has to be challenged in court, and it is, and the FOP has to prevail. What do you think, the FOP can just say "don't do that" and it will stop?
Donahue sent letters to the CPD and States attorney's office, no good, this will have to be settled in court which is exactly where it is.
JA caught a break. Best bet for coppers, DON'T DRIVE AFTER YOU HAVE BEEN DRINKING. That way you don't have to worry about getting out of it, don't get into a jam in the first place. Drink in your basement or garage or back yard, not public joints with video cameras recording your alcohol consumption. How hard is that to figure.
Off Topic:
Imagine if the selection for police superintendent was run like this:
http://www.grand-rapids.mi.us/index.pl?page_id=4847&topic_id=281
Videos of the interviews accessable to the public?
Just imagine!
Every election WE have that 'window of opportunity'.
HAVE NO DOUBT, VOTE INCUMBENTS OUT
Look who is complaining again!
A bunch of whiners who , more likely than not, never solved a murder or typed their own closer.
(or ever shall)
Yes, hands are being tied. But not most of you who fill this blog with your nonsence.
Instead of whining try to organize yourselves into a professional department with one voice.
Your hollow complaints embarrass the old guys who are not dead yet.
Is my check gonna be in the bank on time? Stop worrying about being the police.
Anonymous said...
I'm picturing Chicago become like Detroit in "Robo-Cop".
2/09/2008 06:49:00 AM
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I saw "robocop" the other day and couldn't believe the similarities.
Here is the cast of characters:
The old guy that runs OCP is Mayor Daley.
Clarence Botticker is every criminal with ties to reverends and aldermen .
Detroit police on strike is the future CPD.
ED 209(the bad robot) is J-Fed.
Murphy/Robocop is Seiser.
drop felony reviewtakes care of that
Another reason not to do anything anymore....
Nope, ETs are useless. It does take an acto of God to get them to process anything. Hers a hint, if you don't like the job, give it up and let someone who wants it, do it.
jody will fix this right ? he is gonna solve all the problems.
When are they making a new det class?????????????????
Again...last night 08 Feb,2008 the 017th dist was calling for a Sergeant with a Taser....second time in a week an officer needed a Sergeant with a Taser...and guess what? Disp: "1710"?
1710: "1710"
Disp: "Do you have a Taser? 1762A is requesting a Sergeant with a Taser respond to School/Monticello
1710: "Squad I don't have one"
Disp: "1750 Do you have a Taser?"
1750: "I don't carry one squad"
Disp: "1762 do you have a Taser sir?"
1762: "I don't have one but I'm responding to School/Monticello"
Disp: "Any Sgt in 016 have a Taser that can respond to School/Monticello"?
1669: "I have one but comming from Milwaukee/Foster..long way off"
Disp: "Ok I'll show you going"
1669: "99"
What does this tell you officers? The General Order reads that "Any member trained in the use of a Taser is REQUIRED to carry it" Why is it that 3 Sergeants in 017th Dist do not carry the Taser to protect their officers?? This is the second incident in a week!! and the 3rd in the last month that NO 017th Dist Sergeant had a Taser to help their officers!! A Sergeant from another Dist had to be called to come and help them and on one occasion the same Sergeant arrived at 4200 W Lawrence when they called for a Taser....(016th Dist Sgt responded) Officers...You need to get on your W/C or Commander and MAKE these Sgt's carry the equipment that is provided to help you or help save your life when you need it...NO EXCUSES!! just LAZY SERGEANTS....
This policy was put forth by City lawyers who caved in to the Loevy and Loevy law firm to settle the suit.
The city also agreed to let detectives for the most part be held punitively accountable for any damages awarded if a suit is again filed because someone was held past call due to the investigation. Nice.
Until you have worked a homicide investigation, you have no idea how hard it is to put the case together and to get it charged especially in the City of Chicago and Cook County.
Most people don't know about the amount of time it takes to deal with hostile witnesses, the uncooperative family of the victim, felony review, the time it takes to get evidence worked up at the state lab, the autopsy and to deal with our bosses over procedural issues.
Not for one minute did the city lawyers take these variables into account and other "what if" scenarios that occur daily in these investigations.
Not for one minute did they consult our bosses to maybe look at this more closely and ask them to come up with a strategy before enacting this policy.
And where are our bosses who should stand up and say, "hey stop, wait, there are too many variables and circumstances that affect these investigations. Lets look at this and ask the detectives how we can deal with this and effectively do our jobs.
Nope. Not for one minute. Just like the witness advisory. They never came up with any tools or legal strategy to work with.
They provided us with nothing to give us any leverage and still be able to abide by the policy other than some softened up training bulletin that is unrealistic and now this order that takes away time.
The city and this department have taken away the "MOST IMPORTANT" tools that detectives need to conduct thorough investigations for fear of bullshit lawsuits.
That is, "TIME and CONTROL of WITNESSES". Without that, you will see the clearance rate in the single digits.
They have taken away our ability to hold an arrestee who maybe a witness in our murder, rape, robbery etc.that we had been looking for, arrested on an unrelated charge. Thus, taking away our time to exam this potential witness.
Nice. No more hold papers. That also means no more investigative alerts without warrants on file and no probable cause investigative alerts. What's the use now?
They have no idea how bad they have made things now. Never took into account the "Look before you leap" way of thinking.
They threw caution to the wind and did it anyway.
Prime example that the City does not care about solving crime and giving the victims, their families, and the citizens the protection or justice they deserve.
The offender has to be in front a judge within a certain time frame...Heaven help us if we violate a criminal's rights! This just says, "To hell with the victim's rights!" The doors have just been flung open for criminals to walk until the DNA and/or other evidence comes back with test results....about 6-9 months down the line. Yes, DNA and prints solve crimes but look at the time from when the evidence is submitted compared to the time the results come back. Unless it is a "High profile" case, take a number and wait at the rear of the line. See you next year with the results!
Signed,
Frustrated PO
have the W/C approve charges, put mutt or muttess in a vehicle and bring them to the rear dock of 26th and cal., call asa and tell them you have arrived with papers and prisoner and march in front a judge with the signed complaint; have asa make a proffer and get a bond set...on to the next case....
2/09/2008 01:11:00 AM
Very true it is only a matter of time.
THis controversy of appearing before a judge within 48 hrs. is not the law. This was made up by the police dept., city hall and scam lawyers to make us feel that we did somthing wrong. I would like to see what lawyers were hired and their connection to Eddie Burke.
Each time we talk to the State's Attorneys Office they tell up that this 48 hr. rule, new one or old is the departments rule and is not law. I have not critizied Chief Maria as yet but she is an idiot who has no clue what she is doing and knows nothing about investigations. We have her only because she is Cline's bumping doll. 35th St. is lying to all of us!!!!!!!!!
BREAKING NEWS!
The almighty Seiser was rear-ended on the Kennedy last night by a drunk guy with Allstate Insurance...
Some one wrote of entering into a Felony Revies agreement regarding these time constraints. We have no agreement. The SAO uses this 48 hrs. to bullshit us into delaying charges. When we complain they tell us "THOSE ARE THE DEPARTMENT'S RULES, NOT OURS".
Remember THERE IS NO AGREEMENT WITH FELONY REVIEW. This whole thing is a sham on the Patrol Div. and Detective Div.
Don't even ask for hold-over papers or think that a half a dozen lineups are going to be conducted before soneone is charged.
The detectives will take the charge(s) that are being sought that night and the rest will have to be done later.
The US supreme court has not changed their opinion that 72 hours is reasonable. Look at other cities.
This was brought about by hack lawyers in police positions giving in to their fellow bottom feeders.
Consent degree my ass. The public will pay a terrible price for this liberal democrat nonsense.
Actually this might be a good thing. Either the new rule or Felony Refuse will have to go. They cannot coexist.
Actually, crimes DO get solved by fingerprints, DNA in conjunction with crime scene photos among other things. And it doesn't take "an act of God" or a "white shirt" to "get a crime scene processed lately". It's simple - contact citywide 2 on your radio and request an Evidence Technician. Or, if it's a homicide, a crime victim in critical condition (likely to go south), or a major case, gunshot residue processing, etc., call the Crime Lab desk to request the Mobile Crime Lab PFIs (Police Forensic Investigators). There are certain things that E/Ts are not trained nor qualified to do - the PFIs are. If you have have any questions or need direction, just contact the Crime Lab desk for advice.
No white shirt or act of God needed. Just remember that in certain cases, and by Department Directives and Orders, the E/Ts and Mobile Crime Lab units work at the request of the DETECTIVES exclusively, not P/Os or Sergeants, etc.
That is all....
ok as a lowly p.o., i will not send out any more flash messages... because obviously the crime has already been solved by dna. Godlike CSI crap...I hope to be you someday...not
More importantly...look at the quality of people they promote today. They don't promote blue shirts that were the police. They promote blue shirts that kissed ass and stayed out of trouble. Good luck CPD.
Aside from the people who are meritorious, they promoted people who passed the test; obviously you weren't one of them and are bitter. Sorry, study harder...
With Chicago's reputation for paying out frivalous lawsuits, I guess your a fool if you don't sue for ANYTHING and EVERYTHING now days.
(BREAKING NEWS)
.........Prompted by the City of Chicago's LIBERAL SOCIETY. Chicago Police department has announced they are now forbidden to make ANY arrests.
This City should start filling its potholes with all the Liberals!!
We are fucked! No more photo speads no more Show up line ups, if the guy gets caught two blocks away 30 minutes later let him go/ And just pick him up later once all the shitty victims and witnesses can come in and get the spanish interpreter ready all in 40 hours??? Yeah we are fucked
DOPW, Soliting rides, Reckless, battery, Assaults will rise like a motherHumper
Crime Lab? The CPD Crime Lab is, and has forever, been a joke.
Does anyone remember when they first made the lab guys stop wearing suits? They were heartbroken.
Then they gave them those vans, instead of cars. They wanted to show the press the new Crime Lab vans in order to show the public how advanced they were.
They actually had to transfer equipemt from the bomb squad truck to the Lab. vans so it would make an impressive picture for the public. Seems their cars didn't have enough in them for a decent picture.
All smoke and mirrors ! Nothing has changed, all smoke and mirrors.
awesome, go nuts thugs.
Most working coppers have had a brush with the pen. ONly working PO's get in trouble,if you are a dog you will never get a CR#,lawsuit,court deviation,spar,TRR,etcetra. But this is why the city views working coppers as a liability and 9only wants to fire them immediately on usually trumped up charges.
Think about it,can you name more than a handful of bosses who ever did any substantial policework?
how about an over and under for future homicide clearance rates?....if some thought that the current mid to upper 30% was pathetic, where is it going in the future? I'll say mid-20%......
When Father Pfleger (sp?) and that lawyer complained about the police, Dale hired them for OPS. When Peter Karl complained about the police, Daley gave him millions to create a high school tv show. Now that Fitzgerald is moving up the ladder, Daley hires a FED to run the CPD and pays him twice. Am I the only one that sees this? Oh yea...OEMC too. Like he is really working 80 hours a week standard.
One comment states we didn't violate the law, we violated our own orders. I can only tell you that when you (individually yes, but institutionally definitely) are being sued, they will absolutely look to see if you are following your own rules, and when you aren't - YOU ARE A LOSER IN COURT.. guaranteed..
Basically, the past few years, the rules around here haven't been adhered to at all. There is policy in place to cover just about anything, but some of our esteemed leaders either don't want to read the policy, never read the policy or can't read , whatever, so they just make up new rules as they go along and totally disregard the in place policy. This practice is gonna cost lots of moola, it needs to be stopped.
Part of the problem here is actually having a policy that no one was following - this is the reason that Department orders are to be revisited periodically and revised and re-issued.
GO =5 years
SO =2-3 years
Administrative whatever they are, who knows, probablly in the same range as SO,
DN should have a definite end date, and to continue need to be updated and re issued.
Unfortunately, R&D has had so many command changes that they never catch up with the workload.
Also, in the frenzy to stop homicides, we have effectively stopped the administrative functions of the department, including R&D.
I hope the city's bond rating collapses so that there is no possible hope of obtaining the Olympics.
Lets start a letter writing campaign to Moodys and Standard and Poor to inform them of the police department.
A FEW EXAMPLES SO NOT TOO LONG A POST:
An offender for murder admits to it 46 hours in and their are three witnesses that he intended to kill in the first place. He gets charges but there is NO WAY you get him infront of a judge. Do you let him go? If not, you are liable for the duration of his prolonged stay. If you let him go, How did you just let an offender CHARGED with MURDER go? If he/she goes and killes the witnesses or other persons, who is liable? YOU IDIOT.....
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He has to go to court within 48 hours... was there nothing to charge him with prior to the admission??? They may have to reopen night bond court and have a judge or 5 available 24/7 for a PC hearing... Also they are gonna have to work the case, and if the guy is in custody, charge him, send him to court and continue the investigation until trial...
And, YES, the W/C etc. will be liable if mistakes, in either direction, are made... in other words, keep him too long, or cut him loose, approve charges or RWOC.. it is a choice that has to be made along with the investigators..
A BIG issue will be getting the Courts and the ASA's on the team here...
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What about patterns? 15 victim, 25 witneses? Well?
What about Investigative Alerts? GONE......
What about I/A's with out of town victims?
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The detectives are going to have to be able to hand off a case when they go off duty, in other words, there will have to be a detective who can work up the case as soon as the arrest is made, no more of that "Joe Detective is off the weekend, we'll put hold papers on him until he gets back to work" Someone will have to start the ball rolling. Out of town witnesses etc? Once again the detectives will have to do a more extensive job of it before putting out those I/A's, like current contact info, and the info that the ASA usually looks for when they are contacted for felony approvals... Also, a detective who issues an I/A should be responsible for updating it periodically, including removing it if the victim no longer wishes to pursue it etc.
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What aout offenders arrested for other crimes (PSMV/AGG bat to P.O./UUW/PCS) who have to be processed first for that crime and have an alert or were arrested during a different crime? How do we do it?
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Why can't a detective work up the I/A while the offender is in the lockup on the other charge? Another thing, perhaps the detectives should seek actual warrants instead of I/A's, the 48 hour rule doesn't apply to warrant arrests, only warrantless arrests...
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WE SHOULD DROP FELONY REVIEW. WE SHOULD HAVE A LIASON TO THE ASA'S IN EVERY AREA TO "ASSIST ON CASES" TO MAKE THEM BETTER, BUT WE SHOUL BE ABLE TO APPROVE CHARGES OURSELVES (OR W/C'S) AND WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THEM AT COURT SO THEY DON'T GET DUMPED.
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I agree with you here 100% we are doing triple work here, first the dicks work up the case and talk to the witnesses, then the ASA wants to have the evidence, BEYOND ANY AND ALL DOUBT - beyond what a PC hearing in court would demand in many cases - then the offender has to go for a PC hearing... geez, that is what the PC hearing is for.. and if a WC doesn't know what PC is, maybe he/she shouldn't be a WC...
2/09/2008 01:34:00 AM
Hey SCC,
Just FYI. The Kaspersky internet security program blocks your page because it classifies it as a Phishing attack saying that it collects personal information such as passwords and pin numbers.
Has anyone heard about the latest f*up bu Lt Garrido? apparently he sent a scathing e_mail to #exempt (all of the exempts) regarding how wrong they are about the new 48 hour rule. Didnt go over too well to say the least!!! lets see if they have the balls to move him to 003
Of course the SAO can say it's not THEIR rule...
48 hours boys and girls has been the decision of the Supreme Court of the United States... for some time now. Apparently CPD choose to ignore the high court's ruling in their day-to-day practice.
GO 02-03-12 (that was just recinded) gave very clear instructions that an offender, not arrested on a warrant, was to be presented in front of a judge within 48 hours (NOT CHARGED WITHIN 48 HOURS). The G.O. was in compliance with the high court's ruling.
There was also a Legal Bulletin published on the subject by Legal Affairs that reinforced the Addendum to the General Order.
That Addendum (12) also gave very clear instructions on how we were to proceed if the arrestee was not going to be CHARGED AND PRESENTED BEFORE A JUDGE WITHIN 48 HOURS.
The instructions required the Area Commander (well before the 48 hours after arrest) to consult with the Chief of Detectives to initiate step towards a "Gerstein hearing" (see Gerstein v. Pugh).
If the Chief of Detectives concurred that the case had merit, then he/she had to consult with DARREN O'BRIEN (SAO Felony Review Chief). If O'Brien concurred, then the CPD and the SAO would present the arrestee and their evidence to date before a judge WITHIN 48 HOURS OF ARREST for a hearing of PROBABLE CAUSE.
IF THE JUDGE APPROVED, the arrestee could then be legally held without formal charging for a maximum of 72 hours.
So here it is... the arrestee (arrested w/o a warrant) had to be in front of a judge within 48 hours... either charged or appearing for the "Gerstein hearing" of probable cause.
Apparently everyone in the United States knew about the Supreme Court ruling except members of the Chicago Police Department... even though we authenicated a Department Directive creating policy and procedure to comply with the Supreme Court ruling and reinforcing it with a Legal Bulletin and powerpoint training.
The line was drawn in the sand. Our leadership chose to turn and look the other way, ignoring the Supreme Court ruling and making up their own interpretation that violated not only the ruling but our own policy.
It goes without saying that the Cook County States Attorney's Office wanted a "dead-bang" conviction before they would approved charges for cases like Murder.
We could have a murder suspect in custody, the weapon used in the murder recovered, a signed or video confession by the suspect, and 3 eyewitnesses to the murder... and the SAO would still NOT APPROVE FELONY CHARGES.
Why?
They would give excuses like... "There is another witness or two that was identified in the investigation, but has not yet been located and interviewed.We won't approve charges until you (CPD) find them and we (SAO) interview them."
Now tell me... is that a valid reason to withhold charges for murder... with all of the other evidence obtained... including a confession?
Is that fair to the victim's family? No it is not.
Is it fair to the citizens of the City of Chicago to release a violent offender back on the streets when we know they killed someone... where he/she can commit other crimes of violence upon their release? No it is not.
The CPD bent the rules trying to "do the right thing."
Meanwhile the Cook County States Attorney is held harmless because they did not take the murder suspect into custody and deprive him of his constitutional rights to appear in front of a judge within 48 hours (one way or the other) - the CPD did that.
Now we will have to pay the price.
The Courts are planning to make judges available during off hours as a result of this, to help facilitate the time gun of these cases. It appears the courts are going the extra mile to "do the right thing" too.
The CPD will continue to be relentless in their efforts to investigate and bring for prosecution violent offenders in our society.
Let's hope that a new Cook County States Attorney FIRES DARREN O'BRIEN and replaces with with someone more realistic to make determinations on approving murder charges. It's time for a States Attorney to step up and do the right thing.
But first WE will have to pay the price...
19-Paul covers it all.
No paper, no waste.
Look at the quality of people they promote. Kiss asses and political hacks. In the old days you needed juice, but you had been a decent policeman. Today..promote someone who never got into trouble.
ONE MORE REASON TO DO LESS.
you mean I cant just send over hold papers anymore when you got someone in the district in custody, and I'll have to stay late talking to victims/witnesses??
If thats the case, how the fuck am I going to get to Skip's before it closes??
ANSWER ME THAT MR. SCC!!
TO: ACTUALLY WE DO,
YOU MUST BE A BOSS. FYI.. OUT OF 32 BURGLARIES ON A PARTICULAR BEAT IN A SPECIFIC SOUTHSIDE DISTRICT, PRINTS GOOD FOR COMPARISON WERE RECOVERED BY THE ET s EXACTLY ONE TIME FOR THE MONTH OF JAN. UNLESS WE SPOONFEED POSSIBLE OFFENDERS NAMES FOR PRINT COMPARISONS THE DET's DON'T DO A DAMN THING AND IN ALL FAIRNESS I DON'T BLAME THEM. ALL CPD DOES FOR THE GREATER PERCENTAGE OF VICTIMS IS PUT ON A DOG AND PONY SHOW. MR BOSS FYI THE OFFENDERS IN THE PATTERN WERE 12 THRU 15 YRS OLD.. HARDLY WHAT I WOULD CALL PROS YET ETs FIND NOTHING, GIVE ME AND THE VICTIM A BREAK. CLOUT vs PROFESSIONALISIM STRIKES AGAIN.
What does this tell you officers? The General Order reads that "Any member trained in the use of a Taser is REQUIRED to carry it" Why is it that 3 Sergeants in 017th Dist do not carry the Taser to protect their officers?? This is the second incident in a week!! and the 3rd in the last month that NO 017th Dist Sergeant had a Taser to help their officers!! A Sergeant from another Dist had to be called to come and help them and on one occasion the same Sergeant arrived at 4200 W Lawrence when they called for a Taser....(016th Dist Sgt responded) Officers...You need to get on your W/C or Commander and MAKE these Sgt's carry the equipment that is provided to help you or help save your life when you need it...NO EXCUSES!! just LAZY SERGEANTS....
2/09/2008 01:13:00 PM
let me make it simple stupid.
im not going to take a taser out. they ordered me to take the class fucknutz i not going thru a lawsuit. what about the fto's weren't they trained ?
what about field lt's/ tact lt's ?
o thats right they don't work 8 hours or they sit inside strokin the capt.
you dont like it find another job baby
"I at least can strap on a gun legally"
2/09/2008 07:54:00 AM
So can I,its called the Second Amendment.Remember,its the law of the land.
DEMAND CHANGE.
2/09/2008 07:54:00 AM
Well,since you say i cant carry my pistol,I demand a change that you cant carry off duty,just like in England.
The LAWYERS have f*cked everything. God forbid if they or one of their loved ones gets wacked or raped. This is total absurdity. Time to quit this job.
And where are our bosses who should stand up and say, "hey stop, wait, there are too many variables and circumstances that affect these investigations. Lets look at this and ask the detectives how we can deal with this and effectively do our jobs
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because none of our boses were dics or made any felony arrests....one didn't even know what felony review is.....this city is doomed.
Think about it,can you name more than a handful of bosses who ever did any substantial policework?
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answer: NO
Just tell victims and their families can't do because of this crappy lawsuit and outcome...Corporation counsel should bea ashamed of what they have done to victims and their families.
I agree, get rid of felony review. Put an ASA in each area...let them call the shots...let the victims and their families bitch to to the ASAs that someone is getting away with murder.
There goes the clearances. Thank you richie, corp counsel and bosses who have no balls. You have no idea on how this is going to affect clearing cases. The bad guys will skip town, witnesses will forget and everyone will get warrants. Hope the judges are ready for this.
Judges on 24 hour call...What a laugh....most of them work about 3 hours a day then its off to the gold course in summer...Evans, a long time liberal democrat hack, must be smoking crack. Hmmm, maybe with Obama.
Sounds like cook county will need to have a judge at 26/cal 24hours a day for all the heater cases...
"let me make it simple stupid.
im not going to take a taser out. they ordered me to take the class fucknutz i not going thru a lawsuit."
You're Management Do what your Told. If you can't handle the responsibility,then give up the Stripes& Go back to shining Shoes PUNK.
"Has anyone heard about the latest f*up bu Lt Garrido? apparently he sent a scathing e_mail to #exempt (all of the exempts) regarding how wrong they are about the new 48 hour rule. Didnt go over too well to say the least!!! lets see if they have the balls to move him to 003
2/09/2008 04:44:00 PM"
Highly doubtful, he provides a watering hole for Lushes&assorted ilk,just a matter of time before he's Commander of A5 Det.Division.
You'll see...
Only Detectives can request ETS? News to me. They determine what scenes they deem fit to process or not. ETs are elitist, CSI, wannabes.
Do you let him go? If not, you are liable for the duration of his prolonged stay. If you let him go, How did you just let an offender CHARGED with MURDER go? If he/she goes and killes the witnesses or other persons, who is liable? YOU IDIOT.....
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ahhhhh you are starting to learn! L&L will then sue you for letting witnesses get killed. Ladies and Gentlemen, we are the cash cow for the corrupt city insiders. Win, Lose or Draw, we get screwed and the tax payers pay out! These guys are good, got to hand it to them!
The FOP was in court filing suit against the new practice of the States Attorney using administrative breath test in criminal proceedings. The FOP won the first round but the CCSA has appealed the decision and is going forward anyway.
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Jesus F-ing Christ! If they on;y faught half this hard to put real bad guys in jail...
Regarding the new 48 hour rule......This REALLY seems complicated....... I think what we need is a fresh look at this.... maybe a brand NEW Lieutenant.... someone smarter than ALL of the current exempts and city lawyers.......hmmmmmmm.....IS there such a person???? Can ANYONE save us?????
Sounds like it's time for Night Bond Court in every Area in the city. That will probably create another new fake "Chief Deputy of Night Bond Court" position or some such bullshit title. A further drain on the pension. Oh yeah, a bunch of new bullshit city and county jobs too.
2/09/2008 06:49:00 AM
I'll buy that for a dollar!!!
The handwriting was on the wall that this state didn't give a fuck about clearnace rates when it was ruled that all homicide interrogations had to be videotaped. It looks like they're determined to be bring the clearance rate down to as close to 0% as they can. I'm leaving this fucked up state as soon as I can!
Only a few more years, a mover a day, 5 parkers, one bus check and a good set of blinders....
Thats a lot of activity, you know you really don't have to do ANYTHING. Been doing it for years.
DEMAND CHANGE.
2/09/2008 07:54:00 AM
Well,since you say i cant carry my pistol,I demand a change that you cant carry off duty,just like in England.
2/09/2008 09:19:00 PM
Go ahead and carry it...I will have no problem LOCKING YOUR ASS UP!
And if England is so great, why don't you move there TROLL!
To: 2/09/2008 09:25:00 AM
>>Gee, it seems the det.s are not really that busy. You'll see them taking 2 hr. lunches, going home to chill on company time, working on different sports pools, etc. They just brought this on themselves, don't feel sorry for them...<<
Hey ASSHOLE, explain to me how the detectives brought this upon themselves when this is a law. If you are so JEALOUS in what we can do, then don't call us go somewhere else.
The only thing that will be lower than the clearance rate is this morning's temp!
Happy 24hr holding time!
let me make it simple stupid.
im not going to take a taser out. they ordered me to take the class fucknutz i not going thru a lawsuit. what about the fto's weren't they trained ?
what about field lt's/ tact lt's ?
o thats right they don't work 8 hours or they sit inside strokin the capt.
you dont like it find another job baby
2/09/2008 08:56:00 PM
Your a fucking coward!!! Since your such a pussy why don't you resign from the rank Sarge. Doesn't the order say if you are trained on the taser, you have to carry one? Hopefully you made it by score, because whom ever put you up for promotion should be ashamed and fired for promoting an asshole like yourself.
i couldn't make it to the end of this thread.....too damn depressing.
the cpd will prevail only with luck from now on.
well, times are getting hard and soon the rubber will meet the road.
good, honest, hard working people will cry out for justice and have none.
a good time to be in organized crime- no, not the unit.
Highly doubtful, he provides a watering hole for Lushes&assorted ilk,just a matter of time before he's Commander of A5 Det.Division.
You'll see...
2/09/2008 11:08:00 PM
Who is "Lushes"? Where is this tavern?
Win, Lose or Draw, we get screwed and the tax payers pay out! These guys are good, got to hand it to them!
But if you knuckleheads would quit working and let everything go to shit it would change but no...keep on going out there and being the police to satisfy your own pathetic ego.
Most of those cases from the lawsuit involved cases when the 48-hour rule had not been implemented. The rule then was 72 hours.
Also in many of those cases the guy was in custody because the ASA CI'd the case because the suspect came up with a bs alibi. Can't find someone who does not exist or only has the nickname of "Pookie" or "Dollar Bill," or some other common name.
Officers who make arrests know what I am talking about. We argue with the ASA's ALL THE TIME. Most are not friends to the police. They aren't anti-police, just following the orders of that Devine.
They will not even approve charges without talking to their supervisor about three times on the phone.
follow the rules dont get jammed up, they can have a 5 hour rule for all i care. protect yourself and yours.
let me make it simple stupid.
im not going to take a taser out. they ordered me to take the class fucknutz i not going thru a lawsuit. what about the fto's weren't they trained ?
what about field lt's/ tact lt's ?
o thats right they don't work 8 hours or they sit inside strokin the capt.
you dont like it find another job baby
2/09/2008 08:56:00 PM
Your a fucking coward!!! Since your such a pussy why don't you resign from the rank Sarge. Doesn't the order say if you are trained on the taser, you have to carry one? Hopefully you made it by score, because whom ever put you up for promotion should be ashamed and fired for promoting an asshole like yourself.
2/10/2008 04:39:00 AM
I'm with you 04:39:00 AM, and I don't care if the order mandates it or not. If you aren't gonna do something because you might get sued, you better go get your shine box and sit in your basement, because anything, and I mean ANYTHING else you do will subject you to possible litigation...
You can hold someone for 48 hours without a charge. Once charged, the offender must have a bond hearing within ANOTHER 48 hours. You retards seem to think that the two 48 hour periods run concurrently. Of course, you are FLAT WRONG. Read the damm directive you idiots. If you are meritorious and don't understand it, ask a boss for clarification. Don't post erroneous shit out here on the web. Stop your bitching and solve some crimes.
2/09/2008 10:36:00 AM
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No, maybe YOU better go back and read teh order... charging has NOTHING to do with the order, it is BRINGING THEM IN FRONT OF A JUDGE/COURT.
2/09/2008 01:25:00 AM
Well spoken...
Thats why this blog is so depressing. The truth hurts.
Thats ok let them pay out, pay out, pay out.. I will be out of this shit hole soon and Those taxes that go up, up and up will be paying out my underfunded pension.
THIS IS CORRECT!!! If you drive up to a MURDER scene and the offender is standing there with the smoking gun in his hand, you must arrest him.
Now you call the Dicks, they ask you what do you have. Then the Dicks go stand outside the watch commanders office and wait til you bring the arrest report for in approval. As a Detective I am telling you the offender will be released without charges right then and there!!!
Nice job offficer, it's a shame we had to let him go...
Nice job JODI, Do you have any idea what it takes to do a MURDER investigation??? Of cource not, you have never done one in your FBI job.
Thanks for castrating the Detective Division...
Did you even research this order before you signed it? NO...
Does it say in the US Constitution one must see a Judge within 48 hours? NO...
Does it say in the ILL. Constitution one must see a Judge within 48 hours? NO...
Hey SUP, How long do you think King Richie will keep you around when the clear up rate drops to 20%?
Sgt. "EBAY" R.B. over at midway has related that he has extended his clearance rate items for another week or until earps make their bulk pickup.
to: 2/09/2008 02:12:00 PM
Some one wrote of entering into a Felony Revies agreement regarding these time constraints. We have no agreement. The SAO uses this 48 hrs. to bullshit us into delaying charges. When we complain they tell us "THOSE ARE THE DEPARTMENT'S RULES, NOT OURS".
Remember THERE IS NO AGREEMENT WITH FELONY REVIEW. This whole thing is a sham on the Patrol Div. and Detective Div.
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You haven't got a clue what the fuck you are talking about.
Have Lt. Ritchie Scotchbreath decide when to charge or when to release without charging. That will solve everything
Lt. Richie Scotchbreath took the pledge and went on the wagon for Lent. He's was also taking the 12 steps with Ratke until Ratke showed up shit-faced.
Garrido's screwed. Weis went nuts, Williams went nuts, Corp Counsel went nuts. He's still on probation after getting promoted, don't be surprised if he's reduced back to Sgt. Even if he is right - which he is. Should have followed the chain.
When you request an et or crime lab for a crime scene, pray that the moron sgt Hoot or his suckole Marv don't show up. talk about screwing things up.
DNA testing is expensive and time consuming. Unless you have a heater case you can forget about it.
Also, those pussy swabs (rape kits) are not worked up until a det. asks for it.
Inspite of the Crime lab's smoke and mirrors (dog-n-pony show) sgt Hoot still forgot the batteries for the metal detector.
Anonymous said...
Sgt. "EBAY" R.B. over at midway has related that he has extended his clearance rate items for another week or until earps make their bulk pickup.
2/10/2008 08:22:00 PM
LOL! sale! sale! everything is on sale! What is going to do when they come for him and shakes the clown! "another bowl captain"!
I pity the fool that locks up a retired copper for protecting himself
Why get so upset about 48 hrs. Detectives aren't solving crimes. Since when are we so proud of a thirty five to thirty six per cent clearance rate. Forget 48 hours, two out of three crooks get away with murder in this city anyway.
You're Management Do what your Told. If you can't handle the responsibility,then give up the Stripes& Go back to shining Shoes PUNK.
Surprising to hear this word "Punk" used against fellow officers on this blog. Apparently none of you know what a REAL punk is. Save the dumb ass comment for the streets where the REAL punks are. You bitch and moan, cry and whine, but you don't even TRY to get along with fellow officers. You DON'T call them names....we are family. Is that what this department has come to??? name calling, blaming, not supporting each other. We are no better than the rotten no- tax paying citizens we serve when we act like this.
Grow up and have a little class. Save the mouths for the street where it belongs.
I'm with you 04:39:00 AM, and I don't care if the order mandates it or not. If you aren't gonna do something because you might get sued, you better go get your shine box and sit in your basement, because anything, and I mean ANYTHING else you do will subject you to possible litigation...
Oh I see that reasoning doesn't apply to supervisors. Isn't that what the majority of these comments on this blog have said....don't do your job, answer your calls, don't go look for anything, that way you won't get sued? Whats good for blue shirts is good for white shirts.
Gee, it seems the det.s are not really that busy. You'll see them taking 2 hr. lunches, going home to chill on company time, working on different sports pools, etc. They just brought this on themselves, don't feel sorry for them...
2/09/2008 09:25:00 AM
What a douch bag! What does one have to do with the other?
Maybe if you weren't such a pea brained pussy who dosen't want to lock anybody and can't write paper you could pass the dick's test and take a two hour lunch.
What's the difference? Me taking a two hour lunch or you not doing shit for eight hours.
Go fuck yourself cry baby.
how long should a government entity be able to hold someone without charging them?
IMO, 48 hours is 48 hours too long.
if you have the evidence to bust 'em, charge 'em.
"Let 'em go Dannno"
how long should a government entity be able to hold someone without charging them?
IMO, 48 hours is 48 hours too long.
if you have the evidence to bust 'em, charge 'em.
2/11/2008 11:27:00 AM
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Too bad you have no idea what you are talking about...
"Is that what this department has come to??? name calling, blaming, not supporting each other. We are no better than the rotten no- tax paying citizens we serve when we act like this.
Grow up and have a little class. Save the mouths for the street where it belongs.
2/11/2008 10:31:00 AM"
Truth hurt a little too close to home Whiteshirt?
Perhaps if you didn't act like a Punk you wouldn't be called one
Marquette dinosaur said...
I pity the fool that locks up a retired copper for protecting himself
2/11/2008 12:48:00 AM
Its coming...it will happen.
Go ahead and carry it...I will have no problem LOCKING YOUR ASS UP!
2/10/2008 01:48:00 AM
You like your badge dont you,most Irish welfare recipients do,now go beat a barmaid.
Why would you lock me up for exercising my Constitutional rights??Special Special.
I have noticed that the dicks respond faster than they used too.
TO: Anonymous said...
how long should a government entity be able to hold someone without charging them?
IMO, 48 hours is 48 hours too long.
if you have the evidence to bust 'em, charge 'em.
2/11/2008 11:27:00 AM
You are a TOOL....and definitely have no idea what you are talking about
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