No More Writs?
We aren't sure what this means, but we're sure some detective can enlighten us. From our e-mail, we get the following:
- You want to talk about homicide rates going sky high and clear up rates going way down discuss the new policy coming down the pike once again tying the hands of ALL DETECTIVES, No more taking custody of cook county jail inmates on writs.
- The last several homicide investigations several of them HIGH PROFILE have been done on writs where the known offender is in the jail on other charges and the detectives need him @ the area for line-ups etc.
- The guy who buried the dude in the basement 5 yrs ago= writ
- Reginald Potts who killed the executive girl in Calumet City after stalking her= writ
- Several of the offenders from Univ. of Chicago student murder= Writ
How is this going to work and how will it affect the clearance rates?
posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
36 Comments:
There is an answer to this...The Cook County Sheriff's Police have a team of Cops at the Jail now. A bunch of really good guys that will go out of their way to help you interview/writ inmates out. This is not a joke, I'm serious, call them 773/869-6406
Whatever.
When will the Citizens and "Citizens" of this Shity learn that strict adhearence to the letter of the US Constitution is not conducive the protection of the citizenry PRIOR to them being victimized??
What the fuck? I'm RDO for the weekend and this happens? I've just mastered the art of the writ and I am on a first name basis with the SORT people over there. What the fuck happened?
We are now going to need a signed court order to get a mutt out of county. A problem but not a big problem.
If this is true look for a decline in clearances across the board...from murder to theft. Its basically like this for those in IDOC- if you know who it is...too bad- wait until they get out then pinch them and charge them... or if they die in prison then you can CCX...
Here is a real life example: An offender is in custody for Robbery at Cook County. A CODIS hit shows his DNA was left on a hat left at the scene of a homicide. Previously, he would have been writ out of County and interviewed by detectives. The presence of the hat alone is not enough for charging. A good detective would interview the offender on camera and get a confession. He would be charged. The new process demands any Detective wanting to interview someone on an unrelated crime get an arrest warrant. This is in contradiction to State law, however an Appellate Court felt that it could pull one sentence out of an irrelevant to the topic at hand IL Supreme Court decision and throw out the law. The result: If you wish to interview anyone in custody at County, they get an attorney. Therefore no statement. No charges. No conviction. Start with homicides, then move to rape, robbery, burglary and any other offense with a fingerprint or DNA, or many that just developed a suspect after bad guy got locked up for another felony. Over the past few years that would have been THOUSANDS of cases that would go uncharged, that people are now serving THOUSANDS of years for. This is not how a legitimate State legal system works. We want to keep our jobs, ours houses and our lives. With the formerly 48, now literally 36 hour rule, the no-writ rule, the no-chase policy, the jackpot justice in civil court, the media, the City and the revs against us at every turn, J-Fed is about to see why he is getting 300K a year: He will get the blame instead of these liberal policies coming home to roost in the form of a violent city. And with his huge salary, there will be no way to deflect that blame unless he acts fast. It may already be too late to save his career. Only a change in political climate in this City and State can keep us from destruction, and less and less of the CPD gives a fuck.
If the writ dont fit...you must acquit.
36.6% will be more like 6% pretty soon.
Ahhh, What Does WRIT Mean?
Yes boys and girls. As of now Detectives can no longer writ prisoners out of Cook County Jail for interviews, line-ups and to get processed for new charges i.e. First Degree Murder.
This was done based on an opinion from the Illinois Appelate Court.
As of now, no one has any idea as to what is going to happen as far as new procedures.
Rumor is the dicks are going to have to get spend more time to get a court order signed by a judge to get someone out for line-ups and interviews etc.
For right now some investigations are at a complete stand still.
Hmmm let's see now:
No writs out of county jail
Witness advisory policy
New 48 hour in custody rule
Can you say single digit clearance rate?
48 hr rule, no writs, video.... murder is now legal in Chicago
No writs, 44 hr holds, and you’re still supposed to clear the arrest. Cynicism anyone?
J-Fed says, "Whta's a Writ? If I don't know what it is or don't understand it, we don't need it."
Pallidin
i guess the 48 hours custody rule was based on too many clowns watching the "first 48" on TV
The city lawyers based this new "no writ" policy on the case of "People v. Campa" a DUI case. If you look this case up and the subsequent appellate court ruling you will see it has NOTHING to do with "writs". For those of you who don't know, Illinois Law states an offender must be brought to trial withing 120 days of his or her arraignment. Yes, that's right, 120 days. This 120 days is called the "term". If the defendant is not brought to trial within that 120 days "it's over", "done", and he or she is free. However if the state and the defense continue the term "by agreement" the term is extended for an indefinite amount of time, hence that is why we have two and three and sometimes four year old murders still in court.
In the case of Campa he was let out on electronic home monitoring and then required to report to some day reporting center. Each and every time he had a court date he and his attorney demanded trial. The state, in their ultimate wisdom, thought that since Campa was not "technically" in custody, but out on bond the term was not running and the days he was out on bond did not figure into the 120 days. WRONG! The state tried and convicted Campa 120 days after his arraignment and the Appellate Court threw out the conviction. How this relates to us getting a writ on someone already in custody makes no sense to any of us detectives...
Does anyone really care? Unless you, a coworker, or family member are the victim who cares!
I'd like to see how many judges would sign off on a writ putting his name on a potential beef when ol boy says 'homicide' beat him up when they took hims from the nice county. I say zero.
At least we can clear a ton of cases now without going through the trouble of doing a writ. My clarence rate is going up, that's for sure.
NO WRIT THATS HORRIBLE!
THAT MEANS THE CLOCK IS TICKING TO CHARGE A PERSON.
STATUTE OF LIMITATION? I SEE BURGLARY AND ROBBERY GOING TO SHIT.
HOMICIDE WILL JUST GET AN ARREST WARRANT...YEA RIGHT
HOW COME THESE RULE COME OUT AND NO ONES NAME IS ON THE BOTTOM OF THEM LIKE WHAT JUDGE OR WHAT ASA.
The result: If you wish to interview anyone in custody at County, they get an attorney.
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I think that was a good post, but I disagree that interviews in CC Jail automatically require an attorney.
Don't get me wrong, this is a major problem. The biggest being that the det. can't keep the suspect isolated while he disproves the BS alibi and confronts the suspect with his lies. The det. would have to take whatever the suspect says, end the interview, and then re-schedule a new interview to confront him with his lies. None of this will get to the truth.
Crook County/Chicago Run by Crooks, Judged by crooks, taxed by crooks. WAKE UP PEOPLE...... vote every last one out. Does society honestly believe that police can police anymore.
Dear Chicago Taxpayers, I can no longer offer my services as an aggressive, hard working officer who had only goal which was to keep your block gang/crime free. The powers to be have stripped my ability to help you enjoy your home and neighborhood. Please be aware that your neighborhood is mine also. The big difference is that a crook can sue me and a sympathetic jury will give him my home and my salary. Please understand why I no longer "harass the bad guys in your neighborhood", I need a totality of circumstances to harass/interview/arrest/investigate/inquire or just plainly speak to a potentional bad guy.
He will get the blame instead of these liberal policies coming home to roost in the form of a violent city.
don't forget all the section 8 shit that is moving north. they can't wait to tear our shit up!
Maybe 35th St. will be haunted by all of the spirits of the CPS honor students who done got shot while plying their honor student trade of trying to shoot the utter guy first.
I hear they are running out of clerks at 3th St. with all of the phony bodyguard details for the honor school chillen.
How about the reverands do guard duty for the kiddies. They can get guns from the dopedealing congregation or the city assholes can give them guns that had been conficated from the legit taxpaying citizens that were fucked over by the phony "gun police".
VOTE OUT ALL IN-SCUM-BANTS!!!!!
eVERY LAST ONE OF THEM - FROM THE alderthief, to da mayor, to da judges, to blagoboy, to the congress to the senate....get rid of all of them.
WE NEED A CLEAN SLATE!!!!!
anybody ever compare justice in other states to that (i.e., no justice) in Illinois?....how is it that arrestees in other states get convicted, and get sentenced to big time, but here in Illinois (and in particular, Cook County, where almost no one goes to jail); most get a pass, those found guilty get a mush sentence....says something about the liberals and the Democrats, doesn't it?
How many Armed Bodyguards does the Midget have?
Obama for President so we can have this type of shit country wide. Oh my God, the end is definitely near. For anyone who votes democratic, thanks a lot. It started with the Patriot Act and now it's local, the liberal nuts have handed over the keys to the asylum..But guess what citizens of Chicago, I got three big dogs and plenty of fire power, which all my family knows how to use, protecting my home. You only had us and now you don't even have that. Lock your doors, the boogie man is coming....
anybody ever compare justice in other states to that (i.e., no justice) in Illinois?....how is it that arrestees in other states get convicted, and get sentenced to big time, but here in Illinois (and in particular, Cook County, where almost no one goes to jail); most get a pass, those found guilty get a mush sentence....says something about the liberals and the Democrats, doesn't it?
Actually studies have been done. Cook County is the most overburdened judicial system in the country. That is to say, each prosecutor carries more cases, each judge handles more cases, each public defender more cases and yes - each police patrolman and detective - more cases.
Every State and every County are dealing with the same rules and the same Constitution - however Cook County stretches its' resources (and, not coincidentally those of the Chicago Police) to the breaking point.
It's all a crappy numbers game - and it isn't just the democrats. When you are dealing with crime such as we have in Chicago you simply cannot ever say "more with less".
That is as nicely as I can paint the situation and it is a damn shame that the "people" only want to devote fewer and fewer resources to criminal justice.
Too bad there are no politicians running on the platform of INCREASING resources.
Shitcago/Crook County thinking...
Convicted Felons can't vote, so the less criminals locked up, then convicted, the more votes for the DemocRAT Party,the politicians kissin cousins and most of our criminal element and their families.
Think About It.
Yeah the HIDTA team at the jail is great except what do I do with all my witneeses to view a line-up parade them down to the jail????
What about multiple cases your working, bring teh witnesses & felony review down to the jail, how many times have we had the offender taken out of the jail back to the office, for an interview its great for investigative purposes its not!!!!
anyone know the amount of homicides and agg/bats thus far in 08 compared to same time last year???? Heard it is up a lot but do not know exact #'s.
Let the city burn... so people remember they need the police. Crime has gone "down" so much all the yuppies and media think we are out there just to harass.
J-fed wants to come in like a savior and re-do everything. Say what you will about fatty phil,, he was a cop, knew the city, and his plans greatly decreased crime.
Think is bad now? What is Huessein Obama gets his sorry do nothing ass elected? Al sharpton on the supreme court?
Convicted Felons can't vote, so the less criminals locked up, then convicted, the more votes for the DemocRAT Party,the politicians kissin cousins and most of our criminal element and their families.
Think About It
What state are you from?
Mr. SouthSide says---
No more writs?? I thought it was no more grits! I need something else to have with my eggs besides rice.
...Say what you will about fatty phil,, he was a cop, knew the city, and his plans greatly decreased crime.
3/31/2008 10:34:00 PM
Please. Fat Phil asleep when his guys let their guys run amok is a main reason we are where we are now. And promoting an incompetent boob like the first female chief of detectives is an embarrassment to all of us unclouted women who refuse to break out the old knee pads.
Anonymous said...
Think is bad now? What is Huessein Obama gets his sorry do nothing ass elected? Al sharpton on the supreme court?
4/01/2008 10:34:00 AM
Your command of the English language is worse.
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