FTO's Dumped?
Got a letter or two about FTO's being dumped out of Districts of assignment. An example:
- On the last transfer order, there were several fto's that were transferred out of the 014 district against their will. All were willing to give up their fto position in order to stay in 014, but were told they would have to leave regardless. You would think if they were that short of fto's, they would start the new class and place them accordingly. Please warn those that passed the recent test that they may have to leave their current district/watch if they accept the fto position.
We've seen dozens of people surrender the FTO position to avoid being moved off their watches, so we aren't sure how the Department could move them from their Districts. We know that a few years back when the FTO's were in class, the Department out-and-out lied to them about being assigned to where they came from and over 50 resigned in protest. Is this another such instance but now they are refusing to allow resignations? Or is the letter writer mistaken?
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 2:00 AM
110 Comments:
precedents are being set...and WE are lambs being sent to to the slaughter, the funny part is that WE do are not 'getting it'...
ALL unions should get together and STAND UNITED...
TOGETHER, all united, our voice will be heard.
SCC
I think you have to address the recent TRU situation. How many PO's were dumped, 70-90 ? The vast majority went to less than desirable districts and more dumps are to come.
Is this a strategy used by the city used to circumvent the contract ? To con PO's into going to TRU and then dumping them into districts that no one wants to go to so they can fill manpower ?
Sounds to me like another gaffe by our clueless boss J-Fraud!!! I guess J-Fraud forgot there is a thing called a contract. The FTO's have to call flop and have them do something other than pay us lip service!!!
They're attempting to set precedent wherever they can to erode seniority rights.
Hey SCC, off topic - Checkout an article by Dan Conley on Salon.com called "Look Homeward, Obama". The National Democratic Party is terrified that media attention on Chicago will leave the folks in fly-over country with a bad taste in their mouths once they see how things work here. This former Mayoral speechwriter makes our fair burg sound as if it's a common sense, problem solving, consensus building Camelot. Read the comments after the article too. Some are side-splitters!
A majority of FTOs today are horrible. Why? The job is not what it used to be. The FTO today has taken the job for the money, not because they have some skill to offer. Today's FTO are in it for D2 Pay. In our district it's like one out of 6 FTOs actually know what their doing. If they didnt screw with the FTOs a few years back, we wouldnt be in this situation, nor would most of these recruits today be so badly trained as they are. I dont feel sorry at all for the FTOs in 014. As with most jobs, units, and positions on this department, did you really think you had a say where you were to stay?
The number was more like 22 officers resigned from the FTO class in the third week of training (2003). They made the announcement that the training districts were cut down to 12 districts. They made the announcement during field sobriety refresher training. Needless to say nobody learned anything in that class on that day.
and morale just keeps going DOWN......................
To SCC do you think you could put a legend (under the column on the right)to the acronyms used to describe all things CPD for those of us who love the blog but sometimes arent sure what the hell you guys are talking about...Thanks...FLIAH(Fireman living in acronym hell)
Yes I remember well the day that we were going to have to leave our district, our watch (days) and our regular car that we worked to get. I feel that the department never respected the hardworking FTOs and that was a wrong move. Now they have very few people who want to be FTOs and they can thank themselves for the demise. That's right, you reap what you sow!! So keep f456ing with the FTOs and you will get great results.
Anyone that takes this new position has got to be stupid. They guys from 014 were willing to give up the FTO position but were still forced out. Not sure if they are detailed out for 90 days or are gone for 1 yr. as if they bidded out. One guy made his phone call and got put in 025. Is it really worth it to not know what district or watch you will work? I can understand a SGT. or LT but not an
FTO.
Another strike against a failed system. FTO program is a diaster. No respect for the program or position. Why are FTO's resigning? They beg officers to take the test and pass almost everyone. Qualifications and training is lacking. Numerous FTO's were promoted and moved to inside jobs? Why must a FTO teach computers at academy? FTO's must be restricted to working with recruits and treated with respect. This will really cause more distrust with the position. 35th street just does not understand.
My morale is way up...You can wear my uniform boss..
I'm not an FTO, but the way I have seem the Dept. treat FTO's over the last 6 years, I am surprised that we have any FTO's at all.
Maybe they could look into the FTO D-2 paid girl at midway on midnights and use her in 014 doing the job she is paid to do! Why does she brag "I make more money than you!" Guess since she brags she has a summer home next store to a commander she can do whatever she wants! Same job different pay,again CLOUT!
I bet they were dumped against their will to other districts.
There were 4 FTOs transferred from 014 to other districts. Three went to 009 and one to 015.
At least 3 had been in 014 for 5 years or more. I can't imagine them just all deciding to leave at the same time. They were all well liked and respected in 014.
W.C. was one of the few african american officers in 014.A solid cop and great guy.
L.G. is a former Marine and longtime Tact/gang officer before becomming an FTO.
J.S. nice well rounded copper who had been an FTO practically since he was a P.P.O.
I didn't know J.V.
But it seems suspicious!
Take care guys, you'll be missed. 009 is lucky to be getting them. Say Hi to the District manager L.R. formerly of 014.
GONZ is one of the most deserving guys on this job he should have been made on this last sgt's class its bullshit how this dept. continues to fuck the good guys the guy is one hell of a copper all those merit pricks wouldn t make one gonzo.
Bank on this one, a little birdy tells me that JFed wants to do away with all FTO's and then institute the rank of "Corporal" just like other departments have. He really has no idea what Corporals will be entitled to but he wants them to train the PPO's.
Talking about being dumped and response to a previous post which follows:
Verification from 015 please... Heard Walter Green is making a huge impression in 015. Tac Lt showed a list of guys he wanted on the team and showed the DC their arrest stats. DC said he wants his tac officers to mirror the community there (black), no regard for work history. He dumped his tac lt from the watch and then dumped him to 025 and picked a an officer with 7 arrests and over 100days on the medical. Not to mention that he has 2 and half years on the job....
and another guy they say is going up to tac his shoes are always untied.
5/22/2008 07:33:00 PM
This is absolutely true- DC of 015Walter Green just sent a message to those hard working officers - work hard and you will get nothing - be a dog, do nothing, and get picked to go to tact/gang. Walter you don't know how you just destroyed MORALE in 015!!!! Not only did he slap the face of these officers who bring arrest on a daily basis but he also went and dumped the #1 Tact/Gang Lt who led the city in ARRESTS!!! He didn't like the list because it did not reflect the community (black), so he rather put dogs on the team than thank the hardworking officers but putting them on the team. And all because of their skin colot. It is absolutely true that one of the officers is black and has about 7 arrests and over 100 days on medical. So, now this particular officer (black skinned) was told from someone in the ranks in 015 to start making arrests. What a disgrace!!! Thanks officers - you who work your ass off everyday - and be slapped in the face becuase of your white skin color. Talk about reverse discrimination. Thanks Lt for putting up a fight for those officers who deserved to be on that list and sorry that you got dumped for it. Walter you lost a great Lt. and you disgraced the meaning behind hard working officers.
SCC,
I work in 014 and it's true.
Talking about being dumped and response to a previous post which follows:
Verification from 015 please... Heard Walter Green is making a huge impression in 015. Tac Lt showed a list of guys he wanted on the team and showed the DC their arrest stats. DC said he wants his tac officers to mirror the community there (black), no regard for work history. He dumped his tac lt from the watch and then dumped him to 025 and picked a an officer with 7 arrests and over 100days on the medical. Not to mention that he has 2 and half years on the job....
and another guy they say is going up to tac his shoes are always untied.
5/22/2008 07:33:00 PM
Does this surprise anyone??? The ASSHAT IDIOT Walter Green did the same thing to SWAT.... dumped 16 hard working, well trained guys because of some BS about C.R's #'s???!!! Why? because he & his guy Starks, wanted to bring in their "people"!!! Obviously even crazy J-fed saw through Walter's BS and dumped him to 015. Too bad he probably still has some asshole reverend or Starks crap keeping him in a command spot on this job.... when instead of being a CPD commander, he should be passing out street wise and pounding his chest on madison av! Thats more his speed!!! Oh but wait... it would be kinda hard to chase tail doin that...but at least maybe he wouldnt get anymore sexual harassment beefs! One last thing... go fuck yourself Walter!
I work in 015 as well..... everything u have read is true, its a shame, lots of young, smart hard working police who just opened their eyes to the reality of this shit racist department.....done...........let them have the west-side. we r done, green can explain himself to downtown,,,,,,, L/T kane was a great leader in the district.. will be missed.
Crystal ball says their next move is going to be making FTO/Corporal a pre-requisite for promotion to Sgt. One way to swell the ranks of FTOs. Also a way to divide POs and break the union.
i think the bigger issue is that they still send recruits to 014? What in the world will they learn? They should've stopped sending recruits there back in 2000. All PPOs should do 3 years somewhere busy. Need to stop sending PPOs to easy districts.
all the guys from 014 are good fto s. willie is one of the nicest guys you can meet.juan and gonzo are both good guys that try to teach each ppo all they can. good luck guys and god bless. you will be missed
What's about to happen !!!
1. ALL FTO'S WERE RATED BY D/C'S !
2. THE EVALUATIONS SENT TO ADS OF ACADEMY/PERSONNEL !
3. 014 HAD A RATIO OF SEVERAL FTO'S PER PPO !
HENCE THE MOVES BY THE CITY !!!
BEAN COUNTER SAW THE NUMBERS AND MADE THE CALL.
4. A REVAMP OF TRAINING DISTRICTS !
5. IF A CURRENT FTO IS NOT UP TO GRADE PER D/C-PERSONNEL-ADS ACADEMY !
YOU WILL BE DUMPED
6. THE CURRENT POSITION WILL BE REVAMPED AS A SERVICE GRADE POSITION NOT ( PO ASSIGNED AS )
HENCE 2 STRIPES ( CORP ).
7. ALL FTO'S HAD A MEETING WITH THEIR D/C'S AT WHICH TIME THEY WERE EVALUATED FOR KNOWLEDGE, LOYALTY, ETC.
THIS WAS FOR THE DUMP PORTION
8. THEY CAN MOVE FTO'S IF THE SPOT AT THE DISTRICT THEY ARE DETAILED TO IS REMOVED .
IE; REMEMBER AS A FTO YOU ARE ASSIGNED TO THE ACADEMY AND BID TO THE DISTRICT YOU WANT TO FTO IN AT WHICH TIME YOU ARE CARRIED AS A PO IN THE DISTRICT BUT RATED AS A FTO IN THE ACADEMY SO ITS A GREY AREA AND 35TH STREET KNOWS THIS.
9. IN THE NEW CONTRACT I BELIVE THAT FTO'S WILL BE REPLACE BY ( CORP ) LIKE THE LAPD. AND THAT ( CORP ) OR SENIOR PATROLMAN WILL BE D2A AND A MUST HAVE OR DETECTIVE TO BE MADE SGT. SO A PROGRESS PROMOTIONAL SYSTEM WHICH HAS A BOTTOMS UP APPROACH LIKE THE MILITARY WILL BE IN PLACE NEXT CONTRACT.
MY 2 CENTS A FTO IN 015
PS. REMEMBER THAT ONLY A JUDGE CAN MAKE THE CITY DO ANYTHING AND THAT OUR CONTRACT IS ONLY AS GOOD AS WE WANT IT TO BE OR ALLOW IT TO BE.
( C-Y-A )
Verification from 015 please... Heard Walter Green is making a huge impression in 015. Tac Lt showed a list of guys he wanted on the team and showed the DC their arrest stats. DC said he wants his tac officers to mirror the community there (black), no regard for work history. He dumped his tac lt from the watch and then dumped him to 025 and picked a an officer with 7 arrests and over 100days on the medical. Not to mention that he has 2 and half years on the job....
and another guy they say is going up to tac his shoes are always untied.
5/22/2008 07:33:00 PM
Everything Wysinger did over the years Green destroyed in a month. 015 was a working district that was great for training now the only training is don't work and make tact. Alot of PPOs in 015 have more arrests than these dogs. Way to send a message of hardwork amounts to nothing.
015 TAC/Gangs was always a joke. While it is certainly bullshit to give someone a spot because of his/her skin color, it is nothing new. For years in 15 there was an "italian" team and an "irish" team. Getting onto one of these teams had little to do with one's arrest stats. and a whole lot to do with one's last name. So while I think it is bullshit to dump anyone because of his skin color, I find it hard to sympathize with the highly political bagpipe playing Irish Lt. who while admittedly was competent and hardworking, played the ethnic favoritism game for years and now finds himself on the losing side of this game. It is funny how some ethnicities have a problem with favoritism when it benefits them but when the rules change they want to scream discrimination. By the way how may of you Irish P.O.'s who are now screaming discrimination can honestly say that you had your tac/gang spot because of the arrests you had on the watch? I bet it is very few.
SCC
I think you have to address the recent TRU situation. How many PO's were dumped, 70-90 ? The vast majority went to less than desirable districts and more dumps are to come.
Is this a strategy used by the city used to circumvent the contract ? To con PO's into going to TRU and then dumping them into districts that no one wants to go to so they can fill manpower ?
5/25/2008 04:19:00 AM
Yeah it was a conspiracy from day one, you goof!!! When you get to a unit, you sacrafice some of your rights, meaning you can be dumped at any time, with little or no notice at all. Maybe if you guys had a little time on, you might be able to bid to a more desirable district, Ass kopf!!!!
Another example of "Fuck A Contract, I'll do what I want to do." This Fed asshole has no clue. I foresee a class action lawsuit comming. One of many.
Anonymous said...
Maybe they could look into the FTO D-2 paid girl at midway on midnights and use her in 014 doing the job she is paid to do! Why does she brag "I make more money than you!" Guess since she brags she has a summer home next store to a commander she can do whatever she wants! Same job different pay,again CLOUT!
5/25/2008 10:17:00 AM
Is this not the same girl who says "I will use my clout and be working days doing like I did before nothing"! Sorry honey your backstabbing the time keeper did not work she is staying so maybe that d-2 pay would be better served as an fto right!
I love how those of you that know nothing comment the most. The female you are talking about at midway is NOT and never was an FTO she was a dispatcher 9155 FTO is 9164. She was a dispatcher when they had PO's as dispatchers so until you know stop commenting. The FTO program is a mess because they will not get rid of useless FTO's. You can blame managment for that because FTO's are evaluated by them and all get passing assessments so now you know who to blame.
Bob Mangan FTO 015 3rd watch
Take the FTO's that are hiding in inside spots and dump them to the street. They're getting D2 pay to sit inside with no recruits.
Like RS in Information Services who was light duty forever, then miraculously recovered to become FTO and was on the street as FTO for less than 6 months before she came back inside to hide.
There is NO incentive for the FTO's and FTO's are not respected by the bosses.
Bank on this one, a little birdy tells me that JFed wants to do away with all FTO's and then institute the rank of "Corporal" just like other departments have. He really has no idea what Corporals will be entitled to but he wants them to train the PPO's.
**Sounds like Los Angeles to me.
Quit smoking Gonzo's schlong!! He is a good guy, and a hard worker, but so are a lot of people. Why are the hard chargers leaving tact? Because THOSE WERE THE DAYS!!! Arrests do not compute into promotionability, if that were the case, we'd be REALLY in trouble.
The FTO program is a shambles anyway. We have an FTO here in 006 on days who couldn't even tell you the last time he made a felony arrest; first, he's have to move his fat ass out of the car to get a real bad guy. Every arrest he makes takes half a tour of duty. Poor recruits, they gotta be some of the most frustrated cops in the hwole city on 2nd watch. And nobody has the stones to get rid of this FTO's fat lazy ass. This is what's wrong with the Dept. today. Too many problems that are staring them in the face that they refuse to deal with.
Can I just comment on the term "reverse discrimination" quickly?
A good point was made above, but you catered (I'm sure unintentionally) to the current mindset that such decisions about who is working tac in 015 is "reverse" discrimination. Such a thing does not exist. To say that this is "reverse" is to say that one group has cornered the market on being disrciminated against and that any discrimination by that group towards any other group is, thus, "reverse."
Discrimination is just plain discrimination. It's someone getting treated a certain way (usually like shit) based only on skin color, gender, religion, or sexual preference.
The most troubling pattern here is that calling this behavior reverse discrimination empowers one group to decide what is discrimination and what is a lesser form of "reverse discrimination." That then suggests that the "reverse" discrimination is merely backlash and who could blame this person who has been discriminated against for discriminating against others? This is the same pattern as how the "race card" came to be so often used.
Anyone who reads this, please, let's try and drop this term "reverse discrimination." Discrimination is discrimination. Black, white, hispanic, jew, male, female, straight, gay. Call it what it is. It's wrong regardless of who is affected.
So maybe I didn't comment quickly but thanks for letting me get that out of my system.
Verification from 015 please... Heard Walter Green is making a huge impression in 015. Tac Lt showed a list of guys he wanted on the team and showed the DC their arrest stats. DC said he wants his tac officers to mirror the community there (black), no regard for work history. He dumped his tac lt from the watch and then dumped him to 025 and picked a an officer with 7 arrests and over 100days on the medical. Not to mention that he has 2 and half years on the job....
Question, if this were reversed, if someone wanted his officers to reflect the white community...what would that be called?
I am so fucking tired of the race card.
How about alleged FTO JS from 15 now detailed to 606 who is still getting his FTO pay in a specialied unit, not training anyone. Isn't that something to look at. He's a goof and a heavy LAPA guy.
precedents are being set...and WE are lambs being sent to to the slaughter, the funny part is that WE do are not 'getting it'...
ALL unions should get together and STAND UNITED...
TOGETHER, all united, our voice will be heard.
5/25/2008 02:29:00 AM
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Let us all WAKE UP! This is the city's answer to our underfunded pension...DISPOSABLE POLICE OFFICERS, starting with the proposed changes in the contract:
*mandatory power test
*cycle out limited duty po's
*federal indictments
*downsize department AND privatize neighborhood security patrols
*parking ticktets now written by meter maids, sts & sans, now cta, who's next DAC members?
*TMAs (hourly employees)
With all the changes at the top exempts, commanders mostly all new to their positions (ppo status), who is actually in command?
ALL MEMBERS regardless of rank MUST COME TOGETHER, or else.
This is absolutely true- DC of 015Walter Green just sent a message to those hard working officers - work hard and you will get nothing -
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Crime will just go up in 015 and crimes go unsolved, and this DC just put these new tac officers lives on the line, they could be killed for thier lack of experience, and with less arrest, crime goes up and the DC has to answer to why.
also, IL state police reach their top salary step at ten years & at twenty years are eligible for 80% of their salary...
why does CPD have to work 29+ years for ony 75%, and max out their salary after twentysomething years..
no respect for cpd
Commander Walter-I-Would-Rather-Be-Black-Than-Green says---
It's all y'all white peoples fault.
Where are my puddin' pops?
How is it that a female FTO transfers into academy to teach inservice computers? 2 months on street as FTO then back into academy and no contact with recruits? RS, you are needed to work with PPO's! Clout always rules.
Could it be that they're being asked to leave 014 because they're dumb and useless? No offense to my fellow officers but I live in 014 and recently had an FTO show up in response to a call a neighbor made to 911. I found myself out there showing this so-called FTO how to enter something into the car's computer and how to word something on the report. I was shaking my head and saying to myself "Geez, a chimp could do a better job than this guy and he's an FTO..." If that's what's training our PPOs nowadays, that explains an awful lot. Sorry, but until these so called FTOs step up and get their acts together and demonstrate actual knowledge and competency, they'll get no respect in 014 or any district.
Is this a strategy used by the city used to circumvent the contract ? To con PO's into going to TRU and then dumping them into districts that no one wants to go to so they can fill manpower ?
5/25/2008 04:19:00 AM
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Another way of saying this:
Somebody help me. I'm stupid.
Thanks Lt for putting up a fight for those officers who deserved to be on that list and sorry that you got dumped for it. Walter you lost a great Lt. and you disgraced the meaning behind hard working officers.
5/25/2008 12:09:00 PM
I knew the tact Lt. from back in the day. Excellent police officer, great Sgt. Top notch guy that represents the very best this department has to offer.
If you are white and on tact in 015 this is the writing on the wall. Read it!
If you get in a tight spot, this commander will bury you.
Get out NOW or suffer the consequences later.
Who dumped those FTO s in 014?? There seems to be a certain troublemaker in that district. Who is it??
Got rid of the old boys club and replaced them with the BOYS club. Same circus different players. Did you really expect change. J-Fed comes in and not only doesnt anybody want to work for him but all the chat on this site sounds like racial tensions are at an all time high.
They don't need FTO in 014 because 014 SUCKS ASS!!!!!!!!!! ZERO WORK FOR PPO'S. Oh yeah and that WC on 3rd is horrible too.
Dont forget...New 015 tact Lt. was supposed to be a one for one switch with the guy we got from 002.
A/5 deputies offices put the brakes on LT P.K. going to 002 and had him sent to 025 instead. Take a break Paul, you deserve it!
Walter Green was in a class of mine at St Xavier (Stats) well he was there for about two classes. The teacher a PHd in stats asked walter green a question, (of course the phd could care less who or what he was) I have never heard such a long duh in all my life. This guy is one dumb ass. There were 75 student that summer class so this story can be verified. It was the same class Frances Comacho was tossed out of on here ass. lol
MAY B THOSE FTO'S THAT ARE TREATED LIKE RECRUITS SHOULD BE THE FIRST TO RECEIVE MERIT NOMINATIONS.
WHY NOT ITS A THANKLESS JOB THEY SHOULD GET SUM KINDA OF INCENTIVE.
I predict the second coming of Broken Star if all this 015 district shit is true.
Yes, There are many CFD FFs and PMs that read this blog and have a strange feeling that the 5th floor is now full speed ahead in union busting. We MUST get together and stop this abuse of the contracts we earned. If our leaders are soft heads then they should be replaced by someone with balls to stand up for us.
I wish that someone would make "FTO" (hahahahahahahaha) Dirty Red from 011 go away. All I've learned from him is how to put the arm on the Arabs for free smokes.
Aside from Walter Green, how many other exempts have undergone partial or full lobotomies?
take the fto program and shove it...i'll do my 8 and go home...and care less about anything else...no complaints here!
015 is in trouble, we where exempt from the crap because we all had each others backs... no skin tone... just blue shirts.... thanks for the kick in the ass... i cant wait to see you eat shit by july
i thought jfed had a bit of a brain, but thanks for Green u idiot, thanks a lot..... 015 is up 4 grabs
I work in 011. We need to straighten out this FTO stuff. I'm tired of getting split up from my partner to work with ppos. I have respect for the very few actual FTOs that we have because they do the work that I don't want to do...training new people. Granted there are some really crappy people that have never done real police work and have no business "teaching" people things they know nothing about. However, some of the real FTOs that we have know the street inside and out and should be passing on their skills.
This needs to be fixed ASAP. A phone call is a phone call, and I can't say that I'm ok with not having one..if I did I woulnd't still be in 011. In this department we all know you need one to get ANYWHERE. But using the clout rule in FTO selection is bullshit and a safety issue. These people are supposed to be training those that we will depend on to watch our backs for us. If they don't know what the hell they are teaching, where does that leave the rest of us?
But since nobody that can make any of these changes gives a damn, this is all a big waste of time. But at least we have SUVs and assault rifles to look forward to.
Hmmm...
FTO, 15 years on job to train PPO = $$$$$$
PO, 1.5 years and a day to train PPO = $.
Do the math, the department wins by making FTO an undesirable position.
Less FTO's = less $$.
Daley mathematics.
you vets in 015 are soft. you can leave that shithole but you choose not to. the grass is actually greener on the other side. you get what you deserve.
Anonymous said...
Bank on this one, a little birdy tells me that JFed wants to do away with all FTO's and then institute the rank of "Corporal" just like other departments have. He really has no idea what Corporals will be entitled to but he wants them to train the PPO's.
You lousy stupid ignorant FUCK! (J-FED)
What next, Special Police Officer In Charge? Go fuck yourself you crosseyed little prick!
This isn't the FBI. Collect your almost 1 million dollar salary and get the fuck out of here.
TAKE OFF MY UNIFORM waterhead!
The Keesing Bandit says---
I hope they do make the rank of corporal. Those two little stripes would look cute on me. I also won't have to change the color of my shirt. I look so hot in baby blue.
Now, kees me you fool!!!
I was in the FTO class where we were told we cannot go back to the district we came from, I checked my training rec and it says I have had the FTO training. So I called the FTO section since they opend my district as a training district again, so I asked if I can now train ppo's and take the empty FTO slots in my district, I was told no and that everyone from that class that left would have to take the test again and go thru the class again. What a joke!
Note to 015 disgruntled tact guys:
When you get through and remove Lt. Kane's schlong from your lips, pack up your stuff in the tact office...and leave. Tact team leadership changed in a number of districts when J-Fed made all the exempt changes. It's called CHANGE. It's great that you all love Kane so much. He's gone. Deal with it, or leave. It's been my experience that workers are rarely effected by change.
The FTO is in shambles - it always has been a train wreck.
But - what's the point of the 3 month training/evaluation period when any recommendations to can a PPO who obviously isn't capable go unheeded?
We have more than our fair share of PPO's who of course have the 'Yea, I know' syndrome. But - if put to task can't even complete a parker. We've had several who've been failed by FTO's only to go thru a 4th cycle and told by the W/C to 'pass' them.
Shitty FTO's or not, if they won't fire PPO's who are total morons - what's the point?
you vets in 015 are soft. you can leave that shithole but you choose not to. the grass is actually greener on the other side. you get what you deserve.
5/26/2008 03:00:00 AM
You are soft... we choose not to leave because we like to work...especially because the officers you work with makes it a good place to work. Back-up is phenomenal, and besides the few officers that don't care to be there, the other officers who work there are great to work with. A district is only good when its people are. Before Walter came it was a good place to work. The grass on the other side is NOT always greener... I have been there and done that. Wherever you go there is always drama, backstabbing, and BS. So yes - I now will "choose" to leave... and not because it's 015, it's because of the incompetent, racist, sexual harrasment DC we now have to work for, which I have no desire to work my ass for.
you vets in 015 are soft. you can leave that shithole but you choose not to. the grass is actually greener on the other side. you get what you deserve.
how would you know ppo? have you ever been to another district? Not always young ranger. go get em, you'll find out that its not always true.
Anonymous said...
I love how those of you that know nothing comment the most. The female you are talking about at midway is NOT and never was an FTO she was a dispatcher 9155 FTO is 9164. She was a dispatcher when they had PO's as dispatchers so until you know stop commenting. The FTO program is a mess because they will not get rid of useless FTO's. You can blame managment for that because FTO's are evaluated by them and all get passing assessments so now you know who to blame.
Bob Mangan FTO 015 3rd watch
5/25/2008 03:40:00 PM
Then why does she still get d-2 pay? Maybe she could come to 015 and help you out!
Anonymous said...
Could it be that they're being asked to leave 014 because they're dumb and useless? If that's what's training our PPOs nowadays, that explains an awful lot. Sorry, but until these so called FTOs step up and get their acts together and demonstrate actual knowledge and competency, they'll get no respect in 014 or any district.
5/25/2008 08:03:00 PM
Anyone and everyone can be a FTO. Selection process and training is subpar. FTO's have no motivation to work. White shirts treat FTO's very poorly. If there are bad FTO's, let sgts do something about poor performance. Stop ignoring the problem. I quit being a FTO, not worth the effort.
Walter Green was in a class of mine at St Xavier (Stats) well he was there for about two classes. The teacher a PHd in stats asked walter green a question, (of course the phd could care less who or what he was) I have never heard such a long duh in all my life. This guy is one dumb ass. There were 75 student that summer class so this story can be verified. It was the same class Frances Comacho was tossed out of on here ass. lol
5/25/2008 10:48:00 PM
I do not know the instance you mention, but Walter is the dumbest man ever on the CPD and Frances is the most over the top intense and psychotic woman on the CPD. He is way stupid! She is way nuts! She wants what Walter has, a gold star, and if it happens, omg, run from where she is assigned to command. It will be unbearable.
NO surprise there... the dept has a history of doing this.... which is why very few people sign up for FTO.... too bad that the most vital position on the department (in my opinoin) is the one that is shat on constantly....
Capt. D, on thrid watch watch in 14sucks. I am sorry about your daughter's situation, but don't take it out on us! Stop the retaliation! You might be brought up at J-FED's next metting. Go ahead send your spys. Maybe just good management is the solution, instead of retaliation.
Hmmm...
FTO, 15 years on job to train PPO = $$$$$$
PO, 1.5 years and a day to train PPO = $.
Do the math, the department wins by making FTO an undesirable position.
Less FTO's = less $$.
Daley mathematics.
5/26/2008 02:47:00 AM
i like where your going with this but there is a little white half sheet of paper called an out of grade sheet and when you are training a recruit just fill it out and for that day you get paid just as an fto
scc. you need to start with problem ppo,s.....fto in 021 got 20 days suspention, she was a problem in the academy and has caused nothing but problems to everyone she works with. but because of who she knows will stay on the job and somewhere down the line will cost the city millions.
Can I just comment on the term "reverse discrimination" quickly?... Discrimination is just plain discrimination...
5/25/2008 04:50:00 PM
As they say in the west side - U rite office.
I will make sure that I don't use "reverse" anymore, because you are right Discrimination is just that - Discrimination.
There is NO incentive for the FTO's and FTO's are not respected by the bosses.
5/25/2008 04:13:00 PM
as a lt. there are several fto's that i respect and appreciate, so don't lump all of the fto's, acting or otherwise in the same group.
What everyone needs to realize is Walter "His Royal Blackness" Green don't give a shit!!!!!
He had enough clout not to lose his gold star but not enough to keep him south where he be from. So they sent him as far west as they could so he quits. But he fools them and stays untill he feels like going, after all pays the same. And if he can fuck things up he gets a little revenge.
I went to TRU last yr. I was treated very well but I left. I now sit and drink Grande Latte's on days and watch the girls go by. I may have 4 jobs if that but I always get a 1hr personal after roll call and I'm home by 1730 hrs.
Life is good!!!!!!!!!
Listen up Idiots. If you are a working copper you will get screwed eventually. I used to work all the time, in court 3-4 days a week over 5,000 arrests (i have more than 15yrs on) blah blah blah. You know what , the asshole Mayor and his Gold Star clowns ruined this job. ITS OVER, DONE, FINISHED, NADA, ZIP, PUT A FORK IN IT. Find a nice north side district w/ low crime, good restaurants, nightlife etc.... Bid in and work a tour, a sight seeing tour. Get your coffee your paper answer your jobs, THATS IT. Go home safe to your wife and girlfriend or both collect your check. I just sit back and laugh at all these sell out meritorious Capt's, Lt's whatever who are cheerleaders for this dept. They can get fucked, let them come up with the answers since they are so meritoriously qualified. I look in the mirror every day and I see aformer fighter of the good fight broken by political influence and inferior leadership (and I'm a Supvisor-not merit). I have resigned myself to be a cog in ther wheel, spinning round and round going nowhere. That sums up the job (which I always loved) for me. Hurry retirement age, and so long Chicago and Crook county, hello anywhere but here.
if you think WG is fucking up 15...you should see what JD is doing to 021...destroyed everything HL implemented in 2 periods...everyone refuses to work..burglaries and robberies on the rise again...thanks JD YOU INCOMPETANT DOUCHEBAG!!!
WHO GIVES A RAT'S ASS ABOUT TRU?????
I hate crackas....
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I'd like to share a little something about Walter "Puddin Pop" Green. When this racist jagoff came to Special Operations he FLAT OUT asked and wanted to know WHAT WAS THE RACE OF EVERYONE ON S.W.A.T. Now good ol Puddin Pop and his boy Starks were all ready to put "THEIR" people in place while they could. They even went as far as dumping 16 guys from S.W.A.T. (including me). Now at first I thought it was the end of the world but now I realize change isn't always bad. In fact in this case it worked out great for me. Anyway Good Ol Puddin Pop and that little bitch Dana wanted change. So when opportunity knocked Dana did a little song and dance for the press and announced S.O.S. would be disbanded...however everyone in S.W.A.T. was to stay. LIE. So after we were dumped Puddin Pop got right on the ball and tried to fill the spots. However LT. Mancha told him "no fucking way, if you want your boys on they have to pass.". Now Puddin Pop was not happy but he had no choice. So what Puddin Pop and Dana the Bitch did was force the team to have a tryout and a class before Dana the Bitch's tenure as Sup. would be over. TOO BAD PUDDIN POP...YOUR SHIT DIDN'T WORK THERE... FUCK YOU...R.I.H. So, sorry guys in 15 tact. Just remember go where it works for you. Don't do a thing for this thankless city. You probaly just saved yourself from a lawsuit or two anyway. Now I'm gonna think about where I'll eat at tomorrow and the girls I'll see on Division when I'm workin Fri night! STAY SAFE....DO NOTHING!
'I think you have to address the recent TRU situation. How many PO's were dumped, 70-90 ? The vast majority went to less than desirable districts and more dumps are to come."
MORON, TRU was not subject to the Bid unlike the FTO's that were successful bidders in their district.
Therefore, they served @ the pleasure of Mangement & could be launched anyday or Bid out if they so choosed.
Perhaps you'll put down your recent copy of Maxim Magazine & read the Contract.
"Sounds to me like another gaffe by our clueless boss J-Fraud!!! I guess J-Fraud forgot there is a thing called a contract. The FTO's have to call flop and have them do something other than pay us lip service!!!
5/25/2008 07:40:00 AM"
They've did this to the Det's that were launched to the JISC back in February. They violate the Contract
& if you don't have Juice you're SOL.FLOP is no help either in that regard.
Guess they'd rather piss away money than adhere to the Contract. Get used to seeing more of it in the future.
That's the typeof Goverment you get when it's Outfit run.
"As with most jobs, units, and positions on this department, did you really think you had a say where you were to stay?
5/25/2008 08:24:00 AM"
Must be stone idiot moron night. It's called a contract which under collective bargaining agreements the City is required to abide by.
I gather you're the biggest loudmouth BITCH when you get wronged be it real or imagined.
Anonymous said...
Hmmm...
FTO, 15 years on job to train PPO = $$$$$$
PO, 1.5 years and a day to train PPO = $.
Do the math, the department wins by making FTO an undesirable position.
Less FTO's = less $$.
Daley mathematics.
5/26/2008 02:47:00 AM
i like where your going with this but there is a little white half sheet of paper called an out of grade sheet and when you are training a recruit just fill it out and for that day you get paid just as an fto
5/26/2008 02:34:00 PM
That little slip doesn't matter unless they're on their cycles.
Camacho is a complete MORON!!! when she made sgt. and went to 001 she was aghast at the fact she had to go to midnights. She also told Capt Mullen(r.i.p.) that she was to good for patrol and wouldn't be there long, actually she was correct, she got out because Mullen couldn't stand her arrogance.
Her and Mullen had an argument over a general order, she told mullen I know the orders better than you because I wrote most of them. Mullen replied well you may have typed them but there is no way in hell you can apply them, get the fuck out of my office... shortly later she was out of 001 and off to some unit...
If she gets a gold star it is only because of LAPA, good luck to those who may have to work for her.
AFTER READING ABOUT WHAT IS HAPPENINGIN 015, WHY IN HEAVEN WOULD ANYONE DO ANY POLICE WORK.
When is the next FTO test?
You guys bitching about Camacho should be careful. You guys bitched about her in 012 and drove her out. She is now CAPS Lt. in 010. Continue bitching about her and someone at 35th St. will notice and figure if everyone hates her so much she is the perfect candidate for Command. Then she will win and we will lose.
5:00a.m., that was a refreshing story to hear about Capt. Mullen (rip), one of the last real/stand up boss' that I worked for, and work we did, because he had our backs. I have a similar story, that occurred in 007. There was a certain f/1, that worked the desk, but used to refuse to search female arrestees, so the car with the arrest would ask for a female to come in from the street for the search. Joe went off on a female on her way in to do the search, and then he went searching for the f/1 and found her hiding in the courtroom upstairs (back then there was a misd. ct. rm. upstairs). Needless to say, she did that search and was then on a beatcar the next night, she bid out to 003 the next period. Like I said one of the best bosses ever on this job. I am sure he is rolling in his grave to see what this job and city have become. Hey, SCC, maybe its time to do another Best Boss topic, its been a few years since the last one.
How about alleged FTO JS from 15 now detailed to 606 who is still getting his FTO pay in a specialied unit, not training anyone. Isn't that something to look at. He's a goof and a heavy LAPA guy.
5/25/2008 06:38:00 PM
This alleged FTO JS is no longer getting paid FTO pay because of his new detail. Just to let you know he is not a goof he could recite you any General Order from the top of his head. He knows his shit. Don't be a hater.
Oh well, I guess to remedy this situation, we should all get motivated and be "proactive" and make lots of arrests. Then the city will appreciate us more and then they will honor our contract.
Can someone please tell us officers in 015 where "pudding pop" for the 015 DC Green means- That is freakin hilarious- Officers in 015 would really like to know- so we can really laugh our ass off.
What's all this shit in 014 caused from???? Sounds like a real mess. Please advise/
What everyone needs to realize is Walter "His Royal Blackness" Green don't give a shit!!!!!
He had enough clout not to lose his gold star but not enough to keep him south where he be from. So they sent him as far west as they could so he quits. But he fools them and stays untill he feels like going, after all pays the same. And if he can fuck things up he gets a little revenge.
5/26/2008 05:58:00 PM
It was not a punishment, nor anything worthy enough to coax him to leave. The gasoline is free in his city car and besides, he is centrally located. He can throw a rock from his front porch and hit the front door of HQ.
Lets get the FTOs out of the academy and on the street!
Name some of the best past and present FTOs.
How about alleged FTO JS from 15 now detailed to 606 who is still getting his FTO pay in a specialied unit, not training anyone. Isn't that something to look at. He's a goof and a heavy LAPA guy.
5/25/2008 06:38:00 PM
he's not a goof, he was a very solid cop in 15 and 25, and he has never had anything to do with LAPA. keep your fat manpleaser shut if u don't know what you're talking about.
How about alleged FTO JS from 15 now detailed to 606 who is still getting his FTO pay in a specialied unit, not training anyone. Isn't that something to look at. He's a goof and a heavy LAPA guy.
5/25/2008 06:38:00 PM
Why don't you bitch about the female copper who is in the same unit who got there with supposedly 3 years on the job and had hardly any activity...and of course she got there because of who she knows and not what she knows.
HEARD jOE mULLENS NAME MENTIONED HERE AND I GOT TO SAY ONLY KNEW HIM HAVING COFFEE AT 107TH AND HALE IN 022 WHER I FINISHED UP AND WAS A VERY NICE GENTLEMAN NEVER PLAYED THE BIG IRISH EGO SHIT, IN FACT FOR ABOUT 2 MONTHS INTO HAVING COFFEE WITH HIM NEVER KNEW HE WAS THE POLICE, NEVER HEARD HIM KNOCK ANYONE EXCEPT MAYBE MAYOR STUTTERS AND DEMOCRATS, WAS A GREAT GUY, ALAWAYS A HELLO AND HANDSHAKE, SOME OF THESE BOSSES COULD FOLLOW THIS FINE MANS EXAMPLE
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Listen up Idiots. If you are a working copper you will get screwed eventually. I used to work all the time, in court 3-4 days a week over 5,000 arrests (i have more than 15yrs on) blah blah blah. You know what , the asshole Mayor and his Gold Star clowns ruined this job. ITS OVER, DONE, FINISHED, NADA, ZIP, PUT A FORK IN IT. Find a nice north side district w/ low crime, good restaurants, nightlife etc.... Bid in and work a tour, a sight seeing tour. Get your coffee your paper answer your jobs, THATS IT. Go home safe to your wife and girlfriend or both collect your check. I just sit back and laugh at all these sell out meritorious Capt's, Lt's whatever who are cheerleaders for this dept. They can get fucked, let them come up with the answers since they are so meritoriously qualified. I look in the mirror every day and I see aformer fighter of the good fight broken by political influence and inferior leadership (and I'm a Supvisor-not merit). I have resigned myself to be a cog in ther wheel, spinning round and round going nowhere. That sums up the job (which I always loved) for me. Hurry retirement age, and so long Chicago and Crook county, hello anywhere but here.
5/26/2008 07:55:00 PM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I am a PPO with about nine months of experience on the streets. Even I see it and I agree with you 100%!!! Being "the working police", "an aggressive copper", etc... doesn't mean jack shit and all it leads to is more trouble (i.e. lawsuits, C.R. numbers, pending C.R. numbers on top of current C.R. numbers, EVEN POSSIBLE CRIMINAL PROSECUTION AND A LOSS OF ONE'S FINANCIAL AND PERSONAL SECURITY). So fuck that, I will work hard by answering my calls and helping other PO's out.
Its time to dump the whole FTO program. It just doesn’t work. Let the academy train the recruits and just turn them out on the street. Hell, they are already being trained in most districts by guys with 3 – 5 yrs and no FTO stripes already. The selection process, evaluation process and monitoring of FTO’s has never been adequate.
Why don't you bitch about the female copper who is in the same unit who got there with supposedly 3 years on the job and had hardly any activity...and of course she got there because of who she knows and not what she knows.
and why don't we all complain about the fto thats in the commanders office still getting the fto pay. ohh wait i forgot, she's the ppo cordinatior. can't kick out the commanders boo and make her earn that fto pay. she hides in a office all day.
Bosses come & go in 015. I worked there for a long time. One thing that hasnt changed is the response to P.O's who call for cars. You get in a foot chase in 015 & 1/2 the district shows up. Its always been like that, and its what makes that place so great to work...
Can someone please tell us officers in 015 where "pudding pop" for the 015 DC Green means- That is freakin hilarious- Officers in 015 would really like to know- so we can really laugh our ass off.
he talks like a retarded bill cosby and always has a lolly pop or candy in his mushmouth like kojack thats way he is puddin pop green! by the way i will take all credit for that name i gave to him when he ruined sos and i got dumped
Can someone please tell us officers in 015 where "pudding pop" for the 015 DC Green means- That is freakin hilarious- Officers in 015 would really like to know- so we can really laugh our ass off.
he talks like a retarded bill cosby and always has a lolly pop or candy in his mushmouth like kojack thats way he is puddin pop green! by the way i will take all credit for that name i gave to him when he ruined sos and i got dumped
5/29/2008 04:16:00 AM
Great name!! We can't stop talking about pudding pop in 015 now - its hilarious.
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