Liberal Judge
- A Brooklyn cop's "guesswork" in making gun busts could shoot down as many as 20 pending weapons cases, The Post has learned.
Federal prosecutors recently dropped one gun case because of what a judge described as Officer Kaz Daughtry's flawed methodology, and now prosecutors from the Brooklyn District Attorney's Office are reviewing 20 pending cases on which the cop was the arresting officer, law-enforcement sources said.
Daughtry had busted Anthony McRae in Brownsville last September after he saw him adjusting something on his waistband.
His search found McRae was carrying a loaded .45-caliber Ruger and heroin - but it was the only gun he came up with in a three-day sweep.
Brooklyn federal Judge John Gleeson found Daughtry shouldn't have searched McRae because the convicted felon "did not move in a sufficiently suspicious manner."
Or you could just stop looking for those little indicators that make the hairs on the back of your neck stand up. We read something about it in a newsletter recently.
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posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
148 Comments:
Why do you bother with street stops? The current system says "NO" so why do it? Let the city burn.
here comes atty. gus munoz, piece of shit that he is...........
"shucked and jived". I've used that term all my life and at times, others have cracked up when hearing it from the first time. I get a mental image in my head when I hear that, and I know firsthand how this "furtive move" can mean trouble for the unwary cop.
SCC said:
"Look for defense attorneys to begin questioning what attracted your attention to their clients."
This isn't news, you should always be able to articulate WHY you were paying attention to a suspect and WHAT that suspect did to warrant your attention.
A Police Officer knows when something isn't right by observing certain behaviors based on their training and experience. A GOOD Police Officer can also effectively communicate WHY.
well they have been in crook county for a while. Clasp, burgeois, come to mind. Let the animals run free, we need them to control the cougar loving population.
"did not move in a sufficiently suspicious manner." Just great. Look for judges to begin defining in what manner a subject may move before the Terry rules come into effect.
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SCC ... are you purposefully dumb or what? I am no apologist for the judge, and I haven't read the entire decision, but from the information given, the judge did not disallow a Terry Stop ... he disallowed a search. You know the difference, so my only conclusion is that you are being purposely deceitful and rabble-rousing. I will also make a stretch and assume the arresting officer would be allowed a Terry Stop, and, if and only if, he was able to see the illegal handgun, without a search, the arrest would be constitutionally sound. Admittedly, the pat-down criteria were not addressed. Again, based on limited information, I will take a leap and reason that the pat-down, for which different articulable criteria are required in regards to the stop itself, would have been allowed.
So often the copper is quick to criticize the courts' decision, when, admittedly, it does make the coppers job of arresting bad guys, more difficult. However this hardship must be balanced by the fact that we do have constitutional protections. If you need more light shed on this picture your grandmother simply pulling on her waistband and this officer performing a search simply based on that. Does that bring it home for you? I am a cop, too, as most on this forum are ... but I am foremost a citizen ... a citizen very proud of the protections of the constitution against a repressive government.
When the gun ban is stricken by SCOTUS our job, arguably, may becomes much harder and more dangerous. However, our 2nd amendment rights trump my desire to be a safer cop.
Let's get some perspective, SCC ... and stop your rabble-rousing propaganda.
Thank you in advance for deleting this post. You have shown yourself to be a coward in the past with my posts even when they are harshly critical, yet not insulting, when you disagree with them. But, all in all, you do a great job and we do appreciate it, at least I do.
Job Title: Police Officer
Government: City of Elmhurst
Location: Elmhurst, Illinois (Pop. 43,298)
Salary: $57,540-$78,878/year
Closing date for application
May 19, 2008
Mary Bliss
City of Elmhurst
209 N. York St.
Elmhurst, IL 60126
800-343-HIRE
where is brian murphy
The Prophete here says that Lt. Richie Scotchbreath is a Police Icon and Hero and should NOT be disgraced. When he found that Magic Genie Lantern and made his three wishes... 1. Merit Promotion 2. Another Merit Promotion 3. Yet Another Merit Promotion, the Magic Genie was bound to grant these wishes.
Please let Lt. Richie Scotchbreath love, learn, breath, teach and yes, DRINK!
Richie Scotchbreath, my dear grasshopper, I shall watch over you and protect you!
Shall let it be written, shall let it be done!
Brownsville in Brooklyn?
NYPD radio Zone 22 which encompasses two precincts--the 7-3 (Brownsville) and the 7-5 (East New York) is arguably the most violent crime infested area in America. A while back, the two adjoining pcts. in Patrol Borough Brooklyn North had over 200 homicides in one year.
I work down in 001 and over heard Dep Chief Keating talking about some of the postings on this blog "J-FED WHERE'S OUR CARS". He was telling a LT. that there's nothing but a bunch of drunken blue shirts drinking in the downtown area and if he has is way; that they will all get time and he'll close all the bar's. Because the Mayor is unhappy with the headlines of drunken coppers. He seemed very up-set while talking to the LT about someone telling things about him on this blog.
Watch out friends who are in 001 & 018. This guy is no friend of Blue shirts or Sgt's. He also hates people drinking who work on the Dept. Said they all make us look bad.
WARNING:
STAY OUT OF 001 & 018 WHILE DRINKING, HE IS NOT MESSING AROUND!
If anybody thinks they have the GONADS to BAN Me, Lt. Richie Scotchbreath, from anything, please feel free to stop by old Tr's Pub and let me show you what my girlfriend, Opia Stanscankowski, can do to a person who makes such threats!
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Can someone post the POWER Test standards?
5/05/2008 12:31:00 AM
Wake up, go to roll call, get your paper and coffee, write 1 parker, get CTA check, personal, lunch, car wash, personal, check off and go home to your family.
5/05/2008 09:52:00 AM
Do a search for IL POWER TEST on the net.
First Execution Since High Court Ruling
Georgia executes a man who killed his live-in girlfriend. William Earl Lynd becomes the first inmate put to death since the U.S. Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of lethal injections. Executions had been on hold nationwide for seven months while the court considered the matter.
Officer, just because you saw the butt of the handgun at his waistband, what proof did you have that the rest of the gun was there?
Sounds like you were on a fishing trip officer, NOT GUILTY!
J-Fed, I am drunk and need a ride home and don't have your phone number. I hope you read the blog. Please pick me up at Circus Circus in Cicero Illinois.
Let em keep walking, is the answer.
Thst also means when the gang bangers are driving,flashing gang signs out the window u cannot stop them right? This liberal bullshit is causing many families to be hurt and people are getting KILLED! if obama gets in the crime will increase even more! "There is no such thing as a bad boy" another reason I am done working, thank God the weekend looks like cool weather! Wait until it gets really warm!
I don't have a problem with this ruling. Besides, we all know that this officer didn't see him "adjust something in his waistband". That's just textbook creative writing. These judges are catching on. This just makes us look even dumber than we already are. If you're gonna put it down on paper, then you better make sure it flies in court. Otherwise, next time you see Mr. McRae, just smile and wave "Hi." This officer would be lucky if there isn't a subsequent wrongful-arrest lawsuit.
I know it's frustrating, but look at it this way: The people voted this judge into office. They have every bit of confidence in his abilities to make important decisions like this one. So, if that's what the people want, that's what they should get. The next time you're driving through the jets and you see Ray-Ray standing on the corner minding his own business and you know damn well that he has a pistol and some dope on him, just tell yourself this, "Joe Citizen does not want me to stop this poor young underprivelidged youth and violate his civil rights. So, unless I see him pull out the pistol and start shooting, I'll just smile and drive on by."
It's gonna sting a little at first, but you become numb after a while. Then you eventually just smile at everyone and drive on by. The beauty of it is, we get paid good money for this shit!
Philly coppers in trouble after giving three future doctors an ole fashion ass beatin. Check it out at philly.com
The judge was a Sixties hippie and cop hater. That's why Hutchie Moore's likeness should be carved into Mt. Rushmore alongside four other American hero's!
I gave up looking for guns last year. Short story, My partner and I got a CR# for chasing a shitbird who had a gun in his waistband (I saw the gun). I caught shitbird a few blocks away, no gun (Looked everywhere, no gun). Shitbird tries to fight my partner and I take him down. Shitbird hurts his shoulder and goes to hospital. Shitbird gets CR# on us and signs affidavant. OPS makes it not sustained (I don't think this would happend with the new review board). Shitbird is sueing the city (city is giving shitbird money to go away).
The moral of this story
1. SEE NO EVIL
2. HEAR NO EVIL
3. SPEAK NO EVIL
I can't chase what I don't see. The blinders have been on ever since. I haven't gotten a CR# since either.
Shitheads 1
Working Police 0!!!!!!!
The Socialists who are taking over this country will just add more cameras to every corner. Police can't be the police so big brother can watch you more.
is this judge related to 'let em go leo' (holt)??????????
Have that judge apply for a job here. He'll fit right in w/the as*hole liberal cabal thats running this circus.
Maybe he'll even get to dismiss murder charges against a couple of thug kids that killed a little girl for her bike..............
Should we now ignore body language classes of old?
Seems psychologists world wide would have ample argument for this ruling.
And, the poor animal world, what are the real dogs going to do now that their hidden signals of ears, tails, and teeth have been debunked?
shame.
I would like a federal grant to show that all the other federal grants given to various organizations to find a solution to the violence is a waste of money
To 5/7/2008 1:41 AM
you my friend are a moron....real book smart I am sure but zero common sense.
At first I disagreed with you about the whole pat down thing. If you are gonna stop a guy for a furtive movement better pat him down FOR YOUR SAFETY....losing a case in court is nothing compared to having some piece of shit stab or shoot you. Only a fool Terry stops a guy and doesnt search him. Isnt this where the term "stop and frist" came from?
You made yourself look like a real fool by saying that by the gun ban being tossed your job will be more dangerous. I would bet my next paycheck you are not a cop and If I'm wrong and you are you have been attending night classes at U of C or N U too long.
Last time I checked gangbangers in Chicago and DC havent had any problems procuring firearms. Legal handgun ownership in chicago is not gonna make our job any more dangerous than it already is. The citizens who want to puchase handguns legally are your friends.....your enemies already have them. Oh yeah, when I went to the academy they reminded us more than once that there is always a gun on scene....YOURS....so act accordingly
The courts are doing this more and more...case in point: Tac officers arrest a guy for PCS at Linder & Fullerton. The arrestee tells A/O's that he got the cocaine from a man that lives at 24xx N. Linder. They get a search warrant and find cocaine, marijuana, 7 pistols, 2 AK-47 rifles, hundreds of rounds of ammo, 2 sets of body armor and police scanners. The arrestee, a self-proclaimed "pachuco" gangmember, tells the A/O's "I go to gun shows, buy guns and then sell them."
The case goes to felony court (branch 50) and the judge and SA decide that (motion to fix!) the whole thing should be downgraded to misdemeanor.
025 Court Advocacy and the DAC all attended both hearings and were rightfully outraged that this "straw buyer" felon was getting nothing more than a slap on the wrist! Letters were fired off to the State's Attorneys office and the Mayor - without a response.
People (coppers understand this all too well already) need to understand that the biggest disconnect to reducing crime is within the court system. The lax sentencing and examples like the one I cited above, all do irreparable harm to society.
The criminals are shown first-hand that their actions will have little or no negative repercussions. There is therefore no disincentive to curb their criminal endeavors.
Keep voting NO to each and every judge at each and every election. (except those that are pro-police and/or tough on crime).
Hey 1:47:00 am, I'm sure you are a much better police officer than I am but I'm pretty sure that if I saw a "grandmother" tugging on her undies, I wouldn't think twice about it...other than to think to myself that maybe she should invest in some new underwear.
But when I see a gang banging dog, (that's me profiling, i.e., prison, gun, dope. Most look very similar) tugging on his waistband, I AM going to throw a stop on him, I AM going to search him because I AM going home to my children. This will probably get your undies in a bunch but, I'd also have my gun out while my partner searched him or vice versa.
Your analogy is ridiculous. You sound like those silly ACLU a$$holes, that think stopping little old ladies in the airport is a good idea in order not to offend the Muslims. Go back and take your grandmother to the store to protect her from all of us "Big bad scary policemen who throw little old ladies to the ground on a regular basis.
You will wish you hade that M-4 when the Dem's give the nomination to Hillary even if Obama has the popular vote. That bitch will not give up and now she is going to put the squeze on the uncommitted super delagates. She is going to get it and then you will see mass riots like the MLK riots and guess what no national guard to bail us out. God I hope I am on furlo and out of town with my family watching it on CNN.
Off Topic;
Capt. E.V. from 010 got a raw deal. I worked with him and he was always concerned about those that worked for him. Class act.
Old Retired Guy
These "officers" who I question whether or not they really are officers, who are claiming this judge made the right decision must have never worked in a high crime area. Can anyone who has, honestly say you couldn't describe the actions an offender that would be carrying a .45 in his waistband would make when he sees the police approaching. Most of them can't hide their actions when they are holding a bag of weed, nevermind a handgun. They know they are dirty. Based on the actions and movements of this guy and the location he was in, you have enough of a reason to stop and talk with him. If you seen him making other movements that would indicate he might be possibly armed, you have enough to do a Terry pat down. After patting him down, you find the gun. Enough said. Doesn't sound like a problem in my book. And in response to the "officer" who is probably a liberal defense attorney in disguise, ..... "I will also make a stretch and assume the arresting officer would be allowed a Terry Stop, and, if and only if, he was able to see the illegal handgun, without a search, the arrest would be constitutionally sound.".... Are you nuts. Your theory sounds more like plain view and probable cause than anything related to a Terry Stop. This judges ruling essentially takes away any experience an officer has in being able to judge whether or not a crime is being, has been or is about to be (Terry) committed. Maybe we should have a ruling saying that judges can't use case precedents to make decisions in legal proceedings. Why should their experiences be relevant and not an officers. Goodbye proactive policing, hello reactive policing. Remembering to always articulate exactly what happened and be descriptive in your reports. It might save you later on.
God Bless Hutchie Moore!, even tho' it's his fault, even the police can't bring guns in to alot of courtrooms.
SCC,
Off Topic...I got a letter from mike mette yesterday where he told me that he found that the judge lied to "find his guilt"...he sent the info to kass as well as the iowa aclu and a handful of senators...he seems to be in good spirits...
05/07/08 @ 1:41:00a,
I'm not a cop and I'd bet you're not one either.
If in fact you are a cop, even a casual observer such as II can see you're certianally not what is called the REAL POLICE. My guess is you're more likely a lawyer-like REMF.
People like you insist on the taking away of every human tool (and the hardware shotguns, etc.) which police use to police thus giving the criminal every advantage and forcing people in low income areas to live in combat zones.
I don't know anything about the Terry law or pat down protocol but I can see how a good cop can observe and sense where a threat to the public is.
It would be one thing if the guy was scratching his ass but it appears by the move the man made and perhaps the form the officer subsequently observed in the guys clothing the officer had a reasonable belief the man had a gun. As a citizen that's enough due dilligence from a sworn officer for me.
Look you can't be on the streets day after day in dangerous areas and not gain a sense where trouble just as I'm sure a judge can't sit on a bench day after day and not gain a sense when he's being told a lie.
For what ever reason this cop guessed right and found a criminal. End of story.
If he'd brought the guy in for packing a joynt and the New York Times you might have an argument.
People like you who insist we give criminals the right to tee-off on us before we have the right to protect ourselves all in the name of protecting our rights are a concealed threat to our safety.
Off Topic-
I was away for a few days and just happened to read the post from the lost PO and the replies. I'm retired FD and my son is a young CPD PO. I want to say to each and every PO who responded to that young PO's post how grateful I am that my son works with people like you. I have never seen a more sincere outpouring of support for a fellow human being. I wish I could have you all over for BBQ and beer.
To the young PO. You are a lucky person to be surrounded by so many caring co-workers. Don't get down on yourself, the job, or on what you are doing. Have faith, my friend. You are exactly where you are BECAUSE God has a plan for all of us. And, because of what you are going through right now, I personally believe that you are going to be a GREAT cop.
To SCC: I notice you're getting a lot of crap and advice from all sides about this blog. Let me tell you this - it's posts like the ones I discussed above that makes your work so valuable. Like anything else, you gotta dig through a lot of dirt to find the diamonds. God bless you all.
Speaking of violence: A couple of nights ago in 023 a marked unit responded to gang members selling drugs call. Two officers arrived and began to interview 4-5 shitheads. At this time, 6 rival gang members decided to ambush the officers and the other gang with bats. Most of the offenders were caught and one officer was slightly injured. 023 3rd watch Sgt. BK, a merit puke, has the audacity to tell the involved officers they were partially responsible for victims' (gangbangers) injuries because they didn't protect them during the attack. Are we not supposed to protect ourselves first Bob? This guy is never on the officer's side and his stupidity is dangerous.
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Sgt. BK is the biggest jagoff, fuck face, piece of shit in 023. But, he was able to remodel his home, on the city's dime, while workin Tac.
scc check out what is going on philly. you think our brass would say what they have? doubt it!
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/05/07/national/main4076961.shtml
Fox news has shown the Philly ass kicking, beat down, stick stomp, at least 15 times since I turned it on this AM. That should bring out the Abatte beating again.
Crook county would hire that judge today.
Way off topic:sucks to to Philly PD today,15 po's caught on tape beating the 3 stooges,looks bad but we will see,good luck boys.
off topic: for those interested in k-9. start looking at cpd internet. application will be up shortly
To the second amendment officer. Go hug a fucking tree or cougar! It is assholes like you that are bringing our country down and making it less safe to live in. Ever heard totality of the circumstances, experience of the officer, time and location, and officer safety. Put all of those together with the adjusting of an object on the waistband and an experienced officer should have enough justification for a protective pat down.
I had a similar incident like that several years ago. Stop a van with two gang bangers, the passenger was decked out in Spanish cobra colors, seemed very nervous, was wearing a blk. puffy coat in the summer, no where near cobra hood, and kept his left arm real close to his upper torso during the stop. Hey liberal copper, what would any seasoned copper think these two shit heads are up to and what to do with these guys???? That's right!!! maybe going to do a drive by and put the MF's on the hood and go through them. I found a loaded 380 on the CPS going to be a Dr. inside the coat pocket. No creative writing as you put on the report, wrote it down the way it happened. A finding of probable cause ruled in br. 50, go to Skokie and the liberal judge there finds the asshole not guilty because of no PC for the search. So how can one judge find PC to remand the case to trial and then the trial judge hear the same testimony and find no PC to uphold a conviction. The judge said all my police experience and observations where good but I still didn't have enough probable cause to search the CPS angel. I say the only reason I get a conviction was because the judge was a Liberal!!! and people want to know why the police are reactive oppose to proactive. We have to wait to get MF, punched, shot at before we are allowed to do anything to ensure our safety when dealing with these little angels.
See Mr. liberal copper you hit it on the nail with your comment, a officer didn't see the 70 yr. old granny in a nice neighborhood adjusting her waist band leading him/her to believe she has a gun. They saw a piece of shit gang banger/drug dealer on the spot fixing/adjusting his waistband in a manner which his/her police experience lead them to believe it might be a gun. Ask any seasoned officer what their conclusion would be with the totality of the circumstances or even a REASONABLE person who lives in the hood and they would all say " shit that @#&*^%% got a gun"!
PHILADELPHIA - More than a dozen police officers will be taken off the street as authorities investigate a video showing three suspects being kicked, punched and beaten after they were pulled out of a car during a traffic stop, the mayor's office said
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With these liberals out there always second guessing the police. Let them go. Why bother? If someone runs or flees, flash message, and thats it. When someone get robbed, paper, and notify the dicks "no one in custody". People do not want the police anymore. From now on when someone ask "are you going to catch them" (no, is what I think) reply "i hope so" If people only knew how easy it is for criminals now to get away with it.
The Socialists who are taking over this country will just add more cameras to every corner. Police can't be the police so big brother can watch you more.
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Cameras mean shit wihtout people to put the cuffs on.
The police will work when they stop getting sued, second guessed, and CR #s for nonsense.
Kids don't become the police. Its not what you think. We have no back up.
what's the address of the saloon Lt. Ritchie Scotchbreath patronizes? I just might stop in and say "hay" to him and tell him he's one famous dude in the C.P.D.
First round is on me, the second is on J-Fed.
The best I heard in prelim.was when asked by off.'s defense atty. "why did you stop my client" P.O. responded "cause he gave me the fish eye"
the "community" is getting the kind of Police Department they want. Proactive policing is the only why I have seen that will cut down and deter crime. We have now become a department that cannot do this. Why should I risk my life, my health and my job for citizens who do not want me out there doing my job. Ok... you got it.
Let the ministers come up with a program to reduce crime.
With violent crime increasing, where are the ministers and other community leaders????
The solution is with the community and its leaders. They tolerate crime and look the other way. Juries are a joke. Put a liberal white kid from the suburbs and a black from the city and it will either be a hung jury or a not guilty. This county from the judges, states attorneys to the good citizens on the block who never want to do the right thing allow the criminals to have no fear for commiting their crimes.
So to all the supercops on this job.... Give em what they want. Just remember.... they will never back you up!
CHICAGO.....the next Detroit
let them all go I say..... after all, who are the victims
I can't chase what I don't see. The blinders have been on ever since. I haven't gotten a CR# since either.
Illinois v. Wardlow, 528 US 119 (2000)-The unprovoked flight of a person, upon seeing the police, in a high crime area, gives the officer reasonable suspicion to chase and detain him.
The facts and just the facts.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20080507/sc_livescience/conservativeshappierthanliberals;_ylt=AqzPGsaLU6zLkoO44HJ1Byqs0NUE
Here is to all you coppers and states attorneys out there that don't believe the "Drop Cases"
California v. Hodari, 499 US 621 (1991)-Hodari saw the police approaching. He ran away. A police officer chased him. Prior to catching him, Hodari threw down crack cocaine. The court ruled that Hodari was not seized and his rights not violated when he threw the cocaine down. At the time, he was neither physically forced to submit nor voluntarily submitted to the police authority.
One savage remains at large in the assault rifle murder of Philadelphia PD Sgt. Steve LICZBINSKI who stopped their vehicle on a bank robbery flash message: WANTED: Eric DeShawn Floyd.
The shooter, Howard Cain, was shot and killed by responding PPD while Lavon Warner was later arrested and is being held without bond.
All three had previous bank robbery convictions.
Meanwhile, PPD Chief Charles Ramsey has cautioned the media not to "rush to judgment" on a news helicopter video of an alleged "police beating" of three other men.
For blog coverage, go to the PPD's (unauthorized) blog: www.Domelights.com
Rest In Peace, Our Brother:
Sgt. STEPHEN LICZBINSKI, PPD, 24th Dist.
off topic, maybe the incident involving the philly coppers will shine some light on whether its cops are bad everywhere or that the pieces of shit are of the same caliber in all big citys with a liberal public. the philly coppers are getting more press time for beating these pieces of garbage, whom were all charged accordingly, then the initial incident which is that a philly cop from that area was killed by an assualt rifle two days prior. pathetic, media needs to get there damn prioritys straight. and the views of the public are disgusting in that they care more about this incident then the copper getting killed with a damn assault rifle.
O.T... State Trooper wrote my kid a ticket down state in Bloomington where he goes to school. It's not even a hazardous violation.Kid mentions that he's the son of a Chicago P.O.. Troopers reply- "thats' great". He goes back to the car and comes back with the ticket. I and every other copper that I've ever worked with has always extended professional courtesy to family members. WTF
When the kiling is done write a report and then go to lunch. Stay safe back up the police and retire. The hell with this city and the idiots who run it.
lol, to the prophete muhammand. too fricken funny! grasshopper... LOL LOL LOL Looks like Lt. Richie Scotchbreath has a heavy hitter protecting him!
Regarding:
Anonymous said...
Officer, just because you saw the butt of the handgun at his waistband, what proof did you have that the rest of the gun was there?
Sounds like you were on a fishing trip officer, NOT GUILTY!
5/07/2008 04:49:00 AM
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Couldn't of said it better myself.
However this hardship must be balanced by the fact that we do have constitutional protections.
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Pls, I as a CPD do not have the contitiutional right to live where ever I want. Seems like "we" have less rights than others.
OFF TOPIC: The Philly tape shows why cameras are bullshit and why we will never take these streets back. Warm fuzzy report writing style police is here to stay.
I gave up looking for guns last year. Short story, My partner and I got a CR# for chasing a shitbird who had a gun in his waistband (I saw the gun). I caught shitbird a few blocks away, no gun (Looked everywhere, no gun). Shitbird tries to fight my partner and I take him down. Shitbird hurts his shoulder and goes to hospital. Shitbird gets CR# on us and signs affidavant. OPS makes it not sustained (I don't think this would happend with the new review board). Shitbird is sueing the city (city is giving shitbird money to go away).
The moral of this story
1. SEE NO EVIL
2. HEAR NO EVIL
3. SPEAK NO EVIL
I can't chase what I don't see. The blinders have been on ever since. I haven't gotten a CR# since either.
Shitheads 1
Working Police 0!!!!!!!
The Socialists who are taking over this country will just add more cameras to every corner. Police can't be the police so big brother can watch you more.
5/07/2008 08:27:00 AM
I AM IN A SITUATION THAT IS VERY SIMILAR. NO ONE THINKS A FOOT CHASE CAN END UP IN A LAWSUIT BUT IT VERY EASILY CAN. SINCE MY INCIDENT I AM VERY RELUCTANT TO ENGAGE IN PROACTIVE POLICE WORK AND I TOO HAVE NOT HAD A CR EVER SINCE I HAD A CHANGE OF MIND. THIS CITY WILL ULTIMATELY PAY THE PRICE WITH HIGHER HOMICIDES AND AGG BATTS. BUT WE WILL STILL GET PAID. THEY CAN'T FIRE U FOR LOSING A FOOT CHASE.
Like a lot of folks in this state, I have a job.I work, they pay me.
I pay my taxes and the government distributes my taxes as it sees fit. In order to get that paycheck, I am required to pass a random urine test with which I have no problem. What I do have a problem with is the distribution of my taxes to people who don't have to pass a urine test.
Shouldn't one have to pass a urine test to get a welfare check because I have to pass one to earn it for them?
Please understand, I have no problem with helping people get back on their feet. I do, on the other hand, have a problem with helping someone sitting on their butt, doing drugs, while I work.
Can you imagine how much money the state would save if people had to pass a urine test to get a public assistance check ?
This story is unfuckin' real.
Maryland Woman Fined $310 for Killing Police Officer
Wednesday, May 07, 2008
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ELLICOTT CITY, Md. — The Howard County State's Attorney's Office says a driver who struck and killed a county police officer last year has paid her traffic fines.
Prosecutors say Stephanie Grissom of Columbia paid $310 in fines for speeding and negligent driving. She also received three points on her driving record.
In March, a county grand jury declined to indict Grissom on automobile manslaughter charges.
Police say Grissom was driving 71 mph in a 55-mph zone on Route 32 when she struck Officer Scott Wheeler. The officer was working a speed enforcement detail and had stepped into the road to flag Grissom down when he was struck.
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Do it by the book, for your own protection, and for the protection of everyone else's rights.
Don't be selective about the consitutional amendments you enforce. Yeah, I like the 2d, and can't wait until the Supreme Court says I can have a pistol for my own protection (only criminals have them now, and I feel naked.) But I also like the 4th, about searches and seizures.
Will the crime rate go up if you do it by the book? Yep, big time. But that's not so much your problem as ours (taxpayers.) If we want good policing, we have to pay for it. We have to pay officers more, and give them more people and resources to do their job by the book.
Speaking of liberals/zombies:
I see in the FOP News that bomb tech PO GEORGE ROMERO retired(Jan08). I didnt know the famous "living dead"
film maker had a side job on the CPD!
After 30yrs on this PD, I'd make movies about well armed good guys blasting zombies too; only I'd have'em shooting all these idiot
liberals and their whore politicians that push their useless
agendas..........
Anonymous said...
I don't have a problem with this ruling. Besides, we all know that this officer didn't see him "adjust something in his waistband".
WOW! You must have beeen there to know the facts of the case. Go away wannabe.
I WAS WONDERING DO THE COMMANDERS IN 001 AND 018 STILL GET GIFT FROM THE NITECLUBS AND HOTELS?
LETS SAY A CERTAIN NITE CLUB (EXCALIBURS) SPENT A FEW THOUSAND DOLLAR ON FREE PROMOTION PARTIES FOR EXEMPTS IS THAT LEGIT. I KNOW FOR THE FED IT WOULDNT BE.
ALL YOU GOLD STARS WHO THINK A CIVILIAN BUSINESS GEEKS ARE GOING TO BACK UR PLAY AND COVER UP FOR R IN FOR A SURPRISE.
DONT THINK PATROL OFFICER ARE GOING TO GIVE FREE SECURITY, JUST BECAUSE U LABEL THE AREA AS A PROBLEM IN THE CAPS LOG.
THOSE SAME COMMANDERS DO NOT WANT OTHER UNITS IN THE DISTRICT CUZ THE LESS OFFICER AROUND THE MORE CLOUT THE COMMANDER SEEMS TO HAVE.
SO WAIT AND SEE 1ST DIST AND 18TH DIST THOSE HOT WINGS ARENT FREE A PATROL OFFICER HAD TO WORK AS A BOUNCER ON DUTY.
HEY J FED IF YOU DONT BELIEVE THE POST READ THE CASE REPORT INVOLVING LARGE NITE-CLUBS ALL THE INCIDENT OCCUR OUTSIDE.
DONT LIE ON REPORTS PPO'S
It's a shame that you guys are all so scared...All you whine about is how you're going to "Fuck the city" and "Not do anything"...Then when the shitheads move into your neighborhood all of a sudden you're crying for the police right?? But why should we then help?? You didn't want to prevent the tide from shifting your way and now since it impacts you ...you expect other coppers to work to clean up YOUR neighborhood that you helped become that way by "Not doing any work" and "Fucking the city"...wait till the promised land(016) gets so polluted with shit...where you going to go?? it's already past Irving Park.....where you going to run then whiners?? To all of you whiny lazy ass coppers out there...YOU will get what you are asking for...not the mayor or the superintendent....they are removed from the shit they live in their condo's and have their security etc....we do not....so get off of your lazy fat asses and do your job...or stop bitching about shit when it's in your neighborhood because you let it happen....also stop drinking and driving...use your fucking brain...you ain't little kids and when you get caught don't mother fuck the bosses, or the coppers, or the State's Attorney....mother fuck yourself...you caused your own problems...Bottom line...do your job for you and your families....make money in court and be proud of who/what you are...nobody can take that away from you...except yourself...God Bless
Or you could just stop looking for those little indicators that make the hairs on the back of your neck stand up. We read something about it in a newsletter recently.
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As a woman and mother of twenty-one years, I totally understand that statement. Intuition and experience make a nice combination for preventing disasters. Isn't that what life/job experience, accumulated knowledge and education is supposed to accomplish?
So as a non-police law abiding citizen, using those "tools" is exactly what I'm counting on you all to do. It's a miracle that any of you continue to go to work everyday in this anti-police climate. As if it's not bad enough that criminals hate you, but to have CPD administration, the City government and the court system working hard to tie your hands is, well, I don't even know what to call it.It's disheartening is what it is and I never thought I'd live to see this day.
God bless every damn one of you.
SCC ... are you purposefully dumb or what? I am no apologist for the judge, and I haven't read the entire decision, but from the information given, the judge did not disallow a Terry Stop ... he disallowed a search. You know the difference, so my only conclusion is that you are being purposely deceitful and rabble-rousing.
The judge disallowed the search based on supposedly inadequate grounds for the stop, to wit, an insufficient amount of "suspicious movement." What is so hard to see about that? The entire stop becomes invalid and Terry doesn't apply anymore. Now judges are going to again legislate from the bench and define how much and what type of "suspicious movement" affects our safety and the safety of the public? We can hardly wait for these guidelines.
I will also make a stretch and assume the arresting officer would be allowed a Terry Stop, and, if and only if, he was able to see the illegal handgun, without a search, the arrest would be constitutionally sound.
Wow. That's a helluva stretch. Good luck with that one. No one has ever had to "see the gun" to effect a Terry stop. Did you ever take Bob Stasch's class on weapon detection? Five minute video of a school parking lot in Florida and you have to pick out the behaviors that might signal a gun. We picked out two the first time and if we remember correctly, we missed 3 of the 5 guns that police recovered. Not one gun appeared on the video and cops didn't spot them until arrests were made.
See a gun for a stop to be legal? You're nuts.
Admittedly, the pat-down criteria were not addressed. Again, based on limited information, I will take a leap and reason that the pat-down, for which different articulable criteria are required in regards to the stop itself, would have been allowed.
Again, we're arguing based on not knowing the entire circumstances, so the circular logic dooms us to talking past one another
So often the copper is quick to criticize the courts' decision, when, admittedly, it does make the coppers job of arresting bad guys, more difficult. However this hardship must be balanced by the fact that we do have constitutional protections. If you need more light shed on this picture your grandmother simply pulling on her waistband and this officer performing a search simply based on that. Does that bring it home for you?
Damn right we're quick to criticize the decisions of some liberal pinko Clinton appointee judge who's only concern is the rights of poor criminals and not the tax paying citizens, completely disregarding that the criminal is the one who chooses to live outside the bounds of civilization.
Grandma ain't running around with the pistol killing dude on the corner. Your straw man (or woman) argument doesn't stand up.
I am a cop, too,
god help us
as most on this forum are ... but I am foremost a citizen ... a citizen very proud of the protections of the constitution against a repressive government.
And what of the protections due the citizenry? Are you going to jump to the fore and support the Second Amendment?
When the gun ban is stricken by SCOTUS our job, arguably, may becomes much harder and more dangerous.
Evidently not. Seems you've bought into the liberal koolaid drinking. Our job becomes easier. Much easier. Property crime decreases exponentially as citizens can protect their property legally.
We won't see concealed carry in Chicago, Cook or Illinois with the current idiots in charge, but if we ever do, our job becomes easier by magnitudes. Look it up.
However, our 2nd amendment rights trump my desire to be a safer cop.
Then you are ten types of idiot.
Let's get some perspective, SCC ... and stop your rabble-rousing propaganda.
We'll get right on that. Let us know if you ever decide to join the reality based community
Thank you in advance for deleting this post. You have shown yourself to be a coward in the past with my posts even when they are harshly critical, yet not insulting, when you disagree with them.
If you're the same mope who's posted before, then you know exactly why we deleted your posts. Ad hominem attacks on ourselves are deleted out of hand - we don't owe you a forum to bad mouth what we do here. Also, using certain words, lists of which are scattered about the site merit instant deletion. Other provable liberal fantasy gets flushed as we see fit. Deal with it.
But, all in all, you do a great job and we do appreciate it, at least I do.
Thanks for that. Maybe one day, you'll grow up and become a conservative. It's a lofty goal but we have hope for you. Go for it!
where is brian murphy
5/07/2008 01:46:00 AM
he is the new assistant deputy superintendent of whatever they invent this week and name it whatever they well please. nice to be connected. great, isn't it?
A couple of issues here..First and foremost the guns were taken off the street.
Second, when writing your case report and/or testifying you have to make yourself perfectly understood. Why is adjusting your waistband "suspicious" especially in a day an age where a lot of these knuckleheads constantly hold their waist bands to keep their pants from falling all the way to their ankles.
It was suspicious because he clearly moved an object and wasn't just adjusting. In addition he was a known gang member or in a known gang location or he abruptly turned that side away from my view as I approached..Etc..He adjusted something to the left of his middle and my training tells me most gun toting bangers carry their guns to the left for a cross draw...These are the type of things we need to state.
The Chicago Police Department for years taught officers to keep their reports short and stupid. Those days are gone but the CPD is so terrible at training and on going training that many officers are left scratching their heads because all of th sudden the rules changed. You have to be clear, concise, and complete in your report writing and testifying..Maybe someday these politicians that have the responsibility to train us to be "professional" will stop stealing enough money that can then be redirected toward training a modern, more professional police force... In the meantime, this shit ain't hard and who cares what they throw out...I know, lawsuits..You can be sued any day for any thing...Times four for me...
It's all in the words. Judges and lawyers use nothing but words to push their bullshit and this is all they have to deal with. All P.O.s should learn this. They should teach this in the schools and not taught by some idiot who has been hiding in the school for 10 years.
Once you put it on paper you have to live with it forever. If you do not put work into your report and it is ovverturned don't beef. If you feel you did your best in writing your report then OK that is all you can do. Read, then re-read your reports. You write your reports you do it in about half hour to an hour.
THE SHYSTERS AND JUDGES HAVE MONTHS AND YEARS TO TEAR YOU AND YOUR REPORT APART. Take your time, ask for advice and do it right.
SCC ... are you purposefully dumb or what? I am no apologist for the judge, and I haven't read the entire decision, but from the information given, the judge did not disallow a Terry Stop
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Dave Snethen says...a post like the one above scares the shit out of me coming from a copper!
150 million to find jobs? I found my job for a lot less. It cost me nothing to find each and every job I have had.
I will make this sacrifice, put the 150 million in my bank account and I will find hundreds of jobs for shitheads who "wants to turnt their life around". OK I will do it for only 100 Million.
Whats with this guy over 1 and 18, can't go out any more and relax, with some drinks. FUCK DICK DALEY AND HIS PUPET DEP CHIEF J.K.
Hey I'm going down town to drink Mr. MAYOR and Dep Chief.
hey J-kets ill be on my boat drinking sat night ill fire the flare come and get me..da mayor...
AND THE CHICAGO JACKASS ALDERMEN ARE THINKING AGAIN:
Some retailers may get bag recycling bins
Chicago retailers who derive 25 percent of their gross sales from food or pharmaceuticals would be required to install plastic bag recycling bins — and distribute bags that state “Please reuse or recycle” — under a crackdown advanced Wednesday that aldermen called a “first step.”
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Maybe a paper envelope recycling bin for all Aldermens' offices for the cash filled envelopes they rip open to stuff their pockets?
I work down in 001 and over heard Dep Chief Keating talking about some of the postings on this blog "J-FED WHERE'S OUR CARS". He was telling a LT. that there's nothing but a bunch of drunken blue shirts drinking in the downtown area and if he has is way; that they will all get time and he'll close all the bar's. Because the Mayor is unhappy with the headlines of drunken coppers. He seemed very up-set while talking to the LT about someone telling things about him on this blog.
Watch out friends who are in 001 & 018. This guy is no friend of Blue shirts or Sgt's. He also hates people drinking who work on the Dept. Said they all make us look bad.
WARNING:
STAY OUT OF 001 & 018 WHILE DRINKING, HE IS NOT MESSING AROUND!
For a guy who don't like people drinking, He sure does alot of drinking himself. I was at a party with him 1 time. Which I regret. I saw first hand the skills in which he got his current job. Which are KISSING ASS! I will say though, that ned the whino don't have nothing on him. He was stumbling all over the place! What a hypocrite! Keating your a Joke!
Bella hitting on all cylinders?!!!
How about morale of the membership when you let thief Bill Nolan go. Here's a quote from Sidney Davis during a roll call a couple of years ago. "We did not want to prosecute Nolan because it would leave a black eye on the union and then the federal government would scrutinize our books for three years." Lock Nolan up and let the feds look at our books. But of course lets scram about the command staff and city hall but we'll just forget about Nolan and his crew stealing from the members. Can't have it both ways Bella. Explain that one.
It is not for us to wonder why,
It is but for us to do,
Or, not do.
The days of stopping people before they commit crimes is over.
The Constitution never intended to have police stop cime before it occurred. Over the years, crime has been so out of control that courts have allowed all kinds of exceptions to search warrant and probable cause requirements, so coppers could take dope dealers and killers off the street before they committed more crime.
The legislatures jacked up penalties for gun and drug possession crimes, rather than jacking them up on people who are caught after killing someone.
It was a mistake to do all this. Dump this shit back onto the community and do investigations AFTER there has been a crime.
The Department should rid itself of these BS attempts to grab gangbangers before they kill and put more effort into grabbing them after they're done.
Get rid of all these Gang/Narcotics units and split the entire department into two, and only two groups.
Patrol Officers and Detectives.
Patrol Officers respond to calls, obtain info, and arrest named offenders.
Detectives try to identify offenders after the fact.
The rest of this stop-search bullshit should go by the wayside. The drug war is over.
What kind of scotch does this burping, farting, pissing in his pants LT. drink?
Anonymous said...
I work down in 001 and over heard Dep Chief Keating talking about some of the postings on this blog "J-FED WHERE'S OUR CARS". He was telling a LT. that there's nothing but a bunch of drunken blue shirts drinking in the downtown area and if he has is way; that they will all get time and he'll close all the bar's. Because the Mayor is unhappy with the headlines of drunken coppers. He seemed very up-set while talking to the LT about someone telling things about him on this blog.
Watch out friends who are in 001 & 018. This guy is no friend of Blue shirts or Sgt's. He also hates people drinking who work on the Dept. Said they all make us look bad.
WARNING:
STAY OUT OF 001 & 018 WHILE DRINKING, HE IS NOT MESSING AROUND!
5/07/2008 04:12:00 AM
I'M OUT DRINKING AND HAVING A GOOD TIME. I HAVE TO WATCH OUT FOR THAT DUI GUY IN 13 (B.C. ,1395, 1ST WATCH) GOOD FRIEND OF J.K. WILL JAM OTHER COPPERS, WAS ON THE DETAIL WITH HIM.
This is a must see video It applies to our soldiers as well as to all who put their lives on the line for justice
http//www.flashdemo.net/gallery/wake/index.htm
All you civil rights lovers, police need pc to check out a thug or we will sue.... pray that you or yours are not the next victim. But then again its all about resenting authority. I work with authority hating police and they just don't get it ( and they r poleese). I do believe its time the working cop lay down and let all the anti establishment, anti gov wacks reap what they have sown. Each officer who has the mentality of anti authority are all dog asses, do the barest minimum of work and do not contribute anything to the well being of his fellow officers. Each person I personally know, of this mentality, are completely self absorbed and it just goes to prove a point............. libs are all out for one thing, their own power and glorification. Disgusted and fed up with all the bullshit.
x englewood ranger
Camers are protecting thugs from police. By their own admission they hold dope and guns and hang around cameras because they know police can not search them and if they do they have a lawsuit. Good job mayor, you have completely and singlehandedly protected the dope trade in Chicago.
OFF TOPIC:
Anyone else receive their City of Chicago water/sewer bill?
I received mine today. My bill went up $22.27 from last November's bill. I have a small single family home and live alone. This sucks. Everything is going up except our pay!
The vehicle city stickers also went up.
One more thing that went up..Emil Jones and the other corrupt politicians pay. Emil told the Slum-times last week that he works hard and deserves his automatic $7,000.00 pay bump! The State legislators pay raises are automatic unless they vote NOT to give themselves the said raises!
UNFUCKING BELIEVIBLE!
Well I'll pay this water bill. BUT I will keep my hose on full blast all summer just like its a fire hydrant in the ghetto!
I'll WASH MY CAR EVERYDAY TOO!
Philly coppers in trouble after giving three future doctors an ole fashion ass beatin. Check it out at philly.com
5/07/2008 08:10:00 AM
NIce the only thing wrong with that is that three future doctors were beaten by three future INMATES!!!! When you do stupid shit like those guys did your no better those "coppers" are Thugs/Animals and I hope they drop the soap in the pokey!
Sorry Off Topic but I'm attempting to verify a story or urban legend, but if it's true this is very disturbing.
Off duty is on expressway and was pulled over by the state. Trooper asks for DL, insurance card, and goes back to his squad to run the plate, name and make sure everything is kosher. When everything is all good, the off duty asks the trooper why he was pulled over because he wasn't driving like a jag or anything else. The trooper points to a vehicle that is also pulled over to the side of the road and points to the vehicle and says, "He wanted me to pull you over." Guess who was in the other car? J-FED.
Dude was checking to see if the copper with the FOP medallion was 501 and ready to jackpot him.
I really hope this story is bullshit, but if it is true that is FUBAR and open to a ginormous lawsuit.
I wouldn't put anything past this guy.
The link to the philly cop beating thing. I love it. The way it should be. You shoot someone, then run from the police, you get what you get. F*ck You i hope all the offenders rot in hell
http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/
i_video/main500251.shtml?
source=nav_video
To 7:14 :15 Yrs ago I was in a Probable Cause hearing in which the Honorable Judge Fox was presiding. Same cause (Flashing Gang Signs ) was used for my stop, after which the shithead gang banger tossed a pistol out of the window. Judge ruled I had no probable cause for the stop. I might have prevented a shooting, but the Jagoff was free to try it again.These days you might get sued for this Police action.
"He wanted me to pull you over." Guess who was in the other car? J-FED.
Dude was checking to see if the copper with the FOP medallion was 501 and ready to jackpot him.
I really hope this story is bullshit, but if it is true that is FUBAR and open to a ginormous lawsuit.
I wouldn't put anything past this guy.
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The PC is what then? Yes, huge lawsuit could happen if true.
Sorry Off Topic but I'm attempting to verify a story or urban legend, but if it's true this is very disturbing.
Off duty is on expressway and was pulled over by the state. Trooper asks for DL, insurance card, and goes back to his squad to run the plate, name and make sure everything is kosher. When everything is all good, the off duty asks the trooper why he was pulled over because he wasn't driving like a jag or anything else. The trooper points to a vehicle that is also pulled over to the side of the road and points to the vehicle and says, "He wanted me to pull you over." Guess who was in the other car? J-FED.
Dude was checking to see if the copper with the FOP medallion was 501 and ready to jackpot him.
I really hope this story is bullshit, but if it is true that is FUBAR and open to a ginormous lawsuit.
I wouldn't put anything past this guy.
5/07/2008 07:50:00 PM
Well I here Daley's boys dc keating and j-fed along with the greek from 018 and the de la salle boy from oo1 are watching all the men and woman in blue shirt they want to bring back prohibition to the cpd !!!!!!!! WHAT'S NEXT ....
You know, I read about the ancient Chinese, 3000 yrs or so ago, being the first to invent a "metal detector". It seems that, in order to protect the emperor, all the entrances to the throne room were lined with iron stone, naturally magnetic. Anyone trying to smuggle a knife into the presence of the big guy would feel a small tug and instinctively reach for the hidden object to assure themselves it was still there...The guards were all specially trained to watch for that "furtive movement"...The point is, even way back then, human nature and experience were key to the guard's performance...Guess we've come a long way from those primitive, unsophisticated days ...I feel so much safer knowing people like that moron judge are now protecting us from such savgery...
Anonymous said...
Speaking of violence: A couple of nights ago in 023 a marked unit responded to gang members selling drugs call. Two officers arrived and began to interview 4-5 shitheads. At this time, 6 rival gang members decided to ambush the officers and the other gang with bats. Most of the offenders were caught and one officer was slightly injured. 023 3rd watch Sgt. BK, a merit puke, has the audacity to tell the involved officers they were partially responsible for victims' (gangbangers) injuries because they didn't protect them during the attack. Are we not supposed to protect ourselves first Bob? This guy is never on the officer's side and his stupidity is dangerous.
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Sgt. BK is the biggest jagoff, fuck face, piece of shit in 023. But, he was able to remodel his home, on the city's dime, while workin Tac.
5/07/2008 11:13:00 AM
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They should have sent him to 003!??
Some people have trouble with a little power.......goes right to their head! They know it and done it all just ask them....
-Fed, I am drunk and need a ride home and don't have your phone number. I hope you read the blog. Please pick me up at Circus Circus in Cicero Illinois.
5/07/2008 04:50:00 AM
the big k dept chief must have missed j-fed's memo when he kicked the 2 po's out of the bar and let them get home on their own.... they should take his one medal away from him .....
To the hard charger complaining about Judge Fox. You saw a guy toss a gun out of a window and Fox ruled no probable cause? I call BIG BULLSHIT. Judge Fox is one of the best judges at 26th street and is pro police even though he was once a public defender. I have had many murder trials in front of Fox and I and many other homicide detectives have a great respect and regard for Fox. He is a smart man and a damn good judge, you on the other hand are full of shit.
daley and j-fed flew into ohare today from dc and the emperors luggage was missing. i hope they told him to call 311 for a report just like all us other tax payers have to do. look for the lost property case report in your mail box in 5 days. sorry, you can't see the police, we do this over the phone now.
Well I'll pay this water bill. BUT I will keep my hose on full blast all summer just like its a fire hydrant in the ghetto!
I'll WASH MY CAR EVERYDAY TOO!
5/07/2008 07:28:00 PM
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10-4 on that.
TO, 5/07/2008 01:51:00 PM
Well now?
O.T... State Trooper wrote my kid a ticket down state in Bloomington where he goes to school. It's not even a hazardous violation.Kid mentions that he's the son of a Chicago P.O.. Troopers reply- "thats' great". He goes back to the car and comes back with the ticket. I and every other copper that I've ever worked with has always extended professional courtesy to family members. WTF
Professional courtesy is for other P.O.s! not their Mamas, kids cousins, Ect. Now if I know the P.O. amd I know for a fact this is a family member I may give a courtesy for a simple infraction.
For you to expect a professional courtesy from a officer from an other juristdiction who does not know you, or your son is just stupid. and then for you to complain about makes me think your a little fucked soft.
"Patrol Officers respond to calls, obtain info, and arrest named offenders.
Detectives try to identify offenders after the fact.
The rest of this stop-search bullshit should go by the wayside. The drug war is over.
5/07/2008 05:49:00 PM"
Finally, someone who gets it.
THIS CITY WILL ULTIMATELY PAY THE PRICE WITH HIGHER HOMICIDES AND AGG BATTS. BUT WE WILL STILL GET PAID. THEY CAN'T FIRE U FOR LOSING A FOOT CHASE.
5/07/2008 03:12:00 PM
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Well FYI if Dude loses his "weight or money or gun" and gets away and lets say it is a big loss to somebody else interested in the lost paraphernalia.......Then upon his (non-arrest but property being inventoried of course as per General Orders) then Dude may wind up DEAD.
Why lock them up "seize their shit" inventory it and give them a pass yourself as the judge would do anyway. This way they may wind up violated or DEAD! Log them in as the person turning in the drugs or guns but only as a citizen trying to change their evil ways.
Your doing your job using discretion by releasing them and taking the items away to be inventoried and disposed of by custodian etc. or whatever!
Thus dude loses and maybe his life too and you stay out of CR trouble. You also stay out of Court where you are usually humiliated and pissed off by the incompetent political ASA's and liberal judges as they toss cases and plea out to less than what they should get etc. etc..
Hey.....they do not believe the police, Hell I don't even believe the police anymore!!!
who was running parking at the St. Jude parade. I brought my family down there and my mother was in from out of town. I've never seen it so disorganized. They had cars parked all over the placed and blocked several of us in. I had to wait at least 2 hours after everything was over for the cars blocking me in to move.
DRINKING PO's.. Some of you are real assholes. You get in an accident and expect "middle" another PO to give you a break. Said "middled" PO gets time for a COVERUP and today possible fired. Your FUCKED UP you get what you deserve, a SGT on-scene. Take a fucking cab, you have $100 USC for drinking then you have the $25 bucks for a cab. LOOK what happened to that Polish PO, Learn a lesson from others mistakes, stop fucking other PO's you worthless piece of shit.
is this the same judge who would use a penis pump under his robe?
How about the jag-off cpd traffic guy who works the skyway. He brags that he will DUI 10 coppers before he retires, so far he got 4 The last victim was a Sgt. from 009 returning from a retirement party who pulled over at the Mcdonalds. Who needs J-fed he got our own J-off amongst our own ranks. But then what do you expect from a traffic Jag-Off who lives in 016
""With violent crime increasing, where are the ministers and other community leaders????
The solution is with the community and its leaders.""
You know, you have a good point. Take a look at all the storefront MB/COGIC churches in the hood after services. How many m/1's over the age of 13 and under the age of 40 do you see walking out of the place? Uh huh, I thought so. These REV'S have the mayor in thier collective pockets, but what are they doing for him?? If they were REALLY doing something good for the hood there would be a lot more m/1's at their services
/rant off
10:32
Word in 009 is that the good sgt FL got ratted out by his very own DC Roy. Roy called RA to go after any 009 copper drinking and driving. FL got dui'd because his DC wanted him to get caught. Roy is currently working with J-Fed to hammer any 009 po's caught drinking.
Ask anybody in 009 about how shady Roy is and you will see why he is not respected!
-3rd watch po
O.T... State Trooper wrote my kid a ticket down state in Bloomington where he goes to school. It's not even a hazardous violation.Kid mentions that he's the son of a Chicago P.O.. Troopers reply- "thats' great". He goes back to the car and comes back with the ticket. I and every other copper that I've ever worked with has always extended professional courtesy to family members. WTF
My daughter just got stopped by an Indiana Trooper. She was going way too fast. Trooper was professional. She mentioned that her father is a Chicago police Officer, as I have instructed her to do, all the while being polite. Trooper responded that he saw the FOP medallion on the back of the car. The trooper also said Chicago guys usually blow right by them and flash a badge. My daughter said she didn't think her dad was one of those guys (he isn't). The trooper gave her a warning ticket. Thank you for your professional courtesy Mr Trooper. It is really appreciated. If I knew who you were I'd call you and thank you. I salute you, sir.
RE: "I gave up looking for guns last year. Short story, My partner and I got a CR# for chasing a shitbird who had a gun in his waistband (I saw the gun). I caught shitbird a few blocks away, no gun (Looked everywhere, no gun). Shitbird tries to fight my partner and I take him down. Shitbird hurts his shoulder and goes to hospital. Shitbird gets CR# on us and signs affidavant. OPS makes it not sustained (I don't think this would happend with the new review board). Shitbird is sueing the city (city is giving shitbird money to go away).
I can understand your frustration, but please do not give up hope. You did nothing wrong. It's not personal, it just business.
What you may want to try next time you get a shirtbird and you had to use force and he claims injury as a result is when you go to court, tell the SA that it's OK if he gets probation if he stipulates to the facts and admits that whatever injuries he suffered were minor and due to his aggression. No jail,,,,but no payday either. When a lier/lawyer sees the transcript and reads the stip,,,the case looks like too much work, so he passes..
That's if you care. As long as it is not coming from your pocket, why care?
About three years ago 009 had an officer on Midnights who wore violet sunglasses at night. Po's in 009 thought he was crazy. I remember a disturbance call where gang bangers were fighting with baseball bats and the po got right in between the fighting. He broke up the fighting by himself without incident and took the main fighters in. Once the gang bangers got to 009 you could see they were visibly shaken. When asked why they looked nervous one replied I don't wanna be on that cop's badside. He was pointing towards the sunglasses guy. Don't know what happened to that po, but rest assured he would have been a thorn in the 023 sgt's side.
Personally, he was the nicest copper I ever met in 009. A little odd, but nice. In 009, that is a rare quality.
-North side po
RE: "Anonymous said...
Speaking of violence: A couple of nights ago in 023 a marked unit responded to gang members selling drugs call. Two officers arrived and began to interview 4-5 shitheads. At this time, 6 rival gang members decided to ambush the officers and the other gang with bats. Most of the offenders were caught and one officer was slightly injured. 023 3rd watch Sgt. BK, a merit puke, has the audacity to tell the involved officers they were partially responsible for victims' (gangbangers) injuries because they didn't protect them during the attack."
First of all: why are the gangbangers still alive? I don't know who is more questionable, the 6 six gangbangers that bring baseball bats to a gunfight, or the coppers that allow themselves to be injured when they had superior weaponry.
As for the coppers being responsible for the first group's safety, sadly, he may be right. When ever you stop someone and he is not free to move freely, you are responsible for his safety. Numerous case ruling on this, tho most are from vehicle stops that later crashed into.
I know-it sux but such is life....
To the person that wrote about the MB/COGIC storefront "churches"
I was wondering: are they exempt from paying property taxes?
Drove east thru 007 the other day. One block only about 1/3 of the storefronts were standing....and 3/4 of them were "churches"
No wonder property taxes are so high for the few that pay.
TO: O.T... State Trooper wrote my kid a ticket down state in Bloomington where he goes to school. It's not even a hazardous violation.Kid mentions that he's the son of a Chicago P.O.. Troopers reply- "thats' great". He goes back to the car and comes back with the ticket. I and every other copper that I've ever worked with has always extended professional courtesy to family members. WTF
I know several troopers in that area that will go out of their way to help family members...However, just like us, they have their own problem children....Don't judge all of ISP because of a few
That is an out and out lie....Roy didn't call R.A. to go after F.L. Austin will go out of his way on his own without any prodding to 501 a copper, he's J-Fed's wet dream....
Anonymous said...
10:32
Word in 009 is that the good sgt FL got ratted out by his very own DC Roy. Roy called RA to go after any 009 copper drinking and driving. FL got dui'd because his DC wanted him to get caught. Roy is currently working with J-Fed to hammer any 009 po's caught drinking.
Ask anybody in 009 about how shady Roy is and you will see why he is not respected!
-3rd watch po
5/07/2008 11:05:00 PM
Here are the FACTS: Roy, who is a jag-off, did not tell Austin, formerly known as Cadar (He took his husbands name), who is also a jag-off, to DUI F.L. Roy had nothing to do with that. However, I would not put it past Roy to fuck over a P.O. / Sgt! Austin/Cadar is just a sneaky piece of shit, no more, no less, a coward with a badge. He will never pull over a gang-banger, or some thug life! However, will not hesitate to pull over any Cop, Firefighter, Paramedic, or member of the respective family, and write them!
HBT incident going on at 7600 s south shore drive in 004th district started @
Anonymous said...
How about the jag-off cpd traffic guy who works the skyway. He brags that he will DUI 10 coppers before he retires, so far he got 4 The last victim was a Sgt. from 009 returning from a retirement party who pulled over at the Mcdonalds. Who needs J-fed he got our own J-off amongst our own ranks. But then what do you expect from a traffic Jag-Off who lives in 016
5/07/2008 10:32:00 PM
HE IS SUCH A JAGOFF! I've had run ins with him. My friends and family have had fun ins with him. He's a total stroke to anybody, including police. In my opinion he is not the police nor will he ever be the police. He has no friends, all his co-workers can't stand him and the public hates him. He's a loner that has no clue, no common sense and absolutely no professional curtosy in his blood. Fuck him and the radar car he road in on.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
10:32
Word in 009 is that the good sgt FL got ratted out by his very own DC Roy. Roy called RA to go after any 009 copper drinking and driving. FL got dui'd because his DC wanted him to get caught. Roy is currently working with J-Fed to hammer any 009 po's caught drinking.
Ask anybody in 009 about how shady Roy is and you will see why he is not respected!
-3rd watch po
5/07/2008 11:05:00 PM
I smell bullshit .........
you have no truth to that and besides that happened long before J-Fed was even our Stupidentent.
Sgt. BK was on the Gang Team, not Tact.
BK, if you ever read this. Please try and remember where you came from and what you use to do. Grow back your set of balz.
Moral is low. I wonder why. Get out there and make as many Bull shit arrests, that our wonderful Supervisor(s) will(not) back us up on. Spineless pukes!
Guys make me look good, don't fuck up, cause I don't want to look bad. Who cares what happens to you. As long as i stay put and look good. Did I say make sure i look good?
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Speaking of violence: A couple of nights ago in 023 a marked unit responded to gang members selling drugs call. Two officers arrived and began to interview 4-5 shitheads. At this time, 6 rival gang members decided to ambush the officers and the other gang with bats. Most of the offenders were caught and one officer was slightly injured. 023 3rd watch Sgt. BK, a merit puke, has the audacity to tell the involved officers they were partially responsible for victims' (gangbangers) injuries because they didn't protect them during the attack. Are we not supposed to protect ourselves first Bob? This guy is never on the officer's side and his stupidity is dangerous.
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Sgt. BK is the biggest jagoff, fuck face, piece of shit in 023. But, he was able to remodel his home, on the city's dime, while workin Tac.
5/07/2008 11:13:00 AM
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They should have sent him to 003!??
Some people have trouble with a little power.......goes right to their head! They know it and done it all just ask them....
5/07/2008 08:41:00 PM
I can honestly say that the coppers working the 10 sector in 008 on 3rd watch make me ashamed to be part of the same department.
God am I glad that I dont live on the west end of 008. And I feel sorry for the coppers that do.
Please bid to 008 and protect your own because the coppers that work there are dog ass cowards.
And, trust me, there is no manpower shortage on the west end of 008. 75% of the watch are west of pulaski hiding, while the other aggressive 25% cover one of the largest and busiest districts in the city.
And 814H??? Pull those stats and have yourself a laugh. Might as well be mannequins.
Please use your phone calls, bid, or do whatever you can to get here and protect your neighborhood Cause Gary C. wont.
At first I disagreed with you about the whole pat down thing. If you are gonna stop a guy for a furtive movement better pat him down FOR YOUR SAFETY....losing a case in court is nothing compared to having some piece of shit stab or shoot you. Only a fool Terry stops a guy and doesnt search him. Isnt this where the term "stop and frist" came from?
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A frisk is not a search. How the fuck could you NOT know that? You need reasonable suspicion for a frisk (or a patdown it is called). You need probable cause for a search. You gotta at least know the basics here. You don’t.
You made yourself look like a real fool by saying that by the gun ban being tossed your job will be more dangerous. I would bet my next paycheck you are not a cop and If I'm wrong and you are you have been attending night classes at U of C or N U too long.
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You might be right. I just threw that out there off-the-cuff. I was trying to show that our 2nd amendment rights trump my personal concerns ... no matter what I think. But, ya, I might be wrong. THat's fine.
But when I see a gang banging dog, (that's me profiling, i.e., prison, gun, dope. Most look very similar) tugging on his waistband, I AM going to throw a stop on him, I AM going to search him because I AM going home to my children.
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No... you are going to PAT HIM DOWN.
Then you are gonna feel a hard metal object resembling a gun and THEN you will search.
That's not even bullshit. You just gotta know how to communicate in writing what you did. If you write it wrong - the judge has no option - he can't just say "Well... I know he wrote it worng, but I know what he meant." No, it doesn't work that way. Nobody wants you to get hurt. I don't want any of my fellow coppers to get hurt. That's not what I'm saying. THe patdown is not a search .... but it can lead to probable cause for a search. Man, you gotta know this stuff. This is nothing new.
You want the guy to go to jail? Or you want the search thrown out? You gotta know this terminology if you want the guy to go to jail. You can scream and bitch at the judge if you want, but there are options. There are ways to win here. There are ways to win.
These "officers" who I question whether or not they really are officers, who are claiming this judge made the right decision must have never worked in a high crime area. Can anyone who has, honestly say you couldn't describe the actions an offender that would be carrying a .45 in his waistband would make when he sees the police approaching. Most of them can't hide their actions when they are holding a bag of weed, nevermind a handgun. They know they are dirty. Based on the actions and movements of this guy and the location he was in, you have enough of a reason to stop and talk with him. If you seen him making other movements that would indicate he might be possibly armed, you have enough to do a Terry pat down. After patting him down, you find the gun. Enough said.
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Right. That is EXACTLY right. And I am the one who posted the post in question. You did it right...you had reasonable suspicion for the stop, then the pat down ... which led to probable cause for the search. WHy the fuck is everyone giving me shit for my post? That is exactly what I am talking about. You have it right. WHy all the fuss here? All I said is the NY cop used the waistband tug for a search ... he should have used it for the stop, then the frisk, then the search. WTF, that's all I was saying.
05/07/08 @ 1:41:00a,
I'm not a cop and I'd bet you're not one either.
If in fact you are a cop, even a casual observer such as II can see you're certianally not what is called the REAL POLICE. My guess is you're more likely a lawyer-like REMF.
People like you insist on the taking away of every human tool (and the hardware shotguns, etc.) which police use to police thus giving the criminal every advantage and forcing people in low income areas to live in combat zones.
I don't know anything about the Terry law or pat down protocol but I can see how a good cop can observe and sense where a threat to the public is.
It would be one thing if the guy was scratching his ass but it appears by the move the man made and perhaps the form the officer subsequently observed in the guys clothing the officer had a reasonable belief the man had a gun. As a citizen that's enough due dilligence from a sworn officer for me.
Look you can't be on the streets day after day in dangerous areas and not gain a sense where trouble just as I'm sure a judge can't sit on a bench day after day and not gain a sense when he's being told a lie.
For what ever reason this cop guessed right and found a criminal. End of story.
If he'd brought the guy in for packing a joynt and the New York Times you might have an argument.
People like you who insist we give criminals the right to tee-off on us before we have the right to protect ourselves all in the name of protecting our rights are a concealed threat to our safety.
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Ok … out of respect for the citizens who read this blog ... I am a cop first of all. I’ll sum it up in a nutshell … you don’t need the search to arrest that bad guy … not at first. You stop the guy and frisk him on separate articulable reasonable suspicion (that just means you can verbalize why you suspected him of committing a crime – in this case possessing a handgun). This yields the probable cause for the search. Now you don’t have simply an arrest, but you have a case that will stand up in court. You start playing fast and loose with a 4th Amendment right and you will lose. Period. Your post was a little insulting … but I can see how you may have thought I was defending the gangbanger. I was not. Perhaps my tone was wrong but my intentions were sound. Lock the guy up AND put him in jail. If you don’t hell be right back out in a day or two … this time a bit more cocky. If you are going to do it, do it right.
Anonymous said...
O.T... State Trooper wrote my kid a ticket down state in Bloomington where he goes to school. It's not even a hazardous violation.Kid mentions that he's the son of a Chicago P.O.. Troopers reply- "thats' great". He goes back to the car and comes back with the ticket. I and every other copper that I've ever worked with has always extended professional courtesy to family members. WTF
CPD is their own worst enemy. They expect breaks anywhere in any state. They flash a badge speeding by exepcting a break. At least stop and show respect. I will not automatically extend courtesy to family members unless I know them. Anyone can claim a father is the police. Medallions mean nothing. Easy to obtain. How about not speeding or driving DUI? It is so bad that I leave certain expressways for several hours to avoid stopping off duty PO's leaving taverns. On LSD it is terrible between 2-4am.
My daughter just got stopped by an Indiana Trooper. She was going way too fast. Trooper was professional. She mentioned that her father is a Chicago police Officer, as I have instructed her to do, all the while being polite. Trooper responded that he saw the FOP medallion on the back of the car. The trooper also said Chicago guys usually blow right by them and flash a badge.
And your daughter was speeding how fast? FOP medallions that are soo easy to buy or given away by police? Her father is the good guy, not like the other hundreds of PO's that fly by without stopping? Sorry, but life sucks. Slow down and teach your daughter to obey the law.
How about the jag-off cpd traffic guy who works the skyway. He brags that he will DUI 10 coppers before he retires, so far he got 4 The last victim was a Sgt. from 009 returning from a retirement party who pulled over at the Mcdonalds. Who needs J-fed he got our own J-off amongst our own ranks. But then what do you expect from a traffic Jag-Off who lives in 016
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We all have that one jag in the academy that turns into this guy.
Anonymous said...
O.T... State Trooper wrote my kid a ticket down state in Bloomington where he goes to school. It's not even a hazardous violation.Kid mentions that he's the son of a Chicago P.O.. Troopers reply- "thats' great". He goes back to the car and comes back with the ticket. I and every other copper that I've ever worked with has always extended professional courtesy to family members. WTF
I understand your frustration. You have no idea how many CPD are stopped for speeding and DUI and given a pass or other service. Amazing how CPD is everywhere and demand a pass! At least show some respect and courtesy when stopped. Or "I am the real police"! Does anyone in CPD actually do not drive 30 miles or more over the limit or not DUI? Imagine if every one actually received a ticket? You would be amazed. So quit complaining and be graetful that other departments still give a pass despite the lack of respect by CPD.
Word in 009 is that the good sgt FL got ratted out by his very own DC Roy. Roy called RA to go after any 009 copper drinking and driving. FL got dui'd because his DC wanted him to get caught. Roy is currently working with J-Fed to hammer any 009 po's caught drinking.
Ask anybody in 009 about how shady Roy is and you will see why he is not respected!
-3rd watch po
5/07/2008 11:05:00 PM
Sounds plausable. Nobody gives a fuck about how "shady" the 3rd watch finds Roy. Maybe he is "shady" because he thinks yout an asshole like the rest of us. Go Fuck Yourself.
Make no mistake about it. PO in 009 who wore violet sunglasses at night WAS/IS crazy. The bangers were scared for that reason alone.
009 is much better off without the po. Nobody liked the po.
-Days in 009
Anonymous said...
My daughter just got stopped by an Indiana Trooper. She was going way too fast. Trooper was professional. She mentioned that her father is a Chicago police Officer, as I have instructed her to do, all the while being polite. Trooper responded that he saw the FOP medallion on the back of the car. The trooper also said Chicago guys usually blow right by them and flash a badge.
And your daughter was speeding how fast? FOP medallions that are soo easy to buy or given away by police? Her father is the good guy, not like the other hundreds of PO's that fly by without stopping? Sorry, but life sucks. Slow down and teach your daughter to obey the law.
5/08/2008 06:15:00 AM
I was stopped by ISP and given a pass, the young trooper was nice but I was 20 over! My wife was stopped and written a warning ticket. I was also stopped in Indiana 28 over and given a ticket yes I was pissed but then again he may of saved my life, as i was going way to fast! Get over it it happens even to us, most times we get a pass like myself and others have many times!
We all have that one jag in the academy that turns into this guy.
5/08/2008 08:02:00 AM
Why write DUI's? Let all PO's drive reckless down streets where our families live. Who cares until someone is killed in a accident. Wait a minute. Did several PO's kill innocent persons while DUI? Amazing how far the standards have dropped for this job.
man, i give people passes for having a fucking job and some coppers can't give us a pass or even our family members? the good ol days are gone
SCC, I believe tha you are a little off base in your reply to 5/07/2008 01:41:00 AM. You seem to have deduced from the finding that the judge threw out the actual stop of the person. I don't read it that way. He only threw out the search following the stop that discovered the contraband. Too many of you guys, apparently including SCC, fail to remember that the decision in Terry v. Ohio and in the Illinois Law, which is modeled on that decision, states that when you detain someone for temporary questioning a search is only allowed when the officer reasonably suspects that the person stopped will attack the officer or another person. The officer may then search for weapons. That is pretty clear to me. It should be obvious that the officer must be able to articulate why he thought the subject may attack, as well as why he stopped the person in the first place. These are 2 separate issues. Read what you included in your post: "Brooklyn federal Judge John Gleeson found Daughtry shouldn't have searched McRae because the convicted felon 'did not move in a sufficiently suspicious manner." It sounds to me like he disallowed the search, not the stop. Obviously any evidence found would then be suppressed. Maybe the fault lies with the officer, or us in general in not being able to express things correctly.
Since this thread started there has been a lot of terminology thrown aound. Remember that a Terry stop only requires REASONABLE INFERENCE FROM TOTAL CIRCUMSTANCES that a crime has been, is being, or is about to be committed. If the officer REASONABLY SUSPECTS that an attack may occur, the frisk may be done. I don’t believe that the Supreme Court or Illinois Law uses the term probable cause anywhere in relation to Terry. Incidentally there is nothing that says that you cannot use your police experience in making an inference from the total circumstances. A lot of the talk about reasonable belief, probable cause and such is really just about semantics. However, it has always seemed to me that the term “reasonably suspects’ as used in the Illinois Stop and Frisk law is a lot lower standard than the rest of the terms that have been thrown about.
I know, I know nobody wants to hear this. It is much easier to blame the courts, judges, state’s attorneys, the public and the media than it is to try to understand the rules and learn to use them in the proper way. In many cases, if these circumstances are presented correctly the stop and search can be allowed. You can’t just play a guessing game, and, as 01:41 AM says you can’t just selectively decide which amendments in the Bill of Rights are important. What I see way too much of here, and on the blog in general, is that most of you that post seem to be saying, “WTF, I’m a cop! Nobody should expect me to play by the rules, and if you do make me play by the rules I will simply stop working.”
Just out of curiosity, does anyone know why this was in front of a Federal Judge? Doesn’t sound like it was an appeal, but rather an initial hearing with a motion to suppress the evidence. Does anyone know if New York City is one of the places that a lot of gun cases are going directly to Federal Court? Since this was in Federal Court, it would appear that the ruling was in accordance with a Federal standard, not New York law, which probabaly has a similar statute to Illinois governing temporary questioning.
5/07 3:23 pm, Hey J-Fed, go F#%$ yourself, and stay off this blog!
bloomington complainer: don't be rapping the State Police. I also was stopped near Bloomington for speeding. Trooperwrote a warning. All it means it don't commit another violation for 6 months. be grateful the trooper didn't write what your son was actually doing. two sides to every story.
retired CPD
where is brian murphy
5/07/2008 01:46:00 AM
Answer: He is now Deputy Chief - Strategic Deployment. When the Bureau was created there was only a Deputy Superintendent of Strategic Deployment - John Risley and now Mike Shields. Then when Mike Masters from City Hall became Chief of Staff a spot was created for the bumped Patrick Daly as ADS Strategic Deployment. Now they've added another layer naming Brian Murphy as Deputy Chief of Strategic Deployment.
As much as it changes, it still remains the same game.
I liked the guy who wore the sunglasses at night. He kicked major ass when you needed him. Good man.
Make no mistake about it. PO in 009 who wore violet sunglasses at night WAS/IS crazy. The bangers were scared for that reason alone.
009 is much better off without the po. Nobody liked the po.
-Days in 009
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Alert: we have a 97 lbs. bumble bee in 025 who wears black and bright yellow-lens sunglasses.. But thank goodness she NEVER hit the streets in her.. I think 4 year career.. Otherwise the gangbangers would have laughed themselves to death!
Signed,
Almost 5 years in hell
I have to jump in with SCC on this one. Civil evidence is much more liberal than Criminal Evidence Rules.
One Example:
In a criminal trial, in an affirmative defense, a self-defense case, such as this one, i.e. "we killed him, but we were justified..." You can bring in the offender's character of violence, of drunkeness, of aggression on past occasions, of fighting with the police. You can say "Ya he tried to run us over .. in 1996 he tried to run over Pacho ... in 1998 he struck a police officer ... in 2000 he hit someone with a B Ball bat." In a civil trial you could not bring in any of that.
So, there IS a difference.
We love the guy in 006. He doesn't wear sunglasses at night, but he still shows up when you need him most. Thank God.
11:51PM
I agree! Man, I love seeing that tooth pick chewing guy coming to my calls. He cracks me out there. Always wearing his police leather...even in 70 degree weather. He's ghetto warrior all the way! I KNOW if Pookie gets out of line, that copper WILL make an example out of him. The bangers in 006 hate seeing him.
Ghetto warrior? The guy works in 006. Try Englewood if you wanna be a REAL ghetto officer.
Ask anybody how bad 007 is? Gresham ain't got nothing.
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