The Death of the Drop Case
Never a good idea anyway. It was only a matter of time until this rumor took shape. We certainly hope there isn't much to it:
- a VERY good source says to watch for the indictments to come regarding the following type of PCS arrests:
1- Dude gets locked up for SUB
2- Search subsequent to arrest reveals dope on his person
Seems too many of the tactical superstars have beat to death an obvious pattern and may have stretched the truth. POD CAMERAS TO PROVIDE EVIDENCE AGAINST THE ARRESTING OFFICERS. IAD and the Feds have been watching. Good luck to all that may be involved.
We don't think the search subsequent to arrest would be that big a problem unless someone out and out lied about it. If you go through people with any sort of regularity, you find dope constantly. Where the problem starts is with "subject dropped ..." and it snowballs from there. Especially with cameras everywhere. Dope leads to all sorts of problems and not just for the junkies.
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posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
114 Comments:
It's laziness& sloth that has made the "drop" case prevalent amongst those that play the dopeman game. Their ignorance & ego prevents them from articulating the facts of the case,and they stand in slackjawed amazement when No Probable Cause reverberates throughout the Court room. Sympathy for these fools?
I think not,you reap what you sow.
Hey SCC, shitheads do drop shit. Stop the propaganda. Why would you post this? If a copper is lying on paper then that is a different problem. Why would you put something like this on the blog where a civilian or JUDGE will think that all drop cases are bullshit? This site is cooll sometimes, but sometimes---like this thread--does nothing but discredit us. Just the words you have written make civiliam=ns belive that all cops make shit up and that most of us will lie on paper. This is a post that should not be here. End of story.
The sad thing is that a lot of times the offender does drop the dope. And when such an action occurs, it appears that we cannot write the truth as the truth is appearing to be a lie. What a horrible thing that the police cannot be believed in this society. I guess I should just sit in the car and enjoy this wonderful A/C the city provides.
While makimg arrests for unrelated felonies, I often came across offenders with small quantities of narcotics. When they 'fessed up to the felony, I wou;d toss the drugs in a sewer, body of water, etc. in their presence.
On other occasions with no other chargeable crime, I would seek information on unsolved homicides and other felonies and ignore the drugs.
With well over a thoudand Part I felony arrests during my career, I only made one narcotics arrest:
On my first month OTJ, I locked up a 19-year-old with a joint. Since several of my non-police friends smoked reefer, I felt ashamed of myself for making such a chickenshit arrest. I never made another arrest for narcotics. Same goes for drinkers, gamblers, pissers, parking tickets and otherwise law-abiding local merchants transporting business receipts while armed.
I had absolutely no interest in being assigned to narcotics, intelligence, gambling, prostitution, traffic, just juveniles or any inside job.
I spent my entire career in the Detective Division and fast ghetto districts.
Unless officers are compelled to make bullshit arrests on the signed complaint of a third party or the direct order of a ranking officer, THE EAGLE DOES NOT HUNT FLIES.
bottom line is this, DO ZERO. and let this fuckin place become detroit.
They do drop things and run. Dope, guns, I've even seen them throw USC. What's the problem? If that's the standard story case after case, well maybe..ah, who gives a shit any more.
Use littering as PC dummies
SCC "heard another rumor"
keep stirring the pot
I still don't know what "SUB" is.
They drop everything. These aren't false arrest. I'd say almost 99% of them are truth.
THE EAGLE is a blow hard. Get over yourself. Anybody who refers to themselves as "THE EAGLE" or speaks of themselves in the third person is an asshat!
whatever.....who cares anymore ?
"Just the words you have written make civiliam=ns belive that all cops make shit up and that most of us will lie on paper."
Hey P.O. Panicky, People/Judges don't have to make determinations on our crediblity due to postings on this blog. They can easily pick up the daily papers & come to that conclusion. What's up Big guy? The walls closing in, collar getting tight,slowly coming to realize your illustrious dope busting career was fraudulent based on nothing more than upon blatant lies& 1/2 truths?
SCC, I totally agree with 6/09/2008 01:49:00 AM.
SCC u are full of shit. U have made members of this department afraid to take a shit on duty because of the false facts you write.
I call total bullshit, POD cameras do not in fact record sound and hence SUB could not be invalidated as a charge..rather some mutt continually goes on here and tries to stir things up....weve done numerous warrants where joe has high speed internet (free thanks to the taxpayers)and is getting more and more adapt at using the keyboard and that retired guy is full of shit too
With well over a thoudand Part I felony arrests during my career, I only made one narcotics arrest: uh 2:13 am I have to call bull crap on this statement. If not I will vote for your place in the supercop hall of fame. 1000 part one felonies my ass.
Dope leads to ALL KINDS of problems.
And that's because we're using the heavy guns of criminal law to try - with little succes - to control it.
Decriminalize now, and start writing lots of possession tickets for possession fines. No felony review on those, guys. And the prosecution wins tickets.
Wise man Says:
THE EAGLE DOES NOT HUNT FLIES.
BUT THE DORK BRAGS ABOUT HIS PART I ARRESTS.
Use littering as PC dummies
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Tried that once, dude flicked a cigarette out the window of car he was driving. Stop revealed suspended license/no insurance. Search of vehicle revealed 40+ grams of blow. where do you think this case went. You guessed it - N.G.
Thanks, so now I got to feel like I'm not being truthful when this actually happened and happens. This post definitely needs to be removed. SCC, please think before you type.
Holy Dropped Batman!!!
Street punks drop a lot of shit like; guns, beer and high school. But, few drop dope unless they are running. I think the message is getting clearer all the time SCC...
Most coppers get it...except for a few stubborn zealots out there working under a false assumption. We are under new management and a different way of thinking is the order of the day.
Corruption of any shape or form will no longer be tolerated. At first, you might not have not even realized the corruption since it has become a general practice, it has become part of our culture. This corruption started at the top the very first day they started looking at police work as a numbers game. Today, this very morning in a meeting with the Superintendent, what do they do? They read off numbers.
A lot of you still have trouble believing this. But it is true...Police work is NOT a numbers game. Police work for those who have forgotten, is about investigating crime, interviewing witnesses, preparing reports, making solid arrests, testifying in court and much more. Police work is all about serving and protecting the best interests of the public. NOT your boss or their bosses boss or the Da Mayor. You owe your loyalty to the citizens. Somehow many of us have given blind loyalty to their bosses, for what? To make them look good Supporting the Numbers Game?
The newbees bosses seem to think they can flood this city with more cops on the weekends, demand quotas, and use us to aggressively harass & violate the Constitutional rights of citizens. The newbee’s answer to a crime trend? A corrupt crime fighting strategy. What are the consequences for you vs. them?
Da Mayor lives in his own little world of make believe, he has spent the city's money recklessly, and now we are all faced with unexpected economic pressures that none of us thought would happen.
Remember who you are, in case you have forgotten, your are not a mindless machine, you are the police, so start acting like it!
Those pods are useless! You mean to tell me the only good they do is arrest policemen taking dopeheads/burglars rapists off the streets??? Great way to use these useless tools.
the truth is that they do drop dope, guns, anything they have when they see the police. i have seen burglars drop televisions and stand there and hope you keep driving. it is a natural reaction. whats his name dropped a nail file on the mound when the home plate umpire approached him for a field interview.
6/09/2008 02:13:00 AM
Your post should start "Once upon a time".
I will go you one better. Back in the day ole boy tossess his paper "pony packs" up into the air when he sees me. Like they were never gonna fall back to earth?
Retired:
"THE EAGLE DOES NOT HUNT FLIES"
That line gave you away, John.
think of all the mutts out there that DIDN'T drop dope that DIDN'T get locked up.....
The other day I was driving down an alley on the Westside and observed a Hype walking with a purpose (obviously dirty). I pulled up next to him and simply asked, "Hey what's in your hand." He looked at me and I swear he said, "Just this rock Office" as he showed me the rock he just bought. I wonder if anyone would actually believe that if I wrote it down on paper. When are people going to realize we aren't dealing with the most logical elements of society on a daily basis. What makes sense to a judge and State's attorney probably isn't the same as what makes sense to a rock head (even though I sometimes wonder if they have about the same level of intelligence).
6/09/2008 02:13:00 AM
and I bet you never wrote any kind of "bullshit" parker or mover either, probably beneath your dignity.
Police works takes in everything, from bullshit parkers to homicide.
Asshats stupid enough to be caught with dope need locking up. But I guess you are too special. Tell ya what, go fuck yourself!
And in case you didn't hear me the first time, I said go fuck yourself!
Anonymous said...
bottom line is this, DO ZERO. and let this fuckin place become detroit.
6/09/2008 04:54:00 AM
I agree I want my pension, no cr's,no indictments, and to tell the jagoff bosses get fucked! I start on time get fuel, wash, personal, answer jobs (keep plenty of paper), lunch, answer a call (paper on almost every job), Personal then time to go home! No stress relaxed like it should be, why worry about losing your job? The bosses hang us out to dry all the time, no balls bosses have ruined this job along with criminal daley and his thugs!
So I suppose the reality is a bustout approaching the dope spot, placing the written order, selecting method of payment and the most ecconomical and expedient shipping and then sitting at home waiting for UPS to deliver the
bag(s), right? Bullshit. Dude sits at the dope spot typically with bag in hand or retreives it from the Cheeto's bag strategically placed nearby. He hands it to the bustout until interrupted by a couple of white guys-who still have some slight semblence of a work ethic-at which time the bag is dropped is dropped to the pavement, recovered by the white guys, and an arrest made. Doubt it? Then get the fuck out of of the CAPS office and do some work. Better yet leave the job and join Obama's Black Liberation Campaign up Pennsylvania Avenue. I'll get behind the coppers coming in with the drop case.
Westside Sergeant.
SCC, this post is BS. YOU are a rumor monger. You have no proof of this and in the mean time you put this post up here for everyone to see (lawyers, etc..).
Just b/c one idiot says he "heard it from a very good source" does not mean that it's true.
This post is doing us a disservice.
By the way, people DO drop narcotics when you approach them. This happens almost daily to me. So f*ck off with this post.
officer, THE EAGLE DOES NOT HUNT FLIES.
6/09/2008 02:13:00 AM
Hey we are there to uphold the law as it is written; not to justify your moral compass. if they are breaking the law then they should go to jail, or ticketted.
SCC, your comment "never a good idea anyway" is B.S. shitheads drop dope,guns and even their money and run all the time, they don't run sometimes thinking you didn't see them drop or throw it.
retired said...
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I know where you are comming from, but tossing dope in the sewer is not a good idea these days because cameras are everywhere. This is another reason why guys have stopped doing "real" street stops. You never know if grandma is on the porch w/cell phone camera.
These tact guys and Tru guys better watch out with the boiler plate field interview/dude says "I got a bag of weed on me" its gonna be trouble. Give'em the city they asked for kids!
"THE EAGLE DOES NOT HUNT FLIES.
6/09/2008 02:13:00 AM"
True, but how many authentic eagles are there?
And how many 'chicken hawks'?
"SCC "heard another rumor"
keep stirring the pot
6/09/2008 06:29:00 AM"
Yes.
Keep stirring the pot.
Criminals drop shit all the time, they do it by design. When it goes to court, they throw it out because the atty argues about did you know what it was when he dropped it, was there garbage on the ground already, ect. They toss and drop the dope by design, because they know most of the time it will get tossed in probable cause court. Dont stir the pot, it happins, that is what the majority of foot chases are all about. Some people write shitty reports, but dont limit bad policing to just dope cases, bad paper is bad paper.
2:13 AM
You are a disgrace.
You should have adopted the "broken windows", "quality of life" theory of policing.
Enough of the murderers, rapists, armed robbers, burglars and auto thieves.
To hell with "eagles". Be a "sparrow" and get out there and get me some one-baggers, ANOVs, 40 ouncers and parkers, you dog-ass.
"Do nothing"
Pretty Little Bruentte
I think the problem starts when a car brings in a few heads for SUB (maybe w/in range of a pod camera), and then charges the arrestee with the dope on their person. This shouldn't be a problem. I would guess the problem would be the arrestee(s) not actually yelling out "rocks Park" (or whatever) while the police are present (if at all). MAYBE this is where the "caught on camera" part comes in. Just a thought. Where did the issue of drop cases come from with this thread???
I spent my entire career in the Detective Division and fast ghetto districts.
Unless officers are compelled to make bullshit arrests on the signed complaint of a third party or the direct order of a ranking officer, THE EAGLE DOES NOT HUNT FLIES.
6/09/2008 02:13:00 AM
I can only assume that you don't have a partner, because there would be no room for him or her with your giant ego riding shotgun. Take your ego and your inflated number of arrests and shove them both up your pompous ass ! I also worked in the ghetto and I have locked up the occasional drinker or pisser or bag of weed. Why ? Beacuse when a jagoff will stand on the sidewalk and drink from his 40 while laughing in your face telling you that ,"I'm only drinking a beer." The best recourse is handcuffs and a trip to the graybar hotel. So let me ask you supercop...who won that battle ? My partner and I. It's not always about being a piimpy arrest, sometimes it's a matter of principle and to save the next officer who deals with mr. shithead a few minutes of grief when mr. shithead knows that if he is breaking the law (even a minor infraction) he should act like a civilized human being instead of acting like the street thug that he really is. Trust me, I've seen the arrest activity in 010, 011, 015, 025...there are drinkers in every lockup, south side districts too. I, along with most aggressive officers on tact/ gang/ sos (rip)/ the watches and other units have made a great number of arrests along with the occasional drinker, pisser, weed, 1 rock or tin. Sometimes you take what presents itself, and not act like it's beneath you to make a m.c.c. arrest...you pompous, arrogant, self-centered, I-guy, DICK !!!!
I spent my entire career in the Detective Division and fast ghetto districts.
Unless officers are compelled to make bullshit arrests on the signed complaint of a third party or the direct order of a ranking officer, THE EAGLE DOES NOT HUNT FLIES.
6/09/2008 02:13:00 AM
oops...in my earlier post, I made a typo, should've read made a number of great arrests, but, the other way is true also.
there is nothing wrong with the drop case if that is the way it happened. The problem is when he didn't drop the narcotics and you say he did.
aggree that sometimes the drop case can be a result of laziness but anyone who has watched enough dope spots has seen hypes drop dope as enforcement officers approach. it does happen.
Rumblings from 35th St. Truth to the rumor...Rule 14 violations at the minimum, Civil Rights Violations also included. West Side district(s) to be the first casual(ties). Several instances still under investigation in at least two south side districts.
Unless officers are compelled to make bullshit arrests on the signed complaint of a third party or the direct order of a ranking officer, THE EAGLE DOES NOT HUNT FLIES.
6/09/2008 02:13:00 AM
Well superfly, I have some news for you.
The VAST majority of the most dangerous murderers in this city that are currently in IDOC are not there for murder, but for narcotics convictions.
Murder/Agg Batt/Armed Robbery investigations routinely go to shit because most of the victims in this city are worthless. Narcotics arrests (good ones) never go away. The PO keeps going to court, and many times keeps getting paid.
I have had arrestees with three rocks get sentenced to 5 years.
So, superfly, how many murderers and other career criminals did you let walk away after they gave you some BS info about some shooting that was never charged anyway?
This is very unfortunate because they drop the stuff quite often. Now what do you do when you apprehend someone who has dropped dope? Let it go because you look like a liar? And in response to the detective who says eagles don't hunt flies, well, when you have a problem corner sometimes, or a hot spot, or just a plain asshole, you have to swat a few flies. Of course by swat I mean arrest, not hit. It can't all be guts and glory my friend at least not for us average guys....
To the Eagle:
You sir/madam are a tool. Lets see, if you did make an arrest for narcotics maybe those offenders wouldn't be on the street to commit burglaries, rapes, robberies, and murders. I wonder how many of those offendrs you "let go" committed crimes because of your illegal personal policy. How prevelant is the connection with drugs and other crimes ? Oh yeah, close to a 100%.
DOES S-U-B MEAN... STUPID UNKNOWN BULLSHIT?
"Hey we are there to uphold the law as it is written; not to justify your moral compass. if they are breaking the law then they should go to jail, or ticketted.
6/09/2008 12:42:00 PM"
Yavol, Mein Furher!!!
"This post is doing us a disservice.
6/09/2008 12:32:00 PM"
This mayor, and his shills pretending to be 'da police', are the ones doing a 'disservice'.
Fuck, this mayor is the definition of disservice.
"UNSUB" is FBI lingo for UNknown SUBject.
I haven't the foggiest idea what a "SUB" is unless it's a sandwich or an underwater vessel.
IF an eagle was not able to hunt his regular game, due to ineptitude, he certainly would learn to hunt flies in order to survive... I guess I'm saying the many of the powers that be are inept eagles... caw caw!
Police work is all about serving and protecting the best interests of the public. NOT your boss or their bosses boss or the Da Mayor.
6/09/2008 10:25:00 AM
This is what we all have to remember.
I would only add that Police work is also about going home in one piece; physically, emotionally and legally, at the end of your tour.
THE EAGLE HAS LANDED!
Alright, I give up, 2:13 AM. Which Eagle are you?
Joe Walsh, Don Henley or Glenn Frey?
I'm tired of life in the fast lane so I decided to take it easy at the Hotel California with a tequila sunrise in my talon.
Absolutely NO ARRESTS unless a signed complaint! Except Domestic with evidence of violence and vict refuses to sign.
Throw in the odd traffic violator!
I told you 2 months ago this was goin go start and someone stated, "You should know who is decoy out there." Yeah, but the rookie officers don't know who are all the players. And they might step on there dick. Rule 14 on everything becareful guys.
On other occasions with no other chargeable crime, I would seek information on unsolved homicides and other felonies and ignore the drugs.
With well over a thoudand Part I felony arrests during my career, I only made one narcotics arrest:
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Homicide, CSA, Robb, Arson, Burg, Theft, Auto Theft --> you made 1,000 arrests for these, huh?
Thanks, so now I got to feel like I'm not being truthful when this actually happened and happens. This post definitely needs to be removed. SCC, please think before you type.
6/09/2008 09:38:00 AM
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Why should FEELINGS come into it? either you are telling the truth or you aren't. Just make sure that whatever you are testifying to is truthful, and don't make stuff up... Your feelings are not part of the equation regarding whether or not you are going to enforce the laws, leave them at home... Now how you THINK about it is something else... what do you think about drop cases?
I can say that YES, it happens, but I don't think it happens every time and there is a perfectly honest way to get probable cause for a dope pinch when the guy doesn't drop it, it just takes a few more sentences to explain...
I did some math on 2:13 am.
It's entirely possible. Assume this retired guy worked the streets for 25 yrs. for about 48 5-day work weeks per year. If he CONSISTENTLY averaged just ONE Part I felony pinch per week, he would have 1,200 such arrests. Most of his felony arrests would obviously be for burglary, auto theft and grand theft rather than violent crimes. He probably was never promoted above detective.
If it's true, the sad thing is the dept. doesn't keep score or promote based on such awesome numbers.
I made quite a few pinches for felony property crimes and tossed a rock or 2 myself. Who wants to go to Narcotics court on a BS technicality. On OT, I usually took the time rather than cash to spend more time with my family.
anonymous said...
They drop everything. These aren't false arrest. I'd say almost 99% of them are truth.
6/09/2008 07:32:00 AM
Hahahahahahahahahaha!
anonymous said...
THE EAGLE is a blow hard. Get over yourself. Anybody who refers to themselves as "THE EAGLE" or speaks of themselves in the third person is an asshat!
6/09/2008 07:39:00 AM
Please learn to read. The poster to whom you refer called himself "I" through the whole post. "THE EAGLE DOES NOT HUNT FLIES" is an allegory, obviously meant as a symbolic representation. The poster did not refer to himself as "THE EAGLE."
anonymous said...
"Do nothing"
Pretty Little Bruentte
6/09/2008 02:18:00 PM
You're not as pretty as you think you are and you can't spell, either.
WHO GIVES A FUCK?
everyone who works has run into the shithead who looks and then runs, drops and continues to run even more. If you have good p.o.'s with you...someone recovers the shit and then someone grabs jagoff down the block..........god forbid someone thinks its bullshit.....kind of like these judges who feel since the shithead doesnt have anything on them, then they're not guilty of a crime........drops do occurr.........and for the asshole on here who claims he has work alot in ghetto/westside districts and only made 1 narcotics arrest......fuck you.....dope makes this shit city go round....who the fuck are you kidding ...........you must look like a mexican general with all your EARNED MEDALS that you wear on your shirt....not to mention your that fucking guy in a bar who ALWAYS HAS A STORY to tell people...........not every copper works in an area with guns a blazing and good vict willing to sing complaints everyday......and my friends dont smoke crack and do blow so i dont feel bad for getting shithead locked up on pcs cases..............we all cant be super cop like you!!!!!!!!!
DR ZAYAS
Please learn to read. The poster to whom you refer called himself "I" through the whole post. "THE EAGLE DOES NOT HUNT FLIES" is an allegory, obviously meant as a symbolic representation. The poster did not refer to himself as "THE EAGLE."
Let's continue the allegory. The proud Eagle sits on his comfortable perch watching the disease infested flies spread viruses and bacteria all over the Eagle's land. Once the disease ridden flies and their cousins the mosquitos overran the land, the people who lived there sprayed DDT, which caused the Eagle's eggshells to become thin and brittle and ultimately the population of Eagles to dwindle.
Probably should have hunted the odd fly....
Allegorically speaking of course...
Hey officer 1000 part ones , I don't think thats the proper way to inventory or dispose of narcotics. So you admittedly, at the very least disregard department procedure just to avoid doing your job properly and then brag about it on a blog.
Your a jackass.
"It's laziness& sloth that has made the "drop" case prevalent amongst those that play the dopeman game. Their ignorance & ego prevents them from articulating the facts of the case,and they stand in slackjawed amazement when No Probable Cause reverberates throughout the Court room. Sympathy for these fools?
I think not,you reap what you sow."
-6/09/2008 12:46:00 AM
Thank you, whoever you are. This issue could not have been summed up better.
"THE EAGLE is a blow hard. Get over yourself."
-6/09/2008 07:39:00 AM
Retard(s). The phrase, "The eagle does not hunt flies" is a FIGURE OF SPEACH! It means to imply that our talents and energies should be put to more effective use.
A case in point, of all the tens of thousands of arrests we've made for what are essentially non-violent drug offenses, has it had any perceptible effect on the price, use, or availability of illegal narcotics and cannabis? Of course not. Did Prohibition?
I'm always fascinated by the steadfast refusal of proponents of the so-called "war on drugs" to acknowledge its disturbing parallels to Prohibition. No other factor played a greater role in the rise of organized crime in the US than Prohibition. By criminalizing what is in effect a personal choice (what to ingest into one's own body) the State created an instant commodity for those bold enough to exploit it and reap the stupendous profits. Organized crime was the inevitable consequence of this scenario.
Likewise, the "war on drugs" is doomed to fail, in fact, by every measurable standard has failed. Virtually all of the violence surrounding the drug trade, like Prohibition before it, is over profits which would cease to exist if their product were declared legal.
Our idiotic drug laws have made us a laughingstock in the industrialized world and for good reason. With only 5% of the world's population we hold 25% of the world's incarcerated persons, some 2.2 million, most of whom are incarcerated for non-violent drug offenses. This number exceeds that of China, a totalitarian gulag with five times our population! Yet for all this our drug policies have not made our society safe, in fact, they have had the opposite effect.
Anyone here who would risk his or her career with a bogus "drop case" is a damn fool who will deserve their fate. To get caught up in such a net requires one of two things in the (self-inflicted) victim officer: faith in the efficacy of the "war on drugs" or enthusiasm for the "numbers game", both of which mark a fool.
"Pretty Little Bruentte"
Would blonde be easier to spell? Post a picture, let us be the judge!
Guys, it's "eagles don't chase flies". First heard it as a young Task Force P.O. in the 60's. It was probably started by "Johnny Northside" or other Filmore P.O's when describing the "real police" out of Maxwell Street...
"Probably should have hunted the odd fly....
Allegorically speaking of course...
6/10/2008 01:03:00 AM"
Nope.
Should have hunted the people spraying the DDT.
"6/10/2008 04:14:00 AM"
Big money being made by prohibited drug manufacturers, smugglers, distributors and retail dealers.
Bigger money being made by those who are taxpayer financed to enforce/arrest, prosecute/defend, convict and incarcerate the 'offenders' of prohibitory laws.
Biggest money being made by the pharmaceutical and medical industries, from taxpayers and insurance companies, via the unfree market of by-prescription-only substances.
All being done under the cover of the Big Brother type mentality, ie., 'Big Brother knows what's best for you'.
Of course, 'they' know better than to try and prohibit alcoholic beverages again. Way too popular.
When weed is as popular as booze, it's phony prohibition will also succumb to popular opinion.
"THE EAGLE is a blow hard. Get over yourself."
-6/09/2008 07:39:00 AM
Retard(s). The phrase, "The eagle does not hunt flies" is a FIGURE OF SPEACH! It means to imply that our talents and energies should be put to more effective use.
A case in point, of all the tens of thousands of arrests we've made for what are essentially non-violent drug offenses, has it had any perceptible effect on the price, use, or availability of illegal narcotics and cannabis? Of course not. Did Prohibition?
I'm always fascinated by the steadfast refusal of proponents of the so-called "war on drugs" to acknowledge its disturbing parallels to Prohibition. No other factor played a greater role in the rise of organized crime in the US than Prohibition. By criminalizing what is in effect a personal choice (what to ingest into one's own body) the State created an instant commodity for those bold enough to exploit it and reap the stupendous profits. Organized crime was the inevitable consequence of this scenario.
Likewise, the "war on drugs" is doomed to fail, in fact, by every measurable standard has failed. Virtually all of the violence surrounding the drug trade, like Prohibition before it, is over profits which would cease to exist if their product were declared legal.
Our idiotic drug laws have made us a laughingstock in the industrialized world and for good reason. With only 5% of the world's population we hold 25% of the world's incarcerated persons, some 2.2 million, most of whom are incarcerated for non-violent drug offenses. This number exceeds that of China, a totalitarian gulag with five times our population! Yet for all this our drug policies have not made our society safe, in fact, they have had the opposite effect.
Anyone here who would risk his or her career with a bogus "drop case" is a damn fool who will deserve their fate. To get caught up in such a net requires one of two things in the (self-inflicted) victim officer: faith in the efficacy of the "war on drugs" or enthusiasm for the "numbers game", both of which mark a fool.
6/10/2008 04:14:00 AM
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Oh come on, drugs gotta be illegal. Those who say "make drugs legal" have not thought this issue completely through. Ya, let's make crack cocaine, heroin, methamphetamine legal. Ya, that'll work.
Guys, it's "eagles don't chase flies". First heard it as a young Task Force P.O. in the 60's. It was probably started by "Johnny Northside" or other Filmore P.O's when describing the "real police" out of Maxwell Street...
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Ya, but that guy heard it from me ... at roll call in 1959 ... really he did.
Signed,
Dickie Backside
While I am flattered that 6:55 AM wants to credit me with coining "The Eagle Does Not Hunt Flies", the allegorical etymology traces back far before any of us were born.
Also, while there are uncanny similarities between the unknown "retired" 2:13 AM poster and myself, had I come upon a lid of primo gooey purple sinsemilla buds, particularly of Hawaiian or Northern Californian origin, I certainly would not flush them.
In those pre-piss test days of yore, I imagine that I would probably bring it home for an all-nighter of tantric lovemaking with a lovely, bosomy, callipygian young lady (or two), complete with candlelight, music, Dom Perignon, Australian rock lobster tail, warm baby oil, whipped cream, ad infinitum.
Oops, sorry. I was daydreaming again.
Back to reading the Kama Sutra before I check the mail for my subscription to High Times magazine. Don't you just love the centerfolds?
Seriously, one thing I can tell you. If you were to amass over a thousand career Part I felony arrest incidents, it don't mean shit on this fucked up job.
A shameless, suckhole moron with a phone call will probably be your boss.
Homie don't play that game. Never did. Never will.
to 6/09/2008 02:13:00 AM
I see that these small arrests are too good for you; however as a female officer, i hate seeing men pissing in the alley. I'm sure your attitude would be different if you were with your daughter in the alley and some ass hole was pissing against your garage. Your problem seems to be you never patrolled where you live so you dont give a fuck.
6:55 AM
WRONG! Check Google.
"The eagle does not hunt flies" = 300 hits.
Your "eagles don't chase flies" only 10 hits.
What's Northside got to do with this? I have no doubt that he has made over 1000 felony arrests but he never bragged about it. Even if he did, check out Muhammed Ali and Joe Namath. They were just stating facts.
What say you, Northside?
It's laziness& sloth that has made the "drop" case prevalent amongst those that play the dopeman game. Their ignorance & ego prevents them from articulating the facts of the case,and they stand in slackjawed amazement when No Probable Cause reverberates throughout the Court room. Sympathy for these fools?
I think not,you reap what you sow.
6/09/2008 12:46:00 AM
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Do you mean to tell me that you've never rolled up on someone that looked dead at you and then dropped their dope?! Start doing police work! They all drop their dope. At least the ones that have been locked up for it before. The drop case was not invented by the Chicago police department, its simply a common practice for these bustouts to drop their dope!
And fuck the judge that puts the PO in the trick bag with a 'no probable cause' based on weight. Fuck him right in the ass.
Use littering as PC dummies
6/09/2008 06:23:00 AM
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the closest statute is "discarding refuse on the public way". I used it on a drop case once since shitbird had his dope in an empty chee-tos bag and dropped it. And yes.. it was flamin hot.
wrote the anov and had him sign it, then locked him up since he admitted to dropping the bag with said narcotics in it per his signature. Judge even chuckled a bit but afterward said it wasnt necessary.
Retard(s). The phrase, "The eagle does not hunt flies" is a FIGURE OF SPEACH! It means to imply that our talents and energies should be put to more effective use.
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Interesting. Call people retards and then misspell a third grade word like SPEECH. Hmmmm.... Guess you just showed everyone who the retard is.
Why does anybody bother to address Anonymous citizen complaints...
Loud music? Not disturbing my peace...19P; Kids playing basketball in the street? Not disturbing my peace... 19P.
15 teens on the street ALL with guns but no description of the offender? BULLSHIT...19P. Viscious dog...19P call animal control; kid won't go to school...19P Not a police matter. I could go on and on but my point is made.
Without a complainant I just drive by and code it.
Our idiotic drug laws have made us a laughingstock in the industrialized world and for good reason. With only 5% of the world's population we hold 25% of the world's incarcerated persons, some 2.2 million, most of whom are incarcerated for non-violent drug offenses. This number exceeds that of China, a totalitarian gulag with five times our population! Yet for all this our drug policies have not made our society safe, in fact, they have had the opposite effect.
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Please, please tell me this fool is not a Chicago cop.
We hold 25% of the world's incarcerated persons?
Well, then we need to be up around 50%, because from my view there are still WAY too many criminals on the street.
11:50 AM
Huh? You ax me...
Say what?
4:47 PM
Speaking of "hunting flies", picky-picky:
Aren't you the persnickety one today? I'd give full weight to the cogent content of the post, assuming that "coldplay" made a typo.
You will never soar with the eagles with that cucumber sticking out of your pompous ass.
Does anybody have any rolling papers and a hemostat?
11:17 AM
If you're working the dog watch in 007 or 011, you have our unanimous permission to go squat in the bushes, as is your own inimitable feminine wont. We promise not to watch. We will even respect you at check-off.
Need some tissue, cupcake?
".....however as a female officer, i hate seeing men pissing in the alley.
6/10/2008 11:17:00 AM"
So don't look.
"Interesting. Call people retards and then misspell a third grade word like SPEECH. Hmmmm.... Guess you just showed everyone who the retard is"
-6/10/2008 04:47:00 PM
I f****ing hate when that happens! But my point, however, still stands.
"Please, please tell me this fool is not a Chicago cop"
Yep, but one with thinking ability.
"We hold 25% of the world's incarcerated persons?"
Sure do and we're no safer.
"Well, then we need to be up around 50%, because from my view there are still WAY too many criminals on the street"
Logic would dictate that my last answer applies to this statement as well. Perhaps YOU would find comfort in a police state but you may be certain that yours is the minority view.
Once again, the "war on drugs" is a farce and a fraud. No one anywhere has yet to produce counter-evidence that proves otherwise.
The Keesing Bandit says---
"...I hate seeing men pissing in the alley..."
Quick--tell me which alley!
Now, kees me you fool!!!
Barack Obama Bin-Laden says---
I misspelled a very important word in my last post, but no one called me on it.
Just like the media, no one calls me on anything. This is why the jihad will be successful.
Praise be to Allah.
Its really quite simple, if you see someone drop some "what appeared to be narcotics" to the ground, lock em up.
If you didnt see them drop it to the ground then dont lock em up
If you see someone drinking on the public way, anov or lock em up
If you see someone committing a traffic violation...warning or citation
If you see a vehicle parked illegally...ticket
If you respond to a call and there is a victim willing to sign complaints, lock em up
If you on view a crime being committed, lock em up
If you want to hit a dope spot, do some surveillance then lock em up
Its pretty straight forward
Its called POLICE WORK
Dont take it personal
The courts have and will always be on the side of the defendant..I think thats written in the constitution or something
Be careful and have fun
2:18 PM
How profound! I still don't get it. I guess I'm an imbecile. Thanks for trying.
Be careful and have fun.
"It's really quite simple...pretty straight forward" - 2:18 PM
(YAWN)
"The eagle does not catch flies" is an old proverb. The Latin form (Aquila non captat muscas) was used as a motto in the arms of the Wedderburn family of Scotland in 1704. It dates back to the late 1500s in English, and was cited by Erasmus in the early 1500s. It probabbly goes back to the Romans.
Just A Civilian
"The eagle does not HUNT flies", Mr. Rostrom.
wait til you hear about the 16th district tac team 'drop' cases, involving obstructors and drinkers
strunk & white said...
4:47 PM
Speaking of "hunting flies", picky-picky:
Aren't you the persnickety one today? I'd give full weight to the cogent content of the post, assuming that "coldplay" made a typo.
You will never soar with the eagles with that cucumber sticking out of your pompous ass.
6/10/2008 07:34:00 PM
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So I guess drugs and other public moral laws should all be ignored because they're 'uninforcable'? Those same crackheads are the ones burglarizing places, or popping car windows to get the money to buy such drugs, and because they drop them we shouldn't now write a 'drop case'? To put negative stigma on a case report that is similiar if not identical to a thousand other case reports is a blatant disregard for the truth when the truth is: crackheads drop their dope when approached. Shit... the seller drops his dope when approached if he doesnt have anywhere to run.
Why put out there that a 'drop case' is bullshit, simply because its a 'drop case'? Should the officer not enforce the law now? OR maybe it shouldnt be thrown out there that 'drop cases' are all bullshit, because I'd say they're absolutely not bullshit.
Anonymous said...
Its really quite simple, if you see someone drop some "what appeared to be narcotics" to the ground, lock em up.
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Sounds fair.
Unfortunately, by the Eagle's rationale, he is above the day to day policework that also needs to be attended to. Maybe he never wrote a parker or a mover, but without the guys that do, what is going to keep any semblance of order?
Furthermore, the eagle may not hunt flies, but someone has to or they'll overrun the world. There arent too many other occupations that can take a crackhead off the street so I guess on certain days, I just wasnt an eagle, but I did my job, and even one crackhead off the street for 30 days pending trail is one less jagoff on the street that month.
Anonymous said...
Its really quite simple, if you see someone drop some "what appeared to be narcotics" to the ground, lock em up.
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Sounds fair.
Unfortunately, by the Eagle's rationale, he is above the day to day policework that also needs to be attended to. Maybe he never wrote a parker or a mover, but without the guys that do, what is going to keep any semblance of order?
Furthermore, the eagle may not hunt flies, but someone has to or they'll overrun the world. There arent too many other occupations that can take a crackhead off the street so I guess on certain days, I just wasnt an eagle, but I did my job, and even one crackhead off the street for 30 days pending trail is one less jagoff on the street that month.
6/12/2008 03:05:00 PM
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Right. When I was in patrol some guys were too good to do traffic accidents and when I made Dic some guys were too good to do shoplifting upgrades. Primadona faggots just do your job and stop trying to pretend your better than everyone else.
"6/12/2008 02:49:00 PM"
Public Morality Laws should be ignored, as, in a free nation, morality is an individual choice, not a government mandated and imposed requirement.
When the public perceives that government can, and will, impose morality on it's citizens, those same citizens make little to no effort to encourage morality in themselves and others.
Morality is the responsibility of individuals, and groups of individuals, not the responsibility of government impositions.
Those drug users who are committing the natural crimes of theft, in whatever form, wouldn't need to do so, were the drugs they use/abuse not so costly, due entirely to their being illegal.
Substance misuse and abuse, in and of itself, is a medical problem, not a moral or legal one.
Unless you favor criminalizing the manufacture, distribution, sale, possession and consumption of alcoholic products, any support you give to the continued criminalization of other substances of choice is hypocritical at best and self-serving at worst.
When you realize, no matter how less you believe it to be, that your own shit stinks, just like everyone else's, you may begin to be the moral human being you now think you are.
I am not a C.P.D. eagle. However, I am a hawk.
While sparrows, robins and pigeons are just fine with their diet of insects, worms and bread crumbs, we birds of prey are meat eaters.
Is that so wrong? One of my best friends is a hummingbird. Ducks and geese are content with just grass. We carnivorous raptors crave live meat.
You do your thing and we raptors will do ours.
Can't we all just get along?
Set up in dope spot.. watched dude hustle in hustle out...dude got in his car and drove off...we followed dude comits a minor traffic violation....went after him...he threw the dope out the window..and it stuck to our windshield......made the arrest.....NPC....but we did get a good laugh that day...
10:24 PM
Ah! So now the few guys who do "the heavy lifting" on this job are "primadona [sic] faggots."
Spoken like a jealous, true, do-nothing clout baby. After you get your tongue out of your boss's ass, go shuffle some papers.
As long as we're comparing police to birds, let's not forget the MAGPIE. This bird habitually steals from the nests of other birds.
Sounds like a "paper jumper" to me.
"..but we did get a good laugh that day...
6/13/2008 12:59:00 PM"
And, after all, that's the important thing.
Morality is the responsibility of individuals, and groups of individuals, not the responsibility of government impositions.
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I agree, however, look at some of the morons that are walking on God's green earth? You expect them to have morals or even teach their children morals? We unfortunately have become the parents of even a lot of adults that lack the common sense to take care of themselves, and its all due to entitlement issues that have become more important than a lawful, peaceful society.
IMHO
Unless you favor criminalizing the manufacture, distribution, sale, possession and consumption of alcoholic products, any support you give to the continued criminalization of other substances of choice is hypocritical at best and self-serving at worst.
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Youre comparing a rubber band gun with a .308 rifle. Alcohol and alcohol use is neither as harmful nor as additicting as heroin, crack cocaine, powder cocaine, methamphetimines, and the like. If your rationale were to be applied generally, we wouldnt need prescriptions for painkillers either, since that is regulation as well.
Furthermore, to say that public morals should not be government enforced is pretty ridiculous. Statuatory Rape is a moral issue, Theft is a moral issue, Killing is a moral issue. Should these 'moral laws' also be ignored? Are you proposing anarchy? Why does it seem that people are more worried about themselves than they are about the state of our country? And if you have no civic pride or responsibility, you can always move somewhere else.
Those drug users who are committing the natural crimes of theft, in whatever form, wouldn't need to do so, were the drugs they use/abuse not so costly, due entirely to their being illegal.
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$5 for a rock is costly? They sell $3 blows in the burling building sometimes too. The people that use them are addicts and have never had any semblance of a real job. They love the dope, period. They are not going to go to work and earn the money to buy their cheap drugs because you cannot work while you're high. They rob and steal because they got hooked on a highly addictive substance and to make those highly addictive narcotics more readily available will only lead to more and more people becoming slaves to their drug of choice.
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