Another Quota Declaration
Who's the Captain demanding 1 mover and 5 parkers per day per officer and threatening disciplinary action and time due denials if the numbers aren't met? What a softball.
Say what you will, that's a quota. And everyone knows quota's lead to bad police work.
On the flip side, inactivity is bad police work by definition.
Can there ever be a legitimacy of quotas, instead of "index numbers" that are raised by an arbitrary 3%-per-year?
Say what you will, that's a quota. And everyone knows quota's lead to bad police work.
On the flip side, inactivity is bad police work by definition.
Can there ever be a legitimacy of quotas, instead of "index numbers" that are raised by an arbitrary 3%-per-year?
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:02 AM
118 Comments:
Bitch Bitch Bitch Moan Moan Moan Come on already! To complain about every little thing only undermines your credibility in the real issues. Have you not realized that? Twenty years ago when every officer actually worked each officer came in with one mover, a few parkers each, a bus check, and maybe a curfew or two. None of which led to bad police work. You did that so you could enjoy the six and a half or seven hours you had left after doing that trivial work. All you do is complain about the hand that feeds you. Stick to the real issues so that your opinions will carry a little weight instead of complaining about every move anyone makes. Maybe they aren’t the greatest moves sometimes, but maybe give credit for the effort. At least the officers here should offer an adult opinion stated properly and professionally. Serve your purpose well...help build the department, instead of trying to tear it down.
1 mover and 5 parkers per period sounds better. only the suckholes do more than that so they can get their little duck here and there. hard to write movers and parkers when you are in a rap all night and you are chasing one job after another. simple solution is to give supervisors mover and parker books so they can achieve the captains goals. together we can.
The one and only... Captain Tightypants (Zawis). He should have been launched years ago.
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Document every such request and stick it in their asses when the time is right. Notify the media outlets of the unfair and illegal demands aimed at the good taxpayers. Relay such information to the attendees of CAPS meetings. Offer to meet Katie Couric to investigate/discuss the difference between "indexes" and "quotas". Provide her with the name, rank and star number of the bosses making such "requests" and threats. See how that goes over.
Holy Don’t Quote Me Batman!!!
I prayed that it wouldn’t come to this. Crime up, numbers down? Well, who’s to blame? If your are frequent reader of SCC you know about the problems facing the department and still the politicians, superintendent and his politically appointed newbees haven’t pinned the tail on the donkey yet. They continue to ignore the silly, silly, and more silly complaints made by the rank n file and then craw up the asses’ of the street bosses for more numbers. More activity? Or is that just a code name for quotas?
The formula for police corruption is:
Supervisors demanding activity “Quotas” = Police Misconduct
Demanding quotas is a federal crime. J-Fed should know this.
Any officer fulfilling a quota is violating the civil rights of citizens.
I suggest that you report any city employee, sworn officer or supervisor who orders you to perform your duties based on a demand for activity “quota” to the Department of Justice.
The law makes it unlawful for State or local law enforcement officers to [engage in a pattern or practice of conduct] that deprives persons of rights protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States. (42 U.S.C. § 14141). The types of conduct covered by this law can include, among other things, excessive force, [discriminatory harassment], [false arrests], coercive sexual conduct, and [unlawful stops, searches or arrests]. In order to be covered by this law, the misconduct must constitute a ["pattern or practice"] -- [it may not simply be an isolated incident].
A supervisor ordering activity is clearly establishing a pattern and practice “quota system” to violate the Constitutional rights of others.
[It is a crime for one or more persons acting under color of law willfully to deprive or conspire to deprive another person of any right protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States.] (18 U.S.C. §§ 241, 242). "Color of law" simply means that the [person doing the act is using power given to him or her by a governmental agency (local, State, or Federal)]. A [law enforcement officer] acts "under color of law" even if he or she is exceeding his or her rightful power. The types of law enforcement misconduct covered by these laws include excessive force, sexual assault, intentional false arrests, or the intentional fabrication of evidence resulting in a loss of liberty to another. Enforcement of these provisions does not require that any racial, religious, or other discriminatory motive existed.
How to File a Complaint with DOJ?
Send written reports naming the Superintendent, the Deputy Superintendent of your bureau and all the way down to the supervisor ordering activity “quotas” to:
Criminal Section
Civil Rights Division
U.S. Department of Justice
P.O. Box 66018
Washington, D.C. 20035-6018
Or
Civil Enforcement
If you would like to file a complaint alleging violations of the Police Misconduct Statute, Title VI, or the OJP Program Statute, you may send a written complaint to:
Coordination and Review Section
Civil Rights Division
U.S. Department of Justice
P.O. Box 66560
Washington, D.C. 20035-6560
The Superintendent publicly and privately has asked police officers to be more aggressive. Being more “aggressive” is another code for violating the Constitutional rights of others. The executive command staff meets every Friday to discuss police activity and demands activity from street commanders. Again, more pressure is being exerted to establish a pattern and practice throughout the department to establish a quota system. Your watch commander or supervisor demanding activity is a “quota.”
Publicly the department says it has not quota system. And yet we have to submit an activity report at check off-roll call with numbers. Do you think we have a quota system?
He wants movers and parkers so give them to him. Go right to the churches and schools on your beat and right everyone picking up the kids that block traffic and at the churches right and tow the parkers on the crosswalks and fire hydrants.Give him what he wants. Bet the demands are over in a couple of days.
who are we kidding quotas have been around for years abd always will be....herrera wasn't wrong anyone who's worked on a tact team knows they are always pressured to make arrest....no matter how full of bullshit some of them are...
I don't know who is asking for 1 mover and 5 parkers, but when I came on the job, a while ago, it was expected of you... of course most didn't exactly come up with that on a daily basis, but tried to average it on a period by period basis. (comes to a book of movers and 5 books of parkers per period) Not much when you consider how much we get paid.
On the other hand, sometimes there is a dry spell, and you don't want to write tickets to every person you stop.
I think when coppers come up with snake eyes EVERY DAY for activity, it only adds to all the stuff making us look bad in the eyes of the public etc.
Everything we do for the Capt. is to insure that he will get his $7500 a month pension and be called "boss" for the rest of his life while he mows his lawn at his summer home on the lake! Has nothing to do with what you were taught in the academy.
The Keesing Bandit says---
Captain Zawis has "Tightypants"?
I think I am getting all flushed.
Now, kees me you fool!!!
Stick your quota up your ass Captain whoever you are. FUCK YOU!!! Iam not doing shit!! Screw you Daley bitch, Stroker, Blagojebitch, and Osama. Can you imagine how screwed we are going to be with these dick heads in office!!! OH MY GOD!!! Hope the Olympic committee has more sense than to have the Olympics in this shit hole!!! Cant wait till iam outta this septic tank. I love to see how much security they will have for the athletes with 5,000 police officer by then. OH Iam sorry 55,000 they way the City handles its numbers.
Provide her with the name, rank and star number of the bosses making such "requests" and threats. See how that goes over.
6/07/2008 05:41:00 AM
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What threat? also, big deal if someone requests something, should we publish your name attached to your goose eggs for activity on a daily basis? along with your PAY for doing nothing ? that might even go over better with the news media and the public.
Your argument is weak
Also 5:43 am your argument is weak also,
writing a ticket to someone violating the law is not violating their rights.
If you are asked to produce some activity, by DOING YOUR JOB, that is not a quota. You are being asked to enforce the law, which is what you are PAID to do...
I do agree a demand for a specific number isn't a good practice, but surely a request to do SOMETHING to justify your paycheck is reasonable, and would be found to be so in court.
hair gel police quit your crying and do the job are you afraid to make a traffic stop? your to lazy to write parking tickets
Mr Mayor hire for civilians to write parking tickets and install traffic cameras and lay off the lazy police officer
I don't know who is asking for 1 mover and 5 parkers, but when I came on the job, a while ago, it was expected of you... of course most didn't exactly come up with that on a daily basis, but tried to average it on a period by period basis. (comes to a book of movers and 5 books of parkers per period) Not much when you consider how much we get paid.
On the other hand, sometimes there is a dry spell, and you don't want to write tickets to every person you stop.
I think when coppers come up with snake eyes EVERY DAY for activity, it only adds to all the stuff making us look bad in the eyes of the public etc.
6/07/2008 07:28:00 AM
When you are running from job to job, being denied lunch, here's your humper!
And while we're on the subject of activity, we're still policing. I haven't seen anyone ignoring the serious calls for police action. We are still riding to the sounds of guns, so to speak.
J.Q. Public is starting to hear this slow down stuff and think we aren't the Police. It's the bullshit we have slowed down on. We don't want to hear them rail on against this or I can see us slowly slipping into the "zero tolerance" enforcement mode. And I for one wouldn't want to see that.
I think when coppers come up with snake eyes EVERY DAY for activity, it only adds to all the stuff making us look bad in the eyes of the public etc.
6/07/2008 07:28:00 AM
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Are you just out of the academy or in the hiring process? The last thing the police care about is the eyes of public for activity. Who gives a fuck if some yuppie is not happy about my parkers or movers.
The man has not a clue how to be the police!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If Terry McQue was still alive he would be running the watch and this idiot would be on midnights where he belongs............ Miss you Terry you were the best boss ever!!!!
Hahahah I wont even do that for the year. Try what you will but when your in a Bid position there isnt anything they can do to you but bounce you around on different cars. I say put it in writing, guess what they wont and cant. I will continue to do NOTHING and love every second of it. This is a job and nothing else, if you guys want to save the world go right ahead but dont come crying to me to buy tickets cause some poor sap stepped on his dick. Now let me take a quick nap while I stay done on this DD for at least an hour. Answer up boys they are calling you on the radio to answer jobs on my beat!!!! Hahahahahaha suckers
If the lITTLE dIck and the department would treat us right this numbers thing would not be an issue. Any working copper knows that.Activity is part of our job and we dont have a problem with that....TREAT US RIGHT AND YOU'LL GET RESULTS.IT'S NOT ROCKET SCIENCE.....WTF!!!
who are we kidding quotas have been around for years abd always will be....herrera wasn't wrong anyone who's worked on a tact team knows they are always pressured to make arrest....no matter how full of bullshit some of them are...
6/07/2008 07:27:00 AM
Apparently the quota system is being resurrected in TRU. The new Lieut has a board up in his office pitting one team against the other. This will only lead to BS arrests (more that usual) and "found guns" to boost the stats. Whats next a points system for arrests?????
Does this also include the curfew quotas that are now being demanded?????????? We have curfew missions and now the pressure is on to write a slew of these bullshit curfews. Writing one if you see one is fine, but a mission is double talk for quota and means negative contact with the community or falsifying documents just to make the Boss happy. CPD Brass are responsible for making the troops go to extremes to meet these quotas, then fuck them when something goes wrong. "Hey, we're down 30 curfews from last year. We need more to meet the index." Sound familiar? That shit is ancient and needs to be stopped immediately!
thats been going on for YEARS in 018. called on the carpet for no 'activity' and told to leave paper if it isnt what they want. Oh, and this activity is only inclusive of traffic and parking enforcement, not arrests, so if you have 30 arrests for the period and no movers/parkers, you still leave paper.
The Superintendent publicly and privately has asked police officers to be more aggressive. Being more “aggressive” is another code for violating the Constitutional rights of others.
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you had me till this part. being aggressive is just going out and doing the proactive police work that we did, PRIOR to the media beating the shit out of all of us for a few bad apples and citizens treating us like we're second class.
The one and only... Captain Tightypants (Zawis). He should have been launched years ago.
6/07/2008 02:57:00 AM
You also forgot that this Captian (Zawiski)is downright meanspirted, unable to have a conversation with a P.O., and is in way over his head when it comes to command.And you can't talk to him as a professional, because you don't rate into his/their club.
Cry Babies. As much as you complain about the liberals in 18 I would think you'd be having a field day wiring these nitwits parkers. Payback. How about pulling some of these bangers with the full tinted windows over and writing them up. No, let's all complain about how much work we have to do. If you were serious I bet you could knock that quota out in about 20 minutes-tops. Then you'd only have to kill the next 8 hours on personals,lunch,gas run,paper reading,chick watching, picking your ass and nose, etc. Only the biggest do nothing dogs find a problem with everything requested of them.
Twenty years ago when every officer actually worked each officer came in with one mover, a few parkers each, a bus check, and maybe a curfew or two.
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k boss...no contract no worky, constant federal beefs no worky...Well guess what this ain't twenty years ago! Crime has been down (including murders) to record lows...lower then 20 years ago and we still have been getting hammered soooooo now no worky
Everything we do for the Capt. is to insure that he will get his $7500 a month pension and be called "boss" for the rest of his life while he mows his lawn at his summer home on the lake! Has nothing to do with what you were taught in the academy.
Study lad and you can be that person on the lake. If not, ask him if he'll pay you twenty dollars to cut the grass and at least you can say you have a place on the lake that you're at three times a month.
06-07-08 0543am
Sir thank you for the information, we must exchange information to fight unjustice.
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The Superintendent publicly and privately has asked police officers to be more aggressive. Being more “aggressive” is another code for violating the Constitutional rights of others. The executive command staff meets every Friday to discuss police activity and demands activity from street commanders. Again, more pressure is being exerted to establish a pattern and practice throughout the department to establish a quota system. Your watch commander or supervisor demanding activity is a “quota.”
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While I am not one to ask officers for activity in the current climate of hatred against the Police Department, I have to take issue with your declaration that asking officers for activity is a quota. It is not. The line is crossed when you declare that you should (ie "must") come in with 5 parkers and a mover on a daily basis, as an example. You now have defined what numbers will be expected from people.
A supervisor who says to his/her people to pick up the activity, without naming numbers, is asking people to do their jobs. Believe it or not, there are too many people who go out and just drive around doing nothing, ignoring movers that occur in front of them, or the drinker walking down the street.
Again, in the current climate, I can understand people being gun shy about not being more aggressive, but that is far different than demanding exact numbers,on a daily basis, with the implication that you will be retaliated against for not coming in with those numbers. Anyone out there will run into several movers every 8 hour tour. It's simply your choice whether or not to pull them over and write them. More often than not, we don't write them, and that's not necessarily wrong either. But to claim that you can come in with no activity because you are not required to obey a quota is wrong.
A good supervisor will always say "Thank You" to the troops for their efforts, including all activity. I know those people are not as prevalent as they used to be, but I am one of them, and I let my people know that I appreciate their efforts. They know that I'm sincere, and they get activity because we understand each other. I don't ask them to go gonzo with activity, just enough to finish somewhere in the middle of the pack and stay off of a big bosses radar screen.
Please, no offense intended, I truly believe everything written here.
Normally I don't back the bosses but C'Mon guys! A mover and five parkers is too much? All you have to do is tvb 1 person a week and you can get five movers at one time then your good for awhile. As for 5 parkers you can do that in 5 minutes. Geeeeez, when I came on (18+ yrs ago) we were expected to do at least that and more. I know manpower is low but c'mon. It always amazes me how some people go out of their way to cut their own throat. This is not a issue to stick together on. Issues like Cozzi and Mette are.
Another ass-hat leaves the first comment! I bet and this is just a maybe, he probably works in the miserable traffic section of this department. Everyone says back in the day this back in the day that, well I worked back then too! Back then bosses stuck up for you, bosses had your back! NOW you would be lucky if there is one out there who would put their cozy office 115,000 dollar a year job on the line, even if you were totally in the right!!! YOU KNOW WHAT I WON'T RIGHT MOVERS IF I DON'T WANT TO, AND YOU KNOW WHAT THERE IS NOTHING YOU SIR CAN DO ABOUT IT! If i feel like it then I will. I put my time in, and will continue to put eight hours in working. However I will not get you movers or curfews, just to make you look good! Really cause you probably didn't deserve to be a Boss anyway. I will work but I will not be a revenue junkie for this department! END OF STORY
Fuck him maybe he could write some tickets! sorry I don't see movers and parkers maybe they are not there! no contract no respect no over and above work simple as that!
06/07 07:28 am If you think the public thinks low of us because we arent writting enough movers or parkers your head is so far up your ass . Im sure you get off writting tickets maybe one day you can work for tma. Make the boss proud tax collector.
1 mover and 5 parkers? Are you kidding me? That's all he wants? That's it? In 018? What else do they have to do? That's about 30 minutes work. Not very hard to do. Some of you should stop whining and start earning your paycheck!
5 parking ticket books a period, are u nuts??????? What a suckhole you must be. When I was on the watch I maybe wrote 300 parkers a year (half of those were for city sticker the first week they could be written in July).
Do u know why I wasn't writing parkers???? I was doing my job!!!! Stopping shitheads in the alley, stopping cars for moving violations (only when its a car full of shitheads), and stopping assholes for suspicious activity. That is what your paid for asshole!!!
I haven't worked the watch in years and have been promoted (by score) because I was the police not a dept of revenue member.
Revenue is why the Fat Man created so many specialized units. The fat man needed police not suckholes. The revenue creators think revenue is police work, its not!!!!
Twenty years ago you were taking $100 bucks a mover..jaggy. "Real police work"..blow that smoke in someone else's ass!!
He wants movers and parkers so give them to him. Go right to the churches and schools on your beat and right everyone picking up the kids that block traffic and at the churches right and tow the parkers on the crosswalks and fire hydrants.Give him what he wants. Bet the demands are over in a couple of days.
6/07/2008 07:14:00 AM
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No, he's going to call you in his office and ream you a new asshole for ticketing these "sensitive" areas and demand that you stop.
The Superintendent publicly and privately has asked police officers to be more aggressive. Being more “aggressive” is another code for violating the Constitutional rights of others. The executive command staff meets every Friday to discuss police activity and demands activity from street commanders. Again, more pressure is being exerted to establish a pattern and practice throughout the department to establish a quota system. Your watch commander or supervisor demanding activity is a “quota.”
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What an idiot windbag you are...No one suggest you fabricate anything or violate anyone's right. If you can't find one mover and a few parkers during an hour hour tour then you're probably yakking on your cell phone to much. It used to be embarrassing to check off with goose eggs, one mover and three parkers were considered the minimum...You guys are just lazy..
do you job its what pays your bills fucking babies
5 parkers WAAAA WAAAA i cant do that in 5 hours WAAAA WAAA
HEY SCC,
SCC when crime rates were down you took all the glory for the troops and wanted a pay raise.
now that crime is up should be take a pay cut ???
no personal responsibilty
Anonymous said...
Twenty years ago when every officer actually worked each officer came in with one mover, a few parkers each, a bus check, and maybe a curfew or two.
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Twenty years ago the police didn't have a Supe who was recruited to aggressively fuck aggressive officers. If Little Dicky wants to get paid he needs to learn to play ball. BTW, I believe SCC has been a major force in getting people together citywide and outing the bullshit that goes on in this department. SCC, keep your head low since I'm sure Dick and 35th.st. are running around in circles trying to figure out how to violate your right to free speech or to find you and put you in the wood chipper!
Anonymous said...
Bitch Bitch Bitch Moan Moan Moan Come on already! To complain about every little thing only undermines your credibility in the real issues. Have you not realized that? Twenty years ago when every officer actually worked
ya 20 years ago you guys were hitting people, stealing, and doing all sorts of crap that we have to deal with now. Thanks. Shut up.
I agree with some of the poster that we should be out there stopping all the knuckleheads that deserve being fu%^ed with. I have a good friend whose 65 year old mother was issued 2 movers in 024...WTF!!! Are you serious when you can give movers to someone who is truly deserving. As for the Tact & Gang team they need to revise the rules and they shouldn't be allowed to lock up drinkers unless they are gang bangers, no bust outs allowed.
along with your PAY for doing nothing ?
they don't pay us to violate civil rights.
Apparently the quota system is being resurrected in TRU. The new Lieut has a board up in his office pitting one team against the other. This will only lead to BS arrests (more that usual) and "found guns" to boost the stats. Whats next a points system for arrests?????
6/07/2008 11:07:00 AM
remeber when the ASA's office got into trouble bec they had competitons based on the poundage of the criminal they convicted!
hahahahaah good times....
While I am not one to ask officers for activity in the current climate of hatred against the Police Department, I have to take issue with your declaration that asking officers for activity is a quota. It is not. The line is crossed when you declare that you should (ie "must")
Soooooo unless the boss says "must" you really don't have to do sh!t then. Just smile and walk away.
just got my fop newsletter, and they reminded me of the GD parade they had on s. ashland ave. NOW go get that activity!! god what scum this county/city is
I do not care what they want. I will NOT generate any revenue for this city. A bus check, a contact card or two... But absolutely NO tickets.
...If you are asked to produce some activity, by DOING YOUR JOB, that is not a quota. You are being asked to enforce the law, which is what you are PAID to do...
I do agree a demand for a specific number isn't a good practice, but surely a request to do SOMETHING to justify your paycheck is reasonable, and would be found to be so in court.
6/07/2008 09:29:00 AM
Thanks for your input "boss." However, I'll continue to police using the new no-complaint policing model.
Like most bosses, you don't realize that the justification for our paychecks are the shit storms that may occur at any time, not the bullshit movers and parkers.
If the tower dwellers moved away from the socialist style of sending a car to every BS call, we would have time for the little things
Now go buff your knee pads.
Crede for president!! 5 homers in 3 days...mercy!!
gotta pay for the olymics!!
OK so the Captain is an idiot. More than not are.
I miss the days of doing an impoundment, and go to the Hearing and make a few extra pesos. Then they took Vehicle Impoundment Hearing away. SOOOOO I stopped doing vehicle impoundments. City was taking in what???? $600.? I was happy taking my 3 hours. That was the begining of the end of Police work for me.
I just answer the Radio calls, arrests are on signed complaints, collect my Event numbers and a few parkers(Handicap and Hydrants) and Im an ALL-STAR!!
Since we cant really define Merit, can we just call an Index a quota?
I was told that indexes are just numbers to shoot for anyway
How to File a Complaint with DOJ?
Send written reports naming the Superintendent, the Deputy Superintendent of your bureau and all the way down to the supervisor ordering activity “quotas” to:
Criminal Section
Civil Rights Division
U.S. Department of Justice
P.O. Box 66018
Washington, D.C. 20035-6018
Or
Civil Enforcement
If you would like to file a complaint alleging violations of the Police Misconduct Statute, Title VI, or the OJP Program Statute, you may send a written complaint to:
Coordination and Review Section
Civil Rights Division
U.S. Department of Justice
P.O. Box 66560
Washington, D.C. 20035-6560
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Things not going your way? Rat out your sgt. Rat to the FBI of all places.
That's the solution! Be a ratfuck like this poster.
God, this blog is like cheese for every rat on this department.
Has police work on this department deteriorated to the point where the officers actually don't know how to do good, proactive, aggressive, and legal police work?
Aggressive police work means you have to lie? It means that you're violating the constitution if you are an aggressive officer?
Its impossible to find reasonable suspicion to stop someone on the street or in a car without lying?
Most posters on this blog are young. I think that these 5 year coppers actually don't know how to do aggressive police work legally. They just assume aggressive police work is illegal. They have been so warped by following the district superstar-moron that they actually don't really know how to do legal, aggressive police work. They are so used to following coppers who sneak around the rules that they never learned how to use the rules to their advantage.
They have been so enthralled by the big numbers chase, the only skilled they've learned is paper jumping. They never learned how to be the police. They have failed to develop any skill in talking to arrestees, or hypes, or hoes, or other street criminals. They are police with no patience. They want numbers.
They're just on a big fishing expedition where the one with the most fish somehow wins.
This department has truly failed its young police officers over the past ten years. Very sad.
who are we kidding quotas have been around for years abd always will be....herrera wasn't wrong anyone who's worked on a tact team knows they are always pressured to make arrest....no matter how full of bullshit some of them are...
6/07/2008 07:27:00 AM
Nice try Keith. Shouldn't you be at the gym or something?
HEY SCC,
SCC when crime rates were down you took all the glory for the troops and wanted a pay raise.
now that crime is up should be take a pay cut ???
no personal responsibilty
And we based our taking credit on what? January numbers of the coldest winter in a decade? Man, the sarcasm sure isn't wasted on you, is it?
Waaaa, Waaaa,Waaaa. All this talk about not wanting to write a few tickets etc, is really going to get us a great contract. Why would the city want to reward do nothings with more money? For doing nothing. I'm glad it's only a few malcontents and I hope they're not the police. At least we know they're not the real police.
Sounds like another Aunt Bea request..imagine, will you get backing if you are fingered for profiling ?
Things not going your way? Rat out your sgt. Rat to the FBI of all places.
That's the solution! Be a ratfuck like this poster.
God, this blog is like cheese for every rat on this department.
6/07/2008 09:05:00 PM
I will rat out every white shirt jagoff it is us vs you and you know what you lose! How u like me know?
one time my sgt. told me i must wear my shoes while in my cruiser. just nod and say yes sir. as soon as he walked away the shoes came off.
but surely a request to do SOMETHING to justify your paycheck is reasonable, and would be found to be so in court.
MR white shirt are you that far removed? I answer upwards of 20 dangerous calls or more along with assists, yet you tell me I'm not doing police work and that those calls coming from citizens VIA the 9-11 system don't matter. Are you out of your mind I can justify my paycheck along with every other patrolmen working a marked vehicle, We don't make enough money for what we do. the white shirts are never in any danger, yet look at the big bucks you guys receive. ME THINKS YOU GOT GUILT.
along with your PAY for doing nothing ?
they don't pay us to violate civil rights.
6/07/2008 07:16:00 PM
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No one wants you to violate civil rights.
JUST MAKE UP CRIME TO HAVE THIS ASSHAT KEEP HIS JOB!The Bosses do nothing foe US so why should we do something for them. Why doesnt he lead by example and hit the streets with us? Just grive it and see what our BS FOP does NOTHING
Holy Cow! I Hit a Home Run with the Boss Batman!!!
Right between the eyes...I got a lot more to say and I ain’t finish with those bosses demanding “activity” (code word for quota).
My suggestion is to anyone out there who reads and understands what I’m trying to achieve here, which is a corruption free work environment were Chicago Police Officers fairly and impartially enforce the law using good common sense and mercy over the citizens they are sworn to serve.
David and his comrades from SOS lost themselves. The newbee bosses and supervisors don’t care how you get the numbers, just get them! Make them LQQK good! Do you think the Superintendent will give you a break? Sure, they encourage “aggressive” (code word for harassing) policing or fabrication of probable cause, or do they? What happens when you don’t get that arrest or ticket they asked for? Are you subject to discrete punishment? Like being taking off the car, separated from a partner, start times changed, or just plain old fucked with?
Do you see any bosses getting demoted, suspended or terminated for their role in the SOS or other scandals? Most of the time they get promoted. You got to ask this question. What the fuck is wrong with this Department? This City? Da Mayor?
Every time a supervisor or boss TELLS you what activity “quota” they expect, it is an order. What are the consequences of that order if you fail to produce? What is the consequences to a boss if you violated a citizen’s Constitutional right. Nothing. It is your ass! If you want change then prepare for battle...
Friends start keeping a journal and write down the supervisor’s name when they demand quotas. Write what they said or how they communicate it, each time, when and where. Write down the names of witnesses. Take photographs. Make a copy of records. Keep track of what happens when someone doesn’t meet their expectations. In your journal, explain how records are maintained and how they are reported. It is extremely easy to prove that the Department maintains a quota system by examining the historical records of each officer, each unit on each watch. Mathematically, this Department would never passed a Federal audit. A handful of creditable witnesses testifying against these morally corrupt, mentally sick bosses who control our dysfunctional police organization...he we might start the beginning of a new era for this Department.
I want to see more bosses go to prison and lose their pensions.
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Are you just out of the academy or in the hiring process? The last thing the police care about is the eyes of public for activity. Who gives a fuck if some yuppie is not happy about my parkers or movers.
6/07/2008 09:51:00 AM
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glad to see you have the same attitude as the SOS and 022 guys who are under indictment right now...
Yup a mover, 5 parkers and a bus check each tour and you could do no wrong.
And to those posters that said thanks for taking a hundred per traffic stop 20 years ago, think again. Didn't happen everywhere; maybe 30 years ago, but not 20. Now, hitting people 20 years ago? um....ya.....maybe... That being said, that was when the gangbangers were afraid of us and got a little 'tune up' when needed. And guess what? They didn't beef, and we had respect. Homie knew the game, and if he came into the lockup with a turban on, so be it. What did that one captain call it? a wooden shampoo?
believe it or not, my sgt told us to hit the street after executing 3 fucking search warrants, all in one 8 hour tour. hit the street he says, I'll call you when its time to come in. can you say bonehead?
ya 20 years ago you guys were hitting people, stealing, and doing all sorts of crap that we have to deal with now. Thanks. Shut up.
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Oh my gosh, we were HITTING people? How terrible. So whats this crap you are dealing with now that we caused? You whiny piece of shit. Go do some work you pussy, if you know how. And for the record, Zawis made more good arrests back then then 99% of the do nothings in 18. So put the fingerless gloves back on, gel up that hair and head up to Division to impress the suburban ladies. Who by the way see through you as well. Grab a Trib and head home. Asshole
NO CONTRACT = NO RESPECT
With the 2016 Olympics looming in the future, CPD unions are in the perfect position to negotiate AND demand a FAIR CONTRACT. Has anyone really paid attention to the proposals the city wants to implement...WHAT A SLAP IN THE FACE...especially to patrol who responds to all the 911 calls.
DISPOSABLE POLICE (blu shirts) is what the new proposals amount to. Those who come on WITH CLOUT are cycled out of patrol ASAP because working patrol will eat you up six (6) days in a row, with weekends coming every 5th week.
It only takes a couple of years to become seasoned by the streets. patrol takes its toll resulting in police suicides, divorce, alcoholism, depression, etc. because 911 calls are humanity at its most evil base existence.
When & how can officers replenish themselves on a six day schedule, with court, with side jobs, probably working afternoons, midnights ... AND THEN the new contract proposals are slapping you in the face for all your efforts inferring you are DISPOSABLE.
patrol officers wear about 20-25 lbs of equipment in a squad car &for their tour of duty getting in/out for 911 calls & on view incidents, traffic stops, etc. AND IT TAKES ITS TOLL. Officers who stay in patrol and do not want anything else SHOULD AT LEAST HAVE A CONTRACT THAT PROVIDES & PROTECTS HIM UNTIL HIS RETIREMENT...GIVING HIM A FULL PENSION ...AFTER 29 1/2 YEARS OF SERVICE.
RESPECT!
Here's what I did for the Department today:
1- Showed up for roll call on time...and sober
2- Didn't get a court deviation
3- Didn't have a supervisor called to the scene of a job because I didn't tell the taxpayer what they wanted to hear
4- Didn't have to have a supervisor fill out a TRR because of a weapon(s) discharge, etc.
5- Didn't bother a supervisor for advice because I couldn't figure out how to handle the "baby daddy" drama in the ghetto
6- Didn't lose a Department radio
7- Didn't crash a Department vehicle
8- Answered all 14+ of my jobs in a timely fashion, and coded or did paper on them that didn't get kicked back for mistakes
9- Didn't get redlined for missing a radio call
10- Didn't get gigged by an Inspector
What i didn't do for the Department today:
1- I sure as hell didn't kiss the boss' ass by bringing in bullshit activity (particularly revenue-generating activity) to stay on a car. My actions as a seasoned veteran alone kept the bosses from hounding me, and from inconvienencing them. Leave me the fuck alone and I promise not to bring discredit to this department; but please don't expect proactive ANYTHING from me - not when the Department rewards incompetent pussies who haven't, nor ever will, pay their dues.
"No one wants you to violate civil rights.
6/07/2008 11:34:00 PM"
Then stop bitchin' about the lack of activity, aka REVENUE.
"Why would the city want to reward do nothings with more money?
6/07/2008 10:22:00 PM"
It won't be a reward, it'll be more like the appropriate bribe paid for services rendered.
'The city' understands that bribery garners results.
You're just pissed that now more and more cops realize that the same rules that the politicians play by can be used by those who are not clouted.
Pony up or fuck off.
Your choice.
"thats been going on for YEARS in 018. called on the carpet for no 'activity' and told to leave paper if it isnt what they want. Oh, and this activity is only inclusive of traffic and parking enforcement, not arrests, so if you have 30 arrests for the period and no movers/parkers, you still leave paper."
COME ON GUY. 30 arrests in a period? IN 018? He or she would likely be a member of the tact team. I don't anybody on days in 018 brings in that much arrest activity in a period, and I'm willing to bet a check of activity would confirm it. How can any of you drive around in 018 daily and NOT see a mover or parker? If you truly feel that what Zawis is requesting it so unreasonable, transfer out. Come South. Skip 021, of course, but transfer in to any of the Districts south of 001.
We have to ask ourselves a couple of questions before we decide to do nothing for the W/C’s
1. Good on time due?
2. Understands we have families?
3. Smart enough to HELP you if you need it?
4. Not looking to get promoted?
5. Once was the working police?
I say if you can answer “yes” to all of the above due the minimum.
If you answer “no” to any question do nothing at all.
God bless and stay safe.
Mr. SouthSide says---
Maybe Capt. Tightypants could make every Starbucks in 018 "off limits". The officers will have nothing to do and nowhere to go. Maybe then they will write tickets.
Holy Failure to Communicate Batman!!!
Mark and Greg,
During contract negotiations how about giving us a letter of understanding that NO supervisor will request any member to fulfill any quota or take an adverse action against any member who refuses to violate the Constitutional rights of citizens in order to achieve activity requirements of their units determined by commanding officers.
Meanwhile, keep that journal going, find a lawyer who specializes in Hostile work environmental lawsuits, when ready get that C.R. number don’t forget to file a complaint with the EEOC officer.
Keep up the great work! Keep you chin up! And together we can root out the corruption plaguing the Department from the Da Mayor’s office down to your supervisor.
Anonymous said...
Has police work on this department deteriorated to the point where the officers actually don't know how to do good, proactive, aggressive, and legal police work?
Aggressive police work means you have to lie? It means that you're violating the constitution if you are an aggressive officer?
This is the result of a failed FTO program. PO's with bad attitudes teaching young PPO's results in this current mess. The only major department with a horrible FTO program. Lack of leadership at 35th street who do not understand the absolute essential program to mentor brand new PPO's on the street. They only see bodies to fill details.
No Contract=No Work...plain and simple.
As a Lt. in patrol who firmly believes that my job is to take care of the people on my watch I am becoming more and more disgusted each time I read this blog. I have gone out on a limb on numerous occasions to back people up. Not just when they are right but when I know that their intention was to do the right thing. Policemen make mistakes and it is my job to make sure that they are not hurt by those mistakes. Time due is always granted unless there are extraordinary circumstances that prevent me from authorizing it. Good work is rewarded and the watch is well taken care of. I made all my promotions off the tests and have been in patrol for all my 15 years as a supervisor. I doubt i will be leaving patrol at any time prior to retirement because I do not play the game that is required to be promoted above Lt. or to get into a specialized unit. That being said I am beginning to wonder why I have put the policeman on the watch first. It certainly isn't appreciated. Instead all bosses are continuously being motherfucked by those that I have put my job on the line to assist. My reputation of not giving in to pressure from the brass has held me back yet I have always taken pride in the fact that I have not compromised myself. I am seriously considering a change in attitude. Maybe it is time to put myself first. I am sure I am not the only boss out there with respect for the working police who is feeling this way. What you whiny little pussies are accomplishing is to turn the good bosses into pricks. Hope you are happy with the results.
westside, inside do-nothing said...
Here's what I did for the Department today:
You have finally said something I totally agree with.
Just watched a old episode of COPS and I just realized something. It was in Buffalo New York, while the camera crews were responding to jobs with officers I noticed something odd. It was white shirts doing police work right along blue shirts. That's right lieutenants backing officers on calls and helping take bad guys to the ground and hand cuffing them. I know we have "GHOST" field lieutenants that are rarely seen but when was the last time a white shirt assisted you with a arrest? I can remember 2 times in 16 yrs and they happened in the early 90's. I suggest if numbers are down it is time for sgt.'s to sign out mover and parker books and for lt's and exempt to start answering and assisting beat cars on calls. Enough of blue shirts taking the fall to fulfill your quotas. As Col. Jessip would say "I suggest you pick up a weapon and man a beat car,other than that I don't care want to think you deserve(5 parkers and 1 mover) mr. WC!!
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6/07/2008 11:38:00 PM
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These are this poster's friends. He likes them. He wants to serve them. All these self-serving-police-hating organizations. They've done more harm to working police officers than all the criminals in the world. He wants to submit to them.
Careful, careful on this job. Always remember to watch out for rats, rats, and more rats. They're everywhere on this department, but they're easy to find if you listen carefully.
believe it or not, my sgt told us to hit the street after executing 3 fucking search warrants, all in one 8 hour tour. hit the street he says, I'll call you when its time to come in. can you say bonehead?
6/08/2008 01:19:00 AM
why anybody works tac is beyond me. just to wear jeans and a full 8. only people that work tac now is two- five year wonders.
They have been so enthralled by the big numbers chase, the only skilled they've learned is paper jumping. They never learned how to be the police. They have failed to develop any skill in talking to arrestees, or hypes, or hoes, or other street criminals. They are police with no patience. They want numbers.
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I agree with you, i'm a young copper and i know it is a necessity to talk to the gang bangers, hypes, etc. I was lucky enough to work with some great old timers (ie 20+ years).
Most young coppers are totally oblivious when it comes to knowing the players and building cases.
anonymous said...
believe it or not, my sgt told us to hit the street after executing 3 fucking search warrants, all in one 8 hour tour. hit the street he says, I'll call you when its time to come in. can you say bonehead?
6/08/2008 01:19:00 AM
Yeah, right.
"No one wants you to violate civil rights.
6/07/2008 11:34:00 PM"
Then stop bitchin' about the lack of activity, aka REVENUE.
6/08/2008 05:26:00 AM
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I am not and don't bitch about lack of activity. I figure there is plenty of it just as a result of answering calls for service, and I know there is not much time between calls to get to do other stuff.... I don't know who is "demanding" more activity.
I know that demanding activity may result in overzealousness by officers - and then to some of the problems as highlighted by Herrera on that tv show, and that isn't the only way that coppers get in trouble trying to please the bosses... it is too bad that some bosses don't realize the effect of their words on the rank and file, and try to watch what they say and how they say it. It is a problem that has existed for much longer than I have been on the job...
To 0722 A.M
The answer's to your question's considering Capt Rotten Zawis are all NO! Fucked over more people with family's, then any other jag on this job. McQue never had to ask for movers more than once, and sure never had to threaten anyone.
"Demanding" is the key word! Get FLOP involved!
A lot of you know nothing about Capt. Randy Zawis. Randy made plenty of good arrests in his day back in 004 tact. He and his partner rose through the ranks.
Randy bacame a Capt. His partner became a Deputy Chief. Many of the posters here couldn't wipe the sweat off a tact man's balls. A few of the people Zawis used to work with back in his 004 tact days that have moved up through the ranks:
James Jackson 1st Deputy Supt
Daniel Dugan Deputy Chief
Michael Kuemmeth Commander
John Franklin Commander
Kenneth Johnson Capt/003
Sgt. James O"Hara Lt./retired
Peter Piazza Lt./Narcotics
Jimmy Baker Sgt/A2
Fred Buchanan Sgt/A2
Karen Brozynski Sgt/recent ret.
Say what you will, all of the people mentioned above were the real police back in the day. Zawis was no different. And none of them would have ever come in from a day, afternoon or night of patrol with ZEROES. They all worked hard every day (some harder than others). Whine all you want, hard work paid off for all of them.
Some of us still here in 004 remember them well. When the streets were busy, we were glad to see them out there. They took a ton of bad guys off the streets.
Has police work on this department deteriorated to the point where the officers actually don't know how to do good, proactive, aggressive, and legal police work?
Coppers know how to do good,proactive,aggressive, and legal police work....the problem is that coppers can end up with a CR and a shit storm doing good,proactive,agressive, and legal police work because the other side doesn't have to play by the rules and the higher ups in the department are too chicken shit to call bullshit..........
The FOP sold us all a scam with that last deal re: retirement. It was supposed to be 80% but MD got nudged in the middle of the night by RMD and was ordered to scrap the 80% and since most of the CPD was under 10 years tossed us another 1/2 % And told to shut up! We were told if we got Lisa Madigan elected it was a done deal!Blagojevich promised if it came before him he would sign it. So we will continue to be the oldest PD in the nation. Years from now we will all be the "dinosaurs and old timers!" The pension board keeps peddling their same crap and the city refuses to fully fund the pension. Its like the good cop/bad cop routine and we're the goofs in the middle!
It won't be a reward, it'll be more like the appropriate bribe paid for services rendered.
'The city' understands that bribery garners results.
You're just pissed that now more and more cops realize that the same rules that the politicians play by can be used by those who are not clouted.
Pony up or fuck off.
Your choice.
6/08/2008 05:33:00 AM
Ultimately, the choice is not our own but that of the Maker. In these critical situations, it is helpful for one to reflect by reading passages from scripture and then ask aloud in a clear and confident voice:
"What would Jesus do -- pony up or fuck off?"
Holy KISS MY ASS Batman!!!
I rather eat cheese then be a whore for some boss on this Department. Any of you mindless turds sucking up for a spot, YOUR THE RAT NOW! MUTHERFUCKER!
Everbody talks tough here until their slip is denied! Strength and Honor? Go the bathhouse and bend over! Take it like a .......baaaaaaahhhhhhh
Lt./Capt. McQ was a great boss. He also had an army of footmen who did what they had to do to keep their spots. We all know what happened to those day footmen in 018 on days....just like the dinosaur, all just about gone.
Replaced by TMAs. So you really can't compare McQ to Zawis. If McQ were around today (God rest his soul) he'd be pulling his hair out about you day watch whiners! And many of you would be on this blog, bashing him about as you do Zawis now. Have to agree with the Lt. who posted here a little while ago on this thread...most coppers today wouldn't know or appreciate a good boss. You'll whine here and you'll name call Zawis, but we all know that tomorrow you'll still be driving in from 016 and 008 in your gas guzzlers to do practically nothing all day on 2nd watch in 018, because you wouldn't have it any other way.
5:20 PM
Nice try, Captain Tightypants.
TERRY MC CUE IS MORE OF A REAL POLICEMAN IN HIS GRAVE THAN RANDY FUCKING ZAWIS IS AND EVER FUCKING WAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BACK TO BEING A FILLMORE RANGER!!!!!!!!!
Everything we do for the Capt. is to insure that he will get his $7500 a month pension and be called "boss" for the rest of his life while he mows his lawn at his summer home on the lake! Has nothing to do with what you were taught in the academy.
Study lad and you can be that person on the lake. If not, ask him if he'll pay you twenty dollars to cut the grass and at least you can say you have a place on the lake that you're at three times a month
$25 and its a deal! You're the boss boss!
Deputy Chief Eugene Williams came from 004 tact as well. He was a good tact Sgt. back in the day. Most recently, Duane De Vries (Sgt., 004 tact) was promoted to Lt. last year, and works in Gresham. Lots of good coppers moved up and out of that unit.
James Jackson 1st Deputy Supt
Daniel Dugan Deputy Chief
Michael Kuemmeth Commander
John Franklin Commander
Kenneth Johnson Capt/003
Sgt. James O"Hara Lt./retired
Peter Piazza Lt./Narcotics
Jimmy Baker Sgt/A2
Fred Buchanan Sgt/A2
Karen Brozynski Sgt/recent ret.
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to include Brozynski on this list insults everyone else on it as well as all of the other 4 tact alumni who have gone on to better things in other units/districts. She retired still looking for the first arrest that a partner didn't lead her to.
"Ultimately, the choice is not our own but that of the Maker. In these critical situations, it is helpful for one to reflect by reading passages from scripture and then ask aloud in a clear and confident voice:
"What would Jesus do -- pony up or fuck off?"
6/08/2008 06:18:00 PM"
So now Daley is the same as Jesus?
Maybe to you he is.
"Study lad and you can be that person on the lake." - 11:33 PM
Study, my ass, you arrogant, sanctimonious prick. As if promotions in the CPD are actually legit. Take you and your clout and go fuck yourselves.
To:
6/08/2008 05:20:00 PM
ok, ok I'll leave a copy of your post of how great the Captain is.
That way, he'll continue to keep your useless wife at Navy Pier
NorthSide said...
"Study lad and you can be that person on the lake." - 11:33 PM
Study, my ass, you arrogant, sanctimonious prick. As if promotions in the CPD are actually legit. Take you and your clout and go fuck yourselves.
6/09/2008 02:25:00 AM
Right on Northside! So tired of these "humble observations" from the chosen few! Most are baptized at birth and guided through the system. Used to be shipped to 11th State to prepare them for the "body snatching!" Then comes the, "just study harder lad!" Phony, arrogant chumps who try to convince all that they "came up through the ranks!"
I was downtown taking a stroll after eating dinner in 018 with a girl....she got a parker on her vehicle......now she got it at 0100hrs. I called the station to arrange a meet with this p.o. who works in the entertainment section of 018, what ever the fuck that is. i talked to an awesome girl who was working the desk and tried to get a hold of the p.o. who was still working,i left my cell number, and waited....nothing...... the p.o. from the desk calls me back and says the FEMALE P.O. WHO WROTE THE TICKET aleady TURNED IT IN????? now mind you she works until 0500hrs and it was 0200hrs when she said that. unfuckingbelieveable....and for those of you that might say im a jagoff for wanting a p.o. to take care of the ticket and the stfu and pay the ticket comments.....go fuck yourselves in advance.....because i for one have never nor will ever fuck over another copper no matter what..............how about a little professional courtesy....she wouldnt even come to meet me!! I've done more for the illegal aliens on my beat.
NorthSide said...
"Study lad and you can be that person on the lake." - 11:33 PM
Study, my ass, you arrogant, sanctimonious prick. As if promotions in the CPD are actually legit. Take you and your clout and go fuck yourselves.
6/09/2008 02:25:00 AM
+1
So now Daley is the same as Jesus?
Maybe to you he is.
6/09/2008 01:30:00 AM
If you say so, Yoda.
Keep up the good (NON) work fellas! We must be getting to them. We now have the "BOSSES" on here telling us "whining pussies" how much they do for us. lol! With all "due respect" LT., FUCK YOU! Patrolmen have been making you lazy ass, ass kissin, clout heavy, nepotism bosses look good for DECADES! Spare me with your threats of what you may start doing to us. lol. Ever hear of the contract, DOJ and EEOC? Study that "BOSS"! I'm chomping at the bit to have some "BOSS" fuck with me over what he/she perceives as not living up to his/her "QUOTA"!
Maybe if you "BOSSES" didn't constantly fuck with the backbone of this department for no fucking reason except to get your little hard ons showing us who's in charge, maybe our work ethics would be better, "BOSS".
Like we don't know that there are still a FEW stand up supervisors on this job. Makes me wonder how you passed the tests if you think we don't know that. It's the vast MAJORITY of the shit, incompetent "BOSSES" on this deptartment, we're talking about on here! Now go butter you bars "louie" and stay of our blog if you don't like it!
"If you say so, Yoda.
6/09/2008 01:09:00 PM"
You did say so.
Anonymous said...
I was downtown taking a stroll after eating dinner in 018 with a girl....she got a parker on her vehicle......now she got it at 0100hrs. I called the station to arrange a meet with this p.o. who works in the entertainment section of 018, what ever the fuck that is. i talked to an awesome girl who was working the desk and tried to get a hold of the p.o. who was still working,i left my cell number, and waited....nothing...... the p.o. from the desk calls me back and says the FEMALE P.O. WHO WROTE THE TICKET aleady TURNED IT IN????? now mind you she works until 0500hrs and it was 0200hrs when she said that. unfuckingbelieveable....and for those of you that might say im a jagoff for wanting a p.o. to take care of the ticket and the stfu and pay the ticket comments.....go fuck yourselves in advance.....because i for one have never nor will ever fuck over another copper no matter what..............how about a little professional courtesy....she wouldnt even come to meet me!! I've done more for the illegal aliens on my beat.
6/09/2008 12:06:00 PM
pay the ticket. don't expect a copper to take a day for you. you know what i'm talking about.
"pay the ticket. don't expect a copper to take a day for you. you know what i'm talking about.
6/09/2008 08:37:00 PM"
Contest the ticket, on every ground you can imagine.
Challenge the truthfulness, factuality and inconsistencies, if any.
Make the city hearing 'officers' work for their pay.
You did say so.
6/09/2008 06:10:00 PM
You said what??
Anonymous said...
I was downtown taking a stroll after eating dinner in 018 with a girl....she got a parker on her vehicle......now she got it at 0100hrs. I called the station to arrange a meet with this p.o. who works in the entertainment section of 018, what ever the fuck that is. i talked to an awesome girl who was working the desk and tried to get a hold of the p.o. who was still working,i left my cell number, and waited....nothing...... the p.o. from the desk calls me back and says the FEMALE P.O. WHO WROTE THE TICKET aleady TURNED IT IN????? now mind you she works until 0500hrs and it was 0200hrs when she said that. unfuckingbelieveable....and for those of you that might say im a jagoff for wanting a p.o. to take care of the ticket and the stfu and pay the ticket comments.....go fuck yourselves in advance.....because i for one have never nor will ever fuck over another copper no matter what..............how about a little professional courtesy....she wouldnt even come to meet me!! I've done more for the illegal aliens on my beat.
6/09/2008 12:06:00
I fail to see how the female copper was fucking over a copper? Your lady is not a copper. Right?Besides, if the lady had parked legally, the ticket would not have ever happened. Be a big man, take it and pay it, and let the lady think you are connected. Simple.
And you know what 6/09/2008 08:37:00 PM is talking about. Save yourself some grief and save the female copper even more grief. Just pay it.
I've worked for this Captain before and he's a good boss. The bad thing about this slowdown is that it gives the do nothing pussies on this job justification for being do nothing pussies. They will always be like that even if they are working under the best conditions.
to include Brozynski on this list insults everyone else on it as well as all of the other 4 tact alumni who have gone on to better things in other units/districts. She retired still looking for the first arrest that a partner didn't lead her to.
Karen did more work than most of the men in 004 during her time there as a PO. Lots of do nothing bums on this job, and most are, unfortunately, male.
Anonymous said...
I've worked for this Captain before and he's a good boss. The bad thing about this slowdown is that it gives the do nothing pussies on this job justification for being do nothing pussies. They will always be like that even if they are working under the best conditions.
6/10/2008 12:59:00 PM
In a nutshell, well said brother. I think they also blame their girth (50-100 lbs), as a disease now.
Lots of do nothing bums on this job, and most are, unfortunately, male.
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I have to admit, I have noticed all the female po's who are kicking ass on desks, caps offices, cubicles downtown, and other such dangerous places. There are some very good aggressive female po's on the job, but if you did a study on the numbers of women working inside relative to their total representation on the job, you would find that the numbers are out of whack. Yes there are dog ass males on the job, but looked at correctly, the numbers do not back your statement of "most of them are male". Oh yea as long as we're crunching numbers, lets do a study of the total of days on the medical using the same criteria; total of hours versus numbers of either gender on the job. Again, skewed to women, and in a bad way. And don't forget to include the ever popular "recovery time following pregnancy" which seems a lot longer for po's than for anyone in the private sector.
What next?CALEA??
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