Impaired?
Lots of rumors floating around concerning intoxication vs. impairment. It looks like the City wants to negotiate a clause that will allow them not only to random drug test, but to random alcohol test.
We're imagining the mayor is going to want a zero-tolerance stance, and we see the City pushing hard for this given the number of incidents involving off duty drinking. We imagine if you register even the slightest trace of alcohol, you're going to catch a SPAR unless you can prove it's cough syrup. If you test at the impairment threshold (currently rumored to be .04), you're going to be subject to a bit more intensive discipline.
The old days are gone folks. Behavior will be altered or else.
UPDATE: Some comments are understanding the above to mean "testing off-duty." Sorry if we were unclear. The majority of what we're hearing is about an alcohol test administered like a dope test - right after roll call at HQ trying to catch you coming into work tipsy.
We're still waiting to see them attempt to administer discipline for off duty intoxication that doesn't involve any other infraction (i.e. no driving, no fighting, etc.) We know there are a few cases pending somewhere, and if they come down as disciplinary in nature, the copper involved ought to find a lawyer to take down the entire Rules & Regulations as an unlawful infringement on his or her rights as a citizen.
We're imagining the mayor is going to want a zero-tolerance stance, and we see the City pushing hard for this given the number of incidents involving off duty drinking. We imagine if you register even the slightest trace of alcohol, you're going to catch a SPAR unless you can prove it's cough syrup. If you test at the impairment threshold (currently rumored to be .04), you're going to be subject to a bit more intensive discipline.
The old days are gone folks. Behavior will be altered or else.
UPDATE: Some comments are understanding the above to mean "testing off-duty." Sorry if we were unclear. The majority of what we're hearing is about an alcohol test administered like a dope test - right after roll call at HQ trying to catch you coming into work tipsy.
We're still waiting to see them attempt to administer discipline for off duty intoxication that doesn't involve any other infraction (i.e. no driving, no fighting, etc.) We know there are a few cases pending somewhere, and if they come down as disciplinary in nature, the copper involved ought to find a lawyer to take down the entire Rules & Regulations as an unlawful infringement on his or her rights as a citizen.
Labels: rumors
posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
61 Comments:
Can we then pass this onto the public as well. Of .04 walking down the street.
I WOULD GIVE UP THAT RIGHT 4
BEING ABLE TO IGNORE ALL RULES WHILE IM OFF DUTY.
I WONT ENFORCE OR TRY TO STOP ANY CRIME! ILL DO LIKE EVERYONE ELSE PULL OUT MY CELL AND TAKES SOME PICS 4 UTUBE.
LET ME GUESS WHATS NEXT I CANT HAVE MY WEAPON ON WHEN IM OFF DUTY. DAT WOULD SAVE THE CITY MILLIONS B CUZ NO ONE WOULD DO ANYTHING!
I'm all for it...Little Richie and Queen Maggie first. Have you seen these two in action? Oh, I forgot, they have "drivers."
the fire department already tests randomly for alcohol since last contract-- you knew it was coming. do your cocktailing in your basement and don't open the door for anyone.
try it! i'm getting a lawyer and filing a lawsuit against the city so big that daley won't know what hit him. i'm off duty minding my own business, not breaking any laws and a .04 is going to get me a cr# or worse. that's less than 2 beers or the equivelant of 1 mixed drink. Go FUCK YOURSELF JODY AND MAYOR DALEY. FUCK THE OLYMPICS COMING TO CHICAGO TOO. IT AINT HAPPENING YOU GOOF!@
i'm sorry, where is our union on this one. duh, the same place they are on our contract. embarassing to say the least.
Again, the department punishing everybody for a few idiots. This obviously goes for drinking a couple drinks off duty, it went for the kell flashlights, it went for vehicle pursuits and crashes, etc. I am so so sick of this departments bullshit. I honestly don't enjoy being a Chicago Police Officer anymore.
WOW, this sucks! That 2 or 3 glasses of RED that I have before
I come in to work those afternoons
could get me canned. Here I thought
Im gaining points w/downtown by keeping my veins clear; I wonder how that non-alcholic shit tastes?
I was a happy paisan when this was truly an Irish PD.................
We only have each other, remember that! Bleed blue.
P.S. Fuck the Cubs
As previously stated we as public servants must submit to random drug/alcohol testing. Than as a whole and unified group we must also demand the same of our aldermen,politicians, and our mayor!!! in the past, back in the late 80's I personally used to "party" with our illustrious aldermen and politicians! Test them also. what's good enough for us measly public servants should be the same for those that are on the other side of "public" service also! Where can we as the citizens of once a great thriving city can we collectivly enact this order. It should be that what ever they vote for C.P.D should mirror our untouchable, do nothing, thieving, unethical corrupted, overpaid thieving aldermen. Anyone out there Know how can a poor, uneducated, ignoramus poor but tired citizen do or enact a law to change for EQUALITY mirror law. "I.E" their raises= cpd too. their pensions should also = cpd, their drug test policy should = cpd. why not?
Man, I'm fucked up!!! I hope I remember to turn in my radio after I check off with all zeros.
Cough syrup? You're joking, right? jack Daniels cough syrup is the favored brand I guess.
Zero tolerance is OK with me. I hope that goes for supervisors too. Anyone who argues otherwise is an idiot.
Holy FUCK EM Batman!!!
I look forward to my first report to Department of Justice. The Mayor, Alderman and Superintendent will be first on the Names List. How dare they force me to violate the Constitutional rights of the citizens of this great city.
How dare they demand quotas for making arrests or search warrants? Writing tickets? Contact cards and Curfews? What is this high school?
How dare they violate my Constitutional Rights to drink illegally.
Ready to testify to congress about the blue conspiracy?
Uncle Al. Brother Jesse we need your help!
Amendment XVIII (the Eighteenth Amendment ) of the United States Constitution , along with the Volstead Act (which defined "intoxicating liquors" excluding those used for religious purposes and sales throughout the U.S.), established Prohibition in the United States . Its ratification was certified on January 29 , 1919
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Looks like chicago is bringing this back for it's Police
Where are our rights???
Ladies and Gents in Blue. The medical was created for this. I have met very few officers on this job who didn't take a DOD sometime in their career. No one can tell you that you have to go to work. I don't drink alot. That being said I have been really hungover before on reported for duty. The new policy is telling me to hit the medical. I will do that and I suggest everyone else do the same.
The little dictator hates us, hate him back!!!! NO REVENUE!!!!! The mayor doesn't want you to lock anybody up. He wants parkers and movers!!!! Don't give the little asshole either!!!!!
I heard a rumor not long ago that the Mayor thinks were in slowdown because we don't have a contract. The midget shows you that he does not know how to read the pulse of the dept. The contract upsets us but under no circumstances is that the major reason for the lack of activity.
The mayor only uses the theory X style of management. He is a dummycrat. He is better than you and he knows whats best for you.
Keep voting dummycrat and you will reap what you sew!!!! I'll be voting straight republican.
why not check the troops, they are costing us alot being drunk alot of people are making money, we get screw by our own.
Who will conduct the tests? Incompetent white shirts scared of their job? Rather than take a chance to help anyone, lts and Capt's will strip anyone with alcohol on their breath. At least with urine test there is a court tested, established protocol. Alcohol policy is non-existent. Breathylizer is designed for one thing: Driving. Not walking. Results are determined by the white shirt. How many are trained to detect impairment besides the smell of alcohol? This is really an extreme reaction to a internal problem of alcoholism. Do not paint all sworn as abusers of alcohol. OH, the humanity of idiot leaders.
I could care less....I dont drink and I dont go out in this shithole of a city.
They cant make me bring in numbers and if they do ITS EEOC TIME!
FOP should be renamed FOBD meaning
Fools Owned By Daley.
To all you macho working coppers...I wont give a dime to your 10-1 party. We are finally getting to them. And whats the rumor...go ticket the Police where thay live. WOW BFD.
How about give us good contract and then lay down the law. You have beat me down so bad that I couldnt care less what you do. All I want to do is retire and get away from this shameful shithole of a city.
You got what you wanted oh great political democratic machine of chitcago...now deal with it. I predict mayor nutsack (daley) will be screaming for Police work when the end of summer killings go through the cieling.
Answer your calls and thats it. If you really like a boss explain to him/her that its not personal. You are tired of being treated like shit from this department and this is your stand.
UNITED WE STAND!
Carry around a bottle of Nyquil with you. Kinda like a drop gun but its a bottle.
Random alcohol testing is fine with me......as long as it is done while we're on duty.
When I'm off duty, leave me alone.
If I blow up the neighbor's garage, then you can do your thing.
Sometimes a few beers or martinis is just what the doctor ordered after dealing with the scum of the earth.
Doesn't mean I'm an alcoholic just cuz I enjoy an occasional brain warming.
Cheers!
Is the Mayor exempt from the drug/alcohol tests?
I wonder where the Unions are when stuff like this happens... Do the unions really do anyone any good??
We John McCain as President just to keep up the possibility of jailing Daley and company.
Obama will have all the evidence put in the dumpster.
thats fine i will agree with the drinking policy if.......we get the following checks
UNIFORM ALLOWANCE. 1800
DUTY AVAILABILITY. 2400
HOUSING STIPEND. 3000
NO DRINKING STIPEND 5000
this would be a small price to pay for the city. in my opinion there are about 10,000 of us. and at 5k a piece it would cost the city 50 million to prevent us from drinking. thats merely one lawsuit that could reach 50 million....i would agree to not drink outside for 5k a year. thats over 400 a month....thats like a side job. Im not like some of these coppers that run for the bottle to relieve their problems....i go home to my family and enjoy time with them.
Like another poster stated we need to test all the drunken alderman and of course the "village idiot" daley! What fun and the fairness we would realize, like daleys cousin the drunken judge mcginnis lets be for fair testing! But then again the alderidiots carry guns but never qualify so I guess anything for them is out!
Cop got in a fight on Devon. Assailants fled. Female Lieut made him blow. He gone. Self defense cost him a trip to call back. Supervixor gets brownie points. Nurenburg defense, Just following orders.
Well thanks for the update...
Anonymous said...
As previously stated we as public servants must submit to random drug/alcohol testing.
Says who? -
Better check-up on your Bill of Rights buck-o
I have no problem blowing .000 when I come to work. As far as off duty, if I'm required to remain sober because I'm a police officer, I want my time and 1/2 for the 16 hours I'm "off" duty but still can't live like a regular citizen.
We're imagining the mayor is going to want a zero-tolerance stance, and we see the City pushing hard for this given the number of incidents involving off duty drinking.
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Lift residency and you have a deal!
Can anyone tell me what my BAC would be if I was out drinking (Ok lets face it, drunk) the night before and get the dreaded slip on the 3rd watch the next day?
Serously, any braniacs know what ball park I'm in?
Whoa, that's not fair to the warriors on the Entertainment Detail. I take great pride in showing up to work "sober" and then sipping a cold "ice tea" at the Viagra Triangle. If they start testing everybody, who will I share my drunk-ass-grabbing-out-of-state-and-busted-but-my-clout-took-care-of-me war stories with?
Alcohol testing is coming, heard it myself over a month ago when I got called for my "random drug". Specimen collector stated that .04 will be the limit in new contract. They are hoping to catch those who come to work with alcohol in the system. That's why you have to go as soon as you report. They figure if you have alcohol in your system two hours before work you will be consisdered a "problem child" that needs watching. Then they will call you in a couple of days later to see if you have alcohol in your system again.......Watch out weekend warriors who work second watch......or maybe 1st watch who have a couple belts will watching jr play baseball...and then take a quick nap before work.....
Heard Barak Osama Hussein Obama is a total chain-smoker, but hides it in public like a pussy,but is now smoking in public taxpayer paid for vehicles, bodyguarded tint-windowed limos, and public buildings. Typical do as I say, not as I do DummycRATS.
I have a right to beer arms and a left to beer arms and a 12 pack of beer. I'm armed to the teeth in beer. You take that from me and I'll just buy more beer with my arms. Point 4 in one eye and point 4 in the other still adds up to point eight.
woo, who snuck that shot in there? kinda stings, but gooood.
SKOAL!!!
"He wants parkers and movers!!!! Don't give the little asshole either!!!!!"
Give him parkers and movers, on city/county vehicles/employees ONLY.
There's a web site that lists the names, positions and salaries of all county workers, (I don't know if there's also one for city workers). Anyone have the link?
"Do the unions really do anyone any good??
6/08/2008 09:33:00 AM"
A Union, any union, is only as strong as it's membership is united.
Unite a be strong.
Allow yourselves to remain divided, continue to look to the 'leadership' for direction, and you remain impotent.
This site has done more in the last six months to unite membership than the FOP has done in decades.
Don't waste this; savor it, appreciate it and increase it, until only the feeble-minded remain loyal to the Stuttering Prick and his clan.
Wouldn't that be ironic, that the CPD brings this mumbling moron to his knees?
BIG effort being made by City negotiators to get the Lieutenants and sergeants unions to accept alcohol testing. If those unions accept the policy, then the city will come after FOP, saying that other unions have accepted it.
Was Chalkey "HBD"? Inquiring minds want to know
What happens when we refuse their blood tests. Are they going to call in the SOS or TRU or someother other unit with big burley coppers to hold us down and someone will insert a needle to extract blood. And if we fight back from being assaulted? Great Image.
J-Fed,
It’s a nice day! Come out to Clearing and we’ll sit out in the yard and have five or six Margaritas... The way I make them! When your all fucked up you can have your driver take you home. You won’t even have to blow! (At least not on a breathalyzer…)
why is everyone worried about the police drinking off duty? if you are over 21 you have the right to drink, period. have any of these "policymakers" seen the mass public intoxication of the do-gooder yuppies in wrigleyville not only during baseball season but now year-round? or the drunken well-to-do suburbanites driving home shitfaced after a blackhawks or bulls game? or how about plastered sox fans stumbling home to their trailer park for a post-game "jump" with their next door neighbor/cousin? bottom line is this: go out and get as drunk as you want. if shit happens, you are responsible. very simple. in this era of big brother watching everybody's every move, to THE MAN i say, FUCK YOU! And i will definitely drink my ass off to that. cheers and may you all stay safe.
Anonymous said...
the fire department already tests randomly for alcohol since last contract-- you knew it was coming. do your cocktailing in your basement and don't open the door for anyone.
6/08/2008 12:51:00 AM
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I've gone to scenes where the Fire Chief was loaded, and treated all policemen on scene like shit. I was a rookie then, and the way he treated those coppers who he came in contact with should've locked his ass up. What a Prick!
Anonymous said...
What happens when we refuse their blood tests. Are they going to call in the SOS or TRU or someother other unit with big burley coppers to hold us down and someone will insert a needle to extract blood. And if we fight back from being assaulted? Great Image.
6/08/2008 05:30:00 PM
Big burley coppers? What are those? SOS is gone, TRU is almost gone except for the females. Blood test are not used unless dribing a vehicle. Now go back into the basement apartment.
Anonymous said...
Can anyone tell me what my BAC would be if I was out drinking (Ok lets face it, drunk) the night before and get the dreaded slip on the 3rd watch the next day?
Serously, any braniacs know what ball park I'm in?
6/08/2008 12:49:00 PM
Burn off rate on the average is 0.015 per hour. Males need 60 minutes to burn off one beer. Females need 90 minutes. This is a very general average. I hope this helps.
Can we drink on our unpaid half hour lunch as long as our BAC level does not get to .04?
Maybe section 8 should get this test...How about alderman??? Nahh just the stupid cops
Can anyone tell me what my BAC would be if I was out drinking (Ok lets face it, drunk) the night before and get the dreaded slip on the 3rd watch the next day?
Serously, any braniacs know what ball park I'm in?
Your liver will metabolize approximately 1 ounce of alcohol per hour. You do the math
Im gonna drink to .04, turn myself in, get processed, and sue the crap out of the shitty!
What if it's against my religion to be sober?
The Keesing Bandit says---
"Big burly coppers to hold you dowm..."
The answer to my dreams. Where do I sign up?
Now, kees me you fool!!!
Mr. SouthSide says---
Going to a Sox game.
Stumbling home to the trailer park.
Getting a jump from your next door neighbor/cousin.
Sounds like a perfect night to me.
Cop got in a fight on Devon. Assailants fled. Female Lieut made him blow. He gone. Self defense cost him a trip to call back. Supervixor gets brownie points. Nurenburg defense, Just following orders.
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There are no bars on Devon in 017 or 016. Only in 024, and why would you drink in those dumps? I'll find out if this is true.
Mr. SouthSide says---
"Do any of you braniacs know what ball park I'm in?"
Let's see--if your in a crowded, smelly ballpark full of guys eyeing each other and jealous hot women drinking crappy beer out of a can, you're at Wrigley.
If you're in a nice ballpark with plenty of parking, tailgating and drinking cold beer out of a plastic bottle, with great looking MILFS around, you're at Comiskey.
Glad to be of service.
I've been on furlough and still out of the county and on a fucking sunny ass beach, drinking, catching large ocean fish, partying at night, drinking more...
Come and test me, you need a passport, and a clue where to find me! Oh yeah, drinking more...
I used to actually enjoy coming to work and doing proactive policework locking up bad guys.
Instead of being an alcoholic for the first time in my life, my family doctor has me popping Prozac just to handle the depression of this job.
A healthy, low key dose of don't give a f-ck also does wonders. I notice more and more that coppers come to roll call with a blank zombie stare. Nobody gives a f-uck.
This J-Fed is clueless. Why don't they just put the dept. into federal receivership and be done with it. I got to much time in to go elsewhere. If you are new, get out now. The whole job has flat-lined. Turn off the life support. We're brain dead.
Anything would be better than Daley and his puppets.
Back each other up and God help us.
How about "just be sober" guys & gals in blue? Think we can all manage that for a few months?
Cop got in a fight on Devon. Assailants fled. Female Lieut made him blow. He gone. Self defense cost him a trip to call back. Supervixor gets brownie points. Nurenburg defense, Just following orders.
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There are no bars on Devon in 017 or 016. Only in 024, and why would you drink in those dumps? I'll find out if this is true.
Maybe he was drinking in that "Touche" bar right next to the 024th District station!!
exempts will be....well...exempt!
accountability...no not that.
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