One Full Year
Today at midnight will mark one full year without a contract.
Has anyone else seen realistic progress in the contract talks? Neither have we. All we see is J-Fed and his cronies attempting to circumvent agreements, protections and precedent.
Arbitration anyone?
Has anyone else seen realistic progress in the contract talks? Neither have we. All we see is J-Fed and his cronies attempting to circumvent agreements, protections and precedent.
Arbitration anyone?
Labels: contract stuff
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
127 Comments:
I say let it go for 3 or 4 years... I can use the $25,000.00 retro check!
The FOP sucks!
The Mayor sucks!
This City sucks!
Our Job sucks!
Many of our bosses suck!
And yes, the CUBS suck!
jody please help us resolve this contract. morale is all time low
I'm new on the job (less than 3 years). How much could I expect in my retro check?
OT:Has anyone else experienced a delay in getting their city sticker in the mail? I talked to three others who have also. I mailed my check in on 16 May for my sticker and still have not received it. I spoke with some creature at the clerks office who said,"we're still working on them." She checked my name and said,"we haven't got to yours yet, be patient and don't stop the check, we'll get to it." I said, "they expire on June 30th and May 16th was a long time ago." She said I should get it by the 16th of July that's when tickets will be written.
I'm just a bit curious if the little jagoff at city hall has a plan to get a little more revenue out of us with late fees and tickets by delaying the stickers. Maybe I'm over reacting, but it would be the "chicago way" to pull something like that. I know there would be a lot of hoops to jump through to prove I mailed the check out on May 16. Remember it's Pay the city until you can prove you didn't have to!
Arbitration is only acceptable in the event that a united strategy doesn't effectively inspire cooperation from the city's extortionists, aka negotiators.
Opportunity doesn't present itself often.
Can enough hear it knocking?
For all of you that live on 2211's Bt
I sure hope that before you went to bed tonight you made sure that your homes, families, vehicles and other properties were secured. This is important because there are no police officers patrolling your neighborhood tonight. The 4th police district was busy tonight, as it always is, with criminals acting out and shooting each other. So guess what? They pulled Beat 2211, Beat 2234, Beat 2272, Beat 2206A and Beat 2263B from their assigned district (yours!) and sent them to answer calls and protect the citizens in the area of 2500 East 79th Street
So, let's give the police service to the non tax payin non job having people and take it away from those that do. Just like Englewood who cares about those people? I sure as hell don't, they will never stop so who cares? Let them all just kill each other, we will kill a few birds with that stone, less SSI collectors, less Welfare recipients, less scum in the city, and for the neighborhoods in 008 and 009 that teams saturate let them kill each other as well, then we will start to curtail the illegal alien problem.
This is from a Channel 7 news clip and just about says it all:
"You expect them [children] to get shot, growing up in the city, by some thugs on the streets.
It is acceptable to get shot in the hood but unacceptable to get shot by the POLEECES...
Rally against police involved shootingsSaturday, June 28, 2008 | 7:06 PM A group of families held a rally Saturday to protest several recent shootings involving the city's police department.
Organizers called it a "This Must Stop" march to the police precinct at 51st Street and Wentworth.
Chicago police have been involved in at least eight shootings in the last two weeks, including five that were fatal.
Saturday's marchers claimed the deadly force has been unwarranted.
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enough is enough. If you cant' do the job, you're scared to come to our neighborhoods, maybe you need to find another profession," said Ashanda Harrison, the aunt of a shooting victim.
"You expect them [children] to get shot, growing up in the city, by some thugs on the streets, but not by the Chicago Police Department," said another woman attending the march, who was identified as a shooting victim's mother.
The Chicago Independent Police Review Authority is investigating the shooting incidents.
Anyone who wants it to go longer is an idiot. Not only do you not have access to that money but you also will be put in a higher tax bracket when you get it.
Let the city be able to test us for alcohol while on duty and give us 10 hour days for everyone. That seems like a fair trade.
SCC
This is way off topic but I got to share it. I read the Sun-Times today and the Cook County Jail is shipping off its worst inmates to jails out of the county. That is just awesome!!!! Of course the John Howard Associations says that is a bad practice. I wish the State of Illinois and Cook County could enter into a foreign treaty and build a level 10 maximum security prison in Haiti. It would be cheaper to build and cheaper to operate. Hell they could hire hard core military vets to run the joint with Haitians as a sort of colonial whatever. Oh well let me go bacxk to my cornflakes.
Anyone can take this for what it is worth. I know a hand full of elected members to our union. I trust these members (I won't tell you their names or give you specifics).
The elected members have told me seperately that the contract is going to take forever. J-Fed and the city are trying to drastically change everything. The Union doesn't want to risk losing what we have left by going straight to arbitration.
I said before I trust these members. I can wait wait for a new deal. I have to figure its going to be alot worse than what we have now. The city has us by the balls with the increase in fuel, massive loss of revenue, and total mismanagement of money on their part.
The city has the proof that their idiots and have no money. That will help them in arbitration (an arbitraitor can't give us what the city doesn't have). We can only pray that we don't take a massive cut in pay!!!
I prefer verbal judo over deadly force....I have to side with the Reverends....
Anonymous said...
OT:Has anyone else experienced a delay in getting their city sticker in the mail? I talked to three others who have also. I mailed my check in on 16 May for my sticker and still have not received it. I spoke with some creature at the clerks office who said,"we're still working on them." She checked my name and said,"we haven't got to yours yet, be patient and don't stop the check, we'll get to it." I said, "they expire on June 30th and May 16th was a long time ago." She said I should get it by the 16th of July that's when tickets will be written.
I'm just a bit curious if the little jagoff at city hall has a plan to get a little more revenue out of us with late fees and tickets by delaying the stickers. Maybe I'm over reacting, but it would be the "chicago way" to pull something like that. I know there would be a lot of hoops to jump through to prove I mailed the check out on May 16. Remember it's Pay the city until you can prove you didn't have to!
6/30/2008 01:25:00 AM
You might want to call the overpaid ticket writer lackey at the clerks office who has "serco" people writing tickets in our neighborhood his name is donald zochowski he can be reached at 312-744-8590! maybe he could get this done he does nothing else but manage a crew of ticket writers who make from 55-100k a year writing parkers, maybe they could use meter type maids at 15 per hour!
"i can use the 25,000 retro check !"
and the mayor can use you 25,000 intrest free and then tax you at 40%.
THINK !
I'm gonna guess about two and a half years before we see one.
City Sticker? Never even received the application...pay the $5 and get it at Jewel.
we need to get this through asap so our schedule change can go in effect
I'm new on the job (less than 3 years). How much could I expect in my retro check?
6/30/2008 01:10:00 AM
Hey, Dumbshit,
1. Your retro is dependent on your raise.
2. The FOP is bargaining for your raise.
3.
And now word is the city is trying to screw us on our retro too! They are trying to ask for a measly 1.5% increase the first year, maybe less. By doing this, our retro checks are caculated at that 1.5% rate! Talk about really screwing your officers!
To >>>>I say let it go for 3 or 4 years... I can use the $25,000.00 retro check!<<<<<
I'd rather have the money on time and I,(not Richie) collect the interest on it.
The city has done that before, dangle some bone in front of us like hungry dogs. Just give up something small, like your medical or retirement benefits so Richie can feed his Olympics and campaign donors.
To the young coppers out there be very careful what the (a-hem) union and the city put in front of you.
So what, whatever contract we are given will be worse from than the last. It never gets better, only worse. Cops just look at the Retro-check, without thinking of the big picture.
I always wondered how stupid a person could get - well , ms. ashanda (what a creative name- for a dog maybe) harris - you have answered my question . I hope and pray - you expire in a manner that wins you a darwin award.
Stay safe out there . We know what our job is , don't ever second guess yourself. Make it home safely - take care of your family , your co-workers - and enjoy the 1st and the 16th.
6/30/2008 01:25:00 AM
At least you got an application. I have gotten nothing in the mail. Fortunately, I have a relative that works at the clerk's office and he did a manual check and found nothing in the system. He was able to set me up in the system and purchased the stickers for me. I have talked to several other department employees and they have not gotten apps in the mail either. DON'T WAIT UNTIL THE LAST MINUTE. The lines will be horrible. And the stuttering dwarf will try to stick it in your ass.
i refuse to wear my shoes while in my cruiser until i receive a contract.
we will NEVER ratify a collective bargaining agreement again because every contract will go to arbitration
why
NO responsibility by FOP for their inability and lack of resolve to fight the city because when they are thrown out of their $100,000.00 plush inside office gigs they want to go to good units like Capparelli who is costing an additional $24,000.00 a year while he waits in cold case unit 606 with a take home car before he runs for pension rep Capparelli go back to the street R U kidding.
even the issues that the fop and city agree on are never sent to the membership for ratification but are lunped into the arb ruling how does that happen should we not have a chance to vote on the issues that the fop and city burden us with
yea get involved voice your opinion but you will never participate in the contract that is forced on you
sounds like a dictatorship huh
wharej603
For all of you that live on 2211's Bt
I sure hope that before you went to bed tonight you made sure that your homes, families, vehicles and other properties were secured. This is important because there are no police officers patrolling your neighborhood tonight. The 4th police district was busy tonight, as it always is, with criminals acting out and shooting each other. So guess what? They pulled Beat 2211, Beat 2234, Beat 2272, Beat 2206A and Beat 2263B from their assigned district (yours!) and sent them to answer calls and protect the citizens in the area of 2500 East 79th Street
So, let's give the police service to the non tax payin non job having people and take it away from those that do. Just like Englewood who cares about those people? I sure as hell don't, they will never stop so who cares? Let them all just kill each other, we will kill a few birds with that stone, less SSI collectors, less Welfare recipients, less scum in the city, and for the neighborhoods in 008 and 009 that teams saturate let them kill each other as well, then we will start to curtail the illegal alien problem.
Please tell me your kidding!!! Can you prove this? If so; post it and I know a reporter that would eat it up. We pay taxes, and if anybody was victim to a crime would have a law suit against the Police Department.
Anonymous said...
OT:Has anyone else experienced a delay in getting their city sticker in the mail? I talked to three others who have also. I mailed my check in on 16 May for my sticker and still have not received it. I spoke with some creature at the clerks office who said,"we're still working on them." She checked my name and said,"we haven't got to yours yet, be patient and don't stop the check, we'll get to it." I said, "they expire on June 30th and May 16th was a long time ago." She said I should get it by the 16th of July that's when tickets will be written.
I'm just a bit curious if the little jagoff at city hall has a plan to get a little more revenue out of us with late fees and tickets by delaying the stickers. Maybe I'm over reacting, but it would be the "chicago way" to pull something like that. I know there would be a lot of hoops to jump through to prove I mailed the check out on May 16. Remember it's Pay the city until you can prove you didn't have to!
6/30/2008 01:25:00 AM
You don't have to buy one if it's registered outside of the city and in someone else's name. I transfered mine into the ol' lady's name and it's registered in the burbs. In a year or two that will change to another state. When you drive to work, don't park in the city lot. They can't gig you if it's not on their property. Inspectors aren't that swift. In the mean time, if you have a garage hide it there. This city can kiss my ass.
I will not act in antype of proactive manner without a contract. I will answer my calls and write reports for all the crime victims out there but, thats it I am more than happy guard a crime scene or write a report on a shooting but screw this craphole city and mayor midget mumbles and j fraud. No contract nothing but rd #'s and me taking 45mins to write a report.
Let the city burn Im just driving around watching the circus, burning gas. Hey fed boy another murder on the southside, oops another body out west. time to go to the bar and forget about the silly animals for a while. Can I get an event # for doing nothing squad.
FYI the Firefighters contract expired at the same time. Thats 18.100 public safety professionals and their families working 1 year without a contract in the City of Chicago. I seem to recall someone from Chicago running for president. So to mayor Daley and your rubber stamp city council I have this to say. If you think were voting for Barak Hussian Obama without a contract in hand your out of your fucking minds. Whats most dissapointing is the leadership of both FOP Lodge 7 and CFFU Local 2 have'nt a clue how to play this.
I'm new on the job (less than 3 years). How much could I expect in my retro check?
6/30/2008 01:10:00 AM
Not much!
If we do not have a contract by April 2009 the Olympics are off the table. So you can bet we will have a contract by then, even if it goes to an arbitrator.
For once we have the mayor by the balls and our union is doing very little to publicize this.
As far as letting us go without a contract for years just so we an get a nice retro check, that is just plain stupid. The retro check is your money to begin with and all that we have allowed them to do is make huge amounts of interest off of it.
I would say it would be fine if they would pay interest on the money but they don't.
Yes... one full year. And as a final f/u to the police, when the retro checks finally do come, the stuttering prick will see to it that the accounting is crooked (as always) and it's taxed at %40 or there abouts... The one person I found at IRS willing to be honest said that something is very wrong in the city's math... considering that you've essentially already paid taxes on these earnings, you should only have to pay the difference between your rate of pay at the expiration of the contract and each subsequent increase... this is how I understood it but it is possible that I may have misinterpreted this as the conversation was several years ago.
Any accountants or IRS wonks out there to weigh in on this? I raised this question to the union... shoulda saved my breath and $.50 for the call. "Be glad you got some money." was what f(l)op said... This response by our so called bargaining unit is why I have my own lawyer on retainer just in case feces hit the fan... looking for a good labor lawyer and a good private investigator as well. As an old timer once told me "remember that Y.O.Y.O on this job, the city ain't gonna do shit for ya and the union is in bed with the city, govern yourself accordingly."
stay safe everyone
Man Power issues are really starting to show. Remember working the Taste and everytime you turned your head you would see a police officer. Not this year! Also, how come the "new" bossess cannot organize an event, appropriate enough man power, and make sure events move smoothly? This never happened before. So, J-Fed you need to choose what "Chiefs," run the show and not run around like chickens with their heads cut off!!! Get it right CPD does not have 13,500 officers can we get an actual count here and pass it on to J-Fed and the Da Mayor!
OT:Has anyone else experienced a delay in getting their city sticker in the mail?
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I called the other day; sent mine in on 16 May, too. Was told it hadn't been scanned yet, supervisor wasn't in to say when it would be, would have to call back this week, had until July, etc. When I said I was a city employee and was expected to have a sticker on my vehicle, the woman told me that I could always buy another sticker, make a copy of the receipt, and then submit for reimbursement when I received the other sticker in the mail. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
It seems to be a problem with the mail orders this year. My sister renewed online and got her sticker quickly. (Apparently they don't charge a fee for that, can't remember if they used to.) Her husband sent in by mail and is still waiting. Neither is CPD.
"I'm new on the job (less than 3 years). How much could I expect in my retro check?"
Not very much at all.
Oh... and they tax whatever pittance you get at a higher rate. So you actually make LESS money than you would have received previously if they had settled the contract in a timely manner.
In the meantime, the city is holding OUR money and collecting a ton of interest on it.
To sum it up, you're clueless on how badly the city screws you and an idiot for gushing over a paltry retro check.
Re:
sgt. dave kinney said...
I say let it go for 3 or 4 years... I can use the $25,000.00 retro check!
6/30/2008 12:31:00 AM
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Yes Dave, you will need it to pay me off!
Ex-Mrs. Kinney
When I was new I waitied 4 years for a raise. Thats tuff when you take a pay cut to work for this toilet. I am mad as hell now and refuse to do anything when without a contract. If we were all true blue we would all stick together and stick it to mayor studders.
Answer your calls only write a ton of paper and dont do a damn thing until we get a decent contract. Wake the fuck up.
I say let it go for 3 or 4 years... I can use the $25,000.00 retro check!
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A financial genius!! I love how so many coppers are clueless. If you simply invested that $100 per month raise you should have gotten from day one, you'd have close to $35,000 by the end of those 4 to 5 years. I say we argue for our retro check with interest. See how fast the city settles our contract then. Not only am I paying more for gas and electric than ever before, I can't even make my cost of living pay increase work for me.
word is the contract will be done by the year's end.
Our contract will be what is has been for the last 12 years..you get 16% over 4 years, and you may get a little bump in your "uniform" and "duty availability" allowances. That's it folks. Don't expect any more from the city or our union. And before you guys in the union start bitchin...you have been in power since before the last contract..and we have never gotten a higher percentage than 16% over 4 years. We are the biggest lodge of the FOP in the nation...we should be getting paid like it...if our reps and officers need help, then we should be contacting the national office to get some damn help, that is what they are there for, and what we pay for. Fuck the Easter Egg hunts, the lunch with Santa, the Fishing tournament, the golf nonsense, and the corned beef and cabbage...put that money where it is needed..to help retirees and current officers get what they want and need to do their job, and live a long life after this job. Thank you and goodnight.
ime is now for off-duty P.O's to pick up signs and picket the Taste. Go down there, walk with a sign for awhile in the picket line, go in, have a snack if you want, relax, come out, walk a bit more, go home. The Media will no doubt show up. FOP, where are you? Out to lunch as usual....
Antone who thinks they are making out the longer the contract takes is STUPID, period. The interest money you are losing could be in your investments, or savings, instead of the City's. Don't fall for this, no other employees of Unions dealing with the City do. Retro's are nice, but you are still getting shafted by the City in the long-run.
I hear arbitration is coming, but it will still be another year before serious talks.
As far as the retro check, they will end load the contract to pay the lowest percentages on the front... as always. According to the FOP website, the city countered with 1.1% for the first year and 2.25% for the second.
To the "less than 3 years", I wouldn't expect more than 2 to 3 thousand.
NO MORE 6 AND 2 SCHEDULE!!! 10 HOUR DAYS OR 6 AND 3!!
Whoop dee do!!!
30 June 2009 makes it 2 years and 30 June 2010 makes is 3 years. So what? Just make sure you put an X in the "money" box.
Anonymous said...
OT:Has anyone else experienced a delay in getting their city sticker in the mail? I talked to three others who have also............................
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I ordered mine last year and never recieved, city hall said it was the usps fault, to make a long story short, i now buy mine at curency exchange or city hall.
Well as long as there hasn't been any progress in the talks, can we add a few things.
If you are a
1. gangbanger
2. dope dealer
3. non educated POS
4. family of same (POS)
5. proudly sport gang tattoos but deny membership
6. believe the City, State, and Federal Gov. owes you anything after you have contributed nothing.
7. a parent that hasn't fed, bathed and put your children to bed by 2000 hrs.
8. a person who collects SSI after never having put in a dime
9. a person who has never paid taxes but got an economic stimulus check
10. a person who believes that Jessie Jackson, Al (not so sharp) Sharpton, Toddler Stroger are intelligent
11. a person who believes Obama will really help this Country.
You are never ever allowed to call the police, fire dept. or paramedics for anything.
That should alleviate the work load.
Everyone could get time whenever they wanted.
Most people would bid to the ghetto to have a nice easy night.
"For all of you that live on 2211's Bt
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FYI This has been happening in 016 for years. I've seen the tvl's on 1613's bt. I'm sure word has gotten out.
Anonymous said...
I'm new on the job (less than 3 years). How much could I expect in my retro check?
6/30/2008 01:10:00 AM
Your FTO must not have been to swift.
You have to have at least five years on the job to get a retro check.
All your money and the rest of the rookies is split between the veteran officers in your district.
Don't get angry, it will be your turn one day too.
I AM APPALLED AS A TAXPAYER TO LEARN VIA THIS BLOG THAT NO CPD SQUADS ARE PATROLLING MY NEIGHBORHOOD, [MT. GREENWOOD] ON WEEKENDS. COULD WE AS RESIDENTS PUT TOGETHER A RALLY IN MT. GREENWOOD PARK ONE NIGHT NEXT WEEKEND, [SAT?] AND SHOW UP IN FORCE TO DEMAND OUR PAID FOR BY OUR TAXES POLICE PROTECTION? I'LL BET WE HAVE NO PARAMEDIC/FIRE PROTECTION MOST OR ALL OF THE TIME ALSO. HOW ABOUT WE ALL FLOOD THE ALDERMANS OFFICE WITH LETTERS AND CALLS DEMANDING WHAT WE HAVE PAID FOR? PLEASE POST IF YOU THINK YOU CAN GET OUR RESIDENTS TO STOP OUT FOR AN HOUR OR 2 THIS COMING SATURDAY NIGHT IN PROTEST OF THIS ABYSMAL FAILURE OF CITY GOVERNMENT [AGAIN]. THANK YOU.
I say let it go for 3 or 4 years... I can use the $25,000.00 retro check!
6/30/2008 12:31:00 AM
I agree...let it take another year or 2...I want a pool.
If you cant' do the job, you're scared to come to our neighborhoods, maybe you need to find another profession," said Ashanda Harrison, the aunt of a shooting victim.
Hey Asshanda, I'm pretty sure at least eight police officers WERE doing the job.
In a fine way I might add.
Now if parents would just do the job and parent, we wouldn't shoot people, because they wouldn't be brandishing weapons.
As long as patrolmen have the likes of Bella representing them, negotiations will drag on. He's a loud mouthed moron who adds nothing to the negotiations.
Stop electing assholes to represent the rank & file.
It hurts us all in the end.
They pulled Beat 2211, Beat 2234, Beat 2272, Beat 2206A and Beat 2263B from their assigned district (yours!) and sent them to answer calls and protect the citizens in the area of 2500 East 79th Street
JOB ACTION NOW MY BROTHERS, the useful alder bitch is good for one thing only merit promotions to the many useless police females living in the 19th ward. The most merit promotions on both police and fire. You stop in to ask for police manpower and she the alderwoman asks for a resume,
and tells you to join the ward and you will be promoted.....
Is it true that "The Crybaby" hired the same body builders that J.C. hired and that he wants them to get ready for "The Big KG".
I mailed my check in on 16 May for my sticker and still have not received it.
**I mailed mine on 16 May and got it last week.
It is time for arbitration, the CTA, teachers laborers, truck drivers streets and san, water dept, carpenters, electricans all have new contracts. The police and fire dept get shit on once again. Well mayor daley i have been giving you the quality of police service you deserve for the past year.
Property Taxes UP. Gas prices have more than DOUBLED. heating bill way UP, Electric bill way UP, city stickers UP. Water Bill UP, Food prices UP. Tuition UP. Sales tax UP. Medical and prescriptions UP. Everything is going up but our salaries, well mayor numbnuts I could care less about your shithole of a city, let the animals kill eachother. Anyone still giving the city revenue and service is out of their mind.
ANSWER TO 10:00 am.
Nothing kid, you don't even have your feet wet. If you came on this job to make money your a goof. Go with the money in your pocket and don't count your chickens before they hatch.
Too may scam artist on his job and they embarass themselves eveyday.
Sgt. Kinney... I am sure the ex wife would be very happy when you receive that retro check! Hell.. I may marry her to just to share the wealth!
I will never understand how the city gets away with this. FOP should start negotiating a year before the contract ends and tell the city that when the contract ends we will go into arbitration.
I say let it go for 3 or 4 years... I can use the $25,000.00 retro check!
6/30/2008 12:31:00 AM
whomever wrote the above statement is an IDIOT!
WTF? Does life have no meaning for these animals? Why is it no big deal to get shot by a thug, but a big deal to get shot by the police...? Oh yeah, the PAYCHECK. Don't forget the City will settle for huge $$$$ even if the shooting was justified, once the family sues for mookie's lost (?) income... Oh the hardship!!!
Talked to an FOP rep the other day (Don't worry, I showered right after), and they said don't bother looking for anything for another 6 months. Oh, goody.
I checked off with a big fat ZERO across the check off sheet today. As I do every day. When the contract is settled and I see a raise on my check I might start doing work again. But then again, why ruin a good thing. When is your retirement party JFED? I want to buy a ticket...
Boycott shopping in the city. Again, with the new sales tax going in place tommorrow were getting fucked again, again, and again! Like Ozzie said,"We're the the Bitches of the city." Welcome to the Murder and Tax capital of the nation.
What's the hurry? Why the rush to go into arbitration. Patience is a virtue. Its not like we're never going to get a contract. The longer they wait, the larger your retro check will be. Besides we never win much at arbitration hearings. Remember the arbiter tries to be fair to both sides. Just relax and it'll come, time is on our side. Rushing into arbitration doesn't serve us well.
all you have to do is look at some of the arbitration rulings we've had in the past: (1) PAYING FOR HOSPITALIZATION INSURANCE (2) SKIMPY RAISES and(3) ELIMINATION OF UNITS just to mention a few. I agree if we have real negotiators on our side and not people who sleep with the enemy might help a little. But we're stuck with the present "union" so just relax and let the dice roll.
The funny thing is, the general public has until 15 July but inspectors will be looking for us to have our stickers on 01 July. If you don't get yours hopefully you have a recipt or something that you sent it in on time or I'm sure you'll get a day!
OT:Has anyone else experienced a delay in getting their city sticker in the mail? I talked to three others who have also. I mailed my check in on 16 May for my sticker and still have not received it. I spoke with some creature at the clerks office who said,"we're still working on them." She checked my name and said,"we haven't got to yours yet, be patient and don't stop the check, we'll get to it." I said, "they expire on June 30th and May 16th was a long time ago." She said I should get it by the 16th of July that's when tickets will be written.
J-Fraud wouldn't work without a contract. Why should he expect officers to work without one?
I'm new on the job (less than 3 years). How much could I expect in my retro check?
Are you kidding me? At this point in time, your retro check may be $0.00. In case you haven't been paying attention. The mayor of this city doesn't like the police department. Get real, buddy. Be happy, they haven't taken your check away.
Good luck, I'm retiring after the 1st of the year. Glad I'm going to be able to get out with a pension.
To the guy at
6/30/08 12:31 AM
I agree with everything you say except for the cubs.
Erase the last line ans say:
And yes, the sox suck
sgt. dave kinney said...
I say let it go for 3 or 4 years... I can use the $25,000.00 retro check!
6/30/2008 12:31:00 AM
If you learned how to save your money you could earn interest on that savings, moron!
I'm new on the job (less than 3 years). How much could I expect in my retro check?
6/30/2008 01:10:00 AM
Hey, Dumbshit,
1. Your retro is dependent on your raise.
2. The FOP is bargaining for your raise.
3.
6/30/2008 08:31:00 AM
A guy asks a simple question and gets called a dumbshit. Hang your head in shame, moron. you are no different than the link card gang-banging scumbags on the corner. Take that blue uniform off and join them. I pity the people who have to work with lowlifes like you.
And now word is the city is trying to screw us on our retro too! They are trying to ask for a measly 1.5% increase the first year, maybe less. By doing this, our retro checks are caculated at that 1.5% rate! Talk about really screwing your officers
They're actually only offering 1.1 percent. You can check the proposals on the fop's website.
The city has the proof that their idiots and have no money. That will help them in arbitration (an arbitraitor can't give us what the city doesn't have). We can only pray that we don't take a massive cut in pay!!!
Then tell the city to open the books, and the legit set. They won't want to do it. Look around at the money the city wastes, it is sickening. More ex FBI agents are going to be hired, where does that money come from? The city has money, believe me they have a lot of money.
City Sticker? Never even received the application...pay the $5 and get it at Jewel.
6/30/2008 08:04:00 AM
Same here, I never received my application but my wife got hers.
CFFU Local 2 is about to have federal oversight for embezzlement of funds. Stay tuned.
If the FOP agrees to 1.5% then a no confidence vote is in order. The standard raise is 3-5% nationally.
You don't have to buy one if it's registered outside of the city and in someone else's name. I transfered mine into the ol' lady's name and it's registered in the burbs. In a year or two that will change to another state. When you drive to work, don't park in the city lot. They can't gig you if it's not on their property. Inspectors aren't that swift. In the mean time, if you have a garage hide it there. This city can kiss my ass.
6/30/2008 09:53:00 AM
Your worry is not the clueless Inspector or where you park your vehicle. Even if you never, ever tell a soul, people watch and see, even when you are unaware they are watching and seeing, and when someone gives you up, and no doubt give you up they will, and the Department proves the vehicle is the vehicle you drive day in and day out, you're screwed. Your solution has been tried in the past and it fails. Anybody remember the Dick in A/4 that drove the wife's car with Wisconsin plates? He thought he had the solution. Not.
Remember, prosecution in a court of law, and administrative prosecution are two very different processes. You might slick them legally, but they will get you administratively. Just buy the fucking sticker and save yourself a load of grief.
The guys writing about the deliberate delays in mailing out the city stickers are correct. I also mailed mine out in May, three different renewal request on three different dates, with checks from two different banks. After three weeks I checked and saw that none of these checks had been deposited.
Repeated calls to the City Clerks Office ended with my calls being transfered to telephones no one answered. As June 20th arrived an none of my checks had been cashed I realized one of two things were taking place. One, city clerk employees were just dumping these renewals in the garbage because they are overworked, or the city clerk was intentionally not mailing these stickers out on time so that come July 1, you could be ticketed. None of us can take our car to work on Jul 1, without a current sticker, the inspectors will have a field day with their new digital cameras they use to take pictures of your vehicle violations. Jun 21, I went to a currency exchange, paid for three new stickers that I got on the spot. Now comes June 30, and all three city stickers I had purchased in May arrived in the mail. What a scam, I checked and saw that one check I mailed to the city May 22, was not deposited until June 27. NEVER AGAIN SHOULD YOU RENEW YOUR STICKER BY MAIL.
What are y'all getting into a dizzy about.
It has only been one year without a contract.
I expect another year to 18 months.
And by then it's adios = 29 and a day!!!!!!
OT -
Harold Washington College is no longer affiliated with the Chicago Police Department.
They were thrown out on thier as*es today.
Not even a goodbye from M.T.!
So for any of you looking for your transcrips, you gotta go to the Lake St. HWC for it.
Meter maids (men maids) writng tickets every day in Garfield Ridge and Norwood park, sent there for a reason. FYI
Real Police do not let some TV clip of a hag, who fell out of the short bus trying to make an insulting comments on TV so lawyers will see her face and make her ghetto rich, bother them.
All that TV crap is like a barking dog on the other side of the fence running along and barking as you walk by. I try to be like RoBo Cop, no emotions but shoot straight and true when needed.
verbal judo; Is that Sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me.........?
My mantra is, "it's only a movie" It's only a movie" "It's only a movie"
I prefer verbal judo over deadly force....I have to side with the Reverends....
6/30/2008 06:59:00 AM
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Verbal judo, right.
Sure. Just yell "Halt, drop your weapon" to pookie. Pookie will grunt with a huh? and shoot at you.
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Most people would bid to the ghetto to have a nice easy night.
6/30/2008 01:30:00 PM
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that is priceless. thank you.
They pulled Beat 2211, Beat 2234, Beat 2272, Beat 2206A and Beat 2263B from their assigned district (yours!) and sent them to answer calls and protect the citizens in the area of 2500 East 79th Street
sure, why not. Taxpayers dont need police service. The citizens should be made aware of the lack of service they get!
Enjoy your retro checks, Sincerely Bill (Sold you out) Nolan.
FOP better not let the city and JFed change everything in our contract or there will be a revolt. Enough is enough. IPRA ordinance already violates our contract and the FOP and Sgt's union and Lt's union are letting them do it and saying nothing!!!!!
about 9 po's are already stripped by IPRA for past CR's that they reopened and no one is saying anything. Sitting back and taking it! But you get out there and get us guns and stop the violence. FU
A barrel of oil is still a lot less than a barrel of Starbucks.
To the PO's, in Beverly, Mt. Greenwood, Morgan PK., your Ald. Rugai just voted with Daley on the Childrens's Museum. Do you think she cares?
the last thing we need is attention whores like this guy going to BS calls and harrasing us. also why do the calltakers take ridiculous calls? there was a ticket today for some woman at division and laramie who told the calltaker she was "scared because she's in a bad neighborhood".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvyFCqpPrDs
As far as the contract goes, one of the main things that will hold it up is health care. And the CFD won't get theirs until CPD is done with theirs. The midget only likes to do one at a time when it comes to the PD & FD. The city has only had a few meetings with the CFFU.
I love how so many coppers are clueless. If you simply invested that $100 per month raise you should have gotten from day one, you'd have close to $35,000 by the end of those 4 to 5 years. I say we argue for our retro check with interest. See how fast the city settles our contract then. Not only am I paying more for gas and electric than ever before, I can't even make my cost of living pay increase work for me.
6/30/2008 11:33:00 AM
OK, $100 per month times 60 months = $6,000.00. That much I understand. How the fuck do you turn that into "close to $35,000?" Are you fucking kidding? Or maybe you are related to the mayor and can perform financial black magic. Or maybe you are just a fucking idiot.
As long as patrolmen have the likes of Bella representing them, negotiations will drag on. He's a loud mouthed moron who adds nothing to the negotiations.
Stop electing assholes to represent the rank & file.
It hurts us all in the end.
6/30/2008 02:06:00 PM
You mean fallon.
I AM APPALLED AS A TAXPAYER TO LEARN VIA THIS BLOG THAT NO CPD SQUADS ARE PATROLLING MY NEIGHBORHOOD, [MT. GREENWOOD] ON WEEKENDS. COULD WE AS RESIDENTS PUT TOGETHER A RALLY IN MT. GREENWOOD PARK ONE NIGHT NEXT WEEKEND, [SAT?] AND SHOW UP IN FORCE TO DEMAND OUR PAID FOR BY OUR TAXES POLICE PROTECTION? I'LL BET WE HAVE NO PARAMEDIC/FIRE PROTECTION MOST OR ALL OF THE TIME ALSO. HOW ABOUT WE ALL FLOOD THE ALDERMANS OFFICE WITH LETTERS AND CALLS DEMANDING WHAT WE HAVE PAID FOR? PLEASE POST IF YOU THINK YOU CAN GET OUR RESIDENTS TO STOP OUT FOR AN HOUR OR 2 THIS COMING SATURDAY NIGHT IN PROTEST OF THIS ABYSMAL FAILURE OF CITY GOVERNMENT [AGAIN]. THANK YOU.
6/30/2008 01:36:00 PM
I've seen a memo stating that every night of the week, one tact or gang car will be sent out of 022 and into another "higher crime" area, and one day a week, ONE ENTIRE TACT TEAM will be sent out of 022. This is your tax dollars hard at work! The ignorant higher ups have no clue what is going on in this department. And the kicker is, the new Commander of 022 says nothing!
Your $$$ is just compounding intrest DALEY!!! When hes ready we will get it.
A giant Trojan horse will appear soon! Inside will be FOP and King Richie tempting us with promises of more money, 5 ten hour days, etc. BEWARE! If it sounds too good to be true.......
I am taking my retro check and titling all my vehicles out of state. The way the gas prices and taxes have gone up I can no longer afford to keep them in this workers paradise.
Make yourself a Nevada S-Corp and rent a PO box in Vegas. Transfer all your vehicles to the S-Corp and have the mail forwarded to your home. I have 2 down and another 2 to go! No city sticker and lower insurance rates!
and as soon as we get a contract it will have already been expired. haha. this place is a joke.
what are tvl's ?? lot of junk coming north. southeast end of 016 getting to be a hot spot. lot of crap down in that area.
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sgt. dave kinney said...
I say let it go for 3 or 4 years... I can use the $25,000.00 retro check!
6/30/2008 12:31:00 AM
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Anonymous said...
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sgt. dave kinney said...
I say let it go for 3 or 4 years... I can use the $25,000.00 retro check!
6/30/2008 12:31:00 AM
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Yes Dave, you will need it to pay me off!
Ex-Mrs. Kinney
6/30/2008 10:59:00 AM
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and the final post....
Anonymous said...
Sgt. Kinney... I am sure the ex wife would be very happy when you receive that retro check! Hell.. I may marry her to just to share the wealth!
6/30/2008 03:06:00 PM
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Take it from me $25,000.00 is not worth it. Maybe if she hit the mega-millions lotto... just maybe..
I'm new on the job (less than 3 years). How much could I expect in my retro check?
6/30/2008 01:10:00 AM
were you a ppo before or after the contract expired? we will have a contract by 2010. expect between $2,000-$4,000.
I'm apologizing for some of the responses you got. Most of them seem like that have 2-3 years on themselves. Just ignore them, get your retro check and go to sleep happy.
Also this is the 7 year anniversary of P.O. Brian Strouse last tour of duty. P.O. in 012 killed by ambrose gang member
Two things:
1, Get your city stickers online I ordered them on Thursday and recieved one on Saturday and the other two today. No line and no fee.
2, the withholding on retro check doesn't determine how much tax you ultimately pay, your accountant determines what your AGI is after deductions.
3, What if one of the perks of your side job is use of a company car, can you get jammed if it is registered in the suburb the company is located in and you park it in the lot?
What about this new performance rating system. What are the bosses going to do with all this data? I’m sure they are going to hold it over our head when we want a day off. The watch commander has all ready come to roll call with a list of people who are not giving the numbers they want. I thought you said they can’t make us write tickets. I want to avoid court at all costs. I’m too busy with family and part time job to stay above water. SCC, please make a post for this. I would like other cops to chime in and share the stories. Also, please give some insight to the general order or lack of one that explains what our duty to write movers and parkers. If im going to make an argument when the boss call’s me in the office, I would like hard proof.
hey asshole. everyday that we don't have a contract, the Mayor - gets mo and mo money in his pocket on interest from our unpaid money from our unsettled contract. we NEVER see that interest. do the math - several million dollars in a high interest bearing account. Daley gets it all, while laughing at all the police officers eagerly waiting for a contract that never comes and when it does come, it's table scraps. this continually repeats itself each and everytime the contract is up. when does it end. fop lodge 7 is utterly useless!
A guy asks a simple question and gets called a dumbshit. Hang your head in shame, moron. you are no different than the link card gang-banging scumbags on the corner. Take that blue uniform off and join them. I pity the people who have to work with lowlifes like you.
6/30/2008 05:34:00 PM
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If his question is so SIMPLE, answer it then.
sgt. dave kinney said...
I say let it go for 3 or 4 years... I can use the $25,000.00 retro check!
6/30/2008 12:31:00 AM
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idiot, who do you think is earning interest on YOUR money?
No way is a retro check going to put you into a 40% tax bracket. 65,100-131,450 25%
131,450-200,300 28%
It might hurt some exempts, but won't impact too many PO's. And besides that, you only pay the higher tax rate on the money earned over the cut off. Tax rate is based on income after all deductions. If you are making over 100K and you can't come up with enough deductions to get you taxable income under 131K, you better get a REAL accountant, not that copper who does it on the side "real cheap."
Jun 21, I went to a currency exchange, paid for three new stickers that I got on the spot. Now comes June 30, and all three city stickers I had purchased in May arrived in the mail. What a scam, I checked and saw that one check I mailed to the city May 22, was not deposited until June 27. NEVER AGAIN SHOULD YOU RENEW YOUR STICKER BY MAIL.
6/30/2008 07:54:00 PM
So now you have 6 city vehicle stickers for 3 vehicles? You must be kidding. Mayor Mumbles will love you more if you go buy 3 more!
Anonymous said...
OT -
Harold Washington College is no longer affiliated with the Chicago Police Department.
They were thrown out on thier as*es today.
Not even a goodbye from M.T.!
So for any of you looking for your transcrips, you gotta go to the Lake St. HWC for it.
6/30/2008 08:22:00 PM
No more college credit for attending the academy. Without harold washington, academy lacks a college to sponsor them. Academy looses valuable role players. Another step into the drain for academy.
"The city has the proof that their idiots and have no money. That will help them in arbitration (an arbitraitor can't give us what the city doesn't have). "
But it won't help them win the olympics- say good bye to that Mr. Mayor
a silly question? if the FOP s hands are tied and limited on what they can do...can we go to an outside union? i remember guys talking about the teamsters union awhile back.shouldnt we have the meanest,take no prisoners type of labor lawyers working on our behalf? why does our union always have to play nice with the city? we will get the usual same BS contract. a little bit of money offset by increased medical.change of work schedule? i d like to see what they propose... patrol is very short now . i have a little bet....that the jagoff will use our raises as an excuse to raise taxes. he ll blame us!
Also, please give some insight to the general order or lack of one that explains what our duty to write movers and parkers. If im going to make an argument when the boss call’s me in the office, I would like hard proof.
**Ask the boss to find it for you. Nowhere in writing or policy does it say that you have to do a certain amount of anything. Giving a specific number to your tasks is unalwful.
I’m sure they are going to hold it over our head when we want a day off.
**File a grievance if your time is denied. Keep good documentation.
Make the union do what they are paid to do.
Get your city stickers online I ordered them on Thursday and recieved one on Saturday and the other two today. No line and no fee.
**I do not trust any city employee with my credit card info.
What if one of the perks of your side job is use of a company car, can you get jammed if it is registered in the suburb the company is located in and you park it in the lot?
**Yes you get jammed. Even if it is registered in the suburbs you have to buy a city sticker if you are going to park it here.
what are tvl's
**Traveling Vice Lords
COULD WE AS RESIDENTS PUT TOGETHER A RALLY IN MT. GREENWOOD PARK ONE NIGHT NEXT WEEKEND, [SAT?] AND SHOW UP IN FORCE TO DEMAND OUR PAID FOR BY OUR TAXES POLICE PROTECTION? I
**This same issue was discussed at 811's beat meeting last month. You need to get a petition, signed by all of your neighbors demanding that the beat cars stay on their beat... send a certified copy of the petition to the Mayor, Superintendent, Alderman & Commander of your district.
FOP better not let the city and JFed change everything in our contract or there will be a revolt. Enough is enough. IPRA ordinance already violates our contract and the FOP and Sgt's union and Lt's union are letting them do it and saying nothing!!!!!
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Everyone should expect a contract that favors the city. The current FOP staff is aged, and will be getting ready to retire. Therefor, as in the past, the jump in bed with the city, and are rewarded with a nice ghost payroll job. If anyone doubts this go to the daley center, and see what Nolan does. This guy is collecting a nice salary to read the paper, and drink coffe.Soon Donahue will have a job like this as well
Talked to an FOP rep the other day (Don't worry, I showered right after), and they said don't bother looking for anything for another 6 months. Oh, goody.
6/30/2008 03:29:00 PM
No shit, Sherlock. Your contract negotiating lawyer (the shaky one) is too busy working down at IPRA and billing the FOP on the side. Fuck you and your contract. Thats the FLOP message.
The FOP will take care of you guys the same way it took care of the coppers on the BIS program,thru the back door,and sell u out,,Right Sidney and Mark From Cooter
What about this new performance rating system. What are the bosses going to do with all this data? I’m sure they are going to hold it over our head when we want a day off. The watch commander has all ready come to roll call with a list of people who are not giving the numbers they want. I thought you said they can’t make us write tickets. I want to avoid court at all costs. I’m too busy with family and part time job to stay above water. SCC, please make a post for this. I would like other cops to chime in and share the stories. Also, please give some insight to the general order or lack of one that explains what our duty to write movers and parkers. If im going to make an argument when the boss call’s me in the office, I would like hard proof.
You want hard proof and you are looking to the blog to give it to you???? Has it realy gotten to the point that some of you consider this blog Gospel??? WOW how sad that you cannot look up an order yourself or form your own opinion. Very sad
What about this new performance rating system. What are the bosses going to do with all this data? I’m sure they are going to hold it over our head when we want a day off. The watch commander has all ready come to roll call with a list of people who are not giving the numbers they want. I thought you said they can’t make us write tickets. I want to avoid court at all costs. I’m too busy with family and part time job to stay above water. SCC, please make a post for this. I would like other cops to chime in and share the stories. Also, please give some insight to the general order or lack of one that explains what our duty to write movers and parkers. If im going to make an argument when the boss call’s me in the office, I would like hard proof.
"I want to avoid court at all costs" That says it all. The new police department. A police officer taking a police job that wants to avoid court at all costs. Pathetic
"...you have six city stickers for three vehicles?..."
Can you sell me one? I'm a little short right now.
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