Answering Questions
Answering a couple of questions and statements in the comment sections of various posts:
- Can anyone shed some light how 018 District Gang/Tact Teams are having their RDO's cancelled for a detail detail this weekend and instead of paying them overtime, switch their D.O.G. instead?? Contract Violation?? any FOP Reps care to explain this?? ALl Officers the city is broke, no money and no contract, this is just the begining. Cancelling RDO'S, forced Overtime, watch your back and your partners... Thanks to the new regime...[sic]
Well, as many readers helpfully pointed out, here's a copy of the Contract. Read it. We'll even help our - Section 20.7, starting on page 50. It's been in effect since 2003 with this contact and since 1999 in the previous contract, and probably in the contract prior to that one, too.
- ...the TRU secretary gets working day mini-furloughs, taken during holiday weeks but has only 8 years on. WTF! How is that possible? Got to be contract and GO violation. I was hoping someone would clarify but the comment got lost in all the responses to the fool copper that obviously can't drive. I've got more time than her and work in shit every night and can barely get a weekend off. How is this possible? Please don't make this an opportunity to bash TRU, this is some major bullshit that needs to be explained. Anyone know how this is allowed?!
Because no one brings it to the FOP's attention. Grieve it. Sign your name to a Grievance form and file it. This is an egregious contract violation and it's the most easily provable as it's on the A&A Sheets. But someone has to man-up and make the beef. No one beefs, no one knows. Of course, don't expect to remain in a Unit if you raise a stink. Catch-22.
There's plenty more where those came from. But our readers do a much better job than we do explaining the reality of various situations.
There's plenty more where those came from. But our readers do a much better job than we do explaining the reality of various situations.
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posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
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Never underestimate the awesome power of fellatio.
MAN UP!!!!! MAN UP!!!!!!!
Regarding the Obama Detail:
Up until Mon. 17 Nov 2nd watch.......
Can there be a slip submitted since this was a detail outside the Area for a supervisor since it was not a parade, sports event or festival? (as per the contract PBPA) (8hr for 12)?
What about the officers too? Not sure if they have a situation that is the same or not?
Word from some is they are putting in slips for past shifts from when this started since last week.
Just asking..........
Correct me if I'm wrong, but to be able to grieve something, I believe you have to be able to prove you were wronged. How is one patrolman wronged if another gets a perk(Taken Care of). Not saying its right just not something you can grieve?
and you are in tact/gang because?
A.You get to wear your cool designer jeans
B. It's cool
C. you like to be a whipping boy
there is always 1st watch.
for the guy/gal bitching about that situation in TRU have the balls and grieve it. If not STFU. You can always go back to the district. Don't worry BO will bring "change" to you.
Someone better confirm this shit! No fucking way! It's gotta be a LIE! CLASS ACTION LAW SUITE!!!!!
Speaking on the TRU Secretary the same thing happens here at HQ's. All the less than 10 year dollies seem to be off a little longer than they should.
Does anyone know what type of vacation the new FeeBees get?
Just curious.
Can I file the grievence if I do not work in TRU??
If so, and somebody knows the name and the dates involved, I will grieve it.
No problem at all with that!
I have a hatred for T. Williams and his side kick Lil' Wade that I am sure is not healthy - but any chacne I get to make things bad for them, well, I AM IN!
Liam, Southside PO
what is a "mini-furlo"? i'm on 19 years and have never heard of it. would that be CU or BFD. how do days off affect it? just asking
Correct me if I'm wrong, but to be able to grieve something, I believe you have to be able to prove you were wronged. How is one patrolman wronged if another gets a perk(Taken Care of). Not saying its right just not something you can grieve?
-----If their ability to take time is hindered based upon manpower constraints, it is a plausible grievance. PERKS are fine until it negatively affects another. Lack of the perk in of itself is not bad because you are losing something you do not have. However, it is problematic when your ability to do something is forfeited so another can have the perk.
All the administrative personal are able to burn days during the week because they are not really essential personal. So it doesn't really matter if they are there or not there. Get a clue. If you want some of that go inside.
Someone better confirm this shit! No fucking way! It's gotta be a LIE! CLASS ACTION LAW SUITE!!!!!
You should be dropped from any potential SUIT, because you can't spell it....lol
Who cares about those political hacks in 018. Just do as you are told!
If your furlough picks were for that period and were out bid and this person now who has less senority gets their furlough for that period you can greve that because you were wronged. Happened to us in special unit and won not only was the person wronged able to get choice furlough beyond alloted 7% per period but given extra time as settlement. Takes a little guts to stand up, to many P/o's afraid to say anything, afraid of getting dumped and sent back to streets.
If this is just time due, first come first served. And they know when the slips have to be in and the cut off margin of people allowd to take time due for holidays. Seems office P/o's always have their slips in first.
Personal days must be in 10 days before date. Nothing in contract says you can't take all personal days at once.
Baby furlough days same as furlough days.
I'm not sure if anyone will know the answer to this, but here goes.
Since the new guy has a contract and there for is not technically an exempt member, did he take the 3days off without pay, as the commanders, deputies etc... were forced to do? Just wondering?
If your affected grieve it, i know you don't want to me moved by the powers of above, but if it bothers you then "just do it"!
Looking through the contract here....hang on.... I remember something near the back..... still flipping pages... oh, VIOLA! Here it is, p69.... "Anyone stupid enough to work for a Gang or Tact team is probably stupid enough to keep working, regardless of day off change...as a concession for terrible hours etc. officers will be able to wear blue jeans. Usually." Hope that helps. You sure put up with a lot to wear jeans... perhaps you should get a side job at GAP
Rumor has it that because MSFU is having problem recruiting, as of January 1, 2009 the dept will be combining TRU with MSFU to save money, Equiptment and manpower. No more TW.
anonymous said...
Correct me if I'm wrong, but to be able to grieve something, I believe you have to be able to prove you were wronged. How is one patrolman wronged if another gets a perk(Taken Care of). Not saying its right just not something you can grieve?
11/17/2008 02:30:00 AM
COMNE ON, think!! ASK to be on the same 4 hour schedule or whatever. When they say "no", there it is. You have been wronged. If you want to play hardcore, make it a race or gender beef as well... you are gonna get launched, so if you beef and threaten lawsuit, they will probably promote you....
That said, if you want some more advice, SUCK IT UP. LIFE ISN"T FAIR! Many of us aspire to be 'that' po.... and as you have already stated that you have not yet been wronged, then maybe you should realize that a CO WORKER is getting a really really good deal. Maybe someday that will be YOU getting the good deal. My dream is that someday a boss comes in and says something to the effect of "Engleburt, tell ya what... I like you, son, so why don't you work half days from here on out..." please don't crush my dream!!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but to be able to grieve something, I believe you have to be able to prove you were wronged. How is one patrolman wronged if another gets a perk(Taken Care of). Not saying its right just not something you can grieve?
11/17/2008 02:30:00 AM
Unfortunately you ARE wrong. You can only grieve a contract violation that affects you. So for instance a 9 year officer requests a 9 day mini-furlo and gets denied. Than he can grieve it based on the fact that Officer Chunnt was given one. Then sit back and WAIT 2-3 years before the grievance is heard.
The real thing should be send a copy of the a&a's to Pete Brust and whoever is in charge of Auditing and Internal Control, along with Chief Skahill and 1st Deputy Jimmy Jackson.
In a day when they are asking everyone to take unpaid furlo days, this creampuff (with the personality of a carp) ends up getting 16 EXTRA furlo days last year.
The order and the contract are clear. Less than 10 years either gets 24 straight days starting with the 1st day of the period OR 'TWO EQUAL SEGMENTS" (read 12 days each) "beginning on either the 1st or 15th day of the period"
Nowhere does it say she has 24 days to use as she sees fit especially between her days off (on holiday weeks like thanksgiving and christmas).
And she should know since she reads into every order in an effort to fuck with the officers and Sgts.
Oh wait, wasnt Commander T-dubbs and P.O. Chunnts first and second order of buisnesss to 1. kick out the longtime timekeeper (A.O. who testified against TW in a sexual harassment case) and 2. change the locks on the timekeepers door and not give the keys to the admin Sgt or the WC's.
That proves that there is some unethical behavior that they are trying to hide.
HELLO T-DUBBS ENEMIES, ARE YOU OUT THERE. IF YOU NEED COPIES OF HER TIME CARDS LET ME KNOW WHERE TO SEND THEM. EVERYINE IMPORTANT HAS A COPY CHUNNT SO PUT THE WHITEOUT AWAY.
People being taken care of happen in every unit/Dist. Suck it up and move on.
Rumor has it that TRU will be combined with MSFU as of January 1, 2009 to better utilize manpower, equiptment and to solve the low recruitment sign up for MSFU.
Wasnt her FIRST order of buisness to emasculate the Admin Sargent. On the first day she kicked out of his cubicle overlooking the admin staff and put him in an old janitor closet. Then she took his computer, put it on her desk outside the commanders office and put a password on it so only she can access unit reports. Now the Admin Sgt shares a janitors closet with another one of the commanders spies.
ps: dont try to sit in her chair either. She locks it up in the commanders office when she goes home. Is this broad too much or what?
I have had several Honorable Mentions kicked back from her because she didnt feel they were good enough for approval. Same thing with Dept Commandations and CR#'s. She kicks them back "as the commander" and when you question the commander he looks at you like he has NO IDEA what you are talking about. Thats because he doesnt. He lets her come in and run the unit so he can "be on the pager" all day at the health club. Or "at 35th street in a meeting"
"Correct me if I'm wrong, but to be able to grieve something, I believe you have to be able to prove you were wronged. How is one patrolman wronged if another gets a perk(Taken Care of). Not saying its right just not something you can grieve?"
If you have the same amount of time and during your furlough your rdo's counted towards your 22 consecutive day furlough and the other person's didn't???? You asking if they were wronged???? You answered your own question. Everybody with the same time or less in that unit that had their furloughs should put in a grievence.
Why work tact? you are the commanders bitches, thats why you EXIST. You are forced to do what the uniforms wont, and you all take it just so you can look cool in jeans and tshirts. Sounds like a great gig. When you are tact and gang, they can do this. Thats not a bid spot on tact buddy its your CHOICE to be htere. WAKE UP!
018 has Tact/Gang Teams? Don't think so.
Stanley's and John Barleycorn have plenty of Tact Teams, but not 018.
Anonymous said...
Speaking on the TRU Secretary the same thing happens here at HQ's. All the less than 10 year dollies seem to be off a little longer than they should.
Does anyone know what type of vacation the new FeeBees get?
Just curious.
11/17/2008 05:07:00 AM
Heard it from a friend who heard it from a friend:
New Feebee Benefits -
25 (count em) 25 working day furlough - none of the Feebs have one year on yet. PPO's I feel your pain.
365 days medical - PPO's not eligible for this until they have completed their first 12 months of probation.
Exempt Duty Availability - PPO's eligible for this until they have completed their first 12 months of probation.
Free lunches at all of the dinners and luncheons all the exempts free load at. All you district guys and gals think about how Big Bird and his lot is stalking you if you spend an extra 5 at Mickey D's.
Don't have to take the unpaid days because they were not on the payroll effective the first of the year.
I hope someone from the IG's Office reads this blog and looks into this obvious scam these F-ing Feebs are pulling off.
Who the "F" is watching the store while these carpetbaggers walk off with all the goodies.
you mean the admin personnel are getting personal?? nawww QQ
Gang and Tact teams are one of the exceptions to having their hours and days off canceled. Since they are in a district and did not bid, they can pretty much do what they want with them. I don't think they can move them outside of the area they work in, but I'd have to double check that.
Sgts and officers cannot have their hours changed by more than 2 hours and cannot have their days off switched to avoid OT.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but to be able to grieve something, I believe you have to be able to prove you were wronged. How is one patrolman wronged if another gets a perk(Taken Care of). Not saying its right just not something you can grieve?
----It really isn't up to YOU to prove. Your supervisor has to answer your allegation. They have to prove they did things by the contract.
Sgts and officers cannot have their hours changed by more than 2 hours and cannot have their days off switched to avoid OT.
They can on tac/gangs and in units, they are volunterring to work there and the contract does not apply.
anonymous said...
Correct me if I'm wrong, but to be able to grieve something, I believe you have to be able to prove you were wronged. How is one patrolman wronged if another gets a perk(Taken Care of). Not saying its right just not something you can grieve?
11/17/2008 02:30:00 AM
A grievance is an allegation that the contract was violated and the grievant is seeking redress. Like a CR it is an allegation. I don't give a shit if I can prove a grievance, I just file them, proof may or may not come later.
Depending on the issue, the city may deny the grievance or, I have seen, the city grant a grievance carefully stating that this was a one time settlement so it would not become like case law.
If the city goes to arbitration and loses the FOP can then use that issue in future grievances as a precedent. Of course, it works the other way around also.
Better to file a grievance when in doubt, it can always be denied or pulled. If you do not file then once the time limit expires that's it.
I filed on something I could not prove 100% but a look at the total circumstances made the allegation entirely believable and true. The city refused to budge in mediation and now the FOP is taking that issue to arbitration. I now have a 50/50 shot at winning the thing!
Never hold off on filing a grievance because you think you cannot prove something. All sorts of things happen, it is only paper. Go ahead and file.
If your furlough picks were for that period and were out bid and this person now who has less senority gets their furlough for that period you can greve that because you were wronged. Happened to us in special unit and won not only was the person wronged able to get choice furlough beyond alloted 7% per period but given extra time as settlement. Takes a little guts to stand up, to many P/o's afraid to say anything, afraid of getting dumped and sent back to streets.
If this is just time due, first come first served. And they know when the slips have to be in and the cut off margin of people allowd to take time due for holidays. Seems office P/o's always have their slips in first.
Personal days must be in 10 days before date. Nothing in contract says you can't take all personal days at once.
Baby furlough days same as furlough days.
11/17/2008 10:03:00 AM
This has nothing to do with CU, P-days or BFD days. She is taking her 24 day straight furlo and breaking it up as if she was given 24 v-days to use as she pleases. She picked a 9b but didnt take any days in 9b. Instead she uses 5 days between her sat/sun to string together 9 days off (as in a working day mini-furlo)
Do the math, she gets 9 days off times 4 mini-furlos = 36 days off total.
what is a "mini-furlo"? i'm on 19 years and have never heard of it. would that be CU or BFD. how do days off affect it? just asking
11/17/2008 08:53:00 AM
EXACTLY!!!!!! there is no such thing as a "mini-furlo" either you have a full or 2 furlo segments. Not 4 mini-segments which begin and end with your days off. That to me is a working day furlo if you dont have to use vacation days. Besides, with under 10 years you can not split up your days to be used individually. Its either 24 straight days from the 1st day of the period or "two equal segments" (12 days) starting on the 1st or the 15th day of the period. Thats the contract. Nowhere can you split them up into 4 mini-segemnts. Especially on the holidays (which she uses DOH to save a v-day that she isnt entitled to)
"Who the "F" is watching the store while these carpetbaggers walk off with all the goodies.
11/17/2008 05:32:00 PM"
The ones who brought the carpetbaggers here in the first place.
"People being taken care of happen in every unit/Dist. Suck it up and move on.
11/17/2008 12:21:00 PM"
You forgot to mention the 'spit it out' part, or do you swallow every time?
"....please don't crush my dream!!
11/17/2008 12:08:00 PM"
And that's the best you can come up with, in dreamland?
Pity the poor fool.....
Rumor has it that because MSFU is having problem recruiting, as of January 1, 2009 the dept will be combining TRU with MSFU to save money, Equiptment and manpower. No more TW.
because you start out w/ rumor, that justifies your bullshit
The District commander can do what ever he likes just ask Lil' Tommy Bryne(ret.)he placed his whole tactical team involved in Jim MULLIN'S shooting on days as not to run the over time up in his district. Now there is a great friend of the Mayor!!!!
If your furlough picks were for that period and were out bid and this person now who has less senority gets their furlough for that period you can greve that because you were wronged. Happened to us in special unit and won not only was the person wronged able to get choice furlough beyond alloted 7% per period but given extra time as settlement. Takes a little guts to stand up, to many P/o's afraid to say anything, afraid of getting dumped and sent back to streets.
that is not true, had a simular situation happen in a unit. Cmdr C.W. denied my t/f/s requests to rectify the errors, filed a greivance, went all the way to a hearing and the no balls FOP backed the Cmdr because he had his staff lie and said i was at picks. that useless tim phallux, no ball prick, supposed to back us, he was so far up CW's ass. i got royally fucked on that. and they wonder why they aint getting shit out of me fuck em
HUH???? what the hell is a mini furlough??????Do you mean a cu furlough??? It would be a working day cu furlough because you only have to take time for days your supposed to work. If you want to do the same fill out the slips and write a too from. I doubt you have more time than 8 years because you don't seem to know sh!t by the way since when have you had a hard time getting a weekend off? Busy weekends or in the summer put it in a week or so in advance but in 4 years in Tru I have never been denied a weekend even in the summer with proper notice. Oh by the Im not the girl working the desk I work in shit everynight just like everyone else. Get over it!
"You forgot to mention the 'spit it out' part, or do you swallow every time?
11/17/2008 08:44:00 PM"
Like you, I spit it out.
The Truth Detective said...
Anonymous said...
Speaking on the TRU Secretary the same thing happens here at HQ's. All the less than 10 year dollies seem to be off a little longer than they should.
Does anyone know what type of vacation the new FeeBees get?
Just curious.
11/17/2008 05:07:00 AM
Heard it from a friend who heard it from a friend:
New Feebee Benefits -
25 (count em) 25 working day furlough - none of the Feebs have one year on yet. PPO's I feel your pain.
365 days medical - PPO's not eligible for this until they have completed their first 12 months of probation.
Exempt Duty Availability - PPO's eligible for this until they have completed their first 12 months of probation.
Free lunches at all of the dinners and luncheons all the exempts free load at. All you district guys and gals think about how Big Bird and his lot is stalking you if you spend an extra 5 at Mickey D's.
Don't have to take the unpaid days because they were not on the payroll effective the first of the year.
I hope someone from the IG's Office reads this blog and looks into this obvious scam these F-ing Feebs are pulling off.
Who the "F" is watching the store while these carpetbaggers walk off with all the goodies.
11/17/2008 05:32:00 PM
Is this true? Do they really get 25days of vacation immediately upon hiring? Dosen't seem like this is accurate. Has anyone with any knowledge of this checked it out? Inquring minds want to know. I'm a civilian employee who has 8 years with the CPD and I get 18 days a year.
"...I spit it out.
11/18/2008 11:50:00 AM"
Thanks for the spontaneous admission.
HUH???? what the hell is a mini furlough??????Do you mean a cu furlough??? It would be a working day cu furlough because you only have to take time for days your supposed to work. If you want to do the same fill out the slips and write a too from. I doubt you have more time than 8 years because you don't seem to know sh!t by the way since when have you had a hard time getting a weekend off? Busy weekends or in the summer put it in a week or so in advance but in 4 years in Tru I have never been denied a weekend even in the summer with proper notice. Oh by the Im not the girl working the desk I work in shit everynight just like everyone else. Get over it!
11/18/2008 11:20:00 AM
NO dip shit. She takes her furlough days otherwise known as a V-Day(vacation day) and applies them between her days off. Do you get it now? She doesn't take her segment, and applies her v-days(furlough) between her days off. Oh yeah, if your in tru, your either a sgt. or one of the many suckholes that exist over here. To get a weekend off in the summer, you HAVE TO PUT IN A P DAY. IF you do not you will not the get the day off 97% of the time, no matter how much notice you put in. I have put in for non summer weekends months in advance and been denied because I didn't use a P Day. If you tell me those are the rules, then plese remove your lips from Tee Dubs left nut, because that is bullshit. Cu is your time that you worked overtime for, you should be able to use it when you like.
"Thanks for the spontaneous admission.
11/18/2008 09:56:00 PM"
Anytime, Mr. Hoover. You've got great suction.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but to be able to grieve something, I believe you have to be able to prove you were wronged. How is one patrolman wronged if another gets a perk(Taken Care of). Not saying its right just not something you can grieve?
11/17/2008 02:30:00 AM
Unfortunately you ARE wrong. You can only grieve a contract violation that affects you. So for instance a 9 year officer requests a 9 day mini-furlo and gets denied. Than he can grieve it based on the fact that Officer Chunnt was given one. Then sit back and WAIT 2-3 years before the grievance is heard.
The real thing should be send a copy of the a&a's to Pete Brust and whoever is in charge of Auditing and Internal Control, along with Chief Skahill and 1st Deputy Jimmy Jackson.
In a day when they are asking everyone to take unpaid furlo days, this creampuff (with the personality of a carp) ends up getting 16 EXTRA furlo days last year.
The order and the contract are clear. Less than 10 years either gets 24 straight days starting with the 1st day of the period OR 'TWO EQUAL SEGMENTS" (read 12 days each) "beginning on either the 1st or 15th day of the period"
Nowhere does it say she has 24 days to use as she sees fit especially between her days off (on holiday weeks like thanksgiving and christmas).
And she should know since she reads into every order in an effort to fuck with the officers and Sgts.
Oh wait, wasnt Commander T-dubbs and P.O. Chunnts first and second order of buisnesss to 1. kick out the longtime timekeeper (A.O. who testified against TW in a sexual harassment case) and 2. change the locks on the timekeepers door and not give the keys to the admin Sgt or the WC's.
That proves that there is some unethical behavior that they are trying to hide.
HELLO T-DUBBS ENEMIES, ARE YOU OUT THERE. IF YOU NEED COPIES OF HER TIME CARDS LET ME KNOW WHERE TO SEND THEM. EVERYINE IMPORTANT HAS A COPY CHUNNT SO PUT THE WHITEOUT AWAY.
11/17/2008 12:18:00 PM
GEE, GUESS WHO IS TAKING HER 12 STRAIGHT DAY 12B FURLO STARTING TOMORROW. THATS RIGHT P.O. CHUNNT. FUNNY, IF YOU WEREWNT DOING ANYTHING WRONG WHY THE ABOUT FACE. SPEAKING OF FACE, HOW ABOUT THE MUG SHE HAD ON AT FURLO PICKS. IF LOOKS COULD KILL.
O.T
COPIES OF ALL OF THE TIME CARDS AND AN ANNONYMOUS TO-FROM HAVE BEEN SENT TO THE I.G'S OFFICE, THE SUPT, 1ST DEPUTY, TINA SKAHILL, PETE BRUST, ADRIAN STANLEY, AND RON SODINI. NOW THAT EVERYONE KNOWS WHO GOT COPIES, LETS SEE WHO ACTS ON IT AND WHO SHREDS IT. OH YEA, PAUL VOLPE WAS INTERESTED SO I SENT HIM A COPY TOO.
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