Bomb and Arson Disbanded?
From an e-mail (edited slightly for spelling) :
- On Friday, around noon, budget dweebs from city hall told cpd and cfd that OFI would be disbanded. OFI, fire investigators, go on a lot of fires that CPD doesn't have to. It's nice when they pick up the extra load. OROZCO, that fuckin' suck hole, called Daley and at 1530hrs OFI stays and unit 603 is disbanded. Whatever everyone's feelings about bomb and arson, let me tell you that they do a lot and this should piss off any bargaining member.
1) they are eliminating a bid unit during contract negotiations
2) CFD is NOT equipped to investigate criminal fires to COMPLETION. No interviewing skills, law enforcement power, etc...
3) HANG on to your wallets boys and girls because your homeowners insurance will sky rocket!! OFI makes most fires incendiary. Incendiary as defined by the fire marshalls means it is intentionally set. B&A re-classify 80% of those fire to non-criminal. For example, a 6 year old playing with matches, according to CFD is intentional. B&A would re-classify it as accidental.
There are many more reasons why we should be outraged.
Final meeting is today where B&A can plead its case.
Labels: department issues, rumors
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
149 Comments:
Who cares. A cush, phone call unit. And when these guys come on scene, they strut around like peacocks.
Is that why Mr Cmdr Bea was laterally moved from B&A to FAU last year? It didnt seem to make sense because he was in B&A forever and loved it. Got to believe they had a heads up about this possible happening.
ITZ AL HAREJ FAULT!
HE HAD TO MAKE FUN OF R PROTEIN CARB LOADING LEADER AT CITY HALL!
J-FED IS VICIOUS
Years ago, there were Det's Detailed or Assigned to OFI/CFD (Or what ever it was back then) as Arson Investigators. I don’t know about the Bomb Tech’s. It might happen again. Who knows, and at this unfortunate point, (Outside of B&A) who cares?
Bomb & A being disbanded!?!?
Bet the housecats are scared. To the Areas where they go from someone special to no one special. May have to go out on that nasty thing called "The Street."
May have to take a "Case Load" for a change.
And...oh God...work a full tour.
Oh the horrors Oh the humanity!!!
Sounds like there is going to be some Greek Lightning. Hermes leave us alone in Chicago!
great, lets let untrained people investigate major crimes...wait, sorry already doing that.
This smells like bullshit. OFI can't charge with arson due to it being a crime and they arn't LE and who is going to play with the bombs?
Heard that A3 is going to be absorbed into A5. Also heard the DD is ordering four vans equipped with desks and video equipment to capture witness statements in the field. One van to each remaining area. In the near future they hope to have ASAs assigned to each van for on scene witness interviews. Murders and police shootings only.
how can you disband b & a in this day and age, if anything it should be expanding
Don't mean this to be confrontational at all, but what do the guys at B&A do?
I've been on for about 7 years, handled tons of house and car fires and have not seen them out on the scene ever. I always see the OFI guys from fire and when they tell me it was an arson, i call B&A and they tell me "ok, just fax your case report over when it's done."
Is their job more like detective work, where they look over the paper work and then go from there? Just wondering. I'm sure the guys over there do work hard, but maybe it's b/c they aren't really seen out there at the fires and such that Daley/Jody think it's not an important position.
Ten hour days SUCK! GOD I can't wait to get something else....
I am a former Bomb and Arson detective. I started in Bomb and Arson in 1979 when the unit first expanded. In the first few years we kicked ass and locked up many arsonists. The fire dept. was upset that the police were investigating fires. They could no longer cover up for their stupid mistakes and criminal involvement. We solved many arson for profit cases. The insurance industry payouts for arson for profit fires dropped by almost 50% after the first three years of the new unit. The new unit consisted of police officers only. Firemen did not investigate fires at all. During the course of our investigations we locked up a few firemen who were arsonists. The investigations of several other cases revealed that firemen were involved in arson for profit schemes, however we could not bring enough evidence to lock them up. We worked in a federal task force and were very successful there. If fact one of our investigations involved a fire captain that had torched a boat and was running whores out of home. This guy was the head of the fire depts. IAD. He was locked by the feds. My experience with firemen investigating fires are that they are completely ignorant of any proper procedures for conducting investigations. After the fire dept. takes over investigating fires there will be an increase in arson for profit cases and most of them will be unsolved. You're right SCC insurance rates will go up and there will be more scandals.
Question:
Does a state of emergency have to be declared before we know we have an emergency?
Sounds like we are under an un-declared consent decree. Eliminating units without consultation or representation by bargaining units IS a power granted under consent degrees
does that mean every detective will have to go thru training like the arson detectives did? guess what j fed will bring some fed in, pay him a lot, and do more training. good more detectives of the street.
those of you who think b/a do nothing, i was at the scene of the Holy Name fire, there was a b/a crawling around in all that soot and mess looking for cause of origin, do u think some $1,000 suit detective will do that? doubt it. Another nice move, u want to get rid of someone, get rid of the useless house cats at 35th, oh wait u said u would do that, another lie!!!
Hey 1:32 A:M You have been on almost 7 years and you say you have handled TONS of car and house fires. WAKE UP KID the only thing you handle is your pud while driving around listening to other zones on the radio and dreaming you are there. Get some time on the job !!!
THE CPD IS COMING TO AN END!!!GEE WHATS NEXT???? HOW ABOUT THE OVER 15 MAN NO DIVERSITY SGTS PAY MAYOR'S DETAIL THATS FULL OF CLOUT!!!
Bye bomb and arson and good riddance!!!! A unit of the heavy clout and total do nothings!!!! Most fires are suspicious in nature and should be reported as such.
I would say back to the beat cars for these cowards but we all know these useless fucks will land on their feet in Gang Intel, Vice, or some other cushy spot.
Well maybe he’s counting on his buddy, William Ayers, being happy and won’t bomb anything since the Messiah is now the Pres., but if were not completely converted over to the socialist agenda in the next 2 years… look out, then Bomb and Arson will be back in business.
Next up on the chopping block: the marine unit.
p.s. I know there is an application for the unit, but shortshanks doesn't care about that.
old timer. you are right. there will be a ton of arson for profit by firefighters now that the police are out of the equation. it is similar to all the corrupt police because they are investigated by police.
sarcasm intended.
No surprise. It's a unit chock full of a-holes and whiners. Good riddance.
HANG on to your wallets boys and girls because your homeowners insurance will sky rocket!!
You sound like the president with his scare tactics.
We all know b&a goes to a fire takes some shitty photos then they throw some debris in a can WE CAN TRAIN 20 MONKEYS TO DO THAT.
Those of you that are blaming J-Fed, read the original post again. "Budget dweebs from City Hall...". That's who you should be blaming, not J-Fed. I hate him as much as anybody but this is all Daley's doing. Further evidence that Daley runs this Department, not J-Fed. And if you allow him to do this, what next? The Marine Unit? ERRPS? Canine? The Range? What about the SWAT Team? My point is when does it stop? Why is ANYBODY from outside this Department allowed to tell anybody within it what unit should stay and what unit should go? Tha decision should be the job of the Superintendent, not somebody from City Hall!This is not a legitimate Police Department and it never will be because of Daley. It is now being run by civilians who don't know the first thing about Police work. Weis, Bruest, O'Keefe, the list goes on and on.Until Daley is gone, NOTHING WILL CHANGE! You could put Mickey Mouse in as Superintendent and it wouldn't matter.
This is the typical way the City of Chicago operates it's Police Department. In a day and age when terrorism is a main priority, in a day and age when bombs are a real possibility, what do we do? We eliminate the one unit that is equipped to investigate or defuse explosive devices. Think about it. The next time you recieve a call of a suspicious package, who is going to respond?
If this City and it's political leaders were serious about solving or reducing crime they would ensure that it's Police Department was well trained, well staffed and well equipped. It's obvious however that they are not serious and there is no better example of how they are not serious than this. If they were serious and really did need to reduce the budget, what would a POLICEMAN eliminate? The CAPS program of course. That program which accomplishes NOTHING costs the City appx. 5 million dollars a year AT A MINIMUM! But because non-police personel are running this Department, rather than get rid of a unit that does nothing other than employ the otherwise un-employable and provide a hiding place for those that are afraid to work the street, they get rid of a major investigative unit of the Police Department.
I guarantee you this would NEVER,EVER happen in a real Police Department. Never! But because we are NOT a real Police Department this is what happens. When other Departments across this nation hear about this, we will be an even bigger laughing stock.
I'm almost at the end of my career. One year left to go. I've been blessed to work with some of the finest human beings and Police Officer this country has ever produced. And I've never been more ashamed than I am now. Between the Daleys, Abbattes, the O'Callaghans,the Finnegans and the misfits that now run this Police Department I am embarrassed to tell anybody what I do for a living. In appx 365 days I will pull the pin and never look back. The Chicago Police Department USED to be one of the premier Police Departments in the world. Not any more. It is a shell of what it used to be. And it is because of those people I mentioned. When I think of the people that served before me and with me, I'm proud. When I think of what the future holds for those that serve now and will come after me I just shake my head and wish them well. I sincerely hope that things can be turned around. But I doubt it. At least not in Daleys lifetime.
1 less commander and more detectives in the area where needed
good job boss
Here is a little story about our genious arson investigators. In about 1989 I was storing a car at a relatives house on the side of the garage. Drove one car in the winter and one in the summer. I always switched the battery, so the one being stored didnt have one (nobody could steal it). I went on vacation, and when I came back I found out the car was torched. My mother with the keys, met with the detectives. Their 5 minute investigation said it was electrical. I had an idea who set it on fire, and years later found this out to be true. The dets. had the keys and didnt even bother to look under the hood and see that there was no battery. This could not have happened to a better bunch of arrogant imbiciles.
Ten hour days SUCK! GOD I can't wait to get something else....
2/10/2009 01:44:00 AM
Look here retard. I've been OFF 8 of the last 12 days. This week I work 4 days and then Im off another 4days. If you can't dig that then you can't be helped so end it now.
Anonymous said...
Who cares. A cush, phone call unit. And when these guys come on scene, they strut around like peacocks.
2/10/2009 12:07:00 AM
HI HATER!!!
fires should be investigated by the fire department.
this is not a terrible idea when there are huge budget issues to deal with.
I have a little more time than 7 years and have dealt with b&a numerous times. You may still not be on scene when they come to investigate or even know that one is dressed like a bum walking the alleys trying to catch someone that is setting fires in a neighborhood. There are dogs in every district and unit, but know this is not the unit to get rid of!
Hmmmm...what was the only crime Jody said was on the rise last year? Oh yeah, arson. Hmmm...
ATF will be working with CFD on arson cases so the B&A guys can concentrate more on their handouts!
That's total bullshit considering one of the OFI guys fing coaches baseball now Mt. Carmel baseball during working hours. He is in uniform and in the city car. He flies to LA to be a baliff on a court TV show. He took that nice retirement job away from some old CFD. He is a selfish prick.
This should be placed under rumors. That is just what this is....
Good those guys can grab a car get a good horror movie on there DVD player and join everybody else.
nice try ..... I especially like how this clown tries to get the rank and file all riled up by implying "homeowners insurance is going to skyrocket!" and then implies some mickey mouse bullshit reasoning... BOO FUCKING HOO!!! So a bunch of do nothing, crabby, miserable, wouldnt-lift-a-finger-to-help-anyone-but-themselves dick wads may have to actually WORK for a living and will aleviate some of the manpower crunch??? THEN IM ALL FOR IT!!! FIREMEN DEAL WITH FIRES So no, I do not give a shit about the clout heavy phone call making bomb and arson... As a matter of fact, I think I speak for many when I say GOOD RIDDANCE!@!!
hannel 32 Foz had a special on the 9oo news yesterday it was a bout the off duty murder of the S0s officer in his home parking lot. The story was filled with lies and scandal. basically the news was making up the news again. They basically blamed his death on Cpd saying one of us killed him, because of S0S and then they showed mugshots of the arrested S0S officers. The media is disgusting, there is no fact based to 99 percent of the enws anymore, its all tabloid, what if's.
Hate to say it guys...I dont feel sorry for them at all!!..Most of the time anyway OFI and the ASA'S office do an end around them anyway.They are a bunch of HEAVY HITTIN political hacks anyway THAT TRUST ME...DONT DO SHIT!! I have been at homan square for years...they dont do anything...and ask any beat car citywide that has called them with real incidents...they blow it off everytime...so on this one guys...i dont feel sorry for any of them.
Someone has been watching Backdraft, maybe next he can watch Starsky and Hutch and we can get some really cool looking police cars we can take home because it blends in and nobody knows your the police.
This smells like bullshit. OFI can't charge with arson due to it being a crime and they arn't LE and who is going to play with the bombs?
We'll just have OFI/CFD telling us what to classify the fire as. Don't need to be LE to tell someone what to do.
Anonymous said...
Ten hour days SUCK! GOD I can't wait to get something else....
2/10/2009 01:44:00 AM
it the hours they picked. HORRIBLE. Kills side jobas and family time.
Anonymous said...
does that mean every detective will have to go thru training like the arson detectives did? guess what j fed will bring some fed in, pay him a lot, and do more training. good more detectives of the street.
smarter than he looks, eh?
I read that Santa Cruz, CA is disbanding their K-9.
I think as the economy tanks there is coming LOTS of belt tightening.
The dept really has no choice but to streamline and staff only essential police functions.
Off Topic
http://ammunitionaccountability.org/Legislation.htm
I am a former Bomb and Arson detective. I started in Bomb and Arson in 1979 when the unit first expanded. In the first few years we kicked ass and locked up many arsonists. The fire dept. was upset that the police were investigating fires. They could no longer cover up for their stupid mistakes and criminal involvement. We solved many arson for profit cases. The insurance industry payouts for arson for profit fires dropped by almost 50% after the first three years of the new unit. The new unit consisted of police officers only. Firemen did not investigate fires at all. During the course of our investigations we locked up a few firemen who were arsonists. The investigations of several other cases revealed that firemen were involved in arson for profit schemes, however we could not bring enough evidence to lock them up. We worked in a federal task force and were very successful there. If fact one of our investigations involved a fire captain that had torched a boat and was running whores out of home. This guy was the head of the fire depts. IAD. He was locked by the feds. My experience with firemen investigating fires are that they are completely ignorant of any proper procedures for conducting investigations. After the fire dept. takes over investigating fires there will be an increase in arson for profit cases and most of them will be unsolved. You're right SCC insurance rates will go up and there will be more scandals.
2/10/2009 02:12:00 AM
I agree with some of what you stated. However, "Arson-for-Profit” is no longer. Not because you did such a great job investigating arson. It stopped and will not reoccur because insurance companies will no longer let you insure a building for more than it’s replacement value, hence no profit. Insurance companies have been doing this for at least 20 some years maybe more. So no worry of arson for profit.
I saw a few tee shirts today in a bucktown store, front and center for all to see, that read "CPD-so easy a 14 year old can do it" and right next to it one that read C*zzi got caught--get over it!" and the back was an image of a CPD beating a guy in a wheel chair... the third was an image of a copper wearing the checkerboard hat but sporting a Hitler mustache... the caption read "CPD--enough said" and the worst one was a take on our CPD memorial shirt... the front had a broken police star on it and the caption read "CPD--we will never forget!" and the back, in a style of the memorial shirt had the same broken star with names of every cop who has ever been in the news for any corruption/wrongdoings! From Burge, to the Austin 7, to Abatte, to Cozzi, etc etc (some names I didnt even recognize!) it was quite shameful!
a couple hippy wannabe beat knicks were getting a good laugh... It was quite embarrassing! The real kick is that all proceeds are being donated to the Center for the Wrongfully Convicted! What a joke we have become! Time to move on!
PO's making Sgt's pay, Sgt's making Lt or Capt pay, take home cars, short days, clout rules, why should I care?
I work days on a beat car, it has taken me years to get it worked out to where I like it now leave me alone.
I think many people are missing the point. I'm a dog-ass working the street in a district for 24 yrs but am STILL furious. I will never get into a unit like that, but this shit the city is trying to pull is ridiculous!! Whether this on it's face affects you, in the long run it affects ALL of us! The city is running roughshod over us with no regards to the contract. This will be another shot to the already sinking morale in this department. Give them an inch they'll take 10 miles. This nonsense has got to stop, and whether you're working a beat car in 007 or 011, you should be pissed. This is the city's way of gradually trying to have complete reign over us.
BE SAFE!
SCC, is it just me, or do we have a glimpse into Chicago's future, here ?
Daley "leases out" the Skyway, the City parking lots, the City parking meters, the Red Light Cameras and a transaction for Midway Airport is in the works. What's next ? Could there be plans as well for O'Hare? Soldier Field? McCormack Place?
Then the Police Dept. gets a makeover with a side goal to cut costs. Enter Jody Weis. First he establishes just who is running things by his massacre of the clouted Exempts. Next, he kicks the rank and file in the teeth by going after Cozzi. The clouted are now shaking in their boots. Only the ACTUAL friends of Daley himself can survive this guy.
Then there are these Police Dept rumors:
Shutting down Bomb & Arson, freeing up manpower and perhaps allowing an age old Outfit crime, arson for profit, to re-establish itself.
Shutting down CPD's Training Division freeing up manpower with the exception of the needed personnel to keep doing in-service stuff to keep the Federal money coming in. As seen in your comments, this could also reduce some liability issues that currently exist, and shift them to the County or State.
Shutting down one of the five remaining Detective Division Areas. Area 5 changes its designation to Area 3 and absorbs the lower caseload of the rest of the Northside districts from former Area 3. Again, this frees up additional manpower.
Shutting down two police districts has been discussed here many times before, and regardless of which ones they may be, the design is the same, freeing up more personnel.
The writing seems to be on the wall in this City and its just a matter of time till it all becomes reality. Cut costs and don't spend ! Not the time to hope for a nice raise in salary in an FOP negotiated contract !
Chicago 2016, here we come !
I'm calling BS on this one.
Absolutely will never happen. Bomb Tech training is funded with Federal dollars as is most "training" on this job.
The city won't ever give up federal funds. What do they care about any unit as long as the federal check comes every month?
More importantly, they don't save any money by disbanding it. Everyone still gets paid, they just work in a different place.
Total BS.
does that mean every detective will have to go thru training like the arson detectives did? guess what j fed will bring some fed in, pay him a lot, and do more training. good more detectives of the street.
those of you who think b/a do nothing, i was at the scene of the Holy Name fire, there was a b/a crawling around in all that soot and mess looking for cause of origin, do u think some $1,000 suit detective will do that? doubt it. Another nice move, u want to get rid of someone, get rid of the useless house cats at 35th, oh wait u said u would do that, another lie!!!
2/10/2009 07:04:00 AM
$1000 suits? More like Cosmo's 3 for $300.
"A cush, phone call unit"
Getting to go inside a building that just burned, still smelling of combustion of who knows what, water running down on you from upper levels,(hope Con-Ed cut the juice), stepping over rubble, digging thru the debris trying to find a crime scene after the fire department broke all the drywall, smashed all the windows, threw all the furniture out into the yard. (Hope they didn't plant anything) All the more fun when its below zero and the wind is howling.
Car fires: do you love the smell of burnt plastic? All those carcinogenic vapors you are inhaling?
If it was a fatal, hoping the fire department did not disregard your instructions NOT to remove the body. Nothing like getting to the scene of a fatal fire (which might be a crime scene) and find out that the victim's body has already been pronounced at the hospital.
As for the Fire Department calling it an arson, take that with a ton of salt. Ask them "why is it an arson?" (That makes it a crime scene-which must be protected).
When they say "arson" they mean "fire caused by human action." Police say arson, it is a specific crime.
Firemen know how to put fires out. Some know how to start them. As for criminal investigation, they are out of their league.
So make your phone call....
If they want to cancel all of these units because they feel its non-essential thats fine. The guys from B&A should say fuck the department and city and when an arson does happen let it get all fucked up. Who cares?
Richie and JPUD obviously want to fuck with us in the interests of "saving money" so when something big happens let it fall back on them. Let non-qualified people do the investigation. Don't worry you guys will be fine, its the citizens who are going to be hurt by this one, but don't worry about them they mindlessly elect these democratic party machine dictators every election so they, the City of Shitcago and the police department can reep what they sow.
OFFTOPIC ST.PATS IRAQ PEACE MARCH IS ON! LOOK FOR TONS OF OVERTIME ON 14 MAR 09 AND BRING YOUR RIOT HELMET FOR THE ROUDY MCs-SEMPER FI
BOMB & ARSON TO GO DOWN IN FLAMES (bad sense of humor)
Many people have no idea what B&A does. This is due to lack of training on the departments behalf. What else is new...
B & A is only assigned to criminal related fires or the ones that OFI wants to blow off.
There is plenty of work to do at B & A. One of the biggest problems is lack of arrests. This is a result of a strangle hold on overtime which was established under a previous commander who has since retired. New commnaders that came in needed to continue this strangle hold.
The unit developed a negative reputation because of a couple of chronic complainers. These people caused the unit to be despised by Management and the FOP. Part of the problem was that previous management cultivated a sense of bad moral. Then some lazy people who were trouble makers made it to the unit. Any Detective that wanted to work would eventually see that overtime was an issue so cases were suspended and detective were placed back into the lineup to process the next fire. Told to investigate their cases but stimied due to O/T.
As far as work goes these guys work there asses off. In the extreme cold of the winter to the extreme heat of the summer. They are exposed to damgerous conditions and lord knows what kind of toxic vapors.
As far as necessity, it is there. Most of the OFI investigators would have no clue as to how to conduct a criminal investigation. To disband B & A would do the citizens of this city a big disservice.
Think about it... A city this size and we have no auto theft unit. Now they think that the citizens don't need a Bomb and Arson Unit.
Granted things could be reorganized but I will say that we need Bomb and Arson more then we need OFI. OFI has initail jurisdiction of all fires until they feel it is possibly criminal in nature. A great example is the 5 year old that was playing with matches. This is an example in which OFI calls out B & A (waste of time) or when OFI investigates a garage fire and calls it an arson because they discover a gas can (in close proximity to a lawn mower or snow blower). Another waste of time.
The leaders of CFD are fighting hard to keep OFI alive. Most of the investigators from OFI are gobbling up all sort of O/T plus many work for insurance companies on the side (investigating fires). Contrary to popular rumor B & A guys don't.
All I say is don't fuck the citizen of this fine city because there are plenty of criminal fires that need proper closure.
O.T.
What female LT was locked in the woman's bathroom at Homan Square and cannot get out. They had to break the door down? She was in the gym working out.
After the 2016 Olympics, all those Olympic structures and buildings will be "accidentally" razed to make way for commercial development. No need for any midnight bulldozers.
I thought the investigators at OFI did have police powers to an extent but there was a cap placed on it due to the B&A squad. Last time I saw OFI at a fire they mentioned that they are able to carry a firearm, however Daley wont allow firearms in the firehouses. Maybe if OFI was able to carry, the investigator that was shot last year in 004 investigating a garage fire would have been able to defend himself rather than standing in a high drug area like a sitting duck. If B&A is really eliminated, I hope to god the members of OFI get serious training from the CPD and that they are able to start to carry if that is what the law allows them to do as fire marshals. Either way I hope all of these quick fixes don't come back to bite the city in the ass.
OT:10 hour days sux.4 and 2 is the way to go
CFD thru OFI hides their mistakes by calling too many fatal fires arson with no proof (i.e. 69 W. Washington).
The next group to be disbanded will be the Patrol Division and all the 25 districts. TRU and MSF will handle all the calls for service. We will all be reassigned to 35th street for Building Security and Checking the ID's of all 14 year olds reporting for duty.
I think you are wrong, Fire Investigators can make arrests. Remember Robert DeNiro in "Backdraft? He even carried a gun.
Found this really great sushi restaurant today.
01FEB09/0001ish. At Lawrence/Leavitt a guy pulled a fake gun on two off-duty coppers. Bad guy in jail. Coppers ok.
HANG on to your wallets boys and girls because your homeowners insurance will sky rocket!! OFI makes most fires incendiary. Incendiary as defined by the fire marshalls means it is intentionally set. B&A re-classify 80% of those fire to non-criminal. For example, a 6 year old playing with matches, according to CFD is intentional. B&A would re-classify it as accidental.
THE LITTLE BOY THAT CRIED WOLF.
The det. are still going to get these cases, we did this so we didnt have to make another det. class these det's will be assigned to all 5 area's or will make a north/south.
Ten hour days......the best thing to hit this department since Jane Byrne. Ten Hour Days - 52 days more days that I don't have to go to work. Love it!
fireman arrested in 007 for impersonating the police worked in station at 127th and doty
CPD tee shirts said...
I saw a few tee shirts today in a bucktown store, front and center for all to see, that read "CPD-so easy a 14 year old can do it" and right next to it one that read C*zzi got caught--get over it!" and the back was an image of a CPD beating a guy in a wheel chair... the third was an image of a copper wearing the checkerboard hat but sporting a Hitler mustache... the caption read "CPD--enough said" and the worst one was a take on our CPD memorial shirt... the front had a broken police star on it and the caption read "CPD--we will never forget!" and the back, in a style of the memorial shirt had the same broken star with names of every cop who has ever been in the news for any corruption/wrongdoings! From Burge, to the Austin 7, to Abatte, to Cozzi, etc etc (some names I didnt even recognize!) it was quite shameful!
a couple hippy wannabe beat knicks were getting a good laugh... It was quite embarrassing! The real kick is that all proceeds are being donated to the Center for the Wrongfully Convicted! What a joke we have become! Time to move on!
2/10/2009 12:17:00 PM
Please give more info! What's the address where these t shirts are for sale. Please post asap
As someone said the worst thing is they are getting rid of a bid position. sure there are some merit hacks there, like almost everywhere, but taking away bids is screwing with our contractual rights.
If you want to get rid of someone, get rid of the hate crimes unit, absolutely useless and all political spots, all they do is parallel the investigations of the detectives at the area.
I love reading about some of you guys ripping on B and A. It amazes me to no end how fast some of you guys rip on Detectives when you have no idea what they do. Some of you, not the Majority, act like working a Beat car qualifies you for everything. I love it when guys I know make Detective than I talk to them 6 months later and they are pulling their hair out and had no idea what the job was about. All of us Dets worked a Beat car before making Dick. We know you are treated like $hit by the Dept. Take it out on those who deserve it. Trust me, the upper rank loves to see POs and Dets fighting. Don't fall into that trap.
watch yourselves boys the SS are probing skinny male white with southern acent short hair clean cut
how could you get rid of a unit that investigates and handles bomb threats and arson now that we are the #1 target in the country for terrorist activity (Prez's hometown) and that taxpayer nightmare that lil' Dick keeps pushing for in 2016? Does anyone remember the summer games in Atlanta. We truely are an embarassing City/department.
Well when we get bombarded by those crazy terrorists we can blame no one other then our king Richie Daley.
2/10/2009 03:04:00 PM
State fire marshalls ARE the POLICE. they are usually with the arson dogs
They bit themselves in the ass by saying " just fax us a copy". remember AUTO THEFT UNIT they also thought like that, you would have someone in custody and call them and they would say " just fax a copy".
So there you have it.
If true, it's on.
No play for the 3 movie a day wonders.
How about trimming the number of engines?
What are there, 100 fires a year? Double the ambulances and cut half the firemen. The other half can be volunteers.
Anonymous said...
Ten hour days SUCK! GOD I can't wait to get something else....
2/10/2009 01:44:00 AM
it the hours they picked. HORRIBLE. Kills side jobas and family time.
You are a moron. First, you can't spell. Second, all those extra days off to spend with your family. Third, make some arrests instead of being a slug and you will make plenty of money in court. More than you will make working some crappy side job.
Look. I hate to see anyone get bounced like this, but don't forget who worked in that unit. People with phone calls. Only.
You act like they are there because they are good investigators. It's because they know people.
OFI, if given the training that other Fire Dept. OFI units get in other cities(albeit, a big if)they will do just fine.
Instead of constantly being appalled at the movements that are happening, we should focus on not looking like dirtbags in public. Nobody is making mud-slinging t-shirts towards the CFD.
They can be pompous pussies at times.
A centralized federal agency is likely to take over those investigations.
Anonymous said...
how can you disband b & a in this day and age, if anything it should be expanding
2/10/2009 12:53:00 AM
Can you say, TSA.
Anonymous said...
Question:
Does a state of emergency have to be declared before we know we have an emergency?
Sounds like we are under an un-declared consent decree. Eliminating units without consultation or representation by bargaining units IS a power granted under consent degrees
2/10/2009 06:05:00 AM
Our bargaining agents are powerless. You can thank shortshanks for this ocult Fed takeover.
"So no worry of arson for profit.
2/10/2009 11:45:00 AM"
For a guy posting on a cop blog you're not too bright, or honest.
Profit from arsons is gained in many ways, with the actual rebuilding of the damaged property being the exception, not the rule.
Even when the insurance payment is used to rebuild, what the property owner gains is obvious, ie., a newly built piece of real property, likely worth more than the original property damaged by the arson.
More often, the property owner chooses to take the money and not rebuild the damaged/destroyed property, thus converting what was likely a less valuable piece of real property into cash and still retaining ownership of the land upon which the arson damaged/destroyed property once stood.
Further, if an insurer fails to reduce the coverage amount of depreciated property, thus reducing the premium, a property owner whose real property is insured for more than it's current fair market value will profit from said property's destruction. And still retain ownership of the land.
A property owner colluding with an insurance agent can maintain the overvalued policy for whatever period of time it would take to have the property destroyed by arson.
Also, how many times in the last, say, 20 years, have we seen historic properties, located upon land whose value far exceeds the value of said structures, somehow get themselves destroyed by fire, quickly torn down under the auspices of being a 'public hazard', thus eliminating the possibility of a thorough investigation of the true cause of the fire, and then, thus freed from the constraints of the historical structure, utilized for great gain via the sale of the land or the construction of a far more profitable structure?
So, no worries, you say?
You must be one of those guys who own one of those properties whose destruction via arson will gain you much profit.
JODY'S JOB IS TO DISMANTLE, HUMILIATE, AND TARNISH THE CPD IMAGE OF THIS WHOLE DEPT BEFORE HE RESIGNS, AND HE'S DOIN IT AT DICKS EXPENSE. *MEDIA ALERT* ASK JODY ABOUT HIS SALARY FOR SUPERINTENDENT AND 911 CENTER WHICH HAS BEEN TAKEN OVER BY OROZCO. THE FEDS KNOW ABOUT DICK AND IF HE TAKES CARE OF ONE OF THE FED BUDDIES HE STAYS OUT OF THE LIMELIGHT AND OUT OF JAIL! TO BE CONT!!!
Next up on the chopping block: the marine unit.
p.s. I know there is an application for the unit, but shortshanks doesn't care about that.
2/10/2009 08:01:00 AM
THE MAYOR ALREADY TRIED THIS. THE U.S. COAST GUARD RESPONDED BY SAYING: NO POLICE BOATS=NO FIREWORKS. This was when navy pier was hoppin'. Now Navy Pier is kind of slow in the summer, so who knows.
Stay safe brothers
fire investigtors ALWAYS call a second fire in a building an arson...why???to cover their boss who did not make sure the initial fire was OUT...big deal ...again..city incompetence...
The next time you recieve a call of a suspicious package, who is going to respond?
A city bomb dog. And that will also depend on whether it's transportation related. TSA has been beefing up their bomb detection K9 units.
I wish I was a bosses wife like a certain someone who works in headquarters. Then I can get as much overtime I want a period!!!! Even when there is supposed to be a cut of overtime throughout the rest of the department.
LONG LIVE THE ROMAN EMPIRE!!!!!
Must be nice not to have to follow the rules that don't allow husbands/wives to work on the same watch or in the office. Especially when one is a boss.
To any dip-shit saying firemen cannot make arrests...read ILLINOIS LAW...OFI investgators are certified ILLINOIS FIRE MARSHALLS...they can carry a badge and arrest an asshole....
OT...laughing my a** off! Jody on Fox News bragging about murders being down 50% in January. Think maybe, just maybe, it had something to do with the record cold and snow?? What a tool
I saw a few tee shirts today in a bucktown store, front and center for all to see, that read "CPD-so easy a 14 year old can do it" and right next to it one that read C*zzi got caught--get over it!" and the back was an image of a CPD beating a guy in a wheel chair... the third was an image of a copper wearing the checkerboard hat but sporting a Hitler mustache... the caption read "CPD--enough said" and the worst one was a take on our CPD memorial shirt... the front had a broken police star on it and the caption read "CPD--we will never forget!" and the back, in a style of the memorial shirt had the same broken star with names of every cop who has ever been in the news for any corruption/wrongdoings! From Burge, to the Austin 7, to Abatte, to Cozzi, etc etc (some names I didnt even recognize!) it was quite shameful!
a couple hippy wannabe beat knicks were getting a good laugh... It was quite embarrassing! The real kick is that all proceeds are being donated to the Center for the Wrongfully Convicted! What a joke we have become! Time to move on!
2/10/2009 12:17:00 PM
Address please!!!!!!!!!!
Chicago is tops on the misery meter.
Thanks Dick D.
It was quite embarrassing! The real kick is that all proceeds are being donated to the Center for the Wrongfully Convicted! What a joke we have become! Time to move on!
2/10/2009 12:17:00 PM
WOW!!! anyone from 014 needs to get a set and figure a way to fuck with these clowns! Hippies have way too much freedom these days!!
Daley is coming after the police and fire. They wasted all they could, they mismanaged depts like police and Sts and San in order to privitize and now they are coming after the workers.
Daley will destroy the rest of this city before 2011 when he appoints Ron Huberman as mayor protempore.
If you cannot see the future appointment coming, you need to open your eyes.
DALEY and friends are a train wreck coming.
Get rid of the Mounted Unit. Get some jeeps and burros and some illegals to ride them in parades.
Found this really great sushi restaurant today.
2/10/2009 04:56:00 PM
Now that is some good use of time.
When given lemons...
Anonymous said...
To any dip-shit saying firemen cannot make arrests...read ILLINOIS LAW...OFI investgators are certified ILLINOIS FIRE MARSHALLS...they can carry a badge and arrest an asshole....
2/10/2009 09:16:00 PM
And where do they do the arrest report? At the Fire Academy? Do they call felony review and carryt he cases through court? Just wondering.
So make your phone call....
2/10/2009 12:50:00 PM
You're kidding right....
I'd bet my years salary that 75% of the det's assigned would JUMP on that opportunity in a second. Nice try but lets face it every squirrel is tryin to get a nut out here and most everyone would jump at the opportunity for D3. There are plenty of units that do much dirtier work than you and get NOTHING for it so since you are obviously very limber from patting yourself on the back for working in such deplorable conditions baybe when you are done you can blow yourself.
Hey SCC, just curious....if this rumor is true would the officers still get their D3 pay? I know of a guy that was a guy dumped out of Marine unit working in a D1 unit that was still getting D2 pay.
Just askin
Anonymous said...
The next time you recieve a call of a suspicious package, who is going to respond?
2/10/2009 08:48:00 PM
I will call for the fire department and retreat a safe distance.
Look at New York City which is fielding a very professional police department complete with a real Intelligence Unit that actually does counter terrorism work.
Compare that with our own Intelligence Unit which is still looking for Jimmy Hoffa. This is a Police Department that couldn't find a jewel theft ring run by it's own Chief of Detectives.
Anonymous said...
I'm calling BS on this one.
Absolutely will never happen. Bomb Tech training is funded with Federal dollars as is most "training" on this job.
The city won't ever give up federal funds. What do they care about any unit as long as the federal check comes every month?
More importantly, they don't save any money by disbanding it. Everyone still gets paid, they just work in a different place.
Total BS.
2/10/2009 12:38:00 PM
As was stated in another comment, the B&A dics used to be detailed to OFI to perform the law enforcement duties of the unit. That continues their services and keeps the Federal dollars coming in.
Yes, everybody still gets paid, but now the supervisors and administrative people can be redeployed, reducing the need to hire PPO's or to promote Dics, Sgts or Lts. Any of these old timers or desk people not interested in returning to the workforce may retire, allowing the city to hire 2 PPO's for the same salary. So it really is a win-win for the City.
Heard they were going to legalize weed, crack, powder, and heroin and get rid of NAGIS and GIS and every other BIS unit at Homan Square. B&A is just the beginning. I say go for it.
Get rid of the Mounted Unit. Get some jeeps and burros and some illegals to ride them in parades.
2/10/2009 09:46:00 PM
That is hilarious good one..
Lets all sell each other out, survival of the fittest should be our new motto. We have become a bunch of hacks and I am happy to retire and get away from the "new" police.
What female LT was locked in the woman's bathroom at Homan Square and cannot get out. They had to break the door down? She was in the gym working out.
2/10/2009 02:35:00 PM
Yessirree bob it was none other than Evil G. She was unclothed and stuck on the shitter like Danny Glover. They made it a hbt incident and blew her off the can. She hit the ceiling and now somethings wrong with her noggin.
10 HOUR DAYS RULE. 52 MORE DAYS OFF A YEAR AND 416 HOURS SAVED ON THE BOOKS. GET A CLUE....
Anonymous said...
I saw a few tee shirts today in a bucktown store, front and center for all to see, that read "CPD-so easy a 14 year old can do it" and right next to it one that read C*zzi got caught--get over it!" and the back was an image of a CPD beating a guy in a wheel chair... the third was an image of a copper wearing the checkerboard hat but sporting a Hitler mustache... the caption read "CPD--enough said" and the worst one was a take on our CPD memorial shirt... the front had a broken police star on it and the caption read "CPD--we will never forget!" and the back, in a style of the memorial shirt had the same broken star with names of every cop who has ever been in the news for any corruption/wrongdoings! From Burge, to the Austin 7, to Abatte, to Cozzi, etc etc (some names I didnt even recognize!) it was quite shameful!
a couple hippy wannabe beat knicks were getting a good laugh... It was quite embarrassing! The real kick is that all proceeds are being donated to the Center for the Wrongfully Convicted! What a joke we have become! Time to move on!
2/10/2009 12:17:00 PM
---------
Did the Memorial Society trademark their design?
Anonymous said...
Heard they were going to legalize weed, crack, powder, and heroin and get rid of NAGIS and GIS and every other BIS unit at Homan Square. B&A is just the beginning. I say go for it.
2/10/2009 10:45:00 PM
Don't you mean blow?
Anonymous said...
The next time you recieve a call of a suspicious package, who is going to respond?
A city bomb dog. And that will also depend on whether it's transportation related. TSA has been beefing up their bomb detection K9 units.
2/10/2009 08:48:00 PM
Now does that mean the dog will transport himself?
Anonymous said...
It was quite embarrassing! The real kick is that all proceeds are being donated to the Center for the Wrongfully Convicted! What a joke we have become! Time to move on!
2/10/2009 12:17:00 PM
WOW!!! anyone from 014 needs to get a set and figure a way to fuck with these clowns! Hippies have way too much freedom these days!!
2/10/2009 09:36:00 PM
right on the money. anyone in 014 needs to write every car thats illegally parked. write every little mcc violation ie. casting refuse on the public way, obsturction of traffic if these hippies are standing in the street etc. come on guys dont let them fuck with the memory of our fallen brothers.
10 HOUR DAYS RULE. 52 MORE DAYS OFF A YEAR AND 416 HOURS SAVED ON THE BOOKS. GET A CLUE....
and you saved 416 hours how?? Were you planning on taking those 52 days off and now you dont have to
"Ten hour days SUCK! GOD I can't wait to get something else....
2/10/2009 01:44:00 AM"
Speak for yourself, what's your problem wifey getting tired of hearing 4 days of tuff guy stories?
Get yourself a hobby, besides struttng around the gym for 4 hours.
"there was a b/a crawling around in all that soot and mess looking for cause of origin, do u think some $1,000 suit detective will do that?"
Yeah his one big fire a year, probably sprained his ankle& will go on the medical for 6 months.
$1,000 Suit? That's a good one, try 250 @ Irvs menswear, if that.
2/10/2009 12:50:00 PM: Know it-all asshat:
Contrary to popular belief, B&A detectives DO NOT have take home cars. Only the ones we own...or are paying off.
We DO NOT make D3. D2A.
Does B&A have dead weight housecats? Yes, like every other unit.
At one time it was clout unit. Now it is a bid unit. Is clout a factor? Is this Chicago?
Arson is the hardest crime to prove. Every other criminal activity, the longer it goes on, the more evidence it creates. In an arson, the longer the fire burns, the more evidence it destroys.
Eliminating B&A and sending the detectives to the areas: about 6-7 per area spread out over 3 watches and 7 DOG's. That's a big manpower boost....
So why don't study for the next dick's test and if you make it, bid for B&A?
There still is plenty of arson for profit. In the last 4 years at least 11 restaurants in Chinatown have burned down usually ones where business is on the slow side.
I know that for a fact. I don't know much about B&A in 13 years, with one exception I've personally never delt with them other than on the phone. I think the arson side of B&A could easily be disbanded but I think we need bomb guys. I don't know how many guys are assigned to the bomb side but 12 tops would be enough. You tell me how many bona fide bomb calls have you had in your district.
"10 HOUR DAYS RULE. 52 MORE DAYS OFF A YEAR AND 416 HOURS SAVED ON THE BOOKS. GET A CLUE...."
------------------
Ten hour days = one watch eliminated = less officers = Daley $$$ orgasm. That's the clue, Sherlock Shylock...
Anonymous said...
Look at New York City which is fielding a very professional police department complete with a real Intelligence Unit that actually does counter terrorism work.
Compare that with our own Intelligence Unit which is still looking for Jimmy Hoffa. This is a Police Department that couldn't find a jewel theft ring run by it's own Chief of Detectives.
2/10/2009 10:24:00 PM
we have an intelligence unit? Casper?
Anonymous said...
I wish I was a bosses wife like a certain someone who works in headquarters. Then I can get as much overtime I want a period!!!! Even when there is supposed to be a cut of overtime throughout the rest of the department.
LONG LIVE THE ROMAN EMPIRE!!!!!
Must be nice not to have to follow the rules that don't allow husbands/wives to work on the same watch or in the office. Especially when one is a boss.
2/10/2009 08:51:00 PM
and the kid with no time on the job is getting d-3 pay on mayors detail since he had 2 years on the job!
Anonymous said...
PO's making Sgt's pay, Sgt's making Lt or Capt pay, take home cars, short days, clout rules, why should I care?
I work days on a beat car, it has taken me years to get it worked out to where I like it now leave me alone.
2/10/2009 12:21:00 PM
2 commanders 1 mob guy on daleys detail both patrolmen commanders pay and pension! Daley really saves money1
"Anonymous said...
Look. I hate to see anyone get bounced like this, but don't forget who worked in that unit. People with phone calls. Only.
You act like they are there because they are good investigators. It's because they know people.
OFI, if given the training that other Fire Dept. OFI units get in other cities(albeit, a big if)they will do just fine.
Instead of constantly being appalled at the movements that are happening, we should focus on not looking like dirtbags in public. Nobody is making mud-slinging t-shirts towards the CFD.
2/10/2009 08:10:00 PM"
___________________________________
It's a bid unit dummy. In fact most of the times when Detective Bids come out there are bids to B & A available. Far more people have bid successfully to B & A than ever bidded to say the Traffic Control Unit 151.
What female LT was locked in the woman's bathroom at Homan Square and cannot get out. They had to break the door down? She was in the gym working out.
Ans: The one who will be on the next Captain's list!!!
10 HOUR DAYS RULE. 52 MORE DAYS OFF A YEAR AND 416 HOURS SAVED ON THE BOOKS. GET A CLUE....
and you saved 416 hours how?? Were you planning on taking those 52 days off and now you dont have to
2/11/2009 12:34:00 AM
Yes.....Exactly......Where is my hairdryer?
rumor is the next cut will be the crime lab , cross train detectives to photograph crime scenes , collect evidence and dust for fingerprints. that would save money,eliminate supevisors and inside officers
D McG Sr.....Bomb and Arson making Lieutenants Pay......enough said...disband the unit
6:50am
LT. Mc Laurin...formerly of 006
"...try $250. at Irv's Menswear..."
I guarantee it.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
So make your phone call....
2/10/2009 12:50:00 PM
You're kidding right....
I'd bet my years salary that 75% of the det's assigned would JUMP on that opportunity in a second. Nice try but lets face it every squirrel is tryin to get a nut out here and most everyone would jump at the opportunity for D3. There are plenty of units that do much dirtier work than you and get NOTHING for it so since you are obviously very limber from patting yourself on the back for working in such deplorable conditions baybe when you are done you can blow yourself.
Hey SCC, just curious....if this rumor is true would the officers still get their D3 pay? I know of a guy that was a guy dumped out of Marine unit working in a D1 unit that was still getting D2 pay.
Just askin
2/10/2009 10:22:00 PM
Hey stupid-know-it-all!
I'm a detective in an Area that is not in the least interested in B&A. B&A restricts OT and micromanages it's Dics like Patrol. We have one that fled B&A and came back to the area. The Arson Dics have the same paygrade that I do, D2A. The Dics and patrolmen that make it as a Bomb tech, get the D3. Again, not interested...First REAL job could be your last.
Same thing in Forensic Services...bosses that run their unit like patrol supervisors. ET's make D2, not D2A, and Forensic Investigators make D3. Been there done did it, not impressed.
Just because ANY unit is probably better than working in patrol, doesn't mean ANY unit is better than another.
WOW!!! anyone from 014 needs to get a set and figure a way to fuck with these clowns! Hippies have way too much freedom these days!!
2/10/2009 09:36:00 PM
Yeah, that'll show 'em. I'm sure they'll have much more respect for us after we "fuck" with them. And those damn hippies, boy they are really bringing down society with their sex, drugs, and rock 'n' roll. It's all the commie Russians fault, those red bastards.
Who cares. A cush, phone call unit. And when these guys come on scene, they strut around like peacocks.
You guys are idiots who post these responses. Who cares...Its another bid spot taken away from the job during contract negotiations. Thats why this job is going to s*it.
Anonymous said...
There is plenty of work to do at B & A. One of the biggest problems is lack of arrests. This is a result of a strangle hold on overtime which was established under a previous commander who has since retired. New commnaders that came in needed to continue this strangle hold.
SOUNDS LIKE EVERY OTHER FAT WHITE BOSS IN THE D UNIT - ONLY OVERTIME VIA CHANGED DUTY HOURS FOR THE CHOOSEN FEW..
RIGHT 606?
To Anonymous 02-10-2009, 9:48am.
Just to let you know, the B & A Unit is a BID Unit, not placed there by a Chinaman. You have to take a Detective Test & you have to pass the test to even be considered for the Detective position. Then you are appointed Detective by a 80% by score (rank) & 20% by management (Blow Job). So I say that since you work at Homan Square & there are no other Units there that you can BID to, you my friend must have been on you knees to get to were you're at. No I don't work at B & A but I am a Detective that Past the test.
Yessirree bob it was none other than Evil G. She was unclothed and stuck on the shitter like Danny Glover. They made it a hbt incident and blew her off the can. She hit the ceiling and now somethings wrong with her noggin.
2/10/2009 11:19:00 PM
-----
You should write for Leno. I've still got milk coming out of my nose!!!! Honestly, that was beautiful. Have not laughed that hard in ages....keep it coming!!!
Face it boys and girls, with the economy in the toilet the embezzlers at city hall need to cut some meat so they can keep trimming off some juicy fat for themselves.
They're going to make you work harder for less and start waving goodbye to your pensions and bennies now before they disappear.
Hey 1:32 A:M You have been on almost 7 years and you say you have handled TONS of car and house fires. WAKE UP KID the only thing you handle is your pud while driving around listening to other zones on the radio and dreaming you are there. Get some time on the job !!!
2/10/2009 07:13:00 AM
******************************
i second this comment. Fuck you, 7-year wonder.
It's a bid unit dummy. In fact most of the times when Detective Bids come out there are bids to B & A available. Far more people have bid successfully to B & A than ever bidded to say the Traffic Control Unit 151.
2/11/2009 06:11:00 AM
Bad analogy. What real policeman wants to work in Traffic?
Hey SCC, just curious....if this rumor is true would the officers still get their D3 pay? I know of a guy that was a guy dumped out of Marine unit working in a D1 unit that was still getting D2 pay.
Just askin
2/10/2009 10:22:00 PM
what about a former dispatcher who is still getting d-2 and her beauty sleep at night.
Anonymous said...
OT...laughing my a** off! Jody on Fox News bragging about murders being down 50% in January. Think maybe, just maybe, it had something to do with the record cold and snow?? What a tool
2/10/2009 09:17:00 PM
I, too, saw the lieing prick. He looked scared and inexperienced.
Bomb and Arson's duties will be taken over by District Law Enforcement in Districts 1 through 25.
Officers will be trained through a 6 minute training video soon to be released via the streaming video process and viewable at a roll call near you.
Officers will then be responsible for investigating all fires, arson and bomb incidents within their districts and will be held strictly accountable, according to Supt. Jody Weis.
Sector Sgt's to monitor for proper compliance.
Big Bird to continue to monitor everyone for everything except for high ranking police officials for possible involvement in jewelry theft rings.
Don't any of you understand? ANYTHING THE CITY OR FOP RECOMMENDS AND LIKES IS NOT GOOD FOR YOU!!!!!! 2 TEN HOUR WATCHES PROPERLY POSITIONED ERASE THE MIDNIGHT WATCH! LESS MANPOWER REDUCES PAYROLL AND SAVES MILLIONS YEAR AFTER YEAR AND INCREASES THE DANGER OF MORE INJURIES OR WORSE!
WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!!!!
Hey SCC the reason that OFI classifies them one way is because to them incendiary means one thing and then B&A investigates to see if it was done criminally. OFI does their report under different guidelines. And it is like that in all parts of the country. And the insurance rates will not be going thru the roof.
Besides don't be surprise if the CFD get to be in control of B&A so that there will be one less group of bosses.
Also the difference between CPD & CFD is that their contract will not let them disband OFI due to the wording in their contract. They have laungage stating manning and pieces of equipement. Not like the CPD that does what they want to the men & women that work for them.
"what about a former dispatcher who is still getting d-2 and her beauty sleep at night."
When the city civilianized COS (Communications Operations Section) the agreement with FOP was that all the officers assigned there would continue to receive D-2 pay for the balance of their career. Contract says that an officer may be demoted or disciplined for "just cause." The City had no grounds to financially harm the officers, so they get the pay.
The reason you don't know that is because you don't have enough time on the job to know.
"D McG Sr.....Bomb and Arson making Lieutenants Pay......"
One guy.
Bomb Techs have training and FBI security clearances.
...and when YOU have a Lambert Tree Award, then you can criticize him. Until then, STFU.
this old timer is out of here said...
Lets all sell each other out, survival of the fittest should be our new motto. We have become a bunch of hacks and I am happy to retire and get away from the "new" police.
2/10/2009 11:12:00 PM
Im in my 15th year at this Pathetic Circus we now call a Police Department, and you couldent have hit the nail more on the head! We sell each other out at the drop of a hat. Stab each other in the back like we were all on the steps of the Roman Senate! Aint like it used to be 'round here. No wonder why some 14 year old punk can get away with putting on a uniform and play "Police" for a tour.
I don't know how many guys are assigned to the bomb side but 12 tops would be enough. You tell me how many bona fide bomb calls have you had in your district.
2/11/2009 02:37:00 AM
OK, Hero, when and I wrote "WHEN", not "If" the next one comes, Post your name and Cell, so I can call you! You can come out and fuck around with the industrial blasting caps that some dip-shit dropped off at a fire house (And CFD RAN out of the house!). Or you are more than willing to dick with the 40 year old dynamite that’s been sweating in someone’s garage. Live Grenades? Yep, them too. Some 16 year olds “Science Project” after watching too much McGyver? All yours!
Ask me, and I’ll tell you; 99.9% of the time, they are probably stealing the pay check. But its that .01% of the time that you couldn’t pay me enough!
LT. Mc Laurin...formerly of 006
2/11/2009 09:02:00 AM
Without exaggeration, Carol McLaurin is dumber than dirt, but she will probably be on the next Captain's list. Lynette Helm is also dumber than dirt, but it did not keep her from becoming a Chief. Come to think of it, with that said and without a doubt, we are fucked!
One guy.
Bomb Techs have training and FBI security clearances.
...and when YOU have a Lambert Tree Award, then you can criticize him. Until then, STFU.
Give me a break......some who actually deserve the Lambert Tree get it...a lot who get it don't.....how did he get that job anyway.....was it an open position or one you get by "merit" cause that would make two "merit" promotions in the same family....
B&A is a cushy job. Most of the time, they wait for a call and then determine whether to go out on it. Some of them leave the office and tend to personal business (i.e., gym, booty call). But, when they do go out, they are crawling around in debris...sometimes late at night....sometimes alone.
I think we should get rid of the CPD arson investigators, let the CFD handle it! we don"t have enough detectives to handle the serious shit as it is! if the CPD can make a case for an arrest, our Dets. in the areas can assist them with that. Stop wasting money on duplicate services!
Anonymous said...
Those of you that are blaming J-Fed, read the original post again. "Budget dweebs from City Hall...". That's who you should be blaming, not J-Fed. I hate him as much as anybody but this is all Daley's doing. Further evidence that Daley runs this Department, not J-Fed. And if you allow him to do this, what next? The Marine Unit? ERRPS? Canine? The Range? What about the SWAT Team? My point is when does it stop? Why is ANYBODY from outside this Department allowed to tell anybody within it what unit should stay and what unit should go? Tha decision should be the job of the Superintendent, not somebody from City Hall!This is not a legitimate Police Department and it never will be because of Daley. It is now being run by civilians who don't know the first thing about Police work. Weis, Bruest, O'Keefe, the list goes on and on.Until Daley is gone, NOTHING WILL CHANGE! You could put Mickey Mouse in as Superintendent and it wouldn't matter.
This is the typical way the City of Chicago operates it's Police Department. In a day and age when terrorism is a main priority, in a day and age when bombs are a real possibility, what do we do? We eliminate the one unit that is equipped to investigate or defuse explosive devices. Think about it. The next time you recieve a call of a suspicious package, who is going to respond?
If this City and it's political leaders were serious about solving or reducing crime they would ensure that it's Police Department was well trained, well staffed and well equipped. It's obvious however that they are not serious and there is no better example of how they are not serious than this. If they were serious and really did need to reduce the budget, what would a POLICEMAN eliminate? The CAPS program of course. That program which accomplishes NOTHING costs the City appx. 5 million dollars a year AT A MINIMUM! But because non-police personel are running this Department, rather than get rid of a unit that does nothing other than employ the otherwise un-employable and provide a hiding place for those that are afraid to work the street, they get rid of a major investigative unit of the Police Department.
I guarantee you this would NEVER,EVER happen in a real Police Department. Never! But because we are NOT a real Police Department this is what happens. When other Departments across this nation hear about this, we will be an even bigger laughing stock.
I'm almost at the end of my career. One year left to go. I've been blessed to work with some of the finest human beings and Police Officer this country has ever produced. And I've never been more ashamed than I am now. Between the Daleys, Abbattes, the O'Callaghans,the Finnegans and the misfits that now run this Police Department I am embarrassed to tell anybody what I do for a living. In appx 365 days I will pull the pin and never look back. The Chicago Police Department USED to be one of the premier Police Departments in the world. Not any more. It is a shell of what it used to be. And it is because of those people I mentioned. When I think of the people that served before me and with me, I'm proud. When I think of what the future holds for those that serve now and will come after me I just shake my head and wish them well. I sincerely hope that things can be turned around. But I doubt it. At least not in Daleys lifetime.
2/10/2009 08:35:00 AM
Paul Volpe - Jim Johnson - Gabe Gadlin - all from the Budget Office are the ones behind this. Bean counters are running our once proud Department. They bring their half assed ideas to the Department and Weis - Cuello - O'Keefe go along with them. Decisions being made by two civilians and one wanna"bea." Give Peterson his due. I heard he blew his stack when he heard about this.
Post a Comment
<< Home