The Countdown to Monday
A federal judge found police Supt. Jody Weis in contempt of court today and gave him until 8:45 a.m. Monday to release the names of officers who have at least five citizen complaints filed against them since 2000.
Last month, Weis refused a magistrate judge’s order to turn over the papers, saying handing over the names would “compromise officers’ performance, threaten safety, reduce morale and improperly impugn many officers’ otherwise well-deserved good reputations.”
The list is being sought — along with a more specific list of officers with excessive-force complaints filed against them — by attorneys suing the city over an allegation that an officer falsely arrested and used excessive force against two children.
We've haven't been convicted of anything. We haven't ever taken suspension time. Yet we are going to be the subject of this data-mining expedition for the benefit of some scumbag attorneys who are then going to file hundreds, if not thousands, of nuisance suits, knowing that Shortshanks and his incompetent lawyers are going to settle at every opportunity, thereby dragging our names through the mud and casting doubt on our testimony at all sorts of criminal trials and civil trials in the future.
This Department is within a nanosecond of completely shutting down; we're talking within millimeters of pulling a Cleveland-type reaction at the street level. Movers are down thousands. Parkers are down tens of thousands. County Jail says they haven't had tiers this empty in decades.
This could well be the end of the CPD as we knew it.
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
177 Comments:
All they need to do is give the list but blacken out every name but smiths. List is turned over you just cant read it.
Captains were made today (not on paper) but they all go the call. Class starts Monday - Friday. Then done. All inside people/Unit people again. Big fucking suprise...
Certainly, there is no hunting like the hunting of man and those who have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never really care for anything else thereafter. - Ernest Hemingway
R.I.P the CPD
Is it possible to go down to court on Monday morning and support Jody for what he's doing?????
You know....I admire what you do SCC and the cops you represent.
But I'm damned tired of 'liberals' always being the bad guy on this site.
There's guilt in every corner. Let's just agree to disagree and work together to clean things up.
This is all a giant media ploy to buildup J-Fed's destroyed image with the rank and file.
After Cozzi and some of the other coppers that have been unjustly thrown under the bus, there is nothing that J-Fed could ever possibly do, to restore my confidence in his leadership abilities.
FREE COZZI!!!
You want to rebuild confidence Mr. Mayor?
Bring back the unjustly stripped, fired and suspended PO's that you have thrown aside to appease the masses.
Give us a fair contract NOW!
Abolish "meritorious/clout" promotions.
Fund the pension fund to 100%.
25 years and 75% with no age restrictions.
Boys and girls they keep taking us for granted, time to shut down full force.
Who cares? Let 'em release it. Then we all sue for defamation of character. Pay day beeyotch!!!!!!!!!
Hey, Jody Boy! Can you hold your mud?
The end of CPD? OMG! That is it, I am putting my resume on line and going to start to look for some new employment! LOL
All joking aside, CPD is basically over and done with. For any officer with some time on this job, they all know full well that the police haven't been the police in years. And it appears to be what the this city wants and most of the tax absorbing inner city base wants also.
It is a shame but it is almost impossible to do real police work anymore. Unless you want to end up in the pokey yourself.
Let the Games begin.......
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PHILOSOPHY:
Logically, all the names would just prove that CRs are bogus and do not have any direct implication of wrongdoing. Furthermore, a list would be generated with thousands of names.
RESEARCH (Journal of Hard Knocks):
Realistically, we all know there are more dog asses than workers on this department - regarding hands on police work - and the list would end up being about 1/8th of the 8,000 officers on the department. I do not want to be misunderstood, there are brilliant people working inside or doing great work on assisting the community. The Crs are from Officers that have a 80% interaction with gang members in the course of their duties.
Thank you and have a great day!
I can be reached at 1-800-CHA-LKIE
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Not a big fan of JP as of yet, but I will support him if he supports us------no problem.
o.k. i'm confused.
who is this fucking guy ?
How can morale get lower than it is?!
they want to hide tobias's name because he has 5 or more complaints!
The answer to the problem the department created is not to take every complaint a citizens makes. If someone has a complaint against an officer or the services rendered, have that person call their perspective district. Have the W/C take the complaint instead of watching TV all day and determine if that complaint merits a cr investigation, if he determines that no rules were violated or the officers actions were lawful, tell the citizen to go take a walk. If a number is initiated have them come in and sign an affidavit and advised them they can be prosecuted if the allegations are proven to be false. The day of anonymous complaints and taking a complaint for any reason should be over!
oh boy. No work equal no CR#. Summer is around the corner. Chicago will lead the nation again in homicides.
Is county really seeing a shortage of prisoners???
What the hell happened in Cleveland?
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I just got home and had a frickin blast that i probablly won't remember but with friends i will never forget! I hate chicago and the politics and everything but i love my brothers and sisters in blue.
what these liberals don't understand or choose to not understand is that these are not "sustained" complaints. in other words that the officers were found to have acted wrongly. these are just complaints against an officer period. even if a complaint is proved that the officer did nothing wrong the complaint stays on his/hers record. so if you have five complaints and all five have proven an officer was innocent he/she will still be on that list. the list is not of complaints where the officer is guilty of wrongdoing, it's just a list of officers with complaints against them even if they were innocent. the general public as well as judges have taken up sides with the animal and have finally made cops the "bad guys". get ready chicago, hell is coming and the police will not be there to save your ass. this was your choice. reap the whirlwind.
Yawn... irrelevant until Monday
As usual it's the scumbag Flint Taylor from the People's Law Office ,behind all this. He has made millions attacking the police. Another good liberal democRAT.
To those of you bitching about 2211, 3rd Watch: You are way out of line. I live on the beat but work elsewhere. Believe me, I hate that I spend every night in the ghetto while my neighborhood is left hugely unprotected. It helps, however, that the guy working afternoons does live here and does care about the area and does a damn good job patrolling it. He is on top of everything going on around here and does his best to take care of problems. How do I know this? Because I talk to him about it all the time. I tell him everything I come across, all that I see and find out, and guess what? He either already knows and is working on it or gets on it and calls to let me know what's been done. Why don't you try that? Instead of flying through the hood to and from work with blinders on, keep your eyes and ears open and pass it on. Same as it works in the ghetto - - the residents know all, it's just getting them to tell you. You're on the same team for Christ's sake, you can't drop a dime?!
Not only is this guy busting his ass out here, but he's getting discouraged by all the shit he gets from the ODPO's. I know this copper. He's fair, he's a good cop and he's got a great memory. He doesn't want to f- with police families, but if your kid keeps ending up in his face, come on! How many breaks do you get before you figure out that your kid is the asshole, and evidently, so is his father! Give them a break. We've finally got someone on the beat that knows and cares about it, please don't try to run him out. Ignore them, pal, you're doing a great job.
I CALL BULLSHIT. List will never come out. Family will settle for money that has probably already been discussed, which is what the lawyers want in the first place. And our fearless leader will now say he went to bat for his police officers and has his officers back because he almost went to jail! NOW SOMEBODY PLEASE PAY THE CITY SPIN DOCTOR!
Time for officers to pull out of the ghettos. Transfer to the districts they live to guard their own home fronts!
Couldn't agree more SCC... What the fuck does this lawsuit have anything to do with officers having at least 5 c/r's in a 9 year period. Once again another example of a nut-case, brain-dead, liberal judge not qualified to work at white castle. I'd rather work with a partner that had at least 5 c/r's in 9 yrs over one that had zero c/r's in 9 yrs. If you are locking up assholes on a regular basis, there is no fucking way in hell you wont have at least 5 complaints in 9 years. It would be a shame if some piece of shit pulled a Lefko on this asshole judges family.
With over 1200 arrests in the last 9 yrs, I've been sued 6 times by ghetto shit with the city settling all. When asked at my last deposition by the opposing attorney what I thought about the number of lawsuits paid out against me. I told him the city was gonna regret it big in the long run as word gets around that the city wont fight and would rather pay shit like his client.
If the city thinks they have problems with lawsuits now... wait til the names are released.
I really hope he has a giant set of "Nads" & refuses !!!
The Stuttering Prick's Picture Would Look Better Behind Bars Than JPUDS
Shortshanks,They Day Is Coming You gonna Be Blago's Or George's Cell Buddie??
Still not a Bad Pic For A Headliner SCC, Sarcasm & Silliness Lives
posted on FOP web site.......
WEDNESDAY, MARCH 4, 2009
BILL COZZI CHARACTER LETTERS 03/04/09
Bill Cozzi is scheduled for sentencing on April 30, 2009. Here is your chance to show your support for Bill. Please take the time to write a character letter on Bill's behalf.
While there is not any right or wrong way to write a letter your letter should comment on the positive aspects of Bill's character as a person. You should include your identity, how you know Bill, and how long you have known him. If you know of acts of Bill helping others or providing extraordinary service to the community please include them in your letter. You should also consider including how this case has affected Bill's life.
This letter should not include your opinion of Bill's innocence or how unfairly you believe he was treated by the Department of government.
Your letter should be addressed to:
Honorable Blanche Manning
United States District Court for the Northern District of Illinois
219 S. Dearborn
Chicago, IL 60604
*** Do Not mail your letter directly to Judge Manning ***
Send your letter to the FOP Unit 541 via Department mail or mail to the FOP at 1412 W. Washington Blvd., Chicago, IL. 60607.
All letters will be forwarded to Bill's attorney
He's going to regret all those Bo-tox injections now! "Come here boy.... you sure got a pretty mouth!"
Midnights sucks in every district, I don't care how slow the district is. I am not doing shit!!!!
Boss...If you had been a PPO, with an FTO, he would have explained this to you early on, as being "M-I-D-D-L-E-D." Thus endeth the lesson!
What the fuck is wrong with these people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I guess we're all forgetting there's a LAWYER and SCAMMER involved in this case? There IS no usefull reason to have this data, other than to force the city into a bigger settlement before discovery is concluded.
Having the names doesn't mean shit, and the data won't help their case of bullshit one iota. It's just another bullshit idea by a lawyer to force money outta the city pockets. They don't WANT the names, they want the MONEY. The only thing the names provide is an ego boost to a jaggoff ambulance chaser type attorney, and he'd rather have the MONEY.
This just a bullshit attempt to appear legit to us. It's theatrics folks. He's already thought about the "statement" he thinks this makes to us and he may even be prepared to sit in a nice little segregated cell somewhere, just to make it look like he's really one of us.
In the end, it's Corp Counsel's job to roll the dice on the cost of today's payoff against the cost of tomorrow's payoff when these fuckers give the list away to the public.
Of course Daley won't sue the fuckers when the list hits the ghetto streets the next day either. It'll be up to everyone on that list to countersue the shithead coming after them because their name was on the list.
It just makes more shitsick lawyers happy, and they're the LAST asshole that should be happy on this planet.
This is what Liberal America wants. Every criminial should be free to do what they want without worry of being jailed. Every thug should bow down and kiss these asshole rev's feet, they have allowed good PO's to stop doing good police work. Why does the city have a Law Deptment? they never use it unless it is to help some ass wipe alderman or King Richard. Judges are no better than the criminals that stand before them, they can be had for a Vote or other Political Aspiration. But remember if a judge gets threaten they get special police protection and 24/7 house sitting, what do we get? Who will step up and protect the good and honest PO's from all this bullshit. Because of a few bad police we are now all consider criminials with no rights at all. I don't like J-fed but I will give him some points for trying to do the right thing
Are there any openings in ERPS? A word of advice. The citizens are our enemies and should be avoided at all costs. The less interactions we have with them the better off we are. Back each other up and cover your own asses out here. No more than that. Back in the day the key to success out here was visibility and production. Today you must hide and production leads to nothing but problems.
To the one suggesting WC take complaints. Very bad idea. Could you imagine guys like Schweiger on midnights in 4 or just about any boss in that ass backward district like 5 doing this? 5 is the only district in the city where the WC bypasses desk sergeants and approves case reports, complaints, checks inventories, etc. You just approve Probable Cause you fat hacks. 3 is a mess too.
I really don't agree with you much Jody, but am behind you on this one. Of all the CR's I have gotten, only one verbal abuse should have stuck. All the others were a joke just like our justice system.
Its all a scham,jody will say to the coppers.He will say i went to bat for you knowing the list was coming out anyway.the list is coming out and i am proud im on it.now Jfed knows how COZZi fells. go cooter.
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Add this line to every CHALKIE shirt.
"The world will look up and shout, save us, and I'll whisper....No"
3/05/2009 12:29:00 AM
Please, go bite a big one. That is a sell out attitude and exposes the problem with liberals and their make "everyone happy" vision which tends to suppress most hard working people and prop up lazy do nothings.
I used to be a working copper. I havent had a beef in at least 7 years or better. I was left to hang while the no balls bosses crapped their pants over a BS racial profiling CR.
It all worked out. I had PC and was exonerated. And that was the last time I worked. Say what you want. I answer my calls and only go balls out when a fellow copper is in need. But the bosses where all ready to hang me out to dry to cover their own scared little asses. Any Chicago Police Officer that does any type of Police work other then answer his/her calls is completely out of their minds. Its like playing russian rullet.
We wont get a fair contract or respect until we stick together.
Cleveland:
http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2007/09/cleveland_police_officials_inv.html
5 #'s over an 8 year period not really a large number workers get that sometimes in a year,guess my moms gonna see my name in the paper oh shit!
Here's a little bit of inside info from my girlfriend who does legal work for the department (Comes in handy as she's kept me off the list):
1. J-Fed is leaning towards caving despite what his CPD brain trusts has advised him. He's concerned that he's going to ruin his whole law enforcement career over a dept he knows can't stand him anyway.
2. It isn't just one list. It is multiple lists and there are thousands on names on these lists. The lists are of differing degrees of allegations in terms of type and quantity of offenses.
3. Corp Counsel is (surprise, surprise) ill equipped to handle this situation and has had to get outside help.
4. Flint & his client have been offered a settlement (saw that question in another post) but they have rejected it. They have actually been offered multiple settlements.
5. As much as we like to bitch and moan about this issue here on this blog, there are actually lawyers and researchers working night and day on our side (Yes! Pro police and on our side!)
6. J-Fed and his crew are well aware of the possibility that we (CPD rank & file) will be so fed up that we'll do a work stoppage and they're working on an emergency plan just in case. J-Fed knows that a fill work stoppage would be the final straw that Shortshanks has with him.
As for the post that asked why Flint Taylor needs this list anyway, he needs it to establish that there is not only a pattern of abuse amongst the CPD but a long standing pattern of ignored abuse. Not only do his settlement $$$ go up but he can then (possibly) open the case up for class action status.
The midget will tell J-Fed to give it up.
"oh boy. No work equal no CR#. Summer is around the corner. Chicago will lead the nation again in homicides."
Yep, put the blinders on boys and girls and hunker down.
"Is it possible to go down to court on Monday morning and support Jody for what he's doing?????"
I'd wait till monday to see if you still have a reason to support him.
I venture to say that you won't.
ALL R BUBBLE HEADY BOOBIE HAS TO DO IS STATE ALL THE INVESTIGATION ARE STILL OPEN AND BEING REVIEWED BY HIS FED BUDDIES!!!
2ND RELATE THAT IT IS EMPLOYMENT RECORDS AND CONTAINS VICTIM INFO!
J-FED THEN RELATES THAT IF THE PERSON SUING THE CITY WANTS TO PICK UP THE TAB A RELEASES WOULD BE NEEDED FROM EACH PERSON ON ANY CR NUMBER!
INCLUDING ALL WITNESSES AND OFFICERS!!!
DUMB ASSES!
Last month, Weis refused a magistrate judge’s order to turn over the papers, saying handing over the names would “compromise officers’ performance, threaten safety, reduce morale and improperly impugn many officers’ otherwise well-deserved good reputations."
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and none of these are legitimate reasons why he can duck a federal court order.
neither weis nor anyone else gets to decide if a federal court order is legit or not. the federal courts decide that.
he is going to have to comply at some point.
I CALL BULLSHIT. List will never come out. Family will settle for money that has probably already been discussed, which is what the lawyers want in the first place. And our fearless leader will now say he went to bat for his police officers and has his officers back because he almost went to jail! NOW SOMEBODY PLEASE PAY THE CITY SPIN DOCTOR!
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not an unlikely outcome, but a dangerous precedant. even if this case is settled out of court, and the list remains a deep, dark secret, every time a lawyer wants to get money out of the city, all he has to do is ask the court for the list.
the best thing that could happen is for weis to just obey the court order and let the chips fall where they may. there really is no other viable option long term.
Is it possible to go down to court on Monday morning and support Jody for what he's doing?????
3/05/2009 12:24:00 AM
Yeah sure and while you are at it see if you can say hi to Cozzi or Guy and support them as well. YOU GOOF.
If anyone thinks for one minute that Jfed is behind this you're crazy, this has Daley written all over it.
You know....I admire what you do SCC and the cops you represent.
But I'm damned tired of 'liberals' always being the bad guy on this site.
There's guilt in every corner. Let's just agree to disagree and work together to clean things up.
No asshole you are wrong, DEAD wrong.
If in a court of law the states case cannot present how many times a subject has been arrested no matter if each time said subject was found not guilty, unless it is during sentencing, WHY THE HELL should our name be thrown out the for the total number of CR #'s that have been brought against us is over 5 even if not a single one is sustained.
You could have a small point if they wanted a list of officers with 5 or more SUSTAINED CR beefs.
Every working copper who have no reason to be put in this position will be put there simply BC of some money hungry ambulance chaser.
Son you are way off.
Anonymous said...
You know....I admire what you do SCC and the cops you represent.
But I'm damned tired of 'liberals' always being the bad guy on this site.
There's guilt in every corner. Let's just agree to disagree and work together to clean things up.
3/05/2009 12:29:00 AM
You are the same moron that has no idea how some people really are and how those same people hate police. Do me a favor. Walk down Division from Pulaski to Keeler (2blocks) and then tell me how you feel about certain areas after you were mugged and beaten for what you look like.
To the copper on 2211, please don't let the ignorance of a few discourage the work you are doing. I too live on the beat and work in the ghetto, but am happy to know there is someone that actually gives a fuck about the goings on on the beat. I have had pretty good response from those working on the beat had trouble came about. Wish there were more willing to do the work West of Western Ave. Thanks
If a number is initiated have them come in and sign an affidavit and advised them they can be prosecuted if the allegations are proven to be false.
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No No No. This is just silly,silly,silly! Don't you remember Daley's first reaction to this? He refused to do it! He said "forcing" citizens to sign affidavits would scare them. They would be afraid that the big, scary police would go after them. So here we had a big city mayor thumb his nose at the judicial system, the same system that REQUIRES complainants who file complaints to sign affidavits stating that what they stated in the complaint is true.
We are held to a higher standard but are denied the same benefits that most people enjoy.
Flint Taylor and the People's Law Firm are claiming they want the list for statistical purposes only; however they also insist that the list actually names names. (And this morning's ST says the list has thousands of names.) In rality, the list has nothing to do with the pending law suit. But when the next law suit comes down, you can bet that Taylor and his henchmen will eagerly scan the list to see if the accused has had previous beefs and fight hard to get that "evidence" in front of a jury.
Obviously this may have some strong ramifications if allowed, you know that allegations are one thing and substantiated is the other. I’m not sure who’s agenda this judge is going to fulfill, I know one thing, if allowed, you will have a huge influx of bullshit/nuisance suits filled which will drain the cities pocket even more then it is at present. That you will have another huge influx of bullshit complaints being filled on good hard working coppers in an attempt to take the heat off of criminal conduct.
I have to question the judge at this point, if it is all in the “interest of justice”, then allow me to assist, I’ll need blanket subpoenas to conduct my own investigation as to who is trying to influence the criminal justice system, we can start with improperly contacting judges who hear certain cases, I would just start with phone records and move off from there… guess what, there is more credence to that inquiry then there is to unfounded complaints on officers.
Ever copper that has questioned a verdict in a case should then have the right to go on a fishing expedition to find out why!
When are we going to see the list of all attorneys with 5 or more allegations or complaints against them?
If it's a magistrates order, it should be appealable. Why hasn't general counsel or corporation counsel advised him of this?
All they need to do is give the list but blacken out every name but smiths. List is turned over you just cant read it.
Why you haten?
Let the city burn, who truly gives a fuck? My block will be safe, and yours should be too. Other than that the rest of the city is ghetto and liberal fucks that dont undersatnd reality! So fuck em, let it burn!
1229am post. The fact of the matter is that we are in these situations nowadays BECAUSE of the liberal judges and liberal media and liberal citizens that dont truly undersatnd what the real world is all about. They live a fantasy
Midnights sucks in every district, I don't care how slow the district is. I am not doing shit!!!!
3/05/2009 04:44:00 AM
Then quit you whining little bitch! I've read a lot of beefing on this board, and most of them have some degree of merit to them. But crying because you're working midnights.....Fuck you. Didn't you know they had midnights when you took the job? It's part of it, deal with it or QUIT! No you won't quit....you're full of shit. We've all worked midnights.....man up you little bitch!
Of course Daley won't sue the fuckers when the list hits the ghetto streets the next day either. It'll be up to everyone on that list to countersue the shithead coming after them because their name was on the list.
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You are right on this one. But don't forget that if a copper sues and wins, the city will step in and demand to be compensated for supposed monies they lost.
Done Deal:
but......
Get a name up front and be sure it's submitted to public record naming the person responsible. IF and WHEN the information hits the wrong hands.
Open the road ahead of time for
civil liability.
Citizens pay your salaries. They have a right to know who has complaints against them. It doesn't mean the complaints are legit, but that is part of the deal when you work for the government. It is called transparency. Stop embracing fascism.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
You know....I admire what you do SCC and the cops you represent.
But I'm damned tired of 'liberals' always being the bad guy on this site.
There's guilt in every corner. Let's just agree to disagree and work together to clean things up.
3/05/2009 12:29:00 AM
Let's agree that liberals live sheltered lives with unrealistic Utopian beliefs.
Lets agree that there a bad people that will always be bad.
Lets agree that no matter how much money you throw at a problem, the problem usually remains unchanged.
Let's agree that middle class guilt has led this once great nation to become a nanny nation. A nation that once meant rewards for hard work, but now gives us a class of people that don't work or strive to work. A class that also believes they are entitled to a middle class life without working or contributing to our society.
Let's agree that unless liberals wake up soon, that when they finally do it will be too late.
Too late being, more entitlements then can be accommodated by the rest of the nation.
Let's agree that third world status for the U.S. isn't far off.
I'm damned tired of footing the bill for people that do NOT contribute to this nation. Generations of people that take and give nothing back.
So Mr. Liberal, I do not agree to disagree.
He has been ordered by Daley not to give up the list. When the verbal warnings cease and Jody is faced with producing the list or going to the clink, he will produce the list. He is not going to be arrested for us, you can take that to the bank.
CRedit where credit is due I say. Thanks Jody. I KNOW I AM ONE OF THOSE NAMES..and I appreciate it.
Well it looks like the time has come to STOP doing work out in the Ghetto. Stay safe and let the beast fend for himself. For you newbies still doing work out there, you should stop before you get it jammed up you a--.
Anonymous said...
Midnights sucks in every district, I don't care how slow the district is. I am not doing shit!!!!
3/05/2009 04:44:00 AM
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Because when you took the job, you didn't know that police work 24 hours a day? STFU you whiney little piece of shit. Go become a fireman, they get to sleep all night!
Please do not think that the refusal to hand over the list means Weis gives a shit about any police officer. He is following the orders of Myra Georges. No List means less law suits. it's that simple. Weis has already proven what he thinks about us. Don't be fooled.
What does the "list" have to do with some arrest maybe gone bad?
The Supreme Court years ago made up some law: it decided that if a city "caused" someone to be wrongly arrested, for instance, the city could be liable. But only that was the only way.
Fast forward to today: scumbag plaintiffs' lawyers say the city "caused" soemone to be wrongly arrested by not disciplining cops adequately.
That's what the "list" has to do with some stupid wrongful arrest.
The fault here lies with courts which think "hey, isn't that cute and novel theory - really sophisticated, isn't it?"
And just you wait to see the "cute and sophisticated" crowd the new Administration is going to appoint to the federal bench.
The worst is yet to come.
You know....I admire what you do SCC and the cops you represent.
But I'm damned tired of 'liberals' always being the bad guy on this site.
There's guilt in every corner. Let's just agree to disagree and work together to clean things up.
3/05/2009 12:29:00 AM
It is because of Liberals and their policies that society is suffering. They try to make policies that are meant to help people but are doomed even before they are implemented. They have the 'State' replace the position of the man, in the traditional family. They establish education systems that are complete failures, that no amount of money can fix.
Young men, uneducated and no longer burdened with being responsible for their offsprings and family, pursue hedonistic lifestyles which lead to their demise. The incarceration rate is overburdening our prison system, more money is being spent in keeping them locked up then in educating them.
The 'Liberal' issue of public housing appeared to be a good idea but again it was not well thought out. It put people who were living in a situation where there was no obvious plan to improve their lives. They had no education, money had no value since it was given given to them for free. People had no incentive to improve their lives and were surrounded by those who were in the same condition. They were doomed from the cradle to the grave.
What did these 'Liberal' Paradise create? These vast wastelands in the inner city. We, as Patrolman, have to work in and try to clean up the mess that you created. The countless moments when you watch children bleed their lifeblood into our city sewers. The despair that you see when you look into the eyes of mothers. They are looking at their future being thrown away.
Good intentions always seem to pave the way to hell...
Anonymous said...
You know....I admire what you do SCC and the cops you represent.
But I'm damned tired of 'liberals' always being the bad guy on this site.
There's guilt in every corner. Let's just agree to disagree and work together to clean things up.
3/05/2009 12:29:00 AM
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Speak for yourself, I'm not guilty for anything... you know why? Because I didn't do anything wrong.
The liberals are the ones that started this trend. The liberal media only reports "news" that makes police look bad. Liberals like cop watch run around and accuse police of misconduct even if it doesn't exist because that's what their liberal hippy parents and college professors tell them to do. Liberal alderman support their shithead-drug dealing-gang banging-constituents when they beef on the police. IAD and IPRA take the beefs without proof. Liberal lawyers file frivolous lawsuits. Liberal courts accept them. Liberal judges rule in favor of them in fear of not getting re-elected. What's the common thread between them all? Democrats.
This is exactly why they are going after this list; because they can, and because it will allow them to attack all officers regardless of their involvement with the current lawsuit. It will open the door for thousands of lawsuits and any officer with complaints against him or her, whether sustained or not, will have more frivolous beefs filed against him or her just to shed a light of doubt on the case because they will bring up the officer's complaint history in trial.
What does my not-sustained or exonerated complaints have to do with anything? The investigators didn't find any wrongdoing. There was no reasonable doubt, and no preponderance of evidence to sustain the complaint. That's as good as it never happened. Why don't the protections afforded to the public by the constitution apply to me? Can the state use some one's previous arrest history against him or her when they have no convictions?
This whole thing stinks, and it's because of liberals. Don't ask to work together when lib-tards outnumber conservatives 100 to 1 in this city, county and state and do everything in their power to screw us.
Is there any way we can sue this judge?
If they release this list we should hire some hot shot law firm and sue the lawyer, the judge and anyone who was a party to this bull$h&t! Defamation, I can't go back on the street and do my job. Fight their bull with our own.
We need a way to fight back against these Lib a$$holes.
Any idea's?
Anonymous said...
You know....I admire what you do SCC and the cops you represent.
But I'm damned tired of 'liberals' always being the bad guy on this site.
There's guilt in every corner. Let's just agree to disagree and work together to clean things up.
3/05/2009 12:29:00 AM
I'm guessing many others share your opinion. I believe that there is a real solid core of intelligent thinkers who read and enjoy and cheer for this blog, most of whom are Chicago Police Officers.
I also believe that the blog suffers from a sort of "Jerry Springer" effect where some in the audience shout down any intellectual thoughts that don't mirror their own. Many commenter's, like in a Springer audience, attack, intimidate and try to humiliate their imagined enemy. Any objectionable ideas are met with name calling, obscenities and a mob mentality to "get off the blog, you asshat".
I believe the result is that intelligent folks, if they go to the site at all, do so more out of the same guttural attraction that causes people on the highway to look for dead bodies at a car wreck.
The Jerry Springer Show made a choice years ago to exalt the underbelly of society, the under and uneducated, the circus people and the trailer trash of America. It has been a surprisingly successful formula in terms of remaining on the air. It also is pretty much recognized for what it is: a carnival sideshow unworthy of any intellectual or artistic merit.
Second City Cop, nearing its 4th anniversary, certainly has developed and refined his own style and format that he is comfortable with and pleases him and that he sees as successful. I'm afraid, however, that like the Springer show, the lack of inspired audience input will result in the same stale recognition of SCC as a carnival sideshow.
Give them nothing take from them everything .
Aren't you glad you took that Police Exam ?
Those of us out in the community understand why you don't want to put names out based on accusations, and understand that most of them are worthless, but there is so little confidence that anything would be sustained even if it were blatently deserved (if it were a connected cop, doy ou think it would be sustained?) that complaints are the only measure that we might be able to see that hasn't already been whitewashed by protection.
WOW; from hotstot G-man, to a chief of a has-been third world PD,
now down to a yardbird!!
Thats a bigger fall from grace than blago...
Well, if that's not CONDUCT UNBECOMING I don't know what is!!! Hell, if I decide to skip court, its a verbal admonishment at a minimum... but to ignore a judge? I hope he strips himself, sends himself to callback, and calls his fbi buddies to investigate. Surely he can be charged with something, after all! Strange, J-FED is finally put in the awkward position of doing what is RIGHT vs doing what some bozo judge has decided is LEGAL... Hmmmm. right vs legal... hey, welcome to our world, the gray world of policing feddy boy!
"To those of you bitching about 2211, 3rd Watch: You are way out of line. I live on the beat but work elsewhere. Believe me, I hate that I spend every night in the ghetto while my neighborhood is left hugely unprotected. It helps, however, that the guy working afternoons does live here and does care about the area and does a damn good job patrolling it."
I agree!!!
My shirt is blue. I have the flu. I gotta stay home. How bout you?
BILL COZZI CHARACTER LETTERS 03/04/09
Bill Cozzi is scheduled for sentencing on April 30, 2009. Here is your chance to show your support for Bill. Please take the time to write a character letter on Bill's behalf.
............time to see how many TRUE Cozzi supporters are out there...time to put the money where your mouth is
If this passes they HAVE to change the way we get CR's. They're making us out to be guilty of the allegation even though we were proved innocent. If you work in a busy district, and actually work, you are bound to get CR's. There's no way around it. They know the game so they play it. If we start letting that affect the way we police then we have lost this game. Every copper i have talked to said if this list comes out they are done, absolutely done. Just going to calls, write a parker or two and turn a blind eye to the rest. I really can't believe it's come to this, but i have to say i agree with them.
Remember the days when the state's attorney, judge and police all worked together? Now we pretty much all hate each other and are out to get one another. This is really getting to be a bad culture we're apart of. When the ASA's and the Judge's don't have our backs what are we to do?
That picture would make a great T-shirt.
Let's see if he sells out his people.
Hey, 3/05/2009 02:14:00 AM, the current 2211 has only been working 2211 3rd watch for a few weeks. Relax "life long pal"...
You know....I admire what you do SCC and the cops you represent.
But I'm damned tired of 'liberals' always being the bad guy on this site.
There's guilt in every corner. Let's just agree to disagree and work together to clean things up.
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You're right there are badguys in every corner and I don't know any cops who actually support dirty officers. The issue is that there is no correlation between dirty officers and the release of this list. Why does this attorney need the list of every officer in the city did they all have contact with his client?
Sgt. Stacey, the drive-by chauffeur, and her idiot husband(the cause of this lawsuit) have been a fucking blight on this department. They both should have been fired years ago.
For the visitors of this site who don't understand the CR process let me give you some insight. A small percentage of cops work in busy districts and in doing so have most of their contact with career criminals. Career criminals regulary file complaints because they hope it will either help their case or give them a shot at the ghetto loterry. When you average a felony arrest a day thats over 200 arrests a year 10,000 over 5 years. How likely do you think it is to get 5 complaints out of 10,000 arrests?
ha ha ha...what liberal Chicago resident dont understand is that they ultimately lose not us...I have a pistola on me 24-7...any monkey business and Mookie gets da dirt nap...now on da udder hand...average joe citizen....not so much...liberal citizen got two choices...give po po back its police powers or hop for concealed carry law...ha ha ha jokes on you Fitzgerald!
j-fed-- if you are counting on kirby to save you i would be seriously worried-- bring an overnight bag and a couple of changes of clothes with you monday. is your buddy shortshanks coming to court with you since he has publicly backed your decision to defy judge's order.
Anonymous said...
Captains were made today (not on paper) but they all go the call. Class starts Monday - Friday. Then done. All inside people/Unit people again. Big fucking suprise...
3/05/2009 12:11:00 AM
More "merit" as usual! This ship is sinking faster than the titanic! when the list comes out taylor and the scumbag crew will sue! mara georges and her band of hacks will recommend payment and old oily eddie burke head of finance committee will just pay out! eddie will not help with contract and if you need an mri but being a lawyer himself jumps on the opportunity to give "our" money way! maybe he needs more "valets"!
Don't think that Jfed is looking out for us on this one. Remember that a CR# is issued at the time a complaint is made, before a second of investigation has taking place. This is the department's fault for implementing a system that makes officers guilty until proven innocent. They came up with this system and now its going to bite them in the ass. That's why they're fighting this, to avoid paying out lawsuits, not to save the reputation of the officers.
Jfed thinks we're a bunch of idiots and would do away with us all if he could. He wouldn't care if this only effected the officers.
On a side note, if you haven't received five CR#'s since 2000 you either haven't been conducting proactive police work or you work inside. That is just plain reality.
Anonymous said...
Time for officers to pull out of the ghettos. Transfer to the districts they live to guard their own home fronts!
3/05/2009 02:58:00 AM
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I couldn't agree more!! I know maybe getting to some of these districts isn't easy, but you've gotta try. I work in 022 but have 23 yrs on so getting here was easy. I can sympathize with some of you younger Officers who can't get to your "homeland", but as soon as you can, make the move! Too many Officers want their blocks personally patrolled for 8 hours, but don't want to leave their cush job. Can't have your cake and eat it, too! Although the majority of the Officers in 022 are out there trying to do the right thing, we can always use more of us who are concerned about OUR neighborhood! Let this job work for YOU!
BE SAFE!
TO: 03:41 AM: HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-------------------
Jey Jody,
how does it feel to be the middle of a Shit Sandwich, with a Daley Bread slice and a Commie Lib News Media Bread slice squeezing you every day, just like us down in the Trenches.
Welcome again, to SHIT-Cago, Crook County.
I'm locked up they won't let me out...locked up...
SCC, we all know how much distaste you have for Jody as do many of us. But for once, give the guy some credit. In this case, he is looking out for our best.
You judge many people on this blog. Most of which you have never met but just heard nasty rumors from some of the most vicious creatures on this planet - Chicago Patrolmen. So please take a deep breath and think about who you are talking shit about before you actually post it and think about where that info actually comes from. I've met most of the ugliest and cruelest people in my life while working this job and many of them have driven next to me in the front seat of a squad car. Keep that in mind, SCC, and please don't turn into one of those people. Life is too short to spread that hatred.
Does this include bogus beefs that went nowhere?
Since none of the BS newspapers in this town want to explain that this list includes unfounded complaints and complaints for many things other than excessive force, how about we see an FOP press release?
... you watch ... old possum head is going to take one for the team ..
... he's our martyr ya know
...he'll be sending out 'kites' for general orders
But I'm damned tired of 'liberals' always being the bad guy on this site.
Liberals ARE the bad guy. You have ruined this country, possibly past the point of no return.
maybe he should send chalkie in his place!!!
dont do shit
let these lawyers look for work elsewhere
if we do not make arrest, there are no CR'S, no lawsuits ect..
Five CR#'s in a nine year period isn't that bad, really. That's less than one a year. What I'm getting at is, it's very easy to get complaints lodged against you even if you're not a working officer. If you are a working officer, five complaints in nine years is almost nothing.What are the lawyers up to here and just what do they want this info. for? Now I'm sure I'm one of the guys with at least five CR's and I bet this is the beginning phase of a massive class action lawsuit against the city and dept. to bleed as much money out of the city as possible by certain law firms we all know and love. In effect, it will be the biggest nuisance civil suit in city history. I would put money on it if I were a betting man.
Well IM gonna do MY part and donate a fresh jar of Vaseline for Jfed for his going away gift.
Ladies and gentleman what we've become is customer service not the police.We might as well be compared to Wal-mart if the customer isn't satisfied they request a manager a.k.a sarge. The days of being the police are over.Then if the customer really isn't satisfied they complain to the corporate offices a.k.a IPRA.No wonder why shitheads no longer take us seriously, Christ people bitch about the language we use.So give them what they want.Blindfolds are on sale at Target!!!
To those of you bitching about 2211, 3rd Watch: You are way out of line. I live on the beat but work elsewhere.....
I too work in 022 and live in 022. Just like all of you who work else where, we do go west of Western, we do patrol around Metra and we do patrol the parks. And just like you, we stop for coffee,we take lunch and we're short handed in the field. Those of you who do work in other units who we greet as you're going to work or working around your house, you know we're out there. For those who are determined to put us down, come join us. We had 5 openings last period. We're brothers and sisters in Blue just like all of you.
And BTW thanks to 3/05/2009 02:14:00 AM for the support.
Be Safe All
Will J-Fed be stripped? If so by whom? Will he be detailed to call back? Hahahahah
Is it possible to go down to court on Monday morning and support Jody for what he's doing?????
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I really hope you are KIDDING!
Anonymous said...
You know....I admire what you do SCC and the cops you represent.
But I'm damned tired of 'liberals' always being the bad guy on this site.
There's guilt in every corner. Let's just agree to disagree and work together to clean things up.
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eh, pal, we don't NEED your help to clean things up, we need you to stand the fuck back and stay out of our way. WE'RE the police, NOT YOU. YOU don't know shit about how to accomplish this task, WE DO.
The day you and your ilk stop interfering with your little CAPS meetings where you think you can tell the police how to do our job, and the day you walk up to the next jagoff you see with a camera trying to film the police so he can put his bullshit little slant on what he THINKS he sees and smash that camera the fuck outta the other liberal's hand and tell them to stay outta our way, THEN maybe we'll decide to get the job done, fill the jails, keep the one-shot attorney's in business along with the entire subeconomy we like to call THE PENAL SYSTEM.
Until then, just keep filing your bullshit lawsuits, interfering with our work and wasting ALL taxpayers money while you go crying to the next liberal that will listen, cause we don't give a shit!
Pass it on, liberal.
na na na na--- na na na na---hey hey hey--- good bye
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na na na na--- na na na na---hey hey hey--- good bye
"You want to rebuild confidence Mr. Mayor?" --- No, he wants to keep pissing away tax dollars on those he thinks will vote for him in the next rigged election
and they've already offered to produce a list with officer identifying information redacted, but that ain't good enough for judge liberal. The only purpose the names serve is to make these attorneys that much richer by having the names of officers who've already been accused to compare with all their new clients beefs.
It gives them all the ammo they need to stay in the cop bashing taxpayer busting business for decades to come by having names. Not to mention how much do you think they could sell that list to other scumbag attorneys for, or act as consultants for future lawsuits by offering to "research" their list of "abusers"? Millions duder, millions.
Watch arrests and activity in this City go to zero!
The bad guys get the upper hand by this judge!
I would really hate to live in one of these crime infested hoods now, not that I would ever in the past!
The police will do nothing to combat crime, that is what the liberals want! A do nothing police force ducking jobs!
I don't want to see Weis locked up, but this incident light be what is needed to make the sleepy Supt. open his eyes and see that he is in way over his head, and that he is bent over & holding his ankles at the request of Shortshanks. Start packing J-Fed, the sooner the better.
Keep busting your ass for JPUD and the city of Shitcago and you will see what happens...
Just remember, lots of bosses with lots of cr's.....and we would'nt want to embaress anyone now would we?
If they have to release the list just give em star numbers or employee numbers, there ASS HOLE FLINT NOW YOU CANT SAY YOU DIDN"T GET THE LIST!!!!!!!
This has nothing to do with liberals, your fight is with the mayor and lack of a contract. The hard working families in the city are not selling drugs, robbing or killing people. But there are cops who refuse to look at each person as a individual and place labels due to other frustrations. Just my opinion. And that is what leads to some of the complaints.
So letme get this right I got 5 cr#'s since 2000 (THATS FUCKIN 9 YEARS) according to our contract they are suppose to be destroyed after 5 years after the date of the incident section 8.4 of OUR CONTRACT!!!!!!!!! so If the City releases anything that is other than a police board case Iguess we have at least an unfair labor practice charge!!!!! Excessive Force beefs are only suppose tobe kept for 7 years
I've been working on a case for awhile where my targets have banded together and it seems like every week or so one of them files a complaint against me.
IAD--over and over and over again. IAD knows the routine, even if you don't think they do.
The public will not see the list for what it is--a concerted effort by established criminals to try to intimidate coppers to leave them alone.
In my case it has worked, not because I'm afraid of them, I'm worn out and see no reason to put my ass on the line for this crappy mayor and supt.
A detective is still a blue shirt.
And I'm done, done, done.
Actually, if the list comes out, I'm proud I'll be on it.
No more though, no more.
Weis isn't doing this for our benefit, don't kid yourselves.
It is a done deal, the list will be released. They are just doing the dog and pony show to bolster support for J-Fed within the CPD.
They knew the list was going to be released months ago, hence the transfer of certain people to less sensitive positions to head off public criticism.
Don't be fooled by this nonsense, if you are on the list you now know. It is going to be released, big deal.
Consult an attorney to see if you have any legal recourse, other than that who really cares.
Wake-up People, this is just a job now. Do the bare minimum and no more, unless you want to suffer or go to the joint.
We need a revolution. Blue states can have the liberal judges, Michael Moore and Opera. They can ban all the guns they want, and have free health care. The can kill all the unwanted babies asleep in their mommy's womb. Oh, they can have Obama, Hillary and Rahm. Red states get Rush, coulter and John McCain. We will have a free Market, less government and more religon, guns and family dinners.
12:29 AM OK..you quit being a bleeding heart liberal and things will get cleaned up and you weren't invited here you are a snooper go f&*k yourself
Frank Main on Chicago Tonight.
Will he loose his fed pension?
He will have to go to call back section! Will a Cr # be obtained?
For the visitors of this site who don't understand the CR process let me give you some insight. A small percentage of cops work in busy districts and in doing so have most of their contact with career criminals. Career criminals regulary file complaints because they hope it will either help their case or give them a shot at the ghetto loterry. When you average a felony arrest a day thats over 200 arrests a year 10,000 over 5 years. How likely do you think it is to get 5 complaints out of 10,000 arrests?
3/05/2009 12:11:00 PM
Slow down stud. Math is not your strong suit, stop talking, you may seem more intelligent.
"Well IM gonna do MY part and donate a fresh jar of Vaseline for Jfed for his going away gift.
3/05/2009 02:06:00 PM"
Why a fresh jar?
Kudos for the City to stand up against this fishing expedition. JFed will grovel but stay free, the city will appeal and (should) win.
However, call me cynical, but there is an agenda, and its not about having anyone's back or keeping CPD as any sort of organization, its -- wait for it -- $$$$! Waving the white flag is habit with the city's attorneys, and if starts Mookie mining the list for names and filing applications for the ghetto lottery, the City would quickly run out of white flags to wave and cash to pay out. Daley has already sold off all the appliances and furniture to by Olympic brand crack.
I know that this issue has been fought and won by PD's in the burbs. "Turn over all you disciplinary records" has been met with "Bite me". Appeals follow. The mutt gets antsy, waiting for his payout to get his Hummer, plasma TV and blow; and reduced settlements are made.
Speaking of people that can kiss my left one, (we weren't?)Channel 2 last night managed to work in an Abbate video clip when reporting this under the thin guise of saying J Fed was brought from the FBI to clean up CPD "...because of incidents like this beating, blah blah blah." What a crock.
Let's just agree to disagree and work together to clean things up.
3/05/2009 12:29:00 AM
Can we sing Kumbayya too?
To 3/05/2009 01:01:00 PM
Yes
So here's a question for SCC.
You're a great straight-talker. And I love you. And I will keep loving you.
But you have a stubborn streak that really diminishes your credibility.
In this post, the Superintendent is clearly going to bat for the front-line officers. He's standing behind you in a big way. He's doing something you *always* ask him/ want him to do, and call him out as soon as you perceive him not doing it. And then he does it, and you ignore it.
Admit it. Weiss is coming through for you in this instance. For whatever reason, he's coming through.
Same goes for the evil big media. Great example-- the "wilding" post:
http://secondcitycop.blogspot.com/2009/02/wilding-downtown.html
You start off the post calling out the media: "Once again, the media is silent on this phenomenon"
That same day, NBC Chicago made this post: http://www.nbcchicago.com/blogs/localleads/Wilding_on_the_Mag_Mile.html pointing directly to you. I'm guessing you saw that in your referrers, but it was never acknowledged.
It might be time to cut the crap and grow up a little bit.
I agree with the post that would like to see all the complaints against attorneys. And how about ALL criminal history of alder-creatures???? And while were at it....All history on All City employee's??? Why Not?????
Will Jody soon dance the Jailhouse Rock ??? Will he get bailed out??? Will the "G" get some dirt on the Judge and threaten to release it if Jody is put in the Slammer? Will Daley do the Irish Jig in Delight, or the Hokey Pokey in the Pokey , along with Jody and Richies dirty Cabal butt-buddies? Will Obama call and spring em all??? Stay tuned to the next episode of Little Moscow by the Lake...
This will lead to showing a pattern of excessive force, warranted or not, that will be pushed by the Lib. Police Haters, and their Shark Lawyers, who already smell money. There will be both bad and good Cops fired over this stuff if it happens. The political climate is 100% ripe for this kind of shit, and more stuff even worse, to come.
Jody should request a Change of Venue to up north in Lake County, to assure non-political decision made by a neutral Judge, not these A-Holes here, is made. Watch how fast it gets launched out of Court up there, for violating an officers privacy rights, on non-sustained complaints by criminal "victims" whose criminal backgrounds weren't correctly entered into the Complaints against the Officers, as a possible reason for lieing on an Officer, and the victim "criminal not having to take a polygraph examto substantiate his side of the allegations.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
So letme get this right I got 5 cr#'s since 2000 (THATS FUCKIN 9 YEARS) according to our contract they are suppose to be destroyed after 5 years after the date of the incident section 8.4 of OUR CONTRACT!!!!!!!!! so If the City releases anything that is other than a police board case Iguess we have at least an unfair labor practice charge!!!!! Excessive Force beefs are only suppose tobe kept for 7 years
3/05/2009 06:00:00 PM
I'm not being a smart ass here, but do you really believe they ever destroy any of the CR's? I don't.
The PLO has been around for years and is still a communist cell. Publishing a list of police officers with cr# will effectively render the police protection in the city almost non-existant. That was always their (PLO) goal. Destroy the first line of defense. Maybe publishing a list of judges, federal and circuit, who overturned jury verdics or cut people loose on questionable cases, only to commit violent crimes again and again should also be published and print the political connections they have. We could go on an on with this shit. Truth is, this could become a very dangerous city. All you great leaders with your merit positions remember, if this happens it with be the fault of the great mayor Daley. Good Luck to All.
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Nice J-FED, we are so glad to see that nothing has changed.
The Screaming Skull must be going nutz with all these minorities. Oh yeah there is a WALSH ON THE LIST...Is this the same one with an out of state sexual harrassment arrest...But he's a WALLLLLLSH.... Whayyyyyyyyy....Nice job you crossed eyed goof!
the only reason cross eye wont give the list yet is because CLINE wouldnt, NEVER, NEVER EVER.
J-fed WILL IT'S JUST A MATTER OF SECONDS BEFORE HE FOLDS!
OK, WHY DON'T THEY ALLOW THE GREAT CITIZENS OF CHICAGO TO FILE COMPLAINTS AGAINST THE ALDERMEN AND MAYOR FOR ANY GRIPE THROUGH A SYSTEM LIKE IPRA OR EVEN THE 311. THEN THEY WILL SEE HOW MANT BULLSHIT COMPLAINTS GET FILED AGAIST THEM!
... I was at 26th/Cal today in room 30_ and heard from the judges mouth, "This place is getting really empty", Wow! I said, go figure! All I have to say is remember the movie, Escape from New York...
"Keep busting your ass for JPUD and the city of Shitcago and you will see what happens...
3/05/2009 04:57:00 PM"
Well Over 40 some POs just transferred into MSF so evidently they're Heroes in their own Mind or just F'NG MORONS?
Couldn't agree more SCC... What the fuck does this lawsuit have anything to do with officers having at least 5 c/r's in a 9 year period. Once again another example of a nut-case, brain-dead, liberal judge not qualified to work at white castle. I'd rather work with a partner that had at least 5 c/r's in 9 yrs over one that had zero c/r's in 9 yrs. If you are locking up assholes on a regular basis, there is no fucking way in hell you wont have at least 5 complaints in 9 years. It would be a shame if some piece of shit pulled a Lefko on this asshole judges family.
3/05/2009 03:16:00 AM
We see your point Batman. The truth is most people in fast districts do not average that many felony arrests a year. Long story short, it's not about Batman, X-Men, or Underdog. It is about the average cop who does his job anywhere in the City and gets targeted for scrutiny. Let's face it, we are not Fargo Police.
Easy solution, delete the list!tell the judge the dept. doesnt want to put officers at risk of lawsuits. You should only keep a list of sustained cr's and shit can unfounded/exonerated beefs.
Let's face it, we are not Fargo Police
I was just thinking we could take care of it right here, in Brainerd.
JPUKE is a rule violator
Never a dull moment in the CPD!
"OK, WHY DON'T THEY ALLOW THE GREAT CITIZENS OF CHICAGO TO FILE COMPLAINTS AGAINST THE ALDERMEN AND MAYOR FOR ANY GRIPE THROUGH A SYSTEM LIKE IPRA OR EVEN THE 311. THEN THEY WILL SEE HOW MANT BULLSHIT COMPLAINTS GET FILED AGAIST THEM!
3/05/2009 10:22:00 PM"
Actually, the vast majority would be ABOUT the bullshit being practiced by the aforementioned mayor and aldermen......
"It might be time to cut the crap and grow up a little bit.
3/05/2009 07:53:00 PM"
Remember that thought when you're in need of law enforcement assistance.
And try not to shit yourself while waiting to be rescued.
"And that is what leads to some of the complaints.
3/05/2009 05:53:00 PM"
You have no idea of the nature of the vast majority of these 'complaints', do you?
Anonymous said...
Citizens pay your salaries. They have a right to know who has complaints against them. It doesn't mean the complaints are legit, but that is part of the deal when you work for the government. It is called transparency. Stop embracing fascism.
3/05/2009 09:05:00 AM
Ok, the old 'I pay your salary" bit. First, I consider myself self-employed. I pay as much for my own salary as you do. Second, you have NO right to know who has complaints ALLEGED against them... Proven perhaps, but alleged? No. As far as fascism goes, perhaps you shouldn't be judging everyone who has a mere complaint ALLEGATION... Police officers should be entitled to due process just like joe citizen. Anyway, since you pay my salary, are you going to increase my insurance benefits? Because that was 'part of the deal' when I signed up. I also had due process as 'part of the deal'... I don't have that anymore, thanks in large part to fascists like yourself. Also, when I began this trip into public service, 'part of the deal' was that schmucks like you would allow us to do our jobs. That has changed. As far as transparency, I find it odd that you hide behind 'anonymous' on a police blog. I'd gladly post my name, but I don't have due process and would likely be punished for having viewpoints that do not coincide with your liberal, fascist agenda.
This one affects every department member. We need to protest down at the federal building. This is not about Jody, this about us, our families and our reputation.
We also need to start holding these judges more accountable. Judges are not above the law.
I call for zero tolerence and no more discretion on the streets.
Tell all of the citizens to thank the federal judge, who probably lives in some nice suburb!
heavy hands said...
CRedit where credit is due I say. Thanks Jody. I KNOW I AM ONE OF THOSE NAMES..and I appreciate it.
3/05/2009 09:26:00 AM
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It cracks me up when some people claim, "I am a tax payer and pay your salary"! Well the bank tellers salary is paid by the customers, the nurses salary is paid by the patients, the bakers salary is paid by the customers, the stock brokers salary is paid by the investors! Does that mean we are entitled to know how they run their business or office and how they are disciplined, etc.? You my friend, as a taxpayer, pay your dues to receive the necessities this society requires. Your taxes go into the chicago's purse. How the salaries are paid or the day-to-day business is run is up to your ELECTED officials. That is where and when you get your say!
Quit bull shittin' me about 022. Yeah, you guys take lunch and get coffee like the rest of us...BUT you do it multiple times a day. I drive home from the ghetto every night and see multiple cars, marked and unmarked in the 7-11 parking lot on 103 and Western. It's like that when I leave for work too. At least there won't be a robbery at the Sevie...
Police officers should be entitled to due process just like joe citizen.
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Agreed. The thing is that due process generally requires a certain amount of transparency that is sadly lacking in CPD's CR system.
In essence, the city investigates, judges, and punishes cops for alleged misconduct.
It should not come as a big surprise to anyone, especially Chicago cops, that there may not be a whole lot of faith put in that process, especially when it is done mostly in secret with virtually no oversight from the outside.
secret tribunals are not what america is about.
"Citizens pay your salaries. They have a right to know who has complaints against them. It doesn't mean the complaints are legit, but that is part of the deal when you work for the government. It is called transparency. Stop embracing fascism.
3/05/2009 09:05:00 AM"
Said the fascist.
You have no idea of the nature of the vast majority of these 'complaints', do you?
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I would be willing to bet that most of the average citizens out there do indeed understand that most of the complaints are bogus.
Offenders are going to abuse the system. Thats what they do.
I drive home from the ghetto every night and see multiple cars, marked and unmarked in the 7-11 parking lot on 103 and Western. It's like that when I leave for work too. At least there won't be a robbery at the Sevie...
3/06/2009 12:51:00 PM
umm...Sherlock..those aren't all 022nd District cars, now go home to mommy.
"secret tribunals are not what america is about.
3/06/2009 01:06:00 PM"
Tell that to your boss, the midget king.
"I call for zero tolerence and no more discretion on the streets.
Tell all of the citizens to thank the federal judge, who probably lives in some nice suburb!
3/06/2009 09:19:00 AM"
Make that 1000% tolerance, total discretion and let the citizens have what they think they want.
It's the only way to wake up the sleepy heads.
Oh, and thanks for your input, Jody, and your immense ignorance of what it means to be the police.
Rumor has it Alternate Response is putting an additional 300 terminals in and an extra coffee machine to accomodate the incoming personnel!
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To the jackass that felt the need to correct me, stating that 2211 has only been on the beat for a few weeks: Wrong. The guy I'm talking about has been 2211 for over a year. And I never said I'm a life-long pal. I said that I know what kind of copper he is. He's good police. Period.
The answer to the problem the department created is not to take every complaint a citizens makes. If someone has a complaint against an officer or the services rendered, have that person call their perspective district. Have the W/C take the complaint instead of watching TV all day and determine if that complaint merits a cr investigation, if he determines that no rules were violated or the officers actions were lawful, tell the citizen to go take a walk. If a number is initiated have them come in and sign an affidavit and advised them they can be prosecuted if the allegations are proven to be false. The day of anonymous complaints and taking a complaint for any reason should be over!
3/05/2009 01:08x
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Amen, someone with common sense, but they won't promote you,they only promote those without common sense, it happens on the fire department too, complaints from shitheads that tell us, "do your job" when they never had job. The complaints should be squashed right away.
As a recovering jailguard, having spent many moons on the "other" fine dept. The shortage of heads in the Casa Del ShitHouse is a tell tale sign that the deptments lack of support has ramifications.
The answer to the problem the department created is not to take every complaint a citizens makes. If someone has a complaint against an officer or the services rendered, have that person call their perspective district. Have the W/C take the complaint instead of watching TV all day and determine if that complaint merits a cr investigation, if he determines that no rules were violated or the officers actions were lawful, tell the citizen to go take a walk.
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that kind of misses the point about having a more open invesitgation system.
many police departments in the past have either had no complaint process or refused to accept complaints about police conduct.
most of the answer is a more transparent process that is able to be completed quicker.
"most of the answer is a more transparent process that is able to be completed quicker.
3/08/2009 12:06:00 PM"
No, the 'answer' is for every complaint there must be a sworn and signed affidavit, by the complainant and any/all witnesses to the complained about event, with the followup being, should the complaint be determined to be false, said signatories be subject to prosecution for perjury.
No sworn, signed affidavit = no complaint taken.
No proven allegations = prosecution for perjury.
If the city wants to amend the law to provide for a fine, as punishment/deterrence for lying on a sworn and signed affidavit submitted for a citizen's complaint against law enforcement officers, of, say, $1,000 for the 1st offence, $5,000 for the 2nd, $10,000 for the 3rd, etc., that would end this nonsense pretty damn quickly.
Of course, the criteria used to prove, or disprove, an allegation of misconduct must be as stringent and rigorous as the 'beyond a reasonable doubt' standard, not the 'preponderance of the evidence' standard.
Also, those employed to investigate complaints must be vetted, bonded and held personally responsible for due diligence, honesty and professional level investigative skills.
If the public wants fairness, honesty and professionalism from those who are employed to enforce the law, those who investigate and adjudicate complaints concerning said law enforcement employees, as well as the citizens themselves, should be held to those same standards.
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