Low Arrest Numbers
Here's the thing that bugs us most about the "low arrest numbers" memo being circulated around:
- According to everything that HQ is releasing to the media, crime is down;
- Homicides are down;
- Burglaries, Robberies, even Thefts are down;
- Gun Seizures are up (but over 200 of those "seized" were a gun collection owned by a cop who died...shhhhh);
- Aggravated Batteries are up, but no one is talking about those, so they don't exist;
But since overall crime is down, shouldn't arrests be down, too? We locked up all the really bad guys, so there are less of them around doing bad things, right? It would seem to follow.
So carrying this memo to it's logical conclusion, we should be locking up people based on what? Do we really want to go that route?
There have been a whole series of comments we've deleted that run along the same lines:
So carrying this memo to it's logical conclusion, we should be locking up people based on what? Do we really want to go that route?
There have been a whole series of comments we've deleted that run along the same lines:
- stop whining
- do your jobs
- you are all crybaby bitches
We regularly delete crap that paints everyone with a broad brush, and it doesn't really contribute to the discussion, so no great loss. But we challenge any one of those commenting along those lines to show us exactly where in the General Orders, Directives, Policies or Procedures that you are required to make an arrest in the course of your daily duties.
It says "Serve and Protect." Not "Serve, Protect and Railroad Someone for a Numbers Game." No matter if they deserve it and certainly not under these conditions.
It says "Serve and Protect." Not "Serve, Protect and Railroad Someone for a Numbers Game." No matter if they deserve it and certainly not under these conditions.
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:17 AM
157 Comments:
but over 200 of those "seized" were a gun collection owned by a cop who died...shhhhh
Actually 71
Just came back from having my fortune read. When it came to work I was told that my boss will be gone soon!!! I inquired about which boss since I am a bottom feeder. She said it was the the top person in charge. Needing to know more I asked whats my bosses title. All she said was he is known as Boss. It came to me that this is what Royko called RJD. I asked where will Boss be going she stated that he will be gone and won't be coming back. I really don't believe in fortunes but wow I may start to believe if Da Mayo is bye bye soon.
Me thinks the numbers game stopped right around the time the bosses quit bending over backwards for the troops. Now they are forced to bend the other way.
W.C.s now have to do a report explaining why certain officers who have been "flagged" have such low numbers...
Which brings up the question, "What do you mean by 'low'?"
honestly, i'm a proactive worker. but it's so hard when we're getting 15-20 jobs a night or 4-5 paper jobs a night... sometimes it is just never ending. it's almost impossible to be proactive in a busy district. unless you are on tact or an 06 car.
I'll run a couple of names now and then. Does that make me a superior cop? Those numb nuts in charge of this bullshit need to be piss tested.
If they think arrests are down now, just wait. You better start handing ticket books out to every department because the revenue generation from the CPD will grind to a complete halt.
Asshats.
You see this playing out in north side districts most noteably with parking tickets.
It's slow so coppers have time to write lots of tickets and many do.
The residents of the dist. are decent, realativly inteligent and learn to comply w/ laws to avoid costly tickets.
Of course, last years index must be exceeded so the brass pressures blue shirts.
The blueshirts respond to whiteshirt pressure and a shrinking pool of violators by writing questionable violations to maintain/increase numbers.
ENFORCEMENT CAUSES COMPLIANCE AND NUMBERS FALL.......This is about compliance, right ?
The whole idea behind giving police discretion is common sense. If we were forced to write, cite, and arrest we wouldn't make it two blocks from the station. That's why I hate the morons who put us in the media for negative reasons. Take the Jeff Tap boys. Did they do anything criminal. Absolutely not. Did they have their heads up their ass. Yes. Now I understand that no one is perfect but give the liberals and inch and they'll take an astronomical unit. Situations like these is what makes it popular for the demo'rats to question us. And when people question and limit the very entity that protects them, the issue is compounded to the point you have talking-heads like Weiss scrambling for ideas to the point he's digging up answers that were proven to be shit years ago. All that being said, when the hell is Daley going to prison and will the FOP be hosting a party?
Its all bullshit! Look at the numbers from 3,4,5,6,and 22. Agg batts down? HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Mumbai, chicago style.
I guess I would say that they may want to rethink what they are pushing. I imagine that if everyone at one point started to arrest every BS onview infraction, well the shit would hit the fan...
(sad part is the people would learn the harder way that the city has shorted them again).
I thought I heard a faint "Oh shit" from the direction of the big and powerful FOP, maybe I'm wrong, but I think there is already an issue that could be construed as an officer safety that trumps management decision.
I'm starting to look at them as training a dog, they bark nice on command, they even show their teeth once in awhile, but when you need them to get'em, you have to look at all the times they turn and bit the handler...
I’d love to see a thread on what the 98% of working coppers feel about the 2% dog asses on this job. You Know, the ones nobody wants to talk about ; the guys and broads that blow off a job, stay down so you can handle all the crap on their beat, who avoid locking up someone who needs to go –only to leave a worse situation for the next poor blue shirt that shows up. They are out there we all know it, the mutt nobody want to work with. Back in the day we would have just smashed his car windows….but times have changed and now we just ignore them. Hell, I bet you could argue they post more on SSC than anyone else.
So what are we to do with these underachievers…. 12 months, no arrests, 14 parkers, 6 movers…… WTF. Are we supposed to defend these guys? My bet is most will blame the Sgt’s and watch commander for not hammering the pooch……ahhh the old double standard…. “ Hey Officer Do Nothing Dog, hold up your share.” ….Ohhhh that’s a quota…..Please ? Give me a Break !
Repeat after me, "Weis is a stooge, Weis is a stooge, Weis is a stooge!" Do you think he would go public and tell the City to give us a contract? 310K means he don't give a fuck!
Numbers game? What are you talking about? I font have to lock anyone up!
-tact
How about inattention to duty you fools. You took an oath and should stand by it!
"but over 200 of those "seized" were a gun collection owned by a cop who died...shhhhh
Actually 71"
5/15/2009 12:41:00 AM
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Seeing that happen was the low-point of my career.
why haven't you commented on the survey Weis just put out? It on the Clear homepage on left side.
http://www.surveymonkey.com/worksurvey
If they think arrests are down now, just wait. You better start handing ticket books out to every department because the revenue generation from the CPD will grind to a complete halt.
i wish i could agree with you. however that just wouldn't or wont happen. 2 many guys need to keep their tac spot and will keep it at any cost.
The sad part of all of this is, the longer the rank & file troops remain in "shut down" mode, the longer and more difficult task the next Supt will have of trying to reverse all of this (and we will have a new Supt. before the end of this year, even Shortshanks himself knows he will have to step in and make some effort to correct the huge mistake that we know as Jody Weis).
Anonymous said...
Me thinks the numbers game stopped right around the time the bosses quit bending over backwards for the troops. Now they are forced to bend the other way.
5/15/2009 12:55:00 AM
The Game stopped when they sat us down and told us they will go after us for Rule 14.
Ratings? Bring it on, please! we all know those who are walking around our units of assignments that don't do shit. Maybe they'll be "highlighted" and maybe they'll either get in line and do their damn job or get fired. I'm tired of seeing them sit around doing nothing. I'm tired of seeing them internet browsing/shopping at the desk. I'm tired of hearing "squad hold me down on a uniform adjustment". It counts even if you only answer radio jobs, but some don't ever do that. Those are the ones that ratings need to used for.
Let's get some numbers by locking up Phake Phather Phlagger for violating the city Ord for hanging his Phlag up side dow.
"Serve, Protect and Railroad Someone for a Numbers Game"
Welcome to the Suburbs!!
How about the 023 District Burglary Team who has never caught a burglary offender since being created TWO YEARS AGO!! It was put together so a Sodini's brother could work days and the other 20 people in the CAPS office needed a spot.
I'm not going to jail or get fired for any of these assholes. If they want arrests, they can go violate the rights of people themselves.
A classic example this is when the WC starts bitching about curfews in the dead of winter when the windchill is hovering around -10. No one is outside, deal with it. I'm not going to get fired because you want stupid fu*king curfews in January.
"I’d love to see a thread on what the 98% of working coppers feel about the 2% dog asses on this job. You Know, the ones nobody wants to talk about ; the guys and broads that blow off a job, stay down so you can handle all the crap on their beat, who avoid locking up someone who needs to go –only to leave a worse situation for the next poor blue shirt that shows up."
Sounds like you're familiar with 018...
We have every right to bitch, moan & complain!!
OT- Have they found the missing K9 pooch yet?
Obviously we are doing something right. If we weren't then they would not have come up with a plan to boost productivity. Keep it up everybody it's working.
fuck you punk who doesn't want to defend guys wo just answer there calls - so what he doesn't have any arrests and 14 parkers- who the fuck do you think is answering all the calls that this department is sort 2000 officers- so again fuck you and if you want to meet this dog ass to discuss your view let me know punk!
Arrest numbers are down, at least in part, because the civil courts are so busy picking away at law enforcement that no cop in his right mind would want to risk arresting anyone without an absolutely airtight case.
Probable cause? Nope: probable cause without a doubt is the new standard.
I arrest the mopes that actually need arrested. Surely, J-fraud wouldn't try to order me to arrest people who don't have it coming, would he?
Is he volunteering to be my codefendant when Pookie and Mookie and their reverend sue me?
to oldschoolCPD:
the problem now-a-days is that the dogs out weigh the working coppers. now the working coppers are looked down upon.
You're doing a disservice to yourself by censoring so much SCC. Yes, it's your blog. But I hope you are mindful of the fact that the Department that loves your blog (myself included) sometimes doesn't always agree with each other, or you. I think the idea that the Performace Evaluation System could be good for the Department doesn't mean that those of us who see the positive potential don't also see the obvious possibility for the negative. Yeah we have no contract and a ton of things to complain about-but we still have a job to do. I take pleasure in doing the best I can, and being surrounded by others who are willing to at least put in 50%. Contract or not, defending dogs isn't the way to go. Keep up the good work. -A sentimental copper from 025.
In fifteen years on this job i've worked two southside districts and am now west. ( a beat car for those of you that start beating me up after my comment). NO DISTRICT is an a rap every single day , all day. We're police, every now and then we're supposed to write a mover or two , a parker, an anov, make that quaility of life arrest. There is absolutely no excuse for an officer that works the streets every single day to come in with zeroes EVERY DAY.I dont think the dept. can quantify an officers value by numbers alone but come ON guys.. do SOMETHING! I've seen too many 2-4 year officers on this job that have the 1st and 16th mentality. That's shitty if you ask me . and morale on this dept. is high..? right
Off Topic:
Anyone interested is what is going on in Washington, DC at the National Memorial where CPD is honoring 3 fallen officers, go to the CPD Memorial site, report and photographs are there. Be safe.
Sorry OLD SCHOOL you got that one wrong! 98% working cops....think about it, that percentage really don't make sense to you. Twenty to 25% of the man power carries the rest to glory and retirement.
Always has been, always will be.
I say bring on the performance ratings!!! Daley has no clue what this job is about, and neither will the next mayor. Weis has no clue but he likes statistics. The media has no clue either but...
They all LOVE numbers.
And numbers will show how many calls you answer during a shift. How many reports are filed. How many BS calls (10 y/o won't go to school, babydaddy won't leave, etc) you go on.
If the public knew the real story they would see things differently. The numbers will tell the real story, and then they'll start asking about RAPS, equipment shortages, manpower. I say bring it on!!
Here is my suggestion. Yes Sir, You are right, I have been slacking. Now I shall go out and conquer. I'm starting with media vehicles and reverands!!
OldSchoolCPD said...
I’d love to see a thread on what the 98% of working coppers feel about the 2% dog asses on this job. You Know, the ones nobody wants to talk about ; the guys and broads that blow off a job, stay down so you can handle all the crap on their beat, who avoid locking up someone who needs to go –only to leave a worse situation for the next poor blue shirt that shows up. They are out there we all know it, the mutt nobody want to work with. Back in the day we would have just smashed his car windows….but times have changed and now we just ignore them. Hell, I bet you could argue they post more on SSC than anyone else.
So what are we to do with these underachievers…. 12 months, no arrests, 14 parkers, 6 movers…… WTF. Are we supposed to defend these guys? My bet is most will blame the Sgt’s and watch commander for not hammering the pooch……ahhh the old double standard…. “ Hey Officer Do Nothing Dog, hold up your share.” ….Ohhhh that’s a quota…..Please ? Give me a Break !
5/15/2009 07:18:00 AM
You can't change these dog asses. I've never seen one fired, or even disciplined for not doing their job with enthusiasm.
If they are connected, it's even worse. Now, trying to correct their behavior can draw phone calls from irate higher ups.
If these dogs were raised without any integrity or personal pride, far be it from any government institution to instill it in them at this point. They are a lost cause.
If the stats are all looking good, why tamper with anything?
Come on SCC
Today is National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Day. Shouldn’t that be your header today?
OldSchoolCPD said..
"...So what are we to do with these underachievers..."
5/15/2009 07:18:00 AM
My experience is that IF they respond at all, it will more likely be due to peer pressure than to pressure from a sgt.
In fact, when a sgt gets involved, other PO's may actually sympathize with Officer Do Nothing rather than let the 'white shirts' f*ck with the troops.
Mayor,
when the Cops make lots of arrests, and get many complaints along with the arrests,[as MOST people DON'T want to be Arrested, and will lie about the Police doing it] YOU COMPLAIN. When the Cops DON'T make enough arrests, and there are less complaints YOU COMPLAIN. What the FUCK do you and your tool CPD Bosses Expect? WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU?
Ah yes, the "INDEX". Quite a fancy word isn't it? It could mean almost anything couldn't it? That is, anything but "QUOTA" or so they say.
I agree. It's all relative.
Declining offenses equals declining arrests.
Now, on the other hand, if crimes were up and arrests were down; then the department could bitch and complain. But that is not the case.
Remember the days of sweeping a block and charging everyone with 193 (1)(a)?
That's "disorderly conduct" for J-Fed and the gel heads.
OldSchoolCPD said...
I’d love to see a thread on what the 98% of working coppers feel about the 2% dog asses on this job.
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Another neverbeenonthestreet HQ putz heard from, trying to come up with a new way to legitimize their bosses bullshit.
Go back to your cubicle little boy, no one gives a shit about your fake ass posts trying to make your loser boss look good.
Oh yeah. I checked off with 3 guns the other day. They were "turn-ins" by a recent widow. Sorry I could not lock her up for UUW. NOT!.
Hahahaha
Begg vs City of Park Ridge
Court case involves decision on quotas.
SCC,
You said: "It says "Serve and Protect." Not "Serve, Protect and Railroad Someone for a Numbers Game." No matter if they deserve it and certainly not under these conditions."
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I agree with you. The EDGE missions of the early 1990's are a perfect example. Teams went out on a numbers hunt. EDGE missions didn't stop crime; all it did was upset the community as "Bo-Bo" or "Ray-Ray" were arrested while walking to the store for baby milk, chips or grape drink.
Any word on the missing K-9 Bear? That was a sad story.
CTA supervisors have a quota of 10 tickets a week...got it straigt from the horses mouth.
That explains why a few weeks earlier a CTA guy asked me about plate covers.
Saw him writing tickets on Milwaukee around Irving Park.
http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2009/05/man-found-slain-at-convenience-store.html
So what are we to do with these underachievers…. 12 months, no arrests, 14 parkers, 6 movers…… WTF. Are we supposed to defend these guys? My bet is most will blame the Sgt’s and watch commander for not hammering the pooch……ahhh the old double standard…. “ Hey Officer Do Nothing Dog, hold up your share.” ….Ohhhh that’s a quota…..Please ? Give me a Break !
5/15/2009 07:18:00 AM
To hell with the underachievers and the desk lice.
As a supervisor I do not waste my time with do nothing dogs or house puppies.
My time is used helping and nurturing (motivating) the working copper.
“ Hey Officer Do Nothing Dog, hold up your share.” ….Ohhhh that’s a quota…..Please ? Give me a Break !
5/15/2009 07:18:00 AM
Fuck 'em. They'll need a favor some day and they won't have the face to ask.
(P.S. I don't hold their slips)
Their is no reason any copper should be writing tickets on these parking meters! And on cars w/ medallions, WTF!
"All that being said, when the hell is Daley going to prison and will the FOP be hosting a party?
5/15/2009 03:29:00 AM"
On the first part of your question, who the fuck knows.
As for the second part, they won't have to, the majority of the city will be dancing in the streets.
"5/15/2009 07:18:00 AM"
You haven't been keeping up with current events, have you?
"Gun Seizures are up (but over 200 of those "seized" were a gun collection owned by a cop who died...shhhhh)"
Not the first time I've heard stuff like this.
Copper's house gets burglarized; responding officers discover...
we have hundreds of do nothing dogs at water.and most got the mark of the beast. that being the two ones,DOG DALEY MUST GO!!!!!!!
I'll run a couple of names now and then. Does that make me a superior cop? Those numb nuts in charge of this bullshit need to be piss tested.
If they think arrests are down now, just wait. You better start handing ticket books out to every department because the revenue generation from the CPD will grind to a complete halt.
Asshats.
Dream on brother, tickets will continue to come in because this Dept. has too many ass kissers and company men and women working on the streets. They're too busy writing tickets to the working class for expired meters and driving while on their cell phones. They're too afraid to get bounced off their cars with their partners and lose their early start. These 2 to 5 year wonders are a bunch of shakey, brown-nose robots. It's the new CPD.
Wiesel Wiess = 310k A Year
Shitcago = Highest taxes
Daley = Corruption
Stroger LIAR = Corruption
Blagobitch = Corruption
Alderidiots = Corruption
Blue shirts = No contract 2 years?
YUP.....NO ARRESTS FOR ME!!!!!
Its hard to make a dog ass work,
but its easy to make a worker a dog ass!!
How about those want-a-bee super cops on 3rd watch in 015th. Yeah, they bring in BS pisser/drinkers and maybe 1 rock arrest. But come on now..you dont have to put 2-3 cars down(4-6 p.o.'s)for 2hrs. on that type of shit!!...Sgt's dont say shit(have some ball's)and then we have to pick up the back log jobs on your behalf....Fuckin 2-3 years wonders...GROW THE FUCK UP!...Oh yeah...then the sgt's or W/C let the M/1's on 3rd watch play basketball at the academy all fuckin day and get away with it (no slip)...Then when other p.o.'s ask for some time on the end (with slip) the sgt or w/c.... DENIED!! What the fuck is that shit!!!
Sgt's list out today??? Anyone? I'm RDO.
Hey "OLD SCHOOL CPD" Me thinks you may have forgotten to take your memory meds....It has NEVER been 98% of coppers doing the work and 2% of the rest dog asses....More like 30% doing the work and the rest just getting by...and if you disagree then you are really fooling someone....yourself. I have been on this job looooooong time and the kids with 10 or less years on this job are not like your or my era and have no desire or heart for this job ...it is just a job and they don't care what happens to the next guy as long as they get what they want...very sad.You and I can remember the times when we stood together and when something went wrong we took care of it and that was the end of it....no bitching...no complaining and no running to your sergeant....Today....forget it...when is my lunch, when do we go home...when do I get my furlough...etc....shut up and do your job or go find somewhere else to work....period.
There have been a whole series of comments we've deleted that run along the same lines:
* stop whining
* do your jobs
* you are all crybaby bitches
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Pay no attention to these, this is the shortshank 5th column in action....
honestly, i'm a proactive worker. but it's so hard when we're getting 15-20 jobs a night or 4-5 paper jobs a night... sometimes it is just never ending. it's almost impossible to be proactive in a busy district. unless you are on tact or an 06 car.
5/15/2009 01:14:00 AM
This is true
OT: Sorry, but this has been pissing me off. Read yesterday that the parking meter company that got Daley's blessing and this enormous contract for the next 100 years ADMITTED that they were not ready or prepared for the City of Chicago.
So can someone tell me WHY they would apply for a contract they were nowhere near equipped to deal with, and even more importantly, why in the fuck would the City GIVE this company the contract and RUSH this deal through the council?
It don't work like this in private industry folks.
I am trying to figure out how districts are categorized. I was told 3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,15,25 are busy districts. I was also told slow districts are 1,12,16,18,19,20,21,23. Where does that leave 2,13,14,17,22 and 24?
I saw an arrest candidate at Dearborn and Van Buren this afternoon. He didn't like having his picture taken, but I not so diplomatically replied that he was on the public way and I didn't need his consent!
SCC, Its great how you promote open discussions but then delete viewpoints you dont agree with and to boot you respond to some deleted posts but you withold the entire context of the post.
Why do i bother i assume this will be deleted also.
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The reverse side of low arrest figures by certain officers in a certain district is that OTHER officers will have to clean up the mess and make an arrest later.
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Is it unreasonable that the average arrest of the 26th distict 3rd watch is 100 for the year. but Officer A has 5 arrest on the watch. Shouldnt Officer A be informed of the disperity? Shouldnt Officer B with 150 arrest be rewarded some how?
All things being equal isnt Officer A placing his work load on others?
I will place a large bet that the same Officers with the higher than average arrest also have a higher average of "coded" jobs.
A Dog is a dog is a dog ! why cant these differences be pointed out??
Why cry about merit being about merit, if there is no system to judge officers by PERFORMANCE rather than clout?
or is it just another reason to bitch just to bitch ?
You need more dics and get them away from paper-pushing through the computer or just plain not doing anything. You need sgts and lts in the dic div that make sure dics investigate and make arrests. Too many look the other way and bog down the 5% who do the work.
honestly, i'm a proactive worker. but it's so hard when we're getting 15-20 jobs a night or 4-5 paper jobs a night...
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Now that is an acceptable excuse. I commend you young man.
But what about you cry baby no years on the job mutts who do not get hit with half the jobs ?
It is a blame game with generation "X" police. Blame the Supt, blame the mayor, blame my ass already.
Get your asses out there and do your job. Do not have blinders on. If you are affraid of a beef it is due to the fact you "X' er's" do not know how to make a proper arrest.
The new breed of copper' think us old timers with 20 plus years know shit and never ask us for advice.
Us old timer's learned from the best, the vets! We listened and would never beef out a supervisor.
You wimps go beefing because the car a/c is out. Too fucking bad. We sweat it out in cars that the floor boards were rotted through. The car ran and we ran. Making arrest after arrest. We did it because we were the baddest around, and we still are, us bad ass old timer's.
You f'ing cry babies want awards for nonsense. We got them, and you know what, we never gave two fucks about them. Being a dick, I see paper for you "X"'ers wanting life saving awards for going into a smoking crack house vacant building. You young copper' are a joke. It is all about "YOU."
What you do nothing fools are great on, is doing paper and naming yourself as a hero.
Got to love your antics kiddies. I forgot, I love it when your PDT' go out. Try using the radio doing a name check.
I love it when I dine and you young copper' are unaware I am the "REAL POLICE" in c.d.
You "X'er's" talk shit us old timer's would never say to each other at a rock concert. Walls have ears super-police !
Your war stories you new breeds tell are short of fiction. Get a f'ig life and leave the booze alone after your tour.
One last thing, all you youth officers that got the dick stars, please-please go back to being the kiddy police and do the only thing you know. That is calling mommy to pick up the major D/C arrest that the "X'er's" made.
You Youth Inv. have ruined the "D" unit. NYPD "SVU" you people are not.
Thank you kindly for reading my views kiddies.
So, it IS okay to generally bad mouth "house mouses" Weis, bosses and any individual officer you seem to not like?
Thing is, it IS tough being a cop. But, a lot of people have it tough right now. Our job is arresting, ticketing, reporting and doing a lot of drudge. But, it is also exciting, fun and one of the best out there. We are not going to find much sympathy from Joe Q. Too bad it seems to be okay to badmouth from the "brotherhood" side. I now remember why I am not a frequent vistior.
If agg batts are up, crime is up. Victims are patched up by modern medicine and they don't die, so no murder happened. But if Weis thinks I'll stick my neck out, he's wrong and all the memos and teletypes won't change it. Weis put us all on notice from Day 1 with his indictment of Cozzi: We're all his potential sacrificial lambs for the media whipped circus. For 20 years I enjoyed pulling the scum off the streets but not now. Amazingly, I've also had sgt.s who thought I made too many arrests! Many times they said I was in the station too much! They wanted me on the street, on patrol!-"but look at my stats" I would say (I ignored their whining)... The Dept. is bipolar. They claim crime is down but they want more arrests. They want more arrests but then they won't back you on complaints. (And how about our contract?) Did they ever think of trying to be nice to us? Nice might work better than trying to scare us.
All these so called crime statistics are being heralded that crime is now down in Chicago.
Just a reminder to the "bean" counters, the only crime that is down is "reported crime."
Certain studies exist today that crime in cities is actually much higher, but Victims are reluctant to report it for a variety of reasons, one being, "Why bother, are the police actually going to find my shit for me?"
Obviously, crimes like murder and agg batts are probably not under reported, but I'm sure a majority of gang bangers don't call 911 when they are shot at and not hit.
As a recruit in the academy today, my class went on a long run toady. We stopped by the fire academy to drink water. The fire instructors and recruits came out and began taunting us instead of a welcome. Ball busting at a distance. Then they challenged us to run up and down a bridge in their gym. As we came down they turned on a high pressure hose on all of the recruits. They do not have the nerve to challenge us face to face so they turn on a hose. The CPD bosses thought it was funny but said we could not retaliate. When they come by CPD academy, I am sure we will treat them with respect. But I will remember this treatment when I graduate and stop a off duty fireman. The odds of catching a DUI fireman off duty is very high. Now let the fire academy intructors laugh again. Pay back is a bitch.
How about those want-a-bee super cops on 3rd watch in 015th.
WTF? 3rd watch in 015th rocks, that's the hardest working watch in the entire city.
Hot Pursuit said...
I guess I would say that they may want to rethink what they are pushing. I imagine that if everyone at one point started to arrest every BS onview infraction, well the shit would hit the fan...
(sad part is the people would learn the harder way that the city has shorted them again).
I thought I heard a faint "Oh shit" from the direction of the big and powerful FOP, maybe I'm wrong, but I think there is already an issue that could be construed as an officer safety that trumps management decision.
I'm starting to look at them as training a dog, they bark nice on command, they even show their teeth once in awhile, but when you need them to get'em, you have to look at all the times they turn and bit the handler...
5/15/2009 06:36:00 AM
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I remember at the Academy during the Sgt.'s training :
The old Female white ADS that was in charge of IAD did her power point presentation on "RED FLAGS" of Officers that IAD says should alert any SUPERVISOR to a potential corruption issue on that Officer:
-ON VIEW ARRESTS
-LOST AND FOUND GUN RECOVERIES
-JOHN/JANE DOE SEARCH WARRANTS
-SURVEILLANCE OF DRUG TRANSACTIONS
The above were the ones that stuck out the most and probably were the scariest since most tact/gang/citywide units make their CAREERS by the numbers brought in from these events.
BTW -MS KIRBY IS NOW IN CHARGE OF CORP. COUNSEL.....
DO WE INDEMNIFY THOSE OFFICERS THAT PARTAKE IN THESE RED FLAG AREAS? AND SHOULD WE MAKE HIM RESPONSIBLE FOR PUNITIVE DAMAGES ASSESSED?
Figure it out yourselves as you get your numbers kids....
Why should there be a numbers game?For small bullshit does everyone have to go to jail?Giving some poor chump a break does not make you a bad P.O., it makes you a decent human being.If some needs arresting I will be happy to do it.All the silly d.o.p.w. bullshit I will not do.Playing numbers games,without cause, can also find with legal problems..but that's okay the city has your back.
It just goes to show that the Mayor and the top Ranking supervisors of the Department are NEVER satisfied with anything we do, because they are ASSHOLES. never DO THEY express gratitude, for us doing a good job, just bitch like the bitches they are, whining that there should be more arrests, less citizen complaints, more tickets, less tickets in certsain areas, etc; etc; etc. What a bunch of childish, self-serving, pompous, GREEDY ASSHOLES. Whine, whine, whine, constantly, but do THEY do ANYTHING to contribute anything other than piss-poor leadership to the CPD? No. Just a bunch of over-paid, cry-baby, suck a tit babies and pawns of the biggest asshole on the planet, Shortshanks, the King of Greedy, Childlike Behavior..
Fuck ALL of you.
What a bunch of mentally unstable Buffoons.
super sergeant said...
So what are we to do with these underachievers…. 12 months, no arrests, 14 parkers, 6 movers…… WTF. Are we supposed to defend these guys? My bet is most will blame the Sgt’s and watch commander for not hammering the pooch……ahhh the old double standard…. “ Hey Officer Do Nothing Dog, hold up your share.” ….Ohhhh that’s a quota…..Please ? Give me a Break !
5/15/2009 07:18:00 AM
Jeez, 14 parkers and 6 movers? They did that much? That beats my activity for sure. I am in awe. I helped with an arrest through and got put on the paper though I asked not to be put there.
My goal this year is to do even less. When we get a decent and fair contract I will resume my police career. Then I will get back to making arrests when needed and a mover and 5 parkers a day plus a bus check and contact cards.
That is AFTER we get a contract, not before. Fuck any super sgt. Fuck with me and I have two years medical time all charged up ready to use, one year medical and one year IOD. And no Sgt. can do a thing about it.
Dugan, read and weep and go throw a chair around the office.
I have seen the term "Quality of life arrest".In 28 years I have never had anyone tell me to make this type of arrest. What do you do lie because a bum or drunk is around? Tell the judge he had his dick out pissin when he didn't cause you want that QUALITY arrest.I am grateful I am almost done with this jag-off job and the mopes who do this for some nit=wit boss'praise.
Sgts. should be wearing Blue uniform shirts like in New York City, and writing tickets, patrolling, and making arrests with their troops. Do we really need all these Sgts. telling officers what to do when they already know their jobs, for the most part? Do we really need so many of them not leading the newer officers by EXAMPLE????
Let's get some numbers by locking up Phake Phather Phlagger for violating the city Ord for hanging his Phlag up side dow.
5/15/2009 09:26:00 AM
ok hero first learn how to spell then go do it yourself
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Anonymous said...
Me thinks the numbers game stopped right around the time the bosses quit bending over backwards for the troops. Now they are forced to bend the other way.
5/15/2009 12:55:00 AM
The Game stopped when they sat us down and told us they will go after us for Rule 14.
5/15/2009 09:23:00 AM
God forbid they settle the damn contract and work hard to create good working conditions. That would get officers working hard again, you know, with nothing to complain about.
Now with this ratings bullshit it will get to be a test of wills, a head butting contest, an irresistible force going into an immovable object.
In managements screwed up perspective this is somehow preferable to having a fair contract and good working conditions.
“How are employees like mushrooms?”
“In order to have them grow the company must keep them in the dark and feed them shit." And then order them to like it.
Fix what is wrong with the police department and then you wouldn't need all this nonsense from mindless upper echelon assholes.
But that is not the Daley way and it won't be done that way. They have to feel they have control and will order us to work hard and have a good attitude and they think that will work. Hah!
How about the 023 District Burglary Team who has never caught a burglary offender since being created TWO YEARS AGO!! It was put together so a Sodini's brother could work days and the other 20 people in the CAPS office needed a spot.
5/15/2009 10:02:00 AM
If this is true it's TYPICAL OF THE BULLSHIT POLITICS THIS DEPARTMENT CONSTANTLY PLAYS, AND WHY SO MANY OFFICERS DON'T WANT TO DO A FUCKIN THING ANYMORE. WHY DON'T THEY ALL JUST GET SENT OUT TO THE SOUTH SIDE? BURGLARS WILL JUMP INTO YOUR CAR OUT HERE IF YOU SIT TOO LONG AT A RED LIGHT. AHH, FORGET IT, THEY'D PROBABLY PISS THEIR PANTS ANYWAY IF THEY SAW ALL THE REAL CRIMINALS OUT SOUTH HERE ...LET EM KEEP HANGING AT STARBUCKS ON THE NORTHSIDE MOST OF THE DAY.
Sgt's list out today??? Anyone? I'm RDO.
5/15/2009 04:45:00 PM
Yeah but you didn't make it
Remember the days of sweeping a block and charging everyone with 193 (1)(a)?
That's "disorderly conduct" for J-Fed and the gel heads.
5/15/2009 02:16:00 PM
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That sure did a lot of good, didn't it?
The only thing that decreases crime is to gentrify neighborhoods, getting the scum to move out to the cheaper suburbs. This has worked in 014, 013, 018, 001, 012, and 021.
Will it ever happen in places like 007, 009, 003, etc.? No. As long as these neighborhoods remain cesspools of unemployed with no education, no opportunities for blue-collar jobs, and as long as we keep throwing self-esteem, religion, and public aid at them, they will remain high crime ghettos.
The police can't solve or prevent these problems. Misdemeanor, or felony, for that matter, arrests, won't solve the problem.
but over 200 of those "seized" were a gun collection owned by a cop who died...shhhhh
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Sad..but I once saw an Area Gun team execute a S/W on a "normal citizen" (meaning no criminal history or encounters with the police)because of some B.S. involving a neighbor making a complaint about something silly.
They inquired about any guns and hearing he was a collector, they got instant erections.
They got dozens of guns, almost all priceless "rare" antiquities that belonged in a museum. Instead they all got destroyed and the officers got their CB number & honorable mentions!
To hell with the underachievers and the desk lice.
As a supervisor I do not waste my time with do nothing dogs or house puppies.
My time is used helping and nurturing (motivating) the working copper.
5/15/2009 03:08:00 PM
...and you, then, are part of the problem. Getting the dogs to pull their weight is part of your job. Watching the dogs get away with doing nothing is as big of a moral buster as anything on this job.
I know it's tough to get in someones face and get them to do a job they are paid to do, but that is the job you are paid to do. Always hated the Sgts who were afraid to do their job.
The CPD bosses thought it was funny but said we could not retaliate. When they come by CPD academy, I am sure we will treat them with respect. But I will remember this treatment when I graduate and stop a off duty fireman. The odds of catching a DUI fireman off duty is very high. Now let the fire academy intructors laugh again. Pay back is a bitch.
5/15/2009 09:31:00 PM
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This is exactly what the old timers are talking about when they talk about "hair gel" police.
YOU ARE CRYING LIKE A LITTLE BITCH BECAUSE OF AN INSULT.."oh my feelings were hurt, hazing is against the law, my mommy told me I'm special,blah,blah,blah!"
It is funny. Laugh it off, and grow up DIPSHIT, because your momma was wrong..you aren't that special!!!
Why did they take away our access to the "Quick Stat" Report? How are we supposed to know how effective we are if we can't see the damn numbers?
rb
Anonymous said...
As a recruit in the academy today, my class went on a long run toady. We stopped by the fire academy to drink water. The fire instructors and recruits came out and began taunting us instead of a welcome. Ball busting at a distance. Then they challenged us to run up and down a bridge in their gym. As we came down they turned on a high pressure hose on all of the recruits. They do not have the nerve to challenge us face to face so they turn on a hose. The CPD bosses thought it was funny but said we could not retaliate. When they come by CPD academy, I am sure we will treat them with respect. But I will remember this treatment when I graduate and stop a off duty fireman. The odds of catching a DUI fireman off duty is very high. Now let the fire academy intructors laugh again. Pay back is a bitch.
5/15/2009 09:31:00 PM
Kid, you gotta grow some thick skin if you're gonna make it through this job. Fire prob knew they could taunt you and do all that without receiving any retaliation at that moment. Relax, its not all that serious. You need to laugh at it and move forward.
Back in the old 10th district, we were working the 4 to 12 and my partner and I had 4-6 parking on 16th street from Kedzie to Kostner.
After two days of writing the parkers the streets were clear as even the mutts knew better than to park in violation.
However, one of our sargeants, who did not like me or my partner, ran into the watch commander and told him that we were not doing our job.
We were not able to do anything about it as we had been told about this rat by another sargeant who was present when the first guy beefed and we would have had to front off the guy who told us. Could not do that.
Years later the beefer became the commander of the 18th district. I guess the cream always rises to the top.
I am a cop still on probation. A PPO if you will. Honestly, I won't make an arrest "to get my numbers up", "so I don't look lazy", etc....
If I have probable cause to stop someone then I will do it. Then if I have reasonable suspicion that a crime occurred, then I will make a physical arrest.
But under no circumstance will I compromise my own integrity because of the new ratings system, a boss wants me to, etc...
On the one hand, they want us to make arrests and if an offender sues us for violating their civil rights then I will end up losing my job if I took a shortcut. And in this economy, job security is everything!
The only thing that decreases crime is to gentrify neighborhoods, getting the scum to move out to the cheaper suburbs. This has worked in 014, 013, 018, 001, 012, and 021.
I have news for you fellow copper. When neighborhoods like 014, 013, 018, etc.... got gentrified, it was because of the real estate bubble. Now things are heading south and the shit is coming back.
Also, the great myth that somehow or someway, the poor are moving to the suburbs and out of the city. And you think the suburbs would just ALLOW IT TO HAPPEN BECAUSE KING DALEY SAYS SO?
As a recruit in the academy today, my class went on a long run toady. We stopped by the fire academy to drink water. The fire instructors and recruits came out and began taunting us instead of a welcome. Ball busting at a distance. Then they challenged us to run up and down a bridge in their gym. As we came down they turned on a high pressure hose on all of the recruits. They do not have the nerve to challenge us face to face so they turn on a hose. The CPD bosses thought it was funny but said we could not retaliate. When they come by CPD academy, I am sure we will treat them with respect. But I will remember this treatment when I graduate and stop a off duty fireman. The odds of catching a DUI fireman off duty is very high. Now let the fire academy intructors laugh again. Pay back is a bitch.
5/15/2009 09:31:00 PM
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Holy Mother of God !!!!! Please forgive me.... is this poster on the legite. It is no wonder I have Bowel problems.
Another generation "X er'" who cannot take a f'ing joke. Kid, you are one of the reason' this department is & will with your help be MORE f'ed up.
You have to be an imbicile when someone in the gym in the T/D reads this. Your group will be fucked big time MONDAY when the word gets around you beefed and the CPD gym guys laughed at your sorry ass.
You about gave all the details needed you fool. LOL. I wish I could be at the T/D Monday but I am pre-occupied doing a major.
Did you call your Daddy in Wilmette and tell him the gym staff set you morons up with the CFD T/D ? Shame on those bad boy F.F.'s.
Please little kiddie, tell us what you midget, over-weight, blind ass P.P.O's were going to do in retaliation ? Throw your sneekers at them ? Throw cans at them ?
My friends of the CPD....Was I correct in my words of generation "X" coppers ?
When and if you get out on the street. Write a F.F. for d.u.i.
I am most certain you will TELL him why he is going to the shitter.
It is no wonder the Supt is firing you cry-baby P.P.O.'
You should of never left your dad's "Rag refubishing business" to attempt to be a copper. Show some honor for all copper's that gave their lives for this city... RESIGN MONDAY. You already disgraced the uniform I and all of us real police hope you never get to wear.
I am sorry if I ever said anything vile regarding you many "X er" "house-cats" o.t.j. This p.p.o. makes you all look like "Kojak"
Also, this idiot has not even seen one day on the street and is a beefer ! You poor working patrol guys & bosses will have major shit happening if the T/D does not weed these morons out. You guys think this p.p.o. will be a total "Trick".
P.P.O....in less then 72 hours you and your group will be running again by the fire T/D. Get some rest moron. You will need it.
God save us all...and may God bless all our fallen comrades & their familie this month of MAY.
Lastly, my bowels are straining after reading and writing about this worthless P.P.O.
Serve, Protect and Railroad Someone for a Numbers Game"
Welcome to the Suburbs!!
Hey jagoff, go back to your job at Burger King..! I have worked both CPD (012,007) and in the Burbs for the last ten years. I have NEVER locked someone up just to get a number. Please asshat !there are more than enough stupid jagoffs that need to be locked up that no one needs to put a case of homie just for a number. Now quit watching "COPS" and STFU!
Remember the days of sweeping a block and charging everyone with 193 (1)(a)?
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I remember, and it did serve it's purpose. Our great Mayor, Jane Byrne was the best & allowed it.
All dope was sold from their cribs. Never any street sales in the early 1980'.
We whacked a few houses on S/W' and the hood was cool for awhile.
But now the gel police have blinders on.
WEST-SIDE 29 + DICK. said...
Get your asses out there and do your job. Do not have blinders on. If you are affraid of a beef it is due to the fact you "X' er's" do not know how to make a proper arrest.
I think you're mixing up gen xer's with generation Y... I'm a gen X and I'm pushing 40 brother. You must be an early baby boomer you old fart (no offense just joking). It's the Gen Y's born 82 and later that fit better with what you're saying and they are the people with 0-6 years on the job.
"I saw an arrest candidate at Dearborn and Van Buren this afternoon. He didn't like having his picture taken, but I not so diplomatically replied that he was on the public way and I didn't need his consent!"
---5/15/2009 05:49:00 PM
So degage, so casual the Eurostyle way, non?,Be sure to get a copy of this to the Mayor's Office to show him what a large proportion of the population thinks about his "street furniture."
Not even the slightest effort to find an alley and turn one's back...
Down-town-in-jo-hannes-burg...
Gun Seizures are up (but over 200 of those "seized" were a gun collection owned by a cop who died...shhhhh)"
Not the first time I've heard stuff like this.
Copper's house gets burglarized; responding officers discover...
5/15/2009 04:03:00 PM
More like retired officer dies, and officers discovered.....
The only thing that decreases crime is to gentrify neighborhoods, getting the scum to move out to the cheaper suburbs. This has worked in 014, 013, 018, 001, 012, and 021.
Will it ever happen in places like 007, 009, 003, etc.? No. As long as these neighborhoods remain cesspools of unemployed with no education, no opportunities for blue-collar jobs, and as long as we keep throwing self-esteem, religion, and public aid at them, they will remain high crime ghettos.
The police can't solve or prevent these problems. Misdemeanor, or felony, for that matter, arrests, won't solve the problem.How about airstrikes? Can we try airstrikes?
As a recruit in the academy today, my class went on a long run toady.......
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Suck it up. its part of the gig. you'll look back and laugh some day...
"Pay back is a bitch.
5/15/2009 09:31:00 PM"
You gotta be shitting me.
Is this the kind of weak assed punk that passes for a recruit these days?
Where do they find these babies?
If this is how you feel about a little, a very little, minor ball busting, what the hell do you figure you're going to do when you hit the streets, put some of that self righteous payback on somebody's grandmother??
"I now remember why I am not a frequent vistior.
5/15/2009 08:05:00 PM"
Thanks for reminding us.
Bye bye.
"Why do i bother i assume this will be deleted also.
5/15/2009 06:09:00 PM"
Perhaps because you're a slow learner?
"It don't work like this in private industry folks.
5/15/2009 05:26:00 PM"
That's why all the assholes are drawn to the public 'industry'.
Anonymous said...
How about the 023 District Burglary Team who has never caught a burglary offender since being created TWO YEARS AGO!! It was put together so a Sodini's brother could work days and the other 20 people in the CAPS office needed a spot.
5/15/2009 10:02:00 AM
If this is true it's TYPICAL OF THE BULLSHIT POLITICS THIS DEPARTMENT CONSTANTLY PLAYS, AND WHY SO MANY OFFICERS DON'T WANT TO DO A FUCKIN THING ANYMORE. WHY DON'T THEY ALL JUST GET SENT OUT TO THE SOUTH SIDE? BURGLARS WILL JUMP INTO YOUR CAR OUT HERE IF YOU SIT TOO LONG AT A RED LIGHT. AHH, FORGET IT, THEY'D PROBABLY PISS THEIR PANTS ANYWAY IF THEY SAW ALL THE REAL CRIMINALS OUT SOUTH HERE ...LET EM KEEP HANGING AT STARBUCKS ON THE NORTHSIDE MOST OF THE DAY.
5/15/2009 10:23:00 PM
Hey, I guarantee I can not catch burglars better than most officers out there! I have been not catching them for years and am very good at it. Just give me a chance to show what I can do, not catching burglars is something I would really like. I could drive around all day and show up at burglar alarms and look like I am trying but then, I won't catch any! I can do this, I know I can!
I love how the dog asses change the discussion! "im not rail roading any pisser or drinker" , "im not going to jail for anyone"
you see a good arrrest make it, if not dont .. its about the officers that do nothing
Anonymous said...
As a recruit in the academy today, my class went on a long run toady. We stopped by the fire academy to drink water. The fire instructors and recruits came out and began taunting us instead of a welcome. Ball busting at a distance. Then they challenged us to run up and down a bridge in their gym. As we came down they turned on a high pressure hose on all of the recruits. They do not have the nerve to challenge us face to face so they turn on a hose. The CPD bosses thought it was funny but said we could not retaliate. When they come by CPD academy, I am sure we will treat them with respect. But I will remember this treatment when I graduate and stop a off duty fireman. The odds of catching a DUI fireman off duty is very high. Now let the fire academy intructors laugh again. Pay back is a bitch.
5/15/2009 09:31:00 PM
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You need to wash out now kid,
you have a bad attitude.
To 5/15/09 7:32 West-side 29+Dic
I like the way you think sir. I have 18 yrs. on and started out in 010. I look at the number of Honorable Mentions I have, which aren't alot by todays standards. But we got them for things that today's Gen x copper thinks he should be gettng a D.C. for. H.M. for a stolen bike. Are you serious? Like everything else, everything is owed to them. We have finally been seeing the results of the "new parenting" model that started about 30 years ago. Never say no to your child...let them express themselves...give them room to grow. I wish I had a nickel for every mother I've heard say, "I never say no to my child." And now these little "free to grow" darlings are in the work force and after 20+ yrs. of never being told "no", they think everything is to be handed to them-no questions asked. What they needed was a kick in the ass every once in a while by a parent who understood discipline. And needed to be told, "Sit down and shut up!"
Any word on the missing K-9 Bear? That was a sad story.
5/15/2009 02:41:00 PM
Rumor has it that Bear went over the fence because he was tired of working without a contract!!
I saw an arrest candidate at Dearborn and Van Buren this afternoon. He didn't like having his picture taken, but I not so diplomatically replied that he was on the public way and I didn't need his consent!
5/15/2009 05:49:00 PM
This kind of shit could be a entire blog in itself.
Ah the lovely numbers game. I remember a wonderful time on tact that if you EVER came in with a "holding the offender" you were dumped before you could finish the arrest! I'm not criticizing my fellow officers who now are forced to fly around looking for ANYTHING which includes shoplifters,domestics,etc.. But once I saw the writing on the wall I (and a few others) walked away plain and simple. Accountability Hahahaha!! Those are the meetings all the bosses go to and say "my guys have more numbers than your guys" and god help the "bosses" who have consistently lower numbers which by the way are heads regardless of offense which is why I feel bad that once proud policemen have been reduced to a scavenging piss bum patrol.
The odds of catching a DUI fireman off duty is very high. Now let the fire academy intructors laugh again. Pay back is a bitch.
5/15/2009 09:31:00 PM
And so are you. The instructors are right, it was funny! If you want this job kid, you better develope a sense of humor. My class would have spent hours crafting a little pratical joke for our brothers in the C.F.D..
I don't see a future in the Department for you. Quit now, you won't be missed and you'll save yourself a life of misery.
We were not able to do anything about it as we had been told about this rat by another sargeant who was present when the first guy beefed and we would have had to front off the guy who told us. Could not do that.
Years later the beefer became the commander of the 18th district. I guess the cream always rises to the top.
5/16/2009 12:17:00 AM
You sound like one of those 018th District guys that works for Loevy & Loevy and the Sgt doen't sound like much of a Sgt..
"Ball busting at a distance. Then they challenged us to run up and down a bridge in their gym. As we came down they turned on a high pressure hose on all of the recruits. They do not have the nerve to challenge us face to face so they turn on a hose."
Count it as a valubale lesson learned early in your career about your non-brethren in blue.
NEVER,EVER TRUST A CINDERHEAD OR TURN YOUR BACK ON THEM.
"but over 200 of those "seized" were a gun collection owned by a cop who died...shhhhh
Actually 71"
5/15/2009 12:41:00 AM
That guns unit is almost as worthless as the animal crimes unit. are they gonna start goin after copper's dogs just to show activity? you guys afraid to go after the actual bad guys?
Anonymous said...
As a recruit in the academy today, my class went on a long run toady.......
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Suck it up. its part of the gig. you'll look back and laugh some day...
5/16/2009 02:16:00 AM
As a veteran who has stopped numerous firemen, they can dish it out but and are very sensitive on the receiving end. I am sure if they ran by CPD academy, they would be treated with respect. CPD recruits are disciplined and the staff would never allow rude behavior towards visitors. Instead of friendship they hose them down at a distance. What can we expect from the CFD. No discipline.
This is exactly what the old timers are talking about when they talk about "hair gel" police.
YOU ARE CRYING LIKE A LITTLE BITCH BECAUSE OF AN INSULT.."oh my feelings were hurt, hazing is against the law, my mommy told me I'm special,blah,blah,blah!"
It is funny. Laugh it off, and grow up DIPSHIT, because your momma was wrong..you aren't that special!!!
5/16/2009 12:01:00 AM
This is the support that recruits face on the street. Laugh off the bad behavior, take it like a man, grow up. It is a shame they will not have guidance and support in the district. Ignore the sloppy work and piss poor atitudes of the officers in the districts. Soon, the new recruits will join the ranks of dogs in every distirct. Anxious to work but lack the opportunity. Memories are long, my friend. Let me try to hose down officers from a district.
To hell with the underachievers and the desk lice.
As a supervisor I do not waste my time with do nothing dogs or house puppies.
My time is used helping and nurturing (motivating) the working copper.
5/15/2009 03:08:00 PM
THAT'S THE PROBLEM!!
It's easier to supervise motivated employees. It's easier to get them to work because they will do what they're asked and they'll do it well. It's much harder, takes more balls, and is more aggravating to supervise and/or punish a dog.
So, what happens is the working copper covers for the dog asses. Whenever work needs to be done, the sgt. simply asks the hard worker to cover for the dog. That's that easiest thing for a sgt. to do.
In the end, the working copper does his work and the dog's work. The sgt. does no work because he doesn't deal with an aggravating, lazy employee, he only deals with the pleasant motivated workers.
I saw an arrest candidate at Dearborn and Van Buren this afternoon. He didn't like having his picture taken, but I not so diplomatically replied that he was on the public way and I didn't need his consent!Bwhwhahahhahahha!!!!!!!!!!!
I’d love to see a thread on what the 98% of working coppers feel about the 2% dog asses on this job. You Know, the ones nobody wants to talk about ; the guys and broads that blow off a job, stay down so you can handle all the crap on their beat, who avoid locking up someone who needs to go
IT AINT NOTHIN BUT A GAME. Remember the "chicago Assault weapon charge"? Amazing how a 13 shot .380 can (was) defined as an Assault Weapon in chicago.All for the sake of making the Lil Fat Greasy Bastard look good,like he was making a Huge dent in the weapons issues in the city. Or how about the Mass Trespassing Arrests in 2004-2007 in 019 all for the sake of Numbers. Railroading some shit head for the sake of making the numbers balance out is (can be) costly.Actual numbers of REAL crimes(drugs,homicides,rape,ect) are HIDDEN as we all know so that the Olympic Committee can see Chicago as a Warm Fuzzy City and not how it actually is. Maybe we should hold the Torch Lighting ceremony at 13th and Hastings at lets say 2 AM........Fuck Daley,Fuck Weis. and old school....You DA MAN!.
How about inattention to duty you fools. You took an oath and should stand by it!
5/15/2009 08:17:00 AM
Hey dick munch,
HOW BOUT A CONTRACT then you will have my FULL ATTENTION
Food for thought
OLD SCHOOL: "Us" "the team" "for the victims" "for the families" "for the Watch" "Brother" "sister" "family" "cadre" "unity"
GEN X: Time Due,furlough,DOG,Lunch,
Personals,Race Card,Sex card,Hostile work environment,Harassment,ANYTHING
OTHER THAN THE ABOVE. And...
Hair Gel and Oakleys.(gotta pose for the honeys)
Need I say more? Id go thru a door ANY TIME with Old School as I would completely know my back was covered NO QUESTION. Id rather not with GEN X as Im not sure the plate in the back of my vest would stop the knife.
To the jag-offs that keep ragging on the PPO about the hazing from the CFD Academy GFY and STFU!!!
Don't worry kid these are assholes who worry about what people think about them and wont cite or arrest them. Cant write the FF, City Worker,Working Stiff, Reverend, Politician, Blah, Blah.......
That is why we get slammed by everyone and no one gives a fuck how we feel. Well guess what we do have some power out here and people should be respecting us and not taunting us.
Imagine if the tables were turned and that was done to a FF recruit class by class at the Police Academy, The whole class would probably be terminated and the Instructor launched back to a district with some time off for good behavior.
So remember kid there are some copper here who agree with what you say and back up a fellow officer first than worry about their reputation with other groups of society. Go get those Heroes when you can, I will even assist you in your endeavor.
As a recruit in the academy today, my class went on a long run toady. We stopped by the fire academy to drink water. The fire instructors and recruits came out and began taunting us instead of a welcome. Ball busting at a distance. Then they challenged us to run up and down a bridge in their gym. As we came down they turned on a high pressure hose on all of the recruits. They do not have the nerve to challenge us face to face so they turn on a hose. The CPD bosses thought it was funny but said we could not retaliate. When they come by CPD academy, I am sure we will treat them with respect. But I will remember this treatment when I graduate and stop a off duty fireman. The odds of catching a DUI fireman off duty is very high. Now let the fire academy intructors laugh again. Pay back is a bitch.
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If you can't handle the ball-busting now then maybe you shouldn't work for CPD. This department is high school all over again and over runned by clouted bullies.
Prepared to have your personal car wrapped in toliet paper, lies written about you on bathroom stalls, mocked on the radio, and your name on this blog.
And that's if they like you.
If I have probable cause to stop someone then I will do it. Then if I have reasonable suspicion that a crime occurred, then I will make a physical arrest.
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I know your new , but if you arrest people on reasonable suspicion you will have a short stint as a police officer... Go back and hit the books !!!!!
So my numbers gotta be up if I'm...
-In the hospital babysitting a dope sick crackhead locked up for one rock.
-On the desk or lock up and a clouted two year wonder gets street time.
-Working 99 with a backlog, no help available.
-Sitting on downed wires.
-Guarding a crime scene.
-Working with a dog.
-After 5 CR's (regardless sustained or not) and being on a "list".
-Radio batteries that die mid-shift, cars that are unsafe to drive and PDTs that don't work or don't exist.
Need I say more? Id go thru a door ANY TIME with Old School as I would completely know my back was covered NO QUESTION. Id rather not with GEN X as Im not sure the plate in the back of my vest would stop the knife.
5/16/2009 12:35:00 PM
Generation X is over forty already. You must be talking about Generation Y or the Millennials. Yes, the Millennials. Born after 1999 and posing as cops because they can. That fourteen year old was a salty veteran. It's those damned Millennials that you have to watch out for.
If you can't handle the ball-busting now then maybe you shouldn't work for CPD. This department is high school all over again and over runned by clouted bullies.
Prepared to have your personal car wrapped in toliet paper, lies written about you on bathroom stalls, mocked on the radio, and your name on this blog.
And that's if they like you.
5/16/2009 02:29:00 PM
This is what new PPO's have to look forward to? Forget police work. Instead practical jokes during the tour of duty. This is soo sad. No wonder crime is rampant.
Hey you ass wipes, Back in 1992 when I went through the academy we wore Full CPD uniforms, guns,BP vest, and The Real CPD Star after 12th week of training. A class that was behind us in training shot a spitball at a FBI agent who was giving a block of instruction. It was all in fun right???? The FBI and Academy should have thick skin right??? Nothing should of came of this right???
Because of that incident the Academy stop letting recruits wear the full uniform until graduation. That's right now you know the academy went to the khaki uniforms.
That PPO should file a complaint with the Fire Academy.
Anonymous said...
As a recruit in the academy today, my class went on a long run toady. We stopped by the fire academy to drink water. The fire instructors and recruits came out and began taunting us instead of a welcome. Ball busting at a distance. Then they challenged us to run up and down a bridge in their gym. As we came down they turned on a high pressure hose on all of the recruits. They do not have the nerve to challenge us face to face so they turn on a hose. The CPD bosses thought it was funny but said we could not retaliate. When they come by CPD academy, I am sure we will treat them with respect. But I will remember this treatment when I graduate and stop a off duty fireman. The odds of catching a DUI fireman off duty is very high. Now let the fire academy intructors laugh again. Pay back is a bitch.
5/15/2009 09:31:00 PM
Hey PPO... Focus on 1. Graduating from the academy and then 2. Making it through probabtion before looking to jam up fellow city workers.
And try not to step in shit while you're in the academy, which I am inclined to believe someone with you attitude probably will.
Need I say more? Id go thru a door ANY TIME with Old School as I would completely know my back was covered NO QUESTION. Id rather not with GEN X as Im not sure the plate in the back of my vest would stop the knife.
5/16/2009 12:35:00 PM
Please stop harping on GEN X! These losers are GEN Y. The youngest possible Gen Xer out there is 33 years old. The oldest Gen Xer out there is 45! I hope we don't have any 45 year olds wearing hair gel on their bald heads.
If I have probable cause to stop someone then I will do it. Then if I have reasonable suspicion that a crime occurred, then I will make a physical arrest.
CHA-CHING!(cash register sound!!!!)
WOO-HOO Weezy...weez gunna get paid off THIS one!
And lo......the city once again in a futile effort to quell the unfortunate STUPIDITY of the young PPO wearing that BIG RED S on his chest, pays willie again.
To the jag-offs that keep ragging on the PPO about the hazing from the CFD Academy GFY and STFU!!!
waaa waaa Mr Burke Mr Burke those big mean fire cadets harassed me and got me wet. I was ashamed and scared.....can you make me a Commander now. WHAT A BITCH.Wipe your tears kiddo and go get a hug and kiss from mommy. Everything is gonna be all right.
Jesus,,,,,,what have we become????
That guns unit is almost as worthless as the animal crimes unit. are they gonna start goin after copper's dogs just to show activity? you guys afraid to go after the actual bad guys?
5/16/2009 09:35:00 AM
I hate to correct you but the TRU unit is the most worthless unit in the City. When they are actually IN the City....ooops did I say that out loud.....the epitome of DOG ASSES. There is one in particular I saw that has a shit load of ribbons....i think if they pinned any more to his fat ass he would topple over.
ah waaaaa ah waaaaa MOMMY, sniff sniff the big mean fire cadets (blubbering) sprayed me with water today and emasculated me infront of my peers....waaaaaaa Oh wait.....dont you have to have balls in the first place in order to be emasculated? Just checkin. Hey kid come see me when you get out of the academy Ill have a fresh box of TAMPONS for you.
Go get those Heroes when you can, I will even assist you in your endeavor.
And you are a bitch also
As a veteran who has stopped numerous firemen, they can dish it out but and are very sensitive on the receiving end. I am sure if they ran by CPD academy, they would be treated with respect. CPD recruits are disciplined and the staff would never allow rude behavior towards visitors. Instead of friendship they hose them down at a distance. What can we expect from the CFD. No discipline.
5/16/2009 09:57:00 AM
You are right they are respectful..disciplined and professional....then they graduate and become rude,undisciplined assholes...
"This is what new PPO's have to look forward to? Forget police work. Instead practical jokes during the tour of duty. This is soo sad. No wonder crime is rampant.
5/16/2009 11:04:00 PM"
'Crime' is rampant because some people, devoid of the most basic positive human characteristics, are kept alive and free to commit crimes, by some other people, lacking in the most essential characteristics of a sense of perspective, prevent those people who know how to prevent crimes from being committed from doing what it takes.
Anyone thinking that they have the right to complain about the means of preventing crime from 'running rampant', while having no clue as to the true nature of said means, are responsible for the 'rampant' running of 'crime'.
If the citizens don't 'approve' of what their real police officers do, then the citizens are free to step up and try preventing crime from 'running rampant' themselves.
Go ahead, civilian, knock yourself out.
To the dude who says no district can be in a rap all day, everyday hes never listened to zone 6. The 7th and 8th district are tangled up with bullshit all day every day. You don't even have time to pee and you better eat before you get to work and bring snacks cause you might starve. Tune in to zone 6 anytime, you've never heard anything like it.
Anonymous said...
ah waaaaa ah waaaaa MOMMY, sniff sniff the big mean fire cadets (blubbering) sprayed me with water today and emasculated me infront of my peers....waaaaaaa Oh wait.....dont you have to have balls in the first place in order to be emasculated? Just checkin. Hey kid come see me when you get out of the academy Ill have a fresh box of TAMPONS for you.
5/17/2009 12:38:00 PM
The same brand of tampons you use daily? Big talk to a recruit if this is a recruit, you idiot. Anyone can write postings on this blog. I expect nothing less from firement than rude behavior. Do you really think they respect CPD? What else can we expect from CFD? All muscle.
So remember kid there are some copper here who agree with what you say and back up a fellow officer first than worry about their reputation with other groups of society. Go get those Heroes when you can, I will even assist you in your endeavor.
5/16/2009 02:11:00 PM
Here, here, I agree. Years ago we backed ea. other up, this job is all gen. X and they have no idea
what standing up for ea. other is. Just look at the blog and all their bad mouthing of one another. Clueless!
Here, here, I agree. Years ago we backed ea. other up, this job is all gen. X and they have no idea
what standing up for ea. other is. Just look at the blog and all their bad mouthing of one another.
Sort of On topio. TO J.E. of the 019 Gun Team. THANK YOU for your kind words and compassion in the District Lot the other day. It meant a lot to me to hear that from you. Ill do what i can to get you and Ralph some guns in my neck of the woods.Thanks again for steppin up for me and having MY back brother. Until then I felt awfully alone out here. Youre a good man. THANK YOU!.
Mr "X" key
It was put together so a Sodini's brother could work days and the other 20 people in the CAPS office needed a spot.
This the same Sodini that couldnt even read a topographic map of Abla and was "one upped" by a security guard? Oh well so much for the Commander, I mean Deputy, I mean Lieutenant.
Remember the days of sweeping a block and charging everyone with 193 (1)(a)?
That's "disorderly conduct" for J-Fed and the gel heads.
5/15/2009 02:16:00 PM
Ah yes! When WE owned the streets. But then came that rueful day when Gel Heads and Princesses were taken into the fold. THANK FUCKING GOD Retirement is but 4 years away.Forget it Brother. These kids are all about themselves. VERY few came from the stone we were cut from. VERY few.Im going to laugh my balls off at these kids from my home in Sunny Arizona sipping my Margaritas and slapping my 26 year old girlfriend on the ass. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You wimps go beefing because the car a/c is out. Too fucking bad. We sweat it out in cars that the floor boards were rotted through. The car ran and we ran. Making arrest after arrest. We did it because we were the baddest around, and we still are, us bad ass old timer's.
But wait Brother, Didnt I just hear that Gel Head suggest a new and improved way of policing? It was hard to hear him clearly from under Weis's desk.
Sorry OLD SCHOOL you got that one wrong! 98% working cops....think about it, that percentage really don't make sense to you. Twenty to 25% of the man power carries the rest to glory and retirement.
Always has been, always will be.
Yes Brother, I have to admitt your right ...I was trying to be kind...as we seem to do often with Dog Asses...the really hardcore do nothings are more like 20%. Nice to hear from the honest cops out there. None of us are super cops; just do your job, have a little pride
To all the 'old timers' bashing gen x'rs , we gen x's are in our mid to late 30's approaching forty and have anywhere from 5 to 18 years on this job...we are the department now ... if you're that dissattisfied with us ..QUIT. i think you guys are referring to the generation Y's .. the 23-30 year old recruits and two year wonders...
The same brand of tampons you use daily? Big talk to a recruit if this is a recruit, you idiot. Anyone can write postings on this blog.
I didnt know Daley used tampons........Besides Gel Head, how ya gonna get a tampon between these cast iron stones?YOU must work in 023.......ease up.....its BALLBUSTING.Comes with the job..ya know that thing you're SUPPOSED to do to get that check. An Old School Guy once put it to me like this......
Dont TELL me all the bad ass things you can do.....SHOW ME.
And that,in a nutshell,it what this is ALL about.
If I have probable cause to stop someone then I will do it. Then if I have reasonable suspicion that a crime occurred, then I will make a physical arrest.
academy should be ashamed this i out they are churning out
i think you guys are referring to the generation Y's .. the 23-30 year old recruits and two year wonders...
yes and please accept our sincere apologies for even putting you on the same page with them. "y" generation is the issue....there are a few stand up "x" guys around and again sorry for the confusion.
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