Danger Will Robinson! DANGER!!!
This has the potential for being bad. Very bad:
In a case some argue could throw open the long-standing secrecy behind police internal investigations, the 4th District Court of Appeals in Springfield has ruled internal affairs files are a public record regardless of the outcome of the probe.
Attorneys specializing in Illinois public records law said Thursday it is the first such ruling of its kind in the state and therefore binding on trial courts statewide. It could also have repercussions for long-running complaints about Chicago police brutality.
Great. Compelled testimony rears its ugly head again. Remember, you have less rights in an administrative investigation than a criminal one. You are ordered to answer questions. You are ordered to testify give information against your own self interests. You are assumed to be in possession of facts and recollections of incidents merely by your presence on a scene.
And if a single error or omission can be attributed to anything you put on paper, you will be fired.
Not only that, the bottom-feeders are going to use this civilly to ruin cops across the board. Anything you own, anything you've worked for, anything you've accomplished by dint of hard work serving and protecting is going to have to be sold, pawned or given away to defend yourself in a Crook County courtroom with a juries who already give felons millions.
And if a single error or omission can be attributed to anything you put on paper, you will be fired.
Not only that, the bottom-feeders are going to use this civilly to ruin cops across the board. Anything you own, anything you've worked for, anything you've accomplished by dint of hard work serving and protecting is going to have to be sold, pawned or given away to defend yourself in a Crook County courtroom with a juries who already give felons millions.
- The Sangamon County Sheriff and the State Attorney’s Appellate Prosecutor—who argued the case—have 35 days to decide whether to appeal the ruling to the Illinois Supreme Court
The Local and State FOP better get on the ball here. The National Lodge might not be a bad idea either.
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posted by SCC at 8:14 AM
73 Comments:
CAN I GET AN EVENT NUMBER?
Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse than it has gotten, we get it once again.
It truly has become dangerous to be the working police. It's much safer to hand out reports than to do anything that could get you fired, locked up or sent to the poor house while the thug sits in yours after a crook county jury awards it to him.
Contrary to what the article says, the 4th District Court of Appeals has little precedential value to Chicago.
You only have to worry if the IL Supreme Court Rules on it, then it affects the entire State.
I have found that without a contract, I have lost the incentive to be aggressive and pro-active and THAT, in turn, has gotten me ZERO CR's.
This ruling is sure to convince more in our profession, here in Illinois, to follow the same, sensible, "think of me and my family first" program.
The lawyers and judges will cause the destruction of our society as we know it. They make the rules and then make them unconstitutional.
Go to work, write a report for any silly call you get, go home safe, retire early, then move out of this godforsaken cesspool.
Just another reason to jack sh*t. Let the ghetto's burn, f*ck all of this.
Yup. I'm taking my medical coverage on my birthday and kissing this lovely career buh-bye.
I'm just grateful I got to be the police when we were still allowed to be the police.
This sort of makes Fed-Roid turning over the list of multi-CR officers names to the courts a pittance and a non-issue, doesn't it?
Dont worry. Just like Dugan and Weis, Obama has our backs. Keep working out there, dont worry about c.r.'s and the statments you are ordered to give. Dont worry about the fasle allegations that go as not-sustaiined even though all evidence proves the charges are unfounded. I am sure if it found out that a complainant lied, the deparment will go after the purjurer both civilly and criminally.
It will all be okay.
I guess "de-policing" is going to another whole new level now. We already far down to becoming like firemen. Leave the station when you get a job. Right now we are just leaving the hole.
Ed Burkes wife sits on the Illinois Supreme Court.Guess where this one is heading and the courts ruling.
We have honest Judges in Illinois??
Four more months and I can become a citizen of the United States again with all the rights that go with being a citizen as opposed to my being a second class citizen now. Just like I was before took this job. It bothers me to know that an illegal alien has more rights in this country than I do.
Pray that it doesn't happen.
Many years ago, I went to a IACP training where the instructor said that IAD records have been open records (after the investigation is over) in Florida for a long time. At that time, he didn't think that it had had too much impact but then again, things are more adversarial here than most places.
Anyone had a friend or contact in Florida who might know how this is impacting cops there?
That retirement date keeps looking better and better.
The FOP lawyers need to start advising officers that any testimony given will be held against them in a court of law. We will have to have a test case where an fficer refuses to give a statement after being given administrative rights, I dont believe the city will be able to fire you for refusing based on the recent court rulings but I also dont want to be the guy to find out.
Twenty and out is looking better and better. Half way there.
will be allowed to Black Out classifeied info like...say..the warren commission? or can we file a petition to seal cases or have oversight on editing?? this is our career...
The process of policing a city includes the longstanding tradion of RIDICULOUS allegations placed against officers on a daily basis.
any allegation within the last two years should be reviewed and arrests made if they are found to be false. that'll close this problem quick
Do you see now why the retirement age was lowered?
First, this is a three judge panel decision from the Illinois 4th District Court of Appeals (covers the middle part of the state near Urbana). Not the nucleus of legal thought in the state, let alone anywhere else. I'll bet more than 90% of all cases heard in that podunk appellate court are farming contracts.
Second, this decision has not been heard, maybe never will be heard, by the entire circuit (all 7 judges). Even despite that, the case is only law for other districts until any judge in any one of them says it ain't the law here.
Third, police are generally sued in federal court, something that almost always follows a complaint where the complaintant could give two shits how the internal investigation concluded. In these cases, the federal judge would control whether the investigation reports would be publicly released and no Illinois appellate court, not even the Illinois Supreme Court, would even have a say in the matter.
Rulings by judges capture too many headlines. Judges have power over you when you are standing in front of them. If you are not in front of them, they generally have no control over your life. That pleasure falls to the crooks that you elect to lead you. They are the ones in control.
For example, when your citizen friends ask you why they can't carry a concealed firearm, don't look to the US Supreme Court for help. Look no farther than City Hall and the Illinois governor. They're the ones standing in the way of your rights.
Today we are working in some very scary times! We do not have the support of our bosses, immediate and 35th brass. We have a Sup. that was not a police officer. We have an IAD boss who was not a police officer. We do not have the supoort of the public. We're dammed if we do dammed if we don't. We have a police hating, unprofessional, racisist president who makes terrible statements about something he has no facts about. He then throws more fuel on the race flames when he should be making no comment at all. Especially as the PRESIDENT! Obama has shown all of us how he feels about race and the police.
Now we have a liberal court system that makes special and unconstitutional rules for us. What's next?
The best post I ever read was from 7/23/09 4:49PM OneBigAssMistakeAmericaLets make shirts ASAP !!
Ok. Lets get the disciplinary history of all the bosses at city hall, the county building etc. Lets go ahead and publish the CRIMINAL records of some of these folks... lets have the ARDC release the disciplinary history if the judges and the attorneys. Fair is fair. If my PRIVATE JOB info is on display, so should everyone elses'.
OT but...........
Oh, how I ENVY New Jersey!
Let's just hope if the Feds got to the ultra-rabbis, they can get to our fake revruns!!!!
NJ ain't got nothin' on Chicago!!!
And yes, this ruling is scary as hell. Thank God I've only got maybe five years left.
Anyone who wants to be a copper in this day and age should have their head examined.
Fucking L-I-B-E-R-A-L-S go to hell!!! I hate you fucking liberal judges.
If I were to guess, I bet Weis is already sending out copies of everyone's file to Lovey and Lovey.
Local and state FLOP are basically useless. they have so much membership to hold protests, picket, etc; but never really do shit on their own as far as organizing any kind of protest. We'd still be under British Rule if they were around back in the Days of Americans fighting for independence. They FLOP just get to gether and mainly Bloviate, not getting tough, and as a result police membership via FOP is being run into the Ground by every punk with a cause of hatred for police authority, and their slimey Attorneys that represent them, and the Liberal Judges that rule against cops to be politically correct and fashionable to the lib-commies running the show. Don't count on these nickle-and-dimers for ANY kind of tough representation, they are paper - tigers, and only do something after their membership hounds them relentlessly for years.
why can't the COngress have an interanal affairs too then?
Why can't our city council have an internal affairs?
Why not the judiciary?
Is it just the lowest level of the executive branch that has an internal affairs? Meaning US?
Sure why not? SOme mope files a compalint against us and IA investigates it and the whole wordl can see it.
What if the mopes could file a beef against an alderman? a judge even? Then wouldn't that be interesting?
Let the whole world see your unsubstantiated, unproven dirty laundry? How about it there Judge?
Open government ...ain't it beautiful?
But why does it apply only to the executive branch? WHy? Because the judiciary says so, that's why.
Two Retired Area 5 Dets. have been found liable for punitive damages in a federal civil case. They each have to come up with $66,000.00 for allegedly detaining a witness against his will. Lovey and Lovey were the jagoffs attorney's.
Finally citizens complaining? I know a po's complaints are never heard so now maybe we will get more ppo's?
This State SUCKS!!!! South here I come!
now get out there and be aggressive.
you are warriors !!!
OT.for any of my brothers and sisters who pray, please keep in your prayers Lcpl.Dominick Davila USMC.who was severly wounded in Afganistan on thursday. Family to CPD and friend to many officers.
Hey folks, Compared to almost every other issue here's one that can really jamb you up. Let's get the police nation wide behind this appeal. Don't let the bastards win!
The Local and State FOP better get on the ball here
Yea right!
This is just another nail in the "morale coffin!" besides this BS police hating ruling, our police department is ready to implode! I have never seen our department in such disarray. Man power is FUCKED! Now they are sending tact teams out of the tax paying neighborhoods to west and southside districts. WOW! Good by CPD!!! Obama's foolish comments doesn't help. Looks like he was listening to the racisist fake rev. wright for those 22 years after all.
We must start to sue every dickhead that files a false complaint and never follow through with it. Maybe we can get some attention from the courts and politicians.
Just one more reason NOT to do shit and let this town go to hell!
I love what "chalkie" does and the outcries of the piece of shit liberal do gooders out here!
I tell people all the time that it is Mayor Daley's fault and remember that during election time because this all happens under his watch with all of the manpower shortages and shortage of decent equipment i.e. I still have a car computer that is more than ten years old, running on windows 98!
How sad for a progressive, I mean, this regressive Police Department!
You would think that out of all of the revenue and seizures of all kinds we police generate that we should all have at least the best, most up to date computers and cars to help get more tickets and revenue for this dumb city! But, when I run license plates it gives me error messages thus I can't write any tickets!
First of all, this will be appealed. Secondly, these records are already subject to discovery, so they're available to plaintiff's counsel now (and have always been). Thye real implication is that these records are available to anyone filing a "Freedom of Information" request. Still potentially challengeable. This issue is far from settled.
The BROTHERHOOD, including the NYPD and Chicago PD, stand united against Obama's "acted stupidly" comment about Cambridge (MA) P.D. Sgt. Jim Crowley. We DEMAND a public apology.
See THEE (NYPD)RANT item entitled "OBAMA plays the RACE CARD against the Police" for NYPD comments.
SCC: Please correct link in your rt. column from "NYPD RANT (updated)" to "THEE RANT" (NYPD). The POLECAT had to omit "NYPD" from site name due to potential copyright litigation by the City of New York.
We thought we had the worst politicians in NY and NJ. With Obama, Daley, Stroger, Blagojevich, Durbin and Burris and Weis, you guys now have that dubious distinction.
God bless the Chicago P.D.
Newsflash, SCC!!
The ruling by the dumb appeals court in Springfield won't change a goddamned thing! Stop with the bullshit, please. Here's something to think about -- cops are almost always sued for civil rights violations in Federal NOT State court, amirite? You can't possibly think that Loevy and his ilk will all of a sudden start bringing their claims in State court just to get access to these newly "public" records, do you? Trust me, it'll never happen. These lawyers already get whatever they want in terms of disciplinary/CR files from the federal judges. The ruling, while troubling, does nothing to change the landscape. Cops are at no greater risk today of being bankrupted by a judgment than they were last week. Get real.
Fellow Police Brothers and Sisters..
Best of luck!
Oh yeah to the GENERAL PUBLC (the Gang fearing, harassed,victims of the EVIL from the DOGS of the Earth......
BEST OF LUCK especially to you all....
You better be glad they lowered sanctions on the Marijuana posessors in Cook County you Liberals and yuppies, because YOU my friends are NOW going to need something strong to overcome your fears of the ANIMALS that will now mark you all as PREY in society!
The LAWYERS are winning their games in our courts and the general public particularly those of big cities like Chicago have no IDEA of the TRICKLE DOWN EFFECT of these decisions until DUDE wops them upside their unaware and dumbfounded heads!
Enjoy the summer!
FYI: Who asked Obama the "acted stupidly" question that ignited the firestorm?
Lynn Sweet, Chicago Sun-Times.
Aside from eMailing a message to President Barack Obama, the mailing addresses for the principals follows:
Sgt. James Crowley
Cambridge Police Dept.
125 Sixth St.
Cambridge, MA 02142
Henry L. Gates
17 Ware St.
Cambridge, MA 02138
Sounds like de-policing is going state wide.
Now that the investigations of all those BS complaints may bite the city in the ass, maybe the city will begin to enforce the signed affidavit requirement.
This is stupid beyond belief. An investigation based on accusations is a public record even if the investigation shows the accusations to be bogus, unfounded, or just plain damn' lies? The fact that an internal affairs investigation isn't something where the accused's rights are protected should make this a NO GO of the first order. If this decision stands, you guys may as well all quit before you lose everything you ever hoped to own.
Stupid! Stupid! Stupid!
I conducted several Article 32 investigations (the military version of a grand jury with only one member) before I retired from the Army, and the Privacy Act prevented information from being released to the public even if I found the charges to be supported enough to recommend that they go to Court-Martial.
Stupid! Stupid! Stupid!
ECS
If I were to guess, I bet Weis is already sending out copies of everyone's file to Lovey and Lovey.
lovey and lovey are small potatoes when it comes to suing the city and the police. they do it often but the major ones are they boys at ed fox and associates, jankovic and lets not forget kenny flaxman. they are the three major ones who sue the city over just about anything. these three guys probely enter 80 percent of the lawsuits against the city. obviously all of these lawyers are scum sucking lowlifes. defending ghetto dog dope dealers and gangbangers and giving them money not from the police... but giving them the money from the average taxpaying chicago citizen. they are scumbags and when they die one day they will leave no actual contribution to society behind. they help the bad people. the thugs, dope dealers and killers. they may think they are doing a "great social favor" to the lower class but they are ruining society for the almighty dollar. this society has become increasingly litigious because of these people. They have made this country soft and are corrupting the moral fabric that this country was built on. God help this country... its only a matter of time until our weakness is spoted by an enemy and we are all speaking another language.. we have become to over protective and soft... the liberals have already killed us all. its only a matter of time until it is realized.. but unfortunatly, it is already too late. this countries society is confused, brainwashed and completley ignorant to real life. they have no idea what happens outside of there nice suburban subdivisions. they think all is well and people are as they seem on t.v... they base all of thier opinions on what they see on television and the news. we are all screwed.
About the only ones who won't have to worry all that much are the 5 year-and-less wonder kids working tact, gang, TRU and MSF.
Yeah, they'll compile a ton more beefs than those of us smart enough to not stick our necks out for this County, City and Department. But they won't have to worry about consequences- particularly monetary consequences- since the majority of these nitwits still live in Mom and Dad's basement.
Most of these brainwashed warriors haven't acquired/accumulated any kind of nest egg of any significance.
The good news is that they should still be young enough to find other employment when they get fired and/or released from prison after they do some stupid shit. You know...the stupid shit the merit "bosses" told them not to worry about at every roll call while reciting the "Bending the Rules for Numbers Game" pep talk.
Figure it out, you hard-charging, brainwashed warriors. That college education you tout so regularly should help you come to the correct conclusions.
But then again, this IS the CPD.
You only have to worry if the IL Supreme Court Rules on it, then it affects the entire State.
7/24/2009 08:27:00 AM
If Daley wont obey the US Supreme Court(US v Heller),why would he fear the high court in Illinois.Burkes wife is one of their plants.
Garrity??
The ruling by the dumb appeals court in Springfield won't change a goddamned thing! Stop with the bullshit, please. Here's something to think about -- cops are almost always sued for civil rights violations in Federal NOT State court, amirite? You can't possibly think that Loevy and his ilk will all of a sudden start bringing their claims in State court just to get access to these newly "public" records, do you? Trust me, it'll never happen. These lawyers already get whatever they want in terms of disciplinary/CR files from the federal judges. The ruling, while troubling, does nothing to change the landscape. Cops are at no greater risk today of being bankrupted by a judgment than they were last week. Get real.
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I completely agree with this. 95% of your lawsuits are going to be federal lawsuits. ive been sued 12 times in my career and everyone of them has been federal. in federal court anything is discoverable and admissable including cr#s, the investigations and the outcomes. this really is nothing new at all. ive had almost all of the cr#s come up in federal court and they try to make a big deal about it. nothing new here. plus, just because an appellet court in springfield ruled it does not mean it applies to us. it does not apply to us... yet. if it goes to the illinois supreme court and they rule in favor of it then it will effect chicago. until then, nothing will happen. and dont worry, if this goes back to the illinois supreme court...again it will be shot down. this issue has gone infront of the supreme court many many times and its always gotten shot down. lets not start worrying yet boys and girls. its sounds worse than it is... try not to step in the bullshit too much, youll ruin your boots boys.
The FOP lawyers need to start advising officers that any testimony given will be held against them in a court of law. We will have to have a test case where an fficer refuses to give a statement after being given administrative rights, I dont believe the city will be able to fire you for refusing based on the recent court rulings but I also dont want to be the guy to find out.
7/24/2009 09:58:00 AM
That case already happened - many years ago - and the firefighters who refused to give statements under admin rights on the advice of counsel were fired. The firings were upheld. No FOP lawyer in his right mind would ever advise an officer to refuse to give a statement under admin rights. Leave that crazy shit to the PBPA lawyers. Let them destroy a career with a so-called test case, you idiot. Better yet, why don't you lead the charge, get a CR, and refuse to give a statement. YOU are the perfect "test case," you moron.
Local and state FLOP are basically useless. they have so much membership to hold protests, picket, etc; but never really do shit on their own as far as organizing any kind of protest. We'd still be under British Rule if they were around back in the Days of Americans fighting for independence. They FLOP just get to gether and mainly Bloviate, not getting tough, and as a result police membership via FOP is being run into the Ground by every punk with a cause of hatred for police authority, and their slimey Attorneys that represent them, and the Liberal Judges that rule against cops to be politically correct and fashionable to the lib-commies running the show. Don't count on these nickle-and-dimers for ANY kind of tough representation, they are paper - tigers, and only do something after their membership hounds them relentlessly for years.
7/24/2009 01:52:00 PM
GFY!! Name any union in the country that got anything but fucked in the past year. FOP Lodge 7 got free health care at 55 for members that choose to retire -- an unbelievable benefit. And yet you bitch. Run for FOP president, ya low-life jerk off.
Can you imagine if the CAMBRIDGE INCIDENT occured in CHICAGO? Their CHIEF of POLICE actually has their backs,we'd be sitting in callback.The MAYOR would CRUCIFY US and the PLAY-REV-RUNS would be getting money under the table.Worst case scenario if someone got shot during the nonsense,it could spark rioting for a 19-Pand of course our MEDIA would just pour gas on the fire.
Why has the PRESIDENT apologized for everything under the sun,but yet IGNORANTLY danced around the words "I'M SORRY"?
It is over
Dan Burke Fire Benefit sat 25 Jul at Trinity Pub 5943 n. Northwest HWY.
Retire PO Burke, founder on the Emerald Society lost his house in a tragic fire.
Come and join us for refreshments on Sat 25 July 7-10 pm to raise money for family.
Son is a Cook County Police Officer!
Two Retired Area 5 Dets. have been found liable for punitive damages in a federal civil case. They each have to come up with $66,000.00 for allegedly detaining a witness against his will. Lovey and Lovey were the jagoffs attorney's.
7/24/2009 02:22:00 PM
THAT'S A CROCK OF DUNG, THE CITY IS ON THE HOOK FOR THE DAMAGES. START SOME MORE SHIT,POT STIRRER
78th and YATES....Off duty Suburban Cop shoot 3 would be robbers...after being attacked....put this guy on the range
We have an IAD boss who was not a police officer.
Really asshat?? Hes probably the last REAL working cop that IS a Chief. get bent
Two Retired Area 5 Dets. have been found liable for punitive damages in a federal civil case. They each have to come up with $66,000.00 for allegedly detaining a witness against his will. Lovey and Lovey were the jagoffs attorney's
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get your facts straight tard... the dics dont have to pay. there was no punitive award given. the award was indemnified by the city and the 66,000 has to be paid by the city. the dicks dont have to pay anything. enough with the consiracy nonsense and get your info right before you post garbage.
Anonymous said...
Dont worry. Just like Dugan and Weis, Obama has our backs. Keep working out there, dont worry about c.r.'s and the statments you are ordered to give. Dont worry about the fasle allegations that go as not-sustaiined even though all evidence proves the charges are unfounded. I am sure if it found out that a complainant lied, the deparment will go after the purjurer both civilly and criminally.
It will all be okay.
After going thru what a certain PO went thru a few years back...I'd rather trust Obama than some of the P.O.'s on THIS department...half of the witnesses against him have been indicted or fired or resigned...Wanna guess WHY???
"THAT'S A CROCK OF DUNG, THE CITY IS ON THE HOOK FOR THE DAMAGES. START SOME MORE SHIT,POT STIRRER
7/24/2009 11:12:00 PM"
Lovey and Lovey toss in their 2 cents worth.
"We have an IAD boss who was not a police officer."
Are you nuts? Juan Rivera is the only Chief who was a working police officer. You're an idiot.
"...Anything you own, anything you've worked for, anything you've accomplished by dint of hard work serving and protecting is going to have to be sold, pawned or given away to defend yourself..."
Well pardner, me and my trusty AR-15 says otherwise. If I'm going down in such an unjust manner then I'm taking about 20-100 of the blood-suckers with me. You can take that to the bank, fo shizzle!
"We have an IAD boss who was not a police officer."
Are you nuts? Juan Rivera is the only Chief who was a working police officer. You're an idiot.
7/25/2009 04:15:00 AM
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They were talking about Kilmas (Feeb) so they are not an idiot.
DOES THIS MEAN THAT THE FOP COULD FILE FOR BEA CUELLO INVESTIGATION ON HER LOVELY DAUGHTER.
OR HOW ABOUT DIGGING IN THE ARCHIVE AND SEEING WHY PETERSON WAS DUMPED FROM THE AIRPORT BACK IN THE GOOD OLD DAYS.
OR HOW ABOUT A GOOFY CIVILIAN EXEMPTS THAT RUNS AROUND WITH A PISTOL THINKING HE IS THE POLICE.
I WOULD EXPECT IAD TO START HAVING SECRET FILES FOR THE PEOPLE WITH CLOUT. ALLEGATIONS AGAINST THEM WOULD BE VERY GENERIC.
NOW IF YOUD DONT HAVE CLOUT I WOULD EXPECT A LOT OF DIRECT QUOTES FROM POOKIE IN THE REPORT.
"HE DONE WHOOPED ON ME"
"THE BLUE SHIRT DIDNT TELL ME THEIR NAME WHEN THEY WERE FIGHTING WITH ME"
"THEY LOCKED UP MY MAN JUST CUZ IT HITTED ON ME"
YOU DONT THINK THEY HAVENT HAD A SECRET ROLL CALL TRAINING ON THIS.
Anonymous said...
78th and YATES....Off duty Suburban Cop shoot 3 would be robbers...after being attacked....put this guy on the range
7/24/2009 11:15:00 PM
WHAT RANGE???? THIRD LARGEST POLICE DEPARTMENT IN THE COUNTRY WITHOUT A RANGE FOR 9000 OFFICERS!
dont listen to this moron said...
Two Retired Area 5 Dets. have been found liable for punitive damages in a federal civil case. They each have to come up with $66,000.00 for allegedly detaining a witness against his will. Lovey and Lovey were the jagoffs attorney's
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get your facts straight tard... the dics dont have to pay. there was no punitive award given. the award was indemnified by the city and the 66,000 has to be paid by the city. the dicks dont have to pay anything. enough with the consiracy nonsense and get your info right before you post garbage.
7/25/2009 12:30:00 AM
WRONG! out of everyone that was being sued the two retired dicks got hit with $66,000 each in punitive damages. The city got hit with another $150,000 plus legal fees of over $600,000.
People you are missing the point of this ruling! This info will now be available via Freedom of info. A clever defense attorney will be able to use this info as defense exhibits to help get his client off. They will be able to question you about other beefs (ie. "this is a public record your honor") in defense of joe gangbanger in criminal court and then use your statements against you in a Fed lawsuit. This is the Burge tactic, but it will be able to be used in every trial. This is scary!!!
Two Retired Area 5 Dets. have been found liable for punitive damages in a federal civil case. They each have to come up with $66,000.00 for allegedly detaining a witness against his will. Lovey and Lovey were the jagoffs attorney's
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get your facts straight tard... the dics dont have to pay. there was no punitive award given. the award was indemnified by the city and the 66,000 has to be paid by the city. the dicks dont have to pay anything. enough with the consiracy nonsense and get your info right before you post garbage.
Sorry, you're both wrong. The City was hit for over $100,000 in compensatory damages. Those are the ones paid for with your tax dollars. The two detectives were hit for a little More than $66,000 each. Still think all cases should go to trial?
We have an IAD boss who was not a police officer.
7/24/2009 11:10:00 AM
Really asshat?? Hes probably the last REAL working cop that IS a Chief. get bent
7/24/2009 11:33:00 PM
Are you nuts? Juan Rivera is the only Chief who was a working police officer. You're an idiot.
7/25/2009 04:15:00 AM
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You are the real asshat 7/24/2009 11:33:00 PM.
And you are the one that is nuts 7/25/2009 04:15:00 AM.
7/24/2009 11:10:00 AM is exactly right. I am not the original poster, but you two goofs must be living under a rock. The original poster is referring to retired FEEB Climas that is the head of IAD, so fuck the both of you. Both of you owe 7/24/2009 11:10:00 AM an apology.
7/25/2009 03:44:00 PM
Klimas is a standup motherfucker, ask anyone who knew him from O'Hare.
He's common sense and has stopped more bullshit beefs in his short time than all the previous bosses combined.
Don't talk when your mouth is full of shit and you don't know shit!
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