Sunday, July 26, 2009

Much Ado About Nothing

  • The latest state traffic study on who gets pulled over by police shows once again that minorities are more likely to be the subject of so-called consent searches although police are more likely to find contraband in the vehicles of white drivers.

    The results of the annual state study were not a surprise to civil rights activists who are opposed to the searches, which are done with the consent of the driver.

    According to the 2008 study, released earlier this month, when a vehicle of a white driver was "consent-searched," officers statewide found contraband 24.7 percent of the time. When a vehicle driven by a minority was searched, officers found contraband 15.4 percent of the time.

    "The fact is every single year we see these same numbers," said Ed Yohnka, spokesman for the ACLU of Illinois. "There is just a predisposition to believe minorities have contraband.
Look at the prison population Ed. It's not a belief - it's reality. And that "every single year" data? That's called a trend. Trends tend to bear out over time. Kind of like "averages."

And since when does it fall upon the police to educate the populace? Isn't that the job of schools, families and the citizens themselves? That must be part of the ACLU scam - people are too stupid to educate themselves or learn about their rights and duties, so attack the cops for knowing their jobs. An ignorant populace is more likely to vote for democrats anyway.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's all just a numbers game.

If you search 2 white drivers and find contraband on 1 then you've found contraband on 50% of the white drivers searched.

Now if you search 10 minority drivers and find contraband on 4 then you've found contraband on 40% of the minority drivers.

Conclusion:
50% White vs. 40% Minority
or
1 White vs. 4 Minority

Even though 400% more minority drivers had contraband it can be spun to make it look like more whites had it.

That's because fewer whites consent to searches so when something is found the percentage will be naturally higher.

To be a valid study they need to show how many actual people were found to have something and not just percentages.

That is all, class dismissed.

7/26/2009 12:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I used to enter the data for the department I was working for. I'll tell you this, searches that were on a consent basis were usually THUGS!!!! Most THUGS are hispanic or whiteboys who want to be hispanic. Or maybe a half and half whiteboy who has his daddy's hispanic last name.

Outside of some POSSIBLE racist officers that are amongst us (very few, but they do exist), most of the profiling is really done against GANGBANGERS who drive around in hoopties with the music blaring and their hats cocked to their respective side. Most of those bangers are in some shape or form a MINORITY! Now, the stats do not keep track of the passengers, only the person who is driving the auto. The driver could be a full or partial hispanic and all the other passengers could be whiteboys. The whiteboy in the passenger seat throws a bottle of beer out the window catching your attention.... the stop card only lists the driver who is a minority.

I am hispanic myself and I am sorry to say that my people are really stupid if they claim they are being profiled. Get a fucking life.

These studies are nothing but a waste of tax payer dollars. The only targets are the trouble makers who attract attention to themselves by driving in circles 4 deep in a car with temp tags breaking the amplified audio ordinances while passing stop signs or speeding high on drugs. Yes people, this is reality, this is what is happening on our streets. These studies are not taking that into consideration. Most of the consent to searches may turn up nothing but some weed but there are some that do pop a pistol or two preventing a homicide down the line.

If you are pulled over, don't think it's because your are black or hispanic, its because you did something stupid such as breaking a traffic law or in the bangers case, had your music loud enough that it could be heard 75 feet from your car. Maybe your plate is expired or you almost sideswiped a car. There is always some reason for getting pulled over, and it has nothing to do with the color of your skin.

The town I worked for had a huge hispanic population. Yes most of the vehicles pulled over were driven by unlicensed hispanic people, the stop cards reflect this. This does not mean that they were targeted. You have to have done something to get pulled over. Damn, you should have made that stop.

7/26/2009 01:24:00 AM  
Anonymous bratton fan said...

I guess you don't understand statistics.

If 15% of the people you search in one demographic have contraband, and 25% have contraband in another demographic, then you're either searching way too much in the former demographic, or you're systematically picking the wrong people in that demographic.

If it's true that minorities are more likely to have contraband, then the success rate is that much worse.

The only explanation I can think of for the low sucess rate is that the Chicago police are REALLY bad at distinguishing between likely criminals in minority neighborhoods and average young guys in minority neigborhoods.

Or maybe you have a better explanation at why CPD has such a high failure rate in their consent searches of minorities. Put your theory up to the test or syfp. Stuff like this is important enough to figure out, rather than just popping off with preconceptions that fall apart as soon as anyone takes a serious look at them.

7/26/2009 01:46:00 AM  
Blogger Phil Schitz here said...

"An ignorant populace is more likely to vote for democrats anyway."
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BINGO!

7/26/2009 01:55:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So can i save some ink and not have to fill out those stupid cards?!

7/26/2009 03:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Statistics are evil, but to a politician, they are golden. Every statistic can be skewed to favor a politician's viewpoint. They maybe facts, but how you present the facts is what supports your point of view.

7/26/2009 04:06:00 AM  
Blogger Stop the presses/ Patrick said...

More racial pot stirring and here's more- Barney Fife and Chicago Police dog Bear accused of profiling at, http://stopthepresses2.blogspot.com/search/label/Racial%20Profiling

7/26/2009 07:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The white folks the minority in this sanctuary city.

7/26/2009 08:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh for the old days when we didnt need to fill out a stop card, ( or should I say an Obama card ) Yes I stopped plenty of cars with black drivers, guess what I worked in all black districts my whole career. When they woould give me the old Louis Henry Gates " you only stoppin me because Iam black" I would say look around and say do you see any white guys shooting or driving hot cars in the hood? Guess what my stop ratio on white guys was 100% any white guy in the hood on a side street was buying a rock, he needed a stop and toss. The stops made on black dudes in the hood were criminal profile stops not racially profiled stops, how do you think we got the guns, dope hot cars etc. Guess what I am retired and glad of it The courts and legislators have made the job of Beat Cop impossible enough, and then getting a jag off like J-Fed who never stopped a car full of dick heads on a hot Friday night in August on the streets in Englewood at 57th and Marshfield just to take a look . Fuck him and the crowd he came in with Anyone who gives a shit any more is crazy no one has your back, do what you have to do to keep each other safe and your family comes first.

7/26/2009 08:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

the premise of the egghead arguement is that the white community is just as dirty as the community of color-- why ???? -- look, consent searches of white drivers yielded more recovered contraband--- wow, you are blowing my f*****g mind--- so now we are all on an even playing field--- so how come their are so many homicides and agg batts with firearms in the communities of color and none in the white communities--- can you do a study to figure that one out mr. egghead---

7/26/2009 08:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

LIARS FIGURE AND FIGURES LIE.

7/26/2009 09:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Another factor that plays into this is there are more police in minority neighborhoods. This is not our idea, it's the politicians who want the crime in those neighborhoods suppressed. More cops, more traffic stops.

7/26/2009 10:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I don't consent to a search."
"Am I free to leave?"
"I have nothing further to say without a lawyer present."

It doesn't get any simpler than that.

Of course THAT pisses some people off...

7/26/2009 10:55:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I never profile the person, I always profile the car the person is driving. Think about it.

7/26/2009 11:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who cares.

7/26/2009 12:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ignorant populance votes democrat????? are you serious?

how about those retarded republican rednecks that hate goverment getting ivolved in the private sector?.. oh but its ok to have the govt try to ban abortion and stem cell research. dam hypocrites!!

thats ok the republican party will end up like the wig party.. its just a matter of time.

7/26/2009 12:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why is it that these numbers must be taken at face value, and the traffic study numbers, that proved no profiling was taking place, must not be taken at face value?

Got to love the libtards, they beleive their own BS.

7/26/2009 12:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They are stopped more why? Junk cars? gang baners on parade? loud booming music? hats turned? WTF typical liberal shit! If they come to the homefront stop em, if in the ghetto let them roam like the buffalo!

7/26/2009 12:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Okay, now lets define contraband, an open beer, weed...or a pistol or kilo or 2. Come on guys these numbers are only useful to guide the sheeple to the edge of the cliff so they can jump off!

7/26/2009 12:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

why dont they conclude from the study that minorities just commit more traffic violations? police do not randomly pull people over based on what they look like. police pull people over because of what they did wrong.

also, if the higher ups are so concerned about minorities being pulled over more often, pull the police out of the areas where minorities live. law of averages says that if there are more police in an area with a high concentration of minorites, the greater the chance a minority will get pulled over.

7/26/2009 01:27:00 PM  
Anonymous tom paine said...

i'd like to see this. put the same amount of police manpower on beat 711 as they put on beat 2211. methinks then you will have less minorities getting pulled over . . .

do we put more police in englewood because of the skin color of the people there? or do we have more police in places like englewood because of the quality and character of those people's actions? it make me think that nowadays, MLK's dream of being judged by the quality of your actions and less by your skin color has been realized. sad but true . . .

7/26/2009 01:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't let this bother you, it's only been released to try to validate Obama's ridiculous comments about profiling.

7/26/2009 01:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

YAWN!.........

7/26/2009 02:18:00 PM  
Anonymous ACLU said...

[...]That is all, class dismissed.

7/26/2009 12:58:00 AM


Dude, you're twisting our findings. Just accept our explanation, and don't look behind the curtain.

7/26/2009 02:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anti
Christ
Lovers
Union

These same assholes will represent NAMBLA (who advocates sex between men and boys) so why should anyone give two sh*ts what they say or is right or wrong. Members of both groups I have just mentioned I hope have a extra rotten place in hell waiting for them.

7/26/2009 02:53:00 PM  
Anonymous no more incumbents said...

the police department is set up for racial profiling. just look, they put more police in minority neighborhoods than they do in white neighborhoods? why? skin color? the character of the people?

want to end racial profiling? put the same amount of police in every neighborhood, white, black, hispanic, asian, other ethnicities.

then we will see who behaves better when the police are distributed equally.

Beat 811 is almost as big as the 007th district. Let's put one car in 007 and one on Beat 811. your profiling statistics may equal out then.

HAHAHAHAHHAHA!!!!!

7/26/2009 03:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Figures lie and liars figure! Statistics can always be skewed to any particular point of view. This study should be put in the round file and all this bullshit about profiling is just bullshit.

Sometimes you just want to scream and strangle these asshats.

7/26/2009 04:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I make everyone I stop white, even when they aren't, easy enough....

7/26/2009 05:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just think that things are deteriorating so badly that one day, we will have armed soldiers patrolling the streets, maybe the National Guard, like in third world countries. Of course, we will still be blamed for it...not the politicians and their bullshit evil ways. The lawyers who are nothing better than the thieves and criminals they represent, or our so called leaders, who will say and do anything to get a vote, the revs who whore themselves in front of God, soon something has to give...this is really getting bad.

7/26/2009 07:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SCC, in order to not take up too much space with everything about this study that is flawed, I will simply make one point which is....

The stop cards that my dept uses have five categories for race. So basically, everyone that I stop has to fit into one of these five categories which we all know is not realistic.

That is all.......

7/26/2009 08:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Another factor that plays into this is there are more police in minority neighborhoods.

--Don't forget Dugan's letter stating he wants more stops.

Now Operation Safe City wants stops... they want cars.

The "minority" areas are saturated with extra police encouraged to do stops and impound cars. Pulling tac teams from white areas and putting them in high crime black areas.

Is there a bit of encouragement on the Department's part???? They are placing us into these areas.

7/26/2009 09:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OT *** FYI *** Tuesday, 10pm NBC5 News

Carol Marin is set to "expose" the high number of people being shot here in Chicago, lately.

7/26/2009 10:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OT *** FYI *** Tuesday, 10pm NBC5 News

Carol Marin is set to "expose" the high number of people being shot here in Chicago, lately.

7/26/2009 10:18:00 PM

BWAH HA HA HA HA HA HA

I hear next week she's going "expose" that the sky is blue, and that water is wet! EEEEK!

7/26/2009 10:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nuber and percentages are all BS. You can make them say what you want as pointed out in several posts.


The reson this study is bias anyways is because of who actually fills out this retarded cards. Police in smaller towns where MORE WHITES live and are pulled over fill out the card on just about every stop. Police who work in busy crime ridden minority areas(CPD WAUKEGAN AURORA MAYWOOD) don't have time to fill out this BS card on every stop and know it is just that............ BS. There is a reason prison majority is made up of minorities.

Next they will use this statistic that there are more whites on disablility and SSI and other government programs then blacks. NO SHIT! WE ARE A MAJORITY that is slowly decreasing. In order for that statement to be accurate you need the PERCENTAGE OF THOSE GIVEN THE FREE HANDOUTS PER POPULATION. YOU know what those numbers would look like ;)

7/27/2009 12:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I make everyone I stop white, even when they aren't, easy enough....

7/26/2009 05:01:00 PM"


Oh you kid!

7/27/2009 12:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Now Operation Safe City wants stops... they want cars.
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What is that?????

7/27/2009 12:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
They are stopped more why? Junk cars? gang baners on parade? loud booming music? hats turned? WTF typical liberal shit! If they come to the homefront stop em, if in the ghetto let them roam like the buffalo!

7/26/2009 12:47:00 PM

Damn, there's a song in there somehere!

7/27/2009 06:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Carol Marin is set to "expose" the high number of people being shot here in Chicago, lately.

7/26/2009 10:18:00 PM

Nah, She's too busy waxing poetic about how wonderfully competent Ron Luberman is & that he's going to be Super Daddy. Boy Carol, time to retire you've been @ the trough drinking too much moron juice & it shows...

7/27/2009 08:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Instead of using the word "contraband" (which covers many things) why not reveal the number of WEAPONS ONLY RECOVERED by each group???

7/27/2009 09:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Much Ado About Nothing"...

Instead of using the word "contraband", which covers a mulitude of "things" and FOCUS ON WEAPONS RECOVERED FROM EACH GROUP????

7/27/2009 09:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
SCC, in order to not take up too much space with everything about this study that is flawed, I will simply make one point which is....

The stop cards that my dept uses have five categories for race. So basically, everyone that I stop has to fit into one of these five categories which we all know is not realistic.

That is all.......

7/26/2009 08:19:00 PM


Everyone I stop is listed as a white person. All of them. They look white to me.

7/28/2009 06:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said... "That's because fewer whites consent to searches so when something is found the percentage will be naturally higher."

So, WHITE GUY not consenting...
does he end up getting searched by you? Or do you give him a pass on the search and just a ticket?

Never mind...know THAT answer.

7/28/2009 08:03:00 AM  
Blogger hiflyer767 said...

Everyone I stop is listed as a white person. All of them. They look white to me....


++++++++++++

But some of them cats got some FUCKED up accents...

LMAO

SAY WHAT?!?!?!

7/28/2009 01:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who cares?!?

Yeah, I'll pull someone over if I don't like the way they "look."

What's the over/under on this upcoming weekend's murder tally?

Anyone?

7/28/2009 08:05:00 PM  

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