Contract Ratifications
The Captains voted last week to ratify their contract 40-20.
The Lieutenants voted to ratify their contract 109-101.
Both of these contracts included a zero percent pay raise (with a "me-too" provision if the FOP wins a raise) and, we understand, a clause that lets the City re-open Health Care issues at any point during the duration of the Contract, such as if Obama Care passes and the City can unload everyone into socialized health care options. There are disciplinary issues as well as the 55 and out provision.
The Sergeants are currently voting and their Board had voted 12-1 against passage.
While the PBPA is a separate Bargaining Agent from the FOP, we have no doubt that the City negotiators will be using these voting results during arbitration to say, "See how the supervisors caved to our demands? The FOP should, too." It's amazing how the Captains and Lieutenants sold out their own self interests and all future promotees.
We fully expect that the Lieutenant spots will be 100% SES "merit" picks (just like Captains) within the life of this contract. The City saves $4 million in testing development money and countless millions defending the crooked testing process. Plus, they get to put their people in where they want them.
The Lieutenants voted to ratify their contract 109-101.
Both of these contracts included a zero percent pay raise (with a "me-too" provision if the FOP wins a raise) and, we understand, a clause that lets the City re-open Health Care issues at any point during the duration of the Contract, such as if Obama Care passes and the City can unload everyone into socialized health care options. There are disciplinary issues as well as the 55 and out provision.
The Sergeants are currently voting and their Board had voted 12-1 against passage.
While the PBPA is a separate Bargaining Agent from the FOP, we have no doubt that the City negotiators will be using these voting results during arbitration to say, "See how the supervisors caved to our demands? The FOP should, too." It's amazing how the Captains and Lieutenants sold out their own self interests and all future promotees.
We fully expect that the Lieutenant spots will be 100% SES "merit" picks (just like Captains) within the life of this contract. The City saves $4 million in testing development money and countless millions defending the crooked testing process. Plus, they get to put their people in where they want them.
Labels: contract stuff
posted by SCC at 9:01 AM
159 Comments:
SUNKEN SHIP
Thanks you fu@#ing merit sellouts.
You sound like you now write for the SunTimes. Very uncharacteristic!
How is voting to ratify the contract selling out their interests?
How do you then make the leap to the Lts being 100% SES merit spots?
Your statementstyle associates this contract to when the Captains DID sell out for about 15k. There is nothing in this contract like that.
The Captains and Lts simply agreed to take the exact same raise that is eventually negotiated or arbitrated with FOP or the fire dept.
The Sgt's contract will not be ratified. The Captain's ratified because 3/4 of them can go today. Maybe half the Lt's can go today. The majority of the Sgts are on the younger side and have nothing to gain from this offer, especially the power test for newly promoted Sgts. Can you blame them the other ranks for wanting out? Half the entries on this blog are people who want out!
They get paid more than us anyway talk about a spineless decision! A Lt makes 20K more per year and a capt about 30K more per year plus perks and a bigger pension! The FOP would never allow no retro,not with the leaders in charge who know all the D-1 officers deserve it!!
THESE R ARE LEADERS HMMMM.
PEOPLE ALWAYS WONDER WHY ALOT OF ARE WHITE SHIRTS ARE NIT WITS. JUST LOOK AT THEIR VOTES.
LEAVE HEALTH CARE OUT TO BE PLAYED W/ LATER!
DEPEND ON THE FOP TO GET THEIR RAISE. U WHITE SHIRT PUT INTO THIS GROUP HARD EARNED CASH AND ALL THEY CAN DO IS GET U TESTED FOR BOOZE OFF DUTY!
THE LT'S AND CAPTAIN SHOULD BE LAUNCHED FROM R SO CALLED UNION THEY R MANAGEMENT!
LET THEM DRAIN THE RESOURCES OF THEIR UNION. LET THE CITY HIRE LAWYERS FOR THEM WHEN THEY GET FEDERAL BEEFS.
Most of the Captains have less than a few years left...More than half the Lt's have less than a few years left. They obviously don't give a flying fuck about the rest of us, next time the W/C says I am low on curfews and movers he can get off his fat, old ass and write them himself.
I am sad to say, because I really enjoy locking people in this city up, but I am done!!! The Richie Daley and his mindless voting public and the media will get their wish someday, this city will become overrun with crime but there will be no lawsuits or bad press for the CPD because nobody but Dugan, Special K and JPUD will be locking anybody up anymore.
a clause that lets the City re-open Health Care issues at any point during the duration of the Contract, such as if Obama Care passes and the City can unload everyone into socialized health care options
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You all think our hc sux now? Just wait. Why we are not assailing "our" reps at town halls is beyond me!
Supporting the anti-#hcr crowd would give us instant bonus points.
Could you imagine a whole posse of OD PO's protecting little old grandma's from the SEIU and ACORN thugs??
We missed a golden opportunity.
OFF TOPIC:
4 officers shot in New Jersey
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/09/24/new.jersey.shooting/index.html
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J-Fed at outdoor roll call
Eggs fly and he flees
If you are under 35, with 5-10 years on, GET OUT NOW! You will regret staying.
The smart thing to do is have the F.O.P. not ask for a pay raise. Instead, ask for some other type of benefit from the city that would be equivalent to a 4-5% pay raise each year. The city would still come out ahead since they wouldn't be giving any pay increase for the lt's and capt's. And the best part is we stick it to the lt's and capt's. They have sold us out. They want us to pay for their pay raise. They have not given any money to the F.O.P. to pay for the arbitration. The city wanted to split the police unions up, so be it. The lt's and capt's showed their true colors.
If the lt and capt contract is anything close to the sgt one, it is garbage. Take away the retirement package and their is not one good thing in it.
Thanks...Boss !!!!!
:(
( always looking out for the Blue Shirts )
These supervisor unions didn't even ask for non-monetary benefits for themselves. Such as more bid spots and lower percentage of meritorious promotions. If sgt's contract passes, all new sgt's will have to take a yearly power test without pay as I read it. They have uniform vouchers which will lead to taking away uniform money. The list goes on. All for a retirement package that will last a few years. The city can't afford to lose any more officers if we get the Olympics so the package will go away as it's not part of the contract. The rest will be with them and us forever.
SCC is right...the LT exam will be no longer-it has gone the way of SES so if any SGTs out there had any sort of aspiration to make it; start "promoting" yourselves. There are quite a few that have a certain "skill" that will get them that bar. It is a shame that our management staff (I use that term very loosely) are such sellouts.
Leave it to a white shirt to fuck us over. Again.
Merit can make a man do strange things, like sell his soul. Never trust a back stabbing ass sucking boss!
The contract has nothing to do with how the city promotes, they can change that at any time. Also they did not agree on no raise, they put in the me-too clause which keeps the door open that way the city only has to deal with one bargaining unit. The rest of the stuff in the contracts are writing on the wall and already established in other citits. How do you argue to an arbitrator and say that we do not wanted to be tested for alcohol? I do not agree with everything in the contracts but I believe that if the Capt's and Lt's were to roll the dice they would have lost. I am willing to bet the Sgt's lose when they roll the dice because it looks like they are not going to ratify theirs. We will see who is right. In defense of the Lt's it barely passed, only by 8 votes.
Fuck that I at least want 15.5 over 4 yrs
if it means anything, I voted "no" on the sgt's contract. How could anyone vote "yes".
Had to post this, guys, we need to send our prayers this way.
"4 Police officers shot New Jersey Raid"
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/09/24/new.jersey.shooting/index.html?eref=rss_topstories
this was an opportunity for capts, lts, hopefully sgts, and fop to show a united front vs the city...
who knows what was promised behind closed doors, future possible exempt positions (merit), captain positions (merit)... power/greed/ego is corruptible and just presenting 'a possibe promising future' is so enticing that the 'city' knows so well.
ie. certain inside positions are told to not bid for a watch position, to bid management so the bid spot is not used up...that you will be taken care of...until the boss leaves or you piss someone off, etc; now you are screwed.
if we resign ourselves believing there is no hope, then we can expect more of the same...ALL UNIONS or should i say ALL those individuals who believe the city is just plain wrong should gather together and march.
PICK A DAY/PLACE/TIME VERY SOON...LET'S JUST DO IT.
As a current Lt. I am disgusted that the contract was ratified, 109-101. It also mean about 40 didn't even vote.. The ones in favor, mostly, couldn't see past the 55 and out for health care. They caved like sheep on a lot of issues, such as discipline, physical fitness, using as their excuse, "well everybody else is doing it". Since when do we just give up on things that were fought for because everyone else is doing it?
How do you agree to a 0% raise and hope the FOP will get a proper raise for us? The FOP and arbitrator hasn't always had the memberships best interests at heart...
Lt's are supposed to be leaders not followers, it appears some Lt's are going the way of a lot of exempts, "let me worry about myself, and the rest be dammed"
To all the P/o's and Sgt's out there please know we are not all sheep, and we will lead by example and we are not to arrogant to ask the advice of anyone, especially when that person has been doing the job a lot longer than us. Because we know we don't know it all...Hopefully with this 55, all the followers will follow each other out the door and make room for those who actually want to do the job.
As always please be careful, back each other up, and take care of your families...
4570 days to retirement...
thanks,RICH DALEY!HA HA HA BITCHES,da boss is very happy.
The Captains and Lieutenants just fucked every Sergeant and Patrolman. I doubt the Sergeants will ratify the contract but they along with the FOP are screwed big time in arbitration by what those fuckheads did in agreeing to such horrible conditions.
O/T Heard Weis is buildig a home in AZ.???? Sounds like ehe is gone.
OT: Pittsburgh Police Department is 1st class!! They have really been great to us out here. Let's just hope we do better for them in 2016.
OT: WBBM reports Obama will be heading to coppenhegan. I guess daley really is the king. Oh well, shitcago is no more.
you hit the nail on the head
lieutenants will be 100% merit picks because the old captains sold out years ago and courts upheld the selection process
good luck to any sgt that will not be promoted in the next class
did the capts & lts give shortshanks the olympics...wasn't it a stipulation that police contracts needed to be settled giving the city 2 out of 4 contracts..
i had suggested a march, but why not have a silent rally at the Chicago Memorial site with our fallen heroes, like gandhi, where just our presence will 'SHOUT' a message...
I just puked...
The courts have recognized that Sergeants are NOT considered to be members of management in the CPD. That explains their reluctance to go for the city's BS
As an under 55 Lt., I'm absolutely SICK that this contract passed. It was close, and I'd like to kick the 30 that didn't take the time to vote right in the balls...
"Fuck EVERYONE,I'm 55 and I'm gone!" or "Fuck it, The only balls I have are the ones on my star. I'll let someone ELSE decide my fate."
I expect the old-timers in the Sgt's ranks will do the same.
I've said it before. Last year I predicted that if BHO won the presidency that National HealthCare was in our future.
Watch by the time the Olympics come we(CPD & City Employess) will be participants of Socialized Medice a.k.a OBAMACARE.
I cant wait for the next election. Good Bye Daley and Obama
This does not surprise those of with some time on the job. This is and always be the Chicago way. All merit hacks live in fear of the day they are outed and believe that will be demoted for their incompetence.
Why wouldn't the bosses sign the contract . They have everything to gain and nothing to lose. With the metoo clause they figure, let the FOP spend the time and money for the arbitration and they will get the pay raises and health benefits through the FOP arbitration FOP is pimping for them Let the bosses use their dues to get the raises
CPD leadership...yeah right.
to everyone who has said to me that we will be able to keep our insurance as it is, and after reading this blog, all i can say is i told you so. keep voting DEMOCRATIC YOU FOOLS!!! i for one knows that if this happens that just about seals my fate, and puts another nail in my coffin. i know now i will never see retirement.
FUCK DALEY & his merit bosses. Are there any Supervisors By Examination Left ?????????
Off Topic
Fire last night in the 10th District.
Two decease, elderly mother and her adult son.
Two seriously injured, including the 24 year old daughter of a C.P.D. Detective. Our thoughts and prayers are with you.
Do you have Smoke & CO Detectors?
Are they working? Please check them.
Obama Care was was in the mix long before Obama was elected.
Do you think it's a coincidence that Daley told us about six years ago no health care after 2013?
Now Obama says his health care plan will be in full force by 2013!
Daley knew a long time ago this was going to become a reality, And yes you too will be on Obama Care.
Your dog will have access to better heath care than you and I.
Thanks Boss! I sure hope they used a lot of Anal Lube before you willingly bent over and let them ram that contract up your ASS!
The Lt's got
1. The ability to bid quarterly with 3 choices. Before they had to wait till a new class came out or 2spots opened in a district and only one choice. In other words forever.
2. Uniform vouchers in addition to the allowance for any new required clothing or equipment.
3. The ability to retire at age 55 with full medical.
4. The option to opt out of the power test at any time.
5. A me too clause with the FOP and Fire Fighters union pertaining to raises.
They did not get that much but they did get something.
WHAT HAPPENS IF WE WANT TO RETIRE? WE HAVE TO RETIRE AT THE LEVEL WE ARE FROM TWO YEARS AGO. WTF!!!
..." They have uniform vouchers which will lead to taking away uniform money. The list goes on."...
The uniform vouchers, as I read it are if the city decides we need a FIRST ISSUE of something, or to buy something specific like body armor. The uniform allowances stay.
That is exactly what was expected from white shirts. They sold out when they allowed the city to play the games with the captains and they will do the same thing with the Lts. The biggest problem with cops is that they are always one way and one way only. All cops care about is what they can get. That is why our union is such a joke. All they care about is what they can get for themselves.
No one cares about doing the right thing for the common good of all cops. All they care about is what can I get.
Until cops begin to look out for each other all the time, we will never be taken serious and the city will continue to shit on us. Not to mention the capts and Lts and Sgts should all be part of The FOP that way the city can not play these bs games they play with the clouted up ones. Of course the capts and Lts will agree to any thing the city says because they want to keep their little spot.
Until the entire dept begins to stick together we will always be a lauging stock to the city.
Cops need to stop being shelfish and begin sticking toghether. What ever happened to the thin blue line. I always hear about the thin blue line, but I have been on for 13 years and I never see the thin blue line. All I see is every one is for themself and that is all.
FUCK DALEY & his merit bosses. Are there any Supervisors By Examination Left ?????????
9/24/2009 02:16:00 PM
GFYS! As IF the testing procedure is legit. Until there is a test given without certain exempt members having access to answers, all bets are off. I can't say All the people who passed these tests had help, but, most of us know of the secret study groups, the invitation only study group, and the ones that had access to the expert groups.
This is the reason why no supervisor should ever be present at roll call when the contract is being discussed. No supervisor should ever discuss or try to influence our decision making process, but thy do and most blue shirts and detectives let them.
These bosses are out for whats good for them not us.
You fu%$ing sell outs. I guess you forgot what is was like to be a P.O.
A working Sgt.
I'm a Sgt that max's out next year. I was really excited about the 55 and out had hoped to retire in October or November 2010. But I will not vote yes for this contract because of what a ratification means to the rest of us. What about those Sgts. that don't have the time in that I do? What about the message a ratification sends to the city and the arbitrator? What about the notion that by voting yes that you are rewarding Daley's bad behavior and his refusal to negotiate in good faith at contract negotiations? By offering us this contract Daley has stated what he really thinks about this Police Department. FUCK HIM! I for one, as a Sgt. with almost twentynine years on the job will be voting no on this proposal. I encourage every other Sgt. to do the same thing.
Be prepared to become a patient at Stroger Hospital. Call the Fantus Clinic for an appointment. Wait about six months to see a doctor. Then give your social security number, birthdate, and home address to the sister of one of your arrestees. Then stand in line for an hour to get your meds.
Yes we can!
Got a letter back from Bill Cozzi today. He is surrounded by deadbeats and worse. He says his appeal date is 13 OCT 09. Please keep him in your thoughts. He says hello to everyone.
The city has NEVER given the Sgts, Lts or Captains a financial package different than the FOP. Historically, the city negotiates with the FOP for money and gives the same pkg to the others. This contract is no different.
As to the other issues in the contract, I don't like them but I can't see an arbitrator not giving them to the city.
The Sgts got screwed in the last arbitration. They didn't get the same money as the others.
If they go to arbitration, the ME-TOO no longer applies. It happend in the last contract-they lost. agtthe sgtThere is no real negotiating with the city. ion .it to the othy areseperatera
Off topic, Check out Chicagoans forRio.com. Too Funny.
Idiots.
Sergeant here. Voting NO.
Why would you hold a vote before the Olympic decision anyway??..you stupid fucking morons!!!
It sets a bad precedent, and when you get 6% raise for 5 years on your next contract, the mayor will say, well that is a whopping increase from last time, so for the next 10 years you will be fucking yourself, because it effects your pension..How stupid are you fucking people??
Stupid sellouts
You sound like you now write for the SunTimes. Very uncharacteristic!
How is voting to ratify the contract selling out their interests?
How do you then make the leap to the Lts being 100% SES merit spots?
Your statementstyle associates this contract to when the Captains DID sell out for about 15k. There is nothing in this contract like that.
The Captains and Lts simply agreed to take the exact same raise that is eventually negotiated or arbitrated with FOP or the fire dept.
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By doing so, they're making it that much harder for us to obtain a raise in arbitration, while simultaneously allowing the papers to demonize hte "greedy patrolman"
Does that clarify it, Captain?
Fucking Lt's and Captains. Very damn few are any good anyhow.
Anonymous said...
The Sgt's contract will not be ratified. The Captain's ratified because 3/4 of them can go today. Maybe half the Lt's can go today. The majority of the Sgts are on the younger side and have nothing to gain from this offer, especially the power test for newly promoted Sgts. Can you blame them the other ranks for wanting out? Half the entries on this blog are people who want out!
9/24/2009 09:23:00 AM
I guarantee that 100% of my blog entries are from someone who wants out.
Just let the arbitrator force us into no retro, I can't think of a more effective means to really make sure the CPD ship has sunk and won't be coming back above water.
Go ahead you stuttering prick, see how this department responds to no retro. You won't like it.
did the capts & lts give shortshanks the olympics...wasn't it a stipulation that police contracts needed to be settled giving the city 2 out of 4 contracts..
9/24/2009 01:12:00 PM
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This rumor about contracts has been going around forever.
Can anyone DOCUMENT where it is written that contracts must be settled before the IOC makes its announcement?
It doesn't make any SENSE that contracts would have to be in place SEVEN YEARS before the Olympics. We are talking about contracts that don't carry through the Olympic period, anyway. They'll be long expired.
Where did this rumor start?
Bossholes.
Will all Exempts have to take Power tests????
As a captain who voted against this contract offer let me say that I cannot figure out why my fellow captains voted for it. The two meager "pluses" are hardly worth the FIVE YEAR NO RAISE provision. To bet on FOP's arbitration? Insane.
For the 55 year old health care? Even that a55hole lawyer Gittler said that the city was likely to offer it regardless of whether the contract was ratified.
The capt most responsible for putting together this "package"? Newly promoted COMMANDER Wick.
Our association leadership sold out the department.
and I'll have a cherry lime rickey and a boiled egg
To 9/24/2009 09:58:00 AM
Eggscellent post
What I would like to see the media pick up on is the fact that more than half of the departments middle management will do anything to get out. That speaks volumes to me that on where this department is going. Hang on it's going to be a rough ride.
OT: Anyone hear about districts getting new hours starting next year?
OT: Moprah in the Slum-times commented that a CPD officer "shot and killed a 17 yr old from Dyett School who allegedly pointed a gun at him." Hey Moprah-get the hands off the hips with the attitude in your picture in the paper. It just justifies your "attitude." By the way Moprah-ole boy had just shot a homey 2 blocks away and the "OFF DUTY CHICAGO POLICE OFFICER" chased BOO down and only defended himself when BOO pointed a gun at him. End of story MOPRAH! Also in the b.S. article by Moprah was Skeletor-Monique Bond- AKA Gort-saying "we are still trying to figure out why all these shootings are happening." Skeletor can't even get this shit straight!!!!!!!!!
Off Topic, is it true that a civilian and police officer got into a brawl while working in the medical section that sent the PO to the hospital?
These meritorious sellouts!!!They took the easy way out to look good with their Chinamen but have that wild card still. Its called the "ME TOO CLAUSE", once again riding the backs of the Blue Shirts!
80% of captains were merit sergeants and lieutenants
in 2010 all lt's will be merit picks get off the job if you have less than 10 years
the 10 hour day will require less captains and lieutenants
the bosses that leave won't be replaced da mayor is no dummie
I am a sergeant, 54 years of age and I voted NO. No raise at all when Shortshanks has millions, perhaps a billion dollars or more stashed away in secret accounts? The guy has been mayor for nearly twenty years and he ain't spending his dough on clothing or hygiene products. He's hoarding it like King Midas and he wants more, more, more. More of OUR tax dollars for his private coffers.
THE LT'S AND CAPTAIN SHOULD BE LAUNCHED FROM R SO CALLED UNION THEY R MANAGEMENT!
LET THEM DRAIN THE RESOURCES OF THEIR UNION. LET THE CITY HIRE LAWYERS FOR THEM WHEN THEY GET FEDERAL BEEFS.
9/24/2009 09:32:00 AM
How dumb can U B (sic)? They are not in your union which is FOP Lodge 7. They have their own union.
Idiot.
What idoits!!!!!!!!11
They already make too much money for doing nothing!
So why would they care!
It's us grunts on the front lines everyday who have to do the mule work!
I have scene those assholes watching ballgames all night long on Television, while we struggle with back logs!
I have no sympathy nor respect for any white shirts!
Fuck them all!
OT:
http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.3901/pub_detail.asp
(Suggest you read the entire article)
"Matricula consulars are official identification cards that are issued by the Mexican government through its consular offices. The cards verify that the bearers are Mexican citizens who are living outside of Mexico with the government’s permission."
..........
"After 9/11, Mara Salvatrucha attracted the attention of top al Qaeda officials, who realized that the gang could be used to smuggle operatives and weapons into the United States. An agreement was forged between the terrorists and the gang-bangers.
In exchange for safe passage across the border, al Qaeda – through its cells in South America – agreed to pay the Maras from $30,000 to $50,000 for each sleeper agent they managed to smuggle into the country with bogus matricula consulars."
So....the Chicago Police Department is providing fingerprinting services (free of charge at the 12th District) for Mexican citizens to obtain matricula consular cards, relying only on paperwork provided by the Mexican consulate.
Could this mean the CPD is complicit in terrorist activity??
All these white shirts don't generate any cash for the city. If we get nothing the city will get nothing in return.
If the city settled our contract when they were supposed to, we would have a contract and this would be a non-issue. All the unions except police and fire got a 4% or higher raise year over year. Give us 4% year over year, and I'll gladly take some furlough days, because you will always have that raise. At least all the other unions still keep there pay raises which will be there for the rest of their careers. We are getting screwed both ways, no raise and no furlough days. Daley and his staff do this on purpose every contract but thay always have money for their pet projects. Let the Capt's. and Lt's make all the arrests and write all the tickets then. SCREW THIS CITY!!!!!!
I am a sergeant and I voted no for the contract offer. The contract they offered us was ridiculous. It gave us nothing. I wish we were in one union which would give us great bargaining position. To bad NOLAN was such a prick and would not let supervisors in.
Lt's are supposed to be leaders not followers, it appears some Lt's are going the way of a lot of exempts, "let me worry about myself, and the rest be dammed"
That is one lie. Look at the current group of LTS. White shirts with no balls or backbone. They want a raise but are afraid to fight for a rasie. They hide behind FOP and blue shirts. We are leaderless again. Stick those leadership classes up your ass. All a waste of time. Actions speak louder than words.
I'M SHOCKED.....SHOCKED I TELL YOU ...TO HEAR THAT THE LIEUTENANTS AND CAPTAINS ARE WEAK KNEED JELLYFISH!!!!!!!!!!!!
Correct again SCC. The Lts. vote will be used by the city during arbitration with FOP. They do this sort of thing all the time with smaller unions at contract time and then use it as precedent in arbitration with larger unions.
This deal on health care was a classic union busting move on the part of the city.
Very bad mistake on the part of the 109 "yes" votes. The saddest thing is that maybe 80-90 of them didn't even bother to vote. Disgusting.
This Sgt. voted "No" and can only hope that a mjority will do likewise.
4570 days to retirement...
12.5 years??? Nice try troll
O/T HEY SCC, TELL EVERYONE ABOUT THE TWO FEMALES AT THE MEDICAL SECTION WHO LOCKED HORNS AND ONE ENDED UP CALLING A 10-1 YESTERDAY.
U KNOW WHY WE R GOING TO RECEIVE A SHIT CONTRACT?
DA MAYOR ASK 4 VOLUNTEERS FOR THE PITT OFFER LITTLE OT AND A MOTEL ROOM AND BOOM!
LIKE WELFARE MOMS LOOKING 4 CHEESE, OFFICERS LINE UP FOR THE GRAVY TRAIN!
WATCH OBAMAS HOUSE BAM ONLY A SELECT FEW!
WORK THE AIRPORT POW ONLY ONCE A MONTH FORGET ABOUT SENIORITY.
TRY AND EARN OT FOR A MARATHON AND KABLAMMO NO DICKS ALLOWED!
ALOT BOYS AND GIRL YELL ABOUT OBAMA THIS AND DALEY THAT BUT IF A LITTLE LOOSE CHANGE IS THROWN AROUND WATCH OUT OFFICERS ARE LINING UP.
SO WHEN THE FLOP SELLS U OUT AND WHEN THE GOLDSTARS BURN UP THEIR PRIMO SPOTS REMEMBER WHAT U DID.
THEY R BREAKING R CONTRACT LEFT AND RIGHT SO DONT BITCH WHEN VOUCHERS APPEAR / WHEN THE CITY ONLY OFFER OVERTIME AT 18$ HR
/ FORCING U TO CASH IN COMP TIME/
POWER TEST FOR TACT TEAMS OR ANY KIND OF MOVE OUT OF PATROL/
SCC YOU MAY BE ABLE TO PHRASE IT BETTER SO R BROTHERS STARVING 4 CASH C THE BIG PICTURE
I'm a Sgt, Age 58, 28.5yrs on the job: I voted "No".
Hope the majority of the Sgts voted the same.
THANKS A FUCKING LOT YOU BUNCH OF BASTARDS!!!
Fuck them they make enough money already. Where the hell do 210 Lts hide?
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J-Fed at outdoor roll call
Eggs fly and he flees
9/24/2009 09:58:00 AM
Whatever, Mr. Haiku Rookie. Try to match this one!
Captains Lieutenants
negotiate your own deal
fuck your "me too" clause!
Thank you.
Nah, how about this winner of a haiku:
Commander O'Neill
Debbie Kirby Jody Weis
assholes idiots
Oh, SNAP!
Haiku contest, anyone?
results of captain were expected
100% political merit appointed
lieutenants 30% merit appointment
20% in political assignments
5% over 55
prediction in the future lt's will be 100% merit
good luck to young sergeants that passed the test for lt and were passed over by merit picks
I hope he does not build one in Scottsdale, Arizona.
I live here.
old retired guy
4570 days to retirement...
I hope you make it without cracking up
Lt. by test score and I voted NO. All these old F&%KS that voted for this POS contract better put their PARS in and retire right now. They sold us all out, Lts, Sgts, and POs. Lets see how many of these sellouts even admit to voting yes. I only found one Lt saying SHE was going to vote yes before they counted up the ballots (not counting that hack president). I got 54,928 hrs left on this job and I can't even imagine how bad it is going to be before I go. Thanks a lot you selfish PR#@KS.
Yes, there ARE a few Supervisors by Examination left, but most are leaving SOON.
The smart thing to do is have the F.O.P. not ask for a pay raise. Instead, ask for some other type of benefit from the city that would be equivalent to a 4-5% pay raise each year. The city would still come out ahead since they wouldn't be giving any pay increase for the lt's and capt's. And the best part is we stick it to the lt's and capt's. They have sold us out. They want us to pay for their pay raise. They have not given any money to the F.O.P. to pay for the arbitration. The city wanted to split the police unions up, so be it. The lt's and capt's showed their true colors.
If the lt and capt contract is anything close to the sgt one, it is garbage. Take away the retirement package and their is not one good thing in it.
Residency!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Voted yes for the contarct. Have served since 1978 and am looking forward to getting out and enjoying what's left of a pension. The way I figure it is, "If it's meant to be, It's meant to be." If it doesn't pass- well I'll leave anyway. Me Too Clause- If the arbritrator decides to fuck everyone,CPD, CFD etc; We all lose. Don't give up a precidenting opportunity to escape early. You may get that big screen tv now but you'll pay up to 100K in the long run.
Salty Old Fu*k
I'm a Sgt, Age 58, 28.5yrs on the job: I voted "No".
Hope the majority of the Sgts voted the same.
Good for you. Now enjoy the extra 32K you'll probably have to pay for health insurance once you retire. Enjoy the 50 inch plasma you get today. It'll be broke by the time you have to borrow money to pay for you and your wifes health insurance. I know you're a standup guy that every blue shirt loves and can't get enough of.
Damn, I still have 1000 days left on this job!!! But whose counting...LOL
(OT) Yea mayor dumbfuck we are ready for terror cameras yes thats the ticket! http://cbs3.com/local/SEPTA.Broad.Street.2.1206878.html
Voted yes for the contarct. Have served since 1978 and am looking forward to getting out and enjoying what's left of a pension. The way I figure it is, "If it's meant to be, It's meant to be." If it doesn't pass- well I'll leave anyway. Me Too Clause- If the arbritrator decides to fuck everyone,CPD, CFD etc; We all lose. Don't give up a precidenting opportunity to escape early. You may get that big screen tv now but you'll pay up to 100K in the long run.
Salty Old Fu*k
This comment is exactly why this department sucks, because the Salty Old Fu@ks are so self indulged and do not give a shit about any one but themselves. Just like the Captains did back in the 90's. Nothing more then simple greed and selfishness. This department is in some serious trouble because of sell-outs and selfish greedy ego-maniacs.
WASHINGTON, Sept 24 (Reuters) - An Illinois man was ordered held on Thursday on charges he tried to blow up a federal building in the state capital, a case unrelated to the New York terrorism plot.
Michael Finton, also known as Talib Islam, was arrested in Springfield, Illinois, and charged with attempted murder of federal officers or employees and trying to use a weapon of mass destruction, charges that carry a life sentence.
Illinois man charged in plot to bomb federal offices
What application number are we on for 55 plus?
Anonymous said...
if it means anything, I voted "no" on the sgt's contract. How could anyone vote "yes".
9/24/2009 11:20:00 AM
Ditto
I hope he does not build one in Scottsdale, Arizona.
I live here.
old retired guy
9/24/2009 09:51:00 PM
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I don't think he golfs, so you're safe. We know where you spend most of your time!
80% of captains were merit sergeants and lieutenants
in 2010 all lt's will be merit picks get off the job if you have less than 10 years
the 10 hour day will require less captains and lieutenants
the bosses that leave won't be replaced da mayor is no dummie
9/24/2009 06:34:00 PM
Thats an interesting stat about the 80% of Captains being previously meritorious. Seriously is that a guess or did you actually look at each individual and take an educated guess with each name? I am not being sarcastic either. 80% is high but you may be right.
I disagree about the Lts becoming an appointed position. Just don't think it will happen.
No wonder nobody respects these white shirts. They don't even have the balls to stand up for themselves. What a bunch of p*ssies.
I'm a Sgt, Age 58, 28.5yrs on the job: I voted "No".
Hope the majority of the Sgts voted the same.
Good for you. Now enjoy the extra 32K you'll probably have to pay for health insurance once you retire. Enjoy the 50 inch plasma you get today. It'll be broke by the time you have to borrow money to pay for you and your wifes health insurance. I know you're a standup guy that every blue shirt loves and can't get enough of.
9/24/2009 10:48:00 PM
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I have just under two years to go to max out, but I may not wait that long. I don't have a wife. I have no mad desire for a fifty inch plasma, so I'm not too worried about shelf-life. I'll have age this year.
The city wants the expensive help to go; the fifty-five coverage will not disappear regardless of the contract outcome, so I voted not to sell out everyone who comes behind me.
I voted no. The city WANTS each union to tie into the FOP arbitration decision. They're gambling FOP will get very little and they'd rather put their money and effort into fighting ONE arbitration battle, rather than THREE.
They moved to divide and conquer. And they did.
Sure hope we sergeants aren't the short-sighted, self-centered mushes that half the lieutenants and captains have proven to be.
What's that phrase? "BE the change you'd like to see in the world." Oh, and that other one, "Do unto others as you would have done to you."
Retire Me Please said...
What application number are we on for 55 plus?
9/24/2009 11:26:00 PM
90 in total does not look good!
Section 21.3 Uniform Allowance
B. Subject to available funding, during calendar year 2009 and each calendar year
thereafter, the Employer shall issue to each Sergeant a voucher that shall be used to purchase
uniforms and personal equipment items which are identified by the Superintendent in
accordance with the Department’s Uniforms and Personal Equipment Program and which are
not currently possessed by the Sergeant.
Subject to available funding. As in it won't be available. It also sets up the city to eliminate the uniform money or at least not increase it in future contracts since there is a voucher.
ARTICLE 25A
OPTICAL COVERAGE (deleted)
PHYSICAL FITNESS PROGRAM
The Employer shall provide all Sergeants and each of their dependents with an optical
plan, the cost to be borne by the Employer. Each year, for each Sergeant and for each
dependent, the Plan shall provide payment, with no deductible provision, in accord with the
following schedule: for optical examination, $25.00; for corrective lenses, $15.00 for each lens;
or, for bifocal lenses, $20.00 for each lens: or for trifocal lenses, $30.00 for each lens; and,
when necessary for eyeglass frames, $30.00 per pair; or, for contact lenses, $25.00 for each
lens. This benefit shall terminate on January 1, 2006.
(Fitness Plan-mandatory and no payment also no mention of penalty if you don't pass)
Effective upon ratification, any newly promoted Sergeant shall participate in the physical
fitness program set forth in Appendix O. All other Sergeants may elect to participate in the
physical fitness program and may withdraw from the program at any time without sanction or
discipline.
the american idol said...
O/T HEY SCC, TELL EVERYONE ABOUT THE TWO FEMALES AT THE MEDICAL SECTION WHO LOCKED HORNS AND ONE ENDED UP CALLING A 10-1 YESTERDAY.
9/24/2009 08:07:00 PM
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I heard about it here but am waiting to hear who in the bulding responded? Or did they just fight until the 002nd district personnel got there???
Re: Resignations and Retirements While Under Investigation
Dear Mr. Gittler:
This letter confirms the City’s representations during negotiations regarding the
credentials to be afforded to a Sergeant who resigns or retires from the Department while the
subject of an ongoing Complaint Register investigation.
In accordance with current policy, the Superintendent has the discretion to decide
whether the Sergeant’s personnel file should state that the Sergeant resigned or retired “while
under investigation” based on the totality of the circumstances surrounding the investigation,
including, but not limited to, the likelihood that the investigation will result in a sustained
finding accompanied by a recommendation for a substantial disciplinary penalty, the possibility
that the investigation may result in the decertification of a Sergeant as a peace officer and/or the
extent to which the Sergeant has cooperated in the investigation both before and after his/her
separation from employment. This same standard also governs whether the Sergeant will
receive full retirement credentials or any other post-employment honorary benefits and
emoluments.
In the event that Unit 156-Sergeants or the Sergeant disagrees with the Superintendent’s
decision, either party may file a grievance pursuant to Section 9.2 of the Agreement or submit
the grievance to mediation, but the grievance shall not be subject to arbitration.
Try and get a job after retirement with that in your file. They have already opened old cr#'s and this is the next step.
The Lt's got (copied from city's offer to sgt's)
1. The ability to bid quarterly with 3 choices. Before they had to wait till a new class came out or 2spots opened in a district and only one choice. In other words forever.
Too few bid spots, none in detective, narcotics, etc.
2. Uniform vouchers in addition to the allowance for any new required clothing or equipment.
If funds are available. Opens door to eliminating uniform pay or at least not increasing the pay.
3. The ability to retire at age 55 with full medical.
Can be taken away at anytime if any other government health plan becomes available.
4. The option to opt out of the power test at any time.
If you are already are a sgt. All new sgt's have to take yearly test without pay. No mention penalty if you don't pass.
5. A me too clause with the FOP and Fire Fighters union pertaining to raises.
They did not get that much but they did get something.
What they got was shit and plenty of it. I'd tell you to get get your eyes checked but you no longer have optical coverage (Article 25A) and you have no pay raise to pay for it.
looking at the numbers:
60 total captains
210 total liutenants
small numbers, yet HUGE responsiblity, power, closest contact to daily patrol officer...they represent approval of arrests, investigation to trr, backbone to patrol...how sad that in the end their vote reflects 'their nothingess'
4570 days to retirement...
12.5 years??? Nice try troll
9/24/2009 07:56:00 PM
he was being sarcastic counting that many days you fool!!!
"Good for you. Now enjoy the extra 32K you'll probably have to pay for health insurance once you retire. Enjoy the 50 inch plasma you get today. It'll be broke by the time you have to borrow money to pay for you and your wifes health insurance. I know you're a standup guy that every blue shirt loves and can't get enough of.
9/24/2009 10:48:00 PM"
What's the matter, having a rough time getting used to menopause?
Anonymous said...
4570 days to retirement...
9/24/2009 10:07:00 PM
1460 for me, of which, 730 can be spent recuperating from various ailments.
I'm sorry but...what else do we have left but self-interest! Haven't you been paying attention? Its every man and woman for themselves! Do you blame us??
Until cops begin to look out for each other all the time, we will never be taken serious and the city will continue to shit on us. Not to mention the capts and Lts and Sgts should all be part of The FOP that way the city can not play these bs games they play with the clouted up ones. Of course the capts and Lts will agree to any thing the city says because they want to keep their little spot.
*****
White shirts went to the FOP. Nolan refused to allow a seperate Bargining Unit for supervisors even after the National and State Lodge agreeed to allow a second unit within the city.
Nolan thought white shirts would have no where else to turn and just roll over and join FOP.
Remember, the City demanded the upcoming arbitration for wages. Maybe you want the Captains and Lieutenants to negotiate your raises as once one arbitrator rules, the others usually follow with the same percentages.
Think about it.
Thanks...Boss !!!!!
:(
( always looking out for the Blue Shirts )
______________________________
You're welcome.
The smart thing to do is have the F.O.P. not ask for a pay raise. Instead, ask for some other type of benefit from the city that would be equivalent to a 4-5% pay raise each year.
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Hey Pal, If you think the FOP can get you a 4-5% raise, you are nuts. NOBODY in the public sector is getting anywhere near that kind of raise. MOST are making concessions and getting LESS income. Quit with the pie in the sky crap. Get real.
maybe we can get sarah palin to get j-fed some nice property on the tundra to build his dream home... why would you build a home in arizona with all the empty housing stock available there at good prices... could j-fed be out of dodge at 1159 hrs on 2 oct 2009--- we can only hope and pray-- word has it that j-fed has been in his office working out on his bowflex and trying to balance an egg in an upright position on his desk--- bye bye biotch, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out---
Fuck that I at least want 15.5 over 4 yrs
9/24/2009 11:18:00 AM
Sure, and I want to feed 5,000 people with a couple of fish and three loaves of bread. Then, for an encore, I'll turn water into wine. Come back down to earth and take a look at what is going on around the country.
If all of you have so much to bitch about then get up of your asses and do something to change it. After discussing with my non-merit Lt husband we decided to vote a big fat NO on this contract. As a wife with children & married to this life for 24 years I have repeatedly said your unions suck. They give up more than they get they don't have your back. I truly wonder how many of you complainers actually looked at any one of the contracts before voting. I bet it would be pretty close to the 50% that voted yes without knowledge. If you are concerned about Obamacare get on line do your homework start demanding your politicians to do whats right. You do not have to keep voting them back in but I guess 50% of you complainers will. So now who sold who out!!!!!!
So now you are telling me that the sgts who voted no are doing it because they are concerned with sgts of the future. What a crock of shit. Anyone who votes either way is doing it for their own reasons. Looking out for the next guy my ass. I wish it was that way, but it's not.
You sanctimonious jagoffs want to look out for the future? Try this. Stop voting for Daley and all of the other crooks who get elected around here. Here's a bulletin: no Daley, no contract hassles. Wake the fuck up.
I voted no because I want to see a money number. Don't want to get caught drinking? Put the bottle down. Don't like a fitness test? People on here have been bitching about out of shape coppers since this blog opened. Shape the fuck up.
But please, stop with the "I did it for you guys" routine. That is so phony it makes me sick.
The City and FLOP met Tuesday. The arbitrator was to be there. But try to find that info on FLOP's web site. Rich Aguilar must be too busy in front of a mirror to post the update. I guess that he and Sid must be too busy taking long lunches to keep us in the loop!
YOU SOULD HAVE SEEN THE CAPT. BARN-ASS TRING TO PUT OUT THE FIRE BETWEEN THE TWO FEMALES FIGHTING IN HIS OFFICE, WAHT A SIGHT...
don't do a thing for these capt's or lt's.. let them go out there and write tickets and parkers..
How about an informational march the at the next Police Entance Exam, explaining to the applicants what they are in for. A "This isn't your daddy's department anymore" kinda thing. If they still wanna get screwed by the city, at least be a firefighter so you only work 80 days out the year. What would shortshanks do when NO ONE tests and people are leaving in droves?
"Your dog will have access to better heath care than you and I."
MY DOG ALREADY HAS BETTER ACCESS TO HEALTH CARE. SO WHAT EXACTLY IS YOUR F'NG POINT? OTHER THAN THE ONE ON TOP OF YOUR HEAD?
4570 days to retirement...
12.5 years??? Nice try troll
Just having turned 42 with 18yrs on, i have 12.5 years to go before I will be 55.
Sorry another college educated guy/girl that is not as smart as they think they are...
Just a thought.....
I know everyone knocks "merit"
I don't 100% agree that the "old way" was the proper way to promote...(my kid, my driver, the "hot chick", my lover, the politicians kid or guy or gal, etc. etc.)
However no matter what you all say ther are A LOT of screw balls that "ACED" the test too that we are STUCK with!
So just because someone tests well doesn't mean they are suited to be a SGT. LT. or CPT.
Something had to be done different...taking those tests sucked anyways and the SCAM study groups were $$$$ makers for some too.....
Who knows....
There was reason behind my fathers decision not to join the Captains Association years ago, and apathy was never a factor. In the days before contracts and bargaining units the Captains Assoc. would hold a meeting so members could vote on critical matters such as raises, etc. Ol' Man Daley would then order all of his exempts who were career service captains to attend the meeting to ensure they voted against the membership for the City's position thereby diluting the voting strength of the non-exempt captains. Afterward, the head of the association was invariably soon made exempt himself (Jimmy Phelan, Harry Tannehill, et al)! Don't think for a minute the same dynamic is not at work now with the appointed captains and merit promotee's through out the ranks.
I guess I don't see the problem. If I understand the situation, they just agreed to accept whatever the beat cops get.
Thats seems like a very reasonable thing to do.
The Lt's got
1. The ability to bid quarterly with 3 choices. Before they had to wait till a new class came out or 2spots opened in a district and only one choice. In other words forever.
2. Uniform vouchers in addition to the allowance for any new required clothing or equipment.
3. The ability to retire at age 55 with full medical.
4. The option to opt out of the power test at any time.
5. A me too clause with the FOP and Fire Fighters union pertaining to raises.
They did not get that much but they did get something.
9/24/2009 03:04:00 PM
You think this is getting something? LOL!!!!!! What a fucking joke!! They got shit and all they did was sell out the other guys who have yet to settle their contract. This is going to make it that much harder for the police and fire to negotiate anything and the arbitrators will use this against us.
I am so sick and tired of these detectives crying about that they can’t work the marathon or seniority doesn’t matter for anything…… F… OFF..
If you had to answer a radio or work a beat car you would have been gone years ago. Instead you answer the phones and make coffee and go to Costco with the city car and the city gas and make sure that the “Candy store” is fully
stocked.
The F.O.P should throw out all the detectives. Patrolmen should be the only ones in the F.O.P. I like Greg Bella a lot but I am sorry, I will never vote for a Detective again for any spot at F.O.P. Patrolmen better wake up…
Kevin Jans that doesn’t mean I am voting for you, I’ll just skip that office on my ballot!!!
Fuck the Lt's. Talk about waste. They are the most overpaid bunch of cry babies in the dep't. They don't need a raise with their base pay,uniform allowance and supervisors quarterly which is $6000/yr alone they don't need a raise. What supervision do they do? Come around 20 mins a day and give you their stupid speeches,pep talks or threats to push for more activity then disappear out to lunch or into their offices to eat play on the net or watch tv. Some of the lazy fucks won't even drive themselves instead they grab a P.O. from the desk.
To top it off they are given 200 hours of comp time a year for nothing. Which they have no trouble selling back each year for another $8000 considering they are constantly ducking out early or changing their days off to avoid burning time. How about a Supervisors Integrity Unit to make sure they are at work while being paid? Remember you peon p.o.'s more arrests parkers movers contact cards traffic stops! Clear from those jobs quickly get those lunches in early.You were 8 mins late for roll call !!!!Hurry up get your radio and hit the streets I want quiet so I can concentrate on reading my menu. Most of these dopes wouldn't make half of what they make in the private sector.
hey make it 20yrs and out.if you think we have 7600 police on the street now,wait till the city and fop get done with us.
You have to give out the info of the 2 f po's fighting at the medical section Must be an interesting story
Subject to available funding. As in it won't be available. It also sets up the city to eliminate the uniform money or at least not increase it in future contracts since there is a voucher.
learn how to read, items not currently possessed, which means first issue by the department...
To all the idiots salivating at the 55 and out. Its also a BENEFIT to the city. They were not going to take it out. So lets bargain for an item the city also wants. I would be willing to bet most of the ones who voted for it are the same ones who couldnt pass the test in the first place.
I wouldn't vote for a contract just to help the captains or lieutenants, so why does it surprise anyone here that they screwed us over for their own interests?
I used to think the average cop was smarter than any boss this shitty had to offer. These comments are changing my mind.
I'm an Lt by test score NOT merit, and I voted "NO". I don't know any Lt. that voted "YES".
101 of us voted NO.
Say whatever you want - and you will, but that's a whole lotta Lt's doing the right thing. I don't want those who voted "yes" or who didn't have the brains/balls to vote to retire. I want them to have to work in this shit they helped create by ratifying this bullshit. God help the jagoffs that didn't vote, I'd like to know who they were...
SERGEANTS BEWARE - THINK - THEN VOTE NO!!!
4570 days to retirement...
12.5 years??? Nice try troll
Just having turned 42 with 18yrs on, i have 12.5 years to go before I will be 55.
Sorry another college educated guy/girl that is not as smart as they think they are...
9/25/2009 12:21:00 PM
Sorry to burst your bubble but could be true. There is a Lt in 007 with 12.5 years on who may only need 12.5 years too go. H e will be 50 with 25 years on so maybe he wants to leave this fucking job then.
Anonymous said...
Fuck the Lt's. Talk about waste. They are the most overpaid bunch of cry babies in the dep't. They don't need a raise with their base pay,uniform allowance and supervisors quarterly which is $6000/yr alone they don't need a raise. What supervision do they do? Come around 20 mins a day and give you their stupid speeches,pep talks or threats to push for more activity then disappear out to lunch or into their offices to eat play on the net or watch tv. Some of the lazy fucks won't even drive themselves instead they grab a P.O. from the desk.
To top it off they are given 200 hours of comp time a year for nothing. Which they have no trouble selling back each year for another $8000 considering they are constantly ducking out early or changing their days off to avoid burning time. How about a Supervisors Integrity Unit to make sure they are at work while being paid? Remember you peon p.o.'s more arrests parkers movers contact cards traffic stops! Clear from those jobs quickly get those lunches in early.You were 8 mins late for roll call !!!!Hurry up get your radio and hit the streets I want quiet so I can concentrate on reading my menu. Most of these dopes wouldn't make half of what they make in the private sector.
9/25/2009 01:35:00 PM
Why do you think they voted yes idiot. They already got it made.
Well we all know what a self-centered crook Nolan was. I am still shocked that he was not indicted. He gave everything away.
It doesn't really matter how we vote because each and every bargaining unit has people in charge who are only trying to better themselves. The people handling the bargaining with city are all just yes men and are promised a good deal when they leave the union.
The F.O.P should throw out all the detectives. Patrolmen should be the only ones in the F.O.P. I like Greg Bella a lot but I am sorry, I will never vote for a Detective again for any spot at F.O.P. Patrolmen better wake up…
Kevin Jans that doesn’t mean I am voting for you, I’ll just skip that office on my ballot!!!
9/25/2009 01:12:00 PM
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You should hope to get these two choices -- PO or DET. With our voter turnout, we'll get a retiree.
Let's keep the Dets to pad the count.
"After discussing with my non-merit Lt husband we decided to vote a big fat NO on this contract."
THAT'S CLASSIC. WE KNOW WHO WEARS THE PANTS IN THAT FAMILY. BWAAHHHH!!!
Subject to available funding. As in it won't be available. It also sets up the city to eliminate the uniform money or at least not increase it in future contracts since there is a voucher.
learn how to read, items not currently possessed, which means first issue by the department...
9/25/2009 03:42:00
I can. The uniform money will not increase. There is voucher system in place. The next step for the next contract is to modify the system to allow the vouchers to be used for all uniform items and not increase the uniform money. Think long term like the city before you criticize. $1800 in 10, 20, 30 years is nothing. The union gives the city an inch and they will take a mile.
Remember, we're on the same side brother.
The smart thing to do is have the F.O.P. not ask for a pay raise. Instead, ask for some other type of benefit from the city that would be equivalent to a 4-5% pay raise each year.
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Hey Pal, If you think the FOP can get you a 4-5% raise, you are nuts. NOBODY in the public sector is getting anywhere near that kind of raise. MOST are making concessions and getting LESS income. Quit with the pie in the sky crap. Get real.
9/25/2009 08:28:00 AM
Right back at you Pal, read it again. I wrote the equivalent of a 4-5% pay raise each year that would not include the capt's and lt's. The city would save money by giving no increase to anyone. The idea is they would give some other type of benefit only to F.O.P. members.
We are on the same side. If the city cries poor, then use it to our advantage.
I am so sick and tired of these detectives crying about that they can’t work the marathon or seniority doesn’t matter for anything…… F… OFF..
If you had to answer a radio or work a beat car you would have been gone years ago. Instead you answer the phones and make coffee...
I am a detective and what you say is true. However, the main problem is not the detectives. The problem is the union just allowed the city to violate seniority, whether you are D1, D2, or D2A. The city says it will save money by using only D1. What the city should have said is we want to give incentives to district law enforcement officers. Which is needed.
"After discussing with my non-merit Lt husband we decided to vote a big fat NO on this contract."
THAT'S CLASSIC. WE KNOW WHO WEARS THE PANTS IN THAT FAMILY. BWAAHHHH!!!
9/25/2009 11:59:00 PM
That would be a family decision. By your post I am going to go out on a limb and guess that you don't have one and never will. On the odd chance that you are married, she is either cheating on you or wants to.
Wow, am I in a bad mood today. Okay, sorry, but please lay off the caps.
I'm a Sgt, Age 37, 12.5yrs on the job: I voted "Yes".
Hope the majority of the clouted Sgts voted the same.
someone who tests well is someone that prepared hours everyday to overcome the secret study group and merit promotions
don't worry brylcreme kids all lts will be selected like the captains
only the best need apply - merit
and sgts 30% merit , secret study groups , good lookin females, etc
most sgt are young and won't be many leaving in the near future
good luck because when you reach 50 the pension fund will be broke
Hey SCC, i just have one question has ur site covered hiring lately..We have not had a test since nov 06, and there were only 46 new hires this year.
46 barely covers the first three months of retirements. If we did have a test upcoming there hasn't been a peep about it. Now this is just my guess but from test to boots hitting the streets we are looking at 16 months at the fastest. So even if we get the fed's money does that mean that we still have well qualified canidates? Or do they pull from the qualified list. Heaven help us if they do. I would just like to get some feedback.
"looking at the numbers:
60 total captains
210 total liutenants"
Those are just the lts who voted- last time I checked there were 243 lieutenants...so...according to the Lts website....4 ballots were not honored due to promotions, etc...
210 votes were counted plus 4 not counted = 214....
So 29 lts didn't vote in this and there are eight votes that seperate the totals....if you're one oft he 29 non-voters- you are part of the problem!
Sergants- don't let this happen again! Every vote counts!!!!!
There are no well qualified or qualified on the CPD test. Just passing and everyone is giving a lottery number, then called in order of your lottery number, so all called are equal. In 2006 4 tests were given, the last one in November. Only on the 1st test in February have all the candidates been hired, and they just statred taking candidates from the 2nd test, so after the 2nd test is exhausted, there will be 2 remaining tests. I believe that is why no other tests were given
"After discussing with my non-merit Lt husband we decided to vote a big fat NO on this contract."
I don't know about anyone else, but I am insulted that a spouse is going to make a decision regarding a vote affecting our jobs, future, etc.
Keep your vote to yourself, and if he is smart he is just blowing smoke up your ass and voted the way HE believes.
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