Wednesday, September 16, 2009

Memorial Outrage II

We've been in correspondence with the original letter writer. Extensively. He stands by his story and further states that the offending individual was in fact urinating on the memorial grounds, he identified himself as CPD and he mouthed off as stated.

The on-duty officer is a long time fan of the blog and has read the comments put forth by readers. He has taken the comments to heart and will be filing a formal complaint with the Department shortly. We've asked him to update us.

We've taken out quite a few comments these past 24 hours, most of them threatening physical violence and harm upon the offender, some accusing us all sorts of garbage (but that's normal) and some off-topic posts. We will not be posting any accusations of this officer being a "rat" or other attacks upon him. He has agonized over his actions and frankly, we don't envy his position in the least. We have no idea how we would have reacted if faced with this occurrence. On one hand, you want to inflict the maximum amount of punishment possible. On another hand, there are cameras around and should you act on your initial instincts, you might lose your job for a quasi-criminal offense or serve heavy suspension time. All bets are off in the current political climate.

To all who commented, you have been a useful sounding board. While our path might not be the one you would have chosen, we're the ones who have to live with it. At the moment, we aren't losing sleep over it. Our outrage is your outrage, make no mistake. We've buried more than a few names on that wall, too. But acting rashly serves little purpose and could end a few deserving careers along with the undeserving asshole who masquerades as one of us while pissing on our dead.

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128 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well said.

9/16/2009 12:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was rdo today and took a bike ride along the lakefront. There was a cleaning crew washing down the Memorial. At least it has been cleaned off and pretty quickly. I don't know if it was a regular cleaning day or if someone stepped up and ordered the service early. Either way, its cleaned. At least on the surface and it doesn't remove the outrage.

9/16/2009 12:29:00 AM  
Anonymous NineteenDavid said...

To the PO that was on duty, if you initiate a CR that's cool with me. The POS pisser doesn't deserve any courtesy. He gave no courtesy to our fallen. He is the rat.

9/16/2009 12:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the officer agonizing over a moral quandry.... Don't beat yourself up over getting a cr on this guy... Anyone who blames you for this isn't worth listening to in the first place. Besides, any 'officer' who would literally piss on those who gave their lives for this profession is capable of god knows what else. There are 2 kinds of cops... good and bad. The good are on your side, and the bad shouldn't be here in the first place.

9/16/2009 12:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So, this will all come out. I agree the original officer will take some heat and maybe even some time for not taking action, which is wrong, wrong, wrong.

If he takes time, I hope everybody who was so vehement about the issue remembers him with a small gift (you know; one that's under the mandatory ethics reporting limit).

I figured the offender's name would come out the old-fashioned way, via the stall door, but this is fine, too. I bet we all know of one or two people we figure could be the cretin in question...

9/16/2009 12:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

sad

9/16/2009 12:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In the end, it was a fascinating process to watch unfold, from the anger and outrage to the thoughfulness and circumspection.

I don't know how to weigh a blog, SCC, but this ones worth its weight in gold! Keep it up. We need you.

9/16/2009 01:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SCC, you position is understood and respected.

9/16/2009 01:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It was never explained why the On-Duty Officer didnt call a Supervisor to deal directly with the offending "Officer" in question?

9/16/2009 01:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

FACE FACTS THERE IS NO RESPECT FOR ANYTHING ANYMORE SO WE HIRE THOSE THAT WANT A LIFETIME PAY CHECK AND NOT A LIFE OF SERVICE. THERE ARE NO VALUES ON THIS DEPT. CAN WE EX[ECT THAT WHEN OUR DEAR LEADERS ARE CHOOSEN FOR THE 31 FLAVORS OF POLITICAL SATISFACTION. HOW MANY OF OUR LEADERS HAVE BROKEN THE RULES AND EVEN THE LAW AND STILL ARE WORKING OR COLLECTING A PENSION!!! DO YOURSELF A FAVOR AND CHANNEL YOUR OUTRAGE TO SOMETHING YOU CAN FIX. YOU CANT FIX THIS JOB IT IS gone!!!!-Semper Fi

9/16/2009 02:21:00 AM  
Blogger OLD*6970 said...

LET US HOPE THE ASSHOLE GETS WHAT HE DESERVES...DRUNK OR NOT ANY ONE
INDIVIDUAL MUST BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR
THEIR ACTIONS...

YOU SCC BY HAVING THIS BLOG PROVIDE
A GOOD SERVICE FOR US ALL AND YOU
HAVE HANDLED THIS SITUATION WELL...

I PRAY THERE IS NEVER ANOTHER INCIDENT THAT COMES CLOSE TO THIS ONE...

I HOPE THIS SO CALLED PO,
NEVER FORGETS...

9/16/2009 03:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Checkout Spielman's pension article today. Daley says he's open to moving to a two tiered system or raising the retirement age. He also states he is not open to ending the practice of rehiring select, clout heavy retirees back at other city jobs while on pension.

9/16/2009 03:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Chuck Connors, The Rifleman said...

Good job, my friend. You are doing the right thing.

9/16/2009 04:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How about posting dates when large drunken crowds are expected at soldier field? Maybe then we could plan some picnics at the Memorial and form a human shield.

9/16/2009 05:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Although his actions were unforgivable, one fact remains, coppers don't hurt other coppers. You are turning this officer in to an administration that we do not trust and puts policemen last. By doing this YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM.

9/16/2009 06:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

the political climate of the dept at this time adds to that officer's burden...but remember he just had to witness it he did not do the horrible deed and that's where this all should be at that jerk's feet...

9/16/2009 06:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What makes this situation so disheartening is the candlelight vigil is tomorrow night.

17 Sept 09

1930 hours.

9/16/2009 07:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Although his actions were unforgivable, one fact remains, coppers don't hurt other coppers. You are turning this officer in to an administration that we do not trust and puts policemen last. By doing this YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM.

9/16/2009 06:28:00 AM

He was urinating on the memorial for Police Officers killed in the line of duty. What is the threshold for taking any action with you?

9/16/2009 07:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

01:54 AM

"Why didn't the PO call a supervisor?" HUH? WTF!

You must be a 2 year wonder!

you NEVER call a supervisor, they will do nothing but fuck things up. Be a man and handle it yourself! If you can't make a decision, find a new job.

9/16/2009 07:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Although his actions were unforgivable, one fact remains, coppers don't hurt other coppers. You are turning this officer in to an administration that we do not trust and puts policemen last. By doing this YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM.

9/16/2009 06:28:00 AM


IF YOU ARE TRYING TO ALIGN YOUR SUPPORT AND ALLEGIANCE TO THE PISSING MORON, THEN YOU, AND ALL OTHERS LIKE YOU, HAVE NO HONOR OR RESPECT FOR OUR DEAD HEROES.

FUCK YOU! AND GET THE FUCK OUT OF THIS PROFESSION, YOU ASSHOLE. YOU OBVIOUSLY DO NOT HAVE THE STOMACH FOR IT. REAL MEN DON'T LET ASSHOLES URINATE ON THEIR MEMORIAL.

DO NOT HONOR THE PISSING MORON AS OUR EQUAL! HE DESERVES ALL THE SCORN THAT THIS OR ANY OTHER ADMINISTRATION CAN HEAP ON HIM. HE AND YOU DON'T DESERVE TO SERVE AMONG THE REST OF US!!!!!!!

9/16/2009 07:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Off the topic: I just read in the Sun-Times that Christopher Kelly was given a sedative at Cook County Hospital upon his arrival? Are you kidding me? Give the guy a sedative when he has already injested an unknown amount of unknown narcotics! I'm starting to believe all the theories about his death and the circumstances. They killed that man!

9/16/2009 08:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

car 47 where are you???? why can we have hundreds of barricades blocking the natural traffic flow across columbus avenue from the museum campus (creating a huge possibility of someone getting crushed to death) while leaving our sacred memorial unprotected.

9/16/2009 08:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Although his actions were unforgivable, one fact remains, coppers don't hurt other coppers. You are turning this officer in to an administration that we do not trust and puts policemen last. By doing this YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM.

9/16/2009 06:28:00 AM

Sometimes you have to "MAN" up and answer for your actions.

9/16/2009 08:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This department is a reflection of the society which we police.

A society of instant gratification,self promotion,lack of considertion,lack of patience,lack of self control,and a extreme lack of respect for ones fellow man.

A society that lives off reality shows

A generation that thinks life has a reset button

There is no restart,no do over.

You live by your actions which ultimately gives you your label, YOU are accountable.

That was how it was when I grew up. You can have respect for yourself or what you hold dear without disrespecting others.

The demise of this department is not due to its own existence, its due to the decline of civilization as a whole.

You can feel it

Everybody is a hard ass, everybody wants it all(which is fine) but without earning it.

Everybody wants what they feel is owed them.

No one wants to follow the rules.

Now does that sound like this department or society as a whole?

9/16/2009 08:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Officer, I support you 110%. Go ahead and initiate a CR# against this guy who pissed on our memorial.

For the love of God, this man pissed on our memorial after a concert? AND he was a P.O.?

I am a P.O. and three times in my career I arrested officers for driving under the influence. One was a suburban cop and two were Chicago cops. Sorry, but if you are plastered, then don't fucking drive drunk! They thought they would get "professional courtesy" and were shocked when they didn't.

We are the police. We are not a gang or the mob. If one of us as cops does something totally wrong, then the bad guy is the bad guy, not the good guy who was put in that position.

9/16/2009 08:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the on duty officer: Golden Rule.

9/16/2009 08:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It was never explained why the On-Duty Officer didnt call a Supervisor to deal directly with the offending "Officer" in question?

9/16/2009 01:54:00 AM

__________________

seriously? you're a fucking retard.

9/16/2009 09:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the officer who pissed on our memorial. You might as well out yourself. Do it while you still have a chance.

Go ahead and tell us who you are and sincerely apologize. At least if you do that, then you will save some face and after some initial outrage, people will probably forgive you.

But if you don't out yourself and wait for the CR # to be initiated, THEN YOU REALLY ARE AN ASS HOLE AND THE REST OF MY BROTHERS WILL HAVE ZERO RESPECT FOR YOU.

9/16/2009 09:09:00 AM  
Anonymous 013th District Copper said...

I say the on-duty officer should get a CR# or do something. I would not have had the patience to deal with the POS who pissed on the memorial.

I have never written an off-cuty copper for anything and hopefully the day I have to won't come soon. However, all off-duty officers NEED to show respect for the on-duty officer who is stopping them. Who do they think they are?

Pissing on the memorial and acting like an asshole, I definitely would have written him an ANOV. Maybe even locked his ass up to teach him a lesson!

9/16/2009 09:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Although his actions were unforgivable, one fact remains, coppers don't hurt other coppers. You are turning this officer in to an administration that we do not trust and puts policemen last. By doing this YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM.

9/16/2009 06:28:00 AM

tell me where your loved ones are buried and let me go piss on their headstones. then tell me it's ok because i'm a cop and we don't hurt each other.

9/16/2009 09:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

memorial officer, DO NOT INITIATE CR, you will be opening a can of worms and YOU will be called to task as to why you gave the officer preferential treatment and ticketed others who were committing the same offense.... i can understand your dilemma and i am mad as hell like everyone else but don't put yourself in the trickbag... their are many other ways to "skin a cat".... the disciplinary arm of the cpd has a dislike for getting middled with beefs between patrol officers or station house beefs--- the usual response is to slap everyone with time--- save your time for when you need it, don't let them take it away from you----

9/16/2009 09:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Although his actions were unforgivable, one fact remains, coppers don't hurt other coppers. You are turning this officer in to an administration that we do not trust and puts policemen last. By doing this YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM.

9/16/2009 06:28:00 AM
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He is not a cop. He will never be a cop. He has never been a cop. He is merely an infiltrator to our department. A shithead spying on us and trying to destroy us from within. He is not my brother. And honestly, if you cannot understand that, then neither are you.

Please turn your star and hat shield into your watch commander today. You are not one of us.

9/16/2009 09:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

coppers don't hurt other coppers.
..Sorry but the second the first drop of his urine touched hallowed ground, he ceased to be a copper to me and thus does not deserve to be afforded any consideration from our brotherhood. All of us make mistakes but this goes beyond an act that should be considered as easily forgivable. Just an opinion, and God bless my fellow officers.

9/16/2009 09:55:00 AM  
Anonymous Proud to be the police since 1974 said...

To the onduty copper don't jam yourself up this wanabe copper couldn't be a pimple on a policeman's ass!!! His name will get out and then we can clean our own house like we did in the 70's and 80's!!!

9/16/2009 10:05:00 AM  
Blogger leomemorial said...

I am deeply disgusted.

However I think that perhaps this officer should spend a day with maybe officer mullen.... maybe even a day with the gordon family if these people agree. then maybe, just maybe, they will understand the police memorial.

very SAD

9/16/2009 10:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Was he pissing on the Memorial itself, or was he pissing in the bushes on the grounds? Was he showing disrespect or did he just have to piss really bad and made a stupid decision? Before you nail him to the cross, you may want to check that out. There is a certain mob mentality about this post.

9/16/2009 10:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

017-anyone hear about our capt. barn-ass eating the lunchmeat from the 017 lockup, and its all on video... THAT IS THEFT, CITY PROPERTY... J-FED SHOULD LOOK INTO THIS ONE.... THIS 3RD WATCH CAPT. IS SOMETHING ELSE, AUNT "B"... WAIT TILL THE PAPER ON HIM STARTS..

9/16/2009 10:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How about posting dates when large drunken crowds are expected at soldier field? Maybe then we could plan some picnics at the Memorial and form a human shield.

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Good idea, my partner an I will be there with our families.

9/16/2009 10:37:00 AM  
Anonymous OLPD said...

I have volunteered my time to work the wake details at Blake & Lamb for fallen CPD & CFD on far too many occasions... It's a matter of RESPECT for myself & the other OLPD Officers that volunteer...

When I read the story I felt like I had been kicked in the stomach !!

I may not be CPD (my father was for 37 yrs)but I still mourn the loss of our Brothers & Sisters as if they were our own, because in fact THEY ARE ! WE are ALL connected by the BADGE !

I was incensed to learn that civilians were disrespecting the Memorial, but when I found out a PO, CPD no less was too...... well I commend the on duty PO for his self control......

2 things you don't do on this job - You NEVER disprespect the UNIFORM, & you NEVER EVER DISPRESPECT OUR FALLEN OFFICERS !!!

This so called PO deserves to be fired !!! Ask yourself this - would you allow anyone to do this on the grave of one of your loved ones....????

9/16/2009 10:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anyone that talks badly about the P.O. initiating the C.R. is an idiot.

9/16/2009 10:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Pisser is no CPD. He's a POS with a badge. F HIM !!!!!

I hope you read this

F U !

9/16/2009 10:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was amazed by the hordes that demanded revelation and placed the responsibility on SCC. Charging into the fray without thinking.

To the witness officer. Just like everything else we do, you made a split second decision. You confronted him, you shamed him and you let him know you got his name. Then you decided to 19-P. I'm fine with that. His name would have gotten out eventually, slowly, by word of mouth.

But then you doubted yourself. Yes, the pisser's a douche. There's a lot more out there among us. You shine a spotlight on it thru SCC. Frankly, I smelled a rat and thought the story was a plant. But apparently you check out.

Making an issue out of it now through our friends running this dog and pony show is going to bite you back, probably just as bad as the pisser.

Stick with your decisions. If you feel differently later, learn from it. Don't let the mob run you.

9/16/2009 11:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Although his actions were unforgivable, one fact remains, coppers don't hurt other coppers...

9/16/2009 06:28:00 AM


Since when? 1995? Is that something that came thru after the INFAMOUS SPITBALL CLASS of '94? or at least certain members of that class???
We're all BLUE? PLEASE, SPARE ME THE BLUE WALL BULLSHT...
It is OBVIOUS there are DIFFERENT shades of BLUE.

Not one of us has the BALLS or OVARIES to admit it.

9/16/2009 11:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

this is Conduct Unbecoming of a CPD officer. Give this mope a good stiff suspension, and when he misses his paycheck for a few weeks, maybe he will think twice about engaging in this type of conduct again.....

9/16/2009 11:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let's show our support for all those brothers and sisters in blue that made the "Ultimate Sacrifice" OUR support. Attend this years Candlelight Vigil at OUR memorial, Thursday, Sept. 17th, 1930 hrs.
Bring the family.You may also bring your own lawn chairs or blankets to accommodate the family or toddlers.
For those that are working or otherwise truly unable to attend, keep the 540 members on the memorial wall in your heart, thoughts and prayers. Stay Safe.
O'v (r)

9/16/2009 11:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The worst thing about turning him and filing a complaint is that this department could never dish out a punishment to fit the crime. I'm not advocating violence, trust me, but how many times have we seen disgraceful officers get their jobs back time after time?

This department is rotten to the core.

9/16/2009 11:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

It was never explained why the On-Duty Officer didnt call a Supervisor to deal directly with the offending "Officer" in question?

9/16/2009 01:54:00 AM

If it has to be explained then you wouldn't understand... there is a reason it is a MORAL quandry..

9/16/2009 11:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's truely disgusting that one of are own would piss on his fallen comrades, but it's not like we don't have a small percent of police officers who don't belong on this job.
We have and had criminals since policing began. Every profession has it's crap.
It is for reasons like this I was never for a memorial. There will be more incidents just like there will be more names added to the wall. This is fact.
Should the Officer give up this piece of shit? I don't know. I do know I probably would of hit him being my fathers name is on that wall.
Gold Star Family Member.

9/16/2009 11:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Although his actions were unforgivable, one fact remains, coppers don't hurt other coppers. You are turning this officer in to an administration that we do not trust and puts policemen last. By doing this YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM.

9/16/2009 06:28:00 AM

Yeah, ok, let's protect a guy who is pissing on our graves. Im sick of people like him and YOU... not having the balls to do the right thing.

9/16/2009 11:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey men and women of the CPD. I am retired 14 years, still work ful time and have Wednesday's off. As a retiree If necessary I will stand by the Hallowed Ground of Heroes from 8pm to 8am Tues/Wed to guard the Memorial. If any retiree would like to assist me just post it here.

9/16/2009 12:17:00 PM  
Anonymous RepublicanCowboy said...

Hey 0628..........YOUR AN ASSHOLE. I really don't feel like wasting my time going into detail, but I will. You are a piece of shit, as bad, maybe worse than that drunken fucking jagoff. It is people of your nature that have fucked this job and handed it to the weak liberal fucks. Professional courtesy and the thin blue line only applies to PROFESSIONALS. No Assholes Need Apply.

9/16/2009 12:19:00 PM  
Blogger John said...

How about if he is an alcoholic? No excuse but.
When I was on the job I took 3 different POs to check in at Lutheran General. 2 of them did ok, the third was fired.

If some the younger POs get some time on the job, they will run into this.

Just something to consider

old retired guy

9/16/2009 12:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SCC:
Your comments and the exchange (good and bad) that resulted from this negative situation, in my mind will lead to a proper resolution.

This was probably the most productive blog from SCC that I've ever read. I would love to see the blog utilized more in this way than in tearing people apart and fueling fires that should have never started. Good one SCC.

9/16/2009 12:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To those who say te administration over reacts, etc. Well, in this case, let them. They can be useful idiots.

The pisser is lucky. A few more PO's around at the time and he might have ended up in the lake. I wouldn't condone that, but I would sure as hell enjoy seeing it happen.

9/16/2009 12:37:00 PM  
Anonymous uuuuuuuright said...

"Why didn't the PO call a supervisor?" HUH? WTF!

You must be a 2 year wonder!

you NEVER call a supervisor, they will do nothing but fuck things up. Be a man and handle it yourself! If you can't make a decision, find a new job.
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Well said. I thought the same thing when I read it. Maybe he is a supervisor. The agreement between officers and supervisors used to be never ever call me and I won't call you. Sadly those days are gone.Today's supervisor want's to be "invoved" much like todays "hoverparents" a real bunch of goofs.

9/16/2009 12:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I will back the on-duty officer 100% for doing this, if he gets suspended I will be the first one to come for his benefits. This is the right things to do. Get rid of some the the few bad cops that tarnish our name. And for the off-duty "officer" I just hope you find another job or just be a bum I don't even care. You are not one of us so you better find a place where you belong. From today on, I don't think you will last any longer, so save yourself and resign.

9/16/2009 12:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Although his actions were unforgivable, one fact remains, coppers don't hurt other coppers. You are turning this officer in to an administration that we do not trust and puts policemen last. By doing this YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM.

9/16/2009 06:28:00 AM


IF YOU ARE TRYING TO ALIGN YOUR SUPPORT AND ALLEGIANCE TO THE PISSING MORON, THEN YOU, AND ALL OTHERS LIKE YOU, HAVE NO HONOR OR RESPECT FOR OUR DEAD HEROES.

FUCK YOU! AND GET THE FUCK OUT OF THIS PROFESSION, YOU ASSHOLE. YOU OBVIOUSLY DO NOT HAVE THE STOMACH FOR IT. REAL MEN DON'T LET ASSHOLES URINATE ON THEIR MEMORIAL.

DO NOT HONOR THE PISSING MORON AS OUR EQUAL! HE DESERVES ALL THE SCORN THAT THIS OR ANY OTHER ADMINISTRATION CAN HEAP ON HIM. HE AND YOU DON'T DESERVE TO SERVE AMONG THE REST OF US!!!!!!!
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WELL SAID. i HAVE FRIENDS WHO ARE THERE, FRIENDS WHO I SERVED WITH AND SAT NEXT TO IN A SQUAD CAR. MEN WHOS FAMILIES ARE GROWING UP WITHOUT THE LOVE OF THEIR DAD/HUSBAND/BROTHER. FUCK YOU... TURN IN YOUR BADGE AND FIND ANOTHER LINE OF WORK. TO EVEN THINK OF PROTECTING THIS PIECE OF SHIT FOR WHAT HE DID IS UNTHINKABLE. GOD BLESS ALL OUR FALLEN. "WE WILL NEVER FORGET YOU"

9/16/2009 12:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Although I am as outraged as anyone here, I believe the moment of opportunity has passed, unfortunately.

I believe the on-duty PO could argue that he exercised his discretion in issuing ANOV's, and he let others go that were NOT the police, this still might be more trouble than it's worth.

I'm not sure what kind of a CR could be lodged, and the powers that be might be ticked off at having to deal with it.

Hopefully this will play out like it does with bad guys--eventually they get caught.

Best of luck to the PO making his final decision, and piss on the other one.

9/16/2009 01:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

through tear-filled eyes i read on and on...the classic catch 22 for the p.o. who comes across a brother p.o who is defiling the sacred grounds our fellow brothers gave the ultimate sacrifice for...what the hell is this world coming to?- i can only pray to St Michael that this so-called P.O> which now stands for Piss Officer meets no similar fate and years from now some one is not pissing on his grave/memorial.. the karma train runs a circular track and what goes around comes around...we do not need the blog to figure out this guys name.. the name will spread like wildfire on the grapevine and hopefully every time this jag opens his locker he has to smell urine on his uniforms...no need to post the name scc i'm sure the thin blue line is already whistling it...

9/16/2009 01:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Although his actions were unforgivable, one fact remains, coppers don't hurt other coppers. You are turning this officer in to an administration that we do not trust and puts policemen last. By doing this YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM.

9/16/2009 06:28:00 AM

He was urinating on the memorial for Police Officers killed in the line of duty. What is the threshold for taking any action with you?

9/16/2009 07:34:00 AM

A CR is not the answer. The original officer knows who and where the pisser works. Handle it the old way. Like when 2 guys would sort it out in the parking lot. Or the rest of the unit would straighten the problem officer out. Posting it city wide is not a good idea either. Discretly let the pisser's unit know what happened and let them handle it the old way. But, then again, everyone's afraid to do shit like that now because the mentality now a days is to go get a CR # if someone fights you or makes fun of you. Children.

9/16/2009 01:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You forget, the on duty P.O.'s original post stated that he was the only one assigned to the post. He therefore identified himself to any one with access to the assignment sheets. If a C.R. hasn't been initiated already by some social climbing boss, it will be soon. And what happened the last time you went ahead and wrote up another P.O. or fireman or city worker of any kind? Where was the case when you went to court? What happened if it was there? Did you ever get that assignment again? I'm not sayin, I'm just sayin.

9/16/2009 01:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You did the right thing Officer.

9/16/2009 01:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Turn yourself in while you still have a chance to redeem yourself. If you turn yourself in, at first people will be angry toward you and then they will move to forgiveness. Who in their life hasn't made a bone head mistake?

Don't out yourself and then you really are an asshole. A major league asshole.

Do the right thing. Turn yourself in and sincerely apologize to all of us.

9/16/2009 01:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OFF TOPIC FOUR PO'S FROM SPEC OPS ARRESTED THIS MORNING

9/16/2009 01:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Off topic. Today's Scumtimes has an article about the infamous dispatcher who f'd up the 10th district officer's off duty 10-1. Seems to be that this same person was allowed to dispatch after all the allegations were made and he made another careless mistake involving a state police officer who was in a foot pursuit through the Dan Ryan woods. All the useless fools at 911 should have seen this coming. We did. Glad that P.O. is ok. Wow this dispatcher is looking to be a bigger and bigger fool every day. Watch your backs out there officers.

9/16/2009 02:29:00 PM  
Anonymous SOG (Sad Old Guy) said...

The barbarians are not at the gate, they are us.

I retired 10 years ago. Glad of that.

I watch the blog, and sit in wonderment: When did the job go down the drain? Was it the reduced hiring standards? Was it the educational requirements?

Where did this sense of entitlement come from?

I got the job, so now I don't have to DO the job?? WTF?

I went to a party recently. The young heroes failed to respect the property, the owner, or themselves. They acted like they could run the world, while hiding behind the "Hey,I'm a cop, don't hurt me" routine.

SCC, I don't envy you. You have put forth so many vital issues, while staying above the low level of your respondents, all of us who hide behind the Anonymous tag.

I do it myself. Hopefully, I've try to inculcate the juniors with some sense of honor or dignity.

So, good luck. Put a fork in me, I'm done.

9/16/2009 02:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

if CPD big bosses would start acting like real Cops and not politicians, they would have made sure adequate manpower was watching the Memorial, to keep it safe from all the goofs and modern-day Hippies who have too much money to waste paying to see the P.O.S. Bono and squirrley band.

9/16/2009 02:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I disagree. Coppers should not get CR#'s on each other. I know there might be a few extreme examples where this general rule does not apply, but this is not one of them.

If the officer feels he should have acted, then he should have done so on the scene. If he's sorry he didn't, he can't make up for it now. What is done is done. There are no do-overs in our business.

In the end, this CR# is a cry to this department for justice. You won't get it. This CR# will only tarnish both you and the offending copper. The justice administrated by this department will be based only on clout, nothing more.

I disagree with this copper's decision, but it's his to make. I am virtually certain he will be disappointed by the results.

9/16/2009 02:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

'If the officer feels he should have acted, then he should have done so on the scene. If he's sorry he didn't, he can't make up for it now. What is done is done. There are no do-overs in our business.

In the end, this CR# is a cry to this department for justice. You won't get it. This CR# will only tarnish both you and the offending copper. The justice administrated by this department will be based only on clout, nothing more.

I disagree with this copper's decision, but it's his to make. I am virtually certain he will be disappointed by the results.'

I would have to concur with the original poster of this comment.
If it bothered you enough at the time of occurrence, I wouldn't have a problem with obtaining a CR. I think it should be left alone at this point. And any justice you think you would get from the CR would be disappointing, if this asshole has any whack (who knows, he might have received his U2 tickets from
Cmdr Tarmac of the Academy, or Brust).

9/16/2009 03:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Now does that sound like this department or society as a whole?

9/16/2009 08:34:00 AM"


There is no such thing as 'society as a whole'.

There is only each individual soul, embodied for a finite period of time, deciding who they choose to be, what they choose to do, when, where, why and how they choose to do it, and experiencing the results of their decisions.

As the saying goes, 'The devil is in the details'.

9/16/2009 03:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anyone that talks badly about the P.O. initiating the C.R. is an idiot.

9/16/2009 10:40:00 AM

Not so. It is our business. It is our dilemma. Why do we need to call on the system and the white shirts to handle it. Not a wise move.

Besides, everyone, and I mean everyone, will know his name soon enough. The taint will never diminish. He's not the first to have a taint follow him until the day he leaves, and he will not be the last, but taint is a powerful thing on our job.

You'll see. Let it happen. Let it unfold naturally. Leave the white shirts and the system out of it. Leave our business as our business. It is the best way.

9/16/2009 04:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In the end, this CR# is a cry to this department for justice. You won't get it. This CR# will only tarnish both you and the offending copper. The justice administrated by this department will be based only on clout, nothing more.

I agree, very well put. Everyone complains about the adminstration and you want to use them for revenge? Why? you people can't handle it? Nobody knows the whole story. On the Wall? in the grass? So lets let IAD handle it. I know you will never get justice from these bastards. Everyone is going to know who it is. Believe me in this department nobody ever lives anything down. Most of the shit we did was funny and irresponsible and this poor bastard (and he may be a good guy and copper when sober) will have to live with this for the rest of his life. IAD my ass.

9/16/2009 04:10:00 PM  
Blogger Second City Wifey said...

Although his actions were unforgivable, one fact remains, coppers don't hurt other coppers.


*************

Coppers don't piss on the memory of a slain officer.

9/16/2009 04:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well,I told myself I was going to stay out of this mess but,after
reading the the statement from SOG
(Sad Old Guy) I just have to chime in.

We are one big family,whether we like it or not,we have some real assholes for relatives and we learn to live with it.

I am not in favor of getting a CR#
on the mystery pisser,someone said that letting people in his unit know what he did,will get the ball
rolling and the mystery pisser will
be outed to his peers.

We do not air our dirty laundry to
the public,or management,it should be taken care of inhouse amongst ourselves.

I retired with 34 years,and during my career,those officers that fucked up royally and destroyed their own reputation,and/or the reputations of others had that mark follow them thruout their careers,no matter where they went,
or what unit they transferred in,their reputation followed them.

There are people mentioned dailey on this blog who's past descretions are brought up quite regulary,just about any merit promotion as an example.

I've taken a lot of shit off of ODPO's in my time,and the situation was always resolved in one way or another without a supervisor.A CR# never crossed my mind.

Retired.............and loving it.

9/16/2009 04:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
I am a P.O. and three times in my career I arrested officers for driving under the influence. One was a suburban cop and two were Chicago cops. Sorry, but if you are plastered, then don't fucking drive drunk! They thought they would get "professional courtesy" and were shocked when they didn't.


Gee, here's something to be proud of! Why even mention all of this, are you just trying to qualify yourself as an asshole? I'll still give you and your family professional courtesy, even if you are a jagoff.

Regarding whether or not to get a # on the pissing bandit, I think you should let it go at this point, chalk it up to experience. Maybe you could contact the moron while he's sober and ask him if realizes what a sickening thing he did that night, and that will help you decide. I would hope in the light of day he would be mortified by his own behaviour. Back in the old days it would have best been settled by a good punch in the face, but sadly enough that would get you time off nowadays.
Don't lose any sleep over it, you did what you thought was right at the moment; and you're not the one who should be feeling bad about this.

9/16/2009 04:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

017-anyone hear about our capt. barn-ass eating the lunchmeat from the 017 lockup, and its all on video... THAT IS THEFT, CITY PROPERTY... J-FED SHOULD LOOK INTO THIS ONE.... THIS 3RD WATCH CAPT. IS SOMETHING ELSE, AUNT "B"... WAIT TILL THE PAPER ON HIM STARTS..

9/16/2009 10:12:00 AM

LOL you are a douche bag. STFU like you never did or took anything on company time.(Use copy machine for personal copies, checked e-mail on company time, went home out of district for personal reasons, took juice or cigs from corner store etc.) you sound like a little child "look what the Captain did I'll show him" You sound like a typical 2 year wonder who didn,t make tact or got his time due denied.

9/16/2009 05:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Officer Down Memorial page shows 500 Line Of Duty deaths listed as C.P.D, 369 of these are listed as gunfire. I remember quite a few of these Line Of Duty deaths, including Sgt. Severin and Officer Rizzato, Officers Larry Vincent, Irma Ruiz, Dorelle C. Brandon, Fahey and O'brien to name a few. I also remember a wagon man from the Morgan Park District was killed, over near Evergreen Plaza, chasing a criminal in between houses, sometime in the late 70s. These are memorys i have from growing up in the chicago area. On that basis, I will go by the memorial tomorrow night and pay my respects to these men and women.

9/16/2009 05:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Was he pissing on the Memorial itself, or was he pissing in the bushes on the grounds? Was he showing disrespect or did he just have to piss really bad and made a stupid decision? Before you nail him to the cross, you may want to check that out. There is a certain mob mentality about this post.

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Thanks brother, you are speaking for many of us...though we do tend to be the silent majority.

9/16/2009 06:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

WELL SAID. i HAVE FRIENDS WHO ARE THERE, FRIENDS WHO I SERVED WITH AND SAT NEXT TO IN A SQUAD CAR. MEN WHOS FAMILIES ARE GROWING UP WITHOUT THE LOVE OF THEIR DAD/HUSBAND/BROTHER. FUCK YOU... TURN IN YOUR BADGE AND FIND ANOTHER LINE OF WORK. TO EVEN THINK OF PROTECTING THIS PIECE OF SHIT FOR WHAT HE DID IS UNTHINKABLE. GOD BLESS ALL OUR FALLEN. "WE WILL NEVER FORGET YOU"

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You really sound like one crazy ass motherfcker...I truly hope the hell you are NOT on the job as you talk just like the nutjobs we find screaming on the corners in the loop. We usally keep some aluminus foil to help keep the aliens from attacking you....it relaxed them!!

9/16/2009 06:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ANTHONY RICCIO to Commander, Bureau of Investigative Services - Detective Division, Area 4, Unit 640

HECTOR RODRIGUEZ to Commander, Bureau of Investigative Services - Organized Crime Division, Vice Control Section, Unit 192

EUGENE ROY to Commander, Bureau of Investigative Services -Counter Terrorism & Intelligence, Bomb & Arson Section, Unit 603

KENNETH ANGARONE is hereby promoted to Commander,
Bureau of Patrol, District Law Enforcement – 018th District

RICHARD A. ELMER is hereby promoted to Commander,
Bureau of Patrol, District Law Enforcement – 021st District

DAVID M. JARMUSZ is hereby promoted to Commander,
Bureau of Patrol, District Law Enforcement – 009th District

DAVID R. MC NAUGHTON is hereby promoted to Commander,
Bureau of Patrol, District Law Enforcement – 016th District

MICHAEL A. WICK is hereby promoted to Commander,
Bureau of Patrol, District Law Enforcement – 024th District

9/16/2009 06:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You made it sound like he pissed right on the Memorial. It is very different to piss by a tree on your way through, especially if you really have to go. What a bunch of shit over nothing....Daley and Weiss are laughing their asses off right now at how easliy manipulated we all are. No wonder they don't give a shit about getting a contract for us.

9/16/2009 06:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is a J-O-B not a profession.

9/16/2009 06:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OT . Is there any truth to the four officers being arrested ???

9/16/2009 06:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Are you telling me the police are taking a piss on or near the damn memorial?? Say it ain't so WTF!!!!

9/16/2009 06:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
To the on duty officer: Golden Rule.

9/16/2009 08:56:00 AM

To the above STUPID anonymous commenter:
GFY you sanctimonious piece of crap!

If I EVER get so drunk that I, 1) Go to a U2 concert, 2) Need to piss out in public somewhere and 3) choose to urinate on THE CHICAGO POLICE MEMORIAL, please shoot me... I do not deserve your professional courtesy as I have proven myself not to be a professional!!!!

Did I mention GFY?

9/16/2009 06:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am a P.O. and three times in my career I arrested officers for driving under the influence. One was a suburban cop and two were Chicago cops. Sorry, but if you are plastered, then don't fucking drive drunk! They thought they would get "professional courtesy" and were shocked when they didn't.


Wrong, unless theyb were in an accident drive them home or let them call someone, we are suppose to look out for each other, bottom line..

9/16/2009 06:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Although his actions were unforgivable, one fact remains, coppers don't hurt other coppers. You are turning this officer in to an administration that we do not trust and puts policemen last. By doing this YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM.

9/16/2009 06:28:00 AM
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Coppers don't piss on memorials of our fallen!!!

That guy is not the police!

What's wrong with people that think it's okay, or not a big deal to piss on, or vandalize the CPD Memorial???? (or any memorial for that matter)

I'm sure the on duty officer wished he/she wrote his ass, but they did what we all do...

Courtesy??? Courtesy goes both ways!
And we should always give courtesy to the on duty officer before we expect to get it!!!

The so-called off duty "copper" deserves to be punished.

9/16/2009 07:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I might have been one of the "violent" comments you culled from the original post, but I'd like to clarify something about memorials, and anybody's disregard and, in this case, blatant disrespect, of them.

If you were to go onto an Army post, any Army post, you'll see plenty of memorials. But let's take one example, in particular.

Down at Ft. Benning, GA, which is home to the 75th Ranger Rgt and one of its battalions, as well as its school, they have a Ranger memorial commemorating all who have died in service to their country, and from that particular unit.

You can bet that if a soldier, any soldier, on duty or off, had the nerve to whip it out and take a leak within a country mile of that memorial, and had the terrible luck of being spotted by somebody from that unit, any administrative or UCMJ action that would have taken place would have occured after he recovered from some serious hurt.

Our society is going down the drain. At the Vietnam Veterans Memorial down by the river, they had locals walking their dogs there and allowing them to SHIT within spitting distance of the monument, and just leaving those big, steaming dog turds as an example of how fucked up they, and the larger society in particular, have become.

Nothing wrong with having a code and protecting your own, but when you have to wrestle with your consience over something like this, it's time to take a good, long hard look at yourself and your own belief systems.

This one was a no brainer.

9/16/2009 07:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

BARN-ASS AND MEALER WHAT A COUPLE!!!

9/16/2009 07:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Off Topic:
Eugene Roy has finally left the 009th district. I feel like a character from the Wizard of Oz celebrating the death of the wicked witch! Good riddance Gene and don't let the door hit you in the ass!
Bomb and Arson...I feel for you. Gene has a way of "fixing" things that aren't broke just so everyone knows who's boss. You guys have had some very good bosses lately and I assure you Gene is going to break that trend. Whatever you do
do not trust the man and don't expect any loyalty from him. Don't be offended if he ignores you when passing him in the hall he's done that routinely in the 009th district. He'll even go as far as to look the other way or pretend he doesn't see you..even if you 've said "Hello" to him. He truly is a real piece of work!
Christmas has come early to the 009th district proving that yes Virginia there is a Santa Claus.

9/16/2009 07:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Although his actions were unforgivable, one fact remains, coppers don't hurt other coppers

Hey GOOF.. coppers don't piss on the Police Memorial... When will you guys realize just because a guy/girl has a badge that does not make them a cop.

9/16/2009 07:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Officer, I support you 110%. Go ahead and initiate a CR# against this guy who pissed on our memorial.

For the love of God, this man pissed on our memorial after a concert? AND he was a P.O.?

I am a P.O. and three times in my career I arrested officers for driving under the influence. One was a suburban cop and two were Chicago cops. Sorry, but if you are plastered, then don't fucking drive drunk! They thought they would get "professional courtesy" and were shocked when they didn't.

We are the police. We are not a gang or the mob. If one of us as cops does something totally wrong, then the bad guy is the bad guy, not the good guy who was put in that position.

9/16/2009 08:51:00 AM

Although somebody who is ignorant enough to urinate on the Memorial,deserves scorn from the rest of us he doesn't scare me. Reading the above post makes me glad I'm retitred. What happened to the days when we cared for each other and looked out for each other. I think JFed must really be proud of what he has made the CPD. No wants to see anybody driving drunk but being proud of locking up other coppers.....
Between these two and the City Administration maybe it is time to get the fuck out of Dodge. Good luck to all of you.

9/16/2009 08:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Although his actions were unforgivable, one fact remains, coppers don't hurt other coppers.

I totally agree

UNLESS YOU PISS ON THE MEMORIAL HONORING MY DEAD BROTHERS AND SISTERS YOU POS! FCCK YOU!

9/16/2009 08:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You all kill me, I personally KNOW enough names on the wall, and they would actually LAUGH about this whole debate. If U have to take a leak, take it, as long as it was not done to be purposely (sp?) disrespectful. Sorry, but I do feel that a PO does not get a # on another PO, NO MATTER WHAT, beat his/her ass, if need be, but you DO NOT put another blueshirt in to IAD, (or the j-fed/puke)!!! All of U need to turn this outrage into jody's face for what he did, and is doing to the still alive among us. It is my belief that everyone on that wall would be sickened over what the fed is doing to all of us.

9/16/2009 09:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

THE MEMORIAL IS BS TO BEGIN WITH ITS DOESNT EVEN SAY "POLICE" ON IT and NICE CRAPPY CONCRETE YEH RIGHT THAT LOOKS GREAT! AND SINCE WHEN DO WE MILK RECRUITS IN THE ACADEMY FOR MONEY!! THE BOSSES SHOULD BE GIVING BIG CHECKS TO BUILD THIS> ALSO IT IS JUST A BACKDROP FOR THE BS DRUNK OUT OF UNIFORM HEY HOW ARE YOU PARADE THAT IS CALLE ST.JUDE!! ALSO NICE JOB FOR FAT CLINE DOESNT HE GET ENOUGH FROM HIS PENSION BESIDES WHO THE FUK CARES!! THE CITY AND THIS JOB ARE GONE

9/16/2009 10:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I say invite this ASSHOLE to the Candlelight Vigil and apoligize to
everyone attending. This is unacceptible. I just bet he is a youngster with no class, I say Name him publicly. Fuck Him

9/16/2009 10:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is just a humble Patrolman's suggestion.
The US Army has a unit named 'The Old Guard'.
"3rd US Infantry Regiment BCT conducts ceremonies in order to maintain the traditions of the US Army, showcase the Army to our nation's citizens and the world, and to defend the dignity and honor of our fallen comrades. On order, 3d Infantry Regiment BCT protects federal property and / or assists civilian authorities in the NCR in order to limit the effects of attacks or disasters."

Because our Memorial to our fallen is located in such a public place, it has been a target for past vandalism and future ones.
Perhaps we could also have a dedicated group of officers who would be responsible to conduct security and showcase our Department. We should not allow further desecration to a place that honor the memories of such wonderful people. People who were our fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters, family and friends.
I don't know what the price would be for this, but it could never equal the price that they paid for us and for this city.

The Army does it because they know that the price that the soldiers paid was very valuable, our Freedom.

As for the officer who committed this shameful act, it was a slap to my fellow officers and I. The douchbag gangbangers are more respectful to their fallen then you are. You have no honor.

9/16/2009 10:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Although his actions were unforgivable, one fact remains, coppers don't hurt other coppers. You are turning this officer in to an administration that we do not trust and puts policemen last. By doing this YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM.

THE COPPER HURT HIMSELF WHEN HE PISSED ON OUR DEAD! SORRY YOU ARE WRONG.

9/16/2009 10:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Settle this in a back alley and shut the f*ck up. CR number ?

9/16/2009 10:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sadly those days are gone.Today's supervisor want's to be "invoved" much like todays "hoverparents" a real bunch of goofs.

9/16/2009 12:45:00 PM

and todays PO's cant make a decision without one and quick to put them on the report if they see one within 100 yards of their job

9/16/2009 10:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Officer, I support you 110%. Go ahead and initiate a CR# against this guy who pissed on our memorial.

For the love of God, this man pissed on our memorial after a concert? AND he was a P.O.?

I am a P.O. and three times in my career I arrested officers for driving under the influence. One was a suburban cop and two were Chicago cops. Sorry, but if you are plastered, then don't fucking drive drunk! They thought they would get "professional courtesy" and were shocked when they didn't.

We are the police. We are not a gang or the mob. If one of us as cops does something totally wrong, then the bad guy is the bad guy, not the good guy who was put in that position.

9/16/2009 08:51:00 AM
You miserable prick, we are the police, not a gang or a mob, for that I agree, but in our job, we see more shit than anyone else, and the changing of shifts takes a toll on our marriages, while i do not condone drunken driving, I have on many occassions, given drunken police from suburbs and city rides home, we all make mistakes, there are enough bad guys out there to arrest, try finding one. The three times you locked up the police, i hope you sleep well at night with your perfectness, you are just the type, when you go through your divorce, would ask for a pass when you have one too many! Also to the pisser, there are so many bushes and trees that you could have used, I have lost too many friends on this job, and you disgust me.

9/16/2009 10:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And just what the fuck is a CR# going to do?

9/16/2009 10:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

THE MEMORIAL IS BS TO BEGIN WITH ITS DOESNT EVEN SAY "POLICE" ON IT and NICE CRAPPY CONCRETE YEH RIGHT THAT LOOKS GREAT! AND SINCE WHEN DO WE MILK RECRUITS IN THE ACADEMY FOR MONEY!! THE BOSSES SHOULD BE GIVING BIG CHECKS TO BUILD THIS> ALSO IT IS JUST A BACKDROP FOR THE BS DRUNK OUT OF UNIFORM HEY HOW ARE YOU PARADE THAT IS CALLE ST.JUDE!! ALSO NICE JOB FOR FAT CLINE DOESNT HE GET ENOUGH FROM HIS PENSION BESIDES WHO THE FUK CARES!! THE CITY AND THIS JOB ARE GONE


When we want your opinion you little shit- we'll ask for it. Now go back to 7-11 and get your free pop and continue reading the National Enquirer. Jag off.

9/16/2009 10:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just love how these topics can go off in various directions.

As for the various posts about the cop who arrested 3 ODPO's for DUI good for him.

Let them take the administrative hit and time off. Maybe they will clean up their acts and not drink and drive. If they have a serious problem let them get the help they need before they kill or badly injure someone.

In the last 18 months how many sworn CPD members have been involved in fatal auto accidents involving alcohol?

Don't answer. I can think of at least three and I'm likely forgetting a few.

As for the pissing on the memorial incident the police department is not immune to assholes.

Take alcohol, add 9 years as a cop, mix with a general asshole attitude...........you get the picture.

I wish there was an "asshole identification test" before people were hired. I'm not talking about occasional bouts of stupidity. I'm talking always pissed off, mad at the world, self entitled fuck-faces who think that they can do anything anytime.

There have to be limits. DUI is one limit and pissing on memorial is another.

9/16/2009 11:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lillie Crump Hales lives another day. Remember all you "go get em Lt's" she's gonna retire with a gold braid pension and more than likely become the police chief of a southern suburb of Chicago; ala Regina Evans-Banahan-Smith-Jones-Green-White. Well, you get what I mean.

9/16/2009 11:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

He should go a piss all over city hall...instead of our Memorial

9/16/2009 11:24:00 PM  
Anonymous snubbies with attituide said...

You all kill me, I personally KNOW enough names on the wall, and they would actually LAUGH about this whole debate. If U have to take a leak, take it, as long as it was not done to be purposely (sp?) disrespectful. Sorry, but I do feel that a PO does not get a # on another PO, NO MATTER WHAT, beat his/her ass, if need be, but you DO NOT put another blueshirt in to IAD, (or the j-fed/puke)!!! All of U need to turn this outrage into jody's face for what he did, and is doing to the still alive among us. It is my belief that everyone on that wall would be sickened over what the fed is doing to all of us.


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im sorry but i agree 100%. what this guy did was wrong. i think it was a shitty thing and im offended that he did it but you never ever get another number on a copper. you give the info to the other blue shirts he works with and they take care of it. if the guy is on a team, you tell his teamates and it is handled amongst us. j-fed is licking his chops on this one. hes gonna really hit this guy just to show some unity with us blue shirts... however jfed, we dont want your unity, we have unity. we can take care of it on our own and we dont need you running to the media and putting this guy on the news to make another fed example. you never ever sell out another copper to iad.. let alone to this guy weis. they always talk about the "thin blue line" in the news...f'n right. im proud there is a thin blue line. i will stick up for a fellow copper any day of the week. ive learned that in 27 years on this job. this kid deserves a good ass kickin from his fellow officers and thats it. i hope this department hasnt been pussified that much... hopefully there is some type of unity and brotherhood left. we take care of it our way... not the feds way, and not iad's way. this is a personal memorial of our friends.. we will take care of it. this talk of gettin a number on the kid is nuts.. sure hes a jagoff, but lets not loose our direction.. lets remember how we handel things. iad is gonna do nothing but fuck this whole thing up and make another media news story. j fed you ipra and iad can go fuck yourself... signed, snubbies with attituide.

9/16/2009 11:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm tired of all this bullshit. If a copper really pissed on the monument, he needs his head shoved in a toilet.....plain and simple.

If you drive drunk as a copper, a big "FUCK YOU" to you. I'm tired of stupid cops acting stupid and making the rest of us look like assholes. This is real life. Personally I've lost people I care about to drunk drivers and I'm tired of this mentality that cops have that they are immune or something. How about leading by example? How about not driving while you're shitfaced?

I've been a copper 25+ years and I've given coppers a ride home, but no more.


Grow up people, the world is watching and you're dropping the ball.

9/16/2009 11:40:00 PM  
Anonymous i remember those days.. said...

The Officer Down Memorial page shows 500 Line Of Duty deaths listed as C.P.D, 369 of these are listed as gunfire. I remember quite a few of these Line Of Duty deaths, including Sgt. Severin and Officer Rizzato, Officers Larry Vincent, Irma Ruiz, Dorelle C. Brandon, Fahey and O'brien to name a few. I also remember a wagon man from the Morgan Park District was killed, over near Evergreen Plaza, chasing a criminal in between houses, sometime in the late 70s. These are memorys i have from growing up in the chicago area. On that basis, I will go by the memorial tomorrow night and pay my respects to these men and women.

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i too remember these guys.. fehey and obrian and the wagon man you are talking about was marty darcy from 022. i still remember that day, his partner eddie ryan shot and killed the bad guy just after he got a round off at marty. that was a sad day. that was a tough few years, fehey, obrian then shortly after darcy. i still go down there when I can to check the memorial.. its a nice place to rehash some good stories and think about the good and bad times.

9/16/2009 11:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Although his actions were unforgivable, one fact remains, coppers don't hurt other coppers. You are turning this officer in to an administration that we do not trust and puts policemen last. By doing this YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM.

THE COPPER HURT HIMSELF WHEN HE PISSED ON OUR DEAD! SORRY YOU ARE WRONG.

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Newsflash asswipe....you saying someone is wrong in CAPITAL LETTERS does not make them wrong. I think you are wrong AND an arrogant prick. Why do I get the feeling you were kicked around by the other kids who attended St. Mary of Holy Water Grammar School. I love the internet toughasses. NOW GO STAMP YOUR FEET AND SHOUT THAT I AM NOT A REAL COP AND THEN CALL IAD AND MAKE UP SOME SHIT ABOUT ME. They know me pretty well and won't need much of a push. Undercover IAD prick who lies....just fcking perfect.

9/17/2009 12:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the P.O. who writes other P.O.'s D.U.I's. Why didn't you give the P.O. a ride home or maybe let him call for a ride? If you felt so strongly about it, lock their keys in the car and let them walk. Your an asshole.

9/17/2009 01:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree with the guy who says "Whats a CR number going to do?"

Hell I got about 40 some Cr's over my time and was on the "list" ......

So lets put the pisser on a list and make him a Behavior Alert or Personnel Concern? That'll teach him!

Better off releasing his name and let him reap what he sowed.....

We are NERDS!

We think like pussies! This job has gone out the window!
3 bars

9/17/2009 02:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It was never explained why the On-Duty Officer didn’t call a Supervisor to deal directly with the offending "Officer" in question?

9/16/2009 01:54:00 AM


You are an ass… what are u a 3 yr wonder or just ball less ? Call a Sgt!
How about make a f*cken decision! You have three choices; Lock him up, chew him a new ass or look the other way….. Grow a testical and make the call!

9/17/2009 07:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
To the P.O. who writes other P.O.'s D.U.I's. Why didn't you give the P.O. a ride home or maybe let him call for a ride? If you felt so strongly about it, lock their keys in the car and let them walk. Your an asshole.

9/17/2009 01:35:00 AM

In my first 10 years on the job I stopped many officers from the city and other areas how many did I DUI? NONE! Why? I just figured we are all we have,each other as a "team" and like family you never hurt a family member ever! Did I let them drive if intoxicated? No we talked laughed and we drove the officer home,and most times parked his/her car in front! Not just the blue shirts but sgts,lts,captains,and even a deputy no names will be revealed lets just say they "bleed blue"! If you see fit to ticket,dui a copper of his/her family member do me a favor resign now! KMA member close to 55!

9/17/2009 09:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the P.O. who writes other P.O.'s D.U.I's. Why didn't you give the P.O. a ride home or maybe let him call for a ride? If you felt so strongly about it, lock their keys in the car and let them walk. Your an asshole.

9/17/2009 01:35:00 AM

Sorry brother, but I am the P.O. who will arrest drunken P.O.'s. I don't do it because I am an asshole. I do it because my niece was killed by a P.O. in Florida. Then a month later, a close friend's two boys (age 21 and 25) were killed by a drunken P.O. in Missouri.

That did it for me. Why is it so hard for cops to understand? If you are drunk then don't drive.

Plus today we have cameras up the wazoo. If I am caught giving special treatment to a drunken P.O. then I am screwed. I have a mortgage payment, obligations to my family and a pension.

On the one hand I am not happy about writing cops up. But the bad guy isn't me, it's the person who was driving drunk and thought they can get a free pass while placing the stress, tension, and headache on me.

9/17/2009 10:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Your right! said...

I agree with the guy who says "Whats a CR number going to do?"

Hell I got about 40 some Cr's over my time and was on the "list" ......

So lets put the pisser on a list and make him a Behavior Alert or Personnel Concern? That'll teach him!

Better off releasing his name and let him reap what he sowed.....

We are NERDS!

We think like pussies! This job has gone out the window!
3 bars

9/17/2009 02:02:00 AM

Original poster, here. I just picked up my 3rd bar. On "the list" as well...

Nice to see that someone understands what good getting a CR# on this ass-wipe will do. Oooohhhh a "To/From", WOW! [rolls eyes] Do you think he's going to get any time? Seriously?

As far as the Original Officer witnessing the event, I was taught in the Academy, one of the best tools we have on OUR side is “DISCRETION”! Once the Department takes that away, we become an automaton. The Officer exercised his discretion on not ANOV’ing him. There’s his response to any back-lash from IAD/IRPA/Supt “Lil Big Head”. I’m not doing to get into a debate on “What he shoulda did…” (Up to, and including “pistol whipping”) or the “I’da done this…” That part is done and over with.

Now, the hard part: What is the Officer GOING TO DO? IF, and it’s a big “IF” the Original Officer, or SCC posts the name of the offending douche-bag, then the next part is: “What are WE going to do”? Physical harm? Fuck up his car? House? If this punk is dumb enough to piss on out memorial, don’t you think that this little bitch won’t get a CR# on you? This little bitch will be the FIRST pussy to, cry, call a lawyer and sue one of us.

I’m not sayin, I’m just sayin…

9/17/2009 12:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Every single guy or woman I know who's honored in Memorial Park would have gone to the ends of the earth to help another copper. Bar none.

9/17/2009 12:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i too remember these guys.. fehey and obrian and the wagon man you are talking about was marty darcy from 022. i still remember that day, his partner eddie ryan shot and killed the bad guy just after he got a round off at marty. that was a sad day. that was a tough few years, fehey, obrian then shortly after darcy. i still go down there when I can to check the memorial.. its a nice place to rehash some good stories and think about the good and bad times.


Yeah and the way the new pussy police think, they would dui you guys if they stop you. This job is truly in the tank....

9/17/2009 02:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Although his actions were unforgivable, one fact remains, coppers don't hurt other coppers. You are turning this officer in to an administration that we do not trust and puts policemen last. By doing this YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM."

9/16/2009 06:28:00 AM

What a crock of shit. I hope you really don't believe that garbage. Another poster wrote this:

"There are 2 kinds of cops... good and bad. The good are on your side, and the bad shouldn't be here in the first place".

I agree with this 100%. The pissing cop deserves to be disciplined. In fact, I would say that he doesn't belong on the job. Drunk or not, how can someone piss on a memorial dedicated to fallen officers unless he himself has no respect for those that gave their lives? He is obviously someone who is simply here for a paycheck and nothing more. What ever happened to the honor, integrity, and desire to serve that used to draw people to law enforcement years ago?

9/17/2009 02:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the P.O. who writes other P.O.'s D.U.I's. Why didn't you give the P.O. a ride home or maybe let him call for a ride? If you felt so strongly about it, lock their keys in the car and let them walk. Your an asshole.

How many passes did Frugoli get? At least a couple that I know of. And what good did it do? NONE!! He didn't learn, he kept driving when he was shitfaced and now he's killed two kids and fucked up his life!

Drive when you're drunk you're a douche bag, whether copper or not. Don't look to me for pity....fuck you!

9/17/2009 10:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Original poster, here. I just picked up my 3rd bar. On "the list" as well..."

WTF DOES THAT MEAN? SOMEHOW 15YRS& THE "LIST" MAKES YOU CAPTAIN CREDIBILITY?
POUND SAND ASSHAT!!

9/17/2009 11:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Today's supervisor want's to be "invoved" much like todays "hoverparents" a real bunch of goofs.

9/16/2009 12:45:00 PM
Here's the rub: if there is a beef, the sgt becomes an accused and the LT has to handle the log# (CR).. Word to the hoverparents: stay the fuck away. Let the officers do their own jobs. Learn to do YOUR own, sgt.

9/17/2009 11:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

017-anyone hear about our capt. barn-ass eating the lunchmeat from the 017 lockup, and its all on video... THAT IS THEFT, CITY PROPERTY... J-FED SHOULD LOOK INTO THIS ONE.... THIS 3RD WATCH CAPT. IS SOMETHING ELSE, AUNT "B"... WAIT TILL THE PAPER ON HIM STARTS..

9/16/2009 10:12:00 AM

LOL you are a douche bag. STFU like you never did or took anything on company time.(Use copy machine for personal copies, checked e-mail on company time, went home out of district for personal reasons, took juice or cigs from corner store etc.) you sound like a little child "look what the Captain did I'll show him" You sound like a typical 2 year wonder who didn,t make tact or got his time due denied.--------- THIS IS ABOUT A CAPT OF POLICE, FROM THE 017 DISTRICT MAKING HIMSELF A BOLOGNA SANDWICH FROM THE 017 LOCK-UP... THIS IS ALL ON VIDEO CAMERA. THIS IS A DISGRACE, HOW LOW CAN A PERSON GO, TO SAVE A BUCK, THIS IS WHAT ITS ALL ABOUT! NOT GETTING FREE COFFEE OR MAKING COPIES ON THE COPY MACINE, WHICH WERE NOT ON VIDEO, SO STOP DEFENDING THE SALESMAN "BOB ROHRMAN" IS ALL ABOUT HIMSELF AND SCREW EVERYBODY ELSE.. MEALER IS THE SAME WAY, THATS WHY THEY ARE GOOD FRIENDS. MEALER BROUGHT THE 3RD WATCH CAPT TOO 017. SO STOP YOUR CRING..

9/18/2009 09:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You do what you gotta do and I'll do what I gotta do. I gotta back my brothers and sisters. Period.

9/18/2009 03:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the Officer that knows the offending cops name: Get his name out there. If you have to make an anonymous call to every district desk get it out there. We will take it from there. After a little while this guy will quit on his own because of the embarrassment.

9/18/2009 07:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

blah blah blah... so anyway was he pissing On the memorial or was he pissing behind it.

Big difference. Your gonna beef and that retarded looking fuck take care of it?? Whats wrong with u ?

9/19/2009 04:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

And just what the fuck is a CR# going to do?

9/16/2009 10:53:00 PM

Exactly!! If IAD handles this both PO's will lose. Pisser for his actions and on-duty for failure to take police action/notify supervisor.

9/19/2009 04:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
The worst thing about turning him and filing a complaint is that this department could never dish out a punishment to fit the crime. I'm not advocating violence, trust me, but how many times have we seen disgraceful officers get their jobs back time after time?

This department is rotten to the core
++++++++

Or even worse...

DISGRACEFUL "OFFICERS" AND dis-Grace-ful officers keeping their jobs while others get tossed under the POLITICAL HACK bus.

9/20/2009 05:19:00 PM  

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