Three Years
- The Arbitration process has begun.
Below is a list of the actions that will take place in preparation for the process.
August 28, 2009
City and Lodge agree to Arbitrator Edwin Benn as impartial member and Chairman of Dispute Resolution Board. The Lodge appointee to the Board is FOP President Mark Donahue. The City appointee to the Board is David Johnson.
Scheduling & Process
We will meet with the City and the Arbitrator.
1. A list of Disputed Issues will be filed.
2. Meet for oral discussion of Disputed Issues. (Background and Education for Arbitrator on the Issues)
3. Based upon feedback given by Arbitrator and any change in City position, the Lodge will submits its final offer on the Disputed Issues. [The Lodge will propose 4-6 weeks for all of above to occur.]
4. Parties will submit briefs in support of their final offers. [Lodge will propose 30 days for briefs to be filed.]
5. Parties will file response briefs to the other party’s brief. [Lodge will propose 2 weeks for response briefs.]
6. Mediation sessions will be scheduled with the Arbitrator. [If the foregoing schedule is followed, Mediation should occur in December. The number of mediation dates will depend on the number of Disputed Issues.]
7. At the end of Mediation, the Arbitrator will determine whether he requires further evidence on any Disputed Issue. Parties will also advise Arbitrator if they want a full hearing on issues of Wages, Health Care, Discipline or other issues.
8. If the Arbitrator does not need any additional evidence and neither party requests a hearing, the Arbitrator will take the matter under advisement.
If additional evidence is necessary and/or a full hearing is required, dates will be set. [It is expected this would occur in January 2010. If additional hearings are conducted, post hearing briefs will be prepared.]
9. We would expect an Award to issue in March or April 2010.
So when the Contract is finally presented to the City Council and voted on, we'll either be one year out or (on an outside chance of a five-year deal) two years from expiration. It sure would be nice if the FOP could point out the City's inability to negotiate in good faith from the get-go based solely on the recent "negotiations." This is ridiculous.
Labels: contract stuff
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
57 Comments:
Da Mare wanted this to bypass the October Olympic announcement.
If Chicago wins the city will settle and attempt to obtain a five year contract.
If Chicago loses the bid, expect the city/Mayor to rake us over the coals as hard as possible.
Mark Donahue better not use Gary, Indiana or any other Indiana department as a comparison.
Indiana is a "Right To Work" state and they pay ridicuously low wages/salaries.
All exempt rank officers in Indiana retire at their last patrolmans salary, regardless of time in rank.
There is nothing like your own union selling you out.
Why does it matter? Why not going to anything Sgts and Lts both have contracts on the table with zero raises.
A little tid-bit...
When the smoke clears in March or April and the retro checks are on the way, it would be nice if we would be paid the interest accrued on OUR money for nearly 3 years.
We recall being in consultation with someone from IRS at the conclusion of similar goofiness a few years back. The question was raised as to why retro was taxed as a windfall when taxes were paid on the money anyway i.e. what ever the difference is between the old pay rate and the new one.
Any experts want to weigh in on this?
It is a sin and a shame the Police have to go through this. We reckon being the peace makers in this city isn't such a blessed thing after all.
Blago's book The Governor is out in stores. I hope that he finally realizes that his ace out, is to drop the hammer and nail all these crooks to the wall.
WTF ... The entire mediation process should and could be concluded in no longer than a month.
do you think the teachers would have waited three years--- hell no, it would have been a strike vote... we unfortunately do not have the option to strike so we do other things, ticket slow down, quit killing crime, hit the medical more often, lay down on jobs, bitch on this blog.... at the end of the day the city will give what it wants to give, nothing will change that.....
Yippeee..Mark Down-on-Daley-hue is the negotiator for the FOP. Isn't that special...
You guys are fucked...
It sure would be nice if the FOP could point out the City's inability to negotiate in good faith from the get-go based solely on the recent "negotiations." This is ridiculous.
We have "professional" contract negotiators, be patient and let them help the city. Everything is going to be all right.
I certainly idealize the FOP is going to present a lot of "evidence" of the city crying poor mouth; Whereby they'd saved tons of money not hiring 200 new hires they'd promised before the millions of federal grant monies for the new "30" officers.
That they're buying land for the "olympic village" at a time "reportedly" the Olympic location had yet to be determined.
That they'd laid off so many city workers, then awarded a $3 million contract to the Teamsters, to do what the laid off employees were doing .
etc, etc, etc,
Whooo Hoooo - July is an awesome month to receive my retro check!!
You forgot one step in your list of actions:
(1A) Meet with Shortshanks for instructions on which issues to refuse to consider
It sure would be nice if the FOP could point out the City's inability to negotiate in good faith from the get-go based solely on the recent "negotiations." This is ridiculous.
You cant get a cushy county job that way.
Dunp Weis,no dump mark tee shirts $10 start selling them at fop hall
The teachers union who produce shit results get their contract expedited always, but cpd has always a fight,and the firemen don't do shit just the "me to" clause!
Look at todays suntimes all the 6 figure+ people hired with the olympic bids! All daleys friends and family a huge salary for a bunch of idiots! only in the land of complete corruption shitcago!
Didn’t arbitrator Benn settle our last contract?
I saw the topic title, i thought they were talking about the average time each tac team has. But then i remembered that was too high.
Teamsters....MASTERS..HA!
If we belong to the FOP why don't we ask them to send us some top notch people to negotiate this for us. Would it not be in their best interest to show other departments around the nation that they can get a good contract for a city as large as chicago? Like the union that represents NYPD did. If we lose out on this one why would any department want FLOP to represent them? Why even pay dues and have a union? we only get what the city offered in the end. Tell me that's not true, look at the last 2 contracts. And we should use New York and LA as examples not Gary which is only as large as one district. What union represents New York? I say we switch to them look at the contract they got. FLOP does not care because they know we are suckers and would not ever push them out. We are pussys, I say fuck them if they do not get us a good deal this time and switch to the union that represents New York, thats good business.
Yippeee..Mark Down-on-Daley-hue is the negotiator for the FOP. Isn't that special...
You guys are fucked...
9/01/2009 02:37:00 AM
Oh and don't forget Mark refused the 16.1% increases this past year. As long as he is getting his fat salary and new car, what the fuck does he care about anyone else. OH,and he can retire 55 and out...fucker...
Bend over
RETRO CHECKS? FOOL
Anonymous said...
Why does it matter? Why not going to anything Sgts and Lts both have contracts on the table with zero raises.
9/01/2009 01:15:00 AM
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What a bunch of rubs. Unless this is your first contract you sound like a bunch of 13 year old girls texting each other. And you nit wits are my back up?
Two weeks ago I was at the retirement info meeting and even the city pension guy said they are prepared to cut retro checks to the people who leave in the next year. He said that your health care is good to go to medicare age. FOP, city benefits office and pension board all say you have health care past 2013 but listen to the rubs instead! Buy out checks, retro checks and widows pension - I’m rolling in dough. If you can retire at 75% go for it. You’ll live a lot longer if your don’t have listen to Wayne, Sean and Jagnuts and the rest of the rocket scientists you see posting here. Maybe get off your ass and go to a meeting and afterwards if you don’t want to make a ass of your self at the mic ask some questions one - on - one. Either way this is not the same group of peple I came on the job with 31 years ago. Now all we have is muscle heads and pea brains.
Anonymous said...
Mark Donahue better not use Gary, Indiana or any other Indiana department as a comparison.
Indiana is a "Right To Work" state and they pay ridicuously low wages/salaries.
All exempt rank officers in Indiana retire at their last patrolmans salary, regardless of time in rank.
There is nothing like your own union selling you out.
9/01/2009 12:42:00 AM
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I don't know what difference any of this would make, even if it were true, but Indiana may pay low wages, but it is definitely NOT a right to work state. I didn't know they had exempt ranks in Indiana.
Anonymous said...
Why does it matter? Why not going to anything Sgts and Lts both have contracts on the table with zero raises.
9/01/2009 01:15:00 AM
They both have me too clauses. If FOP gets any money, so will they. They just won't pay out of their pockets to reap the rewards, they ride for free on our shirttails. It's the cheap way out. Why fight for a raise, when you can get it for free with FOP?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
do you think the teachers would have waited three years--- hell no, it would have been a strike vote... we unfortunately do not have the option to strike so we do other things, ticket slow down, quit killing crime, hit the medical more often, lay down on jobs, bitch on this blog.... at the end of the day the city will give what it wants to give, nothing will change that.....
9/01/2009 02:08:00 AM
Sorry brother. I disagree with you. Where I work at, all of the two year wonders are out there bringing in arrests, writing tickets, impounding cars, etc...
They are out there working while we don't even have a contract.
The sky is falling. Give me a break and act like ya got a pair. You will get your $. Not as much as you want but it never is.
You want to blame your negotiators,what a joke. Do you think they can force the city to negotiate in good faith? You want to strike? Then you should not be a cop.
We alll know there would be plenty of $ if the machine did not steal it that is the issue not FOP.
Go to a union meeting and the pension board hearings. Call your elected officials,oh wait that's to muck work it's much easier to spread misinformation here.
Is the immediate launching of WEISel/Masters part of the arbitration package being discussed?
We need to protest.
Hope the recent NYC contract helps you guys out.
---not a cop
We need another mayor.
Big City Police (Ret.) said...
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********* NEWS FLASH *********
In a News Release today from the Office of The Mayorette of The City of Chicago, Maggie Daley has announced her unwavering support of Chicago Police Academy Commoner Rude Wedster in the ongoing ethics investigation regarding "TicketGate". As proof that there was NO IMPROPRIETY INVOLVED, the Magster points to her own situation regarding her FREE FLIGHTS on EduCap's $31 million dollar private jet. "Hey, I didn't hijack that plane!", Maggie Daley said "so STFU and MYOB. Ruth and I did nothing you should be concerned about."
In a related development, The Chicago Office of Special Events today announced that they are terminating their longtime partnership with TicketMaster as the Official ticket seller of The City of Chicago. Replacing TicketMaster is TicketWedster the new business venture of Rude Wedster of the CPD's Police Academy.
The announcement further states that ALL future Olympic ticket sales will be through TicketWedster as will tickets to all benefits located at or sponsored by The Fraternal Order of Police.
The motto of the new venture: "TicketWedster: We will Play while you PAY".
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8/31/2009 02:31:00 PM
Funny shit!
Donahue better mention New Yorks recent 20% over 4 yrs. Last i checked NY was in the United States too and this so called "depression" should affect them as well. But then again Daley isnt NYs mayor
Anonymous said...
Mark Donahue better not use Gary, Indiana or any other Indiana department as a comparison.
Indiana is a "Right To Work" state and they pay ridicuously low wages/salaries.
All exempt rank officers in Indiana retire at their last patrolmans salary, regardless of time in rank.
There is nothing like your own union selling you out.
9/01/2009 12:42:00 AM
Illinois is also a "Right To Work" state
I am all for ending the exempts dipping into our pension fund for their gold braid pension bump.
Best guess
Will win a pay raise, some retro money but the medical will be "adjusted". Probably not good for anyone who wishes to get older.
Everyone on the Board gets voted out next election. I believe in term limits and this is the perfect time come next election to say NO to all of them.
WE NEED A COUNT DOWN CLOCK TO THE END OF J-Fed's CONTRACT!
The Prez & Vice Prez were at roll call on the 31st and stated "in essence but not verbatim",That we will present to the arbitrator salaries of Suburbs in our state that are over and above the wages we make. No sense comparing to New york. They make less money than we do.
FOP has to fight the gold braid pensions and appointed rank pensions , forensic investigators,
merit captains , lts and sgts
Illinois has had a collective barging law for decades! There are 21 right to work states and we are not one of them nit wit. Where do come up with this b.s.
Why does the F.O.P. put this out like I am supposed to have this warm and fuzzy feeling that my contract that expired over 2 years ago may finaly START being approved. What a joke, I have been screwed for the past 2 years and now I'm supposed to feel happy !!! Get real F.O.P. You have no bite AND no bark. The city knows there is nothing you can do to force their hand and you just sit around with your thumbs up your ass and when Daley finaly said let's settle this you pound your chest and say look what we did for you.
Either way this is not the same group of peple I came on the job with 31 years ago. Now all we have is muscle heads and pea brains.
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Many of the goofs running this place came on the job right around when you did and they are doing a fantastic job of destroying it.
Illinois is also a "Right To Work" state
I am all for ending the exempts dipping into our pension fund for their gold braid pension bump.
9/01/2009 05:59:00 PM
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Sorry, there is a 50 percent chance to be correct on this, and you are wrong. Illinois and Indiana and most other heavily industrial states are NOT right to work states. See this link: http://www.nrtw.org/rtws.htm. Just like everyone else Exempt rank personnel pay in at their current pay grade, and collect in the same manner. By the time you figure out the City's double contribution on the part of everyone, the Exempt pay-in helps keep the pensio afloat.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Why does it matter? Why not going to anything Sgts and Lts both have contracts on the table with zero raises.
9/01/2009 01:15:00 AM
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What a bunch of rubs. Unless this is your first contract you sound like a bunch of 13 year old girls texting each other. And you nit wits are my back up?
Two weeks ago I was at the retirement info meeting and even the city pension guy said they are prepared to cut retro checks to the people who leave in the next year. He said that your health care is good to go to medicare age. FOP, city benefits office and pension board all say you have health care past 2013 but listen to the rubs instead! Buy out checks, retro checks and widows pension - I’m rolling in dough. If you can retire at 75% go for it. You’ll live a lot longer if your don’t have listen to Wayne, Sean and Jagnuts and the rest of the rocket scientists you see posting here. Maybe get off your ass and go to a meeting and afterwards if you don’t want to make a ass of your self at the mic ask some questions one - on - one. Either way this is not the same group of peple I came on the job with 31 years ago. Now all we have is muscle heads and pea brains.
9/01/2009 10:10:00 AM
Hey you fucking jagoff, I am not a rub been around for twenty years and I wrote that quote.
Illinois is also a "Right To Work" state
I am all for ending the exempts dipping into our pension fund for their gold braid pension bump.
9/01/2009 05:59:00 PM
No it is not you stupid misinformed fuck. Illinois is a prevailing wage state.
Give me a break and act like ya got a pair. You will get your $. Not as much as you want but it never is. You want to blame your negotiators,what a joke.
I agree, the tactic of drawing out the inevitable arbitration process looks like another joke. I say inevitable because FLOP was content from day one of negotiations to play footsie with King Dick the Two's agenda. It's a good thing for the City that the FLOP made such an unpersuasive argument about the City's lack of good faith negotiation during the last contract cycle. You remember, the contract that resulted from binding arbitration? Just like this one will?
Do you think they can force the city to negotiate in good faith? You want to strike? Then you should not be a cop.
Thanks for the excuse filled pep talk. You know how to tow the company line. You're right, I shouldn't be a cop, I should be a FLOP hack. It pays better and is less stressful.
We alll know there would be plenty of $ if the machine did not steal it that is the issue not FOP.
If "we" all know about the machine stealing $, why does the FLOP refuse to use this common knowledge to our advantage? Because they're in bed with King Dick the Two. That is the issue.
Go to a union meeting and the pension board hearings.
And find out for yourself how our "professional" FLOP contract negotiating team worked their asses off to bring us to the point where we haven't had a current contract since '07 AND will have to wait at least another six months for the next one. And pay close attention when they say "because of the economy," they had to wait over two years before good faith negotiations could be considered to be at an impasse. Bullshit.
Call your elected officials,oh wait that's to muck work it's much easier to spread misinformation here.
Not as easy as it is for the FLOP to spread it's legs and let the City have their way with us.
THIS CITY IS SOOOOO FUCKING CORRUPT I JUST CANT SEE THIS WORKING OUT IN OUR FAVOR.EITHER WAY WE'RE GOING TO GET FUCKED AND MARK WILL HELP THE MAYOR FUCK US.
WE'RE SCREWED.....KEEP BUSTING YOUR ASS FOR THIS DEPARTMENT YOU FOOLS.
CAN THE CFD VOTE THE FOP OUT?????
Anonymous said...
Everyone on the Board gets voted out next election. I believe in term limits and this is the perfect time come next election to say NO to all of them.
9/01/2009 06:32:00 PM
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Wayne, Sean, and Jagnuts as long as there are more than 10 members with a brain you will never be elected to ANYTHING!
Wayne, Sean, and Jagnuts as long as there are more than 10 members with a brain you will never be elected to ANYTHING!
Obviosuly, the members don't have brains because they are not educated in the antics and corruption of the FOP board. We shall see the how the makeup of the next election changes things.
SCC,
Be careful with the FOP and arbitration. I previously worked for a dept. that had the FOP and we got our ass handed to us twice at arbitration. After the second time we got rid of the FOP. We were in a similiar situation with crap benefits and below average pay. They took away our comp time the first time and the raises we got were nothing to write about. The second time they jacked up our health insurance 140%. Hopefully your lodge has their stuff together or prepare to get screwed.
Useless FOP (fuck over police) should have demanded arbitration long ago. C'mon, we all know they are in hizzzonners pocket. Thats why Nolan got a huge job at traffic court. Time for changes. When do we elect a new bargaining unit?
Lt.'s settled their contract, which was done via password protected secret e-mails; more proof of Us versus Them.
It's time to think about changing the makeup of the FOP. We need to sell the building, put the money in the membership fund, limit board members to 7, and only have one vice president. The salaries paid to Donahue, et al, is what keeps them from securing a contract for us. Why bite the hand that feeds them? Get rid of all the baggage for the good of the membership..
2 years and 9 months without a pay increase while the teachers and most city union workers received a 4 % raise each year for 5 years
also receive 80 % pension
city takes care of cpd that are rewarded pay raise by merit promotions
FYI: The Lt.'s have not approved their contract at this time. The password protected information is only for members to view the proposed portions of the pending contract. The ballots have been sent out and should be counted by the end of Sept. Believe it or not, when it comes to dealing with the city, all the non-exempt ranks are pretty much in the same boat: Screwed.
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