55 and Out Not Working
This was supposed to be both the saving grace and doom of the Department. "Saving" $23 million in an era of $500 million dollar deficits. "Doom" in potentially shorting the Department an additional couple of hundred officers.
But it doesn't seem to be working either way:
But it doesn't seem to be working either way:
Chicago Police officers are not exactly beating down the door to take advantage of Mayor Daley's offer to extend premium health benefits to those who retire at age 55.
In fact, unless 100 more eligible officers line up before the Oct. 1 deadline -- joining the 60-plus who've signed on already -- the deal is off. And the $23 million Chicago taxpayers desperately need to save will be lost.
Fran seems to be implying that if 100 more cops don't retire, it's all the fault of the police (and not Shortshanks' years of chronic mismanagement) that the city will continue it's careening slide toward insolvency.
$23 million is 4.4% of Daley's $520 million shortfall in 2010. We foresee a lot more layoffs coming with those types of numbers.
$23 million is 4.4% of Daley's $520 million shortfall in 2010. We foresee a lot more layoffs coming with those types of numbers.
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posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
152 Comments:
In my book If one is eligible to take this deal, one should run, not walk to to it
retirement is great I wish I could have had free insurance for TEN years
Daley should be happy. We must love this job so much that we don't want to leave.
OT
Watch the video
Could you imagine a WHITE CHICAGO COP saying this to a black man?!
Imagine the S- Storm!
get a LIFE!
How come no mention of the fight outside of club E on the Northwest side. Three blocks from Ald. Allens house. 40 squads responed. Gang bangers not from the are but came in from the west side rented the place out. This is the 16th 1/3 of the police dept lives in this area. 40 squads only one arrest is City Hall trying to keep numbers down. http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2009/08/cops-quell-gang-melee-on-northwest-side.html
Ah HAH!
Now 42 extra-short's end game begins now that the 55 and overs aren't biting on this enticement to leave.
We've looked at this over and over and have come to several possibilities (as have others) as to why this trial balloon was floated before the money matters are finally agreed upon.
We do have nagging suspicions as to why all the funny hats & confetti over $23 million in savings in the face of a half billion dollar projected shortfall.
It's just one of those kind of things that make us go "hold the fuck on, drive around the block again." We wonder what the numbers really are... Not what shortshanks says they are. (Referrence our prior rants re: actual manpower vs. what's on paper vs. the city skimming the difference for the last 10 years at least in fed funding/king shorty shrinking manpower out of spite; blah, blah and blah again)
...Something's not quite right.
The city needs the money? Hell if Daley didn't give American Airlines 25 million dollars the city would be up 2 million and have the 23 million it needs. The people need to ditch Daley and get someone who is competent and cares about the public.
God bless the CPD and nobody else.
Boy, franny sure is a loyal daley whore, isn't she?
Sorry o.t.
Can anyone verify the latest rumor going around 025 about some memo, supposedly by the Commander, saying that no more white males are allowed on the gang and tact teams? Just females, hispanics, and blacks. It's probably bullshit, but if not, Whitey smells a lawsuit brewing. I'd like to think that they wouldn't be dumb enough to put that in writing, but then again, I've been fooled before.
Betcha Daley takes whatever retirements he can get. A little bit of something is better than a whole lot of nothing
O/T
Which country has the most control over the IOC ? come on po'S... read reaad read...hint: the present Ambassador to China said and presented,,,ummmm the PPR btw...
Now go here:
http://www.illicitohio.com/SBNO/splendid01.htm
I drove all around this crapland,
Somehow I thinK, the Old Man (RMDaley)
WOULD BE CRYING...
Any officer with 20 years of service who is age 55 is eligible to retire with this plan. (correct me if i'm wrong).
The first group needs 160 officers,
(1 Nov 2009 to 31 March 2010, and must file by 1 Oct 2009).
The next group needs 130 officers,
(1 April 2010 to 31 Dec 2010, and must file by 1 Jan 2010).
After that it's 100 per year, who must file by 1 Oct 2010 for 2011, etc.
The problem here is asking someone to commit that far ahead to leave the job. Our needs can change in a heartbeat. Each officer knows what is best for he/she, but the insurance savings is a huge savings that you keep in your pocket, plus many are afraid to try something new with the date of 1 Jan 2010 so close (extra vacation checks, pay for unused days, raise money if we ever get any) that I see many waiting for the second round (when only 130 is needed) to bail out.
But if you really want to go, file now, and if the number is not there, you can still back out and go for the next round.
Let's not bash these guys/gals for not trusting the FOP or the City on such a Major change.
Major Hall!
To hell with Shortshanks and his Little bitch Fren Speilf--k (yea the idiot asskisser from the slum times). Fuck that 55 and out. Does anyone really believe Shortshit is giving us a good deal? Saving 23 Million with over a 523 Million deficit budget to be used for Shortfucks olympics is nothing. Maybe Shanks can send his people out at 0200hrs. and destroy another "Meigs Field" and get away with the shit. Fuck you Shortfuck and your kiss ass useless wench Fran Spielman.
When 55 and out was proposed in contract negotiations years ago, the City said no. And then they said no again, and then in later discussions, they said no again.
NOW, ALL OF A SUDDEN, IT'S A GOOD IDEA? What has changed? Why is the Stuttering Prick okay with the idea today when he wasn't a decade ago? Why is it suddenly SOOO important that it not only is being offered SEPARATE from a FULLY negotiated contract, but also is attached to a time limit of October 1st? And what connection is there to Obama's healthcare reform in Washington? Will the City be able to avoid paying for the retirees healthcare insurance, COMPLETELY, by forcing them into Obamacare, whatever that turns out to be? All are valid questions begging for answers.
The problem with negotiating a contract with the Daley/Burke Crime Families is that you have to TRUST the Daley/Burke Crime Families to bargain in good faith, but isn't that really a lot like asking the Devil not to be evil to the core???
Fran is more than implying, she's touting the daley propaganda.
And Mark's comments are typical of the cynical shit and daley yes man he is.
Instead of seeing this as an opportunity to emphasis the dedication felt by many seasoned officers, to continue to serve and protect the city's working citizens, dumb old marko chooses to use his reasons for not retiring as an explanation applied to all.
Another opportunity to speak to the heart of the matter, ie., the midget's grossly criminal neglect of the citizen's safety, missed by the markster.
It might help if you could get into a retirement seminar. Next one isn't until Oct 27 and it has been filled for a few months. I don't have the full amoint of time, but would consider retiring if I could get in the seminar!
I think if the contract was settled more coppers would retire. The bad economy has alot of oldtimers working O'hare, CHA, CTA, etc, etc. That has to have some affect on guys not putting in their papers.
First of all who in the FLOP agreed that we had to get 160 to retire by oct 1st then 130 the following year then 100 the following year? Fuck shortshanks in any way you can DO NOT RETIRE!!!! This plan doesnt cost him a dime and he's going to put these figures out on how many need to retire by such and such date and we dont even have a contract??? Fuck You Daley! I'm not retiring until this contract is resolved and I am one of those officers eligeable for retirement now. If he fucks us with this contract I'm not leaving till I'm 63. Fuck Daley. Bleed this thieving bastard!
OH and P.S.- Fuck you Fran and the rest you your ilk.
word is the Obama health care proposal has an item that will allow the City to dump these 55+ guys into the national health (death) plan. That figures, when it really gets down to it, Daley will NEVER do something nice for the guys who have served him all those years, they are nothing but a budget line item he wants to dump...welcome to national health care! Hey, be patriotic already and just die!
Went to the meeting on 26 Aug. close to 30 are leaving 15 Nov or 15 Jan. No one had put in their PAR for yet. Most do not want to get screwed with in their units, so will wait till last week of Sep. If you look at last year's Nov 1 to March 31 retirements it was well over 100.
could be a combination of things...some of these old guys got nothing better to do than show up for work in their golden years. could be they took a massive hit in their def comp and dont want to pull the plug til the market turns around.this is their life for many...and they wont let go.
So those who signed up to retire are screwed? No insurance then from 55 up?
I have the time but not the age. I cant leave yet.What the fuck is wrong with these coppers? Are they all talk and no action? Do they not have a life outside of this SHIT DEPARTMENT? You CAN always find another job and with the free health and a pension you're gonna bring home a lot more than you do now.
GET A LIFE!
I/F
again not working because city puts restrictions nov - march
2010 nov , dec only
many officers have anniversary dates after march and are feeling forced to leave
no pay raises before officers retire
it appears city gave a take it or leave it offer
if only 50 officers want to retire this year let them go why the mandatory 160 must leave
take it to the press , 1 man units down cars everyday on all watches leave the citizens of chicago unsafe and most important put our officers in danger
all this while politicians have armed valets
How about just forgetting the age limit. 20 and out would be nice.
I will be on 27 years when I hit age 55. Don't want to stay that long.
I do not understand why a officer who has the age and is maxed out for the pension, does not retire? If the medical insurance is free then leave? Why stay here? How many officers are maxed out between 55-60 years old? Why do they stay? The pay is the same after retirement. There is life after retirement. Such a sad state of affairs.
THE MAYOR NEEDS TO LAY OFF HIS FRIENDS WHO DO NOTING FOR BIG DOLLARS. ONCE AGAIN,HAVING ONLY 25 ALDERMEN WILL SAVE APPROXIMATELY 40 MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR. VOTE ALL INCUMBENTS OUT. VOTE VOTE VOTE
little OT from yesterday
All the complaints about the dispatchers is simply put that they are "sympathetic minorities" to their hood and were hired as minority quota from their political wards....
Not pro police......just pro hood
NOW.....Daley only made the 55 medical proposal cause he figured that OBAMA CARE would kick in and all retirees would be covered for free
This was a special limited time offer for certain "special" people.
The deal is not off as you stated. It is just delayed until the 01 Jan 2010 deadline. At that time a 130 future retirees must sign up.
Could this be because maybe Shortshank put that out there so quick that we were caught off guard, or that out contract is not settled. After years of fighting for this and being stoned walled he finally gave it up so that he would look good in the press. Please Fran pull your head out of your ass,how can you believe anything he says, see Da Mayor for what he really is a lying piece of Sh*t.Just remember our contract is not going to break the city's budget, the aldercrooks, relatives,and 2016 will and lets not forget how much Da mayor can stuff into his own pockets for his retirement net egg. Lets see how many go on the next round if the contract is settled.
Wake up people! This is something not to pass up! Look at the numbers and get your papers in. This actually makes sense for those of us who qualify.
Donahue blows it again.!! He and the mayor (his people) demonstrate they dont understand the economic realities of retiring. Is it that hard to understand guys interested in retiring want to know what their economic package will be when they go. In other words, It's about the contract stupid!!! Donahue had another oportunity to put it on the mayor and didn't..Instead Dumbahue calls police officers procrastinators ."stupid is as stupid does"..
Off Topic: Just another reason why it sucks to be a Chicago Police Officer - Complete unfairness in sentencing when caught banging crack whores.
Former Chicago Police Sergeant, John Herman was sentenced to 21 years in prison. He was accused of raping a woman while on duty. Projected parole date 10/16/2027.
Former Waukegan police officer Delatwan Haynes was sentenced to two years in prison Friday. He was accused of raping a woman while on duty in January 2008.
Most of the 55+ plus guys have cush jobs if they were pushing a beat car they would retire, so now it will be back to 60, oh well 6 more for me! Hair gel warning just more special until you grow some whiskers on the job!!
The problem is the city threw this at you guys too fast. There was no time to plan and too many people that have to hang on the the job for a while.
The city should just keep it going for another year.
On a side note, FUCK DALEY AND ALL HIS ALDERFUCKS. I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE THEM ALL IN FEDERAL PRISON. YOU ALL SCREWED UP THIS CITY BECAUSE OF YOUR GREED. BURN IN HELL MOTHERFUCKERS.
Masters
If we had a contract, I'm sure a lot of eligible offices would be lining up at the door!!!
What advantages does one have where you can stay on until you are forced out at 63 and still make the kind of money and benefits everyone else seems to lack. This is job security at it's defining moment!Hell no we won't go.
Scc, just wanted to let you know fellow cpd officerike russow is fighting Justin mcnully in the ufc tonight on pay per view. He is on the undercard but there is a chance he could make the pay per view. The ufc is the big leagues of mma and usually gets about 1000000 buys so this is a bog deal. Congrats and good luck mike.
I love that 'Donahoe' was quoted as stated something to the effect of "Police and Procrastination start with the same first letter"...
Yeah, so does Police and PAY ME! As in contract and retro, douchebag.
Settle the contract.
Guys will retire.
55 and Out is one of the biggest benefits ever offered to the rank and file. If over the years you played your cards right, you should have enough equity in your life to pull the plug and even be young enough to get another side job that you enjoy just to keep you busy. You get to leave this shit city, live longer without the stress and enjoy the rest of your life. I hope this benefit is still there when its my turn.
Please tell me why the city would say "160 officers must retire by such and such date, or the deal goes south?"
Why would the city do that? This can only benefit the city, and eventually, this deal will get guys to retire.
Why would they even threaten to w/draw the deal?
if the contract was completed and retro check on the way you would see the number of retirees the city is looking for.
ahhhhhhhhhhhh to bad.with only 8200 police on the job how many can we lose.OH JODY HELP US.
And this is the city that thinks it wants to host the Olympic games.
If we can't afford enough police in normal times, how will we handle security for the games?
We talked about this among yourselves in roll call. Some CMA Club Members are making the most money they have ever made, making over a $1000 working specials on their days off. Some CMAs are scared of the unknown, don't know what to do with themselves without CPD. Some CMAs are on their second or third families and again don't know what to do with themselves without CPD. Choose well my CMA brothers.
Its a bad idea considering that the pension is 37% funded and the Outfit is about to bust the city out when the Olympics thievery really gets going.
Hold onto your jobs. The problem is coming from the offer the city made the supervisors: NO raise in exchange for the 55/health care deal.
The Sgts. and Lts. better vote NO on their contracts or its going to set an evil precedent of accepting contracts with no raises.
All ranks need to stand together on this one. NYPD just got 20%. The Chicago Outfit that runs this city can afford at least that.....Fuck them.
sorry but if I was 55 and had the time, IM GONE!!! Stop fucking whining about the job if you arent willing to take this offer and run. And quit bitching that the FOP doesnt do anyhting, you got what you wanted and now seem shocked and dont want to leave. What the fuck is wrong with you people? i have 10 yrs and Im 33yo, if i was 55 i would have signed a long fucking time ago
They should have sold the meters for 520 million more and we would have been even. They could auction off the bean. Some crazy billionaire can put in in his backyard. Microsoft can have a bean in front of their corporate offices! We can throw in a few cows for free along with a row of Olympic seats.
don't panic it'll work
it's a big decision for old timers
might be worried about no retro pay
I was going to retire but then I saw that 003rd District still has 30 openings.....So I'm there, can't wait to put my bid in... I just hope that some one with more seniority don't beat me out !!! Will it be double dipping since I will be working there and Burger King at the same time ???
Waaaiiiit just a minute...
Isn't the $23 million in projected savings awfully close to some $25 million king short needs for some olympic nonsense tie-in before the October announcement by the ioc?? We would find & referrence but we're tired.
Keep sounding the alarm.
Why would anyone retire at 55, especially since the job market is in the tank? You think someone would hire anyone over 50 nowadays? We have kids in college, who would pay for tuition on a retirement annunity? Tread lightly before you take the plunge into retirement, there are strings attached somewhere. SOMEONE OTHER THAN US IS BENEFITING FROM 55 AND OUT, AND ITS NOT US..
i like having the old timers around.
THE REASON IS THEY CAN SOAK UP ALL THAT MEDICAL TIME FOR THOSE CHEST PAINS AND BACK PROBLEMS.
DIABETES RUNNING RAMPANT... EVERYONE NOTICES THE COPPER W/ THE BAD LIMP OR WHO CANT MOVE LIKE HE USED TOO. STICK AROUND MAKE IT AN IOD LIKE EVERY ONE ELSE. GUESS WHO PAY 4 IOD DA MAYOR.
IM NOT GOING TO WORRY ABOUT UR FINANCES WHEN U RETIRE. U CAN GET UR PENSION BUT DONT EXPECT MUCH OUT OF DEFERRED COMP. AND RETIRED COPPERS CAN MAKE ABOUT 15 $ AN HOUR AS A SECURITY GAURD SOMEWHERE.
PLUS WE ARE SHORT ON THE WATCH EITHER WAY AND IM NOT GOING TO SPEED UP AND FUCK UP MY BODY JUMPING FENCES AND BLOWING RED LIGHTS!
SO HOPEFULLY IF U DO RETIRE AT 55 U HAVE UR ACT TOGEATHER BECAUSE IF U DOONT IT WONBT BE PRETTY.
I'm waiting to see the financial end of the new contract... IF THERE'S NO RETRO PAY, THAT SCREWS THE POTENTIAL RETIREES OUT OF THOUSANDS!
If we get a retro, my papers are in the next day, but i don't trust da mare, and it'd be just like him to let us go retire, but at 2006 payrates.
No retro, I'll wait for another two or three years, taking advantage of the offer just prior to it's expiration...
I waited this long, and been gettin screwed by this administration so I'm used to it, what's another two or three years of driving around doing nothing?
Should be interesting...
For those talking blowmamacare, wether you stay or go I'm sure all of us will be rolled into that cluster fuck. The dumbocRATS want erveryone in it, with no more private insurance. It's the dumbocRATS cradle to grave philosophy, they just want to accelerate the grave end of it.
If I had the age I'd jump on it, but that's me. Everyone has to decide what's best for them. I think there will be last minute rush of par forms, but will there be enough to make the 160 is the question.
Anonymous said...
It might help if you could get into a retirement seminar. Next one isn't until Oct 27 and it has been filled for a few months. I don't have the full amoint of time, but would consider retiring if I could get in the seminar!
8/29/2009 05:24:00 AM
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Its been a while, but before I retired you could attend several retirement seminars. If that is still the case (Call Personnel for those of you that are too lazy to read orders), I suggest that you attend at least 2. One 5 years or more before you are eligible, and another a year or so before you leave.
I retired about 2 and one-half years ago. I had just turned 60 and received free health insurance. It was the best thing I ever did ( along with moving out of state).
Those that want to criticize, please remember that it is a big , life changing decision that is not taken lightly.
stay safe
old retired guy
A lot of the officer might not want to show their cards too early. You know some bosses might give them a hard time if they know they are about to retire.
Anonymous said...
Wake up people! This is something not to pass up! Look at the numbers and get your papers in. This actually makes sense for those of us who qualify.
8/29/2009 10:49:00 AM
Masters Masters Masters Masters
There is one more information session for the 55 health benefit this wednesday 02 Sep at 1700 headquarters media room. Sign up online or u can walk in. You will get ur questions answered, reps from FOP, Pension, Benefits , Deferred comp, Social security will all be there.
Anonymous said...
Off Topic: Just another reason why it sucks to be a Chicago Police Officer - Complete unfairness in sentencing when caught banging crack whores.
Former Chicago Police Sergeant, John Herman was sentenced to 21 years in prison. He was accused of raping a woman while on duty. Projected parole date 10/16/2027.
Former Waukegan police officer Delatwan Haynes was sentenced to two years in prison Friday. He was accused of raping a woman while on duty in January 2008.
8/29/2009 11:18:00 AM
Big difference, Dummy!
Herman, 42, was CONVICTED of aggravated criminal sexual assault, aggravated kidnapping and official misconduct.
Former Waukegan police officer Delatwan Haynes was NOT GUILTY for rape and kidnapping, but convicted of Official Misconduct for having sex in the police car and got 2 years IN JAIL.
I actually thought the Waukegan guy got a raw deal... Back in the day, they could've locked up the whole 018th District for that!
Box Chevy Phantom said...
Waaaiiiit just a minute...
Isn't the $23 million in projected savings awfully close to some $25 million king short needs for some olympic nonsense tie-in before the October announcement by the ioc?? We would find & referrence but we're tired.
Keep sounding the alarm.
8/29/2009 03:21:00 PM
RETIREES MUST FILE BEFORE 1 OCTOBER
IOC ANNOUNCES HOST CITY ON 2 OCTOBER
WHAT'S THE CONNECTION??????
COME ON, CRIME SOLVERS. WHAT IS IT?
don't retire at 55?
Gee? A copper wit a brain1
A lot of officers are waiting for a contract before they retire....and Oct 1st...isn't that the deadline for the Olympic bid? Can't they wait till that is said and done?
We talked about this among yourselves in roll call. Some CMA Club Members are making the most money they have ever made, making over a $1000 working specials on their days off. Some CMAs are scared of the unknown, don't know what to do with themselves without CPD. Some CMAs are on their second or third families and again don't know what to do with themselves without CPD. Choose well my CMA brothers.
8/29/2009 02:24:00 PM
WTF is a CMA? Country Music Awards? Canadian Medical Associates? WTF...........
"CMA" ???
Cuddle my ass? Curtail my ass? Country Music Awards?
What the hell are you smoking?
IS THIS TRUE?
Notice to Retirees
If you are approaching Medicare age (65), make sure you and your spouse get any dental work or eyeglasses before the first day of the month in which you turn 65.
You become Medicare eligible the first day of the month of your 65th birthday. Once you become Medicare eligible you lose your dental and vision coverage, and the City will not pay those bills.
It should be noted that, as it stands now, the City has said that there will be no medical insurance for retirees after January 1, 2013.
Thus the "free insurance" aspect of this special retirement package would only be good for about 3 years, as things now stand. It is unknown, at this time, what the real consequences of nationalized health insurance or whatever you want to call the so called "reform" legislation.
As far as retirement goes, one size does not fit all. We are lucky that we have options regarding when we retire. Everyone has different life circumstances and has to do their own math and decide for themselves when the time is right.
I retired over 3 years ago at age 56 with almost 30 years of service. I am extremely happy as a retiree. Retiring felt like winning a modest lotto jackpot with a lifelong annuity. It's a great feeling that I hope you can all have.
God Bless all of you that are still on the job. Be safe and keep the faith!
--Ret. Det.
Cops have a hard time letting go. The job is a big part of their identity. THAT is why the numbers are low, not any of these other excuses thrown out there.
God bless the old timers, but the ones that wait until the very end look very tired and not happy.
The earlier you retire the longer you live. That is a statistical fact.
this issue is that we get a shitty pension deal and most can't afford to leave the job. Give us 55 retire plus 80% pension and see how many run for the door. But then again Shortshanks can't let us use his expense account our pension.
you will not see many 55 and over leave until the contract is settled..I dont blame them.
If you that can don't your nuts . If you haven't saved for your retirement your nuts. If you say that you can't make on a retirement pension your nuts . It's all out there for you to take advantage of, just down size and move out of that shit city & county to a place where eveything is a lot more reasonable then where your at now.The earlier you go the more time you have to draw that pension that you've worked for your entire career . I would rather retire early and get my money then retire late and have my wife make a smaller amount because of my death . Ther little old lady at 11th & St . told me you have to live the month in order to get paid for the month and the more months you live the more the city has to pay you . It's been 10 years and counting for me and I'm 65 now and I hope I can draw many more pension checks.
Its a bad idea considering that the pension is 37% funded and the Outfit is about to bust the city out when the Olympics thievery really gets going.
Hold onto your jobs. The problem is coming from the offer the city made the supervisors: NO raise in exchange for the 55/health care deal.
The Sgts. and Lts. better vote NO on their contracts or its going to set an evil precedent of accepting contracts with no raises.
All ranks need to stand together on this one. NYPD just got 20%. The Chicago Outfit that runs this city can afford at least that.....Fuck them.
8/29/2009 02:40:00 PM
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Here's one sergeant voting NO. No back pay, depend on whatever FOP gets from an arbiter? Sorry, Richie, I'm not selling out for the medical coverage. You want us out so badly, let us go with no strings attached. I can wait another year to leave.
We talked about this among yourselves in roll call. Some CMA Club Members are making the most money they have ever made, making over a $1000 working specials on their days off. Some CMAs are scared of the unknown, don't know what to do with themselves without CPD. Some CMAs are on their second or third families and again don't know what to do with themselves without CPD. Choose well my CMA brothers.
8/29/2009 02:24:00 PM
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What the hell is CMA? Me, I'm KMA.
Some of us "old timers" are still regrouping from sending our children through private schools, kindergarten to college, while paying our mortgages, health bills for us and our kids, helping our parents as they age with money and helping our grown kids too. So, yes, some of us can't retire right now. Times are not the best so don't condemn us. We have to do what we have to do. We would love to retire and get out of here.
Why would anyone retire at 55, especially since the job market is in the tank? You think someone would hire anyone over 50 nowadays? We have kids in college, who would pay for tuition on a retirement annunity? Tread lightly before you take the plunge into retirement, there are strings attached somewhere. SOMEONE OTHER THAN US IS BENEFITING FROM 55 AND OUT, AND ITS NOT US..
8/29/2009 03:40:00 PM
Have junior and sissy get student loans and you pick up the incidental expenses (books, loan interest, and food). Retire and get off the couch and get a job that pays $12/hour. No one will like you if you sit in your underware and watch porn all day. Don't expect to land another $85K job. Have them work part time either on campus or off. Start treating them like adults (cut the strings) and maybe when they graduate in six years they will move out of your house. Enjoy your retirement. They have the rest of their life's to pay for their education.
Sorry o.t.
Can anyone verify the latest rumor going around 025 about some memo, supposedly by the Commander, saying that no more white males are allowed on the gang and tact teams? Just females, hispanics, and blacks. It's probably bullshit, but if not, Whitey smells a lawsuit brewing. I'd like to think that they wouldn't be dumb enough to put that in writing, but then again, I've been fooled before.
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Not sure an actual memo was sent but I heard straight out of a certian LT's mouth that they won't take any more white males on the teams anymore. But if you have 2 years on your good as long as your hispanic!
"Some CMA Club Members are making the most money they have ever made, making over a $1000 working specials on their days off."
Country Music Association? Like Garth Brooks& Tim McGraw?
Or did you mean KMA?SHIT FOR BRAINS
Has anyone thought about the possibility that the city KNOWS they won't get the mandatory-minimum number of officers, and that's why they attached a deadline? This way, they can coax those on the fence into retirement under the guise of getting something, then take it away after their papers are in?
This is a no Brainer 75% of your Pay and Free Health Insurance for not coming to Work.Officers the earlier you retire the more years you collect your pension checks.Some of these OLD Timers have nothing going on in there Life and come to work just to Bitch.GET A HOBBY and MOVE ON.There is LIfe Beyond the CPD.
Your filter is clogged.
Fran seems to be "implying" that if 100 more cops don't retire, the deal is off.
"find a job with free health and a pension,"
You are out of touch with the real world.
"The pay is the same after retirement."
And that explains why.
Most jobs do not offer free health insurance. Few jobs offer a pension any more. I've never even heard of a job offering the same pay in retirement as while fully employed.
Anonymous said...
word is the Obama health care proposal has an item that will allow the City to dump these 55+ guys into the national health (death) plan. That figures, when it really gets down to it, Daley will NEVER do something nice for the guys who have served him all those years, they are nothing but a budget line item he wants to dump...welcome to national health care! Hey, be patriotic already and just die!
8/29/2009 07:12:00 AM
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I fully agree with this post. I don't trust Daley or Obama and I think Daley may try todump that national heath care on us
no one is going to have free health care after 2013/Korshak, if you qualify now, your nuts if you dont go..get what you can now.
The numbers target 400+ officers..coincidently...obamama is funding 400 officers.
Thats the only plan if there is one.
An oppurtunity or windfall albeit at the city's behest but 400 p.o.'s can benefit big time.
That typical cynisism that we seem to acquire shouldn't get in the way of a good thing. Sometimes we can come out ahead, even if by luck. Take the 55 + out. live a life.
"Your filter is clogged.
Fran seems to be "implying" that if 100 more cops don't retire, the deal is off.
8/29/2009 11:43:00 PM"
'And the $23 million Chicago taxpayers desperately need to save will be lost.'
And what the fuck is 'your filter is clogged' supposed to mean?
Anonymous said...
First of all who in the FLOP agreed that we had to get 160 to retire by oct 1st then 130 the following year then 100 the following year? Fuck shortshanks in any way you can DO NOT RETIRE!!!! This plan doesnt cost him a dime and he's going to put these figures out on how many need to retire by such and such date and we dont even have a contract??? Fuck You Daley! I'm not retiring until this contract is resolved and I am one of those officers eligeable for retirement now. If he fucks us with this contract I'm not leaving till I'm 63. Fuck Daley. Bleed this thieving bastard!
8/29/2009 06:48:00 AM
I'll bet the Mayor is shitting in his pants right now after reading your post
Youre going to show him a thing or two aint cha
Many of us in this position to leave at 55 are waiting for the contract and will not put our papers in until the last minute. After this many years, you think any of us are going to trust them now and show our hand?
This is a stupid news article. It means nothing. Don't fret.
Do not retire, this is good for the Mayor not for us. Here is a question that needs to be asked: Why is the City piece mealing this contract? Because they are fucking us a little bit at a time and think we are too stupid to notice.
Contracts are presented and agreed upon as a whole binding document not in bits and pieces.
Brothers and sisters do not accept any sort of modified watch assignments, or retirement agreements until a contract is ratified.
Please SCC print this as this important to everyone that still wears a BLUE SHIRT.
Do not let the supervisors influence any ideas you have, as it is a violation of our contract to even have them discuss such matters. If they try, file a grievance, they already got their stripes, bars, and gold stars we do not.
It is what is good for the working police that matters, and fuck everything else.
Sorry I meant KMA not CMA, I was drunk then and I am now, so I'll stop typing. Enjoy retirement KMAs!
Is 20 years the max a NYPD officer can work? Do they get 80% after 20?
I'm not retiring until I get my last year on the medical. There are some tune ups I need to get done, I am not getting that stuff done on my own time!
I say - OFFER A BUY OUT too.
How many ppl would run from this city if they could buy 3-7 years of service/age, and get the retirement package and health benefits, and not run the risk of being fired, sued, or jailed for doing their job.
The city offered it to the Lt's in their contract with no minium amount needed to retire. So will the Lt's get it and the rank and file not.
And why sould SGT's an LT's vote no for their contract??? USE YOUR HEAD GOOF...The city DOES NOT negotiate pay with sgts/lts,,only the FOP..the PERCENTAGE raise, if there's any, will always be the SAME FOR ALL RANKS .SGT's/Lts have a"ME TOO" with FOP,, not vice/versa...If sgts go to arbitration it will not be settled until after FOP and we would end up with the EXACT SAME percentage as they get anyway, AND lose 55...what's the fucking point??? Let FOP do it..USE YOUR HEAD MAN
"The pay is the same after retirement."
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The pay IS NOT the same after retirement.
You get a % of your active salary based upon age and years of service with a max of 75% your active salary.
Anonymous said...
this issue is that we get a shitty pension deal and most can't afford to leave the job. Give us 55 retire plus 80% pension and see how many run for the door. But then again Shortshanks can't let us use his expense account our pension.
8/29/2009 08:29:00 PM
Do the math. This free insurance offer is better than 55 and 80%!!!
Right now, top pay is approx 80k.
The 75% pension is approx 60k/yr.
An 80% pension would be 64k/yr.
If you pay for your own insurance (666/month) it costs you 8k/yr. That leaves you with 56k/yr.
The free insurance nets you 4k/yr more that the 80% pension.
This free insurance (worth 8k/yr) is equal to getting an 83.5% pension.
Why are coppers so historically uneducated when it comes to finances?????
With the free insurance, a retiree will actually take home more money that they are right now! Their gross amount will be lower but the amount they take home, what really counts, will be higher.
No more state taxes---3%
No more ins cost -----3%
No pension deduction--9%
No union dues.
No deferred comp deduction
You worked for your retirement. Take it and enjoy it, you earned it!!
Wasn't there some prediction that all the eligible coppers would seize the opportunity and run like hell?
One might guess that with the economy being so bad, the opportunities for other work are limited. I certainly wouldn't be walking away from a paying job at this point, even if I were being paid to do so.
Don't Do it!
It's nothing but an attempt by the city to break the pension. The city saw what a strain was put on the pension when we went to "29 and a day" from "32 and a day". He thought he could force a stampede to deplete the pension. He's trying to bust you out. But you say "its guranteed by the State". Wake up, 75% of ZERO is ZERO. Our pension is the last thing they'll shore up after all the freebies and welfare giveaways for Democrats are taken care of.
Hey youngsters, BTW, you really don't end up with 75%. After you subtract all the non-pensionable income, the best you can expect is 69% in real dollars in your hands.
Remember, none of this is being done for your benefit. Stick together and don't bite for bullshit.
Anonymous said...
Off Topic: Just another reason why it sucks to be a Chicago Police Officer - Complete unfairness in sentencing when caught banging crack whores.
Former Chicago Police Sergeant, John Herman was sentenced to 21 years in prison. He was accused of raping a woman while on duty. Projected parole date 10/16/2027.
Former Waukegan police officer Delatwan Haynes was sentenced to two years in prison Friday. He was accused of raping a woman while on duty in January 2008.
8/29/2009 11:18:00 AM
Big difference, Dummy!
Herman, 42, was CONVICTED of aggravated criminal sexual assault, aggravated kidnapping and official misconduct.
Former Waukegan police officer Delatwan Haynes was NOT GUILTY for rape and kidnapping, but convicted of Official Misconduct for having sex in the police car and got 2 years IN JAIL.
I actually thought the Waukegan guy got a raw deal... Back in the day, they could've locked up the whole 018th District for that!
Dummy? The point is that there were charged with the same crime a cop banging a crack whore, and the CPD guy got hammered.
Number 1 if either of these gentlemen had any other job that wouldn't have been charged, and Number 2 God help you if you are CPD and charged with a crime you will received ten times the punishment of other cops.
If you can't see that it is open season on CPD both in civil and criminal courts then sir you are the dummy.
Anonymous said...
How come no mention of the fight outside of club E on the Northwest side. Three blocks from Ald. Allens house. 40 squads responed.
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SCC I'd love to see a seperate topic post for this as it hits close to home. Thank you to the brave men and women on the CPD for quelling this gang riot. Other posters indicated that the meelee started at Club Euro.
...I love that 'Donahoe' was quoted as stated something to the effect of "Police and Procrastination start with the same first letter"...
We're paying this guy to say stuff like this?!?!
Some of the bosses I know say that this is the same guy who has done Daley's bidding in keeping the supervisors apart form us and getting all of us be a real union like the firefighters.
Divide and Conquer has always been the Daley strategy.
And I do not trust Daley; he never gives anything away to the working man. I bet it is a ploy to get the old timers out and into Obama National Insurance.
Have junior and sissy get student loans and you pick up the incidental expenses (books, loan interest, and food).
"Spoken like someone who does not have any children. Sorry, but I'm a man and a dad. The object is to help your children do better and be better than the last generation. Your job is to help them out, not watch them struggle with debt the rest of their lives."
Retire and get off the couch and get a job that pays $12/hour.
"Hmm..no I don't think so. Big city homicide detective here. I work special employment and go to court because I like making $40.00+ an hour and hanging with the best people (other CPD)in the city."
No one will like you if you sit in your underware and watch porn all day.
"I missed that part where I needed to be liked by anyone.""Obviously you have never seen me in my underwear."
Don't expect to land another $85K job.
"I wont. It is too low."
Have them work part time either on campus or off. Start treating them like adults (cut the strings) and maybe when they graduate in six years they will move out of your house. Enjoy your retirement. They have the rest of their life's to pay for their education.
"They do." "I do." "They can live with me forever, for free." "I will." "No thanks."
TEN
Anonymous said...
We talked about this among yourselves in roll call. Some CMA Club Members are making the most money they have ever made, making over a $1000 working specials on their days off. Some CMAs are scared of the unknown, don't know what to do with themselves without CPD. Some CMAs are on their second or third families and again don't know what to do with themselves without CPD. Choose well my CMA brothers.
8/29/2009 02:24:00 PM
WTF is a CMA? Country Music Awards? Canadian Medical Associates? WTF...........
8/29/2009 07:46:00 PM
another bulsshitter it s KMA Kiss My Ass
Masters Masters Masters. That is all.
It is apparent that Daley is right in one thing and that is the police are making more than enough money now and will do just fine with out a raise or back pay. Every body will be covered by national health care in 2013 and will pay a little more to even it out. If a person declares they can live on three quarters of their current salary that speaks volumes.
Wondering said...
IS THIS TRUE?
Notice to Retirees
If you are approaching Medicare age (65), make sure you and your spouse get any dental work or eyeglasses before the first day of the month in which you turn 65.
You become Medicare eligible the first day of the month of your 65th birthday. Once you become Medicare eligible you lose your dental and vision coverage, and the City will not pay those bills.
8/29/2009 08:04:00 PM
Yes, it is true, and has not been a secret. At 65, on Medicare you come under what is in actuality a medicare supplement provided by the City that you pay for. It is much cheaper than an outside supplement, but does not include dental or vision. You can now obtain reasonably priced, extra cost coverage for dental and vision.
ATTN: City Negotiators - read this. Here's my offer..if the young Sgt's are dumb enough to vote down the contract...pull the 55 insurance and offer it as a buy out similar to FOP and make it contingent on going before 1 Jan. I'll go in a minute...if not, I will take my 35 days of new vacation ($13K plus dollars) after Jan 1. then leave. You can pay my comp time all at once, I'll throw a huge chunk of it tax free into deferred comp (make up provision + over 55 provision) and be on my merry way. Mull it over
OT: CBC at 26th and California is at 11:45 A.M. Mon-Fri in room 100, On Weekend's and Holiday's court starts at 11:00 A.M. in room 100.
Anonymous said...
Sorry o.t.
Can anyone verify the latest rumor going around 025 about some memo, supposedly by the Commander, saying that no more white males are allowed on the gang and tact teams? Just females, hispanics, and blacks. It's probably bullshit, but if not, Whitey smells a lawsuit brewing. I'd like to think that they wouldn't be dumb enough to put that in writing, but then again, I've been fooled before.
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Not sure an actual memo was sent but I heard straight out of a certian LT's mouth that they won't take any more white males on the teams anymore. But if you have 2 years on your good as long as your hispanic!
8/29/2009 10:46:00 PM
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WHO CARES?! Let them have it. Working the beat is just fine. You can do police work in uniform just as much as not. Let them have the whinny sgt. Obviously they won't get the best cops available so let that Lt drown in his own shit filled pool.
Anonymous said...
It should be noted that, as it stands now, the City has said that there will be no medical insurance for retirees after January 1, 2013..
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Actually the City never said that. The fact is the court order states that the City is no longer required to contribute to health costs for retirees after 2013, but the City has yet to say they will totally drop out of the picture.
Former Chicago Police Sergeant, John Herman was sentenced to 21 years in prison. He was accused of raping a woman while on duty. Projected parole date 10/16/2027.
Former Waukegan police officer Delatwan Haynes was sentenced to two years in prison Friday. He was accused of raping a woman while on duty in January 2008.
8/29/2009 11:18:00 AM
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Just one little difference.
Herman was found guilty of sexual assault and official misconduct. Haynes was found NOT guilty of sexual assault and guilty of official misconduct.
Reading is a skill.
It should be noted that, as it stands now, the City has said that there will be no medical insurance for retirees after January 1, 2013.
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That's not correct.
Under the current agreement, the city will stop contributing to retiree insurance for those officers retiring AFTER January 1, 2013.
Have junior and sissy get student loans and you pick up the incidental expenses (books, loan interest, and food). Retire and get off the couch and get a job that pays $12/hour. No one will like you if you sit in your underware and watch porn all day. Don't expect to land another $85K job. Have them work part time either on campus or off. Start treating them like adults (cut the strings) and maybe when they graduate in six years they will move out of your house. Enjoy your retirement. They have the rest of their life's to pay for their education.
Thanks for the advice. I'm sure your kids will be nominating you for "parent of the year" really soon. From your grammer/spelling, it sounds like you didn't put much into your own education.
It should be noted that, as it stands now, the City has said that there will be no medical insurance for retirees after January 1, 2013.
Thus the "free insurance" aspect of this special retirement package would only be good for about 3 years, as things now stand. It is unknown, at this time, what the real consequences of nationalized health insurance or whatever you want to call the so called "reform" legislation.
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This is the kind of misinformation I hate.
The city did not say there would be no insurance. They won a court ruling and may decide to not provide retiree health care. FOP does not believe that will happen.
Secondly if you retire under this agreement you are grandfathered for the same health care that active members recieve it is not a 3 year benefit.
Detective get the facts.
FOP stated there were approximatley 800 eligible currently for this benefit and that there guess was 300-400 would take advantage of the offer.So the fact that the initial numbers are low should not be a supprise. I think FOP needs to do a better job of letting the membership know all the facts about this benefit. I have attended the seminar had my questions answered and intend to retire under this benefit and encourage others to do the same.
It should be noted the goal is to extend the benefit beyond 2012 and not need any number for the benefit to take effect.
To all of you bright boys and girlies out there that are pondering early retirement.
You are now, say, 55 yoa, you retire for free insurance til 65. Your retirement takes place in 2010 and in 2013 the City's agreement for insurance expires.
Now what, 2013 is only 3 years away. Also at 55 you probably will seek another job and unless you have the most successful hot dog stand in Bridgeport or have the highest paying bank security guard job in the world it is tough finding a job out there. I don't have any answers I was just wondering.
to 4:49 Pm who knows it all.
The old timers are not costing the city as much money as you younger polce impersonators are with your asanine law suits you draw costing millions each.
What do you have goof, 3 years on the job and you are another know it all?
Some of he older guys are here to correct the stupidity of you young batmen and robins.
Why is it that all of these young Sgts who come from the rank and file have no idea what to do and how to handle a situation. The firse words out of their mouths is "call the Dets" When the Det. ask "what did your Sgt. say" the response os "they said to call the Dets.
Most of you hotshots will be retired before you ever learn this job no matter what the age.
So take your Chinaman's advise you know who your uncle-daddy clout. KEEP YOUR NOSE CLEAN KID (OF GIRLIE) AND I'LL GET YOU THAT INSIDE JOB AT 35TH ST.
IT IS NOT FREE HEALTH CARE AT 55!
It is you pay what active duty members pay!
12:56 PM "grammer" [sic]
You should learn to keep your mouth shut about the misspellings of others if you can't spell grammAr, you pompous fool.
It is apparent that Daley is right in one thing and that is the police are making more than enough money now and will do just fine with out a raise or back pay. Every body will be covered by national health care in 2013 and will pay a little more to even it out. If a person declares they can live on three quarters of their current salary that speaks volumes.
8/30/2009 10:54:00 AM
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I can live on 75% of my salary because 1) I made some smart investments that can be sold when I need serious cash, 2) I have another job waiting for me when I leave.
Never, ever, think you know what someone's circumstances are. Chances are real good you don't know what you THINK you know about someone else's finances.
YOU KNOW, THERE ARE ALOT OF US OVER 55 WHO CANNOT RETIRE BECAUSE WE DO NOT HAVE THE TIME. WTF!!! DALEY SHOULD HAVE NEVER CHANGED THE MANDATORY RETIRMENET AGE, THE STUPID FUCK.
Financial uncertainty about the country,state (and the contract) have caused many of us to put our retirement plans on hold!
the insurance for retirees expires for all officers that retired before they turned 60 and now 55
it's a contract so all officers that retire under the new contract
at 55 or retired at age 60 will be covered free of charge until they are 65 or eligable for medicare
FREE INSURANCE, MY ASS! We still have to pay our co pays and out of pocket expenses. What is so lucrative about retiring at 55.
FOP did not negotiate this offer! Why weren't the 08 and 09 retirees included in this union package? This is another "Trojan horse" to get rid of the younger ones who are "so tired of working" after 20 some years! Quit telling everyone else to retire until you do! FOP, the Pension board and City Hall are all inside this Horse! This decision should have been included in the new contract! Another scam brought to you by FOP, The Pension Board and City Hall! Let those who want to retire decide "when" they want to retire! Fuck the deadline!
8:29, 2:24, Who are the CMA guys?I've heard of KMA but not CMA.
"Why are coppers so historically uneducated when it comes to finances?????
8/30/2009 09:12:00 AM
Why are daley's whores so fervently pushing this bullshit deal?
Anonymous hippy-dippy-1 said...
Anonymous said...
It should be noted that, as it stands now, the City has said that there will be no medical insurance for retirees after January 1, 2013..
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Actually the City never said that. The fact is the court order states that the City is no longer required to contribute to health costs for retirees after 2013, but the City has yet to say they will totally drop out of the picture.
8/30/2009 11:07:00 AM
Obama will take care of it!!
I agree. This gives the city something to use when they point to all the people rushing to live on 75% of their pay so they do not need to give a raise or back pay in the future.
All these anonymous people are so "mad". They are probably the city's touts. Who cares what they would do. They probably ride Merry Go Rounds at malls.
"...Dummy? The point is that there were charged with the same crime a cop banging a crack whore, and the CPD guy got hammered."
"Number 1 if either of these gentlemen had any other job that wouldn't have been charged, and Number 2 God help you if you are CPD and charged with a crime you will received ten times the punishment of other cops."
"If you can't see that it is open season on CPD both in civil and criminal courts then sir you are the dummy."
8/30/2009 10:15:00 AM
These are two SEPARATE CRIMES with two separate sets of charges and circumstances, and two separate court trials. Trying to equate the two based on your prejudiced view of the victims as crack whores, is simply stupid.
The CPD guy got hammered because he was CONVICTED of the FELONIES he was charged with. The Waukegan guy was found NOT GUILTY of his charges... what don't you understand about that?
I don't really feel the need to debate your other points other than to say that we all took an oath as Police Officers to keep our lives, public and private, "unsullied".
(ie. unsullied - adjective
stainless, unstained, unsullied, untainted, untarnished of reputation)
Sorry, but if these two dumb fucks are so STUPID that they have to pull out their dicks, WHILE ON DUTY, for anything other than relieving themselves, then fuck them both! They knew their job did not require them to do what they did, and I find it amazing that anyone would hold up either of these two POS in an effort to say they were mistreated by the courts!
Finally, you may want to rethink your use of the term "these gentlemen" when referring to these two criminals. It doesn't appear that they deserve that distinction!
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And what the fuck is 'your filter is clogged' supposed to mean?
8/30/2009 01:02:00 AM
"What the fuck" it means is you're reading way too much into pieces through the filter of police officer. There is nothing in this piece that states or implies it is the fault of police. Many of you seem to enjoy generating meaning and drama beyond the actual words.
you will not see many 55 and over leave until the contract is settled..I dont blame them.
8/29/2009 08:58:00 PM
Therein lies the problem.....Too much misinformation floating around, guys talking about shit they know nothing about, not enough being explained by the FOP to the potential retirees, and coppers being fucked over by the Chitty sooo much that this is one of those "too good to be true" offers.
If you have the time and have questions call the FOP and ask. This is a pretty sweet deal for quite a few officers. First, if you take the offer and the contract is finalized you get the retro pay and the raises because the contract is RETROACTIVE back to June 07. Second, if enough guys DON'T sign up (160 by Oct.) then by the next date they only need 130. it's not 160 + 130. If you put papers in and less than 160 sign up you pull your papers and wait for the following date and put the papers back in again and hope that 130 jump on. If you are waiting for the contract to be settled you are waiting for nothing. Call the union and ASK for yourself.
I "retired" a few years ago except I still go in and still get that paycheck direct deposited in my account. I still get a blue and white squad car to do my errands with. I retired on the day Jody Weis had Officer Cozzi indicted by the feds. I reaffirmed my retirement on the day Officer Cozzi went to prison. I get the same benefits, same pay and do the same thing: nothing.
I want for Jody Weis and the Stuttering Prick to realize how much they have fucked up this Department and how little control over it they actually have. Retirement is great. Oh yeah.
"'What the fuck' it means is you're reading way too much into pieces through the filter of police officer. There is nothing in this piece that states or implies it is the fault of police. Many of you seem to enjoy generating meaning and drama beyond the actual words.
8/31/2009 12:26:00 AM"
Okay, here's the relevant portion of the 'piece', (ie., the first 2 paragraphs) :
"Chicago Police officers are not exactly beating down the door to take advantage of Mayor Daley's offer to extend premium health benefits to those who retire at age 55.
In fact, unless 100 more eligible officers line up before the Oct. 1 deadline -- joining the 60-plus who've signed on already -- the deal is off. And the $23 million Chicago taxpayers desperately need to save will be lost."
So, since you're obviously lacking in the most basic comprehension skills, tell me, one more time, how these two paragraphs aren't clearly linking the lack of applicants to the taxpayers' 'desperate need', thus putting the blame of said need not being fulfilled directly onto said lack.
If you have the time and have questions call the FOP and ask. This is a pretty sweet deal for quite a few officers. First, if you take the offer and the contract is finalized you get the retro pay and the raises because the contract is RETROACTIVE back to June 07. Second, if enough guys DON'T sign up (160 by Oct.) then by the next date they only need 130. it's not 160 + 130. If you put papers in and less than 160 sign up you pull your papers and wait for the following date and put the papers back in again and hope that 130 jump on. If you are waiting for the contract to be settled you are waiting for nothing. Call the union and ASK for yourself.
8/31/2009 04:15:00 AM
Now if we can just make other's see the logic, there might be a chance.
you will get everything the contract gets and you may be grandfathered in because the city is making this deal after the fact.
this paid Health Benefits @ 55 won't disappear if 160 sign-ups don't come about. It benefits Daley more than the retirees, who will either, upon retirement,
#1- DIE
2- get the benefits till 62 and the Medicare kicks in.
The Millions Daley will get, and be able to of course steal a lot of it, plus hire about 1.5 new cops for every old-timer real Police [pre-CAPS] that leaves, will far benefit the Daley Crime Cabal, so it will be offerred either way, just cause the dumb-fuck leadership at FLOP doesn't realize this, don't think it still won't happen. It might be modified to say, afe 57, but it will still work out, cause Daley Benefits far more than the retiring Cops do.
"So, since you're obviously lacking in the most basic comprehension skills, tell me, one more time, how these two paragraphs aren't clearly linking the lack of applicants to the taxpayers' 'desperate need', thus putting the blame of said need not being fulfilled directly onto said lack."
8/31/2009 10:34:00 AM
My comprehension skills are just fine, but let me tell you one more time as you requested. Stating the facts does not place blame.
Officers are not beating down the door.
Unless a 100 more sign up by deadline, the deal is off.
If deal off, there will be no $23 million savings.
This could be because of officers; this could be because it's a bad deal/offer; this could be because the numbers don't make sense anyway; this could be because Pluto is no longer a planet.
IT IS NOT FREE HEALTH CARE AT 55!
It is you pay what active duty members pay!
8/30/2009 04:38:00 PM
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What it is, is, you DO NOT PAY A PREMIUM and you get the active duty insurance, including dental...
This is a MUCH better deal than paying, for now, about 750 per month for you and one beneficiary for 10 years, which will go up to abouut 1200 per month after 2012... if you have to pay the 10% co pay, so what, it is a lot less than taking the regular retiree health insurance...
Take it for now. Daley is relying on the government health care bill to pass and he's going to dump all of us into the public option anyway. But if you retire before that is the city still obligated to cover you or can you be dumped also?
"This could be because of officers; this could be because it's a bad deal/offer; this could be because the numbers don't make sense anyway; this could be because Pluto is no longer a planet.
8/31/2009 06:43:00 PM"
Me thinks the whore doth protest too much.
If mayor chucky pulls the 55 and out deal off the table, then he'll have to slow down his TIF money theft and use some of that money to balance his budget that's 1/2 billion out of whack. That would create a huge burden on his cronies who would get less graft and corruption income!
Why should officers in the 55 & out BE IN A HURRY TO SIGN UP TO MAKE THE MAYOR & CITY COUNSEL happy, how long has the city been jerking us arond with this ontract, alot of cops in tha class are on freelow, as I wright this comment.There will be the alloted amount required by 01 Oct 10
This 55 and free health insurance is a great deal for most who qualify. Sit down with your calculator and your paycheck and figure it out for your personal circumstances.
If I heard the speaker at the 55 and free health insurance class correctly, any 2013 decision on retiree health care has nothing to do with the people that have already taken the 55 health care and retired. Those retirees would be locked in until medicare age.
If anyone knows something different, put it on the blog.
The way the 55 is worded if medicare age is raised the free health care goes to the new age. If there is a public option this is in the contract and could only be taken away by a arbitrator not mayor chunky. Anyone who is over 55 and max’d our and has a 13 or 13A/B furlough and stays is nuts. My FTO put his papers in today 3 Sep 09. And the tracking# is over 86. If you go past 01 Dec 09 you lose next years COLA and that is $150 a month or better starting next 01 Dec 09 for the rest of your life!
It would be kind of dumb to take a 13th period furlo and then retire next year if you have 29+ and are over 55.
I'm comin off furlough and takin' the deal.
it's free insurance if you are 55
don't pass on this one
you pay nada
the posters against this are the jealous po's with under 10 years
they want you to keep payin into pension so there might be a few dollars left for them
retire , enjoy life
we deserve it
Manpower was way down before this "offer!" What happens in 2010?
One man cars all over the place! Leave when you are ready!!!!! Ignore all the hype! Another scam brought to you by Daley, Donahue and Assoc.!
I am dumbfounded that this is not gpoing to happen. Next time I'm in the the car with you and you say "how bad the job treats you" or "I wish I could just leave this f@#cking job" and you qualify under this offer----I'M GONNA REACH OVER AND SLAP YOU.
No I don't care.
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