Oh God No!
A Chicago police spokesman said two officers have been reprimanded after an investigation into an Internet video of behavior at the G-20 summit in Pittsburgh in September.
Chicago police spokesman [...] said reprimands were issued to a department chief as well as a commander. Police wouldn't release their names.
Two officers? That's a bit misleading.
How about "two gold star exempts who should have known better if they had actually read the General Order about Processing Persons Under Department Control and gotten a promotion based on a test containing that order."
A bit wordy, but a lot more accurate. And once again, two completely different systems of accountability.
How about "two gold star exempts who should have known better if they had actually read the General Order about Processing Persons Under Department Control and gotten a promotion based on a test containing that order."
A bit wordy, but a lot more accurate. And once again, two completely different systems of accountability.
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posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
55 Comments:
Did You REALLY Expect anything Different?
Was the guy beaten or murdered? It is what it is...
i bet a verbal rep too...you guys should ve known better.. we all knew the game when we got hired. some guys are given 100 strikes and some guys get only one. just be sure you know your place in this department. some guys get to ride the bus...some guys get thrown under it.
What about Ruthie and Brustie?
Well if they wouldve hammered the P.O.'s there would be beefing. Since they didnt there will still be complaining. Boneheaded move sure, but you couldnt punish one and not all.
What were the rule violations that warranted a reprimand?
It seems to me these exempt violated that young man's civil rights. Why didn't JW ask his FBI buddy to "take a look at this video"?
Reprimands...every fkn time they get away with this shit.
A p.o. got a reprimand because he was the last one on the sign out sheet (two days earlier) for using a police vehicle that the inspector saw the passenger seat belt was fastened.
So - two high ranking chicago police exempts, in uniform working in an official capacity while deployed to another city police department, for no reason other than for the exempts own sadistic humor, ordered their subordinates to partake in the humiliatiation and degradation of a young man who was arrested for something that seems to be equivalent to an ANOV, that was caught on video camera for the whole world to see.
Does the punishment fit the crime in these two scenarios?
I hate this fkin city and department. There is no room for the honest, hard working nobody.
I would have been fired.
Well being a Chicago Police Officer is like being an animal.
Some animals are more equal than other animals.
God Bless the CPD and nobody else.
Two sets of punishment, ones for PO's and ones for gold stars.
I would like to see them both knocked back to Lt's on midnites.
[SCC:
Please update this post with the below link from 24 June 2008]
COMMANDER FRANK GROSS is the bastard who took the picture of the kid on the ground.
All he is getting is a reprimand!!!!
GROSS is the same BASTARD who had a detective DUMPED from the film special employment detail in June of 2008.
Refer to post:
https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13350456&postID=5254119487538950628
That's infinitively more than will happen in Pittsburgh.
I'm not sure I'm 100% on your "hip lingo." White shirts who got a strongly worded letter, basically?
Coppers take one day suspension for missing a court date. These two clowns get a reprimand? Whether it be verbal or written doesn't matter. They should both be dumped with a permanent brick on them. They should be made to publicly apologize to the arrestee, the city of Pittsburgh, and all the officers they embarrassed.
We all know that exempt rank in CPD does not mean one is a leader, nor has a brain, nor is mature enough to set a respectable example. And obviously they have no common sense when representing the Chicago Police Department in another jurisdiction.
And some are concerned about the hair gel officers of today? Never you mind the youngins, they're looking damn good compared to Gross and ?????
Hey if you paid me time and a half I would clown around all day too!!!
We have all made mistakes on this job....and for all who care it is Cmdr Gross who has championed the officers causes since taking over special events...more officers are now getting movies, no a select few on a closed list. He opened up numerous spl. employment opportunites (at time and a half) to all patrol officers (Chicago Marathon etc.) with virtually no help from the union(s)....So then again a mistake was made and a reprimand was given and none of the officers / sergeants recieved any admonishment and that is how it should be.
that's just "gross" misjustice. any one of us lowly blue shirts would have been thrown under the bus and have the feds so far up our ass.
That proves it, put an exempt down on all your paperwork, make them a witness to whatever you do. The department won't hold them accountable and find fault in their judgment so you will be off the hook. It's a way to finally beat them at their own game. This is the best thing that ever happened to us.
REMEMBER THIS...you f*@K up you get promoted,you do you job,no medical abuse, b.s.iod you get shit.
The only type of police work Frank ever did was try and catch guys taking a extra 5 minutes on their personal. Whats that Frank? Another dumpster blocking your car from sneaking up on us at Lauries?
Someone got to go to Pittsburgh?!
When you have noi disciplinary history, a reprimand is at best warranted....
Anonymous said...
Did You REALLY Expect anything Different?
11/25/2009 12:07:00 AM
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Why yes, yes I did. I expected discipline on a level that would send a message and set an example for the future conduct and demeanor that is expected of all white shirts and gold stars, however, I knew it would not happen, even though their antics truly brought discredit upon the department on a nationwide level.
With this paltry example of discipline, instead of knocking these two goofs down to Lieutenant on the 1st Watch in a district, the only message sent was, next time, do as you want, but do not be stupid enough to take a picture or get caught on video tape. Oh, but be sure to have lots of fun while you are on loan to another city. Enjoy!
Sad, sad, sad.
These so called commanders abused their authority. Their conduct must be beyond reproach because they are the role models for the rest of us. I expect a reprimand for the next officer that abuses his authority.
This arrestee filed civil rights violations against the City. Who is going to pay for that - these two exempts are going to cost the City big money and all they get is a reprimand.
Unfuckingbelievable!
OMG, what's the big deal. They took a friggin picture with an arrestee. It's not the end of the world. Can't you have just a miniscule amount of fun on this job anymore?
Can a Sgt. dump a Lt.? word is a do nothing Sgt. in the Marine Unit is trying to get rid of their Lt. (we hear the Lt. is doing a good job)!
Nooo Nooo not a picture! When will it all end? Obviously I'm being sarcastic. Give it up and move on for C sake.
Oh please, the only people JPUD and Dugan hold accountable these days is the lowly non-clouted P.O. and his sergeant. JPUD and Brust not only wants to fuck over and fire as many P.O.'s as they can but now they want to take a couple of sergeants down too. If a retard copper fucks up something, its now the sergeant's fault even though he/she has got 15-20 cars on the log every night. how about JPUD starts holding his clout-heavy exempt staff accountable instead of ducking with the patrol division all the time???
Because they are 'exempt',Dept. of Labor work rules muddy the waters regarding suspensions.
"...you can always suspend an employee WITH pay without
running afoul of wage and hour laws. You can get into trouble, however, by suspending
an exempt employee WITHOUT pay. Depending on the circumstances, the DOL may consider an unpaid suspension to be an improper deduction from an exempt employee’s
salary"
Google "exempt employee" suspension
to read more..
I'm sure MLAS has decided it is easier to just give them a reprimand than perhaps fight a suspension at a labor board hearing.
Can a Sgt. dump a Lt.?
I'm pretty sure a Deputy Sergeant can.
OT...why is IAD sitting in the 009 District parking garage taking pictures of cars entering and exiting the garage???
let it go. i was in Pitt but not in the pic. blue shirts were saved. let it go.
After all,we are bosses. If we want to take a trophy picture we can. Really folks,it was just a picture. So there!
Anonymous said...
Was the guy beaten or murdered? It is what it is...
11/25/2009 12:35:00 AM
Clout rules. Exempts have their own set of rules. Ruthie escaped all punishment. Despite the bitching, nothing happens to exempts. Carry a firearm in a airport secured area or own a condo used for drugs and guns. Nothing. It is what it is!
Sure many PO's get to the police board for : Giving discredit ot the cpd!!! ANd that happens without any proof.
These clowns get busted with documented proof and a slap on the wrist.
And the bs about no disciplinary history: I dont think so . There are several people at theboard right now with basically no history and a shit load of complimentary history.
Just going to add to the major lawsuit about to occur!
OT - Quinn Approves 133 Clemency Petitions
November 25, 2009 9:00 PM
Gov. Pat Quinn approved 133 clemency petitions on Wednesday, the eve of Thanksgiving, as part of the administration's attempt to drive down the huge backlog of nearly 2,500 cases that piled up under impeached ex-Gov. Rod Blagojevich.
The petitioners in the batch that Quinn acted Wednesday have been waiting for answers to their requests for clemency dating as far back as October 2003, only months after Blagojevich took office.
Quinn's office said he has taken action on 361 petitions since taking office in late January. He has approved 179 and denied 182.
http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2009/
11/quinn-approves-133-clemency-petitions.html
If these stupid law violating exempts only got a reprimand then what is the reason why so many good exempts that looked out for the department got canned? WTF. This is pretty GROSS. That guy couldn't lead himself out of a bag. Why is he exempt anyway? Look at his judgement. He has NONE. Dumb ass.
This is a good move. Next time the super wants to throw someone under the bus we can sue for harsh punishment and cite this case and ruthy and brust's case for reference.
Fairplay said...
We have all made mistakes on this job....and for all who care it is Cmdr Gross who has championed the officers causes since taking over special events...more officers are now getting movies, no a select few on a closed list. He opened up numerous spl. employment opportunites (at time and a half) to all patrol officers (Chicago Marathon etc.) with virtually no help from the union(s)....So then again a mistake was made and a reprimand was given and none of the officers / sergeants recieved any admonishment and that is how it should be.
11/25/2009 09:43:00 AM
Fairplay go fuck yourself. Frank Gross is not fair and he is not a knight in shining armor. McCotter was the boss there before Gross, what is Gross now trying to say that McCotter unfairly scheduled the movie details? Get the fuck outta here. Gross is an idiot and should've been demoted after this stupid fucking incident. Hell he cost us more ridicule on a national level and a lawsuit. Yas I will remember that when I get into a bad decision. Just reprimand me.
Anonymous said...
That proves it, put an exempt down on all your paperwork, make them a witness to whatever you do. The department won't hold them accountable and find fault in their judgment so you will be off the hook. It's a way to finally beat them at their own game. This is the best thing that ever happened to us.
11/25/2009 10:42:00 AM
You're right. Listen to this post guys. This IS the way to handle this injustice. Fo shizzle!
Anonymous said...
let it go. i was in Pitt but not in the pic. blue shirts were saved. let it go.
11/25/2009 07:43:00 PM
blue shirts were under the direct supervision of gold stars.
make no mistake about this... gold stars were saved not blue shirts. the po's are not culpable under direct supervision of superiors.
if there are no gold stars on the scene the sky would be falling in on the blue shirts as we speak, (including all sorts of conduct unbecoming and any action that is contrary to the police purpose, etc). everyone is lucky the gold stars were there. that usually ends any serious consequences from cr investigations.
Exempts go from a reprimand to a 7 day suspension, there is no in between, the only other option is to dump em.
The Sgt at the marine unit will not be dumping the LT anytime soon, the lt has been friends with dugan for a long time
We have all made mistakes on this job....and for all who care it is Cmdr Gross who has championed the officers causes since taking over special events...more officers are now getting movies, no a select few on a closed list......
You cannot be serious. Special Events Commander?
What a challenging assignment. Can you imagine the skills that one would need to hold such a position?
This particular post makes me sick, because some are on here justifying the commander's inexcusable judgment.
No, some of us, in fact, many of us, have not made mistakes. We are always conscious of what we are doing and always try to do the right thing. We belive in being Chicago Police Officers.
I guess that comes with experience and integrity. So there you go.
Anonymous Fairplay said...
We have all made mistakes on this job....and for all who care it is Cmdr Gross who has championed the officers causes since taking over special events...more officers are now getting movies, no a select few on a closed list. He opened up numerous spl. employment opportunites (at time and a half) to all patrol officers (Chicago Marathon etc.) with virtually no help from the union(s)....So then again a mistake was made and a reprimand was given and none of the officers / sergeants recieved any admonishment and that is how it should be.
11/25/2009 09:43:00 AM
Fuck him because some slick P.O.'s bitched about not getting special he changed it, FUCK HIM FUCK HIM. What is wrong with the new police? It is called waiting your turn.
When the new FOIA legislation becomes law on January 1 we will be able to find out what is going with Ruthie and Brust.
Disciplinary investigations can then be through the FOIA and the City cannot refuse the request.
investigation of full time cpd with part time hours
2 kinds of justice with respect to discipline and even the way the cases are investigated.
YOU FIND SOEMTHING TO SUSTAIN= against nobodys and nobodys cousins
EASEY boy/girl= "Hey, thats my nephew"...
Lt. Frank Gross never earned one promotion, rode his brothers coatails and caught a huge lift to the upper floors of the 35th street fifth floor winners cirle when he cashed in on the big favor fat phil owed him for his midnight save of two coppers in off-duty beef,,, other than that, I do see the humor in him working so hard to fill P.O. Tom Flanigans little shoes handling the movie detail schedule...hahahah and Tom did it with no help for decades. LMAO, best to keep frankie on a short leash so he can't keep showing his fine work in public. Wake up JFED Frankie is no diamond in the rough, just a guy fakin it as long as he can.
Be glad Gross was there, or you'd have 15 fired blueshirts
OT...why is IAD sitting in the 009 District parking garage taking pictures of cars entering and exiting the garage???
Because that is what rats do!!Why do you chase shitbird with a gun?? Its what you do. Get it?
Just for thought, Officer Cozzi responded to a disturbance at a hospital, We have all gone to hospitals on our Beat for a cup of coffee, use a clean washroom, and before cell phones, make a call. Officer Cozzi found a subject acting in a disorderly manner possibly because of alcohol. He hand cuffed the party and as seen on camera gave him a slap. He probably gave him the slap to get his attention and nothing more. His punishment was a Federal sentence with the help of J-Fed. On the other hand, Command Staff went to Pittsburg for the G-Summit with Federal funds paying the way. The Command Staff had knowledge this was a event known through out the world with media attention from around the world. What did this Command Staff order , take a group photo of an offender in custody. A photo which dehumanized the subject as a trophy with the press and public in observance. He was also arrested for Disorderly Conduct because he acted stupid and nothing more but his civil rights were violated as the Cozzi's offender. What does J-Fed do, gives a written reprimand to Command Staff who are our mentors for proper police behavior.Cozzi is in a Federal Prison and these Command Staff get a reprimand but big bucks for overtime to Pittsburg and plenty of laughs at the expense of a civil rights violation. Come on J-Fed, where is your justice and fairness for the troops. Cozzi is on the troops as well who worked the street and put himself at risk for many years as a Police Officer. Your Command Staff treats Policw work as a big joke.
Lt. Frank Gross never earned one promotion, rode his brothers coattails and caught a huge lift to the upper floors of the 35th street fifth floor winners circle when he cashed in on the big favor fat Phil owed him for his midnight save of two coppers in off-duty beef,,,
Typical Chicago Cop cry baby. This is a guy who made Detective, Sergeant and Lieutenant by passing the same exam offered to everyone else at the time. NONE of these promotions were made meritoriously. He worked in 011 as a P.O. and Area 4 as a detective. (Don’t think he needed his brothers’ help to get to these spots) Every one bitches that the command staff is made up off individuals who have been promoted meritorious time and time again. Well he isn't one of them. When he made Captain it was during the time 70 Lieutenants were being promoted to Captain. But none off this matters, you will keep bitching and continue on talking about things you know nothing about...
For those of you who want to compare this to Cozzie give me a break. Why he needed to hit the guy over a dozen times when he was already handcuffed and in a wheel chair with 3 hospital security guards there we will never know. But we all seen the video, what Cozzie did was inexcusable. Some will say well this is to but let’s compare apples to apples. This at worst is bad judgment something we all are guilty of at one time or another. But what Cozzie did is on a whole other level. Cozzie didn’t just slap a guy he beat a guy who was handcuffed to a wheel chair. At most this guy was a passive resister a strike would have been understandable but his actions far exceeded that. Also if anyone failed him it was the Police Board not the Superintendent. They should have never of ruled that he could get his job back. Then the Union and the Board tell the new Superintendent there is nothing he can do about their ruling. Boy were they wrong, bet they don’t do that again.
If you want to defend someone who has been fired by this administration and bring attention to his case defend the police officer from 017 who lost his job because he slapped a guy after he got stuck by something in the guys pocket not this. We all can relate to this Guy not Cozzie. Before you make another ignorant comment I suggest you watch the Cozzie incident again then ask yourself can I see my self doing that. I bet the answer will be no. As far as the picture that was taken, we all know it’s not the first time a police officer took a photograph of something that he shouldn’t have with his cell phone. If anything we ALL should learn from this. We all need to protect ourselves and the officers we work with no matter what Rank they are. We also need to constantly remind each other to be aware of our surroundings so something like this doesn’t happen to anyone else.
Your right McCotter didn't unfairly scheduled the movie details. It was the officer he put in charge of scheduling the detail. As we all know the Commander of the Unit doesn’t actually do the scheduling not McCotter nor Gross. It’s an officer in the Unit that they have put in charge of the scheduling. Gross has just monitored it a little closer which has made it fair for the rest of us. And I am sure it is a little more work to open these details up to everyone than it is to pull out a piece of paper with a select list of names and calling one of them up.
AH FRANKIE, LADDIE GIVE UP THE SELF PATS ON THE BACK AND POSTING YOUR RESUME...WE IN AREA 4 ARE NOT AMUSED BY YOUR CLAIMS TO FAME...WEARY REAL A/4 GUY
YouTube.com
See Derek v Chicago Police
That restaurant is now out of business because the punks were trying to extort money from the people inside.
Text2Tip'd this so that IAD would know this officer was not violating his rights .. the 14th & Spaulding Ave Lawndale Predators who taunt up and down 16th and Central Park and who I have been complaining about are behind the extortion attempts.
They chant on their loudspeaker and the person inside stands there until they are paid off and the victim also does not know who is extorting money from them. They also demand females have sex with them.
Just wanted to let you know some good can come from bad
A citizen who is fed up
Lt Gross, YOU SHOULD TAKE TIME FOR YOUR BEHAVIOR IN PITTSBURG, YOUR RANK, YOUR POSITION OF AUTHORITY, YOUR EXAMPLE TO YOUNG POLICE OFFICERS, tHE EXCUSE OF POOR JUDGEMENT IS MORE REASON TO TAKE TIME .YOU CAN ONLY REINFORCE TO POLICE OFFICERS THE USE OF GOOD JUDGEMENT IN SIMLIAR SITUTATIONS OF CHOICE.
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