Hey, Look! Self Defense Works
Five people face charges related to an attack and robbery of a Forest Park man early Saturday that started as he watched a movie on his iPod while riding on a CTA Green Line train on the West Side, authorities said.
The 26-year-old Forest Park man was on a Lake Street "L" train near 5100 West Lake Street in the Austin neighborhood when he was robbed about 12:55 a.m. Saturday, police said.
The 26-year-old man was watching a movie on his iPod when he was approached by the four men, Assistant State's Attorney Angel Essig told Ocasio. The men asked the victim for spare change and when he declined, demanded he turn over his iPod, Essig said.
One of the four then punched the victim in the face, according to Essig. The victim pulled a knife and stabbed at least two of the alleged would-be robbers, she said.
Labels: crime
posted by SCC at 12:07 AM
94 Comments:
That is an outstanding story! Im happy the guy fought back. There is way to much riff raff on the green line. They are parastites with no morals or values.
THREE CHEERS For the victim of this Robbery !!!
Too bad he didn't gut all four with his knife !
These roving packs of MUTTS are the reason I quit riding the CTA.
Lets hope more mutt offenders learn the "hard way" to leave folks alone.
too bad he didn't have a piece and rid the world of these 5 future doctors...
HA!
My daughter lost her I-pod to a thug who tried to get cozzy with her almost the same place on the Green Line. When she let him know she wasn't interested he pried it out of ther fingers. Glad she wasn't hurt and the fact that her music device was seperate from her cell phone meant that she could call for help.
So keep this in mind and teach your kids situational awareness.
Stay Safe and thanks again to the 11th District crew who came to help her out.
OT: But hilarious!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100111/ap_on_re_us/us_blagojevich_esquire
What we need is another Bernie Goetz, remember him?
He became an American folk hero best known for shooting four young thugs whom he said were intent on mugging him, on a New York City Subway in 1984.
It resulted in his misdemeanor conviction for illegal possession of a firearm. Goetz came to symbolize New Yorkers' frustrations with the high crime rates of the mid 1980s. The incident occurred on the Seventh Avenue 2 express subway train in Manhattan on December 22, 1984. It sparked a nationwide debate on vigilantism, the perceptions of race and crime in major cities, and the legal limits of self-defense.
Better him than a dozen Curtis Sliwas and the Guardian Angels.
Stay safe, "legal limit on self-defense", if you survive and the bad guy does not, well that meets that test.
please tell me he was watching a charles bronson movie when this happened---- will this individual eventually be crucified like bernard goetz was----- the only mistake he made was that he only stabbed two of the shitbirds, he should have stabbed all four of the fulbright scholars for effect.....
Way to go! Keep up the good work
ARM YOURSELVES GOOD CITIZENS OF THIS SHITTY!!!!!!
Just like Bernie Goetz, I love riding the night trains. I call it "mutt hunting".
more of this is not related to the polive force it is related to the economic times and the lack punishment for people who do get caught....if nothing happens when they get into the court system they will not stop not matter how big of police force there is
Time to go shopping for a knife...
Blago says he's blacker than Barack Obama! Is this the opening shot of his insanity defense? I think the hardest adjustment to being in prison, for him, will be no mirrors with which he can gaze at himself, wink, blow kisses, and tell himself he's the 'fairest one of all.'
What movie was he watching?
This kid should be given a medal. I am really happy that this kid fought these savages off and decided not to be a victim.
Anyone who plays with a I-pod or a laptop on the CTA is an idiot.
Might as well pin money to his coat. It's like throwing potato chips to sea gulls.
OT----BUT IMPORTANT
I just got off the phone w/Bill Cozzi. He is understandably depressed, so keep the cards and letters going to him.
He wants everyone who wrote or sent a card to him to know that he will write back--but he only has limited access to the typewriter in the library so he asks for your patience.
He said there was not even a Catholic Christmas mass, but plenty of Muslim chances to worship.
Make no mistake about it, when J-Fed screwed Bill over, he screwed us all. Please remember him in your prayers and drop him a line if you can.
Thanks.......
One of Bill's friends...
If a Lawndale female is sexually assaulted, robbed, extorted does she get to cut these CTA, street roving sex offenders too?
THATS WHAT YOU GET!!!!!! THE GOOD PEOPLE IN THIS WORLD ARE FED UP WITH PIECES OF SHIT CRIMINALS!!!!!
Could that have been UTW in disguise? Sounds like his MO.
Yet another reason to have conceal carry! Are you listening Daley........Quinn?!
WELL DONE,GIVE THAT MAN A STAR AND FORGET THE ENTRANCE EXAM....
Who do dis guy tink he is, Charlie Bronson or Bernie Goetz or sum one?
How dare he bringa s deadly dangerous weapon onto duh CTA?
And what do youse means, Scc, er dat duh police are minutes away, I have police around me alla duh time, they hold my coat, shine my shoes, pick up my lunch...
I wants that knife guy arrested and charged. And when duh lawsuit comes, I AIN'T PAYIN FOR HIS DEFENSE.
Im gonna gets my protege Ron Huberman on dis. I sleeps good at night knowing Ron is by my side...
I mean on my side, er u I mean we play for the same team...
017- Looks like MIKE MEALERS temper tantrum in the 017 district has sparked someones attention at 35th and Michigan.. We are hearing that the station video of his temper tantrum has been requested by numerous high ranking police department officials.. MIKE your days as a gold star are numbered!!
Bwaaaaa! Wait, I should be serious here....BWAAA!
My question is and has been for some time: Where are the mass transit police? You do not see them on the trains and stations as you do in NY, and please do not tell me they are plain clothes and undercover. My feeling is that their numbers are small or they make an arrest and take off for the rest of the day.
It better.
http://www.illinoiscarry.com/
Encore, encore!!!
Gee, do you think mayor Dick has ever used the CTA?
Not just for a photo opp. but for transportation? Didn't think so.
Too bad that a law abiding citizen couldn't arm himself with a pistol. But hey, mayor Dick has how many body guards?
Take Metra, screw the CTA!
they used to put the police decoy team on the CTA. they did too good of a job. they kicked the crap out of these mutts. political correctness set in= scared bosses and they were disbanded.
What time was felony review's denial of robbery charges against the animals and agg batt approval against the victim? Felony review you are so useless you remind me of the CAPS office!!
I believe it was the 15th district that placed these mopes in custody. Also I was informed one of the offenders is in not so good condition. A job well done by all
Hope the victim reads the only true news source SCC! We need more Charles Bronson (RIP) types,finally the scumbags are getting some action,to bad he did not KILL the pos would save us link cards,hospital bills,and future health benefits to the scum!
Interesting article about recidivism. Did anyone see this?:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/10/magazine/10prisons-t.html?pagewanted=all
Chicago info is too simplistic, as you'd expect from an article that's is mostly about something else. But it's not wrong about what happened here. Just way too simple.
I LIVE FOR THIS!
Chicago is very cold. However, I'm going to stick around for a while. I enjoy midnight walks on the West and South Sides.
"You don't look so bad, here's another".
- Bernie Goetz
Just wait til the Cook Co States Attorney office charges the victim for carrying a blade longer than 2 inches for UUW
some gun grabbers are now going to say, "Look, all you need is a knife! You don't need a gun." I wish that guy had a gun.
thought only clueless yuppies listened to iPods on the L... apparently the robbers thoughts so too... WAY TO GO!!
Female investigator from IPRA came into 001st yesterday. Apparently was being pretty evasive to the desk crew. Apparently after taking a statement from a citizen she decided to go work out in the building's gym. While doing so she left her IPRA issued radio and laptop on a chair. After finishing her workout (on company time!) she left for home. Realizing that she forgot the radio and laptop she returned to find that you know what! Also, she could provide almost no info on the radio and what was on the laptop. Hope nothing too sensitive.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-getting-around-11-jan11,0,710561.column
And the CTA wants to raise fares. It's times like these I really believe people should be able carry a concealed weapon.
---not a cop
Carry a machete! No survivors!
put him in for a citizens award
from da mayor
concealed carry is what we need to get rid of these thugs
BUY THAT MAN A "PABST BLUE RIBBON". NUTTIN LIKE A GOOD OL'SLICIN N DICIN
Early voting for the February 2nd Primary Election began this morning at libraries/parks, one in each ward.
As usual, I chose a Democratic ballot just to shove it up their asses by voting for only those that had virtually no chance of winning. Come the November General Election, I will only vote for candidates who have the best chance to crush a corrupt "Chicago Way" Democrat.
Vote these weasel Democratic mother fuckers out!
Paul Kersey for President of the CRook Co. Board.
Bernhard Goetz for Mayor - 2011.
See watching "Under Seige" with steven segal works. who says knife fighting never works!
All Good Comments Regarding This Victims Right of Self Defense.
No Need to Post Mine.
What I would like to respond to is the comment "expect more of this as our Police Dept.declines in numbers".
Why has not the FOP taken out a ad in the papers,telling the truth about the personnel shortage on the CPD? Why has not any, so called investigative reporter,touched this issue ?
PS: have a nice day ???
Let it be known that the victim ended up the hospital as well. The offenders (all honor roll students) fucked up his face.
The victim pulled a knife and stabbed at least two of the alleged would-be robbers, she said.
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I am amazed the stabber was not charged.
[sarcasm on]
Was the blade longer than 2.5 inches? Carrying such a blade is a serious crime in Chicago.[sarcasm off]
Until you bring a knife to a gunfight! He got lucky, very lucky!
Spend a little more and you got a gun! Don't leave home without it! (Where was Karl Malden when you need him!)
I know. WTF already.
Good for that guy! I hope to see more of it. I'll Be happy to write the paper.
Too bad he didn't pull out a fuckin gun.
Hey SCC,
Two more Chicago police light bars have been stolen from Trans-o-matic repair shop located @ 7200 w Irving park road on todays date. 11Jan10.
Info for the Po-lice.
Anonymous said...
they used to put the police decoy team on the CTA. they did too good of a job. they kicked the crap out of these mutts
Not to mention that they also lit a bunch of em up too !!!!
http://www.policeone.com/juvenile-crime/articles/1988470-Calif-cop-kicked-out-of-school-while-arresting-gang-member/
So this little vigilante action inspired the Belmont El Station rider who paced the platform flicking a knife open and close before leaving on the train per the cta employee who called 911...ah yes he was GPTA so presumed to have had a safe journey...and I haven't seen a uniformed Cpd on any train in over 10 years north of the loop unless going to court.
good job Give him an Honorable Mention
Wow the ASA didn't even try to blow this one off as mutual combatants?!
I'm a female and when i was young my dad showed me how to roll a newspaper tight and showed me how I could take out an eye!! My dad was a Marine!!!
If the victim had been practicing situational awareness, he might not have been punched. I can't think of anything more likely to get one noticed by the "otherhumans" out there than to be completely oblivious to what's going on around you.
On the other hand, he refused to be a victim. When is Illinois going to join the other 98% of the states that allow concealed carry of handguns? A rent house we lived in was burglarized in the past, but I haven't been a crime victim since a guy attacked me with a knife when my grown children were little (Kindergarten and preschool). My wife had an armed robbery at her store (company policy forbid employees from carrying guns) more recently than that, but she is taking more positive steps to defend herself now (regardless of company policy). She'll give them the money, but she isn't going anywhere with anyone and they will NOT abuse her and live.
We shoot weekly, weather permitting.
ECS
If you want concealed carry vote for this guy.The police are going to need our help because the savages out number them.
http://www.dillardforgovernor.com/
OT:
Franklin Park Police officer shot and wounded at lake/mannheim.Offended dead at scene due to lead poisoning.
off topic. Franklin park gang unit officer shot tonight. This went down while the city was in a meeting discussing laying off cops and firemen.
Nobody could be this stupid, so this had to be an integrity check gone awry or a false flag operation to disseminate information.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Female investigator from IPRA came into 001st yesterday. Apparently was being pretty evasive to the desk crew. Apparently after taking a statement from a citizen she decided to go work out in the building's gym. While doing so she left her IPRA issued radio and laptop on a chair. After finishing her workout (on company time!) she left for home. Realizing that she forgot the radio and laptop she returned to find that you know what! Also, she could provide almost no info on the radio and what was on the laptop. Hope nothing too sensitive.
1/11/2010 01:25:00 PM
OFF TOPIC: Heard another set of mar lights stolen from a squad car in the belmont heights neighborhood in 016. For units that take home there cars just be careful what you keep in your cars at night. There was a DEA agent down the street from me had ammunition and bullet proof vest taken.
"There's no hunting like the hunting of man and those who have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." - Ernest Hemingway
Oh, I wouldn't go that far, Papa. Let's just say it's the most fun you can have with your clothes on.
Thousands of decent, well-trained, law-abiding, FOID-carrying "Paul Kersey" type citizens would be a godsend in this town.
Just stick around afterwards so the homicide dicks can do the "justifiable" paperwork. Sometimes, the good guy just walks off leaving a dead mutt.
Paul Kersey would have a better chance to walk on Daley's "failure to register" bullshit than on a parking ticket. Personally, I regard the latter as more serious. Also, McDonald v. City of Chicago is on the SCOTUS docket this term.
As they say, better to be tried by twelve than carried by six.
"Why has not the FOP taken out a ad in the papers,telling the truth about the personnel shortage on the CPD? Why has not any, so called investigative reporter,touched this issue ?"
A: It's called collective bargaining.
B: Are you deliberately stupid?
I wants de victims of this unimitigated attackery , this mockery of self DEEEE-FENCE, to knows that I'se, de champion of felonious victims every whars, stands ready to aggressively and profitably per-sew their rights via de Jue-dicial an de Sybil lawyersuit system as well!
There was no reason for dis un pre-voked knife a-salt by dis so called VicTIM!
The so called offenders merely were pan handling, and after a looong day of such actual-tivity, they merely wanted to partake in a MOTION PICTURE EXPERIENCE!
This attack must not go un abated. This is truly a case of Po-leecery endspired brutality!!!
I am therefore suing de entired SheCago Policery Department and the Super Attendant of the Policery Department, Joe D. Weeze.
...And the letters C-T-A Does NOT Means..
Cuts Thugs Aggressively...
Sincerely
Yore de frocked, dis graced and deceased, due to demise, Attor-knee...
Are YOOUUUUU GENE ? Pinch Him !!!
Barrister of Buffoonery, Blowhardery, and Bullshittery!
and as , um, always
personal checks accepted-and needed.
SCC WAS ON CHANNEL 5 NEWS TONIGHT--
OH, I FORGOT.....
SCC is insignificant........
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
Off topic--did anyone see Shortshanks on the news talking about how the loss of convention business has had a disastrous effect on restaurant business in Chicago's hot spots?
His face was covered with sweat, his hair was frazzled. He appeared þo be off his meds!
I believe he's truly lost his mind! And not a question from the media to Shanks or Quinn about the overabundance of clout $100K plus jobs associated with the convetions & McPier.
Now they're petitioning Springfield to legislate cuts through the Unions 'to save our convention business.'
What a bunch of bullshit!!
Sgt.Rick Aztlan Special Employment- Good Luck with your retirement!!! The best boss, always puts his officers first. A man who backs you 100% he defines loyalty and trust and leads by example. You will be missed and never forgotten. P.O. J.M.
NorthSide said...
"There's no hunting like the hunting of man and those who have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." - Ernest Hemingway
Oh, I wouldn't go that far, Papa. Let's just say it's the most fun you can have with your clothes on.
Thousands of decent, well-trained, law-abiding, FOID-carrying "Paul Kersey" type citizens would be a godsend in this town.
Just stick around afterwards so the homicide dicks can do the "justifiable" paperwork. Sometimes, the good guy just walks off leaving a dead mutt.
Paul Kersey would have a better chance to walk on Daley's "failure to register" bullshit than on a parking ticket. Personally, I regard the latter as more serious. Also, McDonald v. City of Chicago is on the SCOTUS docket this term.
As they say, better to be tried by twelve than carried by six.
1/11/2010 09:26:00 PM
Remember, the author of that famous quote wrote it for a magazine article, not from personal experience. He was a novelist, a writer of fiction. A deeply flawed one at the end it turned out.
At the age of 61, suffering from memory loss (from electro-shock treatments) alcoholism, failing eyesight, diabetes, hepatitis, high blood pressure, severe depression and impotence, Hemingway took what he believed was the noble way out and placed the barrel of a shotgun in his mouth and pulled the trigger.
Hemingway's father also committed suicide as did his two siblings and granddaughter.
off topic. Franklin park gang unit officer shot tonight. This went down while the city was in a meeting discussing laying off cops and firemen.
1/11/2010 09:18:00 PM
Friendly Fire shot in the Hand, Grampa traffic violator/offender DOA?
Anonymous said...
017- Looks like MIKE MEALERS temper tantrum in the 017 district has sparked someones attention at 35th and Michigan.. We are hearing that the station video of his temper tantrum has been requested by numerous high ranking police department officials.. MIKE your days as a gold star are numbered!!
1/11/2010 09:44:00 AM
That's just dumb. Those cameras don't work...no audio recorded...
Anonymous said...
My question is and has been for some time: Where are the mass transit police? You do not see them on the trains and stations as you do in NY, and please do not tell me they are plain clothes and undercover. My feeling is that their numbers are small or they make an arrest and take off for the rest of the day.
1/11/2010 10:01:00 AM
Stop being jealous.
"But hey, mayor Dick has how many body guards?"
That's just to protect him from pretty blonde Fox News reporters who ask mean questions.
"This press conference is OVER! And I messed up my hair for nothing."
"expect more of this as our Police Dept.declines in numbers".
Why has not the FOP taken out a ad in the papers,telling the truth about the personnel shortage on the CPD? Why has not any, so called investigative reporter,touched this issue ?
PS: have a nice day ???
1/11/2010 02:47:00 PM
I liked the billboard FOP had on Nabisco hill at 73rd/kedzie. Don't know if it's still up.
Read the comments in the Trib ... all good -
This is indeed a great story and I hope the victim recovers from his injuries and isn’t emotionally affected by the event in the future.
However citizens should be reminded that self defense has its limits. Defending yourself doesn’t give you a license to drop a piano on your antagonist’s head. Once you’ve defeated the unlawful force directed against you, you have to stop or you’ll become the aggressor yourself.
We as professionals know that common citizens do not have the training or the mindset to prevail in situations like this. This young man got lucky his antagonists didn’t disarm him and use his own knife against him. It is a crying shame citizens have to fend for themselves for their own protection because so many tax dollars are wasted on corruption that there are not enough police officers to make our streets and public transportation safe.
I am only grateful that wasn’t my son who had to face those freighting circumstances.
God speed on his recovery.
I'm a female and when i was young my dad showed me how to roll a newspaper tight and showed me how I could take out an eye!! My dad was a Marine!!!
1/11/2010 08:33:00 PM
When I was six years old my father brought me in the basement, handed me a handgun, told me to aim it at the circle on the wall and shoot. My mother was none too happy. Every night we would practice until I could hit what I was aiming at. One night I asked him why he wanted me to learn how to use a gun. He said he kept it in the house. He told me where he kept it. He didn't want me to be afraid of it and if anyone ever got into the house when I was home alone I was to get the gun and shoot whoever it was right in the middle of the chest until they were dead.
That newspaper thing sounds interesting though too.
---not a cop
Word has it the guy was watching "Death Wish" on his iPod.
11:28 PM
Lighten up, my brothah!
I expect to see you in Pamplona in July when we run with the bulls.
with regards to Self Defense at CTA stations and Terminals:
I recall,in 2007, a guard coming home from work that was confronted and attacked by a man with a tomahawk at the Midway Orange line bus terminal.I further recall,and witnessed,this guard back away,give numerous warnings to the offender and finally when no other option was at hand,drawing a Smith and Wesson 40 cal and putting ONE round into center mass of the offender. I remember this vividly as I usually ride home on the same bus as he does.This is a GOOD CASE for concealed carry. Its a jungle out here and the animals have 3 day bus cards. Be careful.
We as professionals know that common citizens do not have the training or the mindset to prevail in situations like this. This young man got lucky his antagonists didn’t disarm him and use his own knife against him. It is a crying shame citizens have to fend for themselves for their own protection because so many tax dollars are wasted on corruption that there are not enough police officers to make our streets and public transportation safe.
True. But you as a professional (I'm just a lowly citizen) should also know that the police have no duty to protect or save the lives of citizens. Yes, that's what you do on a daily basis, but I'm saying that legally, you are not bound to protect anyone, unless under special circumstances.
So it's better that citizens stand up and defend themselves. Really, it's the only way it should be. We shouldn't have to rely on you guys to save our asses every 5 minutes.
As for taking the knife away? I'd say that the threat of doing nothing outweighed this small probability. I'd just be worried about AIDS blood splattering all over the place.
We will see if a CLIMBER at the SA's office decides to charge like what happened to good old Bernie Goetz??
1/12/2010 06:58:00 AM
Your father seemed to be a good man with foresight and common sense. We salute him. he seemed to have done a good job. Bless your heart, you seem to speak fondly of this.
This is what this country needs more of... Real men taking a hard eyed view of the world and governing themsleves and their families accordingly instead of waiting for "someone else" to do something.
Stories like this are what drives the limp wrist liberal pinkies to tongue gnawing gyrations on the ground while foaming at the mouth...
...Keep it up! :)
BTW... Ours is a somewhat similar story.
"That newspaper thing sounds interesting though too.
---not a cop
1/12/2010 06:58:00 AM"
i have this funny feeling that your husband must be one of the politest, most courteous human beings currently still breathing.
(i'll leave the punch line to your discretion, bambina)
Off topic--did anyone see Shortshanks on the news talking about how the loss of convention business has had a disastrous effect on restaurant business in Chicago's hot spots?
His face was covered with sweat, his hair was frazzled. He appeared þo be off his meds!
I believe he's truly lost his mind! And not a question from the media to Shanks or Quinn about the overabundance of clout $100K plus jobs associated with the convetions & McPier.
Now they're petitioning Springfield to legislate cuts through the Unions 'to save our convention business.'
What a bunch of bullshit!!
1/11/2010 10:26:00 PM
Mayor Daley is a hot funky mess lately. I mean, nasty. Jackie Heard ought to carry around rice blotting papers just for his forehead.
Ulta. $3.99.
So I don't need the piano?
Didn't Jane Bryne disband the transit police?
If I have to see any further nonsense from that nitwit Burke, I'll take out my own eye with a newspaper.
"That newspaper thing sounds interesting though too.
---not a cop
1/12/2010 06:58:00 AM"
i have this funny feeling that your husband must be one of the politest, most courteous human beings currently still breathing.
(i'll leave the punch line to your discretion, bambina)
1/12/2010 05:07:00 PM
That was cute daddy. But, I'm a very traditional Italian wife. I let him think he's the boss and I'm only a psycho when I absolutely have to be. Usually when the kids piss me off.
---not a cop
That guy is lucky to be alive. A knife can be a self defense tool, but sometimes you need other lethal options.
Chicago should stop infringing the People's rights. We need right-to-carry laws right now!
'It's your child killing my child'
Mother of 1993 shooting victim encourages community to help solve crimes
It's your child killing my child
"That was cute daddy. But, I'm a very traditional Italian wife. I let him think he's the boss and I'm only a psycho when I absolutely have to be. Usually when the kids piss me off.
---not a cop
1/13/2010 06:11:00 PM"
gee, an' here i tawt yus was gonna say "he betta be!"......
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