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posted by SCC at 10:36 AM
Wednesday, January 06, 2010
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who cares! doesn't matter anyway, when i took the test it had almost a 92% passing rate. lets all agree, that test was one of the easiest ones you can take, and they don't rank you on your score anyway, you are just qualified or not qualified in the results. they still will weed people out during the rest of the process, the physical, psyc, backround check. if this makes the process faster and saves the city money, i'm all for it. we need help, and help fast....use the money to hire police officers instead of giving a useless entrance exam. if personel does their job and weed out the bad apples during the rest of the process, i see nothing wrong with it. give us some damn ppo's in the field!!!!
This would make the department a fucking laughing stock. What is the thinking behind this? Lower the hiring standards in the name of diversity? These politicians don't realize that a police officer isn't another bullshit political position like every other job in this county, it is life and death for ourselves and the citizens. We need the most competent police possible, not to lower the standards in hopes a few more minorities apply.
If the city wants to increase minority hiring then they should allow people with criminal records to be the police. Who cares if they've spent some time in the joint or if they are gang members or if they like to steal shit, they would bring valuable experience to the job. Damn, I shouldn't joke about this. Someone will read it and think it is a great idea.
Now everyone knows why I gave myself the moniker: TOO MANY DUMMIES.
Just how stupid are these dummies?!?!?
I especially loved the comment of people with 60 hours of college reading at a THIRD grade level!! Guarentee these people are coming out of the Arne Duncan/Ron Huberman public school system only to go onto City Colleges!
Hey fellow old timers: Just when you thought the last batch of recruits were dumber than the previous batch, wait until you see these gems come out of the academy!
I feel sorry for all of the great minority officers out there who will now be looked down on by the citizens of Chicago who will wonder if they were really smart enough to be the police or if they had to have the standards lowered for them to get on.
Just read that article! lets really "dumb down" cpd! How about a 4th grade edumacation? WTF! Incredible is that article saying minorities are stupid? No one is that idiotic that cannot pass a basic simple 8th grade test or maybe most are?
This is one time when I will agree with Donohue..."This is too stupid to be true."
But remember Shortshanks does not think like a rational human being. He is a malignant narcissist, and hates the police. He therefore thinks that we do not need to be screened and he can appoint and dismiss us at will. We play for years without a contract or raises while he spends and taxes and sells off our city assets.
Bobble-Head J-Fed will go along with any thing Shorty says.
We need to get rid of both of them, register everyone you can and vote!
Well, it doesn't surprise me. We don't have an exam to be an EXEMPT officer....and they are suppose to be leading us. WTF??!!!
Applications will be available at your local Democratic Committeeman's Office.
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The last police entrance exam was held on Nov. 5, 2006.
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WOW!
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"We were getting people with 60 hours of college credit who were reading at a third-grade level.
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I THINK I KNOW THAT GUY!
He's a Sgt now!!
those with clout will pass.
Alderman Rugai has the drawer open on her desk.
Merit P.O., Merit Sgt., Merit Lt, Merit Capt and then Exempt all in three years.
The City is returning to the days of "Hinky Dink" and "Big John", long live the 1st and 19th Wards!
What ?
They can't seriously even consider this. If anything they should make the exam harder to weed out the people that are nor qualified. They want to allow more minorities on the job, which is fine, but don't put people on the street that I will depend on to keep me safe and my family safe when I am at work if they are not qualified. To drop the test just to allow unqualified minorities to be employed by the city is crazy. This is not a job digging ditches, this is a job where you are given an amazing to power to take somebodys freedom or life away from them. If you cannot pass a simple test to get hired, sorry, go get a job digging the ditches for the water department. Daley is ruining this department!
Why not eliminate all testing and go to a 100% merit system for all positions. That way you could have and entire department manned by political hacks and whatever minority group that needs to have it's numbers padded for the upcoming elections.
This is precisely why this department and city is being compared to the Titanic. The assholes in charge don't have a fucking clue!
As I was reading the article I had to double check to make sure I was not reading The Onion...
Just when you thought these a$$holes running this once proud department couldn't embarrass us any more!
God Bless the C.P.D.
King Shortshanks will not be happy until this department is no longer any threat to him or any member of his family. The graft and corruption for the last 20 years must be astounding. I would like to see just ONE reporter with enough balls to historicaly go back and list all the scandals little and big, I'll bet my pay check there are over 500 if not more directly connected to the King.
In the 1980's the Washington D.C. police department lowered its standards because minorities could not pass the test.
The bottom line . .
many homicide cases and other felonies were thrown out of court because of illiterate reports.
We don't learn from our mistakes.
Holy Sh*t! You can tell shortshanks has lost it, just by looking at him, but now, this proves it.
Weiss, if you have ANY, and I do mean ANY backbone left in you, say something about this idiotic, dangerous idea. All they can do is fire you. But, you'll still get paid.
Daley will completely control who is hired. He can honor the requests of politicans and ministers. Qualifications mean nothing. Anyone can pass the academy so why seek out qualified candidates?
"We were getting people with 60 hours of college credit who were reading at a third-grade level. What do you think you'll get if you have no screening process?"
The great Chicago Public Schools and Junior College system.
If this idea goes through the results will be sad but also unintentionally hilarious. My prediction is the exam will just be dumbed down to a 3rd grade level where everyone passes and then the city can still insist they are testing even though the result will be the same as not giving a test. Lucky for me I will be done and out of here before the end result is fully in place. I feel sorry for the younger officers who will have to suffer through the total destruction of the department. Crazy.
Drop the college requirement.
"merit" police officers.....
Will the selection process be "out sourced" to an unbiased 3rd party to ensure only the best get hired.
No... too much at stake. It will be given to a connected company run by a Daley loyalist. It will take less then 10 years from the first group of those hired to reach exempt rank. I feel sorry for all you young guys and gals with less then 10 years on the job with so much time invested in continuing education and the hopes of making rank. It's a done deal now. Get out before you get vested, or before you have a spouse, a huge mortgage and several small children and get stuck living in the city, or work for some boss who promises to take care of you. He'll be retired and you'll be stuck here. So many great guys who came on in the 70's and early 80's never made rank because they were handcuffed as tests had to be racially normed. So many of these guys wanted to get out but couldn't. They just had a high school education, military or the "mills" work background and a wife, kids and mortgage. They were stuck. They loved the job and were among the best police we had. But they got it shoved up their asses. Don't let that happen to you. Get out now. It's pretty clear now that all Daley is concerned about is his voting base. He could give a rat's ass about city employees. He's got us by the balls.
Off subject, a major snow storm is expected to hit Chicago tonight and Thursday. Obama, Daley and Duncan brag about keeping the city schools open during the storms. It has nothing to do with education, it has to do with providing a babysitting service for all the mom's (no dad's to be found) to be able to go to work. They will be screaming if they have to stay home with their kids.
Their votes count. We need to cater to them. Watch and see, if a bad enough storm hits, every other school district will shut down, not the city's public schools. Wouldn't it make sense to keep 400,000 kids at home, Thousands of teachers, clerks, etc and school buses off the streets for a day to get the problem cleaned up. Nope, there will be school as there is a primary election in less then a month. They want their votes and don't want them angry.
Thanks for allowing me to rant....
and yet, is there anything truly too stupid for this retarded mother fucking son of the late richard j.?
5 years from now, read some of those reports. Think the defense lawyers are salivating at the thought? How about the scum ball lawyers that sue? Mo Money
What a joke this city is. The Chicago Police Department will be the laughing stock of the country if this passes. I'm hispanic and I busted my ass to get on the job. I didn't expect any handouts or would want to get promoted or hired because of my race. These fake ass reverends want to lower the standards so that their buddies and partners in crime can get on the job. Next they'll want to eliminate the power test because it discriminates against overweight people.
Last one out please turn off the lights.
This old man can tell you times sure have changed. It was not uncommon in the early 70's to make the rounds of departments that were hiring and there could be anywhere between 50 and 150 applicants for each vacancy!
There were some tests that were pure bullshit but there were others that used real life examples to see if you had the smarts and common sense to do the job. I can't see any value to scrapping legitimate testing.
And, yes, part of being a good cop is report writing, oral communication and testifying in court. People, especially judges and juries, judge you by how well you present yourself on paper and orally. I thought it was hokey when I had an oral interview for a deputy sheriff's job in Wisconsin and was asked to read aloud a paragraph from Time and another from Readers Digest and to write and read an essay on why I wanted the job. On the way out I asked the sheriff about that and he explianed, "The commission just wants to see if you can read and write."
As for minority hiring, I like what the Kansas City Fire Department's union did. Instead of lowering the standards, they offered classes to job seekers to hopefully raise the quality of the applicant! Not a bad idea.
Since I'm on a roll, the weirdest question I was ever asked on an application was whether I had participated in a demonstration against the draft. (As a veteran, that really pissed me off for reasons beyond the obvious. Didn't we also fight to protect the rights of people to peacefully assemble and protest?)
Weird interview questions:
1. Would you write your mother a ticket? (A. It's about time somebody did.)
2. Where do you want to be in ten years? (A. Chief.)
And I got the job!
I've written both the FOP and my Alderman. I suggest everyone do the same. This is outrageous! Don't stay quiet on this one.
Holy crap... we got the dumbest officers in 5 and they passed the standards!
If this comes to fruition I would hate to be around!
The article says the Daley administration has been exploring other testing options since last fall. Stop voting for Daley.
AMAZING....
I can see it now, gang shooting in the 10 district police station. Stemming from the Lt. flashing a gang sign to the opposing gang member/officers.
We all ready have people on the job that can’t read, write, or speak English.
There is enough CLOUT babies on this job now.
why not just scrap every exam? college entrance, LSAT, MCAT, GRE, Catholic school entrance, ASVAB? Crazy what the department will do to appease the black ministers group.
What ...Ladner the "Shakman" expert not out front on this? It's all a flim flam, smoke and mirrors. Interesting Buscemi is the face man on this. So you can't get the residents to apply who have the qualifications. Oh my, when did qualifications enter into it? Oh that's right, qualifications don't have no reason to be a part of the selection process. I say let's have a national police system of testing etc...It works out for us in portability and the profession. What does it matter if you grew up here or not...except as your clout helps you! Oh that's right: It matters to the politicos in how they control promotions and moves. It has never been more political on this job than now. Free LE from the shackles of politics. Of course as long as crime rates fall, which has nothing to do with numbers of po's on the street, the administration will take credit and cut even deeper. I need some cool-aid!
The Police Department is currently operating at least 2,000 officers-a-day short of authorized strength, counting vacancies, medical leave and limited duty.
Mayor Daley's 2010 budget uses federal stimulus funds to add just 86 officers, 30 of them for the CTA.
That's nowhere near enough hiring to solve a manpower shortage that, Weis fears, will get dramatically worse when as many as 1,000 more officers retire later this year. OH NO THEY PUT IT IN PRINT....LMAO
You have got to be fucking kidding me!
the department already has enough idiots on the job. i think a monkey could pass the exam they give. this department is a JOKE.
Amazing. Since we can't get enough minorities who are smart enough to pass the test, we eliminate the test?
I think that's racist.
Do away with the entrance exam???
Seriously, what are these people smoking?
42 extra-short has tipped his hand in a big way. He's telling the citizens of this city that he doesn't give a fuck about their safety... Period.
Just another way to destroy the Department.
The question that remains is after all is said and done, who in their right mind would want to take this job nowadays? The mentally lazy response of economic hard times is an exercise in circular logic... Epic fail no matter how you look at it or apply it.
So why have any hiring standards at all? Other than being able to breath that is.
The real tax payers should be up in arms over this.
Too stupid for words sums this up nicely... You think the city is up to it's eyeballs in litigation now? Wait until some good citizens get hurt, maimed or killed when shortshanks & j-fart manage to put this ball in play. There won't be shit left of this city but unburied dead rotting in the streets. That will be an unmitigated disaster they will not be able to pin on the blueshirts no matter how they try to twist it.
This is all Daley & Weis' God-awful ugly baby and the local media, runnin' dog rev'runs and alderwhores are the Godparents.
The best view of Chicago will be in our rear-view mirror...
Why would some blacks actually ask for preferential treatment? Isn't that insulting?
My next door neighbors are Korean and across the street are Indian. Guess what? All of their kids are going to top notch universities. Yeah, top notch universities. The Korean kids are going to MIT and Cal Tech. The Indian kids are going to University of Chicago.
My wife is a school teacher of 28 years and said without a doubt, even the Asian kids outperform their white counterparts. So I guess we must be living in a racist society if Asians can outperform whites.
scc, please put up some blackhawk threads--- the hawks are the number one team in hockey and we might have to wait another 50 years for it to happen again--- don't worry, you won't jinx the mojo-------
Promotions and hiring should be about ability and brains, not about who you know or race
Captain Obvious statement of the article: "Hiring and promotions in the Police and Fire Departments have generated controversy in Chicago for as long as anyone can remember." No duh!
That quote was priceless.
Well considering that 20% of the admin never took a test to get on the job (and look at how great they are) why is this such a surprise? Look at the job related experience that many of Daleys Department heads have. You have a guy running the CTA that probably has never riden a bus. You have a guy running the schools that has never been a teacher. You have a guy running streets and san that has never picked up a shovel. And you have a guy running the police department that has never been the police. You gotta love Chicago. And big thanks to all you retards that keep reelecting him.
In that case can I make sergeant without taking a test ??????
isnt it bad enough with the ''coffee shop college grads'' and the military screwballs? they cant make a decision on their own. the exams are easy enough....do you want forrest gump handling service calls? like i always said...being PC sure can screw things up.
This way ALL hiring and soon all promotions can be by appointment and political. Makes perfect sense, from a clout point of view.
Merit and affirmative action is just so stupid people can get hired an promoted!
Even Daley and the City Council can't be THAT stupid. As a P.O. of over twenty years,and a African American,to hire anyone for the job of Police Officer without aptitude testing and screening is inviting disaster. We're talking about people who routinely make life and death decisions and are authorized to use deadly force. As long is the testing/screening is fair and above board, minorities should have no problem competing for ANY position. As long as they can meet the minimum qualifications.
they did the same thing with the firefighters exam.
I've heard rumors that police may have to do "paperwork" on occasion.
How about testing for general English literacy?
Just an idea. I know it might be a crazy idea.
Even without the city lowering the age to receive retired medical benefits I may just go. This is ridiculous.
Ultimately it's the mayors dream. He could control all hiring and promotion in the department.
Think of the Police Department as an extension of Streets and Sanitation or the Forestry Folks.
"Hey, this is Vic from Bridgeport. He's been with da police now for 18 months. Mostly working in da property sex-tion. We're gonna make him a Sergeant. We checked him out and tested him. He owns two porkpie hats and drinks with any number of organized crime figures while "working" his side gig over at McCormick Place with da riggers."
Wonderful, that way the testing process will be more fare. Bring better officers to the city and stop or slow the the law suits against the city. Ya right ! Another joke making this department a bigger joke for even allowing that subject to be printed.
Who cares my uncle is going to make me Sergeant anyway he is a Reverend and he really runs this city.
Signed
The clout copper
as it is we have a lot of coppers who don't know how to write so yea this makes sense!
This city/department is getting stupider by the second
Nolle Brennan...where are you....
TOO STUPID TO EVEN WASTE ANY TIME ON......opsssssssss....I just did....never mind.
What Test LoL...The sgt test means nothing so why shouldnt the entrance exam. bottom line if your a wht male your screwed
Maybe Shortskanks and his puppet Quinn can just give the early parolees stars and have them fill the 2,000+ manpower crisis.
The CPD will soon be beyond desperate to fill the vacancies. It's not like anybody has addressed the serious manpower crisis until now.
Welcome to Detroit II!
It's here!
Just wait until the average Joe copper wakes up and discovers there is no pension coming.
This city and this department are beyond a joke, this is unreal!
Just post the prices for Patrolman, Sergeant, Lieutenant, Captain and exempt rank.
Might as well at this point, there is no legitimacy to anything remotely associated with the CPD anymore.
There is NO need for a Federal Hiring Monitor!
There is NO need to show aptitude on an entrance exam for the CPD!
Richard M. Daley aka Da King
If you are not a member in good standing of the Party (democRAT), forget about it.
This has Tracey Ladner written all over it. She will not be satisfied until the Department is 75% black and 50% female. Without a doubt the single most destructive move hoisted on the CPD was the elevation of this racist woman to her current position.
PS: don't blame Jody on this one. She came directly from the Hall - she passed GO and collected a hell of alot more than $200.00. She is actually paid more than any of the other sworn Commanders/Directors in the Department. Guess it's because she's so smart. Not every lawyer can loose the Shakman case against the City with the flair she lost it with.
In ten years the CPD will put the New Orleans PD to shame with scandal.
NOPD in its darkest hour, will outshine what the CPD is turning into.
The Chicago Police Department is seriously considering scrapping the police entrance exam to bolster minority hiring, save millions on test preparation and avert costly legal battles that have dogged the exam process for decades, City Hall sources said Tuesday.
If the process is opened to everyone who applies and meets the minimum education and residency requirements, Chicago would be virtually alone among major cities. Most cities have police entrance exams -- and for good reason, experts say.
The City has a hidden agenda(s) behind this idea. If they only knew how much is clearly visible. INCONCEIVABLE!!!
The new General Order for homicide reporting will state that the GOCR must contain at least one paragraph in the narrative. Spelling, grammar and punctuation will not matter.
Man finded on street dead. R/O not seer how it happen but thank somebidy kilt him and run way. R/O looked to find bad guy but cant. R/O hope dicticeve catch him. Dere was gat on groond too.
The dumbing down of America continues...
It must be asumed that short shanks does not care about quality of recruits but minority representation. He orders the academy to push physical fitness and not academics. Unfortunately, CPD are not firemen and have to read and write. Muscles alone do not make a qualified recruit. Without a test, we have to rely on personnel to select the qualified candidates and their past record is embarassing. Where is Weiss?
Considering how stupid some coppers are, with the mandatory college requirement and after passing an entrance exam, this is going to be really good.
And you thought that things couldn't get any worse than they are now, LMAO.
Reno 911 doesn't hold a candle to the CPD.
Tell me this is all just a bad dream. Please someone wake me up from this horrible nightmare.
Already have a ton of people that shouldn't be the police...
When will the drug screen and no felony conviction requirement be lifted?
Chicago is such a PROGRESSIVE town!
If you have less than 5 bail now!
Anyone even contemplating coming on this job today is insane.
I hear that Daley wants to abolish the Bar exam too. It took him three times to pass it and he wasn't the one who took it the third time.
Atleast article did state we are operating 2000 short with 1000 retirees next year. That should open some eyes.....
I can't wait to see the future scandal headlines and civil suits that result from this brainstorm.
Only in the nation's Capitol of Corruption.
CPD the laughingstock of law enforcement.
are they completely serious about no testing for hiring???Are they as crazy as the people they'll eventually hire??
Arizona can't be too far away
With some of the shit heads they hired in the past 5 years ex. Gangbangers and dumb asses you would think they already did this. Prime example the vice lord that got his unregistered glock "stolen" (aka let his gangbanger friend borrow) that worked in 011 then got locked up in 017 for dragging his girlfriend down the street. The same guy that was seen speeding away from a shots fired call in the same car the caller said the "offender" was in. And when he was pulled over was sitting on his gun with the holster on the floorboard on the passanger side.
I just saw that on the news. Had to look around for Ashton Kutcher, thought i was being punked. Low and behold its true. I am convinced that J-fed and the mayor are trying to sandbag our dept. every cance they get.
This is too stupid of an idea to be true. they say they will save millions in testing, but how much more will they pay out once the lawsuits start coming in?
unfucking believable sums it up. yes, to stupid to be true. since when was the written test so hard anyways? wtf.
Welp, if they ever do decide to have another entrance exam, I know what to do this time around... Lie, lie, lie. Seriously, 1st time bounced for insufficient college credits, 2nd time bounced for being honest on the psych, i'm not making the same mistakes again.
R
I think you need some kind of entrance exam to screen out the truly dumb, but the problem is that the vast majority of CPS grads (and non-grads) would fail it. The powers that be want to have lots of the "right" kind of people get hired, and if you base it on a test, it will be tough to rig the test so those people are at the top of the list.
I remember over 20 years ago when I was in the academy there were MANY who couldn't write a sentence that made any sense on a case report....and this was WITH testing. I could only imagine what we are going to get with open season hiring. I'm glad I can retire soon.
kma club member
Ok, on further reading of the article, after I got up off the floor, I think the City may be looking for a way to hire more military vets.
Obviously long distance testing is difficult. How about checking out their military entrance scores.(ASVAB?)
Set a standard and then use that score and allow military veterans another method of entering the department. For those who aren't currently in the military keep testing.
Voila!
Thank you and I'd like a big fat consulting contract for that idea.
Send the check to Vanecko/Patrick Daley Enterprises.
I thought that my CPD had been declining over the last few years, thanks mostly to 42 Short. Now I am just sickened that he wants to accelerate the demise of this organization. This proposal of his is too cynical for words.
Why not?
No one in our upper Echelon takes friggin' tests and most are idiots. . .
. . . some can't read and most can't speak, especially when it comes to Diarrhea (? Cual diarrhea ?) of the mouth whilst giving press conferences.
Think of the blog material in the years to come, if no entrance tests!
WAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Dear God, it's almost completely over. We'll never recover from the rule of Shortshanks.
He must have hated this place so much as a child of the Boss that he vowed to destroy it when he could. He's nearly met his sinister goal.
All u gots to do is shoe youre driver lsense, 60 ours from malcolmX and link card to get in.
because it is so stupid it sounds like something the sups group would come up with. The past repeats itself
No sane smart college educated person wants this job! those that are here are stuck here
If I were a minority I'd be upset with being basically called an idiot.
This job will become a patronage haven for every political hack in Chicago..... You will need an alderman's blessing get on this job. It's already FUBAR as it is now with nepotism, favortism, and J-Fed & Co.
This is a totally moronic sugestion by someone that is either not a cop or has spent all his career as a cop working indoors. Its bad enough we have a few individuals on the job who clearly dont belong, who were hired with the current methods in place. The last bit of pride left, given our current morale, in being a police officer in Chicago will go out the door.
HEADLINES:
"No more testing process for Chicago police recruits."
All (new) po-lice recruits will NOW be 'appointed' by the alderpersons of the shitty council.
Fair? Hell, no... it's the Chicago way!
Move along nuttin' to see here.
Wow. Thought we had already hit rock bottom.
Remember the "Police Academy" movies?
They were an omen...
Yup, they have really lost there minds now. Jagmo daley is so bent on destroying the dept that he is floating every moronic idea he can think of to kill moral and bust this job down to LAZ parking or dept of Revenue standards.Ever see the idiots they hired?? hahaha I never seen one without a westside hoodie on. He wants expendable shitheads that he can fire when he wants, pay them shit, no pensions,no health care, report takers that are inept and unprofessional... kind of like IPRA investigators and corporation counsels. Chicago is the laughing stock of the entire civilized world. 20 and out and a relo and a finger.
I work in Area 2. I dont believe we have used any type of exam to weed out the stupid in 10 years or so.
Un-fucking-believable is right. To call it penny wise and pound foolish is an understatement. Sheesh!
It is insulting that these are the type of morons that we work for.
The Stuttering Prick could not pass the bar exam if his life depended on it. I'd love to see his SAT and ACT scores. He may be an idiot savant in politics. His rationale: if I can be a dumb fuck, so can the police. Clout rules!
Don't think for a second that we haven't had many bright black and Hispanic working street cops who were passed over for promotion because they had no clout. Ditto for us honkies.
He will play the reverse race card just to get total control over all hiring and promotions. Mensa members need not apply unless they're prepared to suck dick.
Pathetic!
OT: McCotter put his papers in yesterday.
1/06/2010 12:10:00 AM
He got the job with the STATE to oversee prisoner early release program. Quinn is trying to save face with the people by putting someone over the Director of the prisons.
Yet another way to cheapen this job and make it as common as shoveling sh*t. Pathetic.
As the system is set up now, it takes about a minimum of 2 years to get on the job from taking the test to starting the academy. As of late even longer because of a lack of hiring.
Even with this processing we STILL get WAY TOO MANY unqualified people that should not be in this career path. It is not a back breaking hard job, but it does require some sense and occasional some physical ability.
If they feel they will save money by eliminating testing elements, well they will make up for the savings on law suits later. How many dumbass, gang banger, useless, unqualified people will do terrible things with the powers we are given???
Looking back within the past 10 or 20 years alone, you can see some of the people that slipped past the screening and have brought discredit to all of us. Not to mention the MILLIONS if not BILLIONS of dollars at this point that have paid out on lawsuits based on their actions.
I don't even need to use racist or sexist terms to sum this up, it is just stupid. Sadly, contrary to what the FOP says, nothing is too stupid to not be true in this city anymore.
F.U.B.A.R
This department is going to be a fucking laughing stock. I am white and work in an all black neighborhood. I have never seen a citizen have a problem talking to me because I'm white. Even the hood rats would, I'm sure, rather have the most competent officer handle their case rather than one who may be their same race. Sacrificing hiring standards for police in the name of diversity is a big, big, big mistake.
I know we all know this, but someone clue in shortshanks: Eliminating the entrance exam would not help the people that would have a problem with the test. After training you have to pass a state test and if you don't pass it you are terminated. So if you eliminate the initial test because some people can't pass the initial test how will they pass that one? And if they can't a lot of tax money went for nothing.
Hmmm...sounds like a lot of hibbity jibbity to me. Look at what we end up with when we do have testing, and minimum requirements...the B.Q., Aunt B., the list goes on. I can only imagine what we will end up with if the testing goes the way of "da revs"...and dat ain't no hibbity jibbity...mmmm hhmmmm.
What fucking idiots!!! We have this exam and we still get a bunch of idiots on this department!! Imagine the recruit pool if the basic exam, which a 5th grader can pass, is diposed of.
McCotter and Quinn. Who knew?
so let me get this right, the revs want more of their following hired, but realize that they are not capable of passing a test to get the job. So then, lets take away the test and admit that their following are........... ...................not .............. oh yea, at the front of the class. And we as a department take these suggestions seriously. God help us all!!
Why stop there??? Lets hire felons...and maybe a new uniform look!!! We can all wear our pants and gun belt around the middle of our asses...I'm a female, but I'll even start wearing boxers...you know for the look!!!!
I can't believe it. Pretty soon they will be having recruits that can't even use a knife and fork.
That has to be one of the dumbest things I have heard yet. Are they going to do background checks on these people? Can anyone just put in an application and be considered?
That explains the city, the management staff in our department to a T...
This mayor is determined to DESTROY this city before he goes, isn't he?
When I came on, they had 32 hours of REMEDIAL READING in the academy, as they were hiring the tail end of the list from the 1976 (or was it 1975?) test. Our class was hired off the 1981 test and we could not fathom why 32 hours of class time would be wasted on spelling tests, but apparently it was necessary for a lot of the last hires from the old test.
I give a damn WHAT race the police officer is when I call 911; I just want the most cabable and competent one in the world to show up at my door.
Can you just IMAGINE what fine candidates we would get with NO testing process? Thank God I'm out of here next year. They are decimating what was once a fine quality police force.
Would you expect anything less?
In this economy, where people are desperate for jobs, coupled with the fact that our lousy mayor isn't hiring much these days should RAISE the standard for possible applicants. More applicants for essentially a handful of jobs should give the opportunity to really get the cream of the crop. Instead, we're gonna open the door to any asshole with a shit education from our rotten schools and a desire to get paid. God help us if this is true.
YOU WANT TO MAKE THE TEST EQUAL, THEN TAKE THE PEOPLE WITH THE TOP SCORES PERIOD!!!!!!!!
Just when you think they couldn't lower the bar any further...
Excellence, achievement, intelligence, standards, leadership, integrity, esprit de corps and honor are now meaningless in the Peoples' Republic of Chicago.
Let's go for the dregs. If it has a pulse and clout, hire it. Then promote it. The endless pursuit of mediocrity continues unabated.
God help the American electorate. Any politician spawned in deeply entrenched Chicago graft and corruption should have set off red flags across the nation, even among the dumbed down and the brain dead.
With apathy, monolithic minority voting patterns and the "white guilt" morons, our city and nation are doomed.
Have you EVER heard of a city where a gaggle of fake "Reverends" controlled and completely destroyed one of the largest police Departments in the world? It's like something out of a Stephen King book, only it's not fiction...and it's so much scarier!
As long as we're on topic, thanks a lot for CHIEF Ernie, oh mystery "Reverend" who has Daley's ear...and fear.
Does anyone remember the front page story about then recently demoted lieutenant Ernie being rejected by an Arizona Department because he LIED on his resume? Never fear...just a few months later the "Reverends" demand a promotion for this scumbag and low and behold, CHIEF Ernie is born!
In the history of this once proud Department, has there ever been an exempt, especially a CHIEF (!!!) with the CR and EEOC history of this despicable thug? How can this happen?
Silly, silly, silly...
Uhhh...
Time to move out?
Are people in charge insane?
You have got to be kidding me! Everyone knows that gangbangers slip thru the cracks, now the truly stupid are going to slip thru the cracks as well. If you can't pass a test as truly basic as the one the department already uses then you have no business being a police officer. You have to be able to read at an eighth grade level to read,comprehend and apply not only state statutes but also the truly archaic and ludicrious city ordinances. However, knowing how Daley likes to force the city council to do his bidding it's all but a done deal. God help us when the shitheads (who were lucky enough to graduate from eighth grade or high school) from Ohio/Springfield or the kings from 26th street or any of the other assorted fine upstanding citizens who want a job where they can legally own and carry a concealed firearm(s) on their person 24/7. I can't wait for the all new and improved CPD!
This is GREAT! Now I can concentrate on studying for the Streets and San test!
IT HAS OFFICIALLY SUNK.
Welcome back to top drawer hiring. Yep, just step right up and place that sealed envelope with non-sequential bills in the alderman's top drawer and he will make you the police. If you pay him enough he will make you an exempt.
The city and the Department have been going through the mantra "what was old is new again" so much they are believing their own hype. Just be prepared for the bloodletting and sacrifices to come.
Sixty hours of college credit and these some of these mopes are still reading at the third grade level? That says a lot about the state of our educational system. I say screw the degree requirement cause having a degree is worthless these days. I have known many a fool who had a Masters degree in my time. Some of the most ignorant, illiterate people have college degrees. Best to give every applicant a reading and writing test, because that is going to be a huge part of the job as a police officer. It is an embarrassment to any police agency to see one of their own torn up in court because the report that they wrote sounds like it came out of the 5th grade. Police need to be able to read and write well, have common sense, courage and a thick skin. Once you find someone with those attributes, that's half the battle. Not enough minorities can make the grade? Too bad. Try harder.
wow
SHIP HAS SUNK!
LOLOLOLOLOL - yeah, right. We don't have enough stupid people on this job now - lets get some more!
It b a sunk muthafucker
If the city gets rid of the civil service exam, will that eliminate civil service protection?
I actually had some co-workers try and justify this idea to me. I could not believe their logic.
"scrapping the police entrance exam to bolster minority hiring,"
You'd think minorities would be offended by this - except the article isn't saying anything we don't already know. Why are we lowering the bar for ANYONE?!
These are the people us citizens depend on to keep us safe outside of our homes...I'm all for making it TOUGHER to get in, but hiring a lot more police.
Lets hand everyone a gun and keys to a squad....also reminds me of the movie "Police Academy".....Un-F'n-believable....
I FEEL REAL BAD FOR THE PEOPLE THAT MADE THE LIST AND HAD TO WORK HARD TO DO THAT. SO YA KINDA BOGUS. ARE WE EVER GOING TO GET MORE POS ON THE STREET? ID LOVE TO GET ON AND I HAVE THE EDUCATION, AND I CAN DO IT, BUT OF COURSE I BEEN WAITING AROUND LIKE MANY OTHER PEOPLE AND DONT SEE IT HAPPENING. GUESS ITS OFF TO THE BURBS.
Are u kidding?????? What a fricking joke!!! PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE...I hope the public NOW see's what Daley thinks of you & your family!!! Ask yourself this...would Daley & his family have these "new hires" as his 24/7 security detail??? But good enough for you & yours!!!
from the article:
"..Hiring and promotions in the Police and Fire Departments have generated controversy in Chicago for as long as anyone can remember.
The criticism reached a crescendo in 1994 after a sergeants exam produced just five minority promotions out of 114.
The test was the first to be administered by the city after "race-norming" -- the practice of adjusting scores on the basis of race -- was ruled unconstitutional..."
Tell me again- why was this a bad idea???
WGN NEWS POLL: NO WAY
As an ambitious young fellow on the job, I am all for it. This policy will inject all kinds of stupid fucks into the competitive pool competing for the same upward movement for wich I will be seeking. The less academic capicity of the competitive pool, the better for ME
It was an interesting tour today. Lots of talk about this subject and to a man (and woman) the Officers 'of color' were incredibly insulted by the unspoken inference that minorities are not smart enough to pass a test.
I don't know who is responsible for putting this forward, but I hope he/she is unemployed by morning.
SOOOO WHO CAME UP WITH THE IDEA?
COULD IT BE B. CUELLO AND HER MINDBOGGLING WAGONS W/ CAMERAS.
MASTER IDEA OF POWER TEST FOR COMMANDER!
KIRBYS IDEA OF LETTING WITNESSES LEAVE THE SCENE OF HOMICIDES!
J-FEDS SURVEY OF THE TROOPS THAT WAS NEVER USED!
RIC FLAIR CLAIMING TO BE THE 2ND COMING WHEN CRIME IS DOWN EVERYWHERE IN THE U.S.
SHORT SHANK WHO SOLD THE METER AND SPENT ALL THE CASH!!!
IT SADS TO SAY THAT ARE EXEMPT AND ELECTED OFFICIAL ARE DESTROYING THIS DEPARTMENT FASTER THAN ABBATE COULD KNOCK DOWN A POLISH GIRL.
WE MAY BE WORKING A LITTLE SLOWER BUT W.T.F. WHO COMES UP W/ THESE IDEAS!!!
IM GLAD J-FED WAS ORDERED TO STAY OF THE TUBE BY SHORT SHANK!
U DIDNT THINK ALL THESE EXEMPTS HAD BALLS TO DO INTERVIEWS...
AND U SEE HOW WELL THAT IS GOING!
Let's not be too quick to rush to judgement here, SCC.
After all, the department is going to need uneducated, bottom-of-the barrel, slack-jawed, clout-heavy fools to take the helm of the S.S. CPD when the current crop of uneducated, bottom-of-the-barrel, slack-jawed, clout-heavy fools that currently occupy the upper-echelon are long gone.
Stupid out, stupid in. Just like it's been for as long as I can remember.
OT
Obama is about to screw us
AP sources: Obama OKs taxing high-end health plans
By ERICA WERNER, Associated Press Writer Erica Werner, Associated Press Writer – Wed Jan 6, 6:52 pm ET
WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama signaled to House Democratic leaders Wednesday that they'll have to drop their opposition to taxing high-end health insurance plans to pay for health coverage for millions of uninsured Americans.
In a meeting at the White House, Obama expressed his preference for the insurance tax contained in the Senate's health overhaul bill, but largely opposed by House Democrats and organized labor, Democratic aides said. The aides spoke on condition of anonymity because the meeting was private.
what gang does your partner belong to????
If were not now the laughing stock of police departments nationwide, this would put us on top by a long shot. You have to have a testing process for police, have they lost thier minds??? We get enough idoits getting in with the testing process they have now. They need to require a bachalor degree with a stickter back ground check. With so many people out of work they sould be able to get plenty of qualified applicants. When I took the test, 30,000 people took it and they hired 700.
What a fucking joke...
I thought Martin Luther King fought for "nothing should be based on the color of your skin". Today, sadly, everything is based just on that.
most democrats would still FAIL !
After these dumb fucks get on the job, they get promoted all the way without exams anyway, they call it merit.
daley just wants to hire more dumb fucks that will be loyal to him with out question. The more people that "owe" shanks their jobs, the more docile the employee becomes. He wants to be sure that they will sign a promise to never embarass him by marching on city hall. When daley ask his employee's "Who Be Your Daddy" ! He wants them to kneel & yell in unison "Daley ! Daley ! Daley !.....
These responses are sad. I am thankful I am not a minority. And to imagine, they have to work with us everyday knowing this is how the vast majority of us feel.
I don't think the article explained everything correctly. To be honest, I worked in Personnel and had to do the follow-up interviews. Of the people drawn from the pool, the majority of those that were qualified with the 2 years of education were largely minority. Also, if you look at those taking the promotional exams, the majority of us old timers and those with at least 10 years on, prior to the education requirement of 2 years, minorities far outweighed us in their qualification.
Just food for thought!
So what happens to testing in the academy. Are we going to dumb those down or eliminate them? Doesn't the physical exam discriminate against fat people? Guess that has to go. Ultimately, if you can't pass this very simple test then how can you get through the academy? Are we really saving money if 70% of the class washes out of the academy? This city is a divine comedy!
" Anonymous said...
What ?
They can't seriously even consider this. If anything they should make the exam harder to weed out the people that are nor qualified. "
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They can't do that. Certain communities would consider it as discrimination to keep them from being hired. Look what merit promotions have done to the department. We're being overrun by George Stevens & Andrew H. Brown clones.
We've gone from being a semi-military organization to a gaggle of goofs leading the department.
These are sad days indeed !!
Do you think the FBI will drop their entrance exam as well?
Thats why I love bosses that stand up for themselves and don't give a fuck what the politicians, reverends, the Exempts or the Mayor fucking thinks. Very few of them left, but one keeps being dogged on here. I would work for him anyday and he is a merit black!
"i'm not making the same mistakes again.
R
1/06/2010 04:37:00 PM"
and yet, you're declaring that you intend to try it "one, more, time".
go figure.
"Just food for thought!
1/06/2010 11:38:00 PM"
would that food be chicken wings?
A college buddy worked himself up to a chief in the burbs. He had a vacancy and the person at the top of the eligibility list was a black woman with a degree and eight years in the military. He told me that at the end of the final interview he said to her, "If you're willing to take a chance on us, we're willing to take a chance on you." The city manager took a preemptive p.r. strike and leaked to the media that the new hire was degreed, at the top of the eligibility list and was hired not because of her race or gender but because she was number one, the most qualified person for the job. As for the townfolk, they love her. It's the dirtbags who demand that the "sista" cut them some slack who hate her balls.
I always felt "minority hiring" and quotas were an insult to qualified people of color because it implied they were inherently incapable. To do away with testing as a means of increasing diversity is absurd and insulting.
BTW--some of the people I learned the most from were some of the old black cops hired in the days before affirmative action and quotas.
In the history of this once proud Department, has there ever been an exempt, especially a CHIEF (!!!) with the CR and EEOC history of this despicable thug? How can this happen?
You must not have been around when Crazy Joe Curtin , ex CMDR of 025 and Inspections was here.
He used to brag about the 300 CR numbers he got going up the ranks.
He also bragged about Crook-Ed Burke being his clout.
I don't want to get to the point where I have to call for a Spanish interpreter to talk to my own partner.
Yeah, it'll open up the process... to the highest bidder and/or best vote getter- or ass kisser...
Actually its because alot of Blacks and other minority people don't want this job. So this bullshit about doing away with the test to draw more minorities is a crock of shit. People who want this job, will show up to take the test regardless of their race.
oh man ,i hope they drop the drug testing next....puff-puff-pass bitches!!!!!
And too bad there'll probably still be only 5 training districts when all these shitbags hit the streets after graduation.
That equates to approximately 30-45 FTO's that will be around with the capability to flunk these mouth-breathers.
I am a retired P.O. My son took that Nov. test and finished #6. He passed all of the tests after being notified to appear. When He finished the power test and it came time to turn in his college transcripts he was told he was disqualified because he didnt finish his college until jan and according to the test it was to be concluded by Dec. Broke his heart after going to school and studying for the exam. they have just started hiring off that list. Now they are going to do this. It just goes to show you qualified people need not apply.
Better yet, why not eliminate the academy as well to save money and just have on the job training?
1/06/2010 06:58:00 PM
"After training you have to pass a state test..."
Heh... probably not in the bizarro world of shortshanks.
He's probably thinking "fuck a state exam, there'll be no need for the useful idiots to have Police powers beyond the corporate boundaries of Chicago anyway."
Quinn and the legislature will fart, roll over, assume a new position and say 42 extra-short has home rule so he can do whatever the hell he wants with HIS Police department.
Taa-Daa!
We know the above supposition is far fetched. (ehh... maybe not)
So?
What say ye now feeb carpetbaggers?
You morons never figured the CPD vehicle would just spontaneously disassemble itself so completely while you dummies were in it huh?
Come in, head hunt some lowly blueshirts, fire some bosses to spread fear and you would be free to steal three years of salary grab a gold star pension on the way out huh? SUCKAHS!!!
Shortshanks left you fools holding a big leaky bag of doo-doo and nobody to pass it off to... You geniuses have played yourselves thinking everyone else was stupid... HAAAA-HAAAAAAAA!
We raise a glass of Booker's with a Dr. Pepper wash in utter amusement as we recline with an awesome Comacho cigar... None for you little manlings.
I know that this may sound dumb and that I'm sure that someone would get the required "help" needed, but, there is still the State written exam and that is always the "out" for the city. Fail the state exam 3 times...poof. YOU ARE GONE, no lawsuit, no retread, no nothin...you are the weakest link...GOOD-BYE!
Jim said...
This way ALL hiring and soon all promotions can be by appointment and political. Makes perfect sense, from a clout point of view.
Merit and affirmative action is just so stupid people can get hired an promoted!
You nailed it.
Don't buy into the smoke and mirrors excuses given about law suits and not enough minorites on the job. THIS IS ABOUT CONTROLLING THE DEPARTMENT!!! Daley does not give a damn about the color of an officers skin. When we marched on city hall....Daley got a taste of our unity and strength and he did not like it. And at that point the planning went into stealth mode to bring this department under his thumb, and what better way to do that than to have total control over hiring. You will owe your job to your political sponsor. And that is were this B.S. is going. Weather you want to believe this or not ....... any officer on this job without clout,... juice,... a chinaman, is in the same boat weather you're white, black, hispanic etc. Now get out there a get some contact cards!!!!
The last Fire Dept written test was given at a 9th grade reading level. I took it and it was a complete and utter joke!
To 07:48 p.m.
Do you see the irony in your statement?
I give a damn WHAT race the police officer is when I call 911; I just want the most cabable and competent one in the world to show up at my door.
Perhaps some time in a proofreading and/or spelling class would have helped. I can imagine what your case reports must look like.
Here is an example of the caliber of officer currently in our ranks. I'm assuming the poster is presently and officer.
Anonymous said...
If were not now the laughing stock of police departments nationwide, this would put us on top by a long shot. (we're or we are)You have to have a testing process for police, have they lost thier (sp) minds??? (run-on sentence)We get enough idoits(sp) getting in with the testing process they have now. They need to require a bachalor(sp) degree with a stickter(sp) back ground check. With so many people out of work they sould (sp) be able to get plenty of qualified applicants. (Subordinate clause, comma needed) When I took the test, 30,000 people took it and they hired 700.
1/06/2010 11:07:00 PM
The explanations in parenthesis are pointing out errors. There are other errors as well.
I am not a grammar expert. Actually, English is my second language and I am not white.
Imagine what we will get without entrance exams.
I remember the the city hired a company to evaluate the hiring process. The company suggested more testing and hire education requirerments. this would send us backwards.
I work in Area 2 and some of the case reports I get now I can't believe were written by an adult. Don't make it worse then it already is..... Increase the hiring standard. It would be slap in the face to every cop the was hired through testing.
Sorry to see Lt. John Franlin go. He is a class individual. I worked with him in 011. Sharp guy, who just wants the right thing done.
I told John the the other night, "It was nice to work with you and for you." John stated, "It was nice to work with you too."
Boss, good luck in your new career!
WOW! AAGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! this city is sooo frustrating
start calling city hall. with wtf. we can make some noise too...
I don't get it, are they suggesting all minorities are stupid and can perform on tests??
Hmmmm...
The testing and screening process didn't weed out all the goofy, stupid, moronic, no branches on the family tree bosses, politicians and rev'runs kids and kinsmen let alone the garden variety of misfits and mutts of ALL stripes...
You have a picnic, you'll draw all kinds of unwelcome critters whether they walk upright, run on all fours, fly, scamper, skitter or slither.
Political interference & meddling with the Police Department has compromised officer and civilian safety.
Hiring standards should be stricter if anything.
IQ testing SHOULD be done! Wonderlic perhaps? Complex problem solving sets DEFINITELY!
Reading and comprehension SHOULD be at a minimum of 12th grade level. Pre-employment writing samples SHOULD be tendered by the applicants.
The real problem is the City of Chicago tries to do things on the cheap. Officers with college degrees SHOULD BE PAID A PREMIUM as they are in places like L.A.
At least Bratton recognized that you must pay for quality.
(...and for what it's worth, we do wish that Bratton had or was able to copyright his frame work for Comp-Stat and other notions before he interviewed for CPD. shorty would never hire someone like a Bratton but will steal the fuck out of their ideas. would have been fun to see shorty on the horns for a big copyright infringement suit for stealing from people he interviews for Supt. a possible hint for all of the future outside supt. candidates.)
We would be remiss if we did not point out that during our L.E. sojourn we have worked with and for some of the most brilliant people God has allowed to walk the earth. Those times were times of absolute joy. On the other hand we have worked with and for some of the biggest most flaming Romper-Room rejects that ever greased themselves up and slipped through a screening process. Labored breathing when applied to some of them was an understatement...
It's a no-lose as an issue for Hizzoner. The press gets its story du jour and Daley gets his sensation--and everybody else has just another issue to keep track of.
So of course it's ridiculous, but it's also a method of keeping power.
Divide and distract: the FOP has another issue on its plate, something that wastes time and keeps their eyes off the prize--which is, a contract.
They'll delay hiring until this matter is cleared up--just another delay to filling the academy.
Be smart now--it's not about affirmative action. That's a way to divide your rank and file by race and keep you separated. The real issues are United issues, and they are a contract, getting recruits into the academy, and a set of standards that are already on the sidebar of this blog.
Make sure your FOP stays on point and doesn't waste a lot of time on this issue. It would be bad--but I don't believe Daley is committed to it so much as he is to keeping everybody in an unsettled state of mind--and the academy closed.
Furthermore, all FOP has to do is talk about the city's increased liability if untested cops hit the street. Have FOP ask Daley how the city plans to get insurance for this bullshit. Or to pay the premium on it. If that doesn't work, then they can take that to the press, and make it look like the skank.
I am so very happy to be more near the end of this career than the beginning.
To those with 10 years or more left: God help you.
They can do away with all exams, on promotional exams, just list your clout and family ties. that is enough. The city will save the expense and charade of grading the tests that way.
Just another way of dumming down America. Pathetic.
Hey why not drop all entrance exams so everyone has a chance to be a lawyer, doctor, nurse, secret service agent, Fbi agent, etc. There are tests for certain jobs to help maintain some integrety. Another reason why Daley must go!
That will certainly keep the cream of the crop away....hey, they are opening this to everyone and anyone, who wants to be a part of that? Why would I want to work next to someone who can't even spell their name or you can't understand? The tax paying citzens deserve better.
Wait, there was an entrance exam?
you don't have to be a rocket scientist to write citations and fill out case reports--- the tac/ gang teams will be put back into uniform for the summer of 2010 to handle beat car jobs because the manpower shortage will be acute... the w/c's will be scraping the barrel trying to keep enough people in cars to handle jobs--- if time due gets denied people are just going to hit the medical--- top management is aware that a mnapower shortage is forthcoming and were stonewalled by king richard--- the safety of the citizens and police officers is being put at risk--- just watch all the finger pointing that will go on when the whole thing blows up.....
How Looowww Can You Go?
Seriously. As if Chicago wasn't already the laughingstock of Law Enforcement in this country.
As least now we have some "criteria" to seperate the jagoffs from ideal candidates.
Does anyone who has the power to make decisions and change policy in this department have a fucking brain.
We have an entrance exam now and the department is full of thug gangbanging jagoffs.
I feel like Dorothy Gale. 7 more years. 7 more years. 7 more years. 7 more years.
Those dummies who can't past the test will be your next exempt boss...oh wait, we have that already.
To 1/06/2010 10:51:00 AM,
You sound like you would have been one of the many that would have benefited from no test. If I could ask you to pull your head out of your ass for one moment you might see that an entrance exam is required in almost all areas. Would you want colleges to stop requiring entrance exams just so they could satisfy some fake reverends? If you pull the police entrance exam then what happens when those who would have been weeded out from that process get into the academy? Will SPECIAL ED class rooms be formed for those who fall behind?
You then go on to say that they still will weed people out during the rest of the process, the physical, psyc, backround check. Really? If you believe that then you really are stupid.
What would help would be to stop politicizing the job. End the magical "phone call" to a clouted one. Of course that will never happen.
29 and a day, where are you?
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