FOP Board Meeting Today
Different from the General Meeting, but since it's election day today, perhaps someone would like to show up and ask the Board how they managed to let an endorsement go through for a lawyer who defends people who shoot cops. The meeting is at 9 or 10 am we think.
Here's Mark Donahue's latest reply to a reader of ours when he asked how this happened:
Here's a clue Mark - politicians have axes to grind and agendas to pursue. You and your ticket were elected to look out for the members' interests. You seem to have failed - badly - and you want to blame the membership? Did you even ask the membership if they had any experiences with those seeking the FOP endorsement? We didn't see a list of names in the newsletter or the website.
Once a lawyer dips their beak into defending those who would murder us, there's really no return to our good graces. The same might be said for those who endorse those same lawyers.
Here's Mark Donahue's latest reply to a reader of ours when he asked how this happened:
- It should be obvious that we didn't know. Gallagher came recommended from Police and Politicians alike. Had we heard from our members before the endorsement process began, I'm sure the outcome would be different. Gallagher has been out there campaigning since last June and no one came up with this info till this past Friday. He is running unopposed in the primary and we will be able to take corrective measures in the fall. Thanks for the input.
Mark
Here's a clue Mark - politicians have axes to grind and agendas to pursue. You and your ticket were elected to look out for the members' interests. You seem to have failed - badly - and you want to blame the membership? Did you even ask the membership if they had any experiences with those seeking the FOP endorsement? We didn't see a list of names in the newsletter or the website.
Once a lawyer dips their beak into defending those who would murder us, there's really no return to our good graces. The same might be said for those who endorse those same lawyers.
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
54 Comments:
The FOP didn't do their homework either on the Behaviorial Program some of the officers were put on for nothing. Those officers were apologized by the department with the department ruining and tainting the lives of the officers. And the FOP didn't do anything to seek any compensation at all for the officers. And yet, all the officers paid the union dues to the FOP. The FOP turned their back on those officers. Thanks a lot for caring FOP. Thanks a lot in case you did'nt hear me loud and clear the first time. The officers that got put into the program are still out here FOP. Not forgetting.
Ok, hold on. I agree it was a mis-step for the FOP to endorse this guy. But in you're thread it sounds as if you're calling their whole term a failure. I do actually believe they have accomplished more during their tenure than any other team. Does anyone disagree?
They made a mistake with this one endorsement and maybe from here on out it will force them to come up with a better way of picking candidates they say we are backing.
They should put the list of possible candidates on the web and let people comment on them and tell their stories of dealings with them. Maybe it would need to be done discretely as the mud would start to fly. But at least it's a start.
The F.O.P. is a waste of our money. These morons are only looking for their next meal ticket. The biggest jagoff is the VP.
WTF!
FOP brass asleep at the switch again
Wow and we trust them to get a raise?
Its never thier fault.hope the run a redlight in front of me.no breaks
DonaHO is a politician himself. Im just getting everything in order to make a push come election time to get him out. Hopefully I get the support
Where is Mike Shields?
RUN
RUN
RUN for FOP president
2:20 AM - All you guys are out the next election. Face it. Nan Na Nan Na - Hey...Hey...Good bye!
The F.O.P. is a waste of our money. These morons are only looking for their next meal ticket. The biggest jagoff is the VP.
2/02/2010 04:22:00 AM
There's three VP's, fuckball. Which one?
FLOP ONLY ENDORSES WHO 42 SHORT TELLS THEM TO. THE WHOLE ENDORSEMENT PROCESS IS A GODDAMN JOKE. THIS FROM THE SAME CREW THAT DOESN'T NEGOTIATE IN THE MEDIA. YEAH OK, ASSWIPES
A little to late don't you think????? ANOTHER IDEA WOULD HAVE A LIST OF CANIDATES NOT TO VOTE FOR AND WHY!!!!!!!!
Mike Shields for the next FOP President. See ya Mark.
We get $600 a year for wellness money. The FOP sponsors the health fair and they charge you the entire $600 to draw your blood and take your blood pressure. They try to get you for more out of pocket on top of that. Walgreens just sent me a coupon to take the same test at half off for $30. That means they usually charge $60 for the same test FOP's Group is charging us $600 for. Where is the rest of that money going? FOP, explain that!
Just voted. Gallagher's name is on the ballot (running unopposed). Underneath his name is a space for a write-in candidate. So I wrote in "Kevin Keefe" (the name of the Officer who was shot) and voted for him. It may not do much, and it may be too late, but if everybody puts Kevin's name in as a write-in, maybe this jagbag will realize who he's screwing with.
Ok, while I'm not an FOP fan, I don't hate them either.
Did they screw up? Yes.
Was it intentional? Don't think so.
My theory is ALL of us are smarter than ONE of us. With that in mind WE should try and come up with a safeguard to prevent this in the future, and then share OUR info with FOP.
Again, not defending the FOP but there were two Gallaghers that were attorneys with the same names.
Unfortunately, the bad guy was the one running for judge.
I'm headed out now to vote and the wife and I will make sure 'we' vote NO on Gallagher and Edelstein, just to mention a few.
Stay safe my brothers...
I was in the Teamsters union before and although it wasn't perfect it was a hell of a lot better than FOP. We need a Teamsters union representing the police. If we had the Teamsters union you wouldn't have had half the shananagins that got pulled. I have noticed a lot of comments on that behaviorial program this month. Guys I know, good guys, got placed in that program. Those guys should have never got placed in that program at all because they did get apology letters. Apology letters. Big deal. The Teamsters would have torn the department a new one and MADE the department give monetary compensation to the victims. And they were victims. Who knows how they really were affected by such a program. Their constitutional rights were violated. That is a fact, So that means a wrong has to be righted. Second City Cop do you have any input on this at all? FOP = Failure of Police.
But in you're thread it sounds as if you're calling their whole term a failure. I do actually believe they have accomplished more during their tenure than any other team. Does anyone disagree?
They have accomplished more than their predecessors, but they still ain't cutting it. Which speaks VOLUMES for how inept the FLOP is.
Quit bitching. FOP is a human entity. Sounds as though it was a mistake and addressed as such. Some times things fall through the cracks.
If you go to the meetings and read the news letter you would see that they do ask for imput. Quit being and arm chair quarterback and get involved
FOP. Please log onto Garrido's website and click onto the Chicago Tribune debate. Garrido states that all new county employees will not get a public pension. Al la 2 tier. We are against that. FOP has also stated they are against that. FOP please do your homework. Many of the endorsed candidates have baggage. Your endorsment is precious, take it seriously.
Anonymous said...
The F.O.P. is a waste of our money. These morons are only looking for their next meal ticket. The biggest jagoff is the VP.
2/02/2010 04:22:00 AM
The one who set up the email program and then none of the idiots ever respond? that guy?
Remember there are SPIES at all open FOP meetings!
There will be Blue Shirts there who work for Gold Stars, they may be sent there by Gold Stars, they will be making reports, formal or informally to Gold Stars.
This may be a First Amendment Rights violation if they report what is said at a Labor Union meeting to Management.
Of course they will put their own spin on anything said there, they may have an axe to grind with someone somewhere.
Be careful of what you say, the walls have ears.
Vote the current FOP board out! 32 months with no NEW CONTRACT. That is to put it simply. RIDICULOUS! We honestly can't do any worse than these idiots!
If one of them made a sandwich that would be accomplishing more than the others.
BOTTOM LINE IS FOP SUX!
I want my money back bastards.
Right on SCC!
Another example of Mark and crew talking in circles - no wonder we don't have a contract.
Those officers were apologized by the department with the department ruining and tainting the lives of the officers.
How dramatic....ruining and tainting.....
How about this....don't endorse anyone. Anyone with half a fucking brain will vote however they want regardless of what the fuck FOP says. This group of FOP leaders is a fucking joke. They endorse wrong candidates, try for 6 and 3 work week even though every fucking copper hates the 6 day week, they are not fighting at all for a lift in the residency requirement and they employ a weasel lawyer, Sneeden, to represent us. Oh by the way, where the fuck is our contract?!
How about the officer coming back from Afghanistan, and when the city found out his FOID card expired while on his "tour of duty" for our country, they were not going to pay him for a few weeks. FOP DID NOTHING. The Commander of the district called an organization that helps officers in their time of need and they stepped up to the plate. The Commander did great job...FOP you are worthless.
It is friggin amazing when people get a spot in FOP and all of a sudden the job is LEGIT..right Rich A...you were bitching for 15 years in 014, and 025..then all of a sudden WHAMO!!! It's legit guys!!
Bullfuckingshit.. OUT WITH THE OLD AND IN WITH THE NEW FOR THE NEXT FOP ELECTIONS.
HEY RICH......."GO CARLOS"
The FOP should start a petition, like the ones to keep cop killers in jail, to Free Bill COZZI. In two weeks before the next hearing we could gather 10 thousand + signatures.
Mark and Greg run that office without allowing any input from anyone else. Those guys are up there for one reason, to win another election. That whole John Burge legal defense left a bad taste in my mouth with those guys. That was a bigger blunder than any endorsement. $700,000 of our money to defend Burge, for what?? Greg Bella to toot his own horn at retirees who liked Burge. Our union dues from our checks went for this????
Are we surprised to find out just now that Mark Donahue is in way over his head in that job?
Rhetorical question here: If Alderman Beal(e) or Ed Smith was running unopposed, would the FOP endorse they because they are going to win anyways? Where is the logic in this one boys? Too much cocktail hour up there in the lodge and not enough think time.
Anonymous said...
Mark and Greg run that office without allowing any input from anyone else. Those guys are up there for one reason, to win another election. That whole John Burge legal defense left a bad taste in my mouth with those guys. That was a bigger blunder than any endorsement. $700,000 of our money to defend Burge, for what?? Greg Bella to toot his own horn at retirees who liked Burge. Our union dues from our checks went for this????
2/02/2010 08:28:00 PM
That is why bella told shields "wait kid I am going to be fop president" and the mighty shields will do as he is told! leader hardly!
2/02/2010 10:50:00 AM:
You want the Teamsters? You want the police to be represented by organized crime?
How many times have I heard Mark & Company say the same thing over and over again for months. Then just when they think we'll forget, they change they're story. They try to take credit for things they did nothing on, and deflect blame to the city for things they screw up. Isn't their time up soon?
Anyone talking about Teamsters, do you not realize that we are police officers that are already in a struggle for credibility?? To advocate for the teamsters is probably the LEAST thought out plan. SCC, I feel like the two posters on this blog that are pro-teamster, need to look at the negative baggage that teamsters bring with them.
Shields is gonna smoke these guys next election.
Mark is through next year and his lapdog Greg Bella is the Todd Stroger of the FOP. Don't even think about running for President Greg. You're toast. Mike Shields for FOP President
WELL GARRIDO LOST NOT EVEN A GOOD SHOWING!
FOP ENDORSED OBRIEN FOR PREZ OF THE COUNTY??? CMON BUT HE WAS ENDORSED BY THE DALEY CONTROLLED BRIDGEPORT CLAN.
THEN I RECIEVED A LETTER FROM THE STATE LODGE ENDORSING EDDIE ACEVEDO!!! YEA THE OFFICER WHO FIGHTS THE POLICE.
ALSO BACKED BY THE BRIDGEPORT CREW!
LADIES IF YOU WANT SOMEONE TO WIN PUT UR CASH WHERE UR MOUTH IS!
ALOT HOOPING AND HOLLERING ABOUT BEING REPUBLICAN BUT NOBODY DONATING CASH.
STICK TO UR FOOTBALL POOLS AND CRYING ABOUT THE FOP.
B-CUZ WHEN IN COMES TO THE MACHINE U THOUGHT OBRIEN HAD A CHANCE... AND MCCAIN COULD HAVE BEEN PRESIDENT.
"Mike Shields for the next FOP President. See ya Mark.
2/02/2010 09:43:00 AM"
Markie's job must be to delay...delay...delay the contract as long as possible. Until election time, then he will have a fat job somewhere from Shorty.
Rich, does Mark know you write these posts?
I was in the Teamsters union before and although it wasn't perfect it was a hell of a lot better than FOP. We need a Teamsters union representing the police. If we had the Teamsters union you wouldn't have had half the shananagins that got pulled. I have noticed a lot of comments on that behaviorial program this month. Guys I know, good guys, got placed in that program. Those guys should have never got placed in that program at all because they did get apology letters. Apology letters. Big deal. The Teamsters would have torn the department a new one and MADE the department give monetary compensation to the victims. And they were victims. Who knows how they really were affected by such a program. Their constitutional rights were violated. That is a fact, So that means a wrong has to be righted. Second City Cop do you have any input on this at all? FOP = Failure of Police.
2/02/2010 10:50:00 AM
Dude, fuck the fuck off. You want Teamster wages? Go work for the sheriff.
Anonymous said...
Mark is through next year and his lapdog Greg Bella is the Todd Stroger of the FOP. Don't even think about running for President Greg. You're toast. Mike Shields for FOP President
2/03/2010 12:18:00 AM
Mike shields a good guy but will not run take it to the bank,bella wants it so bad and mike will step aside,doherty is done,donohue will be a loobyist as he is close to daley,will have a 120K pension from our fund,and another job paying over 100K! the fop top guys are just like the daley crime family!
Mark is in his third term as president, and as per the by-laws, it's his last. We need to start looking now for his successor, Bella and Dougherty aren't the answer!
Vote the current FOP board out! 32 months with no NEW CONTRACT. That is to put it simply. RIDICULOUS! We honestly can't do any worse than these idiots!
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This is such a misinformed statement,that to put it simply it is ridiculous! Do you have the slightest clue what a negotiation is ? A union cannot force management to bargin in good faith.Especially one that has a no strike clause. All a union can do is bring it's issues to the table and what cannot be resolved will be given to an arbitraitor.
What members should be up in arms about is the FLSA ruling. What should have been a great benefit for us has turned in to a loss by going to binding arbitration.Regarding the decision handed down by Benn on 09 Dec 2009,no one can give a straight answer on this ruling.The FOP officers are either unsure of what the ruling means, are embarrassed and want to keep it quiet,or sold their soul's to the devil.The timekeepers do not know what it means. In the FOP newsletter they barley touched on it and did not explain it's impact.It says all FLSA hours worked in excess of 171 hours will be paid in cash. FLSA time is the time you are actually at work.Does it mean that if you work 30 hours of overtime in a period and are compensated at time and one half equalling 45 hours you get paid for the 30 and can put the 15 hours towards comp time? Or does it mean the following? Some periods you work 160 hours. So excluding holidays you could only get 11 hours of comp time in that period. In a period where you work 140 hours for example you could get 31 hours of comp time. Any hours exceeding 171 you will be forced to take money. Either way we have lost a great benefit, this was big concern to the city,paying out huge amounts when officers retire. This will lead to no more retiring with thousands of hours. It will also lead to no more selling back bfd and pdays because you will have to use them. As the department continues to downsize they have eliminated a manpower problem by insuring that you will be at work because you will have no accumalated time left to take off. This could lead to medical abuse which could in turn lead to losing our sick leave benefit.
So the question is did FOP after winning every appeal by the city to the FLSA ruling in the courts make a huge mistake by going to and losing binding arbitration and effectivley giving up our contractual right to choose money or time. Or did they intentionally sell out the membership for personal gain.It is well known that Mark Donahue is lobbying to become a lobbyist.VP Bill Dougherty's name was on the grievance that went to arbitration. You can read the ruling on the FOP web site. I would like to see SCC do a thread on this. Maybe you did and I missed it. Also the duty trade benefit which was supposed to be unlimited like CFD is limited to 1 day per period and the time constraints to get it accomplished are unworkable.
To borncynical at 2/03/2010 01:28:00 PM. Re: FLSA. Having been away for a few years now I don't know just what the arbitration is about, but just to clarify FLSA time, it is time that exceeds 171 hours worked in any 4 week period. Again I don't know about the new 4 on 2 off, and I'm not interested enough to figure it out, but under the old system you normally worked 160 hours in a 4 week period, so any hours ACTUALLY WORKED in excess of 171 is FLSA time. That does not include time for holidays or an time not actually worked. You also have to subtract from the time worked any bonus days that you take off such as: time due, day off holiday, personal day or BF Day. Each of those puts you 8 more hours from the 171 needed to get to FLSA. From what I have read her, I gather that the city can now elect to pay you time and a half for any FLSA time, but that is more or less speculation on my part. The FOP shuld be able to explain. Ask your unit rep, he/she should know. If he/she does not insist that he/she find out.
How about this....don't endorse anyone. Anyone with half a fucking brain will vote however they want regardless of what the fuck FOP says. This group of FOP leaders is a fucking joke. They endorse wrong candidates, try for 6 and 3 work week even though every fucking copper hates the 6 day week, they are not fighting at all for a lift in the residency requirement and they employ a weasel lawyer, Sneeden, to represent us. Oh by the way, where the fuck is our contract?!
2/02/2010 05:01:00 PM
Who is "Sneeden?"
Does it mean that if you work 30 hours of overtime in a period and are compensated at time and one half equalling 45 hours you get paid for the 30 and can put the 15 hours towards comp time? Or does it mean the following? Some periods you work 160 hours. So excluding holidays you could only get 11 hours of comp time in that period.
NO and NO. Also your conclusion that officers cannot retire with thousands of comp time hours is wrong as well. The only thing "lost" is the FLSA comp time bank, which was ALWAYS limited BY LAW to a max of 480 hours. No one ever had more than 480. The other comp time bank, where you CAN accumulate 1000s of hours, remains intact and unlimited. Get it straight. Keep your bullshit off the internet. People might think it's true.
You want the Teamsters? You want the police to be represented by organized crime?
2/02/2010 10:58:00 PM
WE'RE ALREADY UNDER THE THUMB OF ORGANIZED CRIME VIA THE CURRENT MAYORAL REGIME. THE SUBURBAN DEPTS THAT HAVE THEM AREN'T COMPLAINING MAYBE THEY COULD SHED SOME LIGHT?
BTW FOP has had a judicial poll on their website for over three years now. I'm betting the vast majority of you never bother to leave comments on any of the judges, good or bad. Just like I'm betting none of you showed up at the board meeting.
Want the truth about the Teamsters Union? Ask Northens friend Cooley. Ask him if big fat envelopes (is it still 30%) of the Teamsters Dues are brought to the BIG GUY by 10 or 15 different guys who bow and scrape and kiss his ring, literally. FUCK the teamsters stupid. They are the Mob. I can always tell you suburbanites.
If you want to be a teamster again, go back to your old job. No one here likes you anyway because you're a rube.
Cheaster Hornowski is the man!!! Keep speaking up Chet. You have helped the membership greatly. See you election time Chet!
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