Sunday, February 21, 2010

TASER Training Restarted

Evidently, last week the Department began re-training, new training and qualifications for Officers to carry TASERs once again. We assume that means the equipment is on the way and will be available for deployment in the near future.

A word of caution - we've been on the scene of TASER deployments. They fail on occasion. It is not a substitute for Lethal Force and if it fails, you should be prepared for a fight. Be aware of where your backup is and how far they have to come to assist you.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Now that Ike is in the Pokey, The Taser kickbacks got to the right people. Yawn...

2/21/2010 12:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A word of caution - we've been on the scene of TASER deployments. They fail on occasion. It is not a substitute for Lethal Force and if it fails, you should be prepared for a fight. Be aware of where your backup is and how far they have to come to assist you.

To add to that... be especially careful if you are one of those school officers in a zoo like Marshall, Manley, Crane, etc. The herd may jump on you if you use it without adequate back-up.

2/21/2010 12:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anyone here the rumor about allowing us to carry the .380's like all of the clout boys in narcotics?

Or do I have to pay Ginger some money to be one of Leo's workers to get a good, approved, off duty weapon?

2/21/2010 12:55:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

.....more lawsuits. Just use your gun.

2/21/2010 01:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

O.T. - I hear Mike Sheilds is running for Alderman on the northwest side. Mike would be a great Alderman, He is smart, understands pension funds and city finances. Good luck Mike.

2/21/2010 02:38:00 AM  
Blogger Ultimate Exempt Warrior said...

If you electrocute somebody before shift change, don't expect me to sign your slip. After all, that money comes out of my pocket!

2/21/2010 03:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

O.T. - I hear Mike Sheilds is running for Alderman on the northwest side. Mike would be a great Alderman, He is smart, understands pension funds and city finances. Good luck Mike.

Maybe you don't know Mike on a personal level. He's very different from how he's viewed in the FOP light. He's acted out in the past, as a spoiled brat and extremely spiteful. He burned people very close to him in the past. Tread lightly with Mike.

2/21/2010 06:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Anyone here the rumor about allowing us to carry the .380's like all of the clout boys in narcotics?

Or do I have to pay Ginger some money to be one of Leo's workers to get a good, approved, off duty weapon?

2/21/2010 12:55:00 AM


The .380 is not a good weapon. The bullet weighs around 90 grains. In my opinion a 9mm is also no damn good. You can carry a Glock .45 on or off duty, why settle for a little .380 pimp gun? That gun will get you killed if you need to pull it some day.

It is only a weapon of last resort for concealment purposes for those working undercover.

To use it effectively one must train constantly and be damn sure of where those teensy tiny bullets are placed. Most CPD do not train anywhere near enough to be effective with a .380

2/21/2010 06:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Public Transportation has had them since last year. How come we are just getting them now?

2/21/2010 08:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wont carry a taser. The department wont back us as it is.

2/21/2010 08:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Taser kills.

2/21/2010 08:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OT: Can anyone tell me where POs park @ domestic court, 555 w Harrison? Haven't been down there in a long time and have to go tomorrow. Thanks.

2/21/2010 08:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

they can't even keep fresh batteries around for radios and now we will get tasers--- hahaha, another idea that will be pushed on the troops without being adequately studied.......

2/21/2010 09:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ultimate Exempt Warrior said...
If you electrocute somebody before shift change, don't expect me to sign your slip. After all, that money comes out of my pocket!

2/21/2010 03:22:00 AM



More like:

"After all, since I have to give up 24 unpaid furlough days, that OT money that you blue shirts will be making, means your annual income will be more than mine ! ! !"

2/21/2010 09:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Another gang related shooting in CCG I'm sure the Taser will be in use on a more frequent basis with all the bangers frequenting down there.

2/21/2010 09:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anyone here the rumor about allowing us to carry the .380's like all of the clout boys in narcotics?

Hey Asshole, all the "cloutboys" in narcotics dont carry them, "buy officers" can. Have you ever gone and bought dope on the street? I didn't think so. STFU
Signed a "Clout Supervisor"

2/21/2010 09:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good approved off duty weapon?
We are allowed to carry very light hammerless .38's. Oh I forgot, it's not a semi auto, it wont kill, my bad.
Since every one else is off topic, why not me too

2/21/2010 10:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Now that Ike is in the Pokey, The Taser kickbacks got to the right people. Yawn...

2/21/2010 12:41:00 AM

That would be terry hillard the taser lobbyist "he will make millions" how much does the former supt.have to give the back pockets?

2/21/2010 11:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

At least it's another option.

2/21/2010 11:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

O.T. - I hear Mike Sheilds is running for Alderman on the northwest side. Mike would be a great Alderman, He is smart, understands pension funds and city finances. Good luck Mike.

2/21/2010 02:38:00 AM
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Yeah, good luck. I'm sure he'll devote all his spare time to the pension board. NOT.

2/21/2010 11:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OT there is an order already written to allow ALL P.O.s to carry .380s icluding Ruger, Walther, and Kel-Tec. Order is supposed to be out within a month or two. These are compact dependable backup guns. Consider getting one for duty use. Stay safe.

2/21/2010 12:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Off Topic:

Anybody go to last night's Oathkeeper's meeting? Does it look like they'll be able to have different north and southside meetings?

2/21/2010 12:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i took the training. its a good course. from what the instructors said the tasers have already been ordered and will be in the districts soon. there will be one taser per beat car citywide. there wont be two tasers per beat car because if both shoot their tasers at the same person wires will get crossed and it cancels out the charge. the only problem is where to put it on your belt. there is already enough crap on it

2/21/2010 12:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hear cooter is also running for Alderman.or maybe FOP.go cooter

2/21/2010 01:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anyone here the rumor about allowing us to carry the .380's like all of the clout boys in narcotics?
2/21/2010 12:55:00 AM

I don't work in narcotics and don't even know anyone in narcotics but let's remember some things before you start bashing "buy officers." These guys, clout or not, are out there with no vest, no radio, no duty gun, and back up that is blocks away doing business with the savages that kill people because it's "just business." And if they do have a gun, it's a tiny .380 shoved in the pocket of their baggy sagging jeans. Are you willing to do that kind of work? And they can only carry them when they're doing buys, not while off duty. Read the order.

2/21/2010 01:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anyone here the rumor about allowing us to carry the .380's like all of the clout boys in narcotics?

Or do I have to pay Ginger some money to be one of Leo's workers to get a good, approved, off duty weapon?

2/21/2010 12:55:00 AM

Who cares about .380s ? A .38 snub throws more energy due to the heavier bullet weight. With the heavy firepower carried by todays jagoffs, why go with a minimal round like the .380 ? You would be much better off with a cut down version of your service weapon.

2/21/2010 02:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Remember this story on FOX a couple of months ago?

Weis Worried About Police Retirement Shortage

Chicago Police Superintendent Jody Weis says the city needs to be prepared for the potential retirements of up to 1,000 officers next year.


Weis says he's "extremely nervous" about the number of officers who may leave the department once a new contract is signed in 2010.


About 1,000 officers are eligible to retire next year, and police officials say it's impossible to predict how many will step down.


The police department has 600 vacancies and is 2,000 officers short of its authorized strength.


Still, Weis says he's confident the city would be protected. He says there are hundreds of people in the pipeline to replace retiring officers.


It takes about six months for new hires to graduate from the police academy and start street patrol.

WEIS as well as the rest of us should really be worried if what I heard from someone down in personnel is really true. That the number of retirees for this year will be a lot closer to 1200 once the Sgt's contract is ratified (because of the new 55 and out deal with the health insurance).

So let's do an approximation of #'s
This is only what we know about and not including secret squirrel units.

9,450 P.O.'s(9161 code only)
-1,200 Anticipating leaving
-2,000 Short of authrz'd strength
- 600 Vacancies already
- 600 OCD Division
- 600 House Mouses at HQ
- 400 Gang Enforcement Section
- 300 MSF/TRU (approximate)
- 200 Commnty. Policing (citywide)
- 100 Area SAT teams (days/nites)
- 160 Mass Transit
- 150 Avg 2 PO's per watch X 25
- 50 Area Gun Teams
- 20 PSN Gun Teams (fed funded)
- 50 Time Keepers (dist/units)
+ 50 Recruits in academy now
_______
2,970 Patrol Officers left

2970/25 Districts
=118 P.O.'s per District

118/3 Watches
= 39.6 P.O.'s per watch

39.6/3 Sectors (average)
=13.2 P.O.'s per sector

13.2/9 Average of 3 beats per sector
=1.4 P.O. per watch car


That's right boys and girls, that's approximately every beat car in the city to be a 1 man car in the very near future unless something is done. I know many of us are working 1 man cars everyday as it is but it will become much worse unless they hire people very very soon.

For those of you that will be bitching about the numbers they are only APPROXIMATE figures for beat cars only. Does not include manning rapid response, traffic, foot, hospital, park, school or whatever else districts have.

2/21/2010 02:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anyone here the rumor about allowing us to carry the .380's like all of the clout boys in narcotics?

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They can ONLY carry them on duty and while working undercover .. NOT off duty. Their is a directive on it.

.380's are shit ammo anyway.. carry at least a 9mm or .38.

2/21/2010 03:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

9,450 P.O.'s(9161 code only)
-1,200 Anticipating leaving
-2,000 Short of authrz'd strength
- 600 Vacancies already
- 600 OCD Division
- 600 House Mouses at HQ
- 400 Gang Enforcement Section
- 300 MSF/TRU (approximate)
- 200 Commnty. Policing (citywide)
- 100 Area SAT teams (days/nites)
- 160 Mass Transit
- 150 Avg 2 PO's per watch X 25
- 50 Area Gun Teams
- 20 PSN Gun Teams (fed funded)
- 50 Time Keepers (dist/units)
+ 50 Recruits in academy now
_______
2,970 Patrol Officers left

2970/25 Districts
=118 P.O.'s per District

118/3 Watches
= 39.6 P.O.'s per watch

39.6/3 Sectors (average)
=13.2 P.O.'s per sector

13.2/9 Average of 3 beats per sector
=1.4 P.O. per watch car


That's right boys and girls, that's approximately every beat car in the city to be a 1 man car in the very near future unless something is done. I know many of us are working 1 man cars everyday as it is but it will become much worse unless they hire people very very soon.

For those of you that will be bitching about the numbers they are only APPROXIMATE figures for beat cars only. Does not include manning rapid response, traffic, foot, hospital, park, school or whatever else districts have.

2/21/2010 02:46:00 PM
WOW!!!!!
This needs to have it's own thread
SCC. Where's the media on this?

2/21/2010 03:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

J-Fed will be in 017 district on 24th of Feb...On 3rd watch...please come out...

2/21/2010 03:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To: OT: Can anyone tell me where POs park @ domestic court, 555 w Harrison? Haven't been down there in a long time and have to go tomorrow. Thanks.

There's some designated police parking south of the court building, get there early. If you decide to park in a tow zone, police stickers or not, don't expect your car to be there when you come out.

2/21/2010 03:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

the courage of the "buy officers" is nothing short of amazing, but....is "America's war on drugs" doing anything?.....just asking

2/21/2010 04:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

train us we'll buy our own tasers

might save our life , can't wait for a sgt to show up

2/21/2010 04:52:00 PM  
Anonymous The Box Chevy Phantom said...

Hmmm...

Don't be so quick to depend on the TASER...

Your best bet is your baton... Get a lanyard for it so you can retain it during vigorous application.

We should be allowed to carry the old formula of OC spray but since there were complaints that it was "too hot" now we're only allowed to carry glorified hot-sauce.

Hmmmm? Perhaps we should make the right friends and invent Box Chevy Phantom Urban Combat Spray? A concentrate of an agent that causes cramping & involuntary bowel movement, wasabi, hot mustard, OC, indelible pink & yellow dye and the stench of that dead body plant that will last for 72 hours!

Perfect for school dismissals & breaking up parties!

Enjoy the sight of 'em turned different colors, burnin' hot & stinking with stomach cramps while trying to run away with shit in their drawers!

2/21/2010 05:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe you don't know Mike on a personal level. He's very different from how he's viewed in the FOP light. He's acted out in the past, as a spoiled brat and extremely spiteful. He burned people very close to him in the past. Tread lightly with Mike.

2/21/2010 06:13:00 AM

Ok anonymous FOP guy that is worried about losing his FOP job. Blog all you want about Shields behind his back, but you don't have the balls that he does to say things in public.
You guys should run the FOP not sit there and blog about how Shields is gonna whoop you if he runs.! Grow a pair boys.

2/21/2010 05:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So let's do an approximation of #'s
This is only what we know about and not including secret squirrel units.

9,450 P.O.'s(9161 code only)
-1,200 Anticipating leaving
-2,000 Short of authrz'd strength
- 600 Vacancies already
- 600 OCD Division
- 600 House Mouses at HQ
- 400 Gang Enforcement Section
- 300 MSF/TRU (approximate)
- 200 Commnty. Policing (citywide)
- 100 Area SAT teams (days/nites)
- 160 Mass Transit
- 150 Avg 2 PO's per watch X 25
- 50 Area Gun Teams
- 20 PSN Gun Teams (fed funded)
- 50 Time Keepers (dist/units)
+ 50 Recruits in academy now
_______
2,970 Patrol Officers left

2970/25 Districts
=118 P.O.'s per District

118/3 Watches
= 39.6 P.O.'s per watch

39.6/3 Sectors (average)
=13.2 P.O.'s per sector

13.2/9 Average of 3 beats per sector
=1.4 P.O. per watch car

The 150 are desk personnel.

2/21/2010 06:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That's right boys and girls, that's approximately every beat car in the city to be a 1 man car in the very near future unless something is done. I know many of us are working 1 man cars everyday as it is but it will become much worse unless they hire people very very soon.

For those of you that will be bitching about the numbers they are only APPROXIMATE figures for beat cars only. Does not include manning rapid response, traffic, foot, hospital, park, school or whatever else districts have.

2/21/2010 02:46:00 PM
WOW!!!!!
This needs to have it's own thread
SCC. Where's the media on this?


Don't forget --- Rdo's Time due, Medical, IOD, Furlos' P- days and BFD days.

2/21/2010 06:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tasers don't kill people, electricity kills people

2/21/2010 07:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

heard you will required to take taser out once you are trained

2/21/2010 07:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hear Mike Sheilds is running for Alderman on the northwest side.

I think he needs to concentrate on our pension. Again a me me me guy like FOP.

2/21/2010 07:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i took the training. its a good course. from what the instructors said the tasers have already been ordered and will be in the districts soon. there will be one taser per beat car citywide. there wont be two tasers per beat car because if both shoot their tasers at the same person wires will get crossed and it cancels out the charge. the only problem is where to put it on your belt. there is already enough crap on it

2/21/2010 12:36:00 PM



Whatever you do, DON"T CROSS THE STREAMS!!!!

2/21/2010 07:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Off topic:
Is Hamilton still the C.O of the Policy Group, or not?
I've seen him in his black BDUs apparently in "SWAT School,' but is he double dipping? Also, is he still drawing Lts. pay as a "legal officer?' Hopefully, someone in the know down there at 3510 will be able to put the 411 down here, but I doubt it. No one from Headquarters can or will even say if MM is a newly SWORN officer or still a civilian with a gun. Can't seem to get the truth about anything from headquarters these days.

2/21/2010 08:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

REGARDING: Anyone here the rumor about allowing us to carry the .380's like all of the clout boys in narcotics?

jody weis was in 011 1st watch rollcall a few days ago. jody said they are still choosing models but when all is said and done we will have 4 to choose from in the .380 caliber to carry OFF DUTY.

2/21/2010 08:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Asshole, all the "cloutboys" in narcotics dont carry them, "buy officers" can. Have you ever gone and bought dope on the street? I didn't think so. STFUSigned a "Clout Supervisor"2/21/2010 09:58:00 AM

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Why would anyone want to do something that stupid? This aint a TV show! Risk your life because you are the police, but risk it for an important reason! The war on drugs is not worth my life. You are NOT making a difference out there!

2/21/2010 08:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

and heres a tip from the master of OC......


MAKE SURE you have the LIGHT BLUE LABEL OC that will NOT burst into flames if sprayed on an offender that may need to be tased elst you will have Michael Jackson in Handcuffs.

LIGHT BLUE LABEL
NOT black label.

Unless you are in the cold and need to warm up..hahahahahah

Good luck with the Tasers.
About time.

2/21/2010 09:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why would anyone want to carry a taser? It's another step that you must use (if you carry one) before using your firearm,even un-holstering your firearm. If you carry a taser and don't use it before your firearm you will be sued for not using it first. You as a law enforcement officer are allowed one upsmanship. that means that if offender has his hands as a weapon you are allowed the use your nightstick / asp , if he has a weapon you can can use your gun. not your F*&%ing taser, that thing would only piss him off, and if you don't use it first YOU WILL BE SUED!

Florida has non compliant Taser use policy.. (Thank God for Florida!)..........
Example: You have a non-armed offender, You say STOP POLICE! he doesn't---you Tase him......... this is what the taser was designed for not replacement of nightstick/asp or firearm...
Battery to P.O....... DOWN
Officers injured......DOWN
Municipalities sued...DOWN
Officers sued.........DOWN
Officers taken to Hospital..DOWN
Their tasers saved injury and dollars...because they have the non compliant policy.

Please people get smarter and don't get hurt, loose your savings, house, deferred comp ect..
Hey Jody, do you like these apples!

2/21/2010 09:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

do you have to pass the POWER test to carry one.

Ric FLAIR said Whoooooooooooooooo yes u do. Whoooooooooooooooooooo

2/21/2010 09:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Ironcrossed said...

Since we are going off-topic and talking .380s.... I do like my .38 snub nose, its a six shot and very dependable. However, while my .380 doesn't have quite the same stopping power, it is much lighter and more concealable, and also has six shots.

2/21/2010 09:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Took the training, heard from the instructors that 380 tasers are sitting in the armory waiting to be issued. The order is currently being re written and states once you are trained and a taser is available, YOU MUST CARRY IT. Two man cars will have one per car. Taser.... the gift that keeps on giving. LOL

2/21/2010 09:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To: OT: Can anyone tell me where POs park @ domestic court, 555 w Harrison? Haven't been down there in a long time and have to go tomorrow. Thanks.

Take blue line and get off on clinton

2/21/2010 10:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

good point!we better have to pass the power test to carry a taser!we may havt to run with it boss ,and if we r breathin hard we may hit gma withe the probes!po has to b in pretty good shape to carry a taser or many ,many lawsuits comin on top of just the taser caused my baby to die!power test it up!

2/21/2010 10:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

O.T. - I hear Mike Sheilds is running for Alderman on the northwest side. Mike would be a great Alderman, He is smart, understands pension funds and city finances. Good luck Mike.

Maybe you don't know Mike on a personal level. He's very different from how he's viewed in the FOP light. He's acted out in the past, as a spoiled brat and extremely spiteful. He burned people very close to him in the past. Tread lightly with Mike.

2/21/2010 06:13:00 AM


I dont have to know him. He has a bigger heart and balls then most of the coppers I know.

2/21/2010 10:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Whatever you do, DON"T CROSS THE STREAMS!!!!

2/21/2010 07:47:00 PM"

Thank you Ghostbuster...

2/21/2010 10:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I know an Oak Park officer that carried a .380 years ago. He only chambered 38s in it. However, he was big enough to scare the living hell out of anyone but the biggest NFL player, and he had the bad attitude to match. He got in trouble for shooting a raccoon that had invaded a trash can; his watch commander came and offered him leave for killing someone before he found out that the scuttlebutt about an "officer-involved" shooting was a joke.

I'd rather use an 870 if I was acting as a police officer; I doubt that there would be many survivors. I also happen to be a very good shot with an 870.

2/21/2010 10:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
I hear Mike Sheilds is running for Alderman on the northwest side.

I think he needs to concentrate on our pension. Again a me me me guy like FOP.

2/21/2010 07:39:00 PM

The kid is not going to run for FLOP president bella told mikey to step down a notch! shields another hack!

2/21/2010 11:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Buddy, if you can get 38's into a 380, you let me know, I want to watch.

From a safe distance away.

2/22/2010 12:08:00 AM  
Anonymous The Box Chevy Phantom said...

Re: .380 Pistols

As we recall there was a quote attributed to an old school Texas Ranger... "It's your hide, how much do you value it?"

We value our hide enough to carry at a minimum our five shot hammer less .38 snub with very HEAVY LOADED (1000+ fps) 158gr. gas checked soft lead hollow points.

Other than that we are firm believers in the .357 Magnum (loaded to 1935 FBI spec.) and .45 auto +p fired right through an offender's front teeth (either from the front or rear) to get his/her/it's attention.

Of course it's the offender's choice that it turns out that way or not.

2/22/2010 12:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
I know an Oak Park officer that carried a .380 years ago. He only chambered 38s in it. However, he was big enough to scare the living hell out of anyone but the biggest NFL player, and he had the bad attitude to match. He got in trouble for shooting a raccoon that had invaded a trash can; his watch commander came and offered him leave for killing someone before he found out that the scuttlebutt about an "officer-involved" shooting was a joke.

I'd rather use an 870 if I was acting as a police officer; I doubt that there would be many survivors. I also happen to be a very good shot with an 870.

2/21/2010 10:58:00 PM


A .380 auto pistol will NOT chamber a .38 special round, the .38 cartridge is too large.

The diameter of the bore is .380 as the name implies. A .38 is .357 in diameter, the cartridge is different and the chamber is different. Will not fit.

Besides, the .380 is a shit cartridge, too small and underpowered.

Get a .45.

2/22/2010 12:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
good point!we better have to pass the power test to carry a taser!we may havt to run with it boss ,and if we r breathin hard we may hit gma withe the probes!po has to b in pretty good shape to carry a taser or many ,many lawsuits comin on top of just the taser caused my baby to die!power test it up!

2/21/2010 10:11:00 PM


They can keep the TASER's, I don't want one.

2/22/2010 12:55:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wanna know what all you jagoffs shittalking Shields are doing to improve anything about the world of a CPD cop right now, besides anonymously lambasting on a website. Like Mike or not, he is fighting a fight for things which directly affect our lives, which if not fought for, will go down the toilet.

2/22/2010 12:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Off topic:
Is Hamilton still the C.O of the Policy Group, or not?
I've seen him in his black BDUs apparently in "SWAT School,' but is he double dipping? Also, is he still drawing Lts. pay as a "legal officer?' Hopefully, someone in the know down there at 3510 will be able to put the 411 down here, but I doubt it. No one from Headquarters can or will even say if MM is a newly SWORN officer or still a civilian with a gun. Can't seem to get the truth about anything from headquarters these days.

2/21/2010 08:06:00 PM

he is sworn!!!

2/22/2010 01:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Box Chevy Phantom said...
Re: .380 Pistols

As we recall there was a quote attributed to an old school Texas Ranger... "It's your hide, how much do you value it?"

We value our hide enough to carry at a minimum our five shot hammer less .38 snub with very HEAVY LOADED (1000+ fps) 158gr. gas checked soft lead hollow points.

Other than that we are firm believers in the .357 Magnum (loaded to 1935 FBI spec.) and .45 auto +p fired right through an offender's front teeth (either from the front or rear) to get his/her/it's attention.

Of course it's the offender's choice that it turns out that way or not.

2/22/2010 12:20:00 AM


Amen to that brother. I have seen the .45 cal demonstrate it's worth through the offender's teeth exactly as described and it cures recidivism 100%.

2/22/2010 06:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The diameter of the bore is .380 as the name implies. A .38 is .357 in diameter, the cartridge is different and the chamber is different. Will not fit.

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.380/9mm = .355 slug
.38/.357 = .357 slug

Bore diameter differs by manufacturer .001-.002 larger than the slug.

2/22/2010 07:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'd rather use an 870 if I was acting as a police officer; I doubt that there would be many survivors. I also happen to be a very good shot with an 870.

2/21/2010 10:58:00 PM


LMFAO Ray Charles was a good shot with an 870....What the FUCK is that?
No really.
Class time kiddies:

the .40 cal s&w round in EITHER 165 or 185 grain is the middle ground for LE and private use. Lets put it this way, it has the ability to pass thru one nylon coat and three CPD leather Jackets at a distance of 20 feet AND EXIT the backside. There are several dash cam videos of the hallowed .45 ACP striking an offender in the abdomen and the offender STILL STANDING. Remember, grain and velocity.9mm is too small and too fast,45 is too fat and too slow,(image of old wagon guy running JOKING)40 may just be the right round and SEVERAL manufacturers offer HI CAPACITY handguns in this caliber. The recoil is nominal so even the feeble desk ladies can fire it without too much ado. AND a 40 cal WILL penetrate a floor safe at a distance of 15 feet. (field tested in the basement of soldier field in 1994) a 45 however will flatten out and NOT penetrate. Just saying.

2/22/2010 08:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

All you tackleberrys out there talking about the .380 need to chill. These type of handguns are suppose to be oh shit guns. Did everyone forget about the new weapon order that came out this year you can't buy a .38 anymore unless it's a replacement for the one you have. So these .380's are ideal for a backup gun, sure the round is small but quess what I bet they hurt like a son of a bitch if you get shot by it. I don't own a .38 but if they approve these .380's i'll be sure to get one.

2/22/2010 08:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bottom line, Shields is doing a great job. Period. Let's support him and try to get a few more like him on that pension board. We need it.

2/22/2010 09:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The diameter of the bore is .380 as the name implies. A .38 is .357 in diameter, the cartridge is different and the chamber is different. Will not fit.

2/22/2010 12:54:00 AM

A .380 is not .380".it is .355/356 just like a 9mm.

Source Lyman #49 reloading manual and my Brown&Sharp dial calipers.

2/22/2010 10:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Excited Delerium is junk science.Taser kills.

2/22/2010 10:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey, 2:46p.m., I think your comm. policing # is way to low. My district has at least 8 in their office, plus 2 sgts.

2/22/2010 11:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Swine Flew (Get it?) said...

A tip of the ole chapeau to the poster (2/21/2010 06:31:00 PM)who did the math regarding manpower in the districts. (I can't believe there is someone on the job geekier than me, but I digress).

To take his/her analysis further, imagine a shooting. Paper car, scene car, a car to go to the hospital, and various and sundry cars to handle the mass of people wailing about their injured offspring. Maybe 3-6 cars down for a good amount of time. In a district with 15 beat cars, that's almost half the district tied up with one event.

I haven't been on for an eternity, but in the 90's a certain west side district had nearly all the rapids manned, and all "specialty cars" manned. In fact, there were two cars handling Madison. Now there are none. Why? There aren't any bodies. No rapids available at all, and certainly no specialty cars.

But not to worry. I heard that reverse pod missions, reverse TRP missions, and other secret systems and techniques (sp) devised by the newer DC, will bring order out of the chaos.

Wow, I really rambled on that one.

Be careful, and safe out there boys and girls, and as my old partner used to say, "we handle all business from the car".

2/22/2010 11:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Know this guy Mike Shields? Do you have to? What I do know is that he has blocked money sucking blood leaches who tried to steel our pension monies. How many pensions does Ron need? J Fed gets a Fed pension, a current six figure salary and needs MORE? Someone has finally addressed the pension problems and for that I say Thank You Mike Shields. Pension Board, Alderman, of FOP you will have my vote!

2/22/2010 11:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the officer asking about parking at 555 West Harrison, you would be better off taking the blue line and just walking one block to the court. If you really need to park, then park behind the academy and then walk a good 15 to 20 minutes to 555 West Harrison.

2/22/2010 11:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To those worrying about tasers, don't, if deadly force is warranted, ie. the offender is brandishing any kind of weapon, do not reach for the taser, taser isn't a tool in lieu of deadly force, taser is for resisters, unarmed offenders etc. you will be sued for deadly force encounters rest assured, not using the taser first won't be the reason, the allegation of unlawful death will be..

2/22/2010 02:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"he is sworn!!!

2/22/2010 01:44:00 AM"


(...at)

2/22/2010 04:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Box Chevy Phantom, you bring a whole new meaning to the term "flamin hot"...just need to add some grape pop aroma to your special recipe.

2/22/2010 05:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

>>>Anonymous said...
Anyone here the rumor about allowing us to carry the .380's like all of the clout boys in narcotics?

Or do I have to pay Ginger some money to be one of Leo's workers to get a good, approved, off duty weapon?

2/21/2010 12:55:00 AM<<<

A .380, no matter how small, how light is still a .380. It a low powered noise maker that's better than nothing, better than a .25 Auto. If you are going to carry something like that get a sub-compact Glock or other semi-auto in 9mm or even .40cal. It's sllighly larger and now you have some real knock down power.

Or, get an airweight .38 snub, more reliable than any semi-auto.

Stay safe, what ever you carry, practice, practice, practice.

2/22/2010 07:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OT there is an order already written to allow ALL P.O.s to carry .380s icluding Ruger, Walther, and Kel-Tec. Order is supposed to be out within a month or two. These are compact dependable backup guns. Consider getting one for duty use. Stay safe.

Fuck THAT! Off duty, I still want a gun that will provide me with REAL STOPPING POWER! I'd rather have my .38 snub than a .380.
No thanks. But I could see how an U/C buy officer would want that in a hideout weapon. Much better choices are available in concealed carry off-duty.

2/22/2010 09:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

With all the retirements expected among the whiteshirt ranks, combined with the fact that many Sgts. simply refuse to carry them, I can see why the city is gearing up to allow the POs to carry them.
We'll face a severe shortage of supervisors on the street very soon at the rate the retirements are coming in.

2/22/2010 09:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

An Iowa cop did a bunch of computer models and actual ammo tests and concluded that the .41 magnum load had the greatest stopping power short of a civil war musket.

2/23/2010 02:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What happened to all of the TASER-CAMS? I heard that the city did not pay the bill for them and they were re-poed.

With Taser, the condition of the battery is all important. The city never maintains anything they give us. Shorty will plant more flowers and buy more Bean polish rather than maintain something that will save us injury.

How low will the battery have to get before we can refuse to carry one.

2/23/2010 04:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Or, get an airweight .38 snub, more reliable than any semi-auto.

2/22/2010 07:40:00 PM


Why is that??

2/23/2010 09:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.brassfetcher.com/index_files/Page638.htm

2/23/2010 09:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't TAZE me bro!

2/23/2010 05:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Why is that??

2/23/2010 09:18:00 AM"


yep, there's always one smartass in the crowd.

2/23/2010 09:33:00 PM  
Blogger LATHROP ONE said...

Perhaps we should make the right friends and invent Box Chevy Phantom Urban Combat Spray? A concentrate of an agent that causes cramping & involuntary bowel movement, wasabi, hot mustard, OC, indelible pink & yellow dye and the stench of that dead body plant that will last for 72 hours!.......

Id be happy to field test that for you.

2/23/2010 10:30:00 PM  
Anonymous The Box Chevy Phantom said...

2/23/2010 10:30:00 PM

Rest assured Lathrop One, you would most definitely be one of the chosen few on the "Field Testing and Development Advisory Committee." The next trick would probably involve developing a 20 ton MOAB for those deeply dug in knuckle-heads who just don't want to give it up.

An easy sippin' small batch bourbon & a good heavy bodied cigar (Camacho is the current fancy) is the stuff inspiration runs on!

Two taps on the westcide door-bell while doin' da slow roll...

2/24/2010 01:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Im gonna say 2 things about secondaries:


a. .44 bulldog
b. Subcompact Glock (.40 OR .45)

Concealed in the place where you rest your hands inside your vest when talking to someone,secured with a double velcro strap.WILL NOT come loose when running.WILL deploy rapidly when needed.

TESTED SUCCESSFULLY NUMEROUS TIMES IN THE FOLLOWING AREAS:

1. Lathrop Homes
2. Ida B Wells
3. Robert Taylor Homes
4. Cabrini O Green(hi rises AND
Row houses)
5. Ikes
6. Stateway
7. Altgeld
8. The Commons
9 39th and Lake park
10.Odgen Courts(demolished)
11.Abla Homes.

works/worked for me.


Not of course that i would have a clue about combat in housing projects or anything..:)
Remember: SMALL and POWERFUL and CONCEALABLE.

This concludes the debate over back up arms now get out there and get me those Felony ANOVS hahahah

2/24/2010 01:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mike Shields is not running for Alderman. He is running for FOP President and is assembling his ticket. Just look at all the new faces attending the monthly FOP meetings. Doughtery and Bella better watch out...the writing is on the wall.

2/24/2010 02:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

...Anonymous said...
An Iowa cop did a bunch of computer models and actual ammo tests and concluded that the .41 magnum load had the greatest stopping power short of a civil war musket.

2/23/2010 02:45:00 AM.

..Did he try the .50 Cal Guncrafter conversion of the Glock Model 21? ....that is about the AWESOME knockdown power of a Civil War Rifled Musket Minie Ball

P.S. Good Luck from Most of the Officers in the CPD to Mr. McDonald as he takes his Anti-Daley Gun Ban Case to the Supreme Court Very Soon.

If the Second Amendment wins, watch out for a United Nation Treaty that might circumvent our Constitution. Obama and Hilary are working toward it.

2/27/2010 12:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As long as we are discussing Guns.

One of the guys I work with just got one of these expensive tactical lights to mount on his Glock. The first time he went and fired it there was a considerable amount of pitting on the Lexan lens and on the front of the barrel of the flashlight.

To prevent this, first mount the light as far behind the muzzle of the weapon as possible.

Another suggestion, especially when you go to qualify or practice. Take some clear packing tape and carefully cut a disk to fit over the lens. Then you can take almost any other king of tape, hunters camo tape or even duct tape and cover the end of the flashlight. They will absorb the sparkbites and keep you light from pitting then you can remove them later.

2/27/2010 12:49:00 PM  

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