Wednesday, March 10, 2010

Rumors Again

Our readers were busy at the rumor mill today.
  • Just got out of meeting, the city is looking to privatize forensic services, because we are not being utilized enough! That being said please call us for prints,or whatever you need so we can keep our positions. We are only to happy to respond thanks to CPD officers!
This would seem to being up a whole bunch of chain of custody issues. And who else are they going to subcontract it to? Are there actually private forensics companies? Or is this something they'll try to farm out to the State Police Crime Lab?

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Then don’t bitch every time I switch over to position 11 and request you to show up. Every time its “we don’t do that.” “Do you have an offender in custody?”

3/10/2010 12:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm sure Bob Vanecko is an expert in providing just such service.

3/10/2010 12:18:00 AM  
Anonymous West Side, Inside Do-Nothing said...

Sounds like a venture that should be undertaken and handed out by any given Aldercreature.

Maybe the same bunch of bustout, convicted felons associated with the body removal service could get the hook-up with this, too.

3/10/2010 12:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I Begged for Forensics to come out last spring. I 16 yr victims, lay on 59th st with blood pumping out DOA. Crime scene all the way to 60th st. Wind picking-up rain began. Forensics came after several calls, "eta?" After 1hr forensics on scene most evidence "gone with the wind/rain".

3/10/2010 01:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Funny you should ask! The Vanecko and Daley Lab. Co. has recently been established. As soon as young Mr. Daley returns from his secret assignment with the Army he and his cousin will be available to handle all the CPD's lab work. And for $1 exrea, they will clean your sewer!

3/10/2010 01:03:00 AM  
Anonymous The Box Chevy Phantom said...

We can see it on the horizon...

CPD at about 5k to 6k...

Response only to in progress/just occurred calls?

Will essentially be a city wide rapid response team?

j-fart is shorty's heat-shield for redrawn District boundaries or the complete doing away with District law enforcement as we know it.

No rights for bidding, no seniority rights.

The concept of District based policing will soon come to an end.

No entrance examination?

No state exam for CPD in the future?? A possible end-around of state law because Chicago is "home rule?" Shorty feels there is no need for CPD to be "state certified" Law Enforcement officers
thus setting the stage to do what the hell he wants free of even the appearance of being bound/constrained by state law?

Weapons issued with radios and turned in at check off?

Off duty carry to be eventually considered a "thou shalt not" if shorty has his way? (see above regarding circumventing state law)

Civilian contractors to handle routine paper, fender benders?

(Watch some of those alderfools and certain retired exempts get their cocks wet in these sweet-ass soon coming contracts)

Are they setting the table for CPD to become a revolving door of the young & dumb? Most people doing less than five years then running like hell when they see it for what it really is?

Less than $40k a year with little or no health care and no pension?

(Would love to see some of the people constantly shit-talking about "we have to eat our 401K's, fire 'em all, we'll work for half..." the first time they get torn-up going toe to toe with dude & co. or get blown up in a car crash and maimed with little or no health care or they make it to retirement tired and half dead with no pension for their time of sacrifice and pain taking quality family time and years off their lives...)

If shorty and a majority of the city council aren't voted out in 2011, the above scenario and the big push for privatization won't seem so far fetched.

3/10/2010 01:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Farm it out to The ISP Crime Lab?

The ISP Crime Lab personnel for the most part are 20 to 30 something CIVILIANS with college degrees that took those $35,000 per anum positions only because they couldn't get the job positions intended. And after a few years, many leave the ISP for positions that they initially wanted.

They work INSIDE the labs, processing OUR recovered evidence (along with the rest of the state's jurisdictions) and are NOT NOR WILL THEY EVER BE OUT ON THE ACTUAL CRIME SCENES processing and recovering evidence!

The SWORN (mobile) ISP Crime Lab personnel are limited in numbers that there is NO WAY IN HELL they will be processing the crime scenes in Shitcago!

So there! Use your head folks please.... If it looks like a duck, pour some delicious Peking Hoisin sauce on it and eat it.....

3/10/2010 02:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There's almost everything private these days but notably some companies do DNA testing a lot faster than backlogged public labs. There is no per se requirement to use a local or state lab. The FBI lab is available although backlogged as well and sometimes the Air Force DNA lab has taken overflow.

Now if only we could get answers in seconds like on TV!

3/10/2010 02:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

WHEN I HAD MY GARAGE SPRAY PAINTED WITH GANG GRAFFITI A MONTH OR SO AGO, I WAS TOLD NO E T WOULD BE SENT TO PHOTOGRAPH IT.

I GUESS CPD ISN'T EVEN TRYING TO FAKE THAT THEY NO LONGER CARE ABOUT CRIMES THAT THEY HAVE NO DETECTIVE TO ASSIGN TO TO BEGIN WITH.

THIS FRICKIN MAYOR HAS RUINED THIS DEPARTMENT BY MAKING EVERYONE MOBILE CRIME RECORDERS INSTEAD OF CRIME FIGHTERS!

3/10/2010 03:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This will never happen. It would be a mess and many bad guys would walk(not that they don't now). It's funny how mayor daley wants to downsize the CPD CFD CTA etc. etc. but not the city council. How about downsizing the waste in city council? down size the 50 alderthieves to maybe 25. and stop letting them vote themselves huge raises.

3/10/2010 03:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm gonna call bullshit on this one. Get rid of forensic services, i.e. all E/Ts and Crime Lab? That would have to be subject to collective bargaining negotiations to get rid of these ranks/units, would it not?

3/10/2010 04:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I call BS on this one!

3/10/2010 05:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why would you call forenics about spraypaint? DUHHHHHHHHHHH.

3/10/2010 06:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
I'm gonna call bullshit on this one. Get rid of forensic services, i.e. all E/Ts and Crime Lab? That would have to be subject to collective bargaining negotiations to get rid of these ranks/units, would it not?

3/10/2010 04:48:00 AM


The city can eliminate units and they just have to give super seniority to those members left in the unit so they can bid to another unit. Knowing the city (this has happened before to police dispatchers) they will try to convince people to go somewhere before the unit is disbanded.

That way those officers will lose D2 pay. If this happened, the officers in Forensic Services must wait for the unit to be eliminated and let the city force them to bid somewhere. Then they keep the D2 pay until retirement or promotion.

Fucking city sucks. Not much time left for me on the CPD, thank God!

3/10/2010 06:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Then don’t bitch every time I switch over to position 11 and request you to show up. Every time its “we don’t do that.” “Do you have an offender in custody?”
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AMEN!!!!!!!!!
That would mean you guys would have to do more than 3 jobs a night. Lazy asses.

3/10/2010 07:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I know being an E/T is a pain in the butt,but it's your job guys. I almost dread calling an E/T because I know I'll want to punch them IF they show up. I know I am just a lowly beat guy, but I'm just doing my job. I am not saying all E/T 's are like this, but there are some that are absolute pricks.

3/10/2010 07:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The majority of police agencies farm out forensics. Do you think these companies will have any problem finding employees? Unemployment at 10% and we make 68 grand at 5 year step? Plus 365 sick days every two years? Not to mention a pension, which practically no other American gets anymore. We are dinosaurs who have outlived an era. 51% of the country voted for Change, and it's coming. But it's not the change that most of us want. But believe this: our pensions are NOT guaranteed. Look up chapter 9 bankruptcy, which enables municipalities to get out of their responsibilities. This law was enacted in 1934 and has been used about 600 times. California is on the verge of declaring.

3/10/2010 07:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
I'm gonna call bullshit on this one. Get rid of forensic services, i.e. all E/Ts and Crime Lab? That would have to be subject to collective bargaining negotiations to get rid of these ranks/units, would it not?

3/10/2010 04:48:00 AM

Disagree, the city has a right to disband any unit! For example when the city dumped all the d-2 paid dispatchers,they kept the pay,then after what 6 years were all put back and told if you want the higher d-2 pay you are back at 911 center! This happened to my wife so yes they can do it!

3/10/2010 08:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They are teaching more and more college kids how to be CSI. They think it is like a TV show. Anyway a lot of colleges are offering this and soon the ET will be gone.This is something that will happen.

3/10/2010 08:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How about downsizing the mayor's security detail when he goes out of state to his Michigan home. Then downsize Alderscum Eddie's detail.

How much do these two details alone cost the taxpayers?

3/10/2010 08:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They'll give to former Supe Terry Hilliard who is now making a ton of cash off the city:
- he works for Taser who is getting a contract from CPD for at least 400 tasers in the first round and up to a 1000 total.
- McPier is looking at privatizing security and Hilliard's group if the front runner for the contract.
I wouldn't doubt if he hooks up with a private lab and bids on this too.

3/10/2010 08:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Then don’t bitch every time I switch over to position 11 and request you to show up. Every time its “we don’t do that.” “Do you have an offender in custody?”

3/10/2010 12:12:00 AM

Amen to that.

3/10/2010 08:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

civilianize the evidence technicians is a graet idea
hire college grads that will do a better job , you don't really need to be armed to process a homicide scene
paying po's sergeants pay to collect evidence
give me a break , civilians would perform duties for less
how many hours do they work a day processing crime scenes

3/10/2010 08:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

For goodness sakes, getting an ET to cheer up and do thier job with out complaining is like trying to deal with the State's Attorney for a felony upgrade. Go ahead privatize them, we can use the help back on the street, they forgot what its like apparently

3/10/2010 09:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's hard enough to get an ET to come out just for a photo! Is it really that hard to take a picture and inventory it? It beats getting so other BS job. If you don't like the job, go back to a beat car and give the D2 pay to someone who would appreciate it.

To be fair, I don't know if its the ET, the SGT, or above making these decisions, but come on.

3/10/2010 09:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

For those in patrol, if there is a person shot, as long as they are still alive-no matter if they are going to die, an Evidence Technician is assigned. Even if while the scene is being processes by an ET and the "victim" dies, the ET will finish the job and the Crime Lab will not be dispatched.

The the person asking about why an ET was not dispatched to photo graffiti...what is the evidentiary value of a gangs graffiti? Unless it can be proven you were targeted because you are a P.O. or if it was a Hate Crime, the photos are completely useless

3/10/2010 10:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"WHEN I HAD MY GARAGE SPRAY PAINTED WITH GANG GRAFFITI A MONTH OR SO AGO, I WAS TOLD NO E T WOULD BE SENT TO PHOTOGRAPH IT"

It's not that an ET WILL NOT come out. The directive on graffiti had changed a couple years ago, didn't you know?

For ALL private property graffiti cases, unless it is a hate crime, malicious in nature, or some other extenuating circumstance, the paper car is to contact their respective district's CAPS office for notification. Once notified, the paper work is relayed to Streets and Sanitation who come out and PHOTOGRAPH and remove said graffiti. The photos are then made available to the Corp Counsel or State's attorneys for court purposes. It is a written Department directive. Not "lazy ETs".

City/State property however IS handled by the ETs.

3/10/2010 10:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Then don’t bitch every time I switch over to position 11 and request you to show up. Every time its “we don’t do that.” “Do you have an offender in custody?”

3/10/2010 12:12:00 AM
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Amen. Has the dispatcher given you the "only detectives can order forensic services" line yet? Or how about "they don't come out for misdemeanors." Just fill out the ticket and send it through.

3/10/2010 10:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"That being said please call us for prints,or whatever you need so we can keep our positions. We are only to happy to respond thanks to CPD officers!"

Really? Do any of you really think any self-respecting copper would write this?

C'mon now.

3/10/2010 11:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"That would have to be subject to collective bargaining negotiations to get rid of these ranks/units, would it not?"

Not necessarily. P.O.s used to be dispatchers until those sworn positions were eliminated (most of them, anyway).

The city still has to pay them at their higher rate, though, even if they're re-assigned from Investigative Services to patrol.

3/10/2010 11:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

See...I personally would like to work at a crime lab. I have a passion for justice and a special interest in giving people peace and closure through something definite; science.

Thing is, I haven't made $35k/year since I was in my early 20s. And with the way IL/Chicago runs their backed-up labs, there is no way in hell I would ever be able to make a difference. :(

3/10/2010 11:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Privatizing? Doubtful. Contractin out to another agency? Possible, but who? ISP? Cook County? Does any other agency have the personnel to respond to the volume of jobs that we do?

The city's doing the same thing to Forensic Services that it's doing to the rest of the department; layoffs via attrition. They're not replacing retirees.

My unit has fewer E/Ts assigned than when I got there a few years ago.

Expect us to respond to fewer crimes and expect increased wait times.

3/10/2010 11:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Then don’t bitch every time I switch over to position 11 and request you to show up. Every time its “we don’t do that.” “Do you have an offender in custody?”
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Brought it on yourselves, again.

3/10/2010 12:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How could you tell - ETs never come out when called. Guess you guys cut your own throats by only doing two calls a night and acting like prima donnas...

Those 110 honorable mentions you got for every positive finger print match must be a great comfort to you now - Punks

3/10/2010 12:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A lot of crime lab type work, especially the more involved stuff like DNA is already farmed out.

I doubt the ISP crime lab is in any position to do much in the way of taking in work from Chicago. By most accounts they are not well managed either, and have a long history of serious problems themselves.

I don't see chain of evidence being a problem, as long as it is handled properly.

As for photos, why would you need an ET to take run of the mill photos? Operating a camera is not any harder than operating a car. I say give every copper a digital camera and a few hours of instruction in how the images are to be taken and cataloged. For many things there would be no need for an ET to take the photos.

I don't know how it is in Chicago, but many places street cops take pictures of accident scenes, or of suspects that have been taken into custody.

In bulk, a decent digital camera can probably be purchased for $100 or so.

Most coppers are fairly bright and would learn to take useful pictures pretty quick.

3/10/2010 01:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

3/10/2010 03:35:00 AM -
Perhaps you should read the general order / protocol for graffiti. Streets and Sans takes pics of the graffiti before cleaning it. You may get an ET if it's city property or if someone is in custody to ensure the photographs happen for prosecution.

3/10/2010 02:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the person about the graffiti on their garage, it is not the ET's decision not to respond to these calls. We are told what we can and cannot respond to. To the person that complained about switching over to our frequency and asking if their is an offender in custody and "we don't do that." Don't blame the ET's or our Sgt's. Once again we are TOLD what we can and cannot respond to. If it is a simple battery then no we do not respond to it. And if it something we normally do not come out for and there is an offender in custody then our Sgt will approve us to go. We can't make these decisions. Believe me when I say that there are some hard working ET's out there and really do want to help out the PO's so the cases stick and so they don't have to hear victim's complain to them on why there is not an ET showing up. I know some PO's have had some bad experiences but we are all not bad and we do want to help.

3/10/2010 02:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I work at FSD, our biggest problem is manpower. most of the time we have one or one and a half car working. Also by the time you call and com center They get around to calling us it may be 30-50 mins. We can't help that. Also the beat cars wait to request us, if the person is dead call for us asap. You call we come.

3/10/2010 03:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Funny you should ask! The Vanecko and Daley Lab. Co. has recently been established. As soon as young Mr. Daley returns from his secret assignment with the Army he and his cousin will be available to handle all the CPD's lab work. And for $1 exrea, they will clean your sewer

If the sewers get cleaned, where will the mayor and aldermen live and eat?

3/10/2010 05:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

d2 and d3 pay to take pictures , look for fingerprints and inventory evidence is bs and breaking the pension

every police officer is capable of doing there job sheeet most of the time we already have evidence located for et and forensic inv
detectives deserve d3 pay more than forensic investigators

3/10/2010 05:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The state will be the "Major Case Forensic Team" handling homicides and other news worthy crime scenes. The tecs. from CPD will be the dust flunkies going around throwing FP powder around crime scenes trying to make citizens think that they are getting service for taxes paid. New name for the ETs is the "Blue Fairy Squad"

3/10/2010 05:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Happy To Respond??? My Ass! Every time I switch to order et,one whines,then Some Sgt.refuses to send a car for some reason or another.Once a female sgt. asked if there was a possible chance of catching someone if e.t. responded for prints!!! DUH I hope so.

3/10/2010 05:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the below (partial poster)
WHEN I HAD MY GARAGE SPRAY PAINTED WITH GANG GRAFFITI A MONTH OR SO AGO, I WAS TOLD NO E T WOULD BE SENT TO PHOTOGRAPH IT.

The order, about 3 years old now says (in summary) that all graffiti on public way is to be reported to the (district) CAPS Office, who in turn are supposed to notify the local Ward Office to respond and photograph it.

If you're MFing 'ME' about now, read on..

Hey, don't kill the messenger, I'm just that-- the friggin messenger NOT the author)

The theory is that S&S photos it, has Graffiti Blasters clean it and IF/WHEN an offender is in custody, S&S shows up with the bill/cost to remove the graffiti and presents their photo as evidence at the court date.

Again, I'm just sayin'....

3/10/2010 05:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

3/10/2010 05:12:00 PM -
Yeah, ok. The ranks of d2 and d3 are breaking the pension? It sur couldn't be the gold stars.

Learn how to spell, maybe use a punctuation mark now and then, and then do the job of an ET or Crime Lab. You would be eaten alive in court.

3/10/2010 05:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No it isn't something that they want to give to the State Crime Lab. Shortshanks has ANOTHER nephew that is in the business that will get the NO BID CONTRACT to do the work. The city will pay MORE money to do it privatly but at least Daley will get some kickbacks this way. See in the old days Daleys dad never contracted to the privates because there were enough city workers giving cash under the table to get spots & jobs. Now with all this Shackman stuff city employees don't have to sweat losing their jobs. So in order to make money you contract out.

3/10/2010 05:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

C'mon!!! Does Walsh Construction do this too????

3/10/2010 06:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm a Sgt who is getting ready to retire and have landed a job with The Hillard Group, I will travel a little but I will be getting great pay, a company car and get Federal marshall credentials to fly armed while with high profile clients.

3/10/2010 07:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let the State do it. 'nuff said.

3/10/2010 07:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The crime lab guys are prima donnas that require a pope's edict to get them to respond and when they do they make the grand entrance about 2 hours after an incident.

For sgt's pay; you are better off in the field than plastered to your computers and TVs.

3/10/2010 07:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
I'm gonna call bullshit on this one. Get rid of forensic services, i.e. all E/Ts and Crime Lab? That would have to be subject to collective bargaining negotiations to get rid of these ranks/units, would it not?

3/10/2010 04:48:00 AM

you guys are overpaid and under worked. hit the bricks you clouted clowns.

3/10/2010 07:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

how many hours do they work a day processing crime scenes

3/10/2010 08:56:00 AM

three at best

3/10/2010 07:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
To the person about the graffiti on their garage, it is not the ET's decision not to respond to these calls. We are told what we can and cannot respond to. To the person that complained about switching over to our frequency and asking if their is an offender in custody and "we don't do that." Don't blame the ET's or our Sgt's.

EXACTLY: blame that fat-lard ass boss with the doctorate's degree.

3/10/2010 07:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We can't help that. Also the beat cars wait to request us, if the person is dead call for us asap. You call we come.

3/10/2010 03:19:00 PM

I call you out: this is bullshit. As a Sgt. when arriving at the scene and the body is dead I always request the crime lab FIRST. The lab then says " have the beat car call us", then, if we are lucky you respond an hour later. Or; when you refuse to come out you send an ET and refuse to pay him out of grade.

3/10/2010 07:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Forensics in the CPD is like CSI isn't it????

3/10/2010 07:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sgt. If you call us and we don't have enough people working the call our boss. He is the one that says go or no go. If our C O wasn't such a dick we would work days off to man at least two units. But you get what the bosses give you, not happy then call them cause in FSD THEY know everything. Or maybe the new hours they are starting will make a difference and the change of starting all shifts two hours later wasn't cause they got pissed and wanted to screw us. The bosses wouldn't do that would they :-)

3/10/2010 10:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"WHEN I HAD MY GARAGE SPRAY PAINTED..."

IMPOSSIBLE! Selling spray paint is a violation of the city ordinance!

You mean that people are daring to violate this law??

What next? Violating the handgun ban? Shooting people? Selling drugs on the street corner? Where will it end?

(Sorry about your garage, but I couldn't help but screw with Dick Daley and his inane vision of the "utopia" he's created.)

3/11/2010 12:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Every time its 'we don’t do that.' 'Do you have an offender in custody?'”

Don't take it so personally. I mean, do you really care what we ride on? E/Ts don't decide what we do/don't handle. It's unit policy.

I feel really bad for beat guys sometimes; you're stuck in the middle between us and supervisors who were never the police, people who think it's actually like it is on TV, people who don't think that you're smart enough to recognize whether or not viable evidence exists on a scene.

If they do eliminate Forensic Services, look for service ONLY on crimes against persons and increased waiting times for you.

3/11/2010 01:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Career Development Month at Wright College, 4300 N. Narragansett Ave., is inviting you to join us for a presentation:

Trooper Narish will display a multimedia presentation explaining the components of the Illinois State Police, Division of Forensic Service. The presentation will cover Forensic Sciences Command, which consists of 9 forensic laboratories, and Crime Scene Services Command, which consists of
45 Crime Scene Investigators, Forensic Diagramming and Animation, and Forensic Anthropology.

After the presentation, CSI Narish will be available for a Q & A session.

When: Thursday, March 11, 2010
Time: 4:30-6:00 PM
Location: Theater

3/11/2010 01:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"...please call us for prints,or whatever you need so we can keep our positions. We are only to happy to respond thanks to CPD officers!"

A Chicago Police officer asking to do more work? Really, rookies, were you fooled by this clown?

This is some goof trying to stir crap.

3/11/2010 01:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The CPD will soon begin using the services of forensics officers from departments closest to the call, Park Ridge, Evanston, Oak Park etc. Daley killed the CPD crime lab here years ago so why not the rest of forensics? it is all a big fucking bad joke anyway. The police department is in shambles and everyone knows it.

Daley has done a Meigs Field to the CPD.

When you need the services of an ET or Crime Lab, call Masters office and ask what to do.

3/11/2010 06:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

civilianize the evidence technicians is a graet idea
hire college grads that will do a better job , you don't really need to be armed to process a homicide scene
paying po's sergeants pay to collect evidence
give me a break , civilians would perform duties for less
how many hours do they work a day processing crime scenes



Yes, the civilian workers would make less, but the owners would make millions. Every time something is privatized, it costs much more money. It is always cheaper to have govn't run employees, they don't make a profit, are self-insured, and the workers make much more rather than a few owners making millions.

3/11/2010 08:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hate to say it guys...nobody feels sorry for you...all you ever get,is really long wait times,and miserable ''why did you bother me attitude''...I know the majority of you guys/gals came from the ''treat everyone like shit''era...but them days are gone...and at this point...nobody gives a fuck if they disband your unit...

3/11/2010 09:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
The Career Development Month at Wright College, 4300 N. Narragansett Ave., is inviting you to join us for a presentation:

Trooper Narish will display a multimedia presentation explaining the components of the Illinois State Police, Division of Forensic Service. The presentation will cover Forensic Sciences Command, which consists of 9 forensic laboratories, and Crime Scene Services Command, which consists of
45 Crime Scene Investigators, Forensic Diagramming and Animation, and Forensic Anthropology.

After the presentation, CSI Narish will be available for a Q & A session.

When: Thursday, March 11, 2010
Time: 4:30-6:00 PM
Location: Theater

3/11/2010 01:33:00 AM

Getting ready to take over et's jobs? Hope they do,at least then, hopefully no bitching when your called for prints or photos!

3/11/2010 10:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

State Police can handle major incidents , assign et's back in districts to handle property crimes,domestics battery photos etc
et could write burglary case report and process crime scene

Jfed check et's gps , never at a crime scene burg , rec auto , battery more than 30 min and that's writing et report
jfed earn your $300+ salary
we need the help in districts
100 ets = 4 more per district

3/11/2010 02:09:00 PM  
Blogger sharky said...

Anonymous said...
"Every time its 'we don’t do that.' 'Do you have an offender in custody?'”

Don't take it so personally. I mean, do you really care what we ride on? E/Ts don't decide what we do/don't handle. It's unit policy.

I feel really bad for beat guys sometimes; you're stuck in the middle between us and supervisors who were never the police, people who think it's actually like it is on TV, people who don't think that you're smart enough to recognize whether or not viable evidence exists on a scene.

If they do eliminate Forensic Services, look for service ONLY on crimes against persons and increased waiting times for you.

3/11/2010 01:12:00 AM

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THe real problem is that specialized units make up policies on their own and nothing is put into print. Both sides could point to a specific policy if it is in print. We are always told this is unit policy. Watch Commanders quite often have to order ET's to do certain jobs "against their unit policy".......Downtown tells Commanders to order ET's on every Burglary and CDTP, yet the ET's refuse all CDTP's and a sizeable amount of burglaries due to "Unit Policy."
Nothing against the ET's themselves, its another one of those contradictions in the Chicago Police Department. Nobody in the higher echelons of District Patrol wants to offend anyone in Forensics, so they dont call them out on it. That's the real problem.

3/11/2010 04:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dick-tator Daley will privatize EVERYTHING, even CPD when he gets the chance!

E/Ts will only be the first step!

While his family & cronies make all the $$$ owning these private companies!

Don't think it can't happen!

3/12/2010 12:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"THe real problem is that specialized units make up policies on their own and nothing is put into print. Both sides could point to a specific policy if it is in print. We are always told this is unit policy. Watch Commanders quite often have to order ET's to do certain jobs "against their unit policy".......Downtown tells Commanders to order ET's on every Burglary and CDTP, yet the ET's refuse all CDTP's and a sizeable amount of burglaries due to "Unit Policy."
Nothing against the ET's themselves, its another one of those contradictions in the Chicago Police Department. Nobody in the higher echelons of District Patrol wants to offend anyone in Forensics, so they dont call them out on it. That's the real problem."

If you've called for an E/T you've done your job.

Whether they come out, or do anything at the job isn't your problem.

Even if g.o. exists that says "call an E/T", once you do that, you're off the hook.

Again, don't take it personally. You did your job.

3/12/2010 12:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Make sure you get all your foot print and tire mark requests in as soon as possible because we have to return the equipment to CSI Miami in June. Oh.. and make sure when your requesting fingerprints on things that are covered in snow, water or just plain filth ask for our special titanium and gold dusting equipment.

3/12/2010 01:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There is something VERY REAL about a C-S-I Effect in criminal cases. Especially when it comes to juries. There are also "Rent-A-Liar" Forensics "experts" that defense lawyers can hire.

3/13/2010 10:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am an ET. I, too, when assigned to the district on a beat car, have dealt with crabby old ET's who show up to your scene, scold you, and do everything they can to declare the scene contaminated and ride off with out doing anything.

However, those old crabby guys are being replaced by new guys from the first test given about five years ago for the ET position. The newer guys seem to be in a better mood- young or old. (The test was publicized in the daily bulletin for several weeks. The results after the test were posted the following evening on ICAM- first quasi legit test I ever took.) Also, the last couple classes were taken off the rank listings from the posted results, and didn't contain the 20% merit picks allowed per contract.

I don't forget what it was like to work in the district, and even when I respond to a request by a beat car to process grass clippings that fell off a lawnmower pushed down the alley by an offender, I still come out and do my job as directed, knowing the beat car is just doing what they have been directed by bosses (order ET with no discretion allowed). I greet all with a smile and treat everyone fairly. In turn, we may not arrive to your request, not because we are lazy, but because we were directed not to go by our bosses.

It should be noted that just like in patrol, there is not enough manpower most of the time to handle the workload. The bosses then have to cut who gets service and who doesn't, often based on priority of the crime. Also, the shortage creates a backload, which is why it takes us so long to arrive at the scene.

Due to television and the popularity of CSI, the public as well as PO's, want to solve crimes forensically, creating more of a demand. Real life is not as portrayed on television. So, while I'm processing grass clippings, your waiting at your shooting for an hour or more for an ET to respond.

So, it goes full circle, and shortshanks is the person who all anger should be directed at!!!!

3/14/2010 11:59:00 AM  
Blogger Unknown said...

I HOPE THEY MAKE ALL FORENSICS UNITS CIVILIAN PEOPLE.
WE NEED POLICE OUT ON THE STREETS, NOT SITTING BEHIND A DESK.


W.GODINEZ 013-DIST.

3/15/2010 12:38:00 AM  

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