Wednesday, March 31, 2010

A Study in Stupidity

Who's watching the cameras? It's way less than you think it is:
  • In less than a decade, residents have seen hundreds of POD cameras or police operational devices go up in Chicago neighborhoods. But what impact have they had on fighting crime?

    The highly-respected Urban Institute in Washington, D.C. has come out with the first comprehensive analysis of the cameras. The group wanted an in depth look at how police use cameras to fight crime in Washington, Baltimore and Chicago. The first two cities remain a work in progress.

    For Chicago, the study's architect says, the early results are quite positive.

Oh really? Get ready for some egghead response that has little or no basis in reality and ignores a key component in the real world. Anyone want to bet us on it?
  • The Urban Institute set out to study the effectiveness of the cameras as a crime-fighting tool. Using a sophisticated model, and three years of data, researchers sought to find - do the cameras lesson [sic] crime? Do they just move it? Is there a cost benefit to their use?
There's the egghead - the "highly-respected" Urban Institute (highly respected by whom?)...
  • Dr. Nancy LaVigne led the study which focused on two neighborhoods - Humboldt Park and West Garfield Park. Each has a fairly high concentration of cameras.
There's the pitch...
  • In Humboldt, the conclusion is that the cameras have had a real impact. Drug, robbery, weapons offenses, and overall crime dropped significantly after cameras arrived.

    The same, however, is not true in West Garfield where there was no signficiant [sic] change pre and post camera.

    So why would they have an impact in one neighborhood and not in another? There are a number of possible explanations, but the short answer is researchers don't know. What they can say, however, is that if you combine the numbers from the two neighborhoods, the cameras still have a significant impact on crime.

And there's the bullshit! Let's break this down from the perspective of some people who actually work in Chicago and not some "think tank" in Washington.

West Garfield Park is a disaster zone. It has been for over 50 years. It's overwhelmingly Black, suffered through the King riots, decades of urban neglect and decay, the Crack Wars, and a series of crooked politicians who took mere pennies to use the entire area as a dumping ground for millions of tons of contaminated construction debris.

Humboldt Park is a former Puerto Rican stronghold that has morphed into a gentrified neighborhood that could rightfully be called a turnaround of miraculous proportions. The shops, stores and loft buildings that occupy former flop houses, abandoned structures and decrepit factories now entertain thousands of yuppie residents. A thriving art, club and music scene provides entertainment to suburban tourists. The site of many riots back in the 1970's, the area has since rebounded and priced out lower income families along with much of the criminal element.

In short, a comparison of West Garfield and Humboldt Parks is a study in opposites. And claiming POD cameras had anything to do with it is to ignore the realities on the ground. And these quotes just make our stomachs turn:
  • Fewer crimes means you spend less on investigation, less on the court system and less on victims of crime.

    "We found that for every dollar spent on cameras, there was over a $2 savings in terms of the money that was averted for the crimes that were prevented," said Dr. LaVigne.

Really? How do they come up with that figure? We suspect they pulled it out of their asses.

How about this - let your Detective Division dwindle by 700 or 800 Detectives - voila! - fewer crimes. Instruct your States Attorney to deny felony charges in most cases, "CI" the other cases, accept quick misdemeanor guilty pleas for forcible felonies and guess what? Less investigation and less court time!

We could go on, but the cops reading already get it. The question is - does anybody else?



Anonymous Anonymous said...

The pods are a joke. People still set up dope spots directly underneath them because the think they don't work. They work, sometimes, but hardly anyone uses them or has the time or man power to watch every one at all hours of the day.

3/31/2010 09:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

O.T. Prayer go out to the Homewood Fire Dept. Firefighter Brian Carey suffered life-threatening injuries while fighting the fire and was unable to recover from his injuries. R.I.P. Boo.

3/31/2010 09:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I came on this job educated (I have my MBA) since coming on I've gotten my law degree. After receiving all of this education I'll be the first to tell you that being educated doesn't make you intelligent, after all Im a Chicago policeman! All kidding aside, commonsense sometimes goes out the window when your head is stuck between a book and your ass.

3/31/2010 09:42:00 AM  
Anonymous NineteenDavid said...

We know it's all bullshit. If the citizens want to believe their crap then they deserve what they get. The politicians don't care so I don't care.
Now move along people with these cameras there is nothing to see here.

3/31/2010 10:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Speaking from firsthand experience, the cameras in Humboldt Park do NOT deter crime. The bad guys have learned which ones work, where they scan, more importantly what they DON'T scan, and how to shield their faces.

Yups replacing families of criminals, now THAT reduces crime. Fewer criminals, fewer crimes.

Then again, the families full of gangbangers and criminals have to live somewhere, so when they go, you can start spending money on cameras in 016.

3/31/2010 10:44:00 AM  
Blogger rshah said...

I get it. I am also baffled at why they didn't think about other factors that could explain the difference in neighborhoods. It’s like giving the same medicine to two different patients and one get sick and one gets better. Their conclusion is that the medicine is working. I don’t understand their findings. (I have not yet read their report, just the press stories, which may be distorting their conclusions).
I am also doing my own study of the Chicago cameras that takes into account these issues that aren’t measured by the pure numbers. I would like to learn more about the cameras from the police officers.
I am Rajiv Shah, a professor at UIC, and would like to know how the cameras are used in everyday police work. I have statistical data on the effectiveness of the cameras, but would like to put some faces/stories with that data. I want to know how do cameras play a role in fighting crime? How are they used? Are they effective? What is the best way to use them? What are some problems with them? How well does the high tech operation run in practice?
I am looking for stories as well as people willing to be interviewed by phone or email (anonymously of course). Please drop me a line at, my website is

3/31/2010 11:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here's another CLTV study. Chicago is lagging in census returns. Keep shredding them and discarding them. Lord Shortshanks of Chicago should not be rewarded with more federal funding.

3/31/2010 11:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Possibly the only thing Jesse Jackson ever said that I agree with was, "The cameras only watch the pain, they do nothing to stop the pain."

I wonder if J.J. ever got invited to the White House by the Messiah after that overheard crack, "... should cut off his balls."

Maybe there's two things.

3/31/2010 11:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Please one more shout out for the Coles, the couple in second place is voting like crazy now, I dont feel we can let them down, they should be #1! Please post the link one more time, 13 hours left, they need your help. Thanks

3/31/2010 11:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you look at the actual geographic area the study looked at, it was approximately Kedzie to Kostner along Chicago Ave (Humboldt Park) and the same area along Madison (West Garfield Park). Both location are a warzone. I work there. The only thing I don't get, is how can Madison Ave remain the same, and Chicago Ave got better. It would seem to me the opposite. I'd question what statistics they actually use. Calls for service? Arrests? They can play with numbers any way they like. It's also such a limited geographic area, I don't know how they can come up with conclusive results.

3/31/2010 11:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In the neighborhood where I live
there is only one camera and it is
at Saint Louis and Flournoy Streets
but the Bangers are selling their
product all up and down Lexington
the next block south and the main
concentration is at Lexington and
Central Park. We were "informed"
that a "certain" offical on the
Police Board lives at Lexington and
Saint Louis in Homan Square so no
camera will be placed at that
intersection so as not to embarass
him. And this alderwoman that we
have over the 24th Ward is about as
useful as those weed patches in the
middle of the intersections.

3/31/2010 11:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

here's something for the eggheads to chew on--- the dope man doesn't stop being the dope man because of the camera at his tip of choice--- he just sets up a new tip where there is no camera and he is still the dope man--- gang suppression, trp mission, seatbelt mission, curfew mission, all bullshit and useless---

3/31/2010 12:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ot: so we have about 17 more days until the arbitrator gives us his ruling. let's hope he sticks it to the city. we need some good news. retro checks in august.

3/31/2010 01:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fantastic Post SCC!

3/31/2010 02:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Illinois muni bonds got cut to A- from A.


Cook county will delay your increased property tax bill until after the Nov election.

3/31/2010 02:20:00 PM  
Blogger NorthSide said...

I left a phone message (202.261.5709) for Dr. Nancy G. LaVigne of the Urban Institute in D.C. alerting her to the fact that the obvious (with flashing blue lights) "crime camera" report will be met by vehement criticism from CPD officers actually working the affected beats.

First, let's clarify the community boundaries of West Garfield Park (1.5 sq. miles) and Humboldt Park (2.0 sq. miles):

West Garfield Park is bounded by Chicago Ave. (N), I-290 the Eisenhower Expwy. (S), Cicero Ave. (W) and Pulaski Rd. (E). It includes all or parts of Beats 1111, 1113, 1114, 1115, 1131 and 1132.

Humboldt Park is northeast and diagonally adjacent to West Garfield Park at the intersection of Chicago Ave. (S) and Pulaski Rd. (W). Humboldt Park's other boundaries are North Ave. (N) and Western Ave. (E). It includes all or portions of Beats 1112, 1121, 1311, 1312, 1422, 1423, 2534 and 2535.

If a factfinder were to exclude drinking on the public way (DOPW), selling loose cigarettes, "one-rock" narcotics trafficking, illegal parking and other petty ordinance violations, I submit that the cameras fail to deter Part I crimes and are a flagrant waste of taxpayer dollars.

Should you disagree, please document any instance(s) where the cameras were substantively responsible for the arrests of any felons, forcible or otherwise.

The cameras are utter bullshit and just another tool in the propaganda arsenal of Shortshanks and the WEISel to exploit the all too willing local media to assuage the gullible public that all is well with the status quo. Balderdash!

An Orwellian proponent may suggest that instead, the City install new inconspicuous micro cameras at "hot spots" to monitor potential felonies in progress. Rest assured that even if they were installed using cherry pickers at an ungodly hour, the word will soon get out to the street thugs, certainly in high crime areas.

There is no substitute for manpower and aggressive policing. Admit it, "Big Brother".

Perhaps Dr. LaVigne would like to respond on SCC to what I submit is specious methodology essentially based on non sequiturs. By her own admission, she has conceded that the West Garfield Park ghetto research was at best, inconclusive if not a total failure.

I would also question any WEISel contacts, directly or indirectly affiliated with the Urban Institute and/or Rutgers University (NJ).

3/31/2010 03:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Beginning at 3:11 PM, person unknown at the Urban Institute (IP#192.188.252), Washington, D.C. is currently monitoring the SCC blog.

3/31/2010 03:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


What is TO SPOT ?

3/31/2010 03:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

it's official .. the cameras work ... whatever

3/31/2010 03:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OT: SCC is it true the Department is looking to add to its ranks members who have completed training on the lie detector machines. Apparently 80% of the fools they sent last year can't pass the class. I wonder if everyone will get a crack at this one.

3/31/2010 04:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do you really think there are that many violent crimes w/in view of the say, Spaulding/Chicago camera where you could actually study the effect of putting up a camera?

Say that camera scans 3232 west to 3332 west ... now take all the crimes right there in the last 20 years - get a rate of what say 10 per year? So I guess if the rate goes to 5 per year you do have a 50% reduction ... OK I guess that's how they studied it.

But somethings not clicking here ... they seem pretty confident that the crime didn't just move somewhere else ... that's the part I am not buying. I guess they looked at the overall crime rate decline ... but how they can attribute that to cameras is the achilles heal. I'd say cameras patrol .01% of the cities surface area ... so you are going to credit a measley camera system with that improvement? Really? What about crime trends pre-camera - were there not other reasons for these fluctuations? There had to be, right? Of course.

So there's less crime by the camera - that's believable, even the savage has eyes, but how to you presume a cause and effect beyond that miniscule .01% of covered area?

You can't isolate the effect of the camera alone, there are about a million other factors.

So they deter a bit in one particular spot ... OK. No problem.

3/31/2010 04:10:00 PM  
Anonymous REST IN PEACE "BOO"... said...

hey scc... how about a thread about brian "boo" carey. He was the fireman in homewood who was killed last night in a fire. I knew him personally from growing up with him on the southside of chicago. Brian was a neighborhood guy who went to brother rice and has many friends from the southside who are members of the cpd as well. One of the best guys around... fuckin shame, hes gonna be missed.

3/31/2010 04:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"...$2 savings in terms of the money that was averted..." WTF does that even mean?

3/31/2010 04:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

they should of used the pod on 87th and exchange where 5 that is right 5 homicides occurred within in a couple of feet from the pod. Any everything the same b.s. pod is under repair and needs to be updated. No one uses these pods.

3/31/2010 04:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Put a camera on the bucket bangers across the street from DePaul. Sounds like shit and keeps dog asses in the neighborhood.

3/31/2010 05:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

CAPS works too! Did I mention wolf packs and seat belt missions?

3/31/2010 05:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No one is going to call you Northside. You speak the truth!

3/31/2010 05:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cameras have been used in private industry for many years. Their studies show that cameras, either overt or covert, do little to prevent crime. For one, no one watches the screens. But, cameras , at least in private industry, have been shown to be effective when investigting crime. England has had very good success clearing crimes using historic video footage. On the other points, I think SCC is right on and the think tank is full of BS.

3/31/2010 05:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


You are something else, man. No wonder the corrupt a**holes would never promote you above sgt. They would be cutting there own throats.

God forbid but if my loved ones were ever victims of a major crime, I would definitly want you on the case.

Great job.

3/31/2010 05:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"We could go on, but the cops reading already get it. The question is - does anybody else?"

uh, the criminals?

3/31/2010 06:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anybody remember the old POD "Football" that was supposed to be a portable monitor for field units. Never worked, since day one, and never will. This stuff is hilarious!

3/31/2010 06:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

POD mission = code word for coffe break.

3/31/2010 06:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

R.I.P. to a fellow Southside Irish, Brian Carey, HFD. Our prayers go out to you and your family.

3/31/2010 06:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Condolences to the firefighters family and friends in Homewood.

3/31/2010 06:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Post hoc ergo propter hoc" is a logical fallacy which states, "Since that event followed this one, that event must have been caused by this one.".

3/31/2010 06:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I saw this report on Channel 7. Imagine if that suckhole Commander Lewin said the truth that the blue light cameras are all bullshit. Daley and the WEISel would have his lying ass dumped into a district from his cushy job in a heartbeat. Typical yes man.

More Kool Ade on the way. It's the Chicago way. Guzzle it down and STFU.

Nice going, John Northen. You are gospel.

3/31/2010 06:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Even if the cameras did work, who in their right mind would watch that crap without nodding off. Watching grass grow would be more interesting. Only an idiot could stare at all those TV screens for a tour.

I hate the way the media helps the city con the public with such crap. Aside from Fox, I don't even watch the TV news or read newspapers anymore.

3/31/2010 06:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

gentrification! thats the answer!. Why cant th retarded think thanks get this??

The land is valuable in humboldt park and garfield park. those areas were once beautiful and will be again some day.

i say keep kicking the rif raff section 8 losers to the suburbs and let the real estate people redevelop those areas.

gated communities would be nice.

3/31/2010 07:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And so does foot patrols until 3am. Sure Judy it worked in phily. It will not work here due to the low manpower

3/31/2010 07:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey SCC, I just got done checking out Professor Shah's website. I think most CPD personnel would find it pretty interesting, seems like Professor Shah is on to something, check it out.

"I am Rajiv Shah, a professor at UIC, and would like to know how the cameras are used in everyday police work. Please drop me a line at, my website is"

3/31/2010 07:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Area 4 Det. said...

I checked on Nancy LaVigne. She is the director of their Justice Policy Center. She received a doctorate in Criminal Justice from Rutgers, the State University of New Jersey.

The Rutgers Camden campus is right across the Delaware River from Philadelphia where J-Fraud was the FBI boss. I smell a weasel. She use to be with that bogus PERF outfit also.

You're still at the top of your game, Johnny Northside.

3/31/2010 08:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The reason why they didn't look or identify the other factors is because they (the think tank) did not want to be concidered racists. Say what you want but it's the truth and SCC spoke it.
Honestly, look no further than that. The radical change Humboldt Park has taken with the Yuppies moving in and pricing out the Puerto Ricans that used to live there has saved that neighborhood and has become livable for tax payers. Can't say that about Garfield Park. nough said. You don't have to dig hard for the truth, most of the time it's right in front of you.
FYI. The camers just make the shit heads move into the alley or down the block a bit; but that only lasts for about a month or two.

3/31/2010 08:57:00 PM  
Anonymous CN said...

I work in 014. Crime is down because white yuppies have moved in. Moved in at Rockwell/Lemoyne, Spaulding/ Beach, etc. I don't recall one crime being solved by the use of a camera. In fact, I reviewed a camera after a robbery at Cortland and California. The camera's movement went around the offenders and never caught the act. It did get a great shot of the victim before and after. So that's my example of PODS not stopping and not catching offenders. Here's one that doesn't even move the shitbirds. They hang out under the damn thing at Spaulding/Division. Good luck catching anyone because they came out in packs. I guess they learned that from the Waste of Chicago.

3/31/2010 09:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Che the Revolutionary said...

OFF TOPIC but important to me,none the less.

Great Job to Area 5 SVU det's Pulcanio and Labbe for overcoming insurmountable obstacles and garnering a confession from the deaf baby sitter who committed such a heinous crime against an infant. Your Sgt. will never appreciate your dedication and tenacity. Merit Sgt's never do. He has an aversion to work, it interferes with his other hobbies, like stocking the refrigerator and checking on his car at the body shop, and running his side business from the comfort of the Area, but I digress.

BTW; Lt. Sullivan, next time a hand shake would be preferred over a hug infront of the troops.

We few, we merry few, we Band of Brothers.

If this makes the blog, I can't wait to see which one of us "malcontents" gets the credit.

3/31/2010 09:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

>>>REST IN PEACE "BOO"... said...
hey scc... how about a thread about brian "boo" carey. He was the fireman in homewood who was killed last night in a fire.<<<

Yes, Rest in Peace BOO, and God Bless All our Fire Fighters and Paramedics. Fire Fighter Karra Kopas our prayers for you for a full speedy recovery.

Stay Safe to all who read this, are your smoke and carbon monoxide detectors working.

3/31/2010 09:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks Urban Institute for your what I'm sure was your unbiased and politically correct study(wink..wink)!
The reality is that the POD cameras are installed only to make ignorant people feel safe. I'm by no means suggesting that all the people in the ghetto (where ALL the cameras are) are ignornat. I'm just suggesting that the people who have no idea how to fight and deter crime are ignorant as to how those 2 goals are accomplished . Go to the people who live right by those cameras and ask them, the people, if crime has gone down because of them. The OVERWHELMING answer will be NO! The assholes who got the contract will tell the masses that it deters crime and so will the political entity that got the kickbacks, and the people who have the cameras there will just assume they do because of the bullshit statistics thrown at them.
Reality, it's cheaper to provide a false sense of security. i.e;camera, then a human being, i.e; policeman.
Years ago, before 9/11. The CIA began relying on technology based intelligence versus humint (human based intelligence). They relied on technology and forgot about agents in the field. The higher ups decided that technology was cheaper and would bring them the intelligence it required and the man on the ground was the days of old. Well, we all know what tragedy occured and you know what? We have ALOT more agents again. I write this only state that, POLICE OFFICERS deter and prevent crime, not cameras.

3/31/2010 09:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I remember filling out their questioner a while back. They sent them to all the detectives in those areas. POD cameras are great....

Oh wait, that is my Daley brainwashing chip kicking in.

3/31/2010 09:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The pods when initially installed at the correst height kept being vandalized. When they raised them up, they became basically useless 99 percent of the time. But the blue lights are pretty at night.

3/31/2010 09:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The big question is, how much government money (grants, etc) was used to do this Dr. Seuss fucking study! I mean... really... I got a headache reading it! $2 saved for every $1 spent.. huh? what?

Dr. Nancy G. LaVigne, listen up... the cameras are USELESS! Do you live in a bubble? if a camera is installed on intersection "A" Joe Dope Dealer moves to intersection "B". the crime continues. In order for a camera to be effective it has to be monitored in "REAL TIME" and the observed "crime" must be dispatched to a unit in the area with full and accurate descriptions. This sounds as good as your whacky study right?
All you dumb ass bosses, media freaks, think tank do good Urban institute, Mr. Mayor, Melonhead. Listen very carefully. POLICE cannot stop street crime. We react to it! Crime is a social economic by product this is why you have more crime in Englewood than Wrigleyville.
So my friends, let's start thinking outside the box, or shall I say tank? if you want an effective tool for dealing with street crime, here it is....OFFICERS on the street! A camera can't make an arrest, or inventory drugs or weapons. Make a street stop and so on...
If you really want to see how ineffective the cameras are, call the Fusion Center or shall I say CONfusion Center, and ask to have a particular cameras video viewed for help in a crime. GOOD LUCK! Or try to get a copy of your in-car video to take to traffic court or criminal court to help you win a DUI case or any other trial. It will only show up if you are the accused!


3/31/2010 10:01:00 PM  
Anonymous 2000 U.S. Census said...

West Garfield Park is virtually all African-American. Humboldt Park is almost all minorities divided between African-American and Hispanic (Puerto Rican).

All of West Garfield Park and most of Humboldt Park are within the confines of the 11th District.

3/31/2010 10:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Statistically, this is the "Texas sharpshooter syndrome". The Texas Sharpshooter shoots ten times into the side of a barn, then goes and draws the target on the wall so that the holes give him the largest score. That is what this "study" did.

3/31/2010 10:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My computer whiz friend told me that appeared on SCC again tonight and outclicked with an e-mail of this thread to another.

Apparently they are trying to cover their tracks and will not have to revisit SCC to circulate the thread.

Don't expect a reply from the Urban Institute or Dr. Nancy LaVigne, Northside. You put them on the defensive on their bullshit report. The IP was the same as 3:20 PM reported: 192.188.252.

3/31/2010 10:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you give a plumber a wrench and he tells you it doesn't work, why wouldn't you believe him? You gave us cameras, we are telling you they aren't very useful.

If you have half a brain and watched ABC's report on The Urban Institute's study.... you would have to conclude that the people at The Urban Institute have half a brain. Sorry Doctor.

3/31/2010 10:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

these camera pods folks..are they nuts, or lost, or both? what a joke the cameras are....

3/31/2010 10:56:00 PM  
Anonymous 661219 said...

Way to go, Northside.

You really should run for office with the city, pension board or FOP and write a book. You are a legend. Thanks, bro.

3/31/2010 11:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Remember when J-Buttfuck publically endorsed Obama in violation of rules and regs. Why doesn't he go to Washington for a job and quit CPD? His promises are worthless. Morale might actually resurrect from the dead once he is gone. Same with the Stuttering Prick. Fuck both of them and their cameras.

The camera report is a ridiculous pack of lies.


3/31/2010 11:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Humboldt ? Are they kidding? All of the PODS from California to Western and still the bangers run wild. What a joke. And the favorite Uptown banger shooting corner, Wilson and Broadway still has no POD because the alderwomen doesnt give a shit.

3/31/2010 11:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...



3/31/2010 11:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

All I know is I have order the POD's about 5x.

None have caught anything, not even a glimpse.

They are always pointed at some tree or a wall or some other nonsense.

Everyone I talk to says the exact same thing.

If you want to see a squirrel playing with his nuts - make a POD request.

3/31/2010 11:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I ordered an 18th dist POD request - the beat car told me it was a Homeland Security Camera - so I suppose it was bought w/ federal $$$

anyway, it was one w/out all the flashing lights - just a little camera up there - and for what it is worth, it was stuck in one spot the entire time. I am not sure if it is supposed to move around, but I am guessing it should ....what do I know ... useless ... and the fact that no one even knows it is up there negates the prized "deterrent effect." SO it is useless on 2 counts. Good night.

3/31/2010 11:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How in God's name can a study even carried out by the smartest of the smartest scientist ... conclude that those cameras do not just move crime around the corner?

How would you control for such an experiment?


3/31/2010 11:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil. Liberal democratic politically correct BS. In other words - Chicago.

3/31/2010 11:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Give it up, Nancy. Judy Boy put you up to your bullshit report. He thinks we are a bunch of morons. If he would only look in the mirror, he would find a treacherous world-class asshole hated by working cops.

Good job, Northside.

4/01/2010 12:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Possibly the only thing Jesse Jackson ever said that I agree with was, "The cameras only watch the pain, they do nothing to stop the pain.".......

3/31/2010 11:15:00 AM

It's not even a proper rhyme.

4/01/2010 12:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

What is TO SPOT ?

3/31/2010 03:38:00 PM

One less than TREE SPOT?

4/01/2010 12:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Off topic, but using a camera:

4/01/2010 12:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Caught a Desk Sgt recently pulling up a POD Mission just as a beat car got a call, well guess what, the Desk Sgt was watching to see how long the unit took to get there and then when they arrived on scene,zoomed in on them to watch their actions. So boys and girls, how can they deter crime, when they are being used to monitor us on the streets. be careful out there its not big brother watching us, its the meritorious white shirt... Yeah, those cameras are being used to deter crime my ass !!!

4/01/2010 01:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can I get an event number?

4/01/2010 01:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wish those cameras were "watching" last night when 015 went up for grabs....Stay safe out there brothers and sisters, for this summer is looking ominous....

4/01/2010 05:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

idiot "experts" the time ive been on this job, i have not heard of even ONE homicide solved by these stupid things. in 015. the second you put them up, the dope spot moves. the desk jockeys use them from dopw arrests, Thats it!! waste of money, spend it in much neede cars, rifle racks, training, nit this useless garbage.

4/01/2010 10:01:00 AM  
Blogger Shawn said...

CCTV boom has failed to slash crime, say police

The Guardian
6 May 2008

Massive investment in CCTV cameras to prevent crime in the UK has failed to have a significant impact, despite billions of pounds spent on the new technology, a senior police officer piloting a new database has warned. Only 3% of street robberies in London were solved using CCTV images, despite the fact that Britain has more security cameras than any other country in Europe.

4/01/2010 12:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fuck these liberal "think tanks"! Fuck every single one of them!!!

4/01/2010 01:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great perspective!!!

4/01/2010 02:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Was watching the show "gangland" on the history channel. It was an episode about the Four Corner Hustlers in Chicago. When interviewing several gangbangers it was stated on the show by a gangbanger Its the cops job to catch us and its our job to get away. Same banger then stated these "cameras dont stop crime we just move away from the camera to another location to sell dope or commit crimes. So media even the bangers on the westside know that these cameras are useless and not stopping crime. Go survey the bangers on the street for better answers next time.

4/01/2010 02:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The thugs are stupider in Garfield Park.

They think they are hurting someone but they are not hurting anyone but themselves selling drugs, throwing trash everywhere and yelling rape taunts and causing an epidemic of violent acts.

What pain could they have?

They cause pain, killing and robbing and acting like wild beasts.

4/01/2010 04:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
I ordered an 18th dist POD request - the beat car told me it was a Homeland Security Camera - so I suppose it was bought w/ federal $$$

anyway, it was one w/out all the flashing lights - just a little camera up there - and for what it is worth, it was stuck in one spot the entire time. I am not sure if it is supposed to move around, but I am guessing it should ....what do I know ... useless ... and the fact that no one even knows it is up there negates the prized "deterrent effect." SO it is useless on 2 counts. Good night.

3/31/2010 11:37:00 PM

The cameras in 018 were real good for Commander Steve Georges to watch PO's on CHA Special Employment, from his home, so he could tell them to move 10 feet left or right. No shit, he would call on the radio to move his troops around, front of 1230 Burling or the back etc. On his own time.

So the cameras are good for something. They provide jobs.

4/01/2010 07:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

the cameras really are a joke..they can "study" the cameras until forever...the cameras are useless, plain and simple....

4/01/2010 11:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cameras! That's the ticket, inbred banjo pussy punk.

Who the fuck do you think you're bullshitting?

You're phonier than a $3 bill, lying coward Weis.

4/02/2010 10:39:00 PM  

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