Are These For Real?
Or is someone pulling our legs?
- Who thought of the new policy on processing females. Officer who lock up female offenders for city violations or misdemeanor offenses in districts that do not have female lock-ups must sit with the prisoner, until the prints clear. This will put officers down for hours. The department should be trying to get the officers back out to the streets.
And this one:
- SCC you are going to love this one. Area 3 has almost twenty retirees in the last two periods. So the "policy group" had a meeting with Peterson yesterday. They came to a conclusion , since no detectives are to be promoted anytime soon, that all Burglary, Robbery, Thefts, Batteries, etc. will be assigned to the affected beat. Thus, beat officers will be assigned follow up investigations at roll call. Holy Shit, we have now hit rock bottom!!
We also heard that the Detective Division is on 24/7 lockdown as far as overtime is concerned. No OT for any reason short of a police shooting and even then, gold stars have to be involved.
Everyone with an IQ above room temperature can skip this next paragraph...
Everyone with an IQ above room temperature can skip this next paragraph...
- We know we are going to get a couple of short bus readers claiming we're spreading rumors again. Listen up asshats - see the title up top? See the tag down below? See the "pulling our legs" line? That means we're asking for information to clear things up. Try to keep up here.
Back to our regularly scheduled mayhem.
Labels: from the comments, rumors
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
56 Comments:
If true, I hope they submit out of grade slips.
Good thing I don't lock up females.
That's great, put in a slip for out of grade!
>>SCC you are going to love this one. Area 3 has almost twenty retirees in the last two periods.<<
True
>>So the "policy group" had a meeting with Peterson yesterday.<<
Possibly True
>>They came to a conclusion , since no detectives are to be promoted anytime soon, that all Burglary, Robbery, Thefts, Batteries, etc. will be assigned to the affected beat. Thus, beat officers will be assigned follow up investigations at roll call. Holy Shit, we have now hit rock bottom!!<<
BULLSHIT!!! They would detail people in before they did that.
>>We also heard that the Detective Division is on 24/7 lockdown as far as overtime is concerned.<<
Monitored
>>No OT for any reason short of a police shooting<<
Wrong.
>>and even then, gold stars have to be involved.<<
At least one is involved anyway.
the part about processing the females is true except you don't have to wait for the prints to clear-----
Any Detective work ordered to be done by P.O.'s will be grounds for a lawsuit down the road for out of grade pay. Happened in the past and coppers won the case, but with the morons in charge these days nothing would surprise me.
What a surprise... these dummies wait till last minute as usual to come up with a plan for a problem that was obvious several months if not over a year ago. On this Department the words EXEMPT and INCOMPETENT have been synonymous for years.
I assume that the P/Os doing Detective work (Followups) will get paid Det. pay for their efforts!
Beat Officers doing Detective Work ? Question to FOP, "OUT OF GRADE PAY" to be given. ????
The people that write this crap Never were the police and don't have a clue what is involved in an arrest!
"the part about processing the females is true except you don't have to wait for the prints to clear-----" although if the prisoner clears while waiting for a transport then is bonds away and never seeing the lockup.
S-U-S-P-E-N-D-E-D.
NOW I FEEL LIKE A FULL FLEDGED DICK.
If true, I hope they submit out of grade slips.
Would be nice, but won't happen. If you follow the logic that our fearless leaders have shown us so far, if you are assigned a follow up, you'll be doing the job of a detective. And detectives can't get O.T.
BULLSHIT!!! They would detail people in before they did that.
That would be logical......in the real world. If you think that this is not possible, think back to not that long ago: P.O.'s that were given burglary calls were told that they now had to "canvass" the immediate area. Try and talk to neighbors to find out if they had seen anything at the date and time in question. Reports would be kicked back if the canvass info was not listed.
And what about the processing of females for city vio's or misdemeanors in districts without a female lockup? When they told us this gem at the last roll call, the Captain said that the arresting officers had to wait for a "reasonable time" for them to clear before they called for a transport to a female lock up.
He never "defined" what a reasonable time is.
I heard the same thing at a retirement party the other night from a few detectives and also from a couple at special the day before.Must be some truth to it.
I can move the X as well as any of them. Just give me a stack of reports and I will clear them up 1, 2, 3.
Out of grade baby, show me the money!
The new policy for females is a result of a certain alderwoman getting locked up for DUI driving at a fire scene. She had to wait for the transport and then be processed. She's special.
Of course patrol cops are smart enough to conduct investigations HOWEVER will the prosecutors see it that way when they get their crap clients off the hook because detectives did not do the investigation. I wonder.
Who thought of the new policy on processing females. Officer who lock up female offenders for city violations or misdemeanor offenses in districts that do not have female lock-ups must sit with the prisoner, until the prints clear. This will put officers down for hours. The department should be trying to get the officers back out to the streets.
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Reading comprehension is a skill that you do not master yet grasshopper.
Anonymous said...
The people that write this crap Never were the police and don't have a clue what is involved in an arrest!
4/04/2010 03:25:00 AM
I don't know these kids but it sure seems like this is true. I sure hope this department is not shallow enough to let these kids make policy simply because they sat through school and did the homework. A degree does not translate into intelligence. Actions do. We need intelligence to handle the operations of this department. The state of this department is beyond serious.
first the out of grade thing won"t work....remeber years back when deputy sup. Charlie Williams had patrol do follow up investigations for all the domestic's and had to write to from's....
Here’s what the policy says in a nutshell regarding female processing before everyone gets their panties in a wad:
After doing the arrest report, get it approved by the WC and take her in for prints and the mug. Finish the rest of the paper work, inventories, etc and prior to transporting her to the designated female holding facility, ask the desk sgt if she is clear or not.
If she is clear, she will be bonded
If she is not clear, she will be transported to the female holding facility.
OT - I heard the Policy Group is receiving a Department Commendation for the recently published Legal Handbook. The irony of this travesty - a former ASA wrote the darn handbook with no input from the Policy Group.
It looks like meritorious Sgt. picks are coming up soon. Is this an attempt to justify the upcoming promotions of the Policy Group? On paper a Department Commendation is a Department Commendation. This job is so legit, yeah right!
so now we go from "preliminary invertigator to final investigator". does that mean that i change from my uniform to dress shirt and tie?????? and do we have to get an event #???
Does anyone know how much time on the job the three female officers in the policy group have combined? somewhere around 30 years . . . and there's only three officers in the policy group according to the intranet.
where is the representation of male officers on the policy group?
sounds like a gender discrimination case maybe! where's jesse!
I can't wait to explain to the citizen. Here is your report. No there will be no follow up! Please try NOT to be a victim again!
I do not give too much credibility to the statement about having P.O.'s doing detective's work. PO's do not have the freedom of movement given to detectives. That is, dicks go all over the city and often out of the city to interview persons involved in a case. Beat Officers have to ask permission from a Sgt. just to leave their District and are "encourage to maintain beat integrity."
Also, investigative alerts are currently only issued in the detective division.
Additionally all the cases must be disposed of in the CLEAR system. As far as I am aware, Beat Officers do not have access to this system and have not been trained on how to use it.
Further, if you are going to do decent detective work, you want to run your victims, witnesses and possible offenders for backgrounds, warrants, etc. This can be become a time consuming desk job. Beat officers may not be allowed the down time to do this type of work.
And there are other aspects, such as line ups and photo arrays on which PO's who have not had the adequate training might stumble.
If the Department wants more detective work done, they should promote the deserving PO’s who are next in line on the list and have been waiting for years for their deserved promotion.
Not to give them any ideas, but in a pinch PO's can develop info on Sup Reports and forward them to the Det. Div. for detective follow up. That would save dicks some time in the field.
My question is, how are the twenty guys from A/3 going to know that they are retired?
I bet its the A/o's make sure that female lock up takes her. Less officers down on transports for the goofy tac team.
A) you lock up pooky'et at a location.
B) you take pookie'et to district station
C) you surf the web, talk about how your the real deal and finish paper
D) down another car for your bs to take her to the area.
How about the A/o's take her to the area instead of dogs downing themselves on senarios like such. Reason see point B. You can take her off the street to the staion but can't follow though? All you Ultimate tactical warriors can take her to the area yourself. Thats Ice cold common sence.
No stop on OT in the D unit as of yet. Area 4 is in trouble because they were way over for 2010 and the amount of crime didn't back up the expense.
That said, the vast, vast majority of OT is unnecessarily created by Felony Review.
Anita is trying to keep as many criminals on the street as she can, so she can get re-elected by her "base."
KB was behind the stupid idea of processing the females in the district of arrest, figures!
I-Bonds for all criminal activity!
Cook County Sheriff Tom Dart is shuttering the CCDOC.
Governor Quinn will release anyone placed in the IDOC.
What's the point anymore???
In area five we've had 31 leave in the past few years with no replacements and another 7 more going this year. How much work can you put into a case if you are getting 500-600 a year?
My son is a detective and he worked midnights last summer. Within the first week, he had 45 hours of OT dealing with all the shootings and murders. You might think that's nice in terms of pay, but his infant slept 12 hours a night at that time and he was rarely home when the baby was awake. It sucks.
So maybe they'll screw around with RBT -- because they can without the media noticing -- but I'm sure there will be tons of OT in the detective division this summer too because it doesn't look like there are going to be fewer shooting/murders this year.
we do have to wait for the prints to clear for the females... our w/c stated "for a reasonable time".... so we asked how long will we have to sit in the station on a feamle.... w/c stated for an hour or so..... bullshit....total bullshit
If we have the manpower that the city claims then WHY won't they promote Detectives and Sgt's? But they still keep promoting and moving exempts???
Too many retirements!
We need Dets and Sgts!!!
The language in the order is a little vague as to whether or not you have to sit with the females until their prints clear. Different watch commanders are interpreting it differently. The order never comes out and says to ship them to the female lockup for that district after you have them printed and pictured in your own district. It actually says wait a reasonable amount of time before shipping females.
Well, define reasonable. That is the problem with this order. People are interpreting it differently. One hour, two hours, all misdemeanors that are bondable?
It has been sent back up the food chain to patrol for clarification in the language.
Give me an event number and hold me down on a follow up investifgarons. 3 hrs later 19b and hold me down on lunch. If I have to do supps 5 hrs.
Gun found in back of 12th district squad car. Offender was being transported to 12 after getting caught with a gun. Do your job people. Veteran PO found gun in the morning. Check your prisoner's and check them again. Let's all GO HOME.
Sorry to say but female juv's have been processed this way for about 10yrs. We would have to wait for the lockup to be clear of male's on the floor sometimes for hours. Then have the female's printed and photo taken and then call for a youth officer. Down time could be many hours so why is this new?
Beat Officers doing Detective work in A/3? This not unusual or out of the ordinary. Have you seen or actually meet any of the, "you got nut-in kid" Detectives in A/3? How about the cowboy with two 6-shooters! Are you kidding me? No worries citizens your in good hand.
I'm just saying, right?
I also know that Beat cars from 019 and 020 District are also going to the Westside! It is bad enough to see rapid cars going there but the fucking beat cars like 1911 on the Westside!
Question for the taxpaying public for that beat!
Who is watching beat 1911 on the 3rd and 1st watches, if 1911 is detailed to Madison and Pulaski for a tour of duty?
Buehler? J-Fed? Anyone?
Then make a detectives class. The Police that studied hard to make it high on the list are just sitting around waiting. Over 2 and half years since the last class. a D1 pay is not much more than D2a pay. Since the last class three Sgts. classes made and two Lts. classes, so they can't be hurting that bad for money. Plus how many exempts made.
The nimber of females locked up for Bullshit Misd will drop 50% in Districts without female lockups. Nice way to reduce crime?
Reading comprehension is a skill that you do not master yet grasshopper.
You should read it again, it is open for interpretation on who sits with the female offender. Reading it I would say a female officer. However, the W.C. interprets it that the arresting officer does. Go bring a female arrest into 018 dist an argue it with their W.C. I bet you will sit, grasshopper.
I also know that Beat cars from 019 and 020 District are also going to the Westside! It is bad enough to see rapid cars going there but the fucking beat cars like 1911 on the Westside!
Question for the taxpaying public for that beat!
Who is watching beat 1911 on the 3rd and 1st watches, if 1911 is detailed to Madison and Pulaski for a tour of duty?
Buehler? J-Fed? Anyone?
4/04/2010 02:43:00 PM
i agree if you absolutely have to take someone from a district make it tact. i mean with all the nonsense units they still want to take from patrol. why not even take one tact car from all the slower districts then that district still has some tact/beat cars up and the ghetto gets extra po's. wait this makes to much sense sorry for wasting everyones time
Then make a detectives class. The Police that studied hard to make it high on the list are just sitting around waiting.
Think again those high on the list would be the dummy's. (test are not legit) HIGH ON THE LIST KISS MY????
Maybe somebody has been watching those damn TJ Hooker reruns regarding beat officers to do followups.
That is the problem with this order. People are interpreting it differently. One hour, two hours, all misdemeanors that are bondable?
It has been sent back up the food chain to patrol for clarification in the language.
4/04/2010 01:24:00 PM
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So, yet ANOTHER order that goes out in (inintentionally) preliminary form, gets rescinded and reissued.
I've been doing this a LONG time, through eight or nine superintendents, and I have NEVER seen this happen in such volume, with such frequency, and with such a lack of judgement.
Either our current superintendent is incompetent, or our current superintendent has chosen a bunch of incompetents to represent him in issuing so many erroneous, or illegal, or policy-violating, or contradictory/conflicting orders.
Either way, it's an embarrassment and it should stop.
Unless things have changed, once assigned to a follow up investigation, you have seven days to submit a report.
At the end of seven days it is also permitted to request an additional seven days to complete the investigation.
We never did that, we just had a lot of late jobs.
They want backlog, give them backlog.
Who thought of the new policy on processing females. Officer who lock up female offenders for city violations or misdemeanor offenses in districts that do not have female lock-ups must sit with the prisoner, until the prints clear. This will put officers down for hours. The department should be trying to get the officers back out to the streets.
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Reading comprehension is a skill that you do not master yet grasshopper.
4/04/2010 07:06:00 AM
Unfortunately the original poster is correct. I arrested a female today and had to sit and wait for her to clear and be i-bonded before we went out. Good thing we took lunch on the end.
Anonymous said...
Here’s what the policy says in a nutshell regarding female processing before everyone gets their panties in a wad:
After doing the arrest report, get it approved by the WC and take her in for prints and the mug. Finish the rest of the paper work, inventories, etc and prior to transporting her to the designated female holding facility, ask the desk sgt if she is clear or not.
If she is clear, she will be bonded
If she is not clear, she will be transported to the female holding facility.
THAT IS THE WAY IT SUPPOSE TO BE. Problem is that there are several different interpretation of the reasonable amount of time. Some W/C have interpreted the order as meaning that the arresting officers need to sit with the prisoner even when they have completed all their paper work and wait until she is clear and bonded out. Not allowing the officers to transport the female arrestee to the nearest holding facility. THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF ANOTHER ORDER ISSUED WITH OUT ANY THOUGHT.
Did anyone who wrote this order or approve it consider the following problems that have arose:
*Different interpretation of "REASONABLE"
*Vagueness of the order on what the steps are after the prisoner is printed and photo
*Prioritizing female arrestee over males can cause even more downtime as officers try to get their male prisoners into some of the already notoriously slow lock ups
*first time female arrestee will take longer to clear, it might take 6 hours plus, who is going to authorize overtime or have officers down in the stations that long
*late arrest, overtime to sit on prisoners waiting for clearance
*officers can process a female arrestee in 1 hour to 2 hours prior to this order are now adding an additional 1 to 3 hours onto the process, extending their downtime
*create more downtime in station when we need officers back on the streets
The problem with a lot of the rules and orders that have some from this administration is that it seems that opinions of the people it affects are never taken into before writing the order.
HATER said...
S-U-S-P-E-N-D-E-D.
NOW I FEEL LIKE A FULL FLEDGED DICK.
4/04/2010 05:21:00 AM
YEAH U DO!!!
No worries about leaving 1911 empty during the 3rd and 1st watch. Mostly anti-police do gooders anyway. So let them pay the $8,000.00 to $14,000.00 a year property taxes. They have insurance to cover their losses.
"Awe, look how cute i'll buy the street wise, see how nice he dances? honey, give him an extra dollar." typical couple from Michigan, GO BACK TO MICHIGAN!
any w/c who makes a PO wait for the female's prints to clear is wrong and stupid. Print and photo then transport. Some do clear in that time or in the time it takes to transport so the receiving station then bonds. The order came out weeks before it was to be implemented but nothing was explained-it was just sent to the w/c's.
I am a W/C and there will be NO female sitting in my station waiting to clear. Once they get the prints and photos she is in the wagon on the way to the area. Anybody making a working copper sit around waiting for prints to clear doesn't deserve the title or pay that comes with being a W/C. Period!
PS: COWARD and MASTERS, MASTERS, MASTERS!
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