Harvey Weapons Stolen
Nearly two dozen weapons, including high-powered assault rifles, were stolen from a shooting range belonging to south suburban Harvey police, prompting a statewide alert this week.
At least 21 weapons, which included handguns, MP5 and AR-15 assault rifles, were reported stolen from a trailer on the semi-wooded property of the shooting range at 153rd Street and Campbell Avenue about 9 a.m. Monday, according to Harvey police and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.
By Tuesday evening, mere hours after Cook County sheriff's officials agreed to join the probe on the sole condition that their investigation be independent of Harvey police's, sheriff's officials had pulled out of the investigation, claiming that Harvey officials weren't cooperating, a spokesman said.
Sheriff Tom Dart has been critical of Harvey's internal operations and his department was part of a task force that raided Harvey's police station in January 2007, seizing evidence from unsolved crimes. Investigators from state police and the state's attorney's office subsequently filed murder and attempted murder charges using the seized evidence.
Law enforcement sources said the shooting range wasn't a secure facility and isn't equipped for storing weapons.
Whatever happened to the state-of-the-art range we were supposed to get years ago? While it's amusing that a major metropolitan police department had to go most of 2009 without an active range and the supposed rehab continues on numerous other ranges, it kind of crimps firearm training to have to use the Harvey gravel pit instead of a facility we would own.
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posted by SCC at 12:31 AM
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I think they were turned in during our weapon turn in!!!
2nd largest department. we need an outdoor range bad!!!
Okay, this begs the obvious question. We know when they were reported missing, but did they go missing before the Chicago gun buy-back? Are they actually in OUR custody at this very moment?
Um, except for the really good stuff, that is.
Our new range went the way of the new academy we were promised in 1990 by LeRoy P. Martin.
That place is a shithole and an embarrassment as are many of our facilities
We need a school campus (the old Brach's facility would be perfect) setting with out buildings, specialized training areas, including indoor and outdoor ranges, along with a Hogan's Alley.
Of course, we are the bastard children of city employees, we won't get shit.
actually scc, a spot is actually under construction for our outdoor range somewhere in 004 where the old steel mills were.. I saw the plans for it and it looks like it will be nice.... im sure it will fall apart after about 5 years but it looks nice at least...
what a bunch of retards. how can you leave a semi trailor full of weapons alone in the middle of a secluded place. let alone in the middle of harvey. fucking embarassing.
Harvey Police .... at least SOMEONE makes US look good ...
what a clown show
What will CPD do when the Harvey Police Range closes this June? There are no outdoor police ranges in the metropolitan area now. Where will shotgun and carbine training be done? Oh, I know, in the dungeon at Area 5.......
look at all the vacant land in 004 I heard that a range was proposed there. What is the hold up? Does someone in the Daley family have to buy the land first?
Given the fine department Harvey has, how much you want to bet it was an inside job??
Probably some inside job with the mayor on those weapons being stolen...
Ahh, the Shitty of Harvey PD - I love how people act surprised that officials aren't cooperating with their internal investigations. It's a wonder Mr. Graves didn't end up in a trunk somewhere for all the years of head-turning he did while the HPD crumbled.
Another part of this story that wasn't in the papers is that the Harvey range is slated to be shut down soon. That's the last range suitable for any sort of dynamic shooting training anywhere in Northern Illinois.
They should demolish the old Sears buildings in 011 and build a state of the art training center for academy recruits, emergency vehicle operations, firearms range etc... but that would make too much sence.
Inside job
CPD's lack of firearm training is not just negligent, but criminal. The department is just asking for massive title 1983 lawsuits in the event of a bad shoot. "Failure to train" is clearly spelled out in past 1983 case law.
harvey has a dark cloud over it. only a federal take over can clean up the mess.ooppps. who am i kidding!
Many years ago, we were supposed to get a multi-purpose indoor range
paid for by the feds at the airport, downtown couldn't decide if they should take it, because, even though it was free, the airport detail would be resonsible for it, not training division. So some petty bosses jelousy caused us to loose a multi-millions dollar pistol/rifle range.
The Harvey PD should go the way of the Ford Heights PD.
I want a Heckler & Koch MP-5 Kurz for my birthday. I can conceal it on a sling beneath my trenchcoat. Definitely my favorite full automatic assault weapon, hands down.
The only good thing to ever happen in Harvey is the mall chase scene from Blues Brothers. The new Oldsmobiles are in early this year.
Sitting on juve court.... judge carl walker just fist pounded a gang member in open court, that was caght with a handgun
No matter what, remember that there are good officers who work in the Harvey Police Department. Just like there are good officers who work in the Chicago Police Department. Don't let the actions of a few bad apples taint the whole barrel.
****** 025 Flash********
Looks like there are major inquiries related to the car chase that started at 5400 West Belmont Avenue in Chicago, IL and ended at Munster, IN.
Yes, you read that right, a car chase from Chicago's Northwest side to the Northwest side of the state of Indiana. Officers lost radio transmission but continued the chase anyways. Great going geniuses.
Once again, just like the last car chase, no officers or innocent civilians were killed.
Isn't that where Eric Kellogg, the mayor, is now double dipping on salaries as the head of their school system, as well?
Maybe he is also the Police Chief, range master and owner of Harvey Gun Shop? Don't even try to tell me stuff in Harvey is legit. These mopes are crawling all over each other trying to steal as much as they can before the Fed's hammer falls!
Harvey is a joke,starts with the pos mayor.
ot, Arizona's governor says a new law allowing U.S. citizens to carry a concealed firearm in the state without a permit restores constitutional rights.
The law applies to U.S. citizens 21 and older.
The new law goes into effect 90 days after the Legislature adjourns, which could happen in the next couple of weeks, The Arizona Republic reports. It is already legal to carry a firearm openly in Arizona.
Arizona joined Alaska and Vermont in permitting concealed weapons without a permit.
"I believe strongly in the individual rights and responsibilities of a free society, and as governor I have pledged a solemn and important oath to protect and defend the Constitution," Gov. Jan Brewer, a Republican said in a written statement. "I believe this legislation not only protects the Second Amendment rights of Arizona citizens, but restores those rights as well
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We'll get a long gun range when we get a permanent driving instruction facility.
if you ask me i think harvey pd is up to no good again. people should investigate the harvey pd first and you might just find all or most of the weapons that is unless they already got rid of them
Did you ever hear....inside job? And O.T. but there are similiar weapons out here on the south side already. Automatic gunfire was heard by police in 003 and 005 the other day. God forbid another baby gets killed, let alone a police officer. Be safe out in the jungle my brothers and sisters.
W.T.F. they didn't have a safe place for these weapons in the station.
Maybe... instead of a range, the Chicago P.D. are going to have a new training program. Its called Chicago Police officers who stare at goats.
Sitting on juve court.... judge carl walker just fist pounded a gang member in open court, that was caght with a handgun
How long of an essay did the Juvy have to write about not having a loaded gun on him? 500 words?
Another part of this story that wasn't in the papers is that the Harvey range is slated to be shut down soon. That's the last range suitable for any sort of dynamic shooting training anywhere in Northern Illinois.
5/12/2010 07:52:00 AM
Are you kidding?? What about that beautiful range Dupage County has? Or how about that beautiful range at Great Lakes? The only place that doesn't or won't have a decent place to shoot is anywhere in crook county. How can these asshole politicians make lawsuit kickbacks if everybody knew how to shoot and shoot well??
Speaking of weapons, the old man that blew that banger away in University Park because the banger's dog pissed on his lawn...why am I not seeing what's wrong with that?
And then the freaking bail is astronomical, but yet these other bangers walk, get probation, case thrown out, file law suits and then win the ghetto lottery. But an old man pulls out a gun and wastes some useless punk who already has two kids, one on the way, probably doesn't support any of them and grandmama is taking care of them, this outrages the Judge?
I don't understand justice as it is metered out in the Chicagoland area. My only hope is that when this second amendment thing is worked out, there is a spike in this kind of retribution by law-abiding folks. God knows, the Mayor, States Atty's and the lawyers let these criminals own the streets, tie cops hands in terms of rounding up these pieces of shit or throwing them in jail. I'm sorry, but if the criminal justice system is not going to do it's job, they shouldn't be surprised when people are going to start taking matters into their own hand. I don't own a gun and I don't advocate killing anyone but there's a part of me that was initially cheering for this old man. Personally, I've been waiting for the pendulum to swing back for many years, but crime just seems to be getting worse.
Maybe it's me, but I really don't think I'm the only person who is thinking this way.
---not a cop
what a bunch of retards. how can you leave a semi trailor full of weapons alone in the middle of a secluded place. let alone in the middle of harvey. fucking embarassing.
5/12/2010 01:15:00 AM
Because you want the purchasing party to "pick them up."
"At least 21 weapons, which included handguns, MP5 and AR-15 assault rifles, were reported stolen."
A quick definitions primer here:
MP5 = Submachine Gun (not semi auto)
AR15 = semi automatic only rifle (unless converted to full auto, legally or illegally)
M16 or M4 = factory manufactured selective fire version of AR15.
And the most important one:
"Assault Rifle"= by definition selective fire, semi/full auto.
If it can't fire fully automatic, it is by definition not an assaut rifle, no matter what it looks like. For example, an AR15 is a semiautomatic rifle, not an assault rifle.
So, being that MP5 are SMG's, that headline might more truthfully read "Police owned submachine guns and semiautomatic rifles stolen".
Just saying... ;-)
Like an outdoor range is a high priority to this city. Hell you look at some of the suburbs and their equipment available to them. We are lucky to have a PDT that's in range and a spare tire that isn't flat. If it was up to Shortsahnks, the radios would be gone and we'd go back to call boxes and the call box key. I'm surprised Dicky isn't buying used cars from other police departments instead of new cars. Blog 501 is just a bunch of bullshit. you ask a question and either you get everything but an answer or J-fled will pass it on. He passes it on to the garbage can. Sheriff Andy in Mayberry has a more up to date Department than ours. This fucking Department was somewhat moving forward years ago, but like a drunk we take 2 steps backward for every step forward. Anybody who thinks this department is in the 21st century and J-Fled is a great leader is a fucking moron who needs to be on meds to get back in touch with reality. I used to love coming to work, not I dread it and it is just a fucking job. I should have become a fireman.
What a joke the harvey thug policzee surely had something to do with it! Harvey is a cesspool of shit much like shitcago, will j-fed ask his fbi pals to take a look over there?
WWJFD ??????????
rumor mill has it that the Navy CBs were going to build bern as one of their training evolutions, so it would have been done for free. The city/department would have to supply the materials. Supposedly the arrangement was cancelled because it had to be put up for bid.
At least Harvey has a outdoor range and is nice enough to let our ungrateful asses use it.
Speaking of ranges, when is that new portable range that the Sup was talking about on his blog going to start making the rounds??
actually scc, a spot is actually under construction for our outdoor range somewhere in 004 where the old steel mills were.. I saw the plans for it and it looks like it will be nice.... im sure it will fall apart after about 5 years but it looks nice at least...
Thanks KB I'm working on getting it done then you can use it as well for your WTA, your gonna be the best tactical weapon instructor in narcotics.
your BFF Ray Ray
"[Harvey] is a joke,starts with the pos mayor."
Insert "Chicago" here.
most of the stolen weapons have been recovered in a heavily-wooded area nearby.
To Charles Bronson, 3:50 PM.
Aren't the people who stare at goats members of that minor league baseball team on Chicago's north side?
Many years ago, we were supposed to get a multi-purpose indoor range
paid for by the feds at the airport, downtown couldn't decide if they should take it, because, even though it was free, the airport detail would be resonsible for it, not training division. So some petty bosses jelousy caused us to loose a multi-millions dollar pistol/rifle range.
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IIRC, part of the issue was that there is a federal law requiring ranges constructed with federal money be made available for public use. It's unclear if that law would have appiled, but it may have in this case. I suspect the powers that be did not want the riff raff using their range.
They would rather have no range than a range they have to allow public access to.
At least Harvey has a outdoor range and is nice enough to let our ungrateful asses use it.
5/12/2010 06:42:00 PM
Ok, Mayor Kellogg
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