Gun "Rules" Begin Today
And should fall after court challenges. Some highlights from ABC 7:
- Chicago's new gun ordinance goes into effect Monday, allowing residents to have handguns in their homes.
"...allowing residents"? The City cannot "allow" what is an inalienable Right enshrined in the Constitution. This "allowing" bullshit is the media, once again, catering to an egomaniac who is attempting to circumvent citizens rights.
- The new ordinance has a number of strict requirements. It will require training before residents apply for a city firearms permit that will cost $125. Only one gun a month per adult may be registered, and owners must have no violent crime or DUI convictions in their history.
$125? That seems certain to be struck down at some point. Charging an exorbitant fee for a Constitutionally guaranteed right? The "registering one gun a month" provision is in effect criminalizing people who are able to buy multiple weapons at a time. It appears the City is attempting to create their own "bottleneck" at the registration step and the Courts may look upon that as a bad faith effort on the City's part - kind of like when they negotiate a contract.
A spokesperson for the city of Chicago said the Chicago Police Department is still hammering out the specifics on the training requirements and regulations needed to get a city gun permit.
Sources say that should be completed by Sunday for Monday, when Chicago's new handgun ordinance goes into effect.
We sense a lot of problems on this end.
Labels: gun issues
posted by SCC at 12:02 AM
64 Comments:
The DUI thing is interesting...
The "NO" bar is usually set at "felony, period". Obviously, there is some trickiness involving domestic violence convictions and active restraining orders as it pertains to gun ownership and buying... I don't profess to know much about that...
But denying someone the right to defend their home because of a past DUI? We're not talking about habitual offenders or falling-down drunkards here. Lots of average Janes and Joes made that mistake before, paid whatever price the courts said and have since moved on, having learned well from their mistake. Is Chicago seriously going to deny handgun permits over a past DUI?
Don't worry, J-Fled's think-tank Policy Group, along with the Women's Tactical Association (wait, are they in the same?) has this whole thing covered. They're Law Students and Coppers! Wow!
i guess shit birds shouldnt be worried about getting one since they said no convictions and it seems now a days no one is getting convicted in crook county
Fuckin' daley see's money in everything that happens in Shanksville !
When can we practice? I mean the police? is a cpd range open?
Getting the Old Man a Sig and Younger Sister a Ruger 380. and will pay for the registration fee with my 2% as soon as it kicks in just for S*&#'s and giggles.We can split range fee's three ways.Keyword...Eliminate the threat!! Guess Im giving Da Mayor back his 2% in fee's.I cant always run to parents house in case something happens.So have at it with the fee's Mr. Mayor.No Problem,My peace of mind is worth it!!
I hope the lawsuits are filed the same day.
Any connoisseur of quintessential American comedic culture has seen the film Animal House and is intimately familiar with the exploits of Delta Tau Chi House at Faber College. As the, “worst house on campus,” the fraternity is an assortment of slackers, misfits and childish sorts more interested in debauchery and partying than learning. Because of this the Deltas run afoul of the College administration time and again and are expelled.
This leads up to a climatic, impassioned but ultimately ignorant speech by John “Bluto” Blutarsky in which he tries to rally the Deltas to go out with a bang. During that speech is when he utters the iconic phrase of stupidity, which sums up so neatly why the Deltas were being expelled, “Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!” Bluto then charges out of the Fraternity House and half-heartedly the rest of the members eventually follow. They then proceed to wreak havoc during the College’s annual homecoming parade destroying property and committing mischief.
This scene resembles remarkably well the way liberals act in real life and nothing illustrates this better than the recent case of McDonald v. Chicago where the onerous gun ban imposed by the City of Chicago was successfully challenged and struck down by the United States Supreme Court. The reason the city of Chicago lost the case is obvious to anyone more interested in the truth and who has not spent their time seeking out in debauchery while partying on the tax payer’s dime. Mayor Richard Daley however is not such a person.
The City of Chicago lost the case because despite years liberals who are unkind to liberty trying desperately to rewrite the meaning of the Second Amendment to our Federal Constitution into some non-individual right and only a right of the state they were unsuccessful. In defiance of the case’s outcome Mayor Richard “Bluto” Daley essentially stood up and made his own ignorant proclamation that this was not over. He has promised a new gun law which will be, by his own admission, a burdensome mishmash regulations designed to allow gun ownership but only after applicants have jumped though a myriad of hoops and paid some hefty fees to the coffers. What he will ultimately try to establish is a way to skirt the rights and privileges of Chicago residents by allowing them to technically own guns but to make doing so so difficult that so that few, if any, will be able to meet all the requirements he will set forth.
This is not unusual for the political left to act this way. Their entire philosophy is that anything they want, regardless of its legitimacy, will be the law and if they don’t get their way it will be Hell on Earth until they get it.
"It will require training before residents apply for a city firearms permit that will cost $125."
Who is to train whom where? Retired CPD still has to go to Will County to get their HR218 card.
Some training, a couple of evenings at a City College to teach basic safety, rules of engagement and don't shoot just because somebody pissed you off would be a good thing.
Will they next require that they be registered Democrats. Daley was even hinky about the fact that there were shooting events in the 'Limpics he wanted soooo bad.
I wonder if these are still there. At the Area Detective Headquarters, they use to have standard eye test charts hanging up on the walls. This was to test anyone who wanted to register a gun who didn't have a drivers license to prove they could see to shoot. Just curious, anyone know?
wwI wish someone would explain why the alder-farts prohibited laser sights. I suppose it's to protect the 1st responders? If Hizzhoner really wants to cut down on random crime, shouldn't they issue crimson trace to the bangers? Then maybe they'd kill each other.
Sounds like the perfect candidate for privatization?
Training course? Maybe $400, + the $125 registration fee.
I'm sure the revrunds can find a worth contractor, like the Black Panthers?
Sorry Daley, your new gun laws are a big yawn and nothing at the Tackleberry residence where I have been breaking your stupid guns laws for more than 20 years. At my house, when seconds matter and the police are 20-30 minutes away (through no fault of their own), I am the security. I will arm it with what I see fit in an array of lethal and non-lethal weapons, develop tactical defensive and offensive positions within my home and property and deploy what is necessary when needed. I practice at suburban ranges both indoor and outdoor to maintain my profecincey (especially with my rifle)
and I have no need for crummy corrupt politicans telling me how I should live my life in violation of my constitutional protections from corrupt government.
Where are we going to practice long guns now that Harvey's range is closing?
The city should make that a side job for off duty range guys and coppers who are NRA or ISRA qualified. The citizens should be given free training. The citizens should be able to use our outdoor police range (wishful thinking) whenever we aren't using it for a fee. Now thats CAPS in action.
Let Shore, Ray O'Herron, and some other local shops put up some advertising and such. Make it a quasi-government facility.
Ignore Daley's b/s. Who is going to enforce them? Not us.
WTF is this DUI clause? What's next, people with bad credit? Deadbeat dads?
Any idea when the Vanecko Firearms Training School will be opening?
"specifics on the training requirements and regulations needed to get a city gun permit."
Does this mean that retired Police Officers can now qualify for "Concealed Carry" at a Chicago Police facility instead of a State Police facility? Or will mumbles still disregard Federal law as he sees fit. Vote Republican, it may not be the best choice, but we have to send a message.
What a joke, just try to apply for a city firearms permit today, the guys at the gun registration section will tell you to go pack sand and get lost. They don’t even have an application form for someone to fill out.
What is next from Daley, a permit to exercise free speech ? A permit to get due process maybe ?
I could be wrong but did anyone notice that new ordinance saying about the police getting free permits ? I didn’t see that so maybe everyone should get ready to pony up the cash.
Ah yes, training requirements?!?!?!!!!!!
The department can't even qualify officers in the M-4 program as prescribed in their general order!!!!
Will someone PLEASE adjust the midgets' medicine dosage?
My God! This egomaniac has got to go. Being Mayor is one thing, but he definitely has a GOD complex.
Rule of law? There is no such thing in Chicago. If Daley doesn't like it, it's either ignored or tossed.
Anyone remember Meigs Field? On March 31, 2003 he had a PRIVATE company go in and gouge X's on the runway, thus stranding several aircraft that were parked on the field. Why did he do this? He claimed that with the airport closed, it would make the city safer from any terrorist attacks.
However, it seems like Shortshanks did not do his home work. When Meigs was open, the downtown area was within it's class D air space. A class D air space requires two-way radio communication with the airport tower. Now, with the airport gone, the downtown area air space is classified as E/G. This means that any airplane can LEGALLY fly as close as 1,000 ft. from these buildings with no radio communication at all.
Add to that the $33,000 fine imposed by the FAA for closing the field without the required 30 day notice and the city having to pay back the $1 million in misappropriated FAA Airport Improvement Program funds that it used to destroy the airfield and build the Northerly Island park.
Gee, I don't remember that second part being reported on in the local media.
Can we apply this same logic to another right - VOTING? Require the electorate to pay an annual fee, plus a fee each time one votes; require each person voting to take a 4-hour civics test; allow person to vote only once/election. Sounds reasonable to me.
What is going on with carbine a - b course qualification? they are no longer available on in-service training? If we have to do it quarterly it would be in the best intrest of the department to have it available to the officers.
Posted on June 23, 2010 at 02:16 PM CDT #
Superintendent's Response
All good questions. I will secure an answer for you in the near future. Thank you. JW
Posted on July 11, 2010 at 01:38 PM CDT #
Translation = clueless!!!!
As long as a citizen holds a valid Illinois FOID card, the arrogant emperor Daley is out of order and acting against the will of law abiding citizens.
The very reason for the 2nd Amendment is to protect good citizens against tyrants and violent criminals.
just register it in another city?
if ur family member is caught the charges will be dropped if the foid and registration are in order from another city.
WHAT DALEY CRONIE WILL BE BENEFITING FROM THE "MANDATORY TRAINING COARSE?"
That DUI bit will cost the city millions in legal fees. Just my guess.
You dummies can't read between the line Or the fine print.
The reason for the DUI part is simple. Off duty Po gets a 501, and now ( no gun, no job ) its that easy for the rat squad to dick US.
Remember to watch your backs and take care of your family because the city just threw ALL OF US under the bus big time !!
WESTSIDE BLUESHIRT
I see all the gang bangers lining up to register their handguns. Wake up Mr. Mayor-the money you are blowing on this lost endeavor can be used for equipment for your police officers or repairs for their facilities. Throw your officers a bone already!
Oh hey look more rules for me to completely ignore.
Sorry, not paying a fee or jumping through any other hoops other than what I've already done for my FOID.
Who is to train whom where?
---just another fee you will have to pay to attend training. Ranges are banned in the city, so you will have to go to the burbs & you know the classes are not free! Add that to the registration & permit fees and cost of the FOID Card. How much is it going to cost Joe Citizen to be able to get a gun ?????
I am NOT registered, nor will I!!! EVER! My rights will not be infringed! Don't tread on me!
2nd Amendment started over 200 years ago.
Seriously? You're a cop and you want more guns in the hands of citizens? I don't think you've thought this through.
(OT) Now michele obama is starting shit calling tea party people racists at the bullshit naacp convention! Nothing like stoking the flame michele stfu thank you! How about talking about all the hevy cash you and barry ripped off from the uofI hospital with you no show job? http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/naacp-tea-party-civil-rights-group-considers-resolution/story?id=11144640
What a load of B.S.
Daley and the 50 euenchs pass more laws to keep law abiding citizens from protecting themselves while they do absoluetly NOTHING, N-O-T-H-I-N-G to address the rampant increase in criminal activity in this city.
More laws aimed at people that follow the law isn't going to reduce crime in Chicago.
Buck Naked
(not a cop)
We can't even find time or money to train department members. How the fuck are we going to train civilians?
UNREAL!
http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/07/chicagos-new-gun-law-goes-into-effect-today.html
"Our big thing is knowing who has weapons," Chicago Police Supt. Jody Weis. "Believe it or not, we are trying to make it as easy as possible for people to register their weapon."
gee, didn't see anything in the SCOTUS decisions about '...knowing who has weapons...', other than knowing that every citizen has the right to 'keep and bear arms'.
wonder who's this 'our' weissy is talking about.
Just another set of shitcago ordinances I'll ignore.
I love it. The ordinance is in effect today, but nobody knows nothing, no forms or answers are available. So do this mean my handgun is now legal. Or if it is not,there is no legal way to conform to the citys laws(no forms). Can someone collect damages because of this. The 50 fools have let Daley drag them into possibly a very expensive set of mistakes.
Jessy Jackoff is at it again...race baitng, etc.
Hey jj, go hold father gamers coat, he has s sermon to give.
"Seriously? You're a cop and you want more guns in the hands of citizens? I don't think you've thought this through.
7/12/2010 01:51:00 PM"
you are correct, you don't think.
Anonymous said...
Seriously? You're a cop and you want more guns in the hands of citizens? I don't think you've thought this through.
7/12/2010 01:51:00 PM
You are ASSuming that guns cause crime asshole. Use your head to make decisions, not the bullshit you hear on TV. Inanimate objects cannot cause crime, and it's a good thing when people can defend themselves.
Are you contending that it's better to be a victim than to defend oneself? That is, that one has a right to die or be seriously injured, raped, or otherwise terrorized because our local illegitimate government says so.
Yes, I want any citizen who wants to have a firearm in their home and is not a felon who be able to legally purchase and keep a firearm.And yes, I am a retired cop and I have thought this through. It is the constitution. Other cities and towns do not ban handguns and even allow citizens to carry concealed on the public way, and lo and behold, the horror stories of the liberals never came to pass! I predict that the new city ordinance will also be struck down by the courts. This is why I joined the NRA and the State Rifle Association, not because I own a lot of guns and like to hunt or shoot, but to protect our constitution from the liberals.One thing Daley said is correct, we need common sense gun laws and common sense tells me thios new oridinance will never fly!!
I would suggest for officers not to be quick in arresting anyone who is in possession of a handgun on their own property (garage/backyard/roof etc .) Daley and his screwy ideas could land you in the shitbag. An Officer does not have to enforce an UN-lawful law, like one that is against the United States Constitution as ruled by the Supreme Court several weeks ago. If a supervisor orders you to arrest someone for a questionable incident put it into the narrative of the arrest report.
Anonymous said...
Seriously? You're a cop and you want more guns in the hands of citizens? I don't think you've thought this through.
7/12/2010 01:51:00 PM
Seriously! You are obviously a liberal with a distorted view of reality.
Ignore the whole thing. Get your guns from out of state or from a Downstate dealer. Get an Illinois gun-owners card if you must; most downstaters don't. The gun dealers downstate know their customers and ignore it. Downstate people have plenty of guns -- I know; I grew up there and know lots of people down there who consider all the gun laws in Illinois to be a tiresome joke. Get your guns, keep them, use them if necessary, and ignore anything that the Shitty of Shitcago has to say about it. When a million Chicago people do that, the law will fail. It's obvious, because the criminals all have guns now, despite the now-invalidated ban.
I'll stay here in another state where I have guns with no registration or permission necessary, and criminals have to wonder if breaking into my home will end in their deaths. Yes, there is a permit to carry law, but most people ignore that, too.
The city should require the citizens of Chicago to qualify at any of the five Areas since most of them are walking around the stations and parking lots already.
So lets tally this up;
Handgun- $300-1,000
Permit- $100
Registration- $25 per gun
Training- $????
FOID card- $10
And you haven't even bought ammo yet. Guess some people won't be able to afford their constitutional right to bear arms.
The fee to register 1-3 (I think) guns is $25. However, if you are only allowed to register one at a time then you will have to pay $25 each time. Nice little revenue grabber by the mayor.
Anonymous said...
...You're a cop and you want more guns in the hands of citizens?...
7/12/2010 01:51:00 PM
Yes, that is correct; thank you for your participation
Back to court not acceptable.......
Also do away with the gun card no other state needs it so we don't.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Any connoisseur of quintessential American comedic culture has seen the film Animal House and is intimately familiar with the exploits of Delta Tau Chi House at Faber College. As the, “worst house on campus,” the fraternity is an assortment of slackers, misfits and childish sorts more interested in debauchery and partying than learning. Because of this the Deltas run afoul of the College administration time and again and are expelled.
This leads up to a climatic, impassioned but ultimately ignorant speech by John “Bluto” Blutarsky in which he tries to rally the Deltas to go out with a bang. During that speech is when he utters the iconic phrase of stupidity, which sums up so neatly why the Deltas were being expelled, “Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!” Bluto then charges out of the Fraternity House and half-heartedly the rest of the members eventually follow. They then proceed to wreak havoc during the College’s annual homecoming parade destroying property and committing mischief.
This scene resembles remarkably well the way liberals act in real life and nothing illustrates this better than the recent case of McDonald v. Chicago where the onerous gun ban imposed by the City of Chicago was successfully challenged and struck down by the United States Supreme Court. The reason the city of Chicago lost the case is obvious to anyone more interested in the truth and who has not spent their time seeking out in debauchery while partying on the tax payer’s dime. Mayor Richard Daley however is not such a person.
The City of Chicago lost the case because despite years liberals who are unkind to liberty trying desperately to rewrite the meaning of the Second Amendment to our Federal Constitution into some non-individual right and only a right of the state they were unsuccessful. In defiance of the case’s outcome Mayor Richard “Bluto” Daley essentially stood up and made his own ignorant proclamation that this was not over. He has promised a new gun law which will be, by his own admission, a burdensome mishmash regulations designed to allow gun ownership but only after applicants have jumped though a myriad of hoops and paid some hefty fees to the coffers. What he will ultimately try to establish is a way to skirt the rights and privileges of Chicago residents by allowing them to technically own guns but to make doing so so difficult that so that few, if any, will be able to meet all the requirements he will set forth.
This is not unusual for the political left to act this way. Their entire philosophy is that anything they want, regardless of its legitimacy, will be the law and if they don’t get their way it will be Hell on Earth until they get it.
7/12/2010 03:08:00 AM
Although I appreciate your analogy, I must unequivocally tell you that you are wrong.
Fuck Chicago's history of Civil Rights violations in accord with the 2nd Amendment. Do NOT comply with any of the DicKtator's Edicts, NEVER register your guns, NEVER give the City of Chicago a dime that you don't have to.
If you have to use you handgun do it, then worry. This is nothing more than a Municipal Ordinance Violation, ZERO.
If you are justified, they won't and CAN'T prosecute for that. The masses won't allow it and it is UNCONSTITUTIONAL too.
Trust me, this is just to intimidate the SHEEPLE into forsaking a constitutional right.
God Bless America!!!
Hey, I'm a banger and I have a dui conviction and a couple of felony convictions. Nothing serious, just a couple of armed robberies and an involuntary manslaughter. Does this mean that I won't be able to buy a gun?
If so, this is not fair and I think that I will contact jesse jerk and father phucker and we'll see about this.
You can't have it in your garage, or back yard? What if the garage is attached to your house? I think the back yard is your property so is your front porch. I wounder if they know how really ridiculous they sound saying these things. Why hasn't the the news media reported more about this "Black Panther" B.S. not only them but the Weather Man Factor, Bill Ayers, they said the same thing about killing babies etc. And the connection with the DOJ. Sorry I am rambling, but you better believe I will be armed, well armed.
It is the duty of all good men & women to *defy* unjust laws. So, I will.
Tonight when I take my dog for a walk (Ukranian Village), there will be a very small .380 on my hip. No cop in the entire city will even give me a second glance (because I'm not a criminal).
SCC - keep doing what you're doing. Great job.
Ok, sooooo, where does a houswife get certified?
My spouse HAS to own a gun for his work purposes, so will that be considered one functioning weapon per household at 10:00 PM, while I am home alone, and he is working??
Anonymous said...
So lets tally this up;
Handgun- $300-1,000
Permit- $100
Registration- $25 per gun
Training- $????
FOID card- $10
And you haven't even bought ammo yet. Guess some people won't be able to afford their constitutional right to bear arms.
7/12/2010 10:18:00 PM
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Being able to defend yourself against some shithead who broke into your house while you're sleeping- PRICELESS!
buy the handgun and don't register anything , city cannot even enforce unlicensed vendors , right in front of them on 26thst
they can never enforce a handgun registration ordinance
if you shoot someone in your house then worry about it
did that jag that shot his brother 4 years ago on the 4th of july and now killed one of chicago's finest get prosecuted for failure to register . of course not , 21 prior arrests and still on the street . don't pay any registration fees
only the hard working people are forced to pay , no the gang banging dope dealers
I hope this leads to a 'carry and conceal law' like in other normal states in this country!
"At the Area Detective Headquarters, they used to have standard eye test charts hanging up on the walls. This was to test anyone who wanted to register a gun who didn't have a driver's license to prove they could see to shoot."
Yes, only at the area HQs, not at the districts -- which, of course, could make for time off work and a long bus ride "for someone without a driver's license."
All part and parcel of a carefully-designed series of hurdles which began in trying to get registration forms from officers who claimed that the station was "out of them," continued in a search for a place to get acceptable photographs taken and trips to currency exchanges for money orders and notarizations (from the prying, wisecracking smartass safe behind his heavy glass) and ended when a re-registration was missed, making the weapon permanently unregisterable and illegal despite the citizen's best efforts and intentions.
As 7/12/2010 03:42:00 AM just said, "allowing them to technically own guns but to make doing so so difficult that so that few, if any, will be able to meet all the requirements he will set forth."
In the meantime, any vicious, eyelid-drooping, IQ 59 defective who wants a gun has learned that you can just grab one from a distracted policeman -- one who's injured and helpless after an auto accident, say, or some poor bastard struggling to change clothes in his car because the city's too thoughtless to provide a locker like every school kid has.
There is a lesson here somewhere -- and I really hate to think what it is.
"When Meigs was open, the downtown area was within it's class D air space. A class D air space requires two-way radio communication with the airport tower. Now, with the airport gone, the downtown area air space is classified as E/G. This means that any airplane can LEGALLY fly as close as 1,000 ft. from these buildings with no radio communication at all."
--7/12/2010 08:58:00 AM
Gaa. Ah ha.
Ha.
Does the Mayor know this?
Even better -- it's obvious that there was no one in the entire city government with the backbone to tell him that he would be WORSENING the situation.
The Beech wavers, then steadies on its course, the turbochargers wailing as the pilot -- impassive behind his sunglasses -- pushes the throttles all the way forward. On and on he comes, every rivet and scratch on the plane becoming sharply visible...
Sweet dreams, Mr. Mayor.
"Yes, I want any citizen who wants to have a firearm in their home and is not a felon who be able to legally purchase and keep a firearm. And yes, I am a retired cop and I have thought this through."
--7/12/2010 05:54:00 PM
Time for us to think, too, what a "felony" really is -- any offense technically punishable by 365 days or more imprisonment.
That's painting with an awfully broad brush, considering that this is the new, fearful/aggressive America, where everybody is screaming for somebody to do something about anything but the actual problem.
Some suburban kids in a passing car nailed a roadside police radar speed-display trailer with a watermelon. Felony!
This concept of eternal damnation, even for a first offense, with no "fresh start" to be found in any of the fifty states -- let alone over in the next town, like it used to be -- is really pretty modern, and reflects the underlying ineffectual hysteria of the miserable place this country has become.
I don't recall a judge ever reading off the multiple life sentences that come with a "felony" conviction -- life without a gun, life without a job, life without a place to live, life without ever being trusted or believed again, life in the shadows -- but they should be made to do so.
"Truth in sentencing," as it were.
$125 for a constitutional right? I wonder how these liberals would feel if there was a poll tax? I guess they'd be fine with it as long as it was for conservatives only. How about a license and registration fee for that free speech? How about a registration fee for that abortion that is no where mentioned as a right in either the Bill of Rights or the Constitution? These socialist, communist, liberal Nazis, yes, I said liberal Nazi, the Nazis were a socialist, left leaning group, would be cackling to the high heavens about that one.
But, you know, guns kill people. Just like your spoon kills your fat ass from eating too much
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