No College?
Rumor sweeping the e-mails that one of the "merit" picks doesn't have the college to be promoted.
Does anyone have any idea how to go about verifying college transcripts? Personnel used to collect them and keep them on file, but is there any way to independently verify this info? Does the FOP keep a mirror record?
We wouldn't even know where to begin on this, and we're sure that's how Shortshanks and those in power would prefer it to be. Anyone have any ideas?
Does anyone have any idea how to go about verifying college transcripts? Personnel used to collect them and keep them on file, but is there any way to independently verify this info? Does the FOP keep a mirror record?
We wouldn't even know where to begin on this, and we're sure that's how Shortshanks and those in power would prefer it to be. Anyone have any ideas?
Labels: promotions
posted by SCC at 12:02 AM
61 Comments:
That makes for a hefty lawsuit!!!
I was denied a merit promotion, there is no merit process besides who you know and I have the qualifications as well as being on the list and currently close.
C'mon, there are probably bosses that never took the entrance test on the job!
I don't have any college but I stayed at a "HOLIDAY INN EXSPRESS" last night!
law suit by a "victimized" officer- revealed via subpeona? or CR investigation? inspector generals office? media? just brain storming.
Hey, they will make up a degree or come up with some asinine internet degree to ensure that their merit pick will be made. It has happened before for a particular CPD captain who was looking at losing those precious collar bars because of the lack of college - right, JD?
Official college records may only be released with the (former) student's permission. This permission should have been granted and used by the department to verify his/her academic credentials during the background check process.
Google FERPA for da law.
Do a FOIA on the person in question, for his personnel records, it will tell the tale.
I personally don't care if one of them doesn't have college, they should allow everyone to be promoted if they pass the exam, and have a tiered pay scale, with people with degrees getting paid more in each rank than their counterparts without..
Will it matter anyway
Tracy Ladner has the official records. File a FOIA request to see the number of credits. The department verifies the transcript and enters the number of hours in the employees personnel record.
Alternately, someone get a CR on the person for not having the required college, false police report etc.
Under FERPA, any college or university will be able to verify a degree and dates of attendance.
The old saying is:
"I know how you got promoted, but how did you get on the job?"
LOL then F this place why do I even try. This job is a joke
You have to contact FOP and make a complaint about this. The FOP needs to stand up and file a CR number with one of the FOP members as the complainant. IAD checks the records and it's done.
This would be huge if it is true. However, do not expect anything. Business as ususual.
Rumor has it my balls are huge
If this is true, then the FOP ( or SOMEONE) should get the names of all those merit promotions made SINCE the educational requirement was started and see if anyone else had it waived.
UN-FUCKING-BELIEVEABLE... PLEASE STOP THIS F'ING RIDE, I HAVE TO GET OFF.
Sun-Times 8/30/2010 TECH WHIZ - Now has designed system that could predict crime locations.
"I thought, When I am done with OpenTable, maybe it's time to do my duty" That time came for Goldstein in 2006. He had already passed the Chicago Police Department's entrance exam, struggled through the rigors of the training academy, then hit the streets as a rookie in the crime-ridden Harrison District on the West Side. After working in a beat car, Goldstein was moved to police headquarters, where the computer skills that he'd honed in the business world were quickly put to use
Things have worked out well for Goldstein. On Aug. 16, the 36-year-old cop was promoted to director of the department's new Predictive Analytics Group, a $150,000-a-year job that puts him in charge of an increasingly important part of police work: forecasting where and when crimes will occur throughout the city.
Nice picture, you fucking dork!
checkout Brett's expose in CST today. 9-11 afffected me so much that I joined the Marines wait thats too dangerous so I join the CPD and use my white collar skills to earn more $$$$ and avoid downsizing. WTF and he waves the US Flag too and uses the victims of Sept 11th. PO Pedro Medina should be an automatic commander then and every PO that has been to combat should be a sgt-Semper Fi
Colleges will release transcripts, however, you must have a release form signed by the student in order to obtain the transcript. I do this in background investigations. Without the release form, no transcripts are made available.
College? We don't need no stinking college.
Now do you understand the Sgt's federal lawsuit? Complete disclosure in promotions.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/2651492,CST-NWS-whizkid30.article
Bobby Roman and Sam Roti should be reuired to show their college diplomas!
That makes for a hefty lawsuit!!!
I was denied a merit promotion, there is no merit process besides who you know and I have the qualifications as well as being on the list and currently close.
8/30/2010 12:15:00 AM
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"I was denied a merit promotion"? It's people like you who turned this job to shit! Are you on the "Entitlement" bus, too?
Does Barber or Clown college count??
I verify degrees as a routine part of my job working for executive recruiters. Many colleges use a third-party online system to do this (studentclearinghouse.com). You will need the name of the college and the date of birth of the individual (the year of graduation/attendance is helpful, but not required). Most of the time a written consent is not needed. There is a charge for this service. The information they verify is the year of the degree/attendance info and the major course(s) of study. If the college is not listed on the Clearinghouse site, the college can be contacted directly (via the registrar) and almost always they will verify the degree over the phone, rarely asking for written consent of the student.
College is for sissys. Clout is for real men.
who cares, who wants to be a sgt anyway--- they can keep the 12 grand in extra pay--- sgt is the shittiest position on this job--- go to a district you know nothing about, work a watch you don't want to work, get a furlo you don't want, ride 99 the rest of your career( you drive everyday), and babysit whatever screwballs end up on your log--- no thanks, i'll keep the blue shirt....
I can only imagine the excuses being formulated by the Brasshole who sponsored this pathetic bastard. And knowing those in the brain trust in the upper-echelon of the CPD, I wouldn't be surprised to hear this one as justification for meriting some brainless jackass to sergeant...
"He's been on the job a long time and knows his stuff, but he just doesn't go to school well".
I recall once taking a report from a southside momma who was indignant telling me; "I'm a gradiate of "Oliver-Hardy" College, you don't know nuthin."
I said, "Uh, I believe maam that you meant, Olive-Harvey College?"
You can't make this shit up.!
I believe most colleges will confirm attendance (though not academic performance) upon request.
Colleges will verify whether or not someone attended and the dates and whether or not they graduated. Generally it only takes a call to the Registrar's office. FOIA does not apply in these cases to school records held by the University. Doubtful that FOIA would apply to an individual's personnel records. You'll have to check the statute.
On the last sergeants list one person discovered he scored higher than he expected, and regrettably, did not have the required amount of credits to be promoted. He had a contact at Daley College in the front office who merely created a transcript showing the required credit hours where obtained. A completely bogus record was fabricated and sent to the Department-and another guy or gal was robbed of the honest chance at the promotion. He was promoted to sergeant in the group made in Jan-Feb 2006. Any feds or monitors out there trolling?
Everyone below the number, lets say 500 should get on a class action lawsuit and force the department to prove that every single officer promoted has the college.
I'm sure Chicago State University will be willing to issue a diploma based on the "life skills" i.e. clout, corruption, picked up by the aforementioned "merit" due to their close association with the university itself.
Hiring monitor ?
SCC, seeing as how I am retired and from the 'burbs I would be happy to file any FOIA's you guys need. No skin off my nose and they can't touch me.
I know sergeants and above that acquired that eleventh hour degree on Thursday to be qualified and on Friday's list! The FOP knows all about it! Not disgruntled or jealous just happy to be one of the Indians.
30 years ago, some did not have high school or a GED.
When bosses were promoted to exempt, they would get a masters from IIT.
A suit would charge that the promotional process and the merit selection process are not on a level playing field. Art/Jon Loevy are you monitoring this.
Can anyone get a hold of the resume?
Or is it a big fat lie like Ernie Browns application in Arizona!
It's doesn't matter. The rules don't apply for the clouted and brass. It's always been the chicago way!
Actual transcripts are not for public release. But, whether a person has attended a college or univerisity and the years of attendance or degrees awarded can be determined. Just hire a good private investigator
There is a police officer on Non-PPO Status that does Not have the Required College credits for the Position?
SCC....I would love information that supports that if you can get your hands on it.
Please message me at my Live Journal if you would be so kind, as I was refused the Power Test due to being 2 credit hours short of the 60 in 2006.
when does this new group of sgt's hit the streets??
This is insane! How come someone be promoted when the standards are in black and white? They shouldn't have been allowed to take the test it they didn't have the college.
OT Please verify (FOP?) if our reknowned director of the crystal ball unit is now in Sgt's class. If so, he wasn't even on the job or still in the academy when the test was given. There is an article about how great he is in the Scum Times. Who planted that article, Daley or Weis?
"There are bad areas," the slim, bespectacled Boston-area native says. "The question is: When is a bad area going to be bad?
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at night and on weekends you pencil-necked cocksucker
"where he conducted research on using 911 calls to identify crime patterns."
How about that shit, huh? it takes a genius apparently. Um .... where the 911 caller says there's crime ... that's where the crime is.
Anonymous said...
Rumor has it my balls are huge
8/30/2010 06:59:00 AM
Oh that they are!!! I choked on them just the other day...
I predict Goldstein is the future of this dept. and this dept. will suffer for it.
Police work is a contact sport. Period. No computer ...ever... will make any bit of difference.
Place no hope .... don't even entertain any glimmer of hope - that a computer program will do anything for us, as cops or citizens. This is not AFIS and it is not ICLEAR - which are just databases and ARE uselful. This is different. Let's nip this BS in the bud. Media? You ever look at anything other than a police shooting with a critical eye anymore?
"Does Barber or Clown college count??
8/30/2010 08:35:00 AM"
barber, possibly.
clown, absofuckinlutely.
As a person who came on the job with a Bachelor's degree, then went back to school and got my Master's, ALL I can say is "the BEST policemen I have had the honor to work with, did not have a collage degree. They had the degree of life, and a very good early education. THIS JOB REQUIRES GOOD MORALS, ETHICS, COMMON SENSE, AND THE DESIRE TO HELP..................................................................
LOOK AROUND AND ASK YOURSELVES "HOW MANY OF TODAY'S BOSSES IN THIS DEPT./CITY HAVE THOSE VALUES/QUALITIES". THEN YOU'LL REALIZED WHY WE ARE FUCKED!
By the way, I got a Master's just to kill time and keep up with the next generation. Not because I feel that higher education makes better police officers.
checkout Brett's expose in CST today. 9-11 afffected me so much that I joined the Marines wait=lay off brett not everyone is a hero like u
National Student Clearinghouse, lets get the ball rolling!
I have a copy of the Sgt Examination Announcement dated 1/10/2006 that states the Minimum Qualifications if anyone wants to see it. FOP should have on on file.
Highlights:
60 semester hours is required prior to the date the applicant is ordered to report for pre-service training. So in other words, you could take the test w/out the hours, but must have the hours before day one of sgt training.
Also, An applicant must have completed their probationary period and served an additional two full years as an active Career Service Chicago Police Officer on or before January 31, 2006. Persons who do not meet all these requirements are not eligible to apply for or take any part of this examination and will be disqualified.
To be eligible for promotion, an applicant must have met all the eligibility requirements for taking the examination as listed in this announcement. An applicant also must have completed their probationary period and serve an addition five full years as an active Career SErvice Chicago Police Officer prior to the date the applicant is ordered to report for pre-service training. Applicants who do not meet all these requirements will not be allowed to attend pre-service training and will not be promoted.
active kma club member
FROM A RESERVATIONS.COM START UP,TO ACADEMY,TO FTO TRAINING,STAY IN DISTRICT TO END OF PROBATION,THEN SHIPPED TO HEADQUARTERS AS A POLICE OFFICER,THEN SHOOT RIGHT TO A COMMANDER!!PLEASE!!!WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE MEDIA!!!CHECK OUT OUR PROMOTION QUALIFICATIONS!!THIS IS JUST NOT POSSIBLE UNLESS YOU ARE CLOUTED!!
who cares, who wants to be a sgt anyway--- they can keep the 12 grand in extra pay--- sgt is the shittiest position on this job--- go to a district you know nothing about, work a watch you don't want to work, get a furlo you don't want, ride 99 the rest of your career( you drive everyday), and babysit whatever screwballs end up on your log--- no thanks, i'll keep the blue shirt....
FYI ... Sgt Salary + Supervisor Quarterly Checks + 150 free hours (.75/day) cashed in at the end of the year is an increase of over $25,000 per year above P/O pay! Also, every year except one, I've had 7,8,or 9 segments for both segments each year. $25k multiplied by say 20 years of service = $500,000k ... But hey, your right, who wants to be a Sgt.?
Come on, our illustrious director of HR did not even know that detectives were p.o's and made an attempt to pull all merit dicks submitted so maybe she never checked for college. Sad, so sad.
who cares, who wants to be a sgt anyway--- they can keep the 12 grand in extra pay--- sgt is the shittiest position on this job--- go to a district you know nothing about, work a watch you don't want to work, get a furlo you don't want, ride 99 the rest of your career( you drive everyday), and babysit whatever screwballs end up on your log--- no thanks, i'll keep the blue shirt....
8/30/2010 09:00:00 AM
In the long run, it is all about the pension, but, in the here and now, you are 99 and do not have to be in the same car as the screwballs. And, if you truly earn your check, the screwball will know you are fair and honest and do not suffer screwballs.
beauty school dropout!
Dear Scc: I really don't understand why our college transcripts should fall under FOIA. That doesn't make sense. We can't get the president's transcripts, he has to sign a release and he won't. It's nobody's business what college I attended, what degree I have and what my grades were. Why does anyone think they should get to know that info. There are some privacy issues here people. Wake up. And yes I am a boss, been promoted twice, never meritorious and I have enough college to make all of the promotions.
but hey you're right, who wants to be a sgt ?????--- what price do you place on your sanity ???? yes a bigger pension and more money in the short term but you will only enjoy that pension if you retire with both your physical and mental health--- you have to have both or you lose no matter how much money you make---
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