Joe the Cop - Censored
Interesting.
We link to a couple good articles by "Joe the Cop" over at "Arresting Tales" and today, all the links are down. All Joe did was lay out a step-by-step about how 99% of police shootings play out and - voila! - he was 100% on the money.
We guess the truth hurts liberal feelings.
We link to a couple good articles by "Joe the Cop" over at "Arresting Tales" and today, all the links are down. All Joe did was lay out a step-by-step about how 99% of police shootings play out and - voila! - he was 100% on the money.
We guess the truth hurts liberal feelings.
posted by SCC at 12:33 AM
46 Comments:
yep he was only being truthful, and got shutup by the bullies
So some nervous twentysomethings at some insignificant local web site scissor out the truth. There's plenty more truth available -- like on the United States Department of Labor's web site.
Here's the 1965 Moynihan Report -- written just as the terrible "Long Hot Summers" of the 1960s were beginning -- which details the causes of many of the "inner-city pathologies" we see even more of today.
http://www.dol.gov/oasam
/programs/history/webid-meynihan.htm
Worth studying. It's there today, and it'll be there tomorrow, too.
The Tribune Co. must censor such truthful commentary. It's the Chicago Way.
Say it ain't so Joe.
http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/staff-blog/2010/09/why-we-removed-2-arresting-tales-posts.html
Here's the editors non-explanation
The real truth is a hard nugget for some to swallow in Shitcago !!!!
Pass the 40 dog !!!!!
No one ever wants the truth. Just like all the asshole gold stars who for years asked "What's the problem? And don't tell me manpower!"
Guess that one is biting you in the ass, eh?
Jagoffs.
funny sequence here.
1. Joe posts the first article.
2. after media reports confirm, prophetically, exactly what Joe first posted, Joe posts a followup article.
3. SCC posts an article referencing and linking to both Joe's articles.
4. tribune co. then, noticing Joe's 2 posted articles, and their comments, presumably because tribune trolls routinely monitor SCC, and, surprise, surprise, Joe's article disappear into the void of 'page not found'.
what are the odds that tribune co. trolls will, henceforth, be monitoring Joe's blog on a regular basis?
In case anyone, liberal or otherwise missed it:
(Part 1)
CTA Red Line Shooting: the ghetto shooting template
Joe the Cop on 09.20.10 at 2:43 PM | 74 comments | Joe the Cop
Husband, father, cop. And now, blogger.
When the police shoot and kill someone, the aftermath can take on the aspect of urban kabuki theater. There seems to be a script, and soon enough the actors all step forward to play their role in the ritualized drama.
The case of George Lash, shot on the CTA Red Line by Chicago Police officers this weekend, provides a perfect illustration.
Allow me to present what I call the "ghetto shooting template". It's a short and very predictable outline for this type of story.
Step 1: A young black man with a healthy arrest record is shot and killed by the police; according to police he was armed at the time and threatening officers.
Step 2: "Witnesses" come forward, but only to the media--they won't talk to investigators, and say the dead man was either unarmed, handcuffed or surrendering. I haven't seen it yet in this story, but often you'll see some variation of the phrase "how come they got to do him like that" or "they didn't have to shoot him down like a dog".
Others will simply opine, as did Chitara Lockhart, that the police didn't have "...a right to shoot the man...They should have locked him up, not shot him." Urban experts like Chitara never seem to explain exactly how that tricky, locking-up part should go.
Other "witnesses", like Andrew Mims, will describe events in vivid detail:
"The lady just whipped it out like the Wild, Wild West and shot him five times...The guy was helpless and already subdued."
Mims goes on to say that he will not share his observations with police investigators, after he acknowledges his own "run-ins with law enforcement."
The media does its part to push the trigger-happy cop narrative by repeatedly referring to the dead man as a "teen" and running what appears to be an 8th grade graduation photo of the deceased. I suggest that his last few arrest photos would be a more accurate portrayal.
In case anyone, liberal or otherwise missed it:
(Part 2)
CTA Red Line Shooting: the ghetto shooting template
Step 3: Family members will come forward to describe the deceased as a good person, and the phrase "turning his life around" will appear. This is frequently accompanied by the family member telling of the deceased's plans to return to school. From WGN TV:
"Lash was working on getting his GED, and according to family was trying to get his life together."
From Chicago Breaking News:
He was trying to turn his life around, his brother said. Lash had been kicked out of South Shore High School but was trying to re-enroll at Lincoln's Challenge Academy, an alternative school for "at-risk" students.
"Trying to." Not "had enrolled" or "was enrolled". Nope. What that means was, at moments when Lash was confronted by a more responsible family member, he made vague assurances of someday, possibly, heeding their advice.
Sometimes the family will actually admit they knew the deceased had a gun, but refused to believe he'd actually point it at anyone.
Understand this: family members are absolutely useless when it comes to giving an honest assessment of the criminal activity of the deceased. Unless someone is a complete monster (and sometimes even then) they have family who love them and think they can do no wrong. Street thugs don't show the same face to their family that they show on the street.
Step 4: The family cries for "justice". Which really means, they call a lawyer and file a lawsuit. In some demographic groups, having a family member shot by the police is like winning the lottery. The harsh reality is, George Lash will be a better provider for his family as the subject of a civil lawsuit than he was ever going to be in his adult life. Even if every single review shows that the officers acted justifiably, the City of Chicago will probably cut a check in the tens of thousands of dollars just to make a lawsuit go away.
http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/arresting-tales/2010/09/the-cta-red-line-shooting-the-ghetto-shooting-template.html
Go to mother host type in Joe and you will find it
The links may be down, but here's the cut-and-paste address. The story's there.
http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/arresting-tales/2010/09/why-cops-love-the-media-cta-red-line-shooting-coverage.html
This link seems to work:
http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/arresting-tales/2010/09/why-cops-love-the-media-cta-red-line-shooting-coverage.html#more
People have it pounded in their heads from birth that to criticize in any way the black ghetto subculture makes you a racist and evil. Some people, for some reason, believe this until the day they die and anything they see like Joe the Cop's article infuriates them even though it is 100% true. Nothing can be disputed in that article. But it's "racist" and I'm sure that's the bullshit card people used writing to the editor to get those links pulled. And this is why the problems of the black ghetto will continue for the next 200 years, because anyone who says there is a problem is racist. Where do I write to voice my displeasure for these links being pulled?
Leave it to the tribune. Parish the thought an educated man lays it out for every cop basher to read,and gets censored!
and now this:
http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/arresting-tales/2010/09/please-stand-by.html
common your talking about democrats, when have they ever accpted the truth.
Anyone skeptical of the fact that local media censors the news?
I rest my case.
Censorship, one of the first steps to living in a totalitarian Govertnment. The media is part of it, and will help dissolve our freedom of speech, very troubling !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You can still read the article on the Google Cache of the page: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:BnD-bpwW2bkJ:www.chicagonow.com/blogs/arresting-tales/2010/09/was-i-wrong.html+http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/arresting-tales/2010/09/was-i-wrong.html&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
Or put the URL into a Google search and when the search result pops up click the "cached" link to see what Google saved.
perhaps if people would print and spread the Truth, and all people face up to their shortcomings, and stop blaming others for their lack of success in life, and start being responsible for their own behavior, the beginning of correcting the problems of the past would come to light. The answer is not with Politicians people, they are opportunists who use any means available to keep themselves and their corrupt friends in office, and lining their pockets with the Taxpayers dollars.
listen boys and girls in blue
shoot when your life is in danger
repond to all in progress calls
safely , drive carefull , lights and siren
citizens are not on our side
write reports for everything
stay safe , looks like pension will be gone in 20 - 30 years
get fop to demand pension for gold braid exempts is eliminated
The Chicago Tribune, lapdogs, not watchdogs.
What Joe the cop wrote was blunt, but it was the truth. I'm a former journalist in this town and I covered a shooting on the west side in the early 90s. A cop got shot in the leg, but returned fire and seriously wounded (maybe killed, i can't remember now) the guy who shot him. I got to the scene and before I even got my notepad out, folks where swearing the guy didn't have a gun and the cop shot him for no reason. My photographer, who is black, got fed up quick and yelled out, "Then how in the hell did the cop get shot?" And there was silence.
No one ever wants the truth. Just like all the asshole gold stars who for years asked "What's the problem? And don't tell me manpower!"
Guess that one is biting you in the ass, eh?
Jagoffs.
AMEN. I am retired, but when I was whistled down to MARS,CARS,VISE, and what ever other initialed bullshit meeting...it was always "And don't tell me about manpower" Hey boss 1/2 my team is on furlough with no replacements because the watch is so short, and 2 cars are detailed to the Area....Glad I'm gone-Be Safe and back each other up.
In 1986 -- when a newspaper was still a newspaper, and probably before many of the current generation of eager Tribune web log censors was even born -- the staff of the Chicago Tribune produced a series of 29 blockbuster articles about North Lawndale, later published as a prize-winning book, entitled The American Millstone: an examination of the nation's permanent underclass.
The Chicago Public Library has plenty of copies available --
http://www.chipublib.org/
search/details/cn/837153
How inconvenient that there are older people around who remember things.
Google hasn't censored Joe. You can still find it here:
http://tinyurl.com/28yspv2
'The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so.'
-Ronald Reagan
While the Tribune did take down Joe the Cops' two posts google cache has the original posts. Unfortunately, many of the comments were not cached. Which is regrettable because I had some sarcastic remarks of cosmic proportion. One of the commenters there claimed to see the shooting and said the deceased didn't have a gun. I mocked him by saying that the deceased actually had a chocolate Easter bunny in his hand and the cops were hungry so they killed him for it. I was quite proud of myself. Which is nearly as pathetic as the alleged witness.
Original ghetto shooting template cache.
Followup post "Was I wrong" cache.
Basically the "battle" to get the posts deleted was led by a blogger over at that world class outfit known as "Time Out Chicago". Here is his post.
He flat out distorted what was written and pulled things out of context. Perhaps he was truly outraged. Some people go through life perpetually "outraged". Perhaps he just saw it as an issue that might garner him some publicity so he could potentially move on to a better publication. Maybe both or pick and choose. It would just be guessing on my part or semi informed speculation.
Now I didn't perceive anything "racist" in Joe's two posts. Some of the comments were "racist" and they were on both sides of the divide. Now one can fairly claim that Joe's posts were insensitive to the family of the dearly departed. That's life. If I wrote a blog post saying that Bill Clinton, Jesse Jackson Jr, or a whole variety of politicians of every color and political persuasion have trouble with sexual escapades, that would undoubtedly be true. It would also be insensitive to their family members who would undoubtedly be in some pain. In terms of social commentary or political discourse sometimes insensitivity is necessary.
I'm also the cat, I'm feeling Studs Turkelesque here, who posted the original link to the Moynihan Report. Moynihan was called a racist for pointing out the obvious and that guy was
The biggest problems in the inner city are not directly related to policing, schools or the lack of legitimate economic opportunity. Although, there are problems in those areas. The biggest problem in inner city America is a lack of family structure.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan was many things. Racist wasn't one of them.
To quote EJ Dionne after Moynihan died:
"He was always a liberal, of a sort, who knew that liberalism thrived only when it could question itself. He was also a conservative, of a sort, who thought that public order and family stability were essential to a good society. He believed in government and he was skeptical of government. He believed in the capacity for human improvement and "social learning" and he believed in original sin and the need to grapple with fallen human nature."
Letter to the editor in today's (Friday's)scum times:
September 24, 2010
I have been reading about the 19-year-old man, George Lash, whom the police shot and killed on the Red Line last weekend ["Cops kill armed man on L: police," Sept. 17].
As a teacher at an alternative high school on the South Side, I can't help but think that George Lash could easily have been any of my 200 students at the wrong place in the wrong time. Assuming the many witnesses are telling the truth, there was no reason to shoot that young man. Even if he had a gun, once he was being handcuffed, he should have posed no threat. And even if he did pose a threat somehow, shooting five times -- to kill -- is much different than simply Tasering or shooting him once to immobilize him.
I am also saddened that this hasn't received more media attention. Things like this get ignored and forgotten every day, and it is the news media's responsibility to keep these atrocities from being overlooked by the large majority of society that doesn't hold a daily fear of the police. That's the same majority that can't understand why a young man would feel the need to carry a gun. That same majority would rather not see what is happening south of the Loop because it's easier to live that way.
The only way this can be properly resolved -- for Lash's family and for everyone in this city who could easily picture himself or herself in Lash's (or his family's) position -- is for that video to get into the hands of a truly independent party -- a judge, a jury, a courtroom -- who can really see what happened.
Rebecca Katz, Rogers Park
My response:
Ms. Katz:
1. Lets see what your feelings are when some scum bag pulls that gun on you. After you go into full pucker that is.
2. It scares me to think that you are part of a potential jury pool. Ever heard of looking at both sides, you liberal cow? What do you think his family is going to say; "Our Georgie was a victim hunting, gun toting piece of shit who got what he deserved?
3. Hasn't received "more media attention"? are you shitting me? It was the lead story for two days. Not to mention that the times published your one sided defense of this goof.
4. And finally did you ever lose a relative? I hope not, but if so would your first day of "mourning" be spent in a law office drafting a lawsuit, or perhaps at a funeral home or church making arrangements for the funeral and burial. That alone shows the priorities of the family. It's just a potential payday for Momma.
5. And one final question-the news reports said he was "preparing to go back for a GED". How the hell do you prepare to go back and get a GED. I think you just walk over to a local high school and ask for the forms right. They make it sound like someone has to take the bar review 6 week course to "go back for a GED".
Wake up lady.
JOE the COP for MAYOR!!!
Apparently this all stems from the pique of Time Out Chicago editor Frank Sennet:
http://www3.timeoutny.com/chicago/blog/out-and-about/2010/09/tribs-chicagonow-hosts-cops-racist-rant-three-days-and-counting/?CMPID=twTimeOutChicago
And the Chicago Reporter, of all publications, takes up Joe the Cop's defense (at least his right not to be censored), saying that like it or not, his opinion must be heard if we are to have any discussion:
http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-muckrakers/2010/09/is-joe-the-cop-an-intolerable-racist-i-dont-think-so.html
Why would anyone have a blog hosted by a subsidiary of the Trib (or pretty much any major media outlet) and be surprised at being censored? News organizations are not about news, they are about dumbing down the populace with 24/7 celebrity gossip so we are compliant consumers of fashion, diet programs and boner pills. Joe needs to find a different host for Arresting Tales.
If this doesn't wake most of us to stop buying the Trib and Suntimes what will? After Jesse Jr's little "social acquaintance" story, the Suntimes shut down the commentary board. I use to buy the Trib on Wed, Thurs, Friday and Sunday because John Kass is published on those days. By the way didn't a guy from Marist buy the Suntimes when they were about to go into bankruptcy? Maybe someone from that School might want to reach out to him. I haven't bought a Suntimes in about 5yrs. Now the Chicago Now Blog gives a B/S reason for censoring a blog. I think I will continue reading online.
To 9/24/2010 12:47:00 PM
Thanks for your years of service----hope every day is a great one.
I too saw that ridiculous letter to the editor in todays Sun Times negatively critiquing the police shooting to death that p.o.s. on the el.
Lady you are one liberal piece of shit. If that gun was pulled/displayed on you or any of your loved ones you'd have an entirely different viewpoint. Then it would be where are the police and why aren't they doing something?
You need to get your head out of your liberal ass and get back to reality. Unfortunately as the previous poster opined morons such as this woman somehow wind up on jurys and that is never a good thing.
"Wake up lady.
9/24/2010 04:11:00 PM"
roger's park will, sooner or later, provide the wake up call.
Rebecca Katz, Rogers Park
You are soft in the head lady? You a teacher should know how some of these kids are beyond help. Yes the police shot him more than once, we don't shoot to cripple we kill. Plain and simple. If it comes to him or me, goodbye Lash. Fuck you and everyone that looks like you lady.
"I got to the scene and before I even got my notepad out, folks where swearing the guy didn't have a gun and the cop shot him for no reason. My photographer, who is black, got fed up quick and yelled out, "Then how in the hell did the cop get shot?" And there was silence."
And here is the truth. Fucking golden !
"I got to the scene and before I even got my notepad out, folks where swearing the guy didn't have a gun and the cop shot him for no reason. My photographer, who is black, got fed up quick and yelled out, "Then how in the hell did the cop get shot?" And there was silence."
And here is the truth. Fucking golden !
Well said!
"...the news reports said he was "preparing to go back for a GED..." How the hell do you prepare to go back and get a GED?"
--9/24/2010 04:11:00 PM
Yeah, that is funny. Reminds me of the constant radio call of "large group in the street, they gettin' ready to fight."
"Rogers Park will, sooner or later, provide the wake-up call."
--9/24/2010 11:50:00 PM
How the hell can anyone who still lives there...words fail me.
I still remember how the vermin there in 024 managed to shut down both the Jewel and the nice health food store on Morse Avenue (creating the "food desert" that they then complain about) with their incessant shoplifting and their robberies and beatings of customers.
Incredibly, the Dominick's on Ridge Boulevard then began running a shuttle bus from Morse Avenue to their store! It was a riot watching the new arrivals bolt out the door dropping half the stuff they were trying to hold under their jackets. I was standing there pointing and telling the employees "Don't be watching me! Look at that! You're busing your theft problem in!"
It wasn't long before the bus service was quietly discontinued -- but Ridge Boulevard and Warren Park will never be the same. Thanks for the free air-conditioned, guided tour of a new area for the hand-picked worst to move into, Dominick's. I haven't entered one of your stores except to use the washroom in years now, after you messed with me over fifty cents until I left the whole order on the belt and walked away...
Rebecca Katz, Rogers Park
You are soft in the head lady? You a teacher should know how some of these kids are beyond help. Yes the police shot him more than once, we don't shoot to cripple we kill. Plain and simple. If it comes to him or me, goodbye Lash. Fuck you and everyone that looks like you lady.
9/25/2010 05:15:00 AM
worked in Rogers Park for a number of years and just about everyone hated the police. It s full of yippey s from the 60 s, gangbangers and people from other countries who never trusted authority.As soon as i saw the neighborhood she lived in i knew sh was a police hater.
I'd really like to read joe's article, but it's gone now - anyone know if it's been republished somewhere?
"I'd really like to read Joe's article, but it's gone now - anyone know if it's been republished somewhere?"
--9/25/2010 04:05:00 PM
The whole thing's right here, T -- it's not very long. Just scroll upwards into the earlier posts until you see it. It's in two parts.
How about the female news reporter allowing some moron to tell his side of the story about how the police shot him after he was down and handcuffed! Then, he goes on to say he wasn't there at that time but "his friend" told him what happened. The nitwit female reporter ignores the ridiculous statement he just made and says, "reporting live from the CTA, back to you, blah blah blah!" There are just not enough bullets in the world for all the incompetent, backstabbing, useless reporters who, everyday allow this to happen on the "boob tube!
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