Monday, September 27, 2010

Nice Pinch

A very good job. We're going to quote liberally from the article because it's a good story:
  • Two veteran tactical officers are being credited with capturing three gangsters armed with pistols and a machine-gun type of assault weapon before they hurt someone early Sunday in the Garfield Park neighborhood on the West Side.

    A man flagged down police about 3:30 a.m. in the 4700 block of West Washington Boulevard after one of the three suspects pointed a gun at him before fleeing in a white Cadillac sedan, according to police.

    Area 4 midnight Tactical Officers Rick Caballero and his partner John McKenna gave chase in an unmarked police car until the three suspects bailed from the car in a field in the 300 block of North Pulaski Road.

    Police said the partners grabbed two of them and placed them under arrest without incident while the third jumped a fence and fled on foot to the home of an acquaintance in 300 block of North Avers Avenue, which he ran into to try and escape.

    The house was surrounded by police, including McKenna and Caballero, Harrison District beat officers and K-9 units. Officers entered the house and found the third suspect on the second floor about 3:45 a.m. and he was arrested.

    Caballero and McKenna recovered three guns on the scene at the Pulaski Road address, including two pistols and a compact machine gun, similar to a M.A.C.-10 according to police. No one was hurt in the incident.

    A law enforcement source close to the investigation commended the officers’ work in the arrests of the suspects, all of whom are convicted felons and gang members.

    “We think they were out to do somebody harm and these guys prevented a shooting, if not a homicide,’’ the source said.

This is what police work is. Not "predicting" from a cubicle. Not event numbers. Not anything the J-Fled and Masters and any of the other number-fudgers downtown have turned this job into.

Excellent job Officers.

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70 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

White Cadillac -- ideal vehicle for drive-bys, very hard to spot in a deserted neighborhood at 3:45 AM.

As someone said so long ago, "Thank God they're so stupid."

9/27/2010 12:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Johnny Mac for Supernintender!

9/27/2010 12:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Number fudgers.

I like that.

They are fudging the number in a variety of ways. Emphasis on the "fudg".

Hint, hint, Wink Wink

9/27/2010 12:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks Johnny Mac...

...for nothing!

You prevented at least one or two homie-cides in 011, and I'm trying to win a bet that 011 will beat out 006 and 007.

Look on the bright side, you'll have your picture taken with J-Fled to hang up in your locker for the DC

9/27/2010 12:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Old school police work, see the bad guys and go get them. No one got hurt and the bad guys go to jail! Takes some stones to chase after fools with a machine gun, when you're armed only with handguns and outnumbered!

9/27/2010 01:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's good up until you have to call for felony approval. Some snot nose wet behind the ears tries the case on the phone. Good offices and stay safe.

9/27/2010 01:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nice work Rick!!!

9/27/2010 02:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

J-Fled has no idea what working the street is like.

He couldn't find a Rose Bush in an Onion Field unless masters x3 told him what to look for and then he'd have to call that 14yr old that did such a great job of appearing to be the Police.

9/27/2010 02:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

nice pinch but this happens to be another great arrest amongst many--- jodi weis has never made an arrest like this in chicago or anywhere else--- this big pooch melon head thinks he is going to tell working coppers how to do their jobs--- we know how to do our jobs, we just can't figure out how to get rid of you

9/27/2010 02:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Right on, SCC. An excellent arrest, and an excellent commentary by you about what REAL policework is. Maybe, just maybe, the WEISel and 3M might just learn what that is within the next 6 months. Hopefully we'll be free of both of them, along with both Asst. Supts. and all of the Deputy Supts. by then.
It would be terrific to begin the new year by seeing the CPD turn a new page with some fresh, intelligent leadership no longer beholden to City Hall.

9/27/2010 02:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Both top-knotch coppers! great job!

9/27/2010 03:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

O.T. - The selection of J-FLED was mandated from the FEDs, so Chicago would not have to go under a consent decree given the Olympic bid. That is why J-FLED got offered so much money, because he had a private-sector offer before getting the Supt's job around the same money he gets.

If indiviuals think I am giving false information - think about this - city ordinance mandates that Supt. candidates go before the Police Board for selection. THAT NEVER HAPPENED WITH J-FLED! Mayor Daley unilaterally chose J-FLED. J-FLED's selection completely circumvented the traditional selection of the Supt. being recommended by the Police Board.

9/27/2010 03:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great guys and a hard working team. Always out there getting stuff like this. Good to see them getting a pat on the back. Nice work guys.

9/27/2010 04:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

REAL POLICE DONT RUN.

9/27/2010 06:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Pursuit in an unmarked vehicle - one day off.
Not obtaining a search warrant - tossed case.

This is the way in this dept and county.

Great job by the officers. An award in any other county or state and three assholes behind bars - but not here.


009 midnights

9/27/2010 06:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Retired 640,

Great work, officers. Every gun you recover is a gun that will never hurt another police officer. Stay safe.

9/27/2010 07:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good job Rick and Johnny Mac!

9/27/2010 07:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

John Stossel (sp?) had a great piece on the welfare/handout state over the weekend. Worth looking for if you can. It never would have aired if he was still on MSNBC.

9/27/2010 08:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ya sure the PAU didn't supply tactical officers where to look

PAU director $150,000 for hiding in office , how many guns did pau director recover in his career

tactmen $70,000 working westside streets saving lives
Good work officers and be carefull
yeah jfled has our back

9/27/2010 08:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Excellent commentary SCC. You are 100 percent right on this.

9/27/2010 08:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is how we policed the streets before the coming of Weiss. Proactive policing. Now, we are reactive, waiting for the crystal ball unit to tell us when crime will occur. If we had veteran, effective leadership, the troops would be motivated to proactively go after the gang bangers. You reap what you sow. The lack of effective leadership is appaling in this department. Ever since Brown took over, Weiss is suddenly quiet about the crime rate?

9/27/2010 08:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Excellent job Officers. By the time the ink dries on those arrest reports the Cook Co. court system will have them back out on the street to kill, and the neighborhood can complain that the "police don't do nothing".

9/27/2010 09:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Both guys are great coppers. Rick is a shit magnet and John is a good young policeman.

9/27/2010 09:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Nice Work Boys said...

Nice job boys! I'm glad to see you still got it. I'm also glad to see all that I taught you hasn't worn off. You make me proud!

Midnight Ranger from back in the day. MM

9/27/2010 09:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey where's all the smart asses calling people hairgels and all that "don't do shit" talk?

Good Job, oh wait are they real police?

9/27/2010 09:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good job guys

9/27/2010 09:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Old school police work > stupid computer bullshit.

9/27/2010 09:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nice job, po-leese!
Truly, 'Chicago's Finest'

9/27/2010 09:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Officers, you MUST protect your identities! The shitheads can easily track you down. Everyone should run their name on Google and Zabasearch. Most will be shocked at the personal info that is available. We must be diligent in order to protect our families. Be safe.

9/27/2010 09:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great job guys!

J-Fled has your back. Sarc.....:(

9/27/2010 10:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

real police work seems to start a lot of times with citizen reports of some kind of crime and enough information for the cops to go get the bad guys.

the citizen reports seem to be a big part of the problem in chicago. just not enough of them.

I don't think it makes any real difference why there is a lack of trust of CPD by a substantial part of the citizenry, it just is the way it is. And somehow CPD has to win that trust back before there is any real chance of dealing with crime.

JMNSHO.

9/27/2010 10:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The selection of J-FLED was mandated from the FEDs, so Chicago would not have to go under a consent decree given the Olympic bid.
------------------------------
I am guessing you are absolutely right about this. CPD has a terrible rep from the outside looking in, and it does not much matter whether that rep is fair or not. Some things just are.

Chances are if someone like Weis had not taken the job there would be a civil rights lawyer in the DOJ running the CPD instead.

9/27/2010 10:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nice pinch!

9/27/2010 11:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great job! There is nothing better than grabbing up an armed perp!

9/27/2010 11:15:00 AM  
Anonymous The Box Chevy Phantom said...

Great Pinch!

Sadly it probably won't go anywhere...

Had a similar one years ago while working a beat car.

Hand waver, four in a car brandishing a full auto tech-9... Same idiots dropped shots a few hours earlier. Curbed the vehicle, one was able to "fly away" but the other three were secured. Weapon in the car, visible and accessible to all.

Felony Review? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

"It could have belonged to the guy that ran."

"Where is the guy that flagged you down?"

WTF, say what? Ok, we see where THIS is headed, fuck you very much and what's your name again?

W/C to request Street Deputy for an override? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

"So what do you want me to do?"

*Cue music from Twilight Zone*

We have our fingers crossed that ASAO handles business and does right by the law and these Officers who went above and beyond.

Great work guys!

9/27/2010 11:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

yeah jfled has our back

9/27/2010 08:26:00 AM
But the prick has a knife !!!!

9/27/2010 12:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

3 felons charged after drive-by and foot chase in Garfield Park

9/27/2010 01:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

CHICAGO BREAKING NEWS

NICE PINCH HERE AND THERE!!!!!!!

Three men who police said crashed their car into a police squad car chasing them after a reported home invasion on the South Side have been charged.

Randy Johnson, 26; of the 8200 block of South Sangamon Street; Cashell Williams, 31; and Terrance Weatherspoon, 24, were all charged with home invasion with a firearm, according to a release from police News Affairs. Addresses for Williams and Weatherspoon were not available.
The incident began near South Stony Island Avenue and East 71st Street about 7:25 p.m. Wednesday, police said.

Officers in the area heard gunshots and saw a car leave the scene, said police News Affairs Officer Ron Gaines. A victim waved to police and reported a home invasion, he said.

The officers took chase and pursued the suspects to the intersection of South Martin Luther King Drive and East 64th Street, where they crashed their green Land Rover into two police squad cars, Gaines said. It wasn't clear if the police cars were involved in the chase or had been responding to help out.

No one was injured, and a gun was recovered on the scene, Gaines said.

In addition to the home invasion charge, Johnson was charged with possession of cannabis and Williams was charged with aggravated fleeing from police, disobeying a stop sign and failure to carry a driver's license, the release said.

9/27/2010 02:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OT --

"Hey girl. Oooooo. Whatchoo f___ed up on? C'mere. C'mon over here." Department --

Two sexual assaults reported near Loyola University

September 27, 2010

Sun-Times Media Wire

"Police are investigating two separate sexual assaults...

"[The] first incident...occurred in the 6200 block of North Kenmore Avenue...the 19-year-old female student told police she met the suspect...at a nearby tavern where they had been drinking. About 2:45 AM, they went back to her dorm at the Kenmore address and began making out in a laundry room where the sexual assault occurred."

Duh.

"A second, unrelated sexual assault [occurred around 4:30 AM] in the 6400 block of Sheridan Road.

"The female victim...was leaving the multi-story building on Sheridan Road with a male acquaintance, but when she got to the lobby she realized she forgot her keys and went back to get them.

"When she came back to the lobby, her friend was not there. A second male she did not know was in the lobby and told her campus security was 'looking for her' and she could 'hide out' at his place, Whalen said. She went with him, but did not remember where the residence is located.

"The next thing she remembered was waking up [with him] sexually assaulting her at his residence."

http://www.suntimes.com/news
/metro/2748764,loyola-sex-
assault-092710.article

"Uh. Whuh. A'ow know wha' happen. *urp* He...he...uh, or somethin'. You gah a cigarette? *urp*"

9/27/2010 02:21:00 PM  
Blogger NorthSide said...

Excellent police work, guys!

Imagine our "fearless leader" with his "spectacular" driver being at Madison and Cicero when this began at Kilpatrick and Washington.

By the time 011 Tac got to Pulaski Rd., that poseur pussy would be roaring inbound on the Ike at Sac so he wouldn't be "a distraction". Also, he would have "to pick up his gear". Don't ask me what "gear". Like J-Fled, I haven't a clue.

O/T: Are you, friends and family all registered to vote in November?

Any plans for a huge October 6th lack of manpower protest at City Hall? Let Mark Donahue and Greg Bella know. (312)733-7776. MDonahue@ChicagoFOP.org. GBella@ChicagoFOP.org

The City Council meeting is only nine days away. Let's go for the jugular.

9/27/2010 02:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just this week in 006th district the Area 2 gun team had an on-view robbery with that team coming away with the 2 offenders and 2 guns and all the proceeds. The offenders were both convicted felons let out early on the streets robbing the four victims at 74th and hermitage, but they got caught due to hard working old school cops. Kudos to 006th district patrol and Lt. Evans on scene also.

9/27/2010 02:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ok, off topic sorry. How the hell does Masters have a GOLD BADGE??!!! I cry shenanigans

9/27/2010 02:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Real police DO run......towards danger.

...not like feebs....

9/27/2010 03:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"And somehow CPD has to win that trust back before there is any real chance of dealing with crime.

JMNSHO.

9/27/2010 10:31:00 AM"



you can't win the lotto if you choose not to buy a ticket.

9/27/2010 03:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You guys just don't know it yet but it was the Predictive Analysis Unit that told that guy to stop the cops and tell them that the guys in the car had the guns. See I knew that the PAU would start to show that they know what is really going on.

9/27/2010 05:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great work officers.
Barring further facts, lets not overlook one thing here...

Unless we know the "MAC 10" was fully automatic, there's a very, very real chance that the media outlet is doing what media outlets are so likely to do in furthering the gun equivalent of reefer-madness; calling any gun not shaped like a deer rifle or a revolver a machine gun.

Frankly, I'd pretty much lay significant odds that this was your run of the mill, $300 repeating MAC 10 favored by range-warriors and fantasy enthusiasts and NOT a a fully automatic machine gun.

9/27/2010 06:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Box Chevy Phantom said...
Great Pinch!

Sadly it probably won't go anywhere...

Had a similar one years ago while working a beat car.

Hand waver, four in a car brandishing a full auto tech-9... Same idiots dropped shots a few hours earlier. Curbed the vehicle, one was able to "fly away" but the other three were secured. Weapon in the car, visible and accessible to all.

Felony Review? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

"It could have belonged to the guy that ran."

"Where is the guy that flagged you down?"

WTF, say what? Ok, we see where THIS is headed, fuck you very much and what's your name again?

W/C to request Street Deputy for an override? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

"So what do you want me to do?"

*Cue music from Twilight Zone*

We have our fingers crossed that ASAO handles business and does right by the law and these Officers who went above and beyond.

Great work guys!


Why on earth would you post this story? It's obvious you don't deal with felony review often. If you have, then you know what they look for. Didn't see anyone holding it or dropping it? No one gave a statement? Go back to writing your parkers. Thanks for letting all these guys go you clown.

9/27/2010 06:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Chuckles said...

Great work by the officers but typical shitty biased reporting by the Lamestream Media.
WTF is:
"armed with pistols and a machine-gun type of assault weapon"

How biased can you get??!!???

9/27/2010 06:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nice job boys! I'm glad to see you still got it. I'm also glad to see all that I taught you hasn't worn off. You make me proud!

Midnight Ranger from back in the day. MM


MM?? If that's the one I know, this post is quite humorous. Block head.

9/27/2010 07:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Coupd de Ville or Escalade? Coup was old gangsta Escalade new gangsta ride.

9/27/2010 07:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Save the dept some money and dump the "crystal gall" unit. They got nothing on good old police work.

19-P

9/27/2010 07:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

But they're turnin' their lives around...

9/27/2010 08:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Why on earth would you post this story? It's obvious you don't deal with felony review often. If you have, then you know what they look for. Didn't see anyone holding it or dropping it? No one gave a statement? Go back to writing your parkers. Thanks for letting all these guys go you clown.

9/27/2010 06:51:00 PM"



what's obvious is that you don't.

9/27/2010 10:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

Ok, off topic sorry. How the hell does Masters have a GOLD BADGE??!!! I cry shenanigans

9/27/2010 02:43:00 PM


you new in town? you just aprachute in? media troll? use up some shoeleather kid, get out there and find some facts.

9/27/2010 11:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And some bosses will only be concerned with the event number.

9/27/2010 11:24:00 PM  
Anonymous The Box Chevy Phantom said...

06:51:00 PM...

No where was it inferred or implied that anyone was let go for anything. It was still three heads, a vehicle tow and impound, a recovered full-auto machine pistol and a court date or two.

Our paper was truthful, tight and flawless in the face of a dynamic situation where handwavers and witnesses might not want to stick around and the Police don't have time to sit on them until back-up arrives.

YOU can engage in creative/questionable writing if YOU want to, oh great and mighty Police God. Hope your fundraiser is a nice one.

One point was that hopefully everything and everyone is in place to have the appropriate charges stick and put these dogs away for a long time.

Another point is that Felony Review is a waste of time. Charge them according to statute and let the courts handle it, not try the case over the phone.

Win a few, lose a few... learn to pick your battles.

Isn't that right?

Clown...

9/27/2010 11:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's amazing how this actually got some due credit when this type of police work goes on everyday without every getting noticed. Good job.

9/27/2010 11:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

>>>nonymous said...
Ok, off topic sorry. How the hell does Masters have a GOLD BADGE??!!! I cry shenanigans

9/27/2010 02:43:00 PM<<<

Ihaven't see that, but I have seen Brust wearing the uniform with two silver stars on the collar.

sickening

9/28/2010 01:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great Old School Police work job.

Now come to a BK meeting and I will be proud to buy you each a beer.

9/28/2010 01:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Unless we know the "MAC 10" was fully automatic, there's a very, very real chance that the media outlet is doing what media outlets are so likely to do in furthering the gun equivalent of reefer-madness; calling any gun not shaped like a deer rifle or a revolver a machine gun.

Frankly, I'd pretty much lay significant odds that this was your run of the mill, $300 repeating MAC 10 favored by range-warriors and fantasy enthusiasts and NOT a a fully automatic machine gun.

9/27/2010 06:26:00 PM

Lets call this what it really is.
A turd. Would you carry a firearm made by spot welding together some stamped metal parts ?

9/28/2010 07:24:00 AM  
Blogger SCC said...

to the unpublished:

educate yourself as to the wording of the gun ban recently struck down and the wording of the ordinance that was passed immediately thereafter.

possession in homes is now legal, but the NRA still has a fight before transport in vehicles and CC is concerned.

join the NRA and help us out instead of displaying your lack of knowledge.

9/28/2010 08:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Two of Chicago's finest. Always out humping on midnites. Keep up the great work.
From the Area Four Detective Division

9/28/2010 10:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"join the NRA and help us out instead of displaying your lack of knowledge."

9/28/2010 08:57:00 AM
SCC, thank you for your stance on this issue. In this day and age of being short Police Oficers, its more important than ever .

9/28/2010 10:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In Chicago??? Naw... We have convicted felon gangbangers with guns???? This City/county/State is mess up!!! Really, we need TOUGHER LAWS AND SENTENCING for these bloodsuckers of society. Your going to see Judges who are up for retention given PC for just about everything. Being Too soft and early release is not the answer.

9/28/2010 11:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Box Chevy Phantom said...
06:51:00 PM...

No where was it inferred or implied that anyone was let go for anything. It was still three heads, a vehicle tow and impound, a recovered full-auto machine pistol and a court date or two....


Sorry pal. One of those bags of shit would be fighting a case, and that's what should've been done. So, they all got b.s. misdemeanors? Nice work. Should've saved the time and done three contact cards and a turn-in and got back out into the fight. A full auto too? All felons??? One of those fucks' head would've been spinning. And guess what?? I would sleep like a baby.

As far as felony review...yes, sometimes they're a joke and sometimes they're great. But without them the shitty system we have here in this ridiculous excuse for a government would be clogged with even more b.s....and sadly with coppers who quite frankly don't know what the hell they are doing. Don't blame this completely wasted pinch on anyone other than the A/Os. These assholes were on their way to most likely murder someone...and at a minimum rob some poor slob. This should've been a slam dunk, you just couldn't commit. For shits and gigs you should run their IRs and see what they've accomplished since they got away with a full fucking auto!

And your God comment...I'm not attempting to portray that I'm super cop. I realize it sounds like it. There are a multitude of cops who are far more hard working than myself and who have had far better arrests (God Bless the WORKING POLICE). I'm just saying that the right thing to do should have been to put one of these assholes behind bars. Bottom line. You and everyone involved and everyone reading this knows that all four were guilty, knew of the gun, and knew what they were intending to do. Would it have been such a huge stretch to tighten up your paper work just a tad?? Grow a pair.

And everyone wonders why this city is slowly burning to the ground. Oh, I know, blame Weis.

9/28/2010 03:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Johnny "Mad Dog" McKenna! Played football with johnny for many years, very quietly unassuming, humble guy. Your typical, salt of the earth kind of copper. Good job Johnny...now go grab your shoe shine box!

9/28/2010 03:59:00 PM  
Blogger Elm Creek Smith said...

"Caballero and McKenna recovered three guns on the scene at the Pulaski Road address, including two pistols and a COMPACT MACHINE GUN [emphasis added], similar to a M.A.C.-10 according to police. No one was hurt in the incident."

Now, was it really a COMPACT MACHINE GUN, or was it a pistol modeled after the MAC-10? There is a big, huge difference. Someone might actually hit something at which he was aiming with one of the pistols, while everyone in the immediate area would be endangered by the compact machine gun. (When did we stop calling them "submachineguns?")

ECS

9/28/2010 04:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Grow a pair.

And everyone wonders why this city is slowly burning to the ground. Oh, I know, blame Weis.

9/28/2010 03:01:00 PM



since you've got a pair, why waste paper?

'shot dead while resisting'.

or is that pair you got a pair of pink panties?

9/29/2010 09:46:00 AM  
Blogger Elm Creek Smith said...

Lets call this what it really is.
A turd. Would you carry a firearm made by spot welding together some stamped metal parts ?

9/28/2010 07:24:00 AM

Well, the welds were continuous, but the Submachinegun, .45 Cal, M3/M3A1, worked very well and was very effective! We had two on every tank until they replaced them with M16's which were a bitch to get out of the turret.

ECS

9/30/2010 11:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

yea but it wasnt in the bubble, so it doesnt count, "IT WASNT IN THE BUBBLE"

10/04/2010 07:01:00 AM  

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