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It appears that 1987 was the cutoff date, meaning a 23 year minimum just to get the bid. No word on the non-bid spots. No doubt a few surprises.
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Sarcasm and Silliness from a Windy City Cop
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That's bullshit. I've done my 5 years in the ghetto and put in my par form to go to the airport. Fucking old timers always gotta ruin everythin on the department. Everyone on this job knows that the best police this city ever had got hired after the year 2000. Fucking retire already you useless wheelgun police.
For the new bidders, Dan Dugan is going to work you like a dog. Saddle up and get ready to ramble.
Dan still is a hard charger, right? He did give that motivating speech and expects us all to go the extra mile, right?
Or is it now that he's been burned like the rest of the department he'll just do his time, stop towing the company line and then retire?
My nephew made it with 2 yrs on....
After the shit that happened today, they better up the bids or increase special!
i heard july 86
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To all you new guys/girls coming to MSF get ready for all the long lunches, no jobs, and p.t. you can handle. Watch out however for all the self promoting, back stabbing suck asses running around this place. These are the guys with about 5 years on or less that know it all, and who seem to think crime doesn't exist outside of 010 and 011. In time you'll figure it out.
Also beware of the gossipy tattle tails who will in a second run to your Sgt, partners, or a Lt and fill them in and all behind your back. Yeah instead of addressing a problem head on like an adult, they'll run and tell anyone that will listen in the true fashion of a pussy. You'll find this mostly on the 20 and 15 teams.
All in all it's not a bad spot for all the high school going on.
Fucking retire already you useless wheelgun police.
Nice how we respect our older Brothers and Sisters. But again...this is the over educated mentality. I will take the wheel gun copper as a partner anyday. Your day will come. But I know your education means something to you...however go work the west side and tell them how educated you are. See what it does for you.
There are many Officers that spend their entire career in the ghetto. You see, dealing with the ghetto is more more tollerable than dealing with an over educated ego maniac wanna be white shirt like yourself.
You owe the wheel gunners an appology. And no I am not one. However, When I came on I chose to ride with one just to learn, and that I did. You should be smacked in the head for your comments.
It's one big happy family.
That's bullshit. I've done my 5 years in the ghetto and put in my par form to go to the airport. Fucking old timers always gotta ruin everythin on the department. Everyone on this job knows that the best police this city ever had got hired after the year 2000. Fucking retire already you useless wheelgun police.
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I truly hope you're being facetious.
"That's bullshit. I've done my 5 years in the ghetto . . wheelgun police."
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Hey dipshit.. It takes 29 years to get a 75% pension and you have to be at least 55 to get your insurance paid for.
I came on the job in 1986 and I'm only 45 years old...
get the back of the line you fuckin' moron punk.
Anonymous said...
That's bullshit. I've done my 5 years in the ghetto and put in my par form to go to the airport. Fucking old timers always gotta ruin everythin on the department. Everyone on this job knows that the best police this city ever had got hired after the year 2000. Fucking retire already you useless wheelgun police.
10/30/2010 12:33:00 AM
Wheelgunner here.
I was going to retire in 2012 when I hit 55, but now that I got O'Hare, I'm here 'till I'm 63.
It also means working special 'till I'm 63.
Enjoy the district junior.
Dugan is going to retire in 2011...
Anonymous said.....
That's bullshit. I've done my 5 years in the ghetto and put in my par form to go to the airport. Fucking old timers always gotta ruin everythin on the department. Everyone on this job knows that the best police this city ever had got hired after the year 2000. Fucking retire already you useless wheelgun police.
Please remember your words when you have 23 years on the job. 5 years in the ghetto - oh my god!!!! They still have 18 years on you you whining piece of shit.
"Anonymous Anonymous said...
That's bullshit. I've done my 5 years in the ghetto and put in my par form to go to the airport. Fucking old timers always gotta ruin everythin on the department. Everyone on this job knows that the best police this city ever had got hired after the year 2000. Fucking retire already you useless wheelgun police."
It's called seniority for a reason!
Part of the reason we are in the sorry state we are in is because not only bosses but many of our newer fellow officers have little or no respect for seniority.
To those of us without clout, seniority is all we have left and as we watch unqualified people with less time get promoted due to clout as well as those with less time (how many inside people have 15+ years on?) get all the nice spots, well that leaves a handful of bit spots and other nice spots open for those who have put in their time.
Come back in 15, 25 or even 25 years and then talk about some of the attitudes of those "old timers" and if anyone is to blame... blame the department and a culture of clout instead of rewarding good work and dedication to the department over the years.
As far as retiring goes, yeah chase out the few officers left who know how to be the "real" police to leave the blind to lead the blind... it's not like some of the newer officers learn anything. How many times do you have to be fucked over before you learn that the department does NOT have your back and however flawed FOP is... I trust them far more than I trust a department that moved to strip people any way they can as a publicity stunt!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
For the new bidders, Dan Dugan is going to work you like a dog. Saddle up and get ready to ramble.
Dan still is a hard charger, right? He did give that motivating speech and expects us all to go the extra mile, right?
Or is it now that he's been burned like the rest of the department he'll just do his time, stop towing the company line and then retire?
10/30/2010 12:49:00 AM
Pay attention here now... Dan Dugan put in his papers to retire but is presently on the medical for a re-occurance of that IOD from the hot car chase he was involved in a while back.
No further comment, move along now.
That's bullshit. I've done my 5 years in the ghetto and put in my par form to go to the airport. Fucking old timers always gotta ruin everythin on the department. Everyone on this job knows that the best police this city ever had got hired after the year 2000. Fucking retire already you useless wheelgun police.
5 years? God Bless ya kid (sincerely) but I did that in court alone.
I'm not busting your balls, as I'm aware there are some hard charging younger coppers out there and some old-timers just standing in place (and vice-versa) but seniority still is the way things are run and hopefully some day you'll look back and be grateful for that reward as well.
Stay Safe,
Retired former wheel gunner
(I did get in and convert to the double-single Beretta that I carried b-4 I retired)
All I can say to the hater is ha ha ha. Do ten years in the ghetto on midnights, transfer to a district that you can get afternoons. Do that for ten years, then you can get days. If the airport then opens up you can try for that..the only thing we have is seniority and the worst thing that happened to this job is you college grads who still can't fucking spell or write a decent report. There has always been those with the juice to get nice jobs. Get over it because that is just life. So fuck you and stop hating. Maybe I'll see you when you fly out of O'Hare.
hey 12.33am.....GFY and BLOME if that was meant seriously.
If not, you just explained a massive problem with this job in a nutshell.
They better not cut back on special out there though, I'd really be pissed about that one.
10/30/2010 12:33:00
I'm with you!!!
I have my 6 years in, and I'm ready for the airport-- but wasn't gonna talk shit about the dinosaurs...
...Instead, as "low-man on the totem pole" I'll promise these ol' timers that I'll respond to EVERY gate call and handle EVERY job. That way, they never get off their chairs and stop reading their paper.
Let the dinosaurs have their detail, BUT they do need someone to run thru the terminals.
*teasing* don't me bad, revolver police- only messin' with your ol' asses! *teasing*
Anonymous Anonymous said...
That's bullshit. I've done my 5 years in the ghetto and put in my par form to go to the airport. Fucking old timers always gotta ruin everythin on the department. Everyone on this job knows that the best police this city ever had got hired after the year 2000. Fucking retire already you useless wheelgun police.
10/30/2010 12:33:00 AM
I hope to hell you are kidding.
"That's bullshit. I've done my 5 years in the ghetto and put in my par form to go to the airport. Fucking old timers always gotta ruin everythin on the department. Everyone on this job knows that the best police this city ever had got hired after the year 2000. Fucking retire already you useless wheelgun police.
10/30/2010 12:33:00 AM"
Shirley you jest.
"My nephew made it with 2 yrs on....
10/30/2010 03:00:00 AM"
he must have a purty mouth.
The only bullshit is your 5yr wonder punk ass working the airport. It seems that alot of no police bitches who were hired are heading for the hills after 5 yrs. When the wheelgun police came on they came on to be the police. The only police at the airport were there to direct traffic, but don't worry when the shit hits the fan at the airport your punk ass 5yr wonder bitch ass will be crying to go to another do nothing spot.
5 years in the ghetto, you should thank all the old timers for saving you from making a bad decision, unless you like winter sports---- with 5 years on you might see a 6-9 period furlo in about twenty years--- still sure you want to go to 050..... wheelgun police rule !!!!!!!!!!
Anonymous said...
For the new bidders, Dan Dugan is going to work you like a dog. Saddle up and get ready to ramble.
Dan still is a hard charger, right? He did give that motivating speech and expects us all to go the extra mile, right?
He put papers in, he gone 15 Nov.
Anonymous said...
That's bullshit. I've done my 5 years in the ghetto and put in my par form to go to the airport. Fucking old timers always gotta ruin everythin on the department. Everyone on this job knows that the best police this city ever had got hired after the year 2000. Fucking retire already you useless wheelgun police.
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I guess we will be reading about you getting stripped or indicted someday.
With age comes wisdom. Someday you will look back and eat your words. You should be angrier that management gets to pick 70 percent which means out of 10 openings you only get to bid for 4 of them.
Besides, if you would have gotten it, then you would fall into your category of "useless wheelgun police" whatever that means!
*Someone who could have bid and won but why?
These are the guys with about 5 years on or less that know it all, and who seem to think crime doesn't exist outside of 010 and 011. In time you'll figure it out.
Thanks for always blowing up the spots in 10 msf!
To 12:33:00 AM; That was cute. Feel better now? Good, now go sleepy bye.
TO: That's bullshit. I've done my 5 years in the ghetto and put in my par form to go to the airport. Fucking old timers always gotta ruin everythin on the department. Everyone on this job knows that the best police this city ever had got hired after the year 2000. Fucking retire already you useless wheelgun police.
This had better be sarcasm, otherwise you are a class 'A' JAGOFF.....
Heard the management positions are going to clout heavy ex-caps personnel. When they run out of spots, then they are going to open up PTS for those left over. Both units will then have more dogs than the animal control center.
The 2 highest bidders came on the job 1968 yep only 2 left from 68 1 to midway 1 to O'Hare now who are the clout bidders? The phones are ringing off the hook I work at O'Hare we had a guy call with 12s asking questions like you get free flights? you get free rental cars and food? Told him with 12 years no chance of getting in, HERE IS THE TRUTH NO EARLY OUTS,NO FREE ANYTHING IF YOU LEFT A GOOD SPOT TO COME YOU WILL REGRET IT O'HARE YOU NEED 25 YEARS FOR DAYS AND MIDWAY 28 YEARS FOR DAYS AFTERNOONS AT MIDWAY YOU NEED 22 YEARS. HOPE THAT DOES NOT UPSET ANYONE. It is better than patrol,but then any unit is better than patrol Happy bidding welcome aboard!
To the KID who placed the 1st message on this post at 12:33 AM I hear that you needed your FTO to show you how to wipe your ass. If you are ready to retire after 10 years then quit. I am retired 15 years and could still teach you how to be a cop. The airport is what it is. BTW I did 25 years in the Ghetto before I retired, and probably did more in one hour than you have done in 10 years. BIOYA
hahahahah hair-gel,need more bullets in my gun police
O.T.
Cabela's in Indiana is having a hero's sale on Nov. 11th-12th. Police get employee prices on everything, even firearms. Please pass it on.
To the idiot bashing Dugan. His last day is Nov 15, papers in a few weeks ago. Now go get your shine box and continue handing out the radios since you don't like work.
i hope i can obtain my very own locker for my hair gel collection.
MSF gets to work out on company time?
Heard that a old timer, who is going in March, bid to 050. He said " I always wanted to work at the airport" therfore taking a spot away from another bitter old timer...
rediculous... everytime i travel it is a joke, bunch of old timers that have not seen their dick in 10yrs whith their rusted peacemaker hanging down to their knee... God for bid something were to happen at the airport,,, Go to anyother airport, in any other city and compare the police presence to ours, and the appearance of the police officers to ours... THIS DEPARTMENT IS A FUCKING JOKE
the airport is not all cracked up what it seems to be. unless you get a car to ride around or on midnights which is about 30 yrs plus on the job guess who gets to go and stand out on though ramps and directs traffic for a couple of hours a day when the TMA"s cant handle it. You do officer so have fun standing out there in the heat and cold and you ll love the airport around the holidays a fuckin zoo and guess what your not dealing with a ghetto rat you can go tell fuck off too. Give me a district anyday at least there one day I might see a 13b Furlo.
Everybody wonders why the airports in Chicago are so vulnerable. I have 21 years on and still work. The ones that go to the airport are the coppers who are in retirement mode. They didn't want to do a damn thing on the streets and avoided every job, no matter how simple. 80 percent of the coppers working the airports are useless. There are 20 percent who are the police and work, but the rest just hide or run from jobs. People knock Aviation Police, who are unarmed, but at least they respond to the calls, while many CPD show up 20 minutes later. I've seen it first hand when they had special at the airports. Especially when the hardest thing they do is get videotaped dancing on segways. This job ain't hard but some just want to collect a check and nothing else.
is 1233am poster serious or did that goof get pushed through the psych with a ph call?
That's bullshit. I've done my 5 years in the ghetto and put in my par form to go to the airport. Fucking old timers always gotta ruin everythin on the department. Everyone on this job knows that the best police this city ever had got hired after the year 2000. Fucking retire already you useless wheelgun police.
10/30/2010 12:33:00 AM
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Oooooh, five whole years?! You better learn something from those useless wheelgunners before they're gone, or you're going to have a really short career.
Who am I kidding? With an attitude like yours, thinking no one can teach you anything, the Department and the citizens of Chicago would be better off without you, anyway.
Anybody know if they are going to make more Sgt.'s or are they tearing the list down?
They only got to number 130 on the list.
That would suck!
what is going on in MSF that the new Sgt's are bailing in their first week. I guess they see the BS that's over here...... No worry, they have more on the list....haha!!! all the hype about this unit will soon be over..... check the their stats in 6 months. I can't wait to get out of back stabbing place!!! can't trust anyone around here!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anonymous said...
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To all you new guys/girls coming to MSF get ready for all the long lunches, no jobs, and p.t. you can handle. Watch out however for all the self promoting, back stabbing suck asses running around this place. These are the guys with about 5 years on or less that know it all, and who seem to think crime doesn't exist outside of 010 and 011. In time you'll figure it out.
Also beware of the gossipy tattle tails who will in a second run to your Sgt, partners, or a Lt and fill them in and all behind your back. Yeah instead of addressing a problem head on like an adult, they'll run and tell anyone that will listen in the true fashion of a pussy. You'll find this mostly on the 20 and 15 teams.
All in all it's not a bad spot for all the high school going on.
10/30/2010 04:48:00 AM
Um dude, other than the long lunches and no jobs, you just described almost every district in the city.
All you young fuckers better get useto to staying in the ghetto for the first 15 to 20 years of your career. From what I understand they are moving alot of people into the ghetto districts and gonna short change the rest of the city. Aint gonna be no bids to anywhere nice for a while. If you dont like it quit. Best police my ass.
And dont start bitching about merit spots and management spots. The FOP agreeded to that shit. If you dont like it get some new blood at the FOP.
I know we can't chase anyone in a squad car anymore but no foot chases???
Check this out:
http://www.policeone.com/legal/articles/2835256-Pa-cop-pays-victims-family-city-not-liable-for-death/
Anonymous said...
That's bullshit. I've done my 5 years in the ghetto and put in my par form to go to the airport. Fucking old timers always gotta ruin everythin on the department. Everyone on this job knows that the best police this city ever had got hired after the year 2000. Fucking retire already you useless wheelgun police.
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That would include J-Fled, wouldn't it ?
That's bullshit. I've done my 5 years in the ghetto and put in my par form to g to the airport. Fucking old timers alwa gotta ruin everythin on the departmen Everyone on this job knows that the be police this city ever had got hired after the year 2000. Fucking retire already
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Tut tut junior. You will get your chance. 15 years will pass in the blink of an eye. But thanks for working the ghetto. They need go getter's like you so old dogs like me can work the quiet districts.
I'm retired Chicago Police living out of town in Savannah. I pass through O'Hare a couple of times a year.
About a month ago I lost my cell phone and was looking around for help when I saw a uniformed patrolman, obviously assigned there, sitting on "golf cart" speaking animatedly on his cell phone while people walked past, somehow he didn't have the sense to go to a private corner and be out of sight.
I approached him slowly holding out my retired ID card, his first words were WHAT DO YOU WANT? spoken in a manner that would have damn near warranted a CR number had I been a citizen.
I think they ought to clear out the arrogant batch that they have assigned at O'Hare now. There are not a lot of class acts assigned there in my experience.
"I've done my 5 years in the ghetto and put in my par form to go to the airport."
Looks like you'll have to do 20 more before you can be put to pasture @ O'Hare. Enjoy the Baby Momma Drama, REMEMBER, YOU ARE MAKING A DIFFERENCE
12:33 - I am sitting in 77 degree, sunny Arizona, sipping a gin and tonic laughing AT you, you whiny little douche bag.
That's bullshit. I've done my 5 years in the ghetto and put in my par form to go to the airport. Fucking old timers always gotta ruin everythin on the department. Everyone on this job knows that the best police this city ever had got hired after the year 2000. Fucking retire already you useless wheelgun police.
If this is a legit post, WOW, you are one of the reasons the dept is so f-ed up.
>>> Anonymous said...
That's bullshit. I've done my 5 years in the ghetto and put in my par form to go to the airport. Fucking old timers always gotta ruin everythin on the department. Everyone on this job knows that the best police this city ever had got hired after the year 2000. Fucking retire already you useless wheelgun police.
10/30/2010 12:33:00 AM<<<
BULLSHIT! You say. I am a wheel gunner with almost 30 years in the ghetto(s). Still doing the job and teaching the new guys how to do the job, how to stay alive and stay out of trouble even how to still have fun with the job.
Aside from Shorty and the FBIers he brought in our biggest problem is 3-5 wonders who think they know everything and 7 year burnouts.
By the way, have you voted yet?
how many years?i got in with 4 years!!
Anonymous said...
That's bullshit. I've done my 5 years in the ghetto and put in my par form to go to the airport. Fucking old timers always gotta ruin everythin on the department. Everyone on this job knows that the best police this city ever had got hired after the year 2000. Fucking retire already you useless wheelgun police.
Hey, there, sonny boy! Jealous much? Don't worry, Someday you'll be old too, then you can bid wherever you want, crybaby. You sound like a moron with your above statement. The "best police" are not a bunch of loser crybabies, but suck it up and pay their dues. 5 years in the ghetto ain't shit, kid. Wait your turn (or are you too special?) Your entitlement issues peg you as one of the new crop coming on, your inexperience and poor attitude are probably the reason you can't get anywhere on this job. SUCK IT UP LIKE WE ALL DID and GET A LIFE!
10/30/2010 12:33:00 AM
This Captain Al Nagode 001 is going to find himself in a lawsuit just like Captain Randy Zawis. Ego can be a persons biggest fault and vice. He just does not get it
What makes you so special agai that you think seniority doesn't matter
To all you new guys/girls coming to MSF get ready for all the long lunches, no jobs, and p.t. you can handle. Watch out however for all the self promoting, back stabbing suck asses running around this place. These are the guys with about 5 years on or less that know it all, and who seem to think crime doesn't exist outside of 010 and 011. In time you'll figure it out.
Also beware of the gossipy tattle tails who will in a second run to your Sgt, partners, or a Lt and fill them in and all behind your back. Yeah instead of addressing a problem head on like an adult, they'll run and tell anyone that will listen in the true fashion of a pussy. You'll find this mostly on the 20 and 15 teams.
All in all it's not a bad spot for all the high school going on.
10/30/2010 04:48:00 AM
It was no different in SOS. Same shit different name.
I better get in, oh wait who do i call.
Dan Dugan is going to retire.
Anonymous said...
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To all you new guys/girls coming to MSF get ready for all the long lunches, no jobs, and p.t. you can handle. Watch out however for all the self promoting, back stabbing suck asses running around this place. These are the guys with about 5 years on or less that know it all, and who seem to think crime doesn't exist outside of 010 and 011. In time you'll figure it out.
Also beware of the gossipy tattle tails who will in a second run to your Sgt, partners, or a Lt and fill them in and all behind your back. Yeah instead of addressing a problem head on like an adult, they'll run and tell anyone that will listen in the true fashion of a pussy. You'll find this mostly on the 20 and 15 teams.
All in all it's not a bad spot for all the high school going on.
10/30/2010 04:48:00 AM
True. Im not sure of the snitches but there are quite a few there. I was excited about the idea of belonging to a Unit myself. The b.s. wasnt apparent at first but after a countless number of "wtf's", I realized that the whole place was b.s. I refused to be a "tattle tail" because what other teams did was not my business. People taking off early, maybe they deserved it (great activity all week and wiped out). Leave early for court in a few hours, not my problem, everyone needs sleep. I found that if you werent a rat, you were shunned by the LT and you became the problem (A Company experience only). I since transfered out and found the District to be more relaxed and much less looking behind your back. Things arent always greener on the other side. Go if you must, but beware. We all learn from bad choices. If you dont try it, you'll always wonder what you missed.... With that being said, The Commander (J.R.)there is the BEST. Too bad he wasnt the only one to answer to. His knowledge, experience and leadership skills should be pumped into all bosses.
Wouldn't you want more aggressive, sharper and ready to react officers at an airport other than, pardon the expression "old timers".
...."These are the guys with about 5 years on or less that know it all, and who seem to think crime doesn't exist outside of 010 and 011"
I work in 011, and have worked with some of the tools that have gone to MSF from there. Let me just tell you, they were clowns in 011 before they ever came to you (not all of them, just some). A few have been booted right back to us. They thought they were the best coppers to hit the street in decades, and all of the time in the world on the job won't change their attitudes. These are the ones that will stop by the interview room while you're processing an arrest and ask "Dude, did you charge him with this?",and "oh yeah, I know ALL of the guys on THAT spot." and other choice phrases trying to imply that they know it all. All I can say is good riddance!
First off, I too was the police-76/06 and yes we had revolvers. In my wildest dreams no Chicago Police officer would make a comment like this to our face. Airport, projects, soft spot, tactman, at one time we were proud to wear the star. There are many occupations out there, find one you're happy with and quit embarassing us old retired ones.
"All in all it's not a bad spot for all the high school going on."
Wow, someone from inside the "elite" stroke force admitting that they are a bunch of arrogant goofs. J-Fled's Rangers. I have one question, If I want to work out for an hour on company time, then take a shower and take lunch right after, do you think the W/C will let me do that? Yeah, that's what I thought.
J-Fled sucks, Stroke Force sucks, this whole damn department sucks.
Can anyone tell me what happened to all the police that I use to see in Sauganash. There seems to be no security up here anymore. -Ret LT
Anonymous said...
That's bullshit. I've done my 5 years in the ghetto and put in my par form to go to the airport. Fucking old timers always gotta ruin everythin on the department. Everyone on this job knows that the best police this city ever had got hired after the year 2000. Fucking retire already you useless wheelgun police.
10/30/2010 12:33:00 AM
I have 25 years on and purposely did not bid for the airports so to give you a better chance. It's only fair I take my hard earned seniority and sit on it. I love the smell of kerosene in the morning as much as anyone but you semi-auto hair gel guys deserve a chance. Now shut up and bid and leave me alone with my beat car and flintlock pistol and don't you dare burn out my carefully cultivated restaurants and coffee shops.
For the the dude with 5yrs on suck it up
dude! One day you'll have 23 plus yrs on
this job and can move around like the
old timers who're the real police!
You must learn to walk , before you run
dude. I guess you're one of many hair
gel officer ,who think you're the Man!
Get a life and shut the F%#K up!
Anonymous said...
That's bullshit. I've done my 5 years in the ghetto and put in my par form to go to the airport. Fucking old timers always gotta ruin everythin on the department. Everyone on this job knows that the best police this city ever had got hired after the year 2000. Fucking retire already you useless wheelgun police.
10/30/2010 12:33:00 AM
I have done my 28 years in the ghetto and I still like to work. So go fuck yourself. I am going to the airport, not to retire but to work, just in a better enviroment. And by the way I started carring a auto 28 years ago. Where you even born yet?
Anonymous said...
That's bullshit. I've done my 5 years in the ghetto and put in my par form to go to the airport. Fucking old timers always gotta ruin everythin on the department. Everyone on this job knows that the best police this city ever had got hired after the year 2000. Fucking retire already you useless wheelgun police.
HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA
I don't understand why oldtimers stay on after 30 yrs? You should see days in 016, looks like a old folks home.....
You wish you could be half the police Dan Dugan was, he was and will retire as a wheel gunning police officer, if you even knew how he stuck up for the working police with the POS WEIS, and too all you juniors crying, maybe kick back and watch how an old timer works the street ,never hungry, never wet, never cold, and is enjoyed by his supervisor cause he is less one that he has to babysit.
OldTime Sgt.
Dugan is going to retire in 2011...
10/30/2010 08:21:00 AM
Dugan put his papers in, he's leaving next month.
Don't call mr Shirley!
Anonymous said...
That's bullshit. I've done my 5 years in the ghetto and put in my par form to go to the airport. Fucking old timers always gotta ruin everythin on the department. Everyone on this job knows that the best police this city ever had got hired after the year 2000. Fucking retire already you useless wheelgun police.
10/30/2010 12:33:00 AM
Wheelgunner here.
I was going to retire in 2012 when I hit 55, but now that I got O'Hare, I'm here 'till I'm 63.
It also means working special 'till I'm 63.
Enjoy the district junior.
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I'm sure the first poster was just joking.
I sure hope the 2nd poster is joking too. That whole rationale makes absolutely no sense. But if you are serious, I hope your married so your spouse can enjoy your pension once your gone at 65.
To 1233am
You are a goof. I m sure everyone knows you re a goof. I hope you don't have a phone call, it sounds like you still have a lot of learning and growing up to do. Goof
My nephew made it with 2 yrs on....
10/30/2010 03:00:00 AM
Your nephew must have clout.....
Wheelgunner here.
I was going to retire in 2012 when I hit 55, but now that I got O'Hare, I'm here 'till I'm 63.
It also means working special 'till I'm 63.
Enjoy the district junior.
10/30/2010 08:02:00 AM
Good for you! Thanks for the chuckle at Junior's expense.....
You are a laugh if you want to work the Airport with less than 20 years on the job. It's an old mans job, aka. a dog-ass job. Years ago, people came on the job that wanted to be the police and worked for decades in shit hoods, till they got too old and too burnt out. Then they went to an old-timers spot and rid it out to retirement. now the newbiew want to go to the "Airport' with a few years on the job. What a bunch of pussys.
ot- "it used to be that police officers got stripped if they were robbing banks on their day off or shooting their neighbors---- now you get stripped for everything---- what is the message the department is trying to convey--- is it a message to knock off the shenanigans or is it merely a response to increased media scrutiny--- the police department will sacrifice you in a minute if it will project them in a positive light to the media---- the police department will give you 30 pending separation and then blame the police board for putting you back on the job...."
I told you so, this is weis's scorched earth policy to fuck everyone b4 he gets da boot. Keep woking and interviewing for the bullshit imorale chump force, kiddies.Be all you can be. bawhahaha
FYI.....I spent 5 years in the ghetto too ('85-90), 7 years in another ghetto ('90-97), 2 years in another ghetto (97-99), back to a previous ghetto for 11 more ('99-10).
Go home and get your shine kit sonnyboy, get a part-time job over at ShineKing ,Central & Lake. See Clyde, he'll set ya up over in the corner for a few months. Eventually you could work your way up front by the plexiglass window and watch all those airplanes coming and going to; The Airport.
And another thing, 017 isn't the ghetto...yet.
HEY 06:46.00 AM
Revolver police here:
We joined the best police department in the country, we were taught respect each other on the job, we still love the job, and we will back every officer we work with, You should go to work and turn in your star and quit. You are not one of us.
ALL REAL POLICE STAND UP.
WE HAVE PEOPLE OUT HERE THAT HATE THE POLICE, AND THEY ARE THE POLICE.
WAKE UP PEOPLE.
Anonymous said...
The 2 highest bidders came on the job 1968 yep only 2 left from 68 1 to midway 1 to O'Hare now who are the clout bidders?
10/30/2010 10:40:00 AM
That is about impossible, those people are at least 63 tears old! Came on in 1968 at age 21, 42 years later that makes them 63 or damn near 63.
They better not cut back on special out there though, I'd really be pissed about that one.
All special will end on the 11th of Nov....take that to the bank
Last heard a relative of one of the supervisors with 6 years on will be out there soon... it is all legit...
Wouldn't you want more aggressive, sharper and ready to react officers at an airport other than, pardon the expression "old timers".
No. But thanks for asking.
After the shit that happened today, they better up the bids or increase special!
10/30/2010 03:00:00 AM
Or what prima dona?
who is the handjob p.o. @ midway who has his own office and is getting 45 days?
Just wait till the 'auto' carrying police get replaced by the 'laser' ray gun guys......what comes around.....
I've been driving' up and down Madison so long, I didn't even know we had and airport.
I love it when the trolls pull the self-righteous in to tens of comments. Who's the dumb one? Nevermind, continue pontificating on why you know best...
To everyone who responded to "12:33am 5-year wonder" - man, you guys are easy! You couldn't see that he was breaking balls? Holy crap! You got punk'd!
HEY Junior, a wheel gunner here.
I have BOOTS with more time on the job then you do. Probably as smart as you, too. Before you think lowly of me, my College Degree is older then you are. A sheepskin from the U of Anyhere is about as helpful as a bag of ice at the north pole. Everyoe knows you got it, but they don't care, and it doesn't he;p.
That ghetto you slave in, is someones home. (you obviously want to live in Barrington)They've lived there alot longer then you've been making a difference.
Bet your husband wishes he had your balls, you wanting to work the airport after 5 hard years.
Do you have whine with every meal?
Come see me after you call your Clout buddies to land your do nothing spot. I'm the MAN with the 20 year star on my sleeve, working for a living, regardless who they call Supt.
That is about impossible, those people are at least 63 tears old! Came on in 1968 at age 21, 42 years later that makes them 63 or damn near 63.
Quite possible. People were hired at the age of 20 in 1968. I know, I was one. I'm always amazed at the lack of knowledge that permeates the posts. If you're talking about something that happened before you were on the job, why not ask someone who might know. Maybe one of those wheel gun guys.
Hey 5 year wonder, you think the old timers haven't done their time in the ghetto? They did their time just like you are doing yours now.How are you going to feel when you have 20+ on the job and some know it all thinks you haven't earned your spot? Grow up little boy!
Everybody wonders why the airports in Chicago are so vulnerable. I have 21 years on and still work. The ones that go to the airport are the coppers who are in retirement mode. They didn't want to do a damn thing on the streets and avoided every job, no matter how simple. 80 percent of the coppers working the airports are useless. There are 20 percent who are the police and work, but the rest just hide or run from jobs. People knock Aviation Police, who are unarmed, but at least they respond to the calls, while many CPD show up 20 minutes later. I've seen it first hand when they had special at the airports. Especially when the hardest thing they do is get videotaped dancing on segways. This job ain't hard but some just want to collect a check and nothing else.
10/30/2010 12:04:00 PM
You obviously do not work at the airport because no CPD cop shows up late to a call AND dumbo, DOA police do not answer calls. For the sheer number of them out there, you hardly see them because they work checkpoints outside of the airport. Get your facts straight.
Wouldn't you want more aggressive, sharper and ready to react officers at an airport other than, pardon the expression "old timers".
Not when there are more conscientious, wiser and officers that have already done it available.
Wouldn't you want more aggressive, sharper and ready to react officers at an airport other than, pardon the expression "old timers".
10/30/2010 03:28:00 PM
There will be younger officers transferred in the bids too. It's 50/50 so don't think the departments going to fill it up with officers ready to retire.
WOW! Has there ever been a single comment that has gotten slammed more than the first posted on this topic? Whats the record for most slams off one comment scc? haha
WE HAVE PEOPLE OUT HERE THAT HATE THE POLICE, AND THEY ARE THE POLICE.
WAKE UP PEOPLE
yes and sgts are worse but just dont do that to then when they are off duty
who is this 3w LT. O'B... at o'hare who sends a car to p/u 7-11 nachos w/ extra cheese everyday?
To my fellow posters:
12:33AM posted that on purpose. They wanted to be a troll and see how many of you would take the bait. After reading all the responses many of you did.
10/30/2010 12:33:00 AM"
I was serious, and don't call me Shirley.
That's bullshit. I've done my 5 years in the ghetto and put in my par form to go to the airport. Fucking old timers always gotta ruin everythin on the department. Everyone on this job knows that the best police this city ever had got hired after the year 2000. Fucking retire already you useless wheelgun police.
waah waah waah wassa matter lil babee was 002 or 021 too much for you? you need a pillow for ya head ? howzabout some fresh diapers?
Anonymous said...
That's bullshit. I've done my 5 years in the ghetto and put in my par form to go to the airport. Fucking old timers always gotta ruin everythin on the department. Everyone on this job knows that the best police this city ever had got hired after the year 2000. Fucking retire already you useless wheelgun police.
5 years? God Bless ya kid (sincerely) but I did that in court alone.
I'm not busting your balls, as I'm aware there are some hard charging younger coppers out there and some old-timers just standing in place (and vice-versa) but seniority still is the way things are run and hopefully some day you'll look back and be grateful for that reward as well.
Stay Safe,
Retired former wheel gunner
(I did get in and convert to the double-single Beretta that I carried b-4 I retired)
Whoever actually wasted time and answered this goof has no clue that it was a joke.You crusty old fuckers settle down and enjoy your retirement or seniority.Nobody cares how much time you have until they have that much time on.And as for you really old fuckers that ride it till 63 i feel bad for you because these coppers croke a month after retirement.Retire and enjoy the pension and leave this shit behind you.I have nothing but respect for old timers and will never be ashamed to ask them for advice.I wish they would give you old fuckers spots as et's or canine or mounted unit, it would be nice to have something to look forward to when i get old maybe a must have xx years or more kinda thing.
Anonymous said...
That is about impossible, those people are at least 63 tears old! Came on in 1968 at age 21, 42 years later that makes them 63 or damn near 63.
Quite possible. People were hired at the age of 20 in 1968. I know, I was one. I'm always amazed at the lack of knowledge that permeates the posts. If you're talking about something that happened before you were on the job, why not ask someone who might know. Maybe one of those wheel gun guys.
10/30/2010 10:57:00 PM
Isn't 20 years plus 42 years 62 years? Isn't 62 years "damn near 63 years?" Isn't that consistent with the original post?
Enjoy your one year career at the airport polishing your revolver. I retired mine years ago.
OT
To all you new guys/girls coming to MSF get ready for all the long lunches, no jobs, and p.t. you can handle. Watch out however for all the self promoting, back stabbing suck asses running around this place. These are the guys with about 5 years on or less that know it all, and who seem to think crime doesn't exist outside of 010 and 011. In time you'll figure it out.
Also beware of the gossipy tattle tails who will in a second run to your Sgt, partners, or a Lt and fill them in and all behind your back. Yeah instead of addressing a problem head on like an adult, they'll run and tell anyone that will listen in the true fashion of a pussy. You'll find this mostly on the 20 and 15 teams.
All in all it's not a bad spot for all the high school going on.
10/30/2010 04:48:00 AM
Saw the list for the first company. What a joke... No, I'm not salty about me not making it. I'm already in a UNIT. A real unit, you know, a unit where you don't patrol?
Thanks! Gotta Run!
To my fellow posters:
12:33AM posted that on purpose. They wanted to be a troll and see how many of you would take the bait. After reading all the responses many of you did.
And you know this how???
017 isn't the ghetto...yet
But Most of the bosses make you want to leave to go work in the ghetto. At least you know where you stand with the ghetto-ittes. I dont understand what these bosses are so afriad of? Just treat people nice and they will work for you.
I cannot believe all the bent out of shape reactions to the obviously satirical post from 12:33AM, get a grip everybody! It was a joke!!!
Now all you people thinking you’re going to get overtime at the airport, you don't look at the big picture too well. Now that you're headed out to the airport, will they really need people working their day off? Aviation paid for the class of recruits to get the bodies out there so they don’t have to pay so much OT anymore.
I'm sure it's still a better assignment than wherever you are coming from, but it won't be everything you expected, that's for sure.
A word on seniority in regards to special employment opportunities. Yes they should be by seniority but they need to be equitable in regards to the rest of the membership. That means once you get the opportunity you go to the end of the line until your number comes up again. The pool should be across all watches that they offer because you can work any watch on your RDO if given enough time off, your seniority on a particular watch should have no bearing on special employment opportunities, just overall seniority. Just like in a real union if you take a job off the board and it only last for 1 month, well you go back to the bottom of the list regardless of how the job panned out.
And as for you really old fuckers that ride it till 63 i feel bad for you because these coppers croke a month after retirement.
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Opinion and wishes are not facts. If you want to speak with authority, don't blow your cover and say something that can be easily disapproved.
If the airport is just for old timers, then why did the city insist on the 50-50 There are alot of young coppers going there and the ones with clout will be on days Thanks to the FOP thats how it is O'Hare should be just like the districts 80-20
Also if its so bad why were all the phone calls made to go out there
Anonymous said...
For the new bidders, Dan Dugan is going to work you like a dog. Saddle up and get ready to ramble.
Dan still is a hard charger, right? He did give that motivating speech and expects us all to go the extra mile, right?
He put papers in, he gone 15 Nov.
10/30/2010 09:31:00 AM
Dont go away mad, just go away!
"I was serious, and don't call me Shirley.
10/31/2010 12:41:00 AM"
say please, Penelope.
That is about impossible, those people are at least 63 tears old! Came on in 1968 at age 21, 42 years later that makes them 63 or damn near 63.
10/30/2010 08:28:00 PM
You forgot some coppers have "cadet time" with seniority dating to when they were 17-18 years old!
Unless you are a complete dog ass, the airport is a nice retirement spot. Not much going on, it kind of runs itself with a little excitement here and there--such as a drunk passenger, angered passenger, lost or stolen purse and the likes. No place for a young, ghetto warrior.
Put your time in, learn the job, the streets and yourself. Once you've attained that zen level of policing, share it with the younger coppers and when you are ready, find that cushy spot you've rightfully earned and enjoy the greener pastures.
It's all a game. How you play it is up to you. If you let it play you, you will never get to that level of surrenity.
Good luck, be safe, look out for each other, thank you for your service and enjoy the ride.
8 year wonder
its bullshit that some of the p'os talking trash are the same ones that the cadets do work for so "STFU" i think the city F the cadets over me being a cadet myself feels very angry about the desicion. we are going to fight this till the end don't be surprise to see what "these dum cadets come up with. i bet its more then WHAT SOME OF THESE IGNORANT ASS PO'S HAVE DONE IN THERE WHOLE CAREER
Hey Bea, you PROMISED ME!!!!
seniority for cadets only counted for pension, not your actual seniority on the job Dates of seniority for cadets where the date they were hired as a po. That was their CPD seniority date
To my fellow posters:
12:33AM posted that on purpose. They wanted to be a troll and see how many of you would take the bait. After reading all the responses many of you did.
And you know this how???
Answer: because I'm a master of the obvious, of course
Isn't 20 years plus 42 years 62 years? Isn't 62 years "damn near 63 years?" Isn't that consistent with the original post?
Enjoy your one year career at the airport polishing your revolver. I retired mine years ago.
10/31/2010 04:21:00 AM
"That is about impossible" are the first four words of the post. The response is that it is possible. Stay mentally active in retirement. Don't let the attention span slip.
Fucking old timers always gotta ruin everythin on the department. Everyone on this job knows that the best police this city ever had got hired after the year 2000. Fucking retire already you useless wheelgun police.
10/30/2010 12:33:00 AM
You thought provoking douche bag. Some day (if you are lucky)you will be old but not live to be very old with your attitude.
"Also if its so bad why were all the phone calls made to go out there
10/31/2010 09:07:00 AM"
because it's not 'so bad'.
Especially when the hardest thing they do is get videotaped dancing on segways. This job ain't hard but some just want to collect a check and nothing else.
10/30/2010 12:04:00 PM
Don't forget all those part-time jobs with the airport vendors.
Also a free lunch at the Hilton. (a very well kept secret - until now)
seniority dating to when they were 17-18 years old!
CLOUT
negative on 87, what was heard from fop was oct 86 was the last bid, therefore all patrolmen or whatever with less than24 yrs onjust dropped atleast 24 spots in seniority, too bad, soo sad, i'm glad.
/30/2010 08:41:00 PM
Anonymous said...
Wouldn't you want more aggressive, sharper and ready to react officers at an airport other than, pardon the expression "old timers".
No. But thanks for asking.
10/30/2010 09:11:00 PM
Oner of them died of cardiac arrest struggling with a suspect.
Anonymous said...
That is about impossible, those people are at least 63 tears old! Came on in 1968 at age 21, 42 years later that makes them 63 or damn near 63.
10/30/2010 08:28:00 PM
You forgot some coppers have "cadet time" with seniority dating to when they were 17-18 years old!
10/31/2010 10:27:00 AM
Not seniority, pension, you can get cadet time for pension but I do not think it counts for seniority.
Of course I could be wrong and I am frequently.
I wish all you Dugan haters would just shut the fuck up. He was probably the only exempt in the whole department that knew what the hell he was doing when it comes to Police work, particularly that done at field level. This man dedicated his life to this department. I've known him from when he was a gang Sgt years ago. He was a worker then and I'm sure remains one today. I'm not a snitch for him, rarely talk to him and I certainly don't drink the koolaid. The only time I even see him is at Police Officers funerals and even then he always has greeted me, said hello and shook my hand. I don't owe him anything nor does he owe me but I'll tell you this. He has more knowlege in his little finger than all the other exempts do combined, especially that mellon headed Superintendent and his FBI cronies about what a police Officer does, should be, the danger he/she faces and what we need.
I find it disgraceful the way he was treated especially when you look at who replaced him. Even more disgraceful is the way some of the know it alls continue to rip him.This Department is in serious decline and the loss of Dan Dugan merely acclerated that decline.
If the airport is just for old timers, then why did the city insist on the 50-50 There are alot of young coppers going there and the ones with clout will be on days
Great! Let the kids work days and do all the work. The rest of us would rather work midnights.
A word on seniority in regards to special employment opportunities. Yes they should be by seniority but they need to be equitable in regards to the rest of the membership. That means once you get the opportunity you go to the end of the line until your number comes up again. The pool should be across all watches that they offer because you can work any watch on your RDO if given enough time off, your seniority on a particular watch should have no bearing on special employment opportunities, just overall seniority. Just like in a real union if you take a job off the board and it only last for 1 month, well you go back to the bottom of the list regardless of how the job panned out.
Equitable? Oh please! How much time do YOU have on? 5? 10 years? Christ, I'm tired of all the crying from all the new kids about not getting any special. Seniority is about the last, best thing we have left on this job. Start screwing with that and you might as go back to the pre-union days.
Why can't you be happy with what you have NOW? Your seniority only grows with time and before you know it, you will be the old fuck the newbies will keep telling to "RETIRE ALREADY!"
But hey, maybe you have something. How about the department starts manning the tact teams that way too! You go by seniority.....you work on a tact team ( or gun, MSF, TRU, etc) for a period and then go back to the watch. Since you want to be "equitable", you will understand that eveyone in the district must get a chance to work on a TEAM! So you will be more than understanding when you go from those 6 hour days, regular early ducs, 1 hr court days that are counted as a tour of duty and those 2-3 hr lunches back to working a beat car for 8.5 hrs (no early ducs), court is PART of your tour of duty and a 30 min lunch (which will probably get denied because of the RAP).
That is about impossible, those people are at least 63 tears old! Came on in 1968 at age 21, 42 years later that makes them 63 or damn near 63.
Not if you count cadet time, dumba**
"That is about impossible" are the first four words of the post. The response is that it is possible. Stay mentally active in retirement. Don't let the attention span slip.
10/31/2010 04:59:00 PM
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So someone breathlessly posts to a blog about anothers claim, with an excited acknowledgment that although they are calling out the poster for making a post that seems unbelievable it is actually possible?
Wow.
Saw the list for the first company. What a joke... No, I'm not salty about me not making it. I'm already in a UNIT. A real unit, you know, a unit where you don't patrol?
Thanks! Gotta Run!
10/31/2010 05:07:00 AM
Perhaps a British Thermal Unit?
...or maybe you meant a real UNIT like the United Nations Intelligence Taskforce
That is part of The Sontaran Stratagem relative to the Evolution of the Daleks.
Now that's a Unit to be proud of!
To "Anonymous Re: wheelgun police"..Wow a whole 5 years "working in the ghetto" and expect to be taking care of because of that?..Let me guess you bought into the Mayor's bullshit promotional video about taking the polce exam and promising to get into specialized units huh?..You are an embaressment to your co-workers..5 years and i'm noy surprised you aren't bitching for a lock-up/desk bid..take your 5 years and shove it up your a$$..I've got 25 years of which 13+ have been spent working in patrol/gang teams "in the ghetto"..Take your own advice and when you hit 20 years retire, you'll be an old timer by than..Piece of $hit...
I'm suprised some of you bitter "old timer" pricks even know how to use a damn computer to respond to the troll that posted the first comment. I know you are probably the same complainers that cry about how paper was better and the way we used to do this and the way we used to do that was so much better. I want to tell you this, I am one of those under 10 years, I have worked my balls off for my short 8 years. I know that when I have a question I look for the "wheel gun" that is hanging around to look for advice on something, that is if he or she doesn't run in the opposite direction when it looks like I might have something called work in my hands. We are not all "hair gel" police. Maybe the under 30's that have been working in 22, 18, 17 and other non working districts up north are, but not all of us are. Just like not all of you old timers are useless lazy asses, just most. I love hearing how some have put their time in but have floated from such ghettos as 16, 20, and other fine fighting districts. Me myself, I've spent 4 years in the Marines and came here to follow in the foot steps of my father who is still one of those wheel gun police, who spent over 25 years in the south side ghettos before heading north, yet still works his ass off. A lot of the problems on this job are caused by both sides of the fence, the older guys think they are God's gift to the police department as do some of the older ones. Both sides need to quit crying we all have a few common enemies, the garbage on the streets, the current administration, the mayor's office, the alleged union, and ourselves. So instead of each side bitching and crying and pissing and moaning, how about helping each other out? There are things that we know that some of you don't know, and vice versa there are things you know that we don't know. I am not afraid to admit I don't know everything, just like I am not afraid to tell a younger copper that he is acting like a fucking tool, and telling an older copper that he is a dog. There are dogs and morons from both sides. God speed and stay safe. Also stop taking comments on the internet so seriously, it makes you look like an idiot.
As long as everybody pulls their weight at the airport...who cares!!!! And by the way, EVERYBODY should get their facts straight! D.O.A. Police get dispatched and respond to calls too! I work out there I know! Yes they do have the perimeter posts also but they are assigned to vehicle patrol as well as foot patrol in the terminals so get it right! They are on jobs with CPD all the time out there! Lets give a little credit where its due! When CPD has only 2 officers on duty for midnights they might be happy to see those aviation officers if something goes down!
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So someone breathlessly posts to a blog about anothers claim, with an excited acknowledgment that although they are calling out the poster for making a post that seems unbelievable it is actually possible?
Wow.
10/31/2010 08:54:00 PM
As the world beathlessly awaits your next bit of jaded sophistication.
This Department is in serious decline and the loss of Dan Dugan merely acclerated that decline.
He did illustrate the actual cost of buying into that "warrior" thing. Back to the 19th ward, troll.
Answer calls from your house.
... Also stop taking comments on the internet so seriously, it makes you look like an idiot.
Who's taking what seriously ? Get over yourself
Anonymous Anonymous said...
As long as everybody pulls their weight at the airport...who cares!!!! And by the way, EVERYBODY should get their facts straight! D.O.A. Police get dispatched and respond to calls too! I work out there I know! Yes they do have the perimeter posts also but they are assigned to vehicle patrol as well as foot patrol in the terminals so get it right! They are on jobs with CPD all the time out there! Lets give a little credit where its due! When CPD has only 2 officers on duty for midnights they might be happy to see those aviation officers if something goes down!
11/01/2010 09:00:00 AM
Sorry pal the disturbance calls at midway they NEVER show up! Cut the bullshit!
This Department is in serious decline and the loss of Dan Dugan merely acclerated that decline.
10/31/2010 06:11:00 PM
You must be taking hallucinogenic drugs. Dugan is no loss for us. It will be a huge loss for him because he allowed the job to consume his entire life. His transition, at best, will be painful for him.
Airport, the assignment of clout. What other unit can you hit the medical and still work your second job. Even if the job is in Vegas.
Also stop taking comments on the internet so seriously, it makes you look like an idiot.
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Thank God this post isn't serious. It would make you look like an idiot
To the Under 10 Jagweed.
Working your balls off? Are you kidding me? Ask your old man what it was like when he came on. Thirty to forty jobs a night in a shit district back then. No court keys. Court every day. They could change your day off at will. Rotating shifts. You wouldn't know what busy is if it came up and bit you in your ass.
BTW get the fuck out of the union if it isn't doing anything for you. Go pay a lawyer on your own when you step on your dick. Twenty years of paying into legal defense gets used up for one statement at IPRA or IAD, but you probably don't know that either.
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