Friendly Fire
- A nine-year Chicago police officer, shot in the leg after a Halloween police chase on the West Side, appears to have been struck by gunfire from his partner, Superintendent Jody Weis said Monday.
The five-mile chase that began about 5:30 p.m. Sunday at Polk Street and Francisco Avenue was triggered when officers spotted what turned out to be a paintball gun in a vehicle, Weis told reporters. The driver tried to hit the officers with his vehicle before driving away and heading west on the Stevenson Expressway, police said. After exiting at Damen Avenue, the vehicle struck a police vehicle before coming to a stop, authorities said.
The wounded cop's partner fired a shot when he saw the paintball gun raised.
Unfortunately, this happens on occasion. Dynamic, fast paced, split second decisions with no backstops, no do-overs. No one should blame the shooter - the blame lies squarely on those who drive around section of the city, firing paint ball guns at people, then fleeing when caught in their misbehavior. Our fellow officer needs our support following this accident. It could have been much worse.
Labels: officer injured
posted by SCC at 12:07 AM
80 Comments:
"The driver tried to hit the officers with his vehicle before driving away..."
Time for more heavy charges, starting with multiple counts of attempted murder. No bond.
This s__t has gotta stop. Bring back the shotguns. Let the driver have it, and burst the radiator if there's time for another shot. Car'll stop soon enough.
A speedy recovery to the wounded officer and it could happen to any of us, to the partner.
Get well soon officer.
I always said, if you weren't there, stfu about it. You got no business throwing your two cents into it...good luck to both of these coppers and a speedy recovery to the injured officer.
.....its all fun and games until you go on a 5 mile chase and raise up a paintball gun. my goldfish have more brains.
Anyone that wasn't there should not be critical of this officer.
If you aim what appears to be a gun at a police officer, you should expect to be shot dead. Period.
I was on scene when shots were fired, I place blame on no one it was a little intense but I would tell my fellow brothers and sisters we must be more tactful out there and communicate because it could have been avoided. All in all good job, could have been worse.
Screw it. Stuff happens. As long as the good guys come out on top, anything is manageable. I'd rather have a partner that accidentally shoots me trying to defeat a threat, than some scary motherf!@#er that would never pull the trigger.
Sounds like the shooter has a years worth of picking up the lunch bill though.
Really?!? We are supposed to support this goof who doesn't seem to understand the philosophy that once a fellow officer goes in to handcuff, you direct your weapon in safe direction and remove your finger from the trigger? I completely support the injured officer, but Joe-MSF-NG with all his high speed training pops a cap in a fellow officer and "We" are supposed to support him? And exactly how many times have you seen this happen? I have been on 19+ and I can literally recall one time where a copper shot another copper. You know why it happened then? Same reason it happened now, because some goof didn't take his training seriously and can't handle his weapon properly. So, no I don't feel sorry for the goof who had a negligent discharge. And for the record, No...I have never had a accidental/negligent discharge. I same retread his ass throught the entire 40 hour range course again.
Nice training MSF.
This does INDEED happen frequently SCC. Range Instructors see a lot of stuff BEFORE it gets bad. Add adrenalin and fear and things change as guys and gals forget what their back drop is. The officer that shot will unfortunately feel an enormous amount of guilt...which is normal. The officer that shot may consider leaving the job from shame too. This happens. We always hope to learn from things that we did, and don't think for a minute that any young Cop wih 5 years or less hasn't done SOMETHING that they could turn the clock back on. Let's give them both our support.
There is no such thing as perfection in life. Best wishes to both officers involved. This job can be dangerous.
Even big city SWAT team members shoot the wrong people sometimes. During a hostage rescue in Afghanistan Navy Seals killed the wrong person. All you can do is train and train and hope for the best.
What a terrible accident. Of course, it's not the offenders fault. It never is.
You are 100% right on this SCC. We always want to pile on each other for every mistake. I have done some really stupid shit but thankfully I never got caught. Despite all the training in the world the military has a huge problem with friendly fire. Accidents happen.
Quick clot kit, and know how to use it. Its still no substitute for a paramedic, it just stops the bleed-out until CFD gets there.
Get ready for the armchair quarterbacking.
I would da..
He should da..
He could da..
When I was in Nam/sandbox, I did da...
Glad the PO is safe.
Everyone look closely at 3:48 AM - this is the kind of crap we have to read on a daily basis. We ask for tolerance, understanding and support for a fellow officer and look what we get.
And he claims to have 19 years on? A-fucking-mazing. Looks like he didn't learn even the rudiments of police work in those supposed years.
I remember some years back when we had a "Blue on Blue" accidental shooting trying to get a barricaded suspect. We were all ordinary district blueshirts and sergeants and we met in our favorite gin mill after it was over.
We thought the wounded officer would loose his job but he is still around today.
Back then, all of us wanted to know where is so and so, the cop who fired the errant shots. He has to be feeling terrible. We found him right outside and told him everyone in there is your friend. He came in and we were all better for it.
I hope the current administration does not hurt anyone needlessly but I can just imagine Shorshanks hitting the roof about the pursuit. He could care less that the bad guys could have had an AK-47. A crash could have cost money that could buy some flower pots from his pals. So Shorty probably called Jody fuming and tell him to burn all the officers involved.
And Note to IPRA: As far as going down on the air while involved in the pursuit, we have to keep the air clear and isn't that what the GPS is for. Hold off on that and wait for the administration to change.
I have to go VOTE now, have you.
to: "Nice training MSF.
11/02/2010 03:48:00 AM"
You are a ( fill in the blank ).
We need to heal all wounds now, but you can't fix somethings.
I doubt you were there as it was not an MSF officer, but it could have been any one of us.
One of those paintball assholes got my car once at the Kennedy split. He pulled off at Montrose and because of the amount of traffic, I couldn't get over to follow him.
Ummmm...Partner...you owe me car washes for a year and all the beer I can drink. Other than that we're good.
Seriously though...glad it wasn't worse.
hopefully the officer who was shot will make a full recovery and have no long term disability from his gunshot wound---- I am sure that the officer who accidentally shot him is not feeling to good right now---- it was a minor miracle that the chase up in 016 a few weeks ago did not result in the serious injury or death to an officer or the bad guy--- remember what started all this, jag offs who are out committing crimes and run from the police--- let's place the blame on them and support the officer who this happened to.....
SCC says: We ask for tolerance, understanding and support for a fellow officer.
You are so right SCC. Thank you.
To the officer involved: Find peace within yourself and with the injured officer. You were there doing the right thing. For what it's worth, you have my understanding.
Thank you SCC for addressing the jag off at 3:48. So what if the officer was from/came from MSF. Did you know the injured PO (get well) also came from MSF prior to being in 010? Knowing that, you probably want to blame him for jumping in front of another officer's gun. I hate that some POs talk about POs from units like they aren't also CPD. This shit is petty and ridiculous.
the last time I was riding down the expressway I recall seeing a sign in a construction zone which stated that you will get 14 years in prison for hitting and killing a worker---- that is for an accident----- how many years do you get for intentionally trying to run down officers during the commission of a crime..... anita alvarez, would you care to chime in....
GET WELL SOON OFFICER!
Not "armchair quarterbacking", but if it's detemined rthat the partner mishandled his weapon, get him the support he might need.(ie; psychological and firearms training) His career may be ruined because of this, but if he/she decides to stay on, he/she will definitely need some counseling and remedial firearms training. Because if the officer decides to stay on the job, NONE of us need back up that may be "gun shy" in a deadly use of force situation.
So let's not crucify the officer. Let the investigation and facts be determined and hope that the injured officer can make a speedy recovery and the partner also makes it through this unfortunate incident.
PS: Get that beer money saved kid. You'll be buyin for a LONG time! lol
The officer who shot works in 010 not MSF so quit hating on the unit.
I was sick of the gossip & hearsay in regards to this incident.
Thanks for posting this, SCC!
It's like high school with guns, plain & simple.
is the medical integrity unit also employing a little friendly fire of their own---- 7 officers apparently stripped and placed in a no pay status for medical roll abuses over the weekend....
I wish the wounded officer a speedy recovery. Take care of yourself.
To his partner who accidently shot him; don't blame yourself or listen to idiots who second guess you. You did what was necessary to save your life and your partners life.
Thankfully, everything worked out.
I have been on 19+
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GFU Jag!! If you were not there then you should have nothing to say. You do not know the copper who shot nor his training. You are as bad as the second guessing liberal assholes who talk shit without knowing.
Oh and by the way 19+?? I doubt it...sounds like no more than 6
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Really?!? We are supposed to support this goof who doesn't seem to understand the philosophy that once a fellow officer goes in to handcuff, you direct your weapon in safe direction and remove your finger from the trigger? I completely support the injured officer, but Joe-MSF-NG with all his high speed training pops a cap in a fellow officer and "We" are supposed to support him? And exactly how many times have you seen this happen? I have been on 19+ and I can literally recall one time where a copper shot another copper. You know why it happened then? Same reason it happened now, because some goof didn't take his training seriously and can't handle his weapon properly. So, no I don't feel sorry for the goof who had a negligent discharge. And for the record, No...I have never had a accidental/negligent discharge. I same retread his ass throught the entire 40 hour range course again.
Nice training MSF.
11/02/2010 03:48:00 AM
I respectfully disagree with you office. Were you on scene? Were you ever in a situation where you had to make that critical decision to shoot or not to shoot? Were you ever in a tense situation where you had to make a split decision judgment?
I seriously doubt you have on any of the questions I asked and you have 19 years on the job.
You sir are a classic Monday morning quarterback. Thanks for being such a supportive officer.
To the officer who inadvertently shot his partner- don't listen to people like the above officer. You did what you had to do to save your life and the life of your partner. You didn't do anything wrong.
When we are out there together, we are responsible for watching each other's backs. When the shit hits the fan, strange things happen. This whole situation could have been a lot worse, in that the shitbag could have had a real gun. Thank God he wasn't able to kill any of our fellow officers. I'm sure this officer's partner feels gulty, but you know what? Shit happens, everyone will be ok and all will go home to their families. That is the ONLY thing we can hope and pray for everyday on this job.
"We thought the wounded officer would loose his job but he is still around today. "
"Back then, all of us wanted to know where is so and so, the cop who fired the errant shots. He has to be feeling terrible. We found him right outside and told him everyone in there is your friend. He came in and we were all better for it."
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This is how it should be. Now and forever. Never break ranks. Support each other always.
I was there, and I'm critical. Wash the gel out of your hair.
Hey 3:48AM... you sir are a true asshat. First off he wasn't from MSF, but you know everything right? Second, I spoke with PO's who where there (which I'm sure you were not) and they all said it appeared to be a ricochet that hit the officer. And 3rd, it can happen to anyone (except you of course cause you're sooo perfect). I've been on the job 5 years and I have heard of at least 3 similar incidents. And before you rant with the hair gel b.s. (that means you w.side inside do nothing) I go to work every day expecting to learn something from someone with more knowledge and experience than me, and plan to do so every day til I leave this job. But it's not like I'll every learn anything from the likes of you, you're too busy up on your soap box bitching all the time and are so bitter that you'll never share your expertise with a worthless "hair gel." And by the way, I use mousse, so get it straight :)
Sorry for the unsolicited attack on w.side inside, but you constant gripes are exactly whats wrong with this dept. Instead of sticking together and focusing on the people that are trying to fu@$, we piss and moan about a fellow blue shirt getting a duck or choosing to get off a beat car if the opportunity presents itself. There are a lot of problems with this dept, so lets not make it worse with all the in fighting. But then again you are only making yourself miserable. I still enjoy going to work.
Sorry for the rant SCC, felt it needed to be said.
BD
A 5 year wonder who doesn't think he knows everything
Get well wishes Officer. Find some guys with experience to work with after you heal up.
Hoping for a speedy recovery for the officer, and the best for his partner. Blue on blue happens, its a terrible thing and I am sure he had dreadful feelings about it, but its one of the risks of the job. My brother caught a round that way while serving a warrant. (different department)He was a little pissed, but understands how this stuff happens.
Again, best wishes to all involved.
There are way too many people on this job who should not be the police.
Amen, SCC. And don't forget to keep a good thought for the officer who inadvertently shot his partner. It could hppen to any of us and the feelings of guilt must be hard to deal with.
"Friendly Fire" since 1966
Det. Edward MADDEN, Area 6 Robbery
EOW: 9/28/72 at 1464 W. Olive
P.O. Jay BRUNKELLA, 24th Dist.
EOW: 10/4/1986 at 1631 W. Jonquil Terr.
REST IN PEACE, ED and JAY
WE REMEMBER
3:48am is right. Pay attention and resort back to your training. Get the PO some additional time at the range to address the issue and resolve it. Nobody is blaming him.
I think it bares repeating that the P.O. firing the shot was from 010, NOT MSF! I get that a lot of you hate every fucking unit in the department, but please, at least try to support your stupidity with factual statements.
I live in the republican ward. went to vote. filled out the ballot. then they telll me the counting machine is down. so I had to put my ballot in the big blue box. great. glad I wasted my time......
s the medical integrity unit also employing a little friendly fire of their own---- 7 officers apparently stripped and placed in a no pay status for medical roll abuses over the weekend....
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If it is found that the officers who were stripped are abusing the medical, fire them. Immediately. Abusers will eventually ruin it for all of us.
Hey 3:48, the offender was pointing the gun at officers when the shot was fired. 19+ years on? You should know better, shame on you.
Best wishes to both officers. "There, but for thegrace of God, go I". This could be any one of us. Let's pull together and back one another!
This was fortunately the tragedy that it could have been, but the fact that so many of you are so willing to ablosve the officer that fired the shot of all blame distresses me. While I agree that the human thing to do is to be supportive of him, at the same time criticism of his actions are called for. You can't simply say that this ia an acceptable hazard, dammit, this is not supposed to happen, when it does, somebody made a mistake and that mistake should be discovered in the hope of avoiding it in the future. Maybe the best way to react is to face up to a lapse in judgement, talk it over and then get on with life.
"How many years do you get for intentionally trying to run down officers during the commission of a crime..... Anita Alvarez, would you care to chime in...."
--11/02/2010 09:07:00 AM
They socked it real good to that Miguel idiot, the one who tried to run over cops starting with bicycle officers at Town Hall and ending with driving up the sidewalk by Irving/Marmora with twenty squads after him.
Let it be known that we're watching these real close. This is not a video game out here. These lethal step-on-its have to stop; either the police blow their heads off on the street in self-defense or the prosecutors put them away for the rest of their natural lives -- and these attempted mass killings and their results should be top-of-page-1 in every paper in town, lead story on every TV station in town, if the editors really are as concerned about "crime" as they claim to be.
Glad he was only hit in the foot. You cops have a dangerous job and something like this is going to happen. Training can only minimize it but you cannot eliminate it entirely. When you think about it, there have been some cases in Chicago history where bullets have been flying between cops and bad guys and it is amazing that more people have not been inadvertently hit when the lead starts flying in an urban enviornment. Now lets seen the S/A get some jail time for these shit heads. They could have also killed other motorists with their criminal activity and how do you reduce crime? Put criminals in jail.
And for the record, No...I have never had a accidental/negligent discharge. I same retread his ass throught the entire 40 hour range course again.
Nice training MSF.
11/02/2010 03:48:00 AM
You sir are a J.O.
1. never second guess another officer.
2. Accidents and decisions are part of the job.
Sometimes small sometimes fatal.
"Quick clot kit, and know how to use it. Its still no substitute for a paramedic, it just stops the bleed-out until CFD gets there."
--11/02/2010 07:41:00 AM
Yeah, that is what they call it -- some special powder on a field dressing, I believe. Read about this as a military development from the Iraq war, along with uniforms that have built-in tourniquets on arms and legs. All an outgrowth of the terrible injuries there from IEDs.
An appropriate "quick-clot kit" should be issued to every officer, and the procedure taught. Every soldier since God knows when has been issued a field dressing to carry on the personal gear. Put up the "pressure point chart," too, where people will see it every day.
Bad things can happen in a dangerous environment -- I just started thinking about other jobs. Ever watch an engineer in the cab and two switchmen on the ground, coupling, uncoupling, throwing switches, kicking quarter-million-pound railroad cars down the right track so that they barely "kiss" the last one?
Talk about communication, and always knowing where the other man is...you stand quietly and just watch from a distance, not wanting to distract anyone.
"Si," you will be told over a cold one. "Eet ees danyerous yob!"
Bright safety vest, hard hat, work gloves, radio, pants tucked into boots, and the boots the best you can get, with a good strong heel that stops your foot from sliding through the stirrup step when you're riding that car...
Scrap yards, construction, making steel, fixing boilers.
I've got a rope in my hands, and my father is on the other end -- goggles and boiler suit in a confined, hot, hazardous space. If he stops talking to me, I start pulling him out. If I can't, I DON'T GO IN WHERE I'LL BE OVERCOME TOO. Agreed fallback is to run and call the firemen for a rescue.
(OK -- the trick is to tie a short rope around each ankle, leaving about 18" or so slack. The pull-out rope is tied to the center of this short rope, so when you pull the feet and legs come together and kind of "streamline" things for the person to slide back out of the access manhole. You hope.)
One of the days that helped a kid become a man. Life/death...that is one of the places I first learned some responsibility for others when working together. Have a plan, be mindful, be watchful, announce your presence, communicate your intentions...
...now do it with someone trying to kill you, and with lots of innocent people all around that you don't want to hurt. It's a tall order, and I know everyone does the absolute best that they can in the half-second they may have to make a decision.
God bless all involved, and a speedy recovery to the injured officer.
The person who caused this situation has gone to great lengths to demonstrate his unfitness to live among civilized people, and he needs to be put where he'll never step on a gas pedal again...
Just back from voting.
In response to a poster on the earlier thread on this subject.
>>>Anonymous said...
Do any medics or former military have any suggestions where I can get "combat live saving injury training?" I would take it on my own time and spend my own money to have that knowledge. I have many, many years on the street but no military training. I doubt our local colleges have that type of course.
11/01/2010 11:31:00 PM<<<
Chicago City Colleges have:
Emergency Medical Technician (EMT)
Degree: Basic Certificate (BC)
9 Credit Hours
Program/Plan Number: 0867
(And advance courses.)
I took this course about 30 years ago and it has come in handy many times. It included an ambulance ride-a-long and a shift in an E.R. I've always carried my medic kit.
This is available for City Tuition Reimbursement and the hours can help build a degree.
It teaches you, don't just stand there. Do something!
Hey, go for it, the life you save may be mine.
So, no I don't feel sorry for the goof who had a negligent discharge. And for the record, No...I have never had a accidental/negligent discharge. I same retread his ass throught the entire 40 hour range course again.
Nice training MSF.
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OK, Supe. We understand your position. So rather than offering the shooter some support and understanding, we should re-enact the scouring at the pillar THAT will make him feel better.
Did you flunk out of moron school or graduate with honors?
I don't blame the POs, shitbird with paintball was to blame. Hopefully PO shot gets same recognition as swat sgt that was shot in vest and swat po shot in foot both shot by friendly fire (seperate incidents) both got the blue shield award.
To his partner who accidently shot him; don't blame yourself or listen to idiots who second guess you. You did what was necessary to save your life and your partners life.
Really! I hope you learn something from this Terrible mistake you made.
If it is found that the officers who were stripped are abusing the medical, fire them. Immediately. Abusers will eventually ruin it for all of us.
The only ones to get fired will be those with out juice.
felt it needed to be said.
Got low self esteem?
"Scrap yards, construction, making steel, fixing boilers. "
Glad somebody does this stuff and I respect the hell out of it. Too much like real work, my family has police, carpenters, grocers, coal miners, shipping agents, barbers and drapery makers.
Stay safe. It takes all kinds.
There by the grace of God go I.
We are all human. This could be any one of us. Thank God the officer is okay. I don't think his poor partner needs anyone judging him.
We get enough criticism from everyone else. Please let's not do it to each other. Please don't make the partner feel worse than he probably already does.
Anonymous said...
"Quick clot kit, and know how to use it. Its still no substitute for a paramedic, it just stops the bleed-out until CFD gets there."
--11/02/2010 07:41:00 AM
It just stops the bleed out on the outside. If an artery is cut inside, how you gonna get the powder in there? Pack the wound or something and hope for the best.
EMT is basic stuff, glorified first aid, I had one when I came on the CPD. You need more if you think you might deal with life threatening wounds. Still, the clot stuff is better than no clot stuff. Also bandages etc with the clotting agent in the fabric.
Do what you can and wait for the ambulance. If I am shot I hope to hell my partner has sense to get me in an ambulance. The one or two or three minutes it might save to shove me in a squad car are not worth the lack of life support available from paramedics and an ALS ambulance.
Given the choice I will wait for an ambulance every time. That race to the hospital in a squad car shit is from the 1960's and TV.
You have Advanced Life Support on wheels with red and white paint and lights and sirens and telemetry that connects to a hospital and radio communication direct to a doctor. Or a rough ride in a Tahoe or Ford Crown Vic with life trickling away and no life support whatsoever.
A no brainer.
I was involved in an accidental discharge incident 22 years ago. My partner almost blew my balls off. Nothing lost, just got me puckered up is all.
He claimed to not know what happened. What happened is his finger was on the trigger as he was putting his gun away and BOOM! I felt the muzzle blast in a most private spot.
An offender was killed by an accidental discharge in 1990 and a police officer in 1986. It happens. Train regularly to help prevent that shit.
to 03:48, Hey Asshole, Yes I do mean Asshole, Shit like this happens and I'm sure this young PPO feels like SHIT, But bottom line is he reacted to the situation, yes he does need more training and he will get it,he did what was expected when he thought the bad guys had guns, But it was no MSF copper who did this, In fact PO. Stiles from MSF ripped off his police shirt to make a bandage and tournqette to stop the bleeding. I'm an MSF Sgt. with alot of years on the job who was on the scene and he was there shaking in the cold but never complained he was only too happy toi lend a hand, stop hating the world of working coppers because guys like you have ruined the job, you may have thought about doing police work but were overruled by your stupidity, Be Safe Out There officers.
Jeez, a lot of armchair quarterbacks out there. Tell you one fact, Jody ran his mouth and got it wrong again. It wasn't the officer's partner who fired at the bad guy and struck the officer.
Just what the fuck kind of a department have we become? It used to be us against them. Now coppers are throwing stones at other coppers. Cut the guy some slack. What ever happened to taking care of our own? Nice to know so many of you dickwads are perfect.
Unless you have been in a shooting and not just heard about one, take some advice and shut the fuck up. You're no better than that jagoff J-Fed who loves to run his mouth. He never was and never will be the police.
Really?!? We are supposed to support this goof who doesn't seem to understand the philosophy that once a fellow officer goes in to handcuff, you direct your weapon in safe direction and remove your finger from the trigger? I completely support the injured officer, but Joe-MSF-NG with all his high speed training pops a cap in a fellow officer and "We" are supposed to support him? And exactly how many times have you seen this happen? I have been on 19+ and I can literally recall one time where a copper shot another copper. You know why it happened then? Same reason it happened now, because some goof didn't take his training seriously and can't handle his weapon properly. So, no I don't feel sorry for the goof who had a negligent discharge. And for the record, No...I have never had a accidental/negligent discharge. I same retread his ass throught the entire 40 hour range course again.
Nice training MSF.
11/02/2010 03:48:00 AM
Hey pussy boy were you there? Then go fuck yourself.
Shit happens.
It appears you must be the only perfect person on the job.
How is it up there on your perch looking down at us mortals?
Do the rest of us a favor and stay away from our jobs.
To everyone else, stay safe!
Anonymous said...
I was sick of the gossip & hearsay in regards to this incident.
Thanks for posting this, SCC!
It's like high school with guns, plain & simple.
11/02/2010 09:26:00 AM
So you mean like CPS high schools.
EVERY officer should get some basic first aid training and some gear to carry with them every day.
An EMT-Basic program is a GREAT way to go, but might be a little involved for some people. There are local companies that run shorter programs. Leomedicus, Asymmetric Combat Institute, and Spartan Tactical Training Group all have solid programs. CFD is going to take a few minutes to get there. We owe it to ourselves to be able to do something until they show up.
To all of the officers that assisted me on I 55 and Damen on Sunday 31 OCT 10….
I want to extend my sincerest gratitude regarding that night. All officers went above and beyond to assist me when I got shot. To clarify, I was working with a PPO but he was not the one who shot me. Our job requires us to make a split second decisions and sometime, it’s unfortunate but things like this happen.
Considering the high stress situation, everyone did everything perfect. I had one officer using his belt to make a turnikit (to that officer, I still have your belt-let me know where to drop it off), another officer took the shirt off his back to prevent me from bleeding out, officers held my hands, a Sergeant elevated my leg, everyone assisted until the ambulance arrived... It did take a little bit of time for them to show up, but I know they have a tough job too. Thank you to all officers that assisted me- from the ones on the scene, to the ones working the 012th district who blocked off traffic to get me to the hospital quicker. Thanks to ones who picked up my wife and all the officers and bosses who came to visit me as well. It was very nice to have so much support for me and my family. I was able to come home today at 1330 hours. I am hoping to make a full recovery. I have some nerve damage which will hopefully not be permanent. Stay safe and back each other up!
Sincerely,
Brain R. Alaniz
010th District
Friendly Fire is a training issue. More and more people coming on the job never handled a gun. Friendly Fire will continue as long as the Department lacks firearms training and the college students from Chicago never go to the gun ranges in the suburbs.
This is the third incident this year. Remember the guy with the knife downtown and there was the other one from the south side District.
Stay safe and always point the muzzle in a safe direction or at what you intend to shoot.
" An Old Sgt. Said" Your a complete fucking asshole. I guess Camp is a idiot. I guess Francis is a idiot. Mistakes happen. I bet if we page through your life we'd find a shit load. Northside also adds a few from friendly fire. How many times have police fired thier weapons and how many rounds actually hit there target?? Those rounds go somewhere dip shit. Always have. Go fuck yourself Mr. perfect. Anyone remember Harry M from 009. Shot himself by accident. It happens. It happens in combat all the time.
"I was able to come home today at 1330 hours. I am hoping to make a full recovery. I have some nerve damage which will hopefully not be permanent.Sincerely,
Brain R. Alaniz
010th District"
--11/02/2010 10:34:00 PM
There is nothing we like to hear better. Thanks for taking the time to fill us in. The whole crew at SCC is pullin' for ya.
"Friendly Fire is a training issue. More and more people coming on the job never handled a gun. Friendly Fire will continue as long as the Department lacks firearms training and the college students from Chicago never go to the gun ranges in the suburbs."
--11/02/2010 10:42:00 PM
I came from a family that had a lot of people who worked for the great east coast gunmakers, we had guns in the house, I read very intensively on firearms from an early age, accumulating quite a bookshelf, and then got my own guns the second I was legally old enough to, and I learned reloading and some repair and machine work as well. I could "clean up," strip and de-burr and smooth out a new gun, and then practiced at reassembling it blindfolded, just by feel. You won't necessarily ever have to do this, but you sure learn the piece that way. I went target shooting every chance I got.
Like you say, a big difference from today's college kids.
I've heard experienced military officers describing new soldiers these days in the same way; many were just "bullet traps;" wouldn't seek cover, wouldn't fire back, just stand there with their mouths open. Not to put anyone down, that's just the way it was due to the same reasons.
Thanks, anti-gunners, for doing so much to remove shooting and hunting from American life. You have the blood of many innocents on your hands for so doing. You have probably cost far more lives than you've ever saved.
A couple of hundred golf courses in this county -- and how many shooting ranges?
...and now they want to stop the Chicago Police Department from having a firing range because of "birds."
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"In fact PO. Stiles from MSF ripped off his police shirt to make a bandage and tournqette to stop the bleeding. I'm an MSF Sgt. with alot of years on the job who was on the scene and he was there shaking in the cold but never complained he was only too happy toi lend a hand,"
The Sergeantly thing to do would be to buy your hard charger a new shirt. Put up or shut the fuck up,Sarge. Yes You Sgt Assclown GFY
It's posters like 3:48 who make me want to drop a big fat turd on the bathroom floor in the commander's office.
To Brain R. Alaniz
010th District
Never met ya brother. But what a class act you are. What a great post. Heal well Office!
Not a cop, but a 3rd generation competition shooter who sees some of you professionally. How many CPD can you stuff in a pickup truck, for God's sake? ;)
I just lurk and stay in my lane on this board, but some of this shit I just read is really pissing me off. Some of you need a fucking reality check.
There are two kinds of shooters (assuming you shoot on a regular basis, 19 year asshole), those that have had an ND, and those that will. That's why you hold the Four Rules sacrosanct and pray that when your humanity catches up with you you're only violating one rule and there is no harm done. We're human, shit happens to the best. Unless you never touch your weapon, 19 year asshole. Then you'll never have an ND.
That's in my prissy square range world. Now add some asshole trying to shoot me, everybody moving, in the dark, limited situational awareness, trying to fight the stress response, goodguys downrange doing the exact same things I am, and NOW I have to make a split-second, live or death decision? Fuck ME. I fire more training rounds in a month than you guys get in a year, and in the depths of my heart I don't know if I could make that decision quick enough.
This poor officer was forced to, and shit happened. Assuming it wasn't an ND, he needs your support right now, almost as much as Officer Alaniz does. Him writing that post shows more honor and class than most of you will ever be lucky enough to see. You assholes talking shit should try to be worthy of it.
And Officer Alaniz, my family is praying for you. Thank you, sir.
I think 3:48 took the dump on the comanchies floor. Initial reports from the crime lab are saying the turd in question was dressed in full scale riot gear bearing a tazer in one hand and a "dog the bounty hunter" sized pepper spray can in the other.
Stop the political hiring of unqualified and grossly incompetant people and this wont happen.
I have been involved in a close quarter gun battle with a bad guy and multiple officers shooting. It is very easy to get put in a friendly fire situation. As a department as a whole we need to work on our tactical training because your ability to think, hear, and see are limited once the first shot is fired. P.O. Alaniz get well soon. The officer who fired the shot I can only imagine what you are going through. It was an accident. Talk with the EAP and stay safe most of us understand.
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