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Memo to property owners who have still not shoveled their sidewalks: Not only does a Chicago ordinance require it, the law also protects those who might not do a perfect job from being sued.
From the Municipal Code Section 10-8-190: “Any person who removes snow or ice from the public sidewalk or street, shall not, as a result of his acts or omissions in such removal, be liable for civil damages. This section does not apply to acts or omissions amounting to wilful or wanton misconduct in such snow or ice removal.”
We're assuming it's an ANOV? There are swaths of the city that haven't shoveled, and probably haven't paid taxes in years. Perhaps if everyone signed out a ticket book and generated some revenue....
Aw, who are we kidding?
Aw, who are we kidding?
Labels: money questions
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
53 Comments:
Unfortunately the people in those areas don't own their homes either. The landlord usually lives far far away.
I just read that Preckwinkle wants to give one of her campaign contributors who already works for the County of Crook a $43,000 raise
This pesons salary is already about $111,000
That didnt take long
What a crooked lying bitch
And why would I anov an eighty year old woman who couldn't get her place shoveled out on MY schedule?
BAD precedent. I am NOT going to shill for this, or ANY administration.
'There are swaths of the city that haven't shoveled, and probably haven't paid taxes in years. Perhaps if everyone signed out a ticket book and generated some revnue'
a classic Catch-22, if ever there was one.
unless, fines were deducted from their link cards.......
Gun Control Bill -- heh...
Gun control issues were the focus of the first bills filed by State Sen. Shane Cultra (R-Onarga).
[...]
In January, Cultra filed a bill concerning gun-free zones, but already has changed his mind and determined not to move that forward due to “backlash” from the business community and concern for schools.
Senate Bill 48, which came to Cultra from Illinois Rifle Association, would make any organization, business, agency of government or other entity that creates a gun-free zone financially liable in cases when “a reasonable person would believe that possession of a firearm could have helped” someone defend themselves from criminal conduct in that zone.
That would mean that anybody, including a school district or a university, would have to pay all costs and attorney’s fees in those situations, and it would mean higher insurance costs for those entities.
“When I got to looking at it and the business community saw it — it’s an unfunded mandate for universities and an unfunded mandate for businesses, and… it’s not something I would want to carry,” Cultra said. “Schools have enough unfunded liabilities now that they don’t need something else to worry about.”
http://www.newstrib.com/articles/news/local/default.asp?article=25892&aname=Lawmakers+to+target+state+spending%2C+gun+control+in+fresh+session
watch the illegals and the sheads walking through your hood in front of the nice house and slip and fall
We're assuming it's an ANOV? There are swaths of the city that haven't shoveled, and probably haven't paid taxes in years. Perhaps if everyone signed out a ticket book and generated some revnue
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Oh right ...
if they don't pay the ANOV the city will take their property away?
keep dreamin'
I know I've already seen this written here before, but why not REQUIRE X amount of public service in exchange for all of the free money and services that our government is so fond of giving away?
If each recipient of a welfare check, Link card, or other such payment HAD TO step outside and shovel for a few hours in order to receive their next installment, the City would be clean as a whistle.
The problem is, without an incentive to work or even help out a little (the old carrot on a stick theory), these people will NEVER be productive members of society. Maybe its time to explore a system where the amount of free money is lowered and the amount taken away can be pooled for those who are willing to work to earn extra dollars. Don't listen to anyone yelling that that's not fair. If they don't like it, they can go get a REAL job and have more cash than they would have had on the welfare rolls.
Anyone collecting government checks should also lose them if they are ever arrested buying street drugs. If they can afford THAT, they have too much money already and don't need welfare.
Does anyone stop the welfare payments to those who are incarcerated? There's another way to help balance the budget.
Hey, I got a million of 'em!
Groupon: for $9 you get an adult admission to the Art Institute of Chicago (up to an $18 value). This Groupon expires March 15.
Here's a chance to save a little money on the next recruit field trip.
I would LOVE to see a ticket blitz on all the unshoveled properties in 022. Could be a great bonus for the city budget AND a boost to public safety.
29 and a day said...
I just read that Preckwinkle wants to give one of her campaign contributors who already works for the County of Crook a $43,000 raise
This pesons salary is already about $111,000
That didnt take long
What a crooked lying bitch
2/12/2011 12:23:00 AM
Gotta clear some Stroger salary space so she can bring in HER political hacks...
Politicians ... They're all the same. They lie to your face till people decide to give them their sacred vote, then it's steal and plunder and business as usual till we get tired of them and vote in a different crew of lying bastards.
Doesn't anyone have any honor anymore?
How about ticketing the owner of a property for no address on their garage as well?
I shovel the walks for 4 older, single women on my block. I don't always get them done by 10:00 AM. To even suggest giving these taxpayers an ANOV/tickets for not shoveling would be criminal. The way children and seniors are treated is a reflection of society.
I couldn't get my car out of my alley till Friday after the snow. thank goodness my 90 yoa mother has great neighbors that helped shovel her out. If anyone gave Mom a ticket, I would have to kick their ass.
I have a car and it's parked on the street and it's covered with snow from the plows. They buried my car, I can't wait for some eager beaver to come and ticket it because it hasn't been moved for a week.
What's up with the story in the papers from Cook County that Cook County employees wo showed up for work during the blizzard were getting bonuses? Hey Daley: I showed up too. And worked a 13 hr shift. Besides my OT where's my bonus?
Tribune; Animals removed from overcrowded shelter.
Which City warming center did they close?
Are we also responsible to shovel
in front of the abandoned building
or vacant lot on either side or our
property ? Just askin' for
clarification.
It is doubtful that the city has any actual authority to provide for civil immunity for anything, much less snow removal.
Don't be railing on Preckwinkle just yet. Didn't you read the article. The woman who got the raise was well deserving of it. After all, she's working a full TWO months already and her responsibilities have really expanded since then. Not only that, but she did contribute $2500 to Preckwinkles election. If she isn't deserving for that raise now, I don't know what else qualifies.....(sarcasm).
Hey 05:33 AM --
Pres. Reagan tried to do so, called it "Workfare", I believe. Tip O'Neill and the Dummycrats made short work of that idea. Y'know, you can't pass any bills that might in the slightest negatively impact their loyal voter base.
-- An Old Retired Sgt.
Doesn't anyone have any honor anymore?
2/12/2011 07:23:00 AM
No., not for a long time.
And, neither has business and politicians.
When these Aldermanic candidates knock on your door talking about pension reform, demand that they support criminal charges against Allison Davis and Robert Vanecko.
Financial Crimes Of A Capital Nature.....rotten sons of bitches. Stealing from retired people.
I can't wait to try out of here. The Alderman make any law they want and the stupid public are mad at us when its endorsed.
Wikipedia:
Involuntary servitude is a United States legal and constitutional term for a person laboring against that person's will to benefit another, under some form of coercion other than the worker's financial needs.
The Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution makes involuntary servitude illegal under any U.S. jurisdiction whether at the hands of the U.S. government or in the private sphere, except as punishment for a crime: "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."
In some areas of WI, they add it onto your tax bill.
"And why would I anov an eighty year old woman who couldn't get her place shoveled out on MY schedule?"
--2/12/2011 12:52:00 AM
Huh?
You wouldn't.
You'd write Commonwealth Edison and Burger King and Pep Boys and all kinds of huge banks and real estate firms, absentee owners of vacant lots and "FOR LEASE" buildings -- any number of large, affluent property owners who don't give a damn about the law or the public well-being. The names and phone numbers of the companies are usually on a big sign stuck right in the lot or on the front of the bulding.
Look around you on any arterial street in daylight.
Millions of dollars worth of sitting ducks.
R E A D.
NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT "RECIPIENTS OF LINK CARDS."
I was out walking -- or trying to -- for four hours the other night, all on arterial streets, and all of the snow mountains, block-long ice fields, etc. I had to stumble over or avoid by walking in traffic were in front of COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.
On a lighter note --
While elderly people freeze to death because they couldn't pay their gas bill --
Airlift rescues abandoned LA chihuahuas
Paula Bustamante – Sat Feb 12, 12:04 pm ET
LONG BEACH, California (AFP) –
"Blame it on Paris Hilton: the craze for owning small dogs as fashion accessories has led to an explosion in the number of chihuahuas in Los Angeles, where tiny canines are everywhere.
"But now an animal-friendly philanthropist has come to their rescue, organizing an airlift of diminutive pooches abandoned by impatient owners in California -- jetting them off by private plane to Canada, of all places..."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/
afp/20110212/od_afp/uscanada
animalsoffbeat_20110212170411
How about making the criminals pay their way when
passing thru the judicial system. Garnish their Welfare stipends. Seems only fair or how about a good ol' sheriff chain gang to shovel the sidewalks.
"I shovel the walks for 4 older, single women on my block. I don't always get them done by 10:00 AM. To even suggest giving these taxpayers an ANOV/tickets for not shoveling would be criminal. The way children and seniors are treated is a reflection of society."
--2/12/2011 08:00:00 AM
Repeating -- Please read.
No one is talking about ticketing old ladies.
You'd write Commonwealth Edison and Burger King and Pep Boys and all kinds of huge banks and real estate firms, absentee owners of vacant lots and "FOR LEASE" buildings -- any number of large, affluent property owners who don't give a damn about the law or the public well-being. The names and phone numbers of the companies are usually on a big sign stuck right in the lot or on the front of the bulding.
Look around you on any arterial street in daylight.
I was out walking -- or trying to -- for four hours the other night, all on arterial streets, and all of the snow mountains, block-long ice fields, etc. I had to stumble over or avoid by walking in traffic were in front of COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.
Bless you for helping your neighbors. It is a quiet, humble service to God as well, and it matters a great deal.
I can't wait to try out of here. The Alderman make any law they want and the stupid public are mad at us when its endorsed.
2/12/2011 11:58:00 AM
thank you, corky, for your honest and sincere opinion.
"It is doubtful that the city has any actual authority to provide for civil immunity for anything, much less snow removal."
--2/12/2011 09:39:00 AM
I'm no lawyer, but this seems to fall in the category of other "Good Samaritan"-type laws.
I was out walking -- or trying to -- for four hours the other night, all on arterial streets, and all of the snow mountains, block-long ice fields, etc. I had to stumble over or avoid by walking in traffic were in front of COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.
2/12/2011 02:07:00 PM
So get off your asses and write the Companies that can afford the tickets..
As I recall it's 4*4*310 and is a 200.00 ticket.
Shit. Drive around 015 20-sector. If anybody from 640 or 650 is looking for somebody there...they are still inside. Just bring snow shoes and mountain gear to get to the front door...escape out the backdoor is impossible.
You can't get these ghetto assholes to take care of their kids how you going to get them to shovel snow. I think the way to save money in this country is to get rid of welfare completely. Or at least in IL, just think of the great flight to other states. The crime in the Chicago would virtually disappear. I know, I'm dreaming.
You Want To Generate Revenue ?
How About Tickets To All The Commercial Trucks,Vans,Pickups, That Are being used as Commercial Vehicles. They have passenger plates, Fire Fighter Memorial Plates, and Prevent Violence plates.
They have no business markings on side as required by IVC. How about all the giant size pickup trucks with passenger plates. There was a time when the Secretary of State's Office would ID these vehicles by VIN code, and would not issue passenger plates to them. I don't know what happened there.
When I was riding motorcycles, back in the 60's and early 70's the police would stop, and ticket you for loud mufflers.
Now I see Harley's come right off the dealer showrooms with no mufflers. They ride around the North West Side, with no or loud mufflers all summer.
What about a little enforcement CPD.
Every man, women and child in Chicago would have to come up with $12,000 each to balance the budget and fund the pensions.
Heh... one years wages from Wal-Mart...right?
If you have two kids and are paying the freight for them it's a $36,000 tax bill.
THREE YEARS working for the Wal-Mart and donating it all to the city.
We are so screwed and where's Daley? Why he's on his way to China AGAIN..right?
When I was riding motorcycles, back in the 60's and early 70's the police would stop, and ticket you for loud mufflers.
Now I see Harley's come right off the dealer showrooms with no mufflers. They ride around the North West Side, with no or loud mufflers all summer.
What about a little enforcement CPD.
2/12/2011 09:26:00 PM
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Kind of hard to get enforcement when you've got guys like that smartass dick up in a/5 who rides one that'd wake the dead.
Anonymous said...
You Want To Generate Revenue ?
How About Tickets To All The Commercial Trucks,Vans,Pickups, That Are being used as Commercial Vehicles. They have passenger plates, Fire Fighter Memorial Plates, and Prevent Violence plates.
They have no business markings on side as required by IVC. How about all the giant size pickup trucks with passenger plates. There was a time when the Secretary of State's Office would ID these vehicles by VIN code, and would not issue passenger plates to them. I don't know what happened there.
When I was riding motorcycles, back in the 60's and early 70's the police would stop, and ticket you for loud mufflers.
Now I see Harley's come right off the dealer showrooms with no mufflers. They ride around the North West Side, with no or loud mufflers all summer.
What about a little enforcement CPD.
2/12/2011 09:26:00 PM
Once upon a time I could buy a house on the NW side for under $100,000, taxes were affordable, the police department had competent leadership, the air was clean and sex was dirty and things weren't all fucked up.
It is different now.
It is an ANOV. $50 maximum fine.
9,26pm,,,,,,You are complaining about those giant pickup trucks with passenger plates?
Read the IVC, if there is seating behind the driver, it can get passenger plates.
You are correct though, there are way too many types of license plates in IL.
There should be truck plates and passenger plates. That's it.
Excuse me while I go online and order my Chicago Cubs plates.
Rahm will balance the budget by taking away our pensions.
Anonymous said...
You Want To Generate Revenue ?
How About Tickets To All The Commercial Trucks,Vans,Pickups, That Are being used as Commercial Vehicles. They have passenger plates, Fire Fighter Memorial Plates, and Prevent Violence plates.
They have no business markings on side as required by IVC. How about all the giant size pickup trucks with passenger plates. There was a time when the Secretary of State's Office would ID these vehicles by VIN code, and would not issue passenger plates to them. I don't know what happened there.
When I was riding motorcycles, back in the 60's and early 70's the police would stop, and ticket you for loud mufflers.
Now I see Harley's come right off the dealer showrooms with no mufflers. They ride around the North West Side, with no or loud mufflers all summer.
What about a little enforcement CPD.
2/12/2011 09:26:00 PM
My brother owns a truck in the 17th District for his business which does not have markings on it. Since we has been living in the area (circa 1974) he has gotten numerous tickets and has paid hundreds, perhaps thousands, of dollars in fines for tickets for "Parking Truck In a Residential Area". He has no garage to park his truck and it is impractical to park on a main street and worry about Rush Hour Parking Tickets. This is his livelihood and he depends on using his truck for his business. In some areas of the city, you can obtain a parking permit to park your truck in a residential area. Not so in the 17th District (I'm not sure what ward that is). So, he would love to comply with the law by purchasing one of these permits, however, due to politics, he cannot. He has contacted his alderman several times about this issue to no avail. What would you suggest that he do???
Can you ANOV the CTA for the condition of the sidewalk on the south side of Lawrence just east of the Kimball stop building? Two weeks post-storm and its still a slippery obstacle course.
@ 2/13/2011 09:51:00 AM
That's ward 39 in 017.
39th ward has a Parking Ban on Pickup Trucks and Vans and All Commercial Vehicles in Residential Neighborhoods.
There is a separate violation to be used depending upon the Type of License Plate or Vehicle type (truck/Van/Pickup)
It is a 24/7/365 Ban. And your Aldermans office should have told you that.
Van or Pickup with a Passenger Plate: 25.00 fine
B Plate Vehicle: 25.00 fine
Pickup with a FFM plate? 25.00 Fine
Van with a PML plate? 25.00 fine
Mack Truck with a Apportioned plate? 125.00 fine
Ford Pickup with a D or Higher Truck Plate? 125.00 fine.
No Permit is available for this ward to exempt the vehicle.
After oh...about 10 of those tickets, I'd have moved into a ward that Has a Permit available for that particular type of vehicle.
But then...I think like that.
"...and now I hear they have Street and San workers ringing doorbells and reminding people to shovel their sidewalks because its neighborly and it's the law...stating you could get hit with a $50 fine..."
--2/11/2011 03:57:00 PM
Ticketing huge banks, real estate firms, absentee landlords, and affluent businesses who simply ignore the law and refuse to clear their walks along mile after mile of our arterial streets could provide the funds for those same Streets and San workers to show up with a shovel and blower and clear the walk for that elderly person who medically/financially cannot do it anymore. A small extension of that "minor home repairs" program they have.
If the Mayor had a heart instead of a pocket calculator in there, he'd think of stuff like this -- but how he hates the little people, except when tax time rolls around...
What would you suggest that he do???
2/13/2011 09:51:00 AM
build a bigger garage.
"Now I see Harley's come right off the dealer showrooms with no mufflers. They ride around the North West Side, with no or loud mufflers all summer.
What about a little enforcement CPD."
--2/12/2011 09:26:00 PM
Northwest Highway used to be really bad near that motorcycle repair place that was at Nettleton/Newark. Kicking and kicking and kicking those miserable things until they'd finally detonate, then testing up and down and up and down, back and forth all day long with those straight pipes. Heard they moved to Franklin Park -- I feel sorry for the people out there now.
There used to be a whole street full of 'em every summer night outside that Irish bar farther south -- don't know if that's still going on.
You'll find out if you buy one of Mad Sam Zitella's many condos along there...
We have been swiping and it doesn't mean anything!
Regarding 2/13/2011 12:48:00 PM
and the Pickup/Van/Truck/Truck Plate ban:
Its the fault of the City council.
They passed the ordinance back in the day.
90% of the Wards have the Truck/Pickup/Van Residential Parking Permit available for residents. And its good in Every ward that requires the Permit for those vehicles/plate types.
There are only about 8 wards that do not allow them at all.
Some Coppers and PEA's will write that ticket all day long on all vehicles that fall under the restrictions; and others will only enforce it on Chicago residents that should know to have the permit displayed With their City Sticker or to not have the restricted vehicle/plate type in the wards that don't allow them at all.
It boils down to the the assignment given to the PO's for parkers and the point of view for the PEA's working those wards.
I'll shovel my sidewalk when: I can build a structure on it, it gets repaired from city trees cracking it apart. It's a public way... let the fucking city shovel it! Can I charge a toll after I shovel it? Bottom line... it's not my property! If I drink a beer on the sidewalk I get an ANOV or arrested (public way) so how can it be justified in fining me if I don't shovel it?
In reality I do shovel it because it is the right thing to do, but to write ANOV's for not shoveling is ridiculous! Dumb ordinance.
So, he would love to comply with the law by purchasing one of these permits, however, due to politics, he cannot. He has contacted his alderman several times about this issue to no avail. What would you suggest that he do???
2/13/2011 09:51:00 AM
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Due to politics or having it registered to another address in the suburbs or something like that?
Hey, Streets and San -- quit worrying about "dibs," chairs and stuff in parking spaces, and finish your work first. You have still not cleaned to the curb on many arterial streets and there are snow mountains sticking out six feet into the street -- let alone on side streets -- but I guess you feel that you're all done.
"Hey, Streets and San -- quit worrying about "dibs," chairs and stuff in parking spaces, and finish your work first. You have still not cleaned to the curb on many arterial streets and there are snow mountains sticking out six feet into the street -- let alone on side streets -- but I guess you feel that you're all done."
--2/15/2011 10:37:00 PM
Exactly -- I just got in, and can simply reiterate what you've said FOUR DAYS LATER. Some alleys still have piles of snow across the mouth. Piles in the street at corners.
You never finished the job.
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