Saving Money by Fighting Cases
In 2009, Chicago’s court system was hopelessly clogged by cases alleging police misconduct. For years, the city’s Department of Law had watched as the number of misconduct allegations crept upward. With the increasing strain on municipal resources, Chicago’s attorneys were forced to settle many cases out of court, which reflected poorly on the city’s bottom line and police force.
But Chicago found a somewhat counterintuitive way to save money and save face -- by taking every single police misconduct case to court.
The result?
- The move is working better than anyone had anticipated. In the first year after the city began taking every case to court, the number of federal civil rights cases filed against police officers dropped by almost 50 percent. In addition, cases brought against officers are being voluntarily dismissed at higher rates. In 2009, about 18 percent of plaintiffs voluntarily dropped their case. By October 2010, nearly 46 percent of plaintiffs dropped their case. The Department of Law told the city that the results are "nothing short of astonishing."
Astonishing only to anyone who wasn't paying attention for years. It is a simple fact of economics - if you reward misbehavior by plaintiffs, you are going to get more of it. If you fight it, and fight it early and wholeheartedly, you will get less. In this case, a whole lot less.
There is no doubt in our minds that certain law firms were getting a lot of business steered in their direction by the lure of easy payouts from the city. And we don't doubt more than a few of those settlement dollars found their way into certain political campaigns. We're glad someone finally saw the light and shut off this spigot.
There is no doubt in our minds that certain law firms were getting a lot of business steered in their direction by the lure of easy payouts from the city. And we don't doubt more than a few of those settlement dollars found their way into certain political campaigns. We're glad someone finally saw the light and shut off this spigot.
Labels: good news, info for the police
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
79 Comments:
A word to the wise,
We were to b the ASA (lazy and not with the office anymore) that two witnesses had backed off their testimony and that is why she dropped the case. The corp counsel's offfice took our case when we were sued by the little rat. They have a recently formed unit to handle these cases. We learned that the ASA lied. The witnesses were reinterviewed and it was learned they hadn't changed their story since the night we interviewed them. We also learned that the ASA cannot be sued. This newer unit has some sharp attorney's. Trust ASAs as far as you can throw one.
So its obvious, even if you're as dumb as an ash tray or as naive as a puppy, that these complaints against the cops are bullshit.
I've DEFENDED some coppers in my years. Never lost. Know why? Because when all the bullshit the shitheads and their lawyers spew is shoveled away, shitheads come across as shitheads. And, the only thing worse then the shitheads are their lawyers. Yeah, I got paid for my efforts, but what a waste of time and money. This country is going down the drain, in large part due to the fact that there are lawyers who will represent shitheads. Just my opinion, which may not be shared by others. Be safe out there!
I can not and will not attempt to explain why, but it is true: I've witnessed the IAD complaints cut in half in the last two years. Can't say what is happening at IPRA. Keep in mind that 75% OF THE IAD cases are generated by other coppers against their co-workers. But IAD are always the bad guys, right?
Heh, saving money. That's what our leaders tried be not funding the pensions. We'll do it later when times are better and then later never comes...
RE: Pensions.
Deal with it.
There ain't gonna be any pensions. The people in this city can't afford more than $12,000 per man, women, and child in this city while working their part-time temporary Wal-Mart like jobs (over one years pay!!) ..
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Continuing to sound the alarm on local pension funds, Chicago's Civic Federation will release a report Thursday that shows the unfunded liabilities for 10 city and county pension funds grew sixfold from 2000 to 2009, with shortfalls now totaling nearly $23 billion.
Coupled with Chicago residents' share of state pension debt, covering the unfunded liabilities of public pensions would now cost every man, woman and child in Chicago more than $11,934, up from $2,442 just a decade ago, the report found.
via >> http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/news/local/ct-met-civic-pensions-0210-20110209,0,3379039.story
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What kind of best and brightest university geniuses that are empowered by the voters are we getting to allow this to happen.
It's been going on for a decade. How much more are the people going to take before something it done?
This is an epic moral hazard.
...and btw, lowering the pension benefits for new hires places a target on the backs of the more senior workers with the higher benefit packages.
You are going to be the first ones to be targeted in the next round of layoffs to save money when ever the next layoffs occur.
Bet on it!
Well I say settle. I dont like having to sit in federal court infront of a jury. Ive done it 4 times in my career and its not pleasent. Its not the end of the world but its just one less thing that I need to deal with...especially the thought of getting hit punitivly. The people screaming to fight fight fight all of these suits are the ones who have never had to sit in federal court for 5 days in a trial or have never been sued. I could care less if pookie gets money.
If you saw that artcle in the slum times, if it was not clear before it is crystal clear now, that Frank Main is Judy's press secretary, Publicist, lap dog , bitch. J-Fled is his favorite subject and he is toast. Lets hope main is done as well. I wonder if he will take Main with him to his new assignment like obummer did with Rahm. Too much humor.
It should always be the police officers choice as to werher to fight a case or have the city settle if possible. Only one person is on the hoopla for punitive damages and That's the PO.
Am I reading that right: 50% drop in filed cases AND of those filed, another 50% dropped their case?
75% drop in lawsuits?
Maybe before the city was funneling money through connected lawfirms. In newspapers it looks like the city paying out big money through insurance policies etc. When reality is the city was basically suing themselves through lawfirms then recirculating the money back into the city and hiding it in connected businesses' to tap into it at a later time.....Ya never know....Im just sayin!
Patrick Fitzgerald and Anita Alvarez should indict some of these so-called victims for perjury and their scum bag lawyers for subodination of perjury and they number of lawsuits against police officers would drop even more.
They all know that these lawyers encourage these practices but do nothing about it!
That's encouraging. I wish the asshole or his/her attorney would drop my case. I have every expectation that under cross examination the jerk will come across as the lying scammer he/she is.
The plaintiff's attorney is funding this out of his pocket so it will be doubly good to win and see the blood sucking attorney work for several years for free. I keep my fingers crossed.
lost/wasted taxpayer dollars is the fault of STUPID VOTERS.
I hope the city stop this. I was planning on suing the department after I retire to make some extra buck.
One reason. Andrew Hale and Associates. It is a law firm comprised of former Corp. Counsels and other attornies who know BS when they see it which is what the vast majority of the police misconduct cases are. They have an office on the top floor in a building across from the Federal building and another in Park Ridge. They have an excellent track record in defending coppers who are sued by scum looking for a quick buck. A substansial number of cases that are assigned to them never go to trial because they investigate, locate witnesses which support the PO's version of the story and depose them. When the truth comes out the plaintiffs lawyers have no choice but to drop the suit which is what happened in my case. Go to their website to learn more. But they saved me alot of headache because of the way they operate. They are a coppers best friend. God Bless them and thank you.
A component of the ghetto lottery is closing.
Now let's work on the other freebies. Take the profit out of being a leech.
I can not and will not attempt to explain why, but it is true: I've witnessed the IAD complaints cut in half in the last two years. Can't say what is happening at IPRA. Keep in mind that 75% OF THE IAD cases are generated by other coppers against their co-workers. But IAD are always the bad guys, right?
2/10/2011 12:26:00 AM
Not all the useless street trash that suck the taxpayers dry are on the streets. Some are on the job and haven't changed their ways one bit.
You know who they are, and they know you know who they. That's why you get 'the look' from them.
Most cases have no merit and the plantiffs are just looking for a quick payoff.It takes real money to sue,like 100k+.Attorneys are not going to do your case pro-bono 99% of the time.
When moo&oink find out their case is going to drag out and cost some green&white,they drop the case.
I've DEFENDED some coppers in my years. Never lost. Know why? Because when all the bullshit the shitheads and their lawyers spew is shoveled away, shitheads come across as shitheads. And, the only thing worse then the shitheads are their lawyers. Yeah, I got paid for my efforts, but what a waste of time and money. This country is going down the drain, in large part due to the fact that there are lawyers who will represent shitheads. Just my opinion, which may not be shared by others. Be safe out there!
2/10/2011 12:26:00 AM
Hey, that's some real copspeak there. Nice job.
ITK
I've DEFENDED some coppers in my years. Never lost. Know why? Because when all the bullshit the shitheads and their lawyers spew is shoveled away, shitheads come across as shitheads. And, the only thing worse then the shitheads are their lawyers. Yeah, I got paid for my efforts, but what a waste of time and money. This country is going down the drain, in large part due to the fact that there are lawyers who will represent shitheads. Just my opinion, which may not be shared by others. Be safe out there!
2/10/2011 12:26:00 AM
Your opinion is shared by more than you think! Thanks!
I recently was sued in federal court for false arrest. The case went to trial and my partner and I were found not guilty. The entire incident though was very stressful as the plaintiff was asking for $25k in punitive damages. Its not pleasant being the defendent in a federal courtroom. The good thing is that I learned something very important after 15 years-if you do nothing at work, you won't be sued. Iam done working for this city. Good luck to the rest of you and the citizens out there.
The city needs to stop these "free" programs which benefit the poor residents and let the state Continue to support them. Plus, put a freeze on the beautification program until the city is out of the red. It's not rocket science, just use common sense
You are welcome
In legalese, a police misconduct lawsuit vs. the city is referred to as a "laydown."
Any 1st year law student could handle it. (shortshanks need not apply) File a suit, the city merely figures it's easier to offer a settlement rather than pay outside attorneys (Corp Counsel inept) to take depo's or defend.
They "laydown" and send out a check.
Cha-ching, Loevy & Loevy et al.
Who has been running everything in this state for the last ten years?
Who has been running the city/county for over twenty years?
Thank a Democrat, and dammit stop whining and VOTE!
AMEN!
SCC- Please more OPEN POSTS, & MORE MORE MORE INTEL on RICH CARPETBAGGER RAHMMY & DALEY'S BOGUS "Civic-Federation" RATS trying to ERODE & COLLAPSE WHAT IS OWED TO US!
This is why we needed to have the Jody Weis experiment. Coppers finally understand that the police department and the public are their enemies.
Here's a tip going forward. No matter who the mayor is, no matter who the superintendent is, nothing will change. There are four things you need to worry about.
1. Your physical safety.
2. Your freedom.
3. Your financial security.
4. Your mental health.
If the Sun Times puts you on their cover, then you can bet your ass that you are going to jail no matter who the superintendent is.
Jody taught the one lesson that coppers could not learn on their own. Stop digging. Stop digging for dope on people or in cars or in homes. Stop digging for information by cutting deals with crooks. Stop digging for convictions by crafting a scenario that is acceptable to a political hack working as a branch court judge. Stop digging and simply take what you find on the surface.
This city would leave a thousand shithead killers on the street, if they could put one cop in jail for punching a shithead. This is the way it is with or without Jody as our superintendent.
It's about time. The first instruction I was given by the Corp Counsel (when I was sued) was the pretrial settlement option. If we can pay off the plaintiff and keep the litigation out of the court room, we're gonna' do it.
That's exactly what the City did, settling for $93,000 in 1991.
Of course, it doesn't help when the police officer/City defendant has a hanky-wringin' judge who orders the City (even before evidence is presented and heard) to make the victim's mother an offer.
It doesn't hurt to have Eugene Pincham as your lawyer, either.
Tribune Headline; Cops shoot dog to death.
Just wondering if this pooch was turning his life around or was a obedience school honor student?
They were talking about a canine, weren't they?
Give jfed some credit
75% of IAD cases are brought by police against police, dont buy that at all. No way that is happening and dont know where you are getting you stats 12:26AM
Continuing to sound the alarm on local pension funds, Chicago's Civic Federation will release a report Thursday that shows the unfunded liabilities for 10 city and county pension funds grew sixfold from 2000 to 2009, with shortfalls now totaling nearly $23 billion.
How much did the city council spend on flowerpots, trees and neighborhood festivals in that interim ?
RE: Pensions.
Deal with it.
There ain't gonna be any pensions
Forensic audit
Might this lead to art and jon loevy hitting the unemplyment lines?
Damm right. The turning-off of the
Police misconduct lottery/jackpot
is long overdue. Let the law firms
that encourage such lawsuits get
real jobs. If the law enforcement
officer can't show authority or
aggressiveness in the performance
of his or her duty then the are
powerless to maintain law and order. Citizens and City Hall you
can't have it both ways.
The Police can't do their jobs with
the fear of someone second-guessing
what occurred during an arrest or
traffic stop. And 9 times out of 10
the officer comes out on the losing
end and is thrown under the bus.
And the low-lifes know this and use
it to their advantage with help from certain law firms and "other"
elements as required.
This country is going down the drain, in large part due to the fact that there are lawyers who will represent shitheads. Just my opinion
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...and mine too!
It's been going on for a decade. How much more are the people going to take before something it done?
This is an epic moral hazard.
2/10/2011 12:31:00 AM
first, try a century.
second, longer then the lifespans of our grandchildren.
third, all we can do is tweak the corrupted program, to minimize the ongoing damage.
Democracy fails when the ratio of intelligent citizens, who, by definition, pay attention and vote, to ignorant, leeching, yearly breeding citizens, who are told who to vote for, is skewed heavily toward the latter.
Our Founding Fathers could not have foreseen that the majority of our nation's citizenry would devolve into a mass of people who think that they are intelligent, while drooling over the next bit of fluff fed to them by the Fourth Estate.
"We have met the Enemy, and he is Us."
Two comments here.
First the water was starting to boil over and Da Mayo called off all settlements because some in the inner circle were talking about the fear of getting caught up with the kickbacks from these huge settlements. Since Da Mayo has been in 95% of cases against P.Os were settled and over 450 million was paid out without a trail. Da Mayo saw the economic down turn and noticed that he and his cronies were going to be exposed.
Second if the protests in Egypt look bad. Wait till pension reform. The National Gaurd will not be able to handle the protests. If Da Mayo and his cronies had not stolen soo much and made poor business decisions there would have been money there. From 2002 to 2008 the city was making money hand over fist. However they never paid the fair share to the pensions! Da Mayo should be tar and feathered and ran out of this city on a rail!
"Trust ASAs as far as you can throw one."
There are bad apples in every profession. I'm sure there are ASAs who lie. Unfortunately, I've dealt with plenty of coppers who lied as well. Despite that, I would not make such a generalization about all police.
(Used to defend LEO in lawsuits.)
Here's an idea, lets see who we can vote for that will allow the law to change so we can sue the asa's and public defenders for their lies against us........oh wait thats fantacy island
Sgt. Saunders said...
One reason. Andrew Hale and Associates. It is a law firm comprised of former Corp. Counsels and other attornies who know BS when they see it which is what the vast majority of the police misconduct cases are.
I second this notion!
Had my lawsuit INVESTIGATED by Andrew Hale and it never went to trial and it was not settled - it was withdrawn.
GREAT firm. Great help
We told the Corp. Counsel years ago to fight these sons'of'btches, they didn't listen and gave away miilions. That was Daley's way. Fight these bastards tooth and nail.
Asa's, Usasa's, Corp Counsels, are still scumbag lawyers. They don't chase bondslips, they chase judge ships or accomodate the rich private attorney so they can get an offer.
ASA CAN BE DIS BARRED!
CORP COUNCIL CAN BE DIS BARRED!
BUT U WOULD HAVE TO DO MORE THAN SIT BACK AND HOPE SOMEONE LIKE THE FOP WILL HELP U.
IF IT MATTERS FILE THE SUIT YOU SELF.
We told the Corp. Counsel years ago to fight these sons'of'btches, they didn't listen and gave away miilions. That was Daley's way. Fight these bastards tooth and nail.
Oh yeah?? ok, wait until your lawsuit is gonna go to trial in federal court. 3 years of wondering and worrying what will happen by an ultra liberal jury who do not have a favorable opinion of the chicago police. Ok, you fight tooth and nail and let me know how you feel when your in a suit, listed as a defendant in a federal docket and have to sit in on your own trial for several days.... we will see how confident you are then and how much you wont want to just have the city throw some money out to get rid of it... I guess your the kind of guy who likes living with stress for three or four years waiting for your trial... guess what, im not.
There are bad apples in every profession. I'm sure there are ASAs who lie. Unfortunately, I've dealt with plenty of coppers who lied as well. Despite that, I would not make such a generalization about all police.
being a member of cpd I know there are many many good ASAs out there. Most of the ASA's I have dealt with have been great. And another thing, who are you to paint them with such a broad brush?? Dont forget, you are a chicago copper. We are all painted with a brush as being corrupt, heavy handed, lazy, fat, bartender beating slobs, commit thefts and robberies all the time and drunk wife beaters. Dont say its not true... it doesnt feel good to get painted with that broad brush does it? so dont do the same to the ASA'a. I have a few friends who are asa's and are great people and good at what they do. stop being so damn grumpy and paranoid of the whole world. most if not all cases the ASA's ive had made sure that the copper was taken care of first weather it was not making us look bad on the stand or just offering a plea on a case that could go either way... I do appreciate the asa and what they have to do... trust me, they have a very hard job.
Good luck to the rest of you and the citizens out there.
2/10/2011 08:48:00 AM
i'm all the luck the citizens need.
if only they would learn that.
Chalkie
This city would leave a thousand shithead killers on the street, if they could put one cop in jail for punching a shithead. This is the way it is with or without Jody as our superintendent.
2/10/2011 10:21:00 AM
and i only leave them laying on the street.
what's so wrong about that?
Chalkie
Tribune Headline; Cops shoot dog to death.
Just wondering if this pooch was turning his life around or was a obedience school honor student?
They were talking about a canine, weren't they?
2/10/2011 10:41:00 AM
yeah, too bad.
Chalkie
Da Mayo should be tar and feathered and ran out of this city on a rail!
2/10/2011 02:27:00 PM
under a rail.
Lawsuits down 50%. How close to that is the arrest rate down for comparable periods?
75% of IAD cases are brought by police against police, dont buy that at all. No way that is happening and dont know where you are getting you stats 12:26AM
It's actually a little higher than 40%, most resulting from supervisory adherence to general and special orders, based on public info published by IAD in 2009
I heard all lawsuits against police are down 67%.
How much did the city council spend on flowerpots, trees and neighborhood festivals in that interim ?
2/10/2011 12:36:00 PM
Dont forget all the Olympic deals that blew up in Shortshanks face,Where do you think all that money came from to buy properties,pay for bribes,make payoff came from????
It isn't just the outside firms that have been having success in winning cases either by dismissal or by trial. Give credit to the attorneys in the Corp. Counsel's office who have racked up a number of impressive wins over the past year.
If the case is BS, then it is BS. And most of them are. Sure, it is unpleasant to go to trial and sit in federal court for a few days but if you win - you can see the scumbag and their attorney walk away with nothing.
Myself and 6 other officers represented by Andrew Hale's and Associates ....found not guilty! Shitbird and lawyers got 000000 . Thank you Andrew Hale's and associates!
This dumb ass city should have been fighting cases over 20 years ago!
What is the point of keeping a Law Division if they don't want to do shit!
But shortshanks is still building a harbor at 31st beach for his monied friends. But the new pay boxes have gone in before the new lot is open so that he can squeeze every penny out of the little guy trying to use the beach! jag!
Anonymous said...
Well I say settle. I dont like having to sit in federal court infront of a jury. Ive done it 4 times in my career and its not pleasent. Its not the end of the world but its just one less thing that I need to deal with...especially the thought of getting hit punitivly. The people screaming to fight fight fight all of these suits are the ones who have never had to sit in federal court for 5 days in a trial or have never been sued. I could care less if pookie gets money.
2/10/2011 12:41:00 AM
Obviously, you don't care about your reputation, either.
Oh yeah?? ok, wait until your lawsuit is gonna go to trial in federal court. 3 years of wondering and worrying what will happen by an ultra liberal jury who do not have a favorable opinion of the chicago police. Ok, you fight tooth and nail and let me know how you feel when your in a suit, listed as a defendant in a federal docket and have to sit in on your own trial for several days.... we will see how confident you are then and how much you wont want to just have the city throw some money out to get rid of it... I guess your the kind of guy who likes living with stress for three or four years waiting for your trial... guess what, im not.
Then quit, you do nobody any good staying on the job with that attitude. I've also had numerous lawsuits and have been to fed court in 3 of them. In this profession you will get sued, it's a forgone conclusion, I know guys sued just doing a case report. Do your job correctly, concisely, and above all LEGALLY! you will end up ok.
What really needs to happen is an oveerturn of the law allowing punitive damaged against us....
Just so we're clear that not all cases are unfounded.....
True story, Belmont area guys drag a licensed P.I. out of his car, boot fuck him, go into his house without lawful permission and confiscate his guns. Realizing they have fucked up in a major way, they try to get him committed to the VA psych ward knowing that if they can, they can get his FOID canceled and they can keep all the guns.
Their grand plan doesn't work because they picked the wrong guy, even after they tell the State Police to pull his FOID the P.I. gets a hold of State and they reinstate. State doesn't want any part of some CPD bullshit. P.I. gets all his guns/ammo back, minus a bunch of ammo and magazines that were stolen by someone with a CPD badge.
Think he filed a lawsuit? Fucking right he did. The guy in charge on that expedition retired right after it was filed and moved to Indiana.
See, when you get used to dealing with pookie all the time, that's the mode you're in the day you pick the wrong guy, thinking your badge will cover whatever you do.
I guarantee the city will be settling on this. (IF they are even allowed to) Fighting it will be much more expensive after a jury hears the whole story. The P.I. hopes they do 'cause he's still pissed and wants the responsible officers to burn. They knowingly abused their authority to try and fuck him over and he's anxious to return the favor. Paybacks are a bitch.
I sympathize with the Real Police doing their job and dealing with false charges, and such cases SHOULD be fought rather than settled, but we all know there are quite a few people on the job with CPD who shouldn't be. When you give a badge and some aw-thor-i-tay to such folks, bad things & the legal exposure that results are gonna happen.
"No quarter asked nor given."
Dogass west siders
Patrick Fitzgerald and Anita Alvarez should indict some of these so-called victims for perjury and their scum bag lawyers for subodination of perjury and they number of lawsuits against police officers would drop even more.
They all know that these lawyers encourage these practices but do nothing about it!
2/10/2011 05:02:00 AM
I'd love to see that. I've been the victim of more than one of these lawsuits. It kills me that nothing is done to these lawyers that boldly suborn perjury and nothing is done to them.
Put a few of these guys in jail with the mutts they represent and you'll see a big change. It's your money taxpayers.
And to the J-FLED cheerleader: Jody had nothing to do with it. He went down and blustered to the Corp Council and they laughed when he walked out the door. He doesn't call those shots. The midget on the 5th Floor does.
"But IAD are always the bad guys, right?"
Only to the ones that have something to hide
75% of IAD cases are brought by police against police, dont buy that at all. No way that is happening and dont know where you are getting you stats 12:26AM
It's actually a little higher than 40%, most resulting from supervisory adherence to general and special orders, based on public info published by IAD in 2009
2/10/2011 06:17:00 PM
The number goes MUCH higher when you include all of the "anonymous" letters regarding alleged criminal and quasi-criminal activity obviously written by other coppers.
Early ducks, being carried, residency, personal business on Department time...all beefs directly from other coppers who don't want to be named. In many cases the letters sound something like this "Sgt Blah-blah lets some cars go early but not me." "Capt Blah-blah carried Sgt So-and-SO but never carries me".
Get it?
Anonymous said...
Two comments here.
First the water was starting to boil over and Da Mayo called off all settlements because some in the inner circle were talking about the fear of getting caught up with the kickbacks from these huge settlements. Since Da Mayo has been in 95% of cases against P.Os were settled and over 450 million was paid out without a trail. Da Mayo saw the economic down turn and noticed that he and his cronies were going to be exposed.
Second if the protests in Egypt look bad. Wait till pension reform. The National Gaurd will not be able to handle the protests. If Da Mayo and his cronies had not stolen soo much and made poor business decisions there would have been money there. From 2002 to 2008 the city was making money hand over fist. However they never paid the fair share to the pensions! Da Mayo should be tar and feathered and ran out of this city on a rail!
2/10/2011 02:27:00 PM
There may be something to the first part of this statement, it would not be terribly surprising. Part 2 is incorrect. As has been stated several times in other threads, the city is up to date in its portion of pension contributions. Contributions from each individual, as well as from the city must be increased, simply to account for the enhacements over the last 20 years or more.
After the city loses the case, stand by to personaly pay your punitive damages awarded the defendant
"... I have a few friends who are asa's and are great people and good at what they do. stop being so damn grumpy and paranoid of the whole world. most if not all cases the ASA's ive had made sure that the copper was taken care of first weather it was not making us look bad on the stand or just offering a plea on a case that could go either way... I do appreciate the asa and what they have to do... trust me, they have a very hard job.
2/10/2011 05:01:00 PM"
@05:01 PM, I totally agree. As an ASA for over 20 years, I would say with confidence that 95% or more of the POs (as opposed to POS's) I've worked with are great, dedicated people, and I try to go the extra mile for them. I have dealt with some who don't care and don't come prepared to court-but those are a small minority. I have also worked with plenty of ASAs who are useless and lazy. I'm sorry for those because they give us all a bad name. I believe that most of those get weeded out after a couple years in the office--but unfortunately that is not always the case. The reason I've been here so long is that I love working with the police and couldn't imagine myself representing criminals. I'd leave the law profession first.
Police officers are tremendously unsung heroes, and I'm proud to have spent so much time with you all. I'm sure I'm not the only ASA who feels this way.
"Asa's, Usasa's, Corp Counsels, are still scumbag lawyers. They don't chase bondslips, they chase judge ships or accomodate the rich private attorney so they can get an offer."
Sorry you feel that way. It just ain't true.
What is the point of keeping a Law Division if they don't want to do shit!
2/10/2011 08:31:00 PM
you answered your own question.
@ 2/11/2011 01:59:00 AM
"I've also had numerous lawsuits..."
Which means you're unable to see the danger you pose to yourself in being unable/unwilling to change and adapt?
Big clanking balls w/o brains = career suicide.
Well I say settle. I dont like having to sit in federal court infront of a jury. Ive done it 4 times in my career and its not pleasent. Its not the end of the world but its just one less thing that I need to deal with...especially the thought of getting hit punitivly. The people screaming to fight fight fight all of these suits are the ones who have never had to sit in federal court for 5 days in a trial or have never been sued. I could care less if pookie gets money.
2/10/2011 12:41:00 AM
Obviously, you don't care about your reputation, either.
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that I really could care less about on this job. Its not a popularity contest you stroke. Welcome to real life where stress for 3 years and your bank account and making sure everything you have done for your family is not taken away by a jury and given to sh*thead..... thats what I care about. reputation???? yeah, ok like I give a sh*t what they public thinks of me... Im already a chicago cop which means im looked as a bad guy and second class citizen. dont tell me about reputation jr... Ive made a pretty good reputation for myself proved by my policework for the past 21 years. go back to your dopw arrest in tru and msf son.
Thank you Superintendent Weis.
To the officer who doesn't care about his/her reputation: Nobody said this job is a popularity contest. But if you would prefer to have your name sullied and your integrity questioned because you don't have the balls to stand up for yourself in court, then YOU are the stroke. Great example for your kids.
"I've also had numerous lawsuits..."
Which means you're unable to see the danger you pose to yourself in being unable/unwilling to change and adapt?
Big clanking balls w/o brains = career suicide.
Are you really the police? people can file a lawsuit anytime they want for any reason and a judge ALWAYS lets it proceed! i'm going to change the way I operate when I know I haven't done anything wrong? I think not, i've been doing it 18 years and have got along just fine. I have never lost a penny in any litigation brought against me.
To the officer who doesn't care about his/her reputation: Nobody said this job is a popularity contest. But if you would prefer to have your name sullied and your integrity questioned because you don't have the balls to stand up for yourself in court, then YOU are the stroke. Great example for your kids.
Its only a JOB not my life you tool. Ill teach my kids just fine. Im not givin sh*thead nothin more than ive already given. Get hit punitivly like I have in federal court then you can talk..until then sit on your hands because your out of your league on this one. You havent had your money given away to dude...I have, my example Im setting for my kids is that even if you do every single thing right a sh*thead jury and slick lawyer can still take it away from you by painting the racial picture and the evil police conspiracy...thank god it was only 3,800 but its still money taken from my family... You go right ahead and bleed blue but for me those days are over. Go ahead and tote the company line like so many of us have done in the past and see where it gets you. But be warned, punitive damages are extremely rare for police officers but there is always that possibility as ive found out. get your money taken away then try to tell me which you would rather have... your reputation for a stupid job or financial turmoil in your house when youve got to pay bills, mortgage and tuition for 4 kids as was my situation.... yeah, maybe you and your wonderful reputation can get me that money back and give it to mother mccauly high school for my kids tuition...stroke
This city would leave a thousand shithead killers on the street, if they could put one cop in jail for punching a shithead. This is the way it is with or without Jody as our superintendent.
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Would leave? I think you meant DO LEAVE. FREE COZZI.
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