Rahm Makes Nice With Firefighters
Mayor-elect Rahm Emanuel is making nice-nice to his former firemen foes.
Translation: Sneed is told Rahm, who is carrying an olive branch in his iron fist, paid a surprise visit to several North Side firehouses Thursday morning to assure firefighters (whose union voted not to endorse him) he wanted to save their pensions.
Pension check: “Rahm said he hated gambling, but he is in favor of a Chicago casino because it could be one way to shore up our pensions,” said a Chicago firefighter.
Backcheck: “He showed up unexpectedly at 9 a.m., drank a cup of coffee, and spent about 30 minutes assuring us of his intention because he saw firsthand what happened to the autoworkers’ pensions and he didn’t want that to happen to us.”
Someone can tell us if this is possible - officers can then take their pension contribution (currently 9% and going to 12%) in their paychecks. We believe some well-funded pensions in non-bankrupt states did this a few years back.
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posted by SCC at 10:01 AM
75 Comments:
Could this BE any more phony???
How childish of Burke to pull a stunt like this.
Grow up pay your own way you asswipe!
So, does Rahm knuckle under and LOSE his first confrontation with the Daley/Burke Crime Family, or does he dig in and let everyone know theres a new Sheriff in town.?
This should get verrry interesting!
Beware. He didn't get his nickname "The Rahmfather" for nothing. "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer."
This guy is a professional thug. When it comes to slick underhanded moves he will make Daley look like an overweight bouncer in a Wrigleyville bar.
Why be friends to the cops and firefighters now and suggest a casino? So they won't peep when he uses their pension fund money to build it!
Bottom line is that due to mismanagement, the poor economy or whatever you want to blame our pension woes on things need to change. Considering that our contributions have not gone up since the 70's its probably a given that they need to. If that is what it takes to ensure that we have a pension then so be it. the majority of society do not have a pension and in this economic climate other than fellow union memebers we will not get any sympathy if we lose our pensions.
(OT) just listening to Howard Stern,he had that lib richard roper on,dummy rich was talking about his 24 year old girlfriend,and how rich is 51! Howard had the dumbass on the ropes what a pos hope the scumtimes gets a listen and Drew Hayes program manager at WLS!
I remember the first weeks of J-Fled's reign. Many people were in the camp of "Let's give him a chance." I never wanted to. Can't trust a Fed.
Here we are again.
However, I'll be willing to give Rahm some slack. We need to not to be at war with our Mayor. But he needs to fund that pension, buy any means necessary.
I REALLY hope he is just not blowing smoke up our asses....
Awsome idea !!!!
On a Fox Newscast Rahm said he, “…will draw a salary but not a pension.” Does that mean he will not be a "City Pension?" He is in the U.S. Congressional pension fund and after one or one+ terms he gets a full pension. This might be then continued to be raised by whatever job he has in government later.
Nice when you can write your own rules and are a multimillionaire to boot.
Can some reporter find out what he is getting?
If he wants to do something for us, how about he gets on his cell phone, calls Obama and gets him to issue a full pardon to Bill Cozzi.
Is a small thing that would be a big F-U to Jody.
Had he been a bit more reasonable during the campaign he probably would have won by a far greater margin then what he did.
Note to Rahm; We just want what is fair and promised to us. If you have our backs we will have yours!
Rahm may get this done. He is already rich and somewhat intelligent (unlike Shanks). He wants to look like a problem solver so he can move on to bigger things like the White House. I doubt he wants to feed at the taxpayer buffet for three decades like RMD.
(OT) Watch this tribute made me cry!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAX_4ldoBhU
http://wchbnewsdetroit.com/detroit/mildredgaddis/battle-expected-over-city-of-detroit-pension-boards-plan/
Just read this article, it stated that both the police and fire pension for the city of Detroit are 90% funded before the crash in 2008 they were both fully funded, this is a disgrace that detroit's pensions are funded better than Chicago's.
J-FLED and Masters X 3 offices cleared. Drivers told to 'pick a 'District'. Is this the light at the end of the tunnel?
Thanks Rahm. Maybe we were wrong. Gotta run.
Everybody loves a Fireman so Rahm is going to reach out to them first.
you guys are so screwed.
Civilian who loves pensions here...
Is it possible to overfund a pension so it pays for itself? Yes, but you'd probably need it 200% funded or more. I think a better question is why you'd want to do that. It would essentially put a huge burden on participants and taxpayers now, then future generations would enjoy the benefits without having to pay into the system. If you keep it 100% funded, taxpayers and participants keep paying their share at the same rate forever -- at least in theory.
Probably the best thing City Hall could do would be to merge some of the plans. I believe there are 7 city retirement plans (Police, Fire, Teachers, Muni, Laborers, Park District...maybe more). Each of these plans has trustees who need to be placated, office staff, service providers, etc. Cut the number of plans in half and you can cut operating expenses by 70%. It's never going to happen because the teacher trustees (as an example) operate with the sole interest of teachers in mind. If they suddenly had to share their plan with firefighters, firefighters and teachers would both be pissed.
One can dream though.
Not holding my breath that Rahm will do anything for the police. I didn't hear of Rahm visiting any police facilities during the campaign. So why would he do so now.
I hope Rahm's pre-election rhetoric was just that.
If any group of city employees know that they serve the tax payer it's police and fire. As for other city departments, well you know.
I'll keep an open mind about Rahm, but it's on a hair trigger to slam shut.
However Rahm turns out to be as Mayor, one thing is for sure. It's a pleasure to listen to Rahm speak, instead of listening to that stammering, babbling imbecile, ex-King Daley, the Disturbed.
Yeah right. Sounds to me like the the pension shit was neglected to help ease the public outcry against a casino as a "save all" in Chicago when the time comes. This was probably the plan all along. Everything happens in Chicago for a reason. If it works fine....but the state lottery was supposed to be a "save all" for education funding, yet its still fucked up.
“He showed up unexpectedly at 9 a.m., drank a cup of coffee, and spent about 30 minutes assuring us of his intention because he saw firsthand what happened to the autoworkers’ pensions and he didn’t want that to happen to us.”
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FUCKING BULLLLLLSHITTT!!!
This is the exact same cocksucker that made the now infamous, verified as fact and true statement of:
"FUCK THE UAW!"
This shitbag is a fucking lying cocksucker who should have been thrown the fuck out of that stationhouse before he was ever allowed to set foot in it!
This little bitch is gonna TRY and porchfuck firemen AND police as soon as he's taken office and made his fake play attempt at "negotiations" with unions to which he has zero intention of doing anything other than dictating how far up the ass he thinks he's gonna ram it.
Fuck this shithead scumbag, he can shove his olive branch back up his ass where it came from because no one here's reaching for it, shitheel!!
I think a few Casinos in the Chicago land area would be perfect---1 north 1 south and 1 downtown. Gamblers just go to Indiana to get their fix. Why should "Chicagoins" support Indiana??? It makes perfect sense to me!!
When's Rahm gonna make nice with us?
Some of his ideas for the department I like but most I don't. I like the fact that he wants to lose some of the chiefs and get more Indians. He mentioned that JFraud has created something like 8 new upper echelon positions while not hiring 1 beat cop.
The things I don't like are his plans to reduce our medical and replace bidded desk officers with cadets to get more beat cops. Those 2 moves would be prohibited under our current contract. If he really wants to obtain those 2 objectives he'll have to negotiate for those things in the next contract. Judging by the speed at which the city usually negotiates I'm guessing sometime in 2014. I don't see what the city could possibly give up in return to expect the FOP to budge on those 2 issues.
If we think our last contract was contentious it may seem like childs play in comparison to dealing with Rahmfather.
If he can find an economic engine or revenue stream(like a casino) to properly fund the pensions then he can make good on his word of preserving our pensions while not raising property taxes to do so.
If I were a member of a non police or non fire union I'd be more nervous about dealing with Rahmfather. I'm not a fearmonger but I can forsee Rahm threatening privatization or layoffs to attempt to coerce other unions to comply with his demands. I just don't realistically see him being able to effectively use those ploys with the police and fire unions.
Damn Dawg....
Why don't he be making nice wit da pooleece?
I'll be back Dawg, in a hot minute!
Dont trust him
The count continues to come in -- 96% of Chicago cemeteries went for Emanuel.
Ask Ray Ray Hamilton he is taking orrders from him about our beloved dept. Bet Masters stays too
On February 23, 2011, amidst the Libyan protests, Mustapha Abdel Jalil, former Libyan Justice Minister, alleged that he had proof that Libyan leader, Muammar al-Gaddafi, had personally ordered Abdelbaset al-Megrahi to carry the bomb on to flight 103............now is time forCIA to go in and eliminate those responsible in Lybia for the murders of all those who perished on that pan am flight
get rid of half the command staff and eliminate captain rank
lts as watch commanders and sergeants can supervise field operations
before any city worker takes a pay cut demand every illegal student pays tuition , every food vendor on 26thst buys a business license and pays state and federal tax
cut link cards , section 8 etc
free breakfast , lunch at cps
Cut the BS No offices are being cleared Rahm doesnt take office til May 16, Jodie is still the boss
Even if Jodie leaves when his contract is up March 1, Rahm cant name any new supt until at least May 16th when he takes office
Until that happens if they dump those offices,, who would do the work or go to that job knowing it will change in a few months and of course they cant leave those spots open for a few months Who would do ALL the work LOL
Anonymous said...
Bottom line is that due to mismanagement, the poor economy or whatever you want to blame our pension woes on things need to change. Considering that our contributions have not gone up since the 70's its probably a given that they need to. If that is what it takes to ensure that we have a pension then so be it. the majority of society do not have a pension and in this economic climate other than fellow union memebers we will not get any sympathy if we lose our pensions.
You havre to understand that if contribution goes up so does the city's,,,,,,,,,, Thats why it has nt been raised in over xx yrs
Off Topic but...
Those of you in south side districts, most especially in 022, should be wary of crews from Channel 2 following squad cars around this weekend. They are digging for something. I dont know if they will be in marked news vans or unmarked, but dont screw around AT ALL!!
I dont put stuff out unless I confirmed it myself or it is a source that has NEVER let me down. I'm not sure yet exactly what they are after, but dont step into anything.
Anonymous said...
(OT) just listening to Howard Stern,he had that lib richard roper on,dummy rich was talking about his 24 year old girlfriend,and how rich is 51! Howard had the dumbass on the ropes what a pos hope the scumtimes gets a listen and Drew Hayes program manager at WLS!
2/25/2011 10:35:00 AM
The only local show on wls worth listening to is on Saturdays at 12pm.
Dan Proft and Bruce Wolf.
Anonymous said...
Bottom line is that due to mismanagement, the poor economy or whatever you want to blame our pension woes on things need to change.
All a ploy to get a casino! The media will probably have stories in future on how a casino is the ONLY thing that can help Chicago and its pension woes....watch!
Casino idea for Chicago is fine as long as the money goes to the right place. Also let them smoke in the Casino and it will be a great success as well. People go to Indiana just because they allow you to smoke.
Anonymous said...
Had he been a bit more reasonable during the campaign he probably would have won by a far greater margin then what he did.
Note to Rahm; We just want what is fair and promised to us. If you have our backs we will have yours!
2/25/2011 11:00:00 AM
Sure thing! Thanks for letting me know.
R.E.
Anonymous said...
Ask Ray Ray Hamilton he is taking orrders from him about our beloved dept. Bet Masters stays too
2/25/2011 04:45:00 PM
Masters was at A3 third watch qualifying or just shooting. He called up and said he wanted to shoot, so he did.
J-FLED and Masters X 3 offices cleared. Drivers told to 'pick a 'District'. Is this the light at the end of the tunnel?
Nice Try...Not
They raped the Pittsburgh police pensinon to build the new baseball and football fields. dont let that happen here. many coppers had to flee to other depts.
Too many mixed signals from this guy. Can't trust him!
I was amazed at the list of the highest pensions given by our pension fund. Would it help the funding if they had a rule that you could only be given a pension for your highest rank that you tested for. That would mean that since the postions from Captain on up are appointed they should not be pensionable. The list of the top 100 highest pensions includes all former bosses. the majority of those people like Phat Phil, are also working another career/job/pension. It's insane. It allows for someone who gets promoted, to earn, after just three years, a pension paying more than they made prior to that promotion. I understand that other pension funds are crazier, like the County and the Chicago Board of Education.
Think term limits too!!!
After two four year terms an alderperson will receive 80% of their, (part time?), salary as their pension. And they don't have the same minimal medical plan as the pissants that keep putting them into office!!!!!!!
Oh, and they can keep their election funds too.......
Bottom line is that due to mismanagement, the poor economy or whatever you want to blame our pension woes on things need to change. Considering that our contributions have not gone up since the 70's its probably a given that they need to. If that is what it takes to ensure that we have a pension then so be it. the majority of society do not have a pension and in this economic climate other than fellow union memebers we will not get any sympathy if we lose our pensions.
2/25/2011 10:33:00 AM
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What do you mean when you say our pension contribution hasn't gone up? It sure has. You might forget, but nine percent of a small paycheck is not the same amount of money as nine percent of a larger paycheck. Every time you got a raise, your pension contribution went up.
I've heard talk or rumors about our pension contribution going from 9 to 12 percent but it sounds like its a done deal from your statement, did I miss something, has it already been agreed to be increased?
Drivers told to 'pick a 'District'
Bullshit they went ot Fugitive Apprehension...
In Dallas, Texas we saw the mayor pushing hard to leave property taxes flat, but with the reduction in property values, no new increases meant less revenue. The other city leaders would not consider reducing services, so tax rates were increased. It’s left many Texans looking for alternate ways to pay their taxes with many looking at property tax loans which can be a great option for some.
Word is ray ray is new commander of mayors detsil
Congrats RayRay.
Ramsey starts Tuesday.
Talked to a friend at LAPD who said they are hearing William Bratton was approached for new CPD supt. Who knows?
Had he been a bit more reasonable during the campaign he probably would have won by a far greater margin then what he did.
Note to Rahm; We just want what is fair and promised to us. If you have our backs we will have yours!
He wasn't playing to voters; he was playing to donors.
Do you really trust rahmbo? I don't when he gets fully inside watch and see! But then again with crime way up,he will realize he needs us more than we need him! Rahm just don't fuck with our pensions thanks in advance karma is a bitch!
Ray Ray as new mayor's detail.....Ramsey coming back (and, does that mean not walking anyone else's dog?) God help us
(OT) just listening to Howard Stern,he had that lib richard roper on,dummy rich was talking about his 24 year old girlfriend,and how rich is 51! Howard had the dumbass on the ropes what a pos hope the scumtimes gets a listen and Drew Hayes program manager at WLS!
2/25/2011 10:35:00 AM
The only local show on wls worth listening to is on Saturdays at 12pm.
Dan Proft and Bruce Wolf.
2/25/2011 06:25:00 PM
Dan Proft is encouraging the people of Illinois to illegally renege on their pension obligations to you.
Keep tuning in, jackass.
Maybe police are too dumb to have rights.
...which can be a great option for some.
2/25/2011 09:08:00 PM
so, Texas has their own version of Vinnie the Shark.
big deal.
(seems like a great way to make it easier for the land grabbers to avoid having to compete in a tax auction)
Masters was at A3 third watch qualifying or just shooting. He called up and said he wanted to shoot, so he did.
2/25/2011 07:13:00 PM
you misspelled shit.
I'm not sure yet exactly what they are after, but dont step into anything.
2/25/2011 06:23:00 PM
they're looking for Waldo.
Note to Rahm; We just want what is fair and promised to us. If you have our backs we will have yours!
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Oh he has our backs, just get a nice bullseye tatoo on the lower back he's all over it!!!!!
We should NOT have to pay more into our pensions. We already pay nearly 10% from the moment we come on the job. Our taxes just went up and we are forced to live in the city. We do not get any breaks on paying for city services like water or park district programs. Our kids should get some preferential treatment when it comes to selective enrollment schools, because we are forced to live here, but they do not. We are held hostage here, we are told that if we do our time we will get this pension. We should not have this employment contract violated by having to pay more into it or by receiving a lesser benefit. Management has played games on their end, and on their end is where it should be fixed. They should not try to fix it by placing any of the load on our backs, it just is not right! We have born enough of the weight already. Quit pissing on us and telling us its raining. Enough is enough!
Anonymous said...
J-FLED and Masters X 3 offices cleared. Drivers told to 'pick a 'District'. Is this the light at the end of the tunnel?
Thanks Rahm. Maybe we were wrong. Gotta run.
2/25/2011 11:36:00 AM
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NOT A VERY MANLY POST IS IT?
I love it when these snake-oil salesmen come and tell the police and fire that we need to put some skin in the game. Let's see, how many of our police officers and firefighters have lost their lives in the line of duty over the last twenty years. Those deaths were the result of going "all in" so to speak, the pain of which some of us carry to this day. Now when was the last time a Mayor in office or an alderman was senselessly assassinated or gunned down by an assailant. I've cried a river of tears because my brothers and sisters have put up the highest stakes there are in the game and lost. God bless the CPD and CFD.
SSC:
NEW TOPIC!!!!!!
THERE IS A WAY AROUND GOLD BRAID PENSIONS!!!!!!!
Here is the idea:
Starting NOW all Command Staff will only make their non-exempt pay. Either lieutenant’s pay or Captains pay.
HOWEVER, everything above the Lts or Capts pay would be considered a "stipend" pay for doing the Commanders, Deputy Chief, Chief, ADS etc....
This "stipend" pay however is NOT pensionable. Therefore the tax payers are NOT on the hook for paying these insane "Gold Braid pensions"
This could work in ALL areas of government .. not only with City of Chicago Commissioners but also non-union positions where "bosses" are making LARGE paychecks which are pensionable. No more $300,000 pensions for these bastards.
If the "exempt" member does not like it.. he can quit and go back to his non-exempt position.
Please give feedback ..
fire away!!!
Daley LOVED the CFD too, they both hate the police. Its human nature
I Have Gambled, and Been Around Gambling All My Life. I Have Read Many Social Studies Of The Effects Of Gambling. Forget The Moral Issues. That's Not Where I Am Going With This. The Long Range Effect Of Gambling In Today's Economic Market,Would Be A Disaster. The Money' That is Generated From A Casino Would Soon Have To Go Back Into The Community To Shore Up The Issues, That Were, Caused By Gambling. The Market Here In The Mid West Is Already Over Saturated. Studies Have Been Made Saying That Conventions Like Coming To Chicago, because There Is NO GAMBLING In The Downtown Area. The Bottom Line Is The Money Generated From A Casino,and The Amount That Would Actually Go To Fund Pensions, On A Long Term Basis Would Be Little, if Any.
WE DON'T NEED ANOTHER PLACE TO SPEND MONEY. WE NEED A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE CAN EARN MONEY.
Talked to a friend at LAPD who said they are hearing William Bratton was approached for new CPD supt. Who knows?
Sneed poo-poo'd that rumor in her column.
Bratton, a friend of Rhambo is not coming/considering Chicago.
Seiser IS on the short-list though.
Why not? Rumor has it that 'he runs it!'
OT:
Ooops, Rahm makes his first mistake.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/elections/ct-met-rahm-emanuel-transition-20110226,0,5545430.story
Anonymous said...
before any city worker takes a pay cut demand every illegal student pays tuition , every food vendor on 26thst buys a business license and pays state and federal tax
cut link cards , section 8 etc
free breakfast , lunch at cps
2/25/2011 05:59:00 PM
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Unfortunately, many city workers (non-union) aldready have 24 unpaid days, no paid overtime, and have not had a cost of living increase in 3 years.
On February 23, 2011, amidst the Libyan protests, Mustapha Abdel Jalil, former Libyan Justice Minister, alleged that he had proof that Libyan leader, Muammar al-Gaddafi, had personally ordered Abdelbaset al-Megrahi to carry the bomb on to flight 103............now is time forCIA to go in and eliminate those responsible in Lybia for the murders of all those who perished on that pan am flight
2/25/2011 05:38:00 PM
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Perhaps you missed the news that, years ago, Quadafi admitted his involvement in that bombing. Duh.
SSC:
NEW TOPIC!!!!!!
THERE IS A WAY AROUND GOLD BRAID PENSIONS!!!!!!!
Here is the idea:
Starting NOW all Command Staff will only make their non-exempt pay. Either lieutenant’s pay or Captains pay.
HOWEVER, everything above the Lts or Capts pay would be considered a "stipend" pay for doing the Commanders, Deputy Chief, Chief, ADS etc....
This "stipend" pay however is NOT pensionable. Therefore the tax payers are NOT on the hook for paying these insane "Gold Braid pensions"
This could work in ALL areas of government .. not only with City of Chicago Commissioners but also non-union positions where "bosses" are making LARGE paychecks which are pensionable. No more $300,000 pensions for these bastards.
If the "exempt" member does not like it.. he can quit and go back to his non-exempt position.
Please give feedback ..
fire away!!!
"Anonymous said...
Daley LOVED the CFD too, they both hate the police. Its human nature
2/26/2011 09:24:00 AM"
Old Man Daley did not love the Fire Department. He lovedand took care of his child-hood-grew-up-together-in-Bridgeport chum Commissioner Quinn. Quinn got away with a lot of shit that would have got other men canned on the spot.
On February 23, 2011, amidst the Libyan protests, Mustapha Abdel Jalil, former Libyan Justice Minister, alleged that he had proof that Libyan leader, Muammar al-Gaddafi, had personally ordered Abdelbaset al-Megrahi to carry the bomb on to flight 103............now is time forCIA to go in and eliminate those responsible in Lybia for the murders of all those who perished on that pan am flight
2/25/2011 05:38:00 PM
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Perhaps you missed the news that, years ago, Quadafi admitted his involvement in that bombing. Duh.
2/26/2011 11:33:00 AM
............. That's besides the point. the point is to go in now during chaos and kill those responsible...DUH!
I just found out the Catholic CHurch is pro-union. Thought I'd share.
"...The Market Here In The Mid West Is Already Over Saturated. Studies Have Been Made Saying That Conventions Like Coming To Chicago, because There Is NO GAMBLING In The Downtown Area. The Bottom Line Is The Money Generated From A Casino,and The Amount That Would Actually Go To Fund Pensions, On A Long Term Basis Would Be Little, if Any.
WE DON'T NEED ANOTHER PLACE TO SPEND MONEY. WE NEED A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE CAN EARN MONEY.
2/26/2011 09:58:00 AM..."
That is right.
No company wants to spend mega-thousands or a few million on a convention exhibit only to have most of the people they want to present it to spend all their time in a nearby casino.
Can you trust any Democrat with any operation that makes money? Daley and Rahm would skim the money into TIF funds and into the pockets of their friends.
"WE NEED A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE CAN EARN MONEY." Daley has for years through regulations and taxes chased the almost all the manufacturing from candy to movies out of Chicago. This is so land developers can build miles of "luxury condos" for Section 8'ers in his Sanctuary City. Will it change under Rahm or will the new RAHM TAXES kill what little is left.
"Please give feedback ..
fire away!!!
2/26/2011 11:39:00 AM"
Spoken like a Blueshirt for Life. Not that there is anything wrong with that but if someone pays for a pension, in any grade they should get it. Remember what the Democrats did with the Social Security benefits we earned.
Why not make all Out of Grade Pay Pensionable. If P.O.s acting as F.T.O.s or Desk Sergeants, or any other upgrade got the Out of Grade "stipend" pensionable it would be better for the individual involved and would make the city do more promotions.
Ramsey starts Tuesday.
2/25/2011 09:59:00 PM
Please, NO! He's gone 13 years. I hope he is gone a lot more years. Better yet, I hope he stays gone forever. He might be home grown, but he is a bad apple!
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