More Disbanding Rumors
Hillard's moves getting more and more play in the media - and of course, it has to have a racial angle in Chicago:
African-American aldermen said Thursday they’re all for interim Police Supt. Terry Hillard’s plan to reassign officers from specialized units to the patrol division — but only if those freed-up officers go to high-crime districts.
Supt. Jody Weis resigned earlier this month before delivering on the police re-allocation he had promised.
So the next best thing might be Hillard’s plan to siphon 100 officers from the 260-member Mobile Strike Force — and possibly pull officers from other specialized units such as one that focuses on seizing guns from gang members — the aldermen said.
We see a lot of people getting shifted to crappy districts, then the Department not opening up bids for a few years like they managed to do during large parts of J-Fled's reign.
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posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
122 Comments:
Crappy districts? You can bid to any district you want to, as long as it is 3,4,5,6,7,11, or 15.
The desk jockeys are getting paranoid, tap dancing for the bosses to prove their worth.
TRU 163
MSF 270
GEU 250(guess)
GEU needs to go back to the districs as gang teams under the direction of the commander. A large portion of GEU never works in the districts they came from, so put them back and let the commander use them and hold the commander accountable.
SO that leaves 443 between tru and msf. Combine both units and send half back to the districts that need them most,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11, and 15.
So your sending back about 220 or 22 to each district, probably between 3rd and 1st watch. So now you are adding 5 cars to each watch, not a bad start. But subtract 10% furlough, 20% CU, and 10% iod/medical. So that give you about 3 per watch. This is where the need for msf/tru comes to light. You can mobilize about 20-25 cars in about 15 minutes to help anywhere that is needed.
Someone in 3 claimed msf never helps on crime scenes or police shootings in 3, probably true, because TRU is almost always in 003. TRU has responded to many emergency scenes, the responsibility being crime scene perimeter which frees up the beat cars. I have witnesses several HBT scenes where TRU did this and was more than willing to help in anyway possible.
Someone else complained that TRU or MSF never handle jobs, I cant speak for MSF but TRU coded out more than 19,000 jobs in 2010. About 10,000 were self initiated traffic and street stops, the rest were radio jobs. In the grand scheme of things 19,000 coded jobs isnt a lot, but break that down to about 10 districts and thats 1900 per district that the beat officers didnt have to handle.
The biggest problem with TRU,MSF, and GEU is the elitist attitude that a small amount of the officers posess. Of course just like the citizen that gets stopped by a jackoff copper, one bad encounter muddies up the water for everyone else.
The guys that I work with everyday will do our job no matter where we are, mainly because we dont want to see anymore police offiers hurt. Also thanks to shitty raises we need court, overtime, etc..
The problems with units is long lunches, early outs, to many on arrests,etc. The problem with beat coppers is dogging jobs, lack of productivity, etc.
Read between the lines and the big problem is FRONT LINE SUPERVISION, Sgts not being sgts and field lts not being field lts. The above things occur because of bad supervisors. To many supervisors want to be best buddies with the troops instead of being their boss. The biggest complainers tend to be the biggest offenders of the above items mentioned. The consistenlty hard workers dont have time to complain but still are effected by the "dogs". When the worker sees a "dog" getting taken care of for doing nothing, they become jaded.
Supervisors need to step up and call the "dogs" out, no matter who they are, and quit worrying about if someone is going to bad mouth you on this blog.
260 member MSF?!
Don't they have around 400 detailed?
I am a hardworking MSF officer and this is grossly unfair. I used to work in 025 1st watch and I made a lot of arrests. A lot of good quality arrests. I worked my fucking tail off!!!!
Now you mean to tell me that even though I live in 016, I will have to work in 003, 007, 004, etc... in a fucking beat car? Probably on 1st watch?
This should be a lesson to all of the hard working, young, dynamic, aggressive police officers- this department doesn't care about you and your numbers. They just care about themselves.
We were advised today in MSF that we are losing people back to patrol, not sure how many yet.. A merge with TRU is also probably forthcoming...
Hmmm lets take officers who "take guns from gangmembers" so they can go to a high crime district beat car and listen to "My son called me all kinds of bitches and hoes" jobs. Seems about like Chicago. The stupidity of politicians, reverands and other people who all have an opinion but no idea what they are talking about continues to astound me. I guess its best to just try and not think about it.
-not in a unit
MSF to use seniority to determine who goes back to districts
Patrol needs something to work towards. Its almost impossible to get promoted unless you got juice. Same thing with a unit. The desire to be the real police and at least try and help people goes way down when you see no possibility of advancement and people constantly screaming and shooting at you and being painted as the bad guy for it in the media.
My 2 Cents:
Outside units are necessary, despite patrol being short. However, they should be smaller and more EFFICIENT. That being said.....
TRU: A good idea, but not implemented effectively. The wolfpack is safer, but not always necessary. 3 cars on 1 stop cover 66& less ground than 3 cars on 3 stops. Performance Evaluation system should be used to weed-out non-producers. Could be cut in half- keeping the most productive half (merging them with MSF, and having North/South teams). The new mixed unit shold follow TRU method of policing.
MSF: A good idea in theory, but the most expendable in my book. If you would like to dry fire, thousands of officers in the city do so in their basement or bedroom. MSF receives extra training, which is always good, but also a luxury which is not prudent right now. MSF has similar goals as TRU- territory occupation- and that can be achieved through aggressive patrol alone, without specialized training. Half of the Unit can be cut, merging the most productive half with TRU.
GEU: The least expendable of the 3units. Should be downsized, but based on activity, not seniority. Every team has at least 1 or 2 guys that ride everyone elses coat tails- who have not registered an informant, or written a search warrant since the unit started, and rarely if ever do you find them in box 1 or 2. Trim the fat, and you can cut 60-70 guys with minimal, if any drop in productivity. Using reverse seniority is not necessary, and might hurt productivity. It doesnt make sense to have a "hair gel" with registered informants, who writes warrants, and knows the game and how the unit works to be pushing a beat car instead of a tag-along.
Its been a long road for me, and I've been wrong a lot before, butthose are just my ideas.
Anonymous said...
This should be a lesson to all of the hard working, young, dynamic, aggressive police officers- this department doesn't care about you and your numbers. They just care about themselves.
3/25/2011 02:38:00 AM
This is a lesson that every generation of police officer on the CPD must learn. The one thing, more than anything else, that makes dog asses out of good police officers is bad supervisors and clout and the insidious negative effect it has on the vast majority of police officers without clout.
Clout gets sons & daughters & mistresses & wives of the connected into great spots and rank and destroys any feeling of pride among the rest.
And their answer is always "if you don't like it you can quit."
This house needs to come tumbling down.
THe bottom line for all these specialized units is they do not want to answer calls or write reports. Drive away with the victim only later to return and dump it on the beat car because there is no arrest. Most of these guys might have spent 2 or 3 years in patrol and that included time with their FTO. They made their phone call and became the real police without a clue, they wouldn't know how to make a quality arrest if it hit them in the face, it's all about their ego. Life's a bitch welcome to the real world of a beat officer and if you don't like it well here a quarter tell someone who cares
The problems with units is long lunches, early outs, to many on arrests,etc. The problem with beat coppers is dogging jobs, lack of productivity, etc.
Read between the lines and the big problem is FRONT LINE SUPERVISION, Sgts not being sgts and field lts not being field lts. The above things occur because of bad supervisors. To many supervisors want to be best buddies with the troops instead of being their boss. The biggest complainers tend to be the biggest offenders of the above items mentioned. The consistenlty hard workers dont have time to complain but still are effected by the "dogs". When the worker sees a "dog" getting taken care of for doing nothing, they become jaded.
Supervisors need to step up and call the "dogs" out, no matter who they are, and quit worrying about if someone is going to bad mouth you on this blog.
3/25/2011 12:42:00 AM
Problem with front line supervisors??? Yes, there are not enough!!! You cannot effecgtively supervise 30 people on one Sgts log.
Field Lt?????? You MUST be a nothsider because we have not had the luxury of a field Lt. here on the southside for quite some time.
Here is the thanks for all your hard work!
Doesn't MSF ALREADY work in high-crime districts?
It's not as if they're not already on the street.
What kind of nonsense is this?
"The biggest problem with TRU,MSF, and GEU is the elitist attitude that a small amount of the officers posess."
It's called espirit de corps, knowing you're part of something bigger than yorself, being part of a team.
Too bad most of the department has lost this feeling-"it's all about ME!"
"this department doesn't care about you and your numbers."
...and nobody careas about patrol!
YOU GOT PUNKED!
This was all a set up from the beginning for
all the morons that just don't see it.
Remember everyone talking about reallocating
Officers to high crime districts and All the alderman
In the nicer wards protesting NO?
Well my little friends they created all these units temporarily, then assigned (not detailed) those officers, then closed the bids in the more desirable
Districts and then now finally they are disbanding them
back into the higher crime districts into patrol.
This way those high crime aldermanic wards get
what they want and the City is not violating the
Union contract because you were too stupid
to see it coming and you volunteered and were assigned.
The bosses in the know all knew about the scheme.
Why do you think Leo is out of town?
Have fun driving from 016 to 004 you hard
Chargers and don't forget your carbine
that will have to be locked in your trunk
unless the situation meets very specific criteria.
This should be a lesson to all of the hard working, young, dynamic, aggressive police officers- this department doesn't care about you and your numbers. They just care about themselves.
Dude, be happy you still have a job. Didn't your FTO tell you this?
Get rid of TRU, GEU and MSF. Officers in the Districts are taking a beating out there. So, no love lost with these special officers in these special units who have gotten special treatment going back to the district.
3/25/2011 12:35:00 AM
Not to flame but your count on the coded is "self initiated street stops" why should that count?
my advice to those getting dumped: you are not the first, you won't be the last. take pride in your work. be the person and the copper you always have been, don't let the system get you down. if it does get you down just remember you still have a job, and the way this country is heading having a job will be more important than what unit you are in.
An interim sup that doesn't plan on holding the position shouldn't make a drastic change in the dept. Which will effect the morale of the members being screwed. Let's take msf out the shit districts and place them back to the shit districts where they already get no respect because they are an outside unit and let's expect them to work just as hard when they live across the city and your screwing them. To many voices in wanting change but let the guy leaving in may be the bad guy because who cares he will be gone anyways and the voices that hid behind the shadows will act like they had no part remember some of you were all officers at one point screwing hard workers just makes dog and that makes you look bad in the long run
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I am a hardworking MSF officer and this is grossly unfair. I used to work in 025 1st watch and I made a lot of arrests. A lot of good quality arrests. I worked my fucking tail off!!!!
Now you mean to tell me that even though I live in 016, I will have to work in 003, 007, 004, etc... in a fucking beat car? Probably on 1st watch?
This should be a lesson to all of the hard working, young, dynamic, aggressive police officers- this department doesn't care about you and your numbers. They just care about themselves.
3/25/2011 02:38:00 AM
great job officer! Now for all that hard work how many cr numbers? How many times sued? See it is not worth it, push the beat car answer jobs that is all!
Funny how Alderman Brookins said the police in some north side districts have to create something to do while the south side and west side district officers are in a backlog. OK does anyone ever ask "Why is that"? He is demanding more police for his and other south and west side wards. OK how about this the number of police is equal to the size of taxes paid in that area. But instead we have Tax the so called rich to Police the poor. How about teaching people how to act properly and have some self restraint. Na never happen...
MSF to use seniority to determine who goes back to districts
--so if you don't have enough time on the job your gonna have stay in MSF---
To 2:38am,,,,,Tough Shit......the rest of us had shit assignments and long drives when we started out too.
You MSF guys really believe your BS, don't you?
All those 4 year wonders in MSF and TRU are about to get a lesson in how things work, I hope you guys like driving to the other side of the city to work.
Get rid of the fancy BMWs and Land Rovers and get a go to work beater car.
"GEU needs to go back to the districts as gang teams under the direction of the commander".............
Wrong. Prior to centralization under the GEU title, Gang teams on paper were listed in their Districts but reported to the Area Deputy Chief's Office. However, District Commanders/Tact Lieutenants absconded them as additions to their needs for more missions in the district.
Now as area teams, Gangs report to one spot, are able to share information easier with each other, and are not "restricted" by District/Area boundaries which mean nothing to the many gangs since they spread out over multiple districts. The OCD title is a bonus since it allows those who are working access to 1505 funds, paying registered CIs, and all the surveillance toys not afforded to Patrol.
Do they need to weed out dead weight, absolutely. And unlike Patrol, it could easily be done since Units are not subject to the notion of "Reverse Seniority". However, after trimming the fat, then build it up with those willing to work for the spot.
As far as MSF/TRU, leave them. Let them go to the ghetto districts to flood areas to pacify the reverends and aldermen (cars will end up being detailed from other districts for a tour anyway) However, reassign duties so that a portion at roll call can “Wolf Pack” while another portion acts as a supplement to the Beat cars answering calls. Then, assign them accordingly based on which Districts are having the highest work volumes/calls for service, and reassign throughout the tour to adjust as needed.
And in response to “Supervisors need to step up….”, true in some cases but if that Supervisor tried to step up to you or similar discontents, you would be the first to complain and run to the FOP. I’ve seen it time and time again.
As a Supervisor in a crappy District, I understand both sides of the argument. I like seeing the outside help because we are so strapped. I empathize with those who made a good number of arrests and were able to get out and go to where life is good. Let me give you some perspective from my side of the aisle...
They took a good number of our Supervisors. They took our good hard-chargers and left us the very young, the very old, and the lazy. The young and the lazy need extra supervision, which was taken from us.
Taking our hard-working Police to an outside unit also took away mentors and role models to our young Officers. Now who do they learn policing from? The dogs? Other new kids? I try to teach, but there are too many and I don't ride with them. They need to learn from other Patrolmen in the car with them, not just by listening to and watching a Sgt.
With manpower stripped, our District Patrolmen in busy Districts are getting burned out earlier and demoralized by a constant backlog, no time for hunting, watching the "elites" calling for a paper car when they on-view something (this breeds resentment). Many of these new Officers don't know how to patrol and look for things because they never have had time to to do so and never learned from anybody.
The outside guys have no idea of the hotspots and who the players are. Many have no idea of the streets. I have heard too many "lost" Officers in foot chases. This is not safe. The outside guys ride the main drags and stop anyone they see. That leads to community resentment and complaints, as well as CR#'s which our District Supervisors often have to handle (because most citizens don't get a Bt #). If an Officer works in the District they can learn all the people and spots and police safely if there is the manpower.
Our District kids can't even get time due as often because we are so short.
I can see a use for a unit like the old SOS, but I think that Jody took things too far.
To conclude, I will reiterate that I appreciate the presence when you come around. But, sorry guys, I want you back. We need the help. Badly...
I am a hardworking MSF officer and this is grossly unfair. I used to work in 025 1st watch and I made a lot of arrests. A lot of good quality arrests. I worked my fucking tail off!!!!
Now you mean to tell me that even though I live in 016, I will have to work in 003, 007, 004, etc... in a fucking beat car? Probably on 1st watch?
This should be a lesson to all of the hard working, young, dynamic, aggressive police officers- this department doesn't care about you and your numbers. They just care about themselves 2:38am
Its called paying your dues junior. "GROSSLY UNFAIR"??? lol..
The fact of the matter is that most of you "special", "elite", "best of the best" where hair gels who had no time on the job, where probably dying to get on tact, or just wanted to get off midnights.
So now like everyone who has come before you, do your time in the beat car and
EARN your spot on a tact. team...
EARN your time to bid to a closer district...
EARN your time to bid off midnights...
All in due time son. Now go out there and make PAPA proud.... LOL.
Boo hooo, youare making me cry! So you live north and might have to travel to the south or west side to work? You are not a 10 buck an hour security guard, but a well paid and compensated professional police officer. I know plenty of people who travel 50 miles or more for a job that does not pay anything near what you get. And, on top of that, they do not have free parking when they get there. Times are tough for everyone, Stop the crying and do your job . Things will get better .
Hey, I just had a good idea!
Since there is all this talk of downsizing government to save money, why don't we cut the number of Chicago Aldermen in half?
What?
No, it's my idea!
what constitutes being called a "dog"--- are we not all going to jobs that pose a risk to our safety--- if you look at an officer who is a little long in the tooth and decide that he/she is a dog do you know what they have done on this job or where they have been--- as an officer accumulates time on this job they also accumulate a lot of baggage--- lawsuits, bad beefs, physical injury, failed marriages--- if you are laying on your back in a dark alley littered with broken glass fighting for your life it may be the guy you thought was a total dog that saves your life--- lets all stay together and quit the dick measuring bullshit....
This should be a lesson to all of the hard working, young, dynamic, aggressive police officers- this department doesn't care about you and your numbers. They just care about themselves.
3/25/2011 02:38:00 AM
If you EVER thought any differently, then you aren't nearly as "dynamic" or intelligent as you believe yourself to be.
Now you mean to tell me that even though I live in 016, I will have to work in 003, 007, 004, etc... in a fucking beat car? Probably on 1st watch?
This should be a lesson to all of the hard working, young, dynamic, aggressive police officers- this department doesn't care about you and your numbers. They just care about themselves.
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Honestly, I DO feel sorry for whoever is going back to the Districts. I really hope that Supt. Hillard won't listen to any Aldercreatures and send you guys to the crappy Districts in which some of you will have to drive an hour just to get to work. I was in Specialized Unit and when it got disbanded, the Department did accommodate us by sending us back to a nearest Districts where we live. But, at that time manpower was not the issue on why they disbanded the unit. I know a couple of good guys in MSF and I hope that those guys get the districts they wanna go back to. Also, one thing I learned in this department, do not act like you're the baddest motherfucker (you know who you are!!)because nothing is guaranteed FOREVER.. Always be humble.. Anyway, goodluck and be safe. It's not the end of the world..
My two cents wrote:MSF receives extra training, which is always good, but also a luxury which is not prudent right now.
Not prudent right now and it's a luxury, meaning what? Any extra training received by police should be looked at as essential, necessary, and very prudent and I mean on all levels and all units. We are a diverse city with an extremely diverse set of problems and situations the more training the better. When the shit hits the fan who's ass you think they are going to send to the front lines. Remember who the blue canaries are? And if you think it's a luxury to be prepared to better defend your life and that of others your a dumb ass apparently all you care about is the bottom-line and making sure Joe citizen gets their report.
If only the shit districts receive manpower from this then that's wrong. Patrol citywide is short not just the ghetto districts.
To hell with the play revruns and the ghetto aldercreatures. Disperse the manpower evenly so all districts can benefit from the few extra bodies this would provide.
Are they saying that the non- minority districts aren't deserving of adequate manpower??
I am a hardworking MSF officer and this is grossly unfair. I used to work in 025 1st watch and I made a lot of arrests. A lot of good quality arrests. I worked my fucking tail off!!!!
Now you mean to tell me that even though I live in 016, I will have to work in 003, 007, 004, etc... in a fucking beat car? Probably on 1st watch?
3/25/2011 02:38:00 AM
Bid to 16 and problem solved.
"My 2 Cents:
Outside units are necessary, despite patrol being short. However, they should be smaller and more EFFICIENT. That being said....."
You're obviously from TRU, MSF has the better numbers most guns with heads recovered, more time on the street due to the fact that TRU gets cut at midnight, MSF stay till 2:30am. TRU is a numbers unit and as soon as they get their numbers (movers, impounds, contact cards) they're gone for the night. MSF doesn't need numbers but they beat TRU in felony arrests? Numbers don't lie. That being said they should be combined and cut. You need more police on the street arresting these mutts. Sure it helps taking over crime scenes to free up beat guys. But those beat guys are cops too that sadly (some) don't work anyway. I'm all for letting the aggressive cops police, let the guys who want to make their money go make their money. We need a unit to head into the hot districts that have more crime than others, you just do. Patrol should always be fully staffed and the only way is to hire more cops, just can't get around it. Stop holding one unit higher than another, theyre there for the same purpose. I'm all for better training, we should all be pushing for that. Be safe guys watch your backs summer is gonna hit like a freight train!!!
why not get some p.o. out of O C D !!!
TRU and MSF are very similar. TRU handles 003,004,005,006.
MSF handles 003,004,006,007,008,009,010,011,015,025.
As for combining the units to do it the "TRU" way..what the hell does that mean. Both units handle jobs in the districts, help out on crime scenes..and everything else.
These aldermen think the units are too heavy handed when coming into a district..well how about "NO-handed" when people get put into a place they dont want to be. A lot of good that will do.
Oh yeah...FUCK YOU GEORGAS!!!
You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.
Lets compare the numbers between TRU, MSF and GEU and lets see who does more work... Quality work? I am in GEU and we have taken over 800 guns off the street.in 2010, executed over 600 search warrants... GEU does go after some of the big fish.. And makes a difference.. Not to the extent that gang investigations is allowed to or narcotics because they are run differently and they can do longer term investigations where they can get conspiracy charges on these dope dealers.. If we were able to do what they do we would be doing the same thing. We have many guys who are very good at what they do and we have some guys who are total dogs who need to get dumped.. Dump the dogs and let us do what was promised in the beginning and we will continue to make a huge difference. Im not bashing other units but I have been in this game over 15 years and there is waste everywhere.. Dogs.. Trim the fat and let the workers continue working.
Anonymous said...
The problems with units is long lunches, early outs, to many on arrests,etc. The problem with beat coppers is dogging jobs, lack of productivity, etc.
Read between the lines and the big problem is FRONT LINE SUPERVISION, Sgts not being sgts and field lts not being field lts. The above things occur because of bad supervisors. To many supervisors want to be best buddies with the troops instead of being their boss. The biggest complainers tend to be the biggest offenders of the above items mentioned. The consistenlty hard workers dont have time to complain but still are effected by the "dogs". When the worker sees a "dog" getting taken care of for doing nothing, they become jaded.
Supervisors need to step up and call the "dogs" out, no matter who they are, and quit worrying about if someone is going to bad mouth you on this blog.
This would be politically incorrect
and do you believe that the majority of the the merit promoted supervisors give a dam about hard work. They mad it by who they know not their work ethic.
MSF and TRU need to be downsized or disbanded. They have too much free time to take long lunches crowding up restaurants in the districts, and hanging out at district desks looking at the internet for hours at a time. I know they serve a purpose, but they do absolutely nothing to help when they are in the districts, because they refuse to scratch out a report for anything, they don't help out at crimes scenes, and they hardly ever code out a job. Great idea by the Sup to downsize these units to help patrol.
I am a hardworking MSF officer and this is grossly unfair. I used to work in 025 1st watch and I made a lot of arrests. A lot of good quality arrests. I worked my fucking tail off!!!!
Now you mean to tell me that even though I live in 016, I will have to work in 003, 007, 004, etc... in a fucking beat car? Probably on 1st watch?
This should be a lesson to all of the hard working, young, dynamic, aggressive police officers- this department doesn't care about you and your numbers. They just care about themselves.
Oh shit, god forbid you have to go back to a "fucking beat car" you dynamic super trooper.
This can all be resolved in one simple way...002 is combined with the 021st District and 008 is split in half with a new 021st District built somewhere around Archer/Harlem
Why are the bulk of the resources always allocated to those that contribute the least to society and consume the most. We need a complete change to our society.
What about officers assigned to federal tasks forces?
I work in MSF and came from a shitty south side district. If I get sent back there, oh well. I'm still gonna do my job. I'm tired of reading posts from other coppers whining about what we lost and what they took away. Just deal with it. It was a good run.
MSF to use seniority to determine who goes back to districts
Horrible idea, seniority has its place but not here. If you use it you are setting a future precedent in other units.
Get rid of the dead weight. Whether you like it or not these are activity based units, so go by activity. You want to be more specific use arresting not assisting statistics.
Sounds like alot of these younger guys in the about to be disbanded "units" really bought into the idea that this department values hard work. Sorry, clout rules all. This realization will make you pissed off and disgusted, as it should. When the dust settles and you're non-clout ass is sitting in a rollcall room back on the watch trying to make sense of it all, keep this in mind. Sure, some hard workers will get to stay in one of the "units", but so will alot of the dumb asses. How will this be possible? Clout. If you don't have that almighty phone call, rest assured you will be sent back to a district. Sorry. It sucks. I remember when I came to the realization that my hard work alone was never going to get me to narcotics, vice, gang intelligence, etc. It's demoralizing. The best place you can get to with hard work and no phone call are tact teams, TRU, MSF, and saturation. In any of the real units a phone call is mandatory. Gang Intelligence isn't going to give a shit that you were box 5 on a rock pinch thousands of times. Clout rules. All is not lost. There are still guys that are aggressive on watches all over the city. When your non-clout ass is dumped you can hook up with them and make decent arrests. You'll learn the lesson that hard work alone will only get you a sense of self- satisfaction that you are doing your job to the best of your ability. That's something.
The problems with units is long lunches, early outs, to many on arrests,etc. The problem with beat coppers is dogging jobs, lack of productivity, etc.
Read between the lines and the big problem is FRONT LINE SUPERVISION, Sgts not being sgts and field lts not being field lts. The above things occur because of bad supervisors. To many supervisors want to be best buddies with the troops instead of being their boss. The biggest complainers tend to be the biggest offenders of the above items mentioned. The consistenlty hard workers dont have time to complain but still are effected by the "dogs". When the worker sees a "dog" getting taken care of for doing nothing, they become jaded.
Supervisors need to step up and call the "dogs" out, no matter who they are, and quit worrying about if someone is going to bad mouth you on this blog.
3/25/2011 12:42:00 AM
Supervisors call the dogs out...shit they don't want to do that because someone might drop a dime and tell how the Sgts. love splitting the shift and are pushing the PO's out of the way to leave early....before they try coming down on the so called dogs they had better look in the mirror..That also goes for Lts. and Capts....I think it was once called leading by example....now its called leading by a bad example.
"Never be afarid of a BEAT CAR, kid."
My FTO told me this over 16 years ago. It was true then, and true today.
Read between the lines and the big problem is FRONT LINE SUPERVISION, Sgts not being sgts and field lts not being field lts. The above things occur because of bad supervisors. To many supervisors want to be best buddies with the troops instead of being their boss. The biggest complainers tend to be the biggest offenders of the above items mentioned. The consistenlty hard workers dont have time to complain but still are effected by the "dogs". When the worker sees a "dog" getting taken care of for doing nothing, they become jaded.
Supervisors need to step up and call the "dogs" out, no matter who they are, and quit worrying about if someone is going to bad mouth you on this blog.
Amen, I agree. Time for Sgt's to stand up and be leaders!
I am assigned to TRU, if we get sent back so be it thats the chance we took. Since Ive been on the job other Units have come and gone and the department goes on. Remember Gangs, Housing, the School Unit, and S.O.S.. Sooner or later we all get replaced and three years later another unit will be formed with a new name to do the same job. My only beef is that once we get back to the districts we will be doing are job along with 80% of the P.O.s but 20% will be doing even less than they do now. The Supervisors, particularly Sergeants have to stand up and do their jobs or this whole experiment will be for naught.
Read between the lines and the big problem is FRONT LINE SUPERVISION,
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As a front line supervisor I used to ride the dogs and try to get them to work. I found that you will never get a lazy cop to do what they are supposed to. When M Perry became the commander of 002, it became 100 x worse. When I continued to do my job as a supervisor the dogs got together and filed a discrimination beef against me. So who got punished here? When I left there and went to the west side and got a tact team, I still hadn't learned my lesson. I was given people who reflected the community to work on the team. When these officers did nothing everyday, I tried to get them to work to no avail. There was also the amazing sense of entitlement from most of the officers simply for showing up to work. Never mind the numbers, they felt they should be taken care of all the time without earning it. When I tried to get rid of them suddenly I became the problem. Why was I causing trouble? Why was I such a poor manager, why was I such a bad supervisor. Until you become a front line supervisor you really don't understand that the department is set up against the supervisor who tries to do his or her job. Too many people with politcal connections, to much racial politics, too much favoritism, too much nepotism. The job becomes trying to find the path of least resistance. Sad, but true. I wish it was different but this is it.
Lets stop trying to justify what each unit does....The bosses are gonna do what they r gonna do.....Hell, im in M.S.F and our bosses are lying to us every roll call about removing officers.....does anyone remember S.O.S
Swiping in is coming back.
The Gravy Train is over, you will now be tried to the radio and half hour lunch, in your own mind you make a difference, but in reality life will go on without you and your unit. Oh yea you won't be able to stick out your chest and impress anybody with your name tag anymore HaHA it will now say 011 Harrison, 006 Gresham, 015 Austin etc. welcome to the real world this is what the job is all about.
I am a hardworking MSF officer and this is grossly unfair. I used to work in 025 1st watch and I made a lot of arrests. A lot of good quality arrests. I worked my fucking tail off!!!!
Now you mean to tell me that even though I live in 016, I will have to work in 003, 007, 004, etc... in a fucking beat car? Probably on 1st watch?
This should be a lesson to all of the hard working, young, dynamic, aggressive police officers- this department doesn't care about you and your numbers. They just care about themselves.
Now take your three years on the job and go back to patrol because that is where you belong. You have no business in a unit earn your time and reapply. See Ya Goof
We wish we can have all of our guys & gals who went to MSF from 025, especially 1st Watch, the motivated, hard working, young, dynamic, aggressive police officers. Sadly to say but almost everyone that came to 025 1st Watch is "I don't want do shit and i can't wait to go home". The funny thing is, the DEPT were trying to shift guys from slower DSTs, but almost everyone that came to 1st Watch through the bid is from 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 11 and 15. How fucking ironic. Now you got fill those DSTs up again. Stop opening the Bids to 025, just bring our guys & gals from MSF back.
I am a hardworking MSF officer and this is grossly unfair. I used to work in 025 1st watch and I made a lot of arrests. A lot of good quality arrests. I worked my fucking tail off!!!!
3/25/2011 02:38:00 AM
What the hell did you think was gonna happen? You knew when you went to MSF, and we do remember when you and your group of friends went, that nothing lasts forever and details / assignments change. Were you not paying attention when SOS got disbanded and all those officers got scattered. Partner-ships broken and all sorts of happy tales. Remember when they decided gang team officers would now be assigned to areas and districts. Oh no, you thought you were special because you worked your tail off. You are a link in the chain. If you didnt want to leave the district close to your house, then you shouldnt have left the district close to your house. I am sorry you are losing your spot due to B.S. changes in the Dept mentality, but don't cry about it.
006th District Officer:
Great Job by everyone last night! All these rumors about disbanding should be put aside. Thanks to the 004th, 003rd, & TRU for helping set a perimeter and helping catch offenders. I can't tell you how many officers were there, but this is a prime example why we need a roaming unit. If a major incident happens, then having a unit to support the district makes perfect sense.
I live in 016 and will probably have to work in 003, 004, 007....probably on a fucking beat car on first watch?
Maybe you will learn something about being the police or is that not in the game plan? You are proving my theory about Starbucks coffee.
RU 163
MSF 270
GEU 250(guess)
GEU needs to go back to the districs as gang teams under the direction of the commander. A large portion of GEU never works in the districts they came from, so put them back and let the commander use them and hold the commander accountable.
GEU is well over 400 bodies. two teams from each district went there. thats 16 officers and two sgts from each team. 16 officers X 25 districts = 400. 2 sgts X 25districts = 50 sgt. I dont know how many Lt's are there but they also have a few bodies for inside work, timekeeping etc. A better estimate for GEU would be about 475-500 bodies. I say put half back in the districts and keep the teams with the best productivity. then cut 170 from msf and 63 from TRU. Combine the two under one unit for a 200 man unit. that brings back a total of about 485 people back to patrol. throw in another 50 for area gun teams and now your up 535. say those people go to 15 different districts throughout the city and that brings in an additional 35 officers to each district. roughly 12 officers per watch which would mean an additional 6 ten four cars per watch... not bad.
Some of us at GEU dont want to do shit cause of the supervisors we have around us. Tried to get out but they werent allowing anyone to move.
GEU is well over 400 bodies. two teams from each district went there. thats 16 officers and two sgts from each team. 16 officers X 25 districts = 400. 2 sgts X 25districts = 50 sgt. I dont know how many Lt's are there but they also have a few bodies for inside work, timekeeping etc. A better estimate for GEU would be about 475-500 bodies.
I like your math...but there hasn't been a full team in GEU since it started. If you are guessing there are 500 bodies, it's probably more like 250....
This is exactly what they wanted and of course we fall right into it. We should be yelling for the city to hire more police instead of ripping each other about units and 3 year wonder nonsense.
"GEU is well over 400 bodies. two teams from each district went there. thats 16 officers and two sgts from each team. 16 officers X 25 districts = 400"
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Your talking out of your ass. You assumed that all gang teams in the city were fully staffed...they were not...then you assume everyone made the transition to the area...they didnt. I work in a north side district and know that A/3 for instance has about 38-40 GEU officers and about 6 or 7 sgts. according to you they should have 80 Po's and 10 sgt. They dont! Check your stats before you start making up nonsense. They are already at about 1/2 strength. I am sure other Areas are similar.
Shame on you guys. "fucking beat car", msf, tru, geu, WTF! All you 3yr wonders too 'good' to work in a district, too good for a beat car. Had you spent any time in that beat car you'd find there is NO shame in working patrol. Your best work will come form pushing that beat car.
(*haven't any of these wonderboys n girls figured out WHY there's not many with any real time on the job in these goofy units?*)
Waste of manpower, radios, cars. Send em all back to the districts from whence they came.
Weis's guys sgt. Curry and commander Roussel from MSF should be the first one's to go.
I am a hardworking MSF officer and this is grossly unfair. I used to work in 025 1st watch and I made a lot of arrests. A lot of good quality arrests. I worked my fucking tail off!!!!
Now you mean to tell me that even though I live in 016, I will have to work in 003, 007, 004, etc... in a fucking beat car? Probably on 1st watch?
This should be a lesson to all of the hard working, young, dynamic, aggressive police officers- this department doesn't care about you and your numbers. They just care about themselves.
3/25/2011 02:38:00 AM
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Congratulations, you have learned a very important, and stinging lesson here with the CPD. Nothing lasts forever. You should have known better when you sold your soul and put in a permanent bid for MSF, that the consequence is when its over, you're at the Dept's mercy for next assignment.
And for the comment about remember what happened to the guys when SOS was disbanded, shit, none of these kids in MSF were even on the job when that happened!
Take your lumps, like everyone else has, and go back to patrol. Now you can learn your job again and try to bid elsewhere just like the rest of us have!
Pathetic, I read this shit and all I
see is a bunch of grown ass people wanting to find blame with others and crying about taking a chance in your careers that did not go your way! Stop this bullshit and take a moment to reflect on the fact that you have a job , are still alive and they can't take away your birthday and move forward. Give thanks everyday to the good lord and say a prayer for those that have given their lives on this job ! Do not argue amongst ourselves about who is better than who or what unit is this ,that or the other. We are the police ,support each other and do your jobs !
You kidden me? If I get launched out of TRU I'm going back to housing. --- The Woj
OT ~ No Longer Rumor
Chicago Police To Put More Feet On The Street
With warmer weather and the increased violence that comes with it, the Chicago Police Department plans to shift nearly 500 plainclothes officers back to uniformed patrol duties to boost police visibility on the street.
At a press conference at police headquarters, interim Superintendent Terry Hillard said more than 70 officers from specialized units have already been moved and nearly 400 additional district tactical officers will follow.
http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/news/
local/chibrknews-chicago-police-to-put-more-feet-on-the-street-20110325,0,7838289.story
"Patrol is the backbone of the Chicago Police Department," Hillard said. "Every other unit in this police department, even the superintendent's office, is a support unit for patrol."
Ill take 7 please can I bring my ky with me so I dont bleed
All you lazy fucks that are complaining are probably the same ones that tried to get into TRU, MSF or GEU but were probably dog asses who didn't do shit and didn't get in. Go fuck yourselves and stop whining. I was in 5, gangs and now msf and I don't take two hour lunches, I answer jobs wherever I'm at and I do my own paper. Were in the districts, making stops in marked cars and uniform and is a hundred coppers spread out all over the southside really gonna make a difference. I doubt it but for all those who seem to think so good luck with that shit. I will do whatever cause I don't have a choice I will do what I do because its the way this job is. Get used to being dumped. It's not my first or last time. This is smoke and mirrors as always. Shuffling people around to make it look like there is more than actual. Another way to get out of hiring more officers. Instead of throwing each other under the bus how about we stick together. Holy shit what a concept, what the fuck am I thinking. Most of the time you can't get two coppers to agree on a lunch location let alone back each other in an argument. They are fucking with all of us. This is just the beginning. Brace yourself and get out the lube. And the elitest attitude, there is plenty of it all around, even the districts.
Didn't you young guys pay attention when the old timers were telling you not to bite on the Department's bullshit when TRU and MSF were conjured up? Just as it was predicted, the city dicked you guys around. The price you pay for being an "elite" unit that isn't tied to the radio answering bullshit calls and doing bullshit paper like the old, know nothing beat slugs in Patrol.
Tried to help you but you were young, aggressive and knew too much.
forget TRU, MSF, and GEU.....let it go....get back to a District, patrol, beat car!.....your job!....unless you leave for other employment...and dump the exempts also...
Send me to 003 so that I can sit in a Tahoe on the corner of cottage and 63 all night. Yeah patrol baby. Screw a unit.
Swiping in is coming back.
3/25/2011 12:55:00 PM
Swiper no swiping!!!!
I live in 016 and will probably have to work in 003, 004, 007....probably on a fucking beat car on first watch?
No one to blame but your self. You should never have volunteered in the first place. Should have stayed in the district you were originally assigned to.
Anonymous 025 DST 1st Watch said...
We wish we can have all of our guys & gals who went to MSF from 025, especially 1st Watch, the motivated, hard working, young, dynamic, aggressive police officers. Sadly to say but almost everyone that came to 025 1st Watch is "I don't want do shit and i can't wait to go home". The funny thing is, the DEPT were trying to shift guys from slower DSTs, but almost everyone that came to 1st Watch through the bid is from 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 11 and 15. How fucking ironic. Now you got fill those DSTs up again. Stop opening the Bids to 025, just bring our guys & gals from MSF back.
3/25/2011 01:07:00 PM
YOU HAVE GOT TO BE FUCKING KIDDING ME, RIGHT???? Those hard chargers made a lot of good arrests, but at what cost? I saw some of them in action and let me tell you, they are good people but very stupid in the way they go about doing their job.
I work in MSF and came from a shitty south side district. If I get sent back there, oh well. I'm still gonna do my job. I'm tired of reading posts from other coppers whining about what we lost and what they took away. Just deal with it. It was a good run.
Well put. People from A shitty south side district is the only people who should have even volunteered to go to these bs units. If you were in a better district and you still volunteered for the bs unit. Shame on you, you get what you deserve.
what constitutes being called a "dog"--- are we not all going to jobs that pose a risk to our safety--- if you look at an officer who is a little long in the tooth and decide that he/she is a dog do you know what they have done on this job or where they have been--- as an officer accumulates time on this job they also accumulate a lot of baggage--- lawsuits, bad beefs, physical injury, failed marriages--- if you are laying on your back in a dark alley littered with broken glass fighting for your life it may be the guy you thought was a total dog that saves your life--- lets all stay together and quit the dick measuring bullshit....
Totally truthful post. You my friend are 100% correct. That is how all of us should look at the job. Until you walk in some one elses shoes you should not cast judgements. Good post Officer.
Lets compare the numbers between TRU, MSF and GEU and lets see who does more work... Quality work? I am in GEU and we have taken over 800 guns off the street.in 2010, executed over 600 search warrants... GEU does go after some of the big fish.. And makes a difference..
3/25/2011 10:50:00 AM
Lol you can't count the 20 to 30 guns that were part of her old mans gun collection that the old lady turned in after the old man passed away. Let the good citizens keep their guns to protect themselves (like we preach on here regarding our second amendment rights). Also, how many of those 600 search warrants turn up positive and I mean of some quantity or quality (not a few rocks and grandpas old rusty non-working pea shooter).
Anonymous said...
I work in MSF and came from a shitty south side district. If I get sent back there, oh well. I'm still gonna do my job. I'm tired of reading posts from other coppers whining about what we lost and what they took away. Just deal with it. It was a good run.
3/25/2011 11:17:00 AM
Best post here! The truth too.
S.W.A.T. 25 March 2011
To: Bosses at 35th & Michicgan
From: Lt. RAY RAY
Subject: SWAT Vehicles
R/Lt was just wondering if you would find it in your hearts to let us have the take home vehicles we just had to return.
The same take home vehicles I forced some of you Bosses to give up. I'm really sorry and I know you all hate me. But the good news is that the SWAT guys also really hate me.
Just thinking out loud since I'm reading in Sneed's column that TRU, MSF, and GEU are all being sent back to districts.I will now retreat into my Batcave and give "Tactical Barbie" (KB), a call. She will console me because she is the only friend I have on this department, aside from MASTERS!
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Lt RAY RAY
APPROVED:
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Bosses @ 35th & Michigan
Yeah..MSF is really doing a bang up job in Area 4. Examples?
a long form DOPW with SIX p/os on the arrest report.
an SUB with FIVE p/os on the arrest report.
long form traffic tickets on 2 people with SIX p/os on the arrest reports.
Thanks for cleaning up the west side, boys. We couldn't possibly handle those capers without you.
"Some of us at GEU dont want to do shit cause of the supervisors we have around us. Tried to get out but they werent allowing anyone to move."
Quit bullshitting yourself... ever hear of a PAR form?? They cannot stop you from BIDDING out. Contact labor affairs or FOP but stop using bullshit excuses.
OT: It appears that the disbanding of the ISD civilians is back to haunt JL at the remote ISD. Apparently the e-track is down cirtwide and we cannot print arrest reports. According to someone who works there, they have the outside vendor, who they hired to replace the civilians, trying to learn how our systems work, not while they are working properly, but when they are DOWN! Instead of keeping the civilians who knew how to work the systems and put the cops back on the street, he cuts all the civilians to the point that now everything is falling apart and some outside company has to come in, for a pretty price, and figure it out. Maybe Hillard should make JL next on his chopping block, after all, the cuts were made to appease J-Fled and anything with his fingerprint is getting replaced.
Tell the African-American aldermen who do think is committing crime in the white neighborhoods. I pay 7,200.00 in taxes. I want police service when I call for it.
FYI,
Not everyone made the transition from the District Gang Teams to GEU. Some PO's/Sgt's opted to NOT go over. GEU is nowhere near being over 400 officers. They probably closer to 300. Being able to cross district boundaries is a big plus to go after the gang leaders. Something "District" Gang Teams couldn't do without getting a tongue lashing from some W/C that sits behind a desk. W/C's wondering why someone was doing a SW in a district other than their own. "What, we don't have any drug/gun houses in our district?" Gang bangers don't have boudaries thus the need to move with them.
To 3/25/2011 03:05:00 PM:
You obviously are not adept at negotiating the CLEAR system or you'd know that GEU doesn't even have 375 bodies. And each district did not contribute two complete gang teams; quite a few officers stayed in their districts. Keep guessing, though. You might get it right eventually.
"I remember when I came to the realization that my hard work alone was never going to get me to narcotics, vice, gang intelligence, etc."
Weis is gonna fix that! Just give him a chance!
It's all gonna be legit!
"What about officers assigned to federal tasks forces?"
You're joking, right?
Phone call positions will remain untouched. Welcome to CPD.
"MSF: A good idea in theory, but the most expendable in my book. If you would like to dry fire, thousands of officers in the city do so in their basement or bedroom."
I always dry fire with aloe. Less redness and chaffing.
Helpful hint from my friends at TRU and GEU: good to switch hands every now and then.
Da shotcallers messed with the wrong group of workers. Don't F with whats not broken, but you did. Guns, Drugs, Money seized, SW's executed, Parole and Probation Violators put back in prison, hard core scumbags removed from the streets, crime reduced and often eliminated in more areas than you know, gang intel - all of the above and more. Your hard chargers and big number getters are going to soon cease to do what we all once did, thanks to you morons. I'm shaking my head side to side right now and you'll be feeling the difference come change day dummies.
You'll learn the lesson that hard work alone will only get you a sense of self- satisfaction that you are doing your job to the best of your ability. That's something.
3/25/2011 11:32:00 AM
And sometimes that's all it takes. Sort like when I was 17 and knowing I was better at making food than the head chef, but since he was the bosses son... Well, you know how it goes. Clout rules.
Some of us at GEU dont want to do shit cause of the supervisors we have around us. Tried to get out but they werent allowing anyone to move.
3/25/2011 03:31:00 PM
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They're not allowing anyone to move?? I'm pretty sure that if you wanted out and bid for a recognized vacancy, they cannot stop you! But I'm sure you're much too valuable for that are looking to "move" to another unit.
Sorry, no sympathy here!
"Some of us at GEU dont want to do shit cause of the supervisors we have around us. Tried to get out but they werent allowing anyone to move."
---I call bullshit, I know a few people who left and went back to districts and they are very happy!
What about officers assigned to federal tasks forces?
3/25/2011 11:08:00 AM
What about them?
As a front line supervisor I used to ride the dogs and try to get them to work. I found that you will never get a lazy cop to do what they are supposed to. When M Perry became the commander of 002, it became 100 x worse. When I continued to do my job as a supervisor the dogs got together and filed a discrimination beef against me. So who got punished here? When I left there and went to the west side and got a tact team, I still hadn't learned my lesson. I was given people who reflected the community to work on the team. When these officers did nothing everyday, I tried to get them to work to no avail. There was also the amazing sense of entitlement from most of the officers simply for showing up to work. Never mind the numbers, they felt they should be taken care of all the time without earning it. When I tried to get rid of them suddenly I became the problem. Why was I causing trouble? Why was I such a poor manager, why was I such a bad supervisor. Until you become a front line supervisor you really don't understand that the department is set up against the supervisor who tries to do his or her job. Too many people with politcal connections, to much racial politics, too much favoritism, too much nepotism. The job becomes trying to find the path of least resistance. Sad, but true. I wish it was different but this is it.
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AMEN!!
As a retired supervisor, I agree 100% with the comments about the obstacles to becoming an effective front line supervisor. They system is weighted against you. A good sergeant is not backed up by the watch commander and can find themselves alone out there on the street. Then you always get the clowns who damage the sergeant's personal vehicle or use markers to draw obscene pictures on bathroom walls or on the walls of hospital police rooms. You might say these sergeants are pricks and deserve this, but I can assure you this is not the case. Yes, racial politics are strong. I have seen many cases where a white sergeant or lieutenant is accused of racism by black officers who are protected by a black district commander. And, I would bet the same thing happens in the districts with a white commander. I just do not see things getting better and moral improving until someone takes the politics and clout out of this job, or at least most of it. When good, hard working police officers see an absolute do nothing get a merit promotion or a good assignment, it tears their hearts out.The best police officers do this job and do it well because they feel the job is a calling. But, even these officers get discouraged and lose heart after a few years of department politics.
All you MSFers stop crying. They dumped people from units before and will do it again. Crime will not increase after your gone. I know it's a new concept, but you can still make arrest working a beat car. Although you should seek Professional help now that you can't tell everyone you are in an "elite unit". Get over yourselves
As a front line supervisor I used to ride the dogs and try to get them to work. I found that you will never get a lazy cop to do what they are supposed to. When M Perry became the commander of 002, it became 100 x worse. When I continued to do my job as a supervisor the dogs got together and filed a discrimination beef against me. So who got punished here? When I left there and went to the west side and got a tact team, I still hadn't learned my lesson. I was given people who reflected the community to work on the team. When these officers did nothing everyday, I tried to get them to work to no avail. There was also the amazing sense of entitlement from most of the officers simply for showing up to work. Never mind the numbers, they felt they should be taken care of all the time without earning it. When I tried to get rid of them suddenly I became the problem. Why was I causing trouble? Why was I such a poor manager, why was I such a bad supervisor. Until you become a front line supervisor you really don't understand that the department is set up against the supervisor who tries to do his or her job. Too many people with politcal connections, to much racial politics, too much favoritism, too much nepotism. The job becomes trying to find the path of least resistance. Sad, but true. I wish it was different but this is it.
3/25/2011 12:51:00 PM
Well said!
This is prevalent throughout the City, not just CPD. It is EXTREMELY difficult to get rid of the bad apples. If it were possible to bounce a few, then MAYBE some of the other attitudes would change (as in "I may be next").
Currently, no one is affraid of loosing their job.
"The job becomes trying to find the path of least resistance. Sad, but true. I wish it was different but this is it".
AND THERE IT IS, FINALLY!
what constitutes being called a "dog"--- are we not all going to jobs that pose a risk to our safety--- if you look at an officer who is a little long in the tooth and decide that he/she is a dog do you know what they have done on this job or where they have been--- as an officer accumulates time on this job they also accumulate a lot of baggage--- lawsuits, bad beefs, physical injury, failed marriages--- if you are laying on your back in a dark alley littered with broken glass fighting for your life it may be the guy you thought was a total dog that saves your life--- lets all stay together and quit the dick measuring bullshit....
obviously you are one of the above and not the problem,or are you the defintion of a dog.
xx23r handle the traffic accident, sorry squad got a hand waiver.
xx13r is everything ok at that burglar alarm we gave u a hour ago? Yeah I coded that awhile ago, oh we never got it.
etc...etc...etc...
The officers doing this bullshit over and over on purpose are causing everyone else to work harder to cover their slack. These are the true "dogs" of the police department. Yes we all need to work together, but that goes for both sides of the coin.
Well said!
This is prevalent throughout the City, not just CPD. It is EXTREMELY difficult to get rid of the bad apples. If it were possible to bounce a few, then MAYBE some of the other attitudes would change (as in "I may be next").
Currently, no one is affraid of loosing their job.
"The job becomes trying to find the path of least resistance. Sad, but true. I wish it was different but this is it".
AND THERE IT IS, FINALLY!
3/26/2011 11:12:00 AM
We agree.
No matter what spot your in now,what spot you earn or are given in the future, you are just keeping someone elses seat warm. Enjoy it while it is there. It is not about the unit, area or district you work in. It is about the people you work with.
what constitutes being called a "dog"--- are we not all going to jobs that pose a risk to our safety--- if you look at an officer who is a little long in the tooth and decide that he/she is a dog do you know what they have done on this job or where they have been--- as an officer accumulates time on this job they also accumulate a lot of baggage--- lawsuits, bad beefs, physical injury, failed marriages--- if you are laying on your back in a dark alley littered with broken glass fighting for your life it may be the guy you thought was a total dog that saves your life--- lets all stay together and quit the dick measuring bullshit....
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There is a big difference between slowing down and being a "dog".
If you don't know the difference I am guessing you bark when you open your mouth.
As far as being there when I am fighting for my life, the "dog" wouldn't be there to help. That is why we hate them.
I too was and still am a good supervisor, but there are certain protected groups that your superiors shake in thier boots about when they cause a problem and you then do your job, your command staff will turn on you like a dog, even a junk yard dog will treat you better. don't try to correct a problem that has occurred with the so called protected employee. and these Dog Asses know the routine and will never do the job, because they don't have to, got hired because of one reason and only one reason, to fill that spot the the government says , it does not matter who the better qualified person is, just keep the numbers right. I say keep coppers with their own and lets see how the crime stats and numbers do, HA HA.
To 08:36. What are you some one man army? Get over yourself and please save your awesome work ethic. You ass hat welcome to CPD and Chicago. I have an gut feeling this is a "hairball" in B company. JH is this you. Don't make me laugh. Useless in 25 and MSF.
Yeah..MSF is really doing a bang up job in Area 4. Examples?
a long form DOPW with SIX p/os on the arrest report.
an SUB with FIVE p/os on the arrest report.
long form traffic tickets on 2 people with SIX p/os on the arrest reports.
Thanks for cleaning up the west side, boys. We couldn't possibly handle those capers without you
God, I call bullshit on this post I work in 011 and I have seen them bring in some good shit. Some of those guys are good guys they say hello and shoot the shit with you. I can honestly say I have never gotten the elitist attitude. Hey I don't give a shit whether they are in an outside unit or working the watch as long as they back us up when we call. We are all policemen for fuck sake!!!
"God, I call bullshit on this post I work in 011 and I have seen them bring in some good shit. Some of those guys are good guys they say hello and shoot the shit with you. I can honestly say I have never gotten the elitist attitude. Hey I don't give a shit whether they are in an outside unit or working the watch as long as they back us up when we call. We are all policemen for fuck sake!!!"
I call bullshit on your response. Look up the arrests yourself Mr Sunshine. And I didn't say a word about anyone's attitude. So when you're done holding hands with everyone and singing koombayah...maybe you'll learn to read.
ROTFLMAO. As soon as I saw the comment from 1st watch 25th district tactical warrior I thought the same thing JH. Prime example of WTA b.s. and self entitlement taught to her by K.B. JH stay off the blog and learn the job. It is a miracle you're at MSF. Way to use the WTA usless propaganda for you're benefit. Now be a good girl and STFU.
Yeah go ahead and keep doing warrants for Leo. When you need him most is when he gets ghost!!!
Ask a few of his guys that needed him and he was no where to be heard!!!!!
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Yeah go ahead and keep doing warrants for Leo. When you need him most is when he gets ghost!!!
Ask a few of his guys that needed him and he was no where to be heard!!!!!
3/27/2011 06:52:00 PM
Leo's gone out of his way to back his officers in GEU. If he didn't back you, maybe you're one of those dipshits who can't seem to avoid stepping on your schlong.
I call bullshit on your response. Look up the arrests yourself Mr Sunshine. And I didn't say a word about anyone's attitude. So when you're done holding hands with everyone and singing koombayah...maybe you'll learn to read.
Mr Sunshine responds with: what the fuck is wrong with getting along. Since the rumors started I have checked the numbers and MSF does well so good for them we should not feel threthend. In my post I never alleged your post mentioned anything about attitudes, I was commenting on a common thyme found in several posts and I stand by my
post. If singing Koombayah and getting along with
my fellow P.Os is wrong so be it. And for those who don't like it i say live with it and if you can't "go fuck your self". Im a blue shirt and I stand behind my fellow blue shirts regardless of unit. This negativity between P.Os has to stop, in sixteen years I have never experienced things this bad. What the fuck.
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