Two-Thirds = Failure?
Gun Rights groups garnered unprecedented support for Concealed Carry, but couldn't quite get it over the finish line:
- Giving gun-control advocates a major win, the House Thursday rejected a bid by Downstate gun-rights advocates to permit Illinoisans to carry concealed weapons.
The measure pushed by Rep. Brandon Phelps (D-Harrisburg) failed by a 65-32 vote, with one voting present. Seventy-one votes were necessary for passage.
A "major victory"? This is one of those cases where the tyranny of the few thwart the will of the majority. 66% of the legislature voted in favor of Illinoisans being able to protect themselves, families, neighbors and loved ones when the police are unable to be there 24 hours a day.
The rhetoric from the left is typically slanted and in most cases, outright distortions and lies:
The rhetoric from the left is typically slanted and in most cases, outright distortions and lies:
- Critics argued that such a program would pump even more guns into crime-infested neighborhoods, pose a serious safety risk to police officers and allow as many as 100,000 people carrying concealed weapons to attend crowded city events such as the annual Taste of Chicago fireworks celebration along Chicago’s lakefront.
Seriously? What a joke. At least it would be 100,000 law abiding citizens who might have an effect on the few hundred animals that have been showing up and wreaking havoc on the lakefront the past few 3rd of July nights - but not last year, because Daley canceled the big show knowing that it was going to be a bloodbath if it went forward.
- “I too like the John Wayne movies. I like those movies about the Wild West, where everybody is carrying a weapon and everybody is shooting at each other. We don’t live in those days anymore,” said Rep. Monique Davis (D-Chicago), who voted against the bill.
None of which has happened in the other 48 states that have Concealed Carry laws in effect. And the John Wayne movies were just that - movies. Works of fiction. The "wild west" never existed with a shootout every day and twice on Sundays. The fact is that places like Dodge City and the OK Corral were hundreds of times safer than any west or south side neighborhood you can name right now.
That being said, perhaps it's time to do a little recruiting. Here's a link to the Illinois State Rifle Association website. They are in the middle of their Spring Membership drive and are looking to add as many voices as possible to the drive for gun rights for all citizens, not just Daley's and Quinn's bodyguards.
That being said, perhaps it's time to do a little recruiting. Here's a link to the Illinois State Rifle Association website. They are in the middle of their Spring Membership drive and are looking to add as many voices as possible to the drive for gun rights for all citizens, not just Daley's and Quinn's bodyguards.
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posted by SCC at 12:04 AM
58 Comments:
Funny you woud cite the Gunfight outside the O.K. Corral. The reason it is so noteworthy is because such occurrences......AMOST NEVER FREAKING HAPPENED! and almost everyone "Went Healed" or armed as it were!
O.T. They say that you should never celebrate another persons death. If I hear that The Shankster has passed on to that big corruption pit in the sky, I will be doing an Irish Jig sooo fast it would make Michael Flatley look like he is dancing wearing concrete shoes.
Gov. Pat Quinn confuses me, he's quoted as saying "I don't think we're in the business of trying to increase danger to the people of Illinois. We want to work with our law enforcement and prevent bad things from happening,"
So letting violent criminals out for early release to save Illinois money doesn't put the people of Illinois in more danger?
Stopping the death penalty because Quinn feels 'its the right thing' to do only insures that after the criminal that kills you so you can't identify you after the crime, will not have to worry about the needle, and will be taken care of better inside prison than outside.
Gov. Quinn has withdrawn the state from a federal program that runs immigration checks on fingerprints of everyone arrested by the state and local police.
Although officials had said the program would deport immigrants who were convicted criminals, Mr. Quinn wrote, fewer than 20 percent of immigrants deported under the program had serious convictions.
That will be welcome news to the MS-13 drug mules coming through our porous borders that after posting bond, you're welcome to stick around long enough to open another franchise in an under-served suburb.
Best I can tell with HB-148 being voted down and Quinn saying he would veto concealed carry in Illinois, shows to me, he's got the criminals best interests in mind, not mine. These measures alone show Quinn IS in the business of trying to increase danger to the people of Illinois.
O.T. Obummer is saying he wants to tax drivers based on the amount of mileage they drive every year. Why don't these DemocRATS just get the fuck out of our lives. They keep coming up with intrusive laws like the amount of water in toilets, light bulbs that will spew contamination and require extreme measures to clean up when they break. What's next? a scale in toilet bowls that weighs excrement when someone is shooting a deuce? They will do anything to cater to special interest groups to entice voters to vote for them. Fuck DemocRATS.
This just goes hand and hand with Illinois being rated the worst state in the nation to live in. There is absolutley no reason to live in this horrible state if you don't have to. Mr. Patatoe head his crew of chicago politicians will destroy Illinlois.
The bill did NOT fail, as the media is reporting....per ISRA Executive Director Richard Pearson
"The bill was put on postponed consideration. That means it can be called anytime between now and the second Wednesday in 2013."
Apparently placing the bill into that status before the vote goes on the official record is like the vote never happened.....
There's some political wrangling going on.
The "100,000 armed people" comment came from Marlow Colvin Representative from the 33rd District (South Chicago, East Side, Hegewisch).....who said that he'd be concerned at the Taste fireworks because a potential of 10% of the crowd would be carrying
Also, there were 20 members of the house who did not register a vote before the bill was placed on "postponed consideration"
Again, this bill did NOT fail....it CAN be brought up again until the second Wednesday in 2013.....
Don't worry! at least Mikey Shields won't have to feel uncomfortable for a while about taking a moral stand supported by a majority of officers.
He gets to remain opposed (aka "neutral") while not actually having the guts to admit it
Take a good look at me, officers, for I am a hardened felon. I am a middle-aged white male who gets up every day, goes to work, pays taxes, gets zero assistance from the goverment, wears a seatbelt, has medical insurance, drives the speed limit, stops at red lights and stop signs, pays for everything I own and, oh yeah, did I forget to say that I am a hardened felon?
I am because Illinois has made me one ever since I looked down the barrel of a gun twenty-some years ago while I gave up my watch and $37 to someone who was apparently just about to turn his life around - that is, after he shot me. For my trouble, I got pain, a lot of pain, time off work and a really cool scar. The offender got three years off the street. Three years.
I am a hardened felon, officers, so when you see this non-descript, middle-aged, white, Irish-American guy walking his dog, driving to the drugstore, playing golf or going to work, be advised that somewhere on my person there is at least a .380 and sometimes a .45, depending on the weather.
Most coppers are on the fence. Period. Arm every one or not. Ok well and all Knowing Blog do a Poll.
Did anyone think of inviting them to the real west? Where there are shoot outs everyday? Where i saw a planned ambush on chicago ave. The was successful and while processing the scene another shootout happened around the corner? LIFM
I've been told that this law will pass very soon.
Illinois politicians are in favor of criminals. I would not be surprised to see them hand out small pinch bars to burglars, and maybe viagra to rapists....They dont give a rats ass about a citizens right to be protected against such mayhem. Shame on the namby pambys that voted against the bill. Note to them : Some folks are going to carry regardless of the bill not passing.
Im talking about decent people that just want protection.
Move those goal posts
Heard today that FOP is supporting a bill that was in Springfield on the house floor for the use of Medical Marijuana. If that's the case why? FOP says they won't use resources to make a comment on any Conceal Carry Legislation yet they come out and support Medical Marijuana. The majority of the FOP membership, seems to be in favor of Conceal Carry and FOP say's they don't want to use resources to support the bill yet they support Medical Marijuana? How can this be FOP? You use resources to Support Medical Marijuana but not Conceal Carry. FOP needs to be accountable to the Membership of what they are doing in Springfield.
Any one who lives in this state that does not have to is soft.
P.O.Eddie Acevedo who is Daley's water boy is a prime mover in the State Legislature against guns. He has very close ties to the democratic party, had close ties to Blago also. This is the guy to was arrested in the O'Hare lot when the police there would not give him his towed car back for free and he went bonkers. I don't know where he is working now.
The flash mob looting has spread to Vegas local Vegas news has a story of a large group of apparent Scandinavian youths looting a store in Vegas. I just wonder if the local Chicago stations watch reports like this and get envious of the media freedom in other cities.
The ISRA should stop wasting time and money in legislature and more time in the courts.
Another reason why Illinois sucks.
This and the crooked politicians.
Assholes Daley and Quinn are the ones responsible for this not passing.
http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/news/local/chibrknews-person-shot-dead-in-loop-20110506,0,5810847.story
oooooops......
CPD does not need to hire 1,000 police officers , assign et's and crime lab to district or detective division , assign all clerical gun toting officers back to patrol .
Everyone hired to do police work and many are now doing office work.
Hire civilians in erps , crime lab , let cta hire own police dept.
check activity of mass transit , they have alot of free time doing nothing , crime lab sits in office waiting for someone to get shot , make the investigate crimes during down time , assign crime lab to det div , 1 less commander , less sgts necessary , close a district like 13 and 21 , no lock ups and very low crime rate , this will free up over 60 supervisors , desk officers and less building maintenance , good luck Boss , let's hope you and Rahm did click and he allows you to clean up waste in the CPD
It's interesting to read how concealed-carry opponents and the mainstream media have portrayed the police, particularly the CPD, in regards to this legislation...
"Opponents say, police officers who encounter armed men would have to determine whether their guns were legal; and the officers could be killed while waiting for the answer." -WGN website, May 6
"Democratic Rep. Edward Acevedo, a veteran Chicago police officer, said the legislation would have made police work more dangerous. Officers currently know that a thug on the street with a gun is breaking the law, he said, but the bill would require police to first figure out who has a permit and who doesn't. 'That delay will make a big difference and that difference could be fatal to that officer,' Acevedo said." -Tribune website article, May 5
"Although Chicago police brass opposed the proposal, downstate police largely supported it." -Bloomington Pantagraph website article, May 5
The libertard Dems just painted a huge target on Chicago. Recent intel gathered from the Bin Ladin takedown show that Al Queda was planning on targeting Chicago! I guarantee the fact that we have no CCW laws played into that decision. It's time for otherwise "law abiding" citizens to start carrying anyway, screw the libs. As a cop, I'm not charging any decent person carrying so long as they are otherwise acting lawfully. The 2nd ammendment is pretty clear to me...
Just a matter of time...next few elections GOP is going to run thru this state like Gen Patton went thru France in WWII.
An extra-great reason to join up and donate to the ISRA is that they will likely be on point (again) in the lawsuits being fast-tracked for citizen carry. They're winners and your support will help get the suit(s) started, which may well help the legislators clear their minds about how we're going to get carry rights restored.
I hate to break it to you all fine folks in blue in CPD, but only one of the reps in Chicago voted for the bill, McAuliffe.
Lets shove back. Call/write/email your alderman and DEMAND no security for shortshanks. Arrogant prick that he is.
Did anyone listen to the debate? Time and time again Chicago reps took Chicago police's name in vain, claiming that the rank and file oppose carry. What can be done to make it known that this is not the case? It would be a GREAT help to the cause!
I agree that shootings would increase but it would be shootings of the bad guys. But let me tell you; victimization of good citizens would soon drop as the criminal element seek shelter 6 feet under.
After all; we can't have our own cadre of city paid body guards.
I do not punch as well as vanecko. I need a handgun.
to carry or not to carry.
I have said here in the past that if do not have a gun in the car you are a fool.
when was the last time you were stopped by an Officer and given a ticket.
And if stopped when was the last time the Officer asked to search your vehicle.
You always have the right to say NO, NO, No. You always have the right to say go ahead search what is he going to do either way is wrong on his part, and it might cost you some money but your family is safe.
SGT. Ralph (retired)Aurora
Wildings spreading...
Look at that video of Mr. Submarine beating/strong armed robbery in Beverly neighborhood video that WGN-TV played.
Employees come out and save customers who were getting robbed and beaten in their drive-thru. The male victim who has a black-eye says the offenders demanded his money and his sandwich.
Everyone in the video looks white, do you think WGN would play that if the offenders were not!?!?
Police grab the three offenders, but WGN says only misdemeanor charges were filed. Why no Deputy over-ride on this?
Politicians like Daley, and there are many of them in Illinois, have armed body guards driving them around all day doing their business and errands. If I had that kind of protection for my family I would also be in favor of some type of gun control. But like most folks we don't have that luxury. Daley will have his body guards and gofers for him and his wife until they take their last breath. And we are paying for this with our taxes. Not enough cops on the street...so what. A good citizen and you can't Carry and Conceal a weapon for your protection...so what!
I have a bright idea. Take away all of the useless body guards from all of the politicians in the entire state. The official payed body guards and the off duty bell ringers politicians use and take care of. This bill would pass the next day.
•“I too like the John Wayne movies. I like those movies about the Wild West, where everybody is carrying a weapon and everybody is shooting at each other. We don’t live in those days anymore,” said Rep. Monique Davis (D-Chicago), who voted against the bill.
Someone needs to tell Monique to look on the Sout and West side of this City.
What does anyone expect, we DO live in a €ommunist €ity, county, and State, soon a completely €ommunist €ountry, the USSA [United Socialist States of America]. Wake Up People, your freedoms are fading away.
I want to know who the 33 mooks that voted against or just "present" were.
Lets....ensure that they are held to the STRICT Interpretation of the LAW when ever they are in the City of Chicago.
No breaks from anything since they seem to think there is more risk from the Voters than Criminals.
George Soros doesn't like guns, what a bunch of weak minded people to be controlled by one Idiot.
In the end all communists go to hell, so there is something to be thankful for.
Take a good look at me, officers, for I am a hardened felon. I am a middle-aged white male who gets up every day, goes to work, pays taxes, gets zero assistance from the goverment, wears a seatbelt, has medical insurance, drives the speed limit, stops at red lights and stop signs, pays for everything I own and, oh yeah, did I forget to say that I am a hardened felon?
I am because Illinois has made me one ever since I looked down the barrel of a gun twenty-some years ago while I gave up my watch and $37 to someone who was apparently just about to turn his life around - that is, after he shot me. For my trouble, I got pain, a lot of pain, time off work and a really cool scar. The offender got three years off the street. Three years.
" I am a hardened felon, officers, so when you see this non-descript, middle-aged, white, Irish-American guy walking his dog, driving to the drugstore, playing golf or going to work, be advised that somewhere on my person there is at least a .380 and sometimes a .45, depending on the weather.
5/06/2011 03:42:00 AM"
take a look a this.....Quinn....are you watching?....can you see?.....are you a member of the human race?
No concealed carry?
No bodyguards for Quinn, Daley, Burke and everyone else that thinks society is "safe enough" for the "average citizen" without more guns.
Look how much safer it would be if we eliminated their 24/7 guard units.
Daley stated on the radio that he needed that guard unit because protection of his family comes first. What about my family?
Although officials had said the program would deport immigrants who were convicted criminals, Mr. Quinn wrote, fewer than 20 percent of immigrants deported under the program had serious convictions.
5/06/2011 12:48:00 AM
Misdemeanor, felony, I don't really give a shit. Deport the motherfuckers, they are NOT supposed to be here AND they have a record. GO, BYE.
I don't have any criminal anything. Who the hell is Quinn catering to? And at whose expense?
Dummies, all of them.
---not a cop
I will never visit Illinois / Chicago for this reason, Kids Wife and my 9mm....20 years legally lic... dam shame !
But look at it like this the folks in springfield are done for the year-parttime gig 84-thousand a year - ?do they have CCW via the legislation position ???
>>> Anonymous said...
O.T. Obummer is saying he wants to tax drivers based on the amount of mileage they drive every year. <<<
Geeeze... They already do, we pay all those taxes on gas and excise taxes on tires.
Do you want me to work closer to home? No wonder he is out of touch.
Hey Reporters... Is it still true that congressman and seantors in Washington D.C. "buy" their gas at special super cut-rate pumps near the Capitol. Just like they get free parking at the airports.
Just askin'.
CPD does not need to hire 1,000 police officers , assign et's and crime lab to district or detective division , assign all clerical gun toting officers back to patrol .
Everyone hired to do police work and many are now doing office work.
Hire civilians in erps , crime lab , let cta hire own police dept.
HEy fu2kface get off ur high horse. What do u think u r doing when it takes u 2 hrs to process an arrest. Basic ur doing office work... typing, looking up info on the computer and finishing reports.Even in busy district u spend most of the time driving from job to job and doing reports.THATS REAL TOUGH ON THE BODY!!!ANd before u start typing on how a great worker u are and everyone in units r dogs, remember most of the guys in units worked most of their careers in ditricts before they were able to get to a unit.U always hear how u have to get out of patrol....so don t get mad when one is able to do just that thing.
Reps like osterman, arroyo, acevedo, damico are a cancer on democracy, God do I wish the feds would investigate them and their kids and families and wives and their myriad supplemental public dole connections. This is the reason democracy is dead in Illinois. Jagoffs like these owe daley too much to dare vote in with integrity for the citizens interest. NO STATE REP/SENATOR or their family should have ANY other ties to taxpayer money!!!! FITZGERALD where are you????? (oh and Ms. Davis, hope you face a formidable opponent next election).
OH and to Mike Shields, whether or not you wanted FOP to stay neutral osterturd made the decision for you when he said on the floor that CPD was against CCW. Will FOP continue to donate to his campaigns??
The best thing to happen to Michigan was the decline of the Detroit metro area.
I never thought we would get shall issue concealed carry but we did.
So how do you kill Crook country economically?
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https://www.facebook.com/notes/illinois-state-rifle-association/how-did-your-representative-vote-yesterday/216337465062130
Ok well and all Knowing Blog do a Poll.
5/06/2011 04:06:00 AM
i vote yes to everyone.
either way i win.
Chalkie
Any one who lives in this state that does not have to is soft.
5/06/2011 08:07:00 AM
say that to my face.
Chalkie
let's hope you and Rahm did click and he allows you to clean up waste in the CPD
5/06/2011 09:29:00 AM
having trouble getting that furlough?
Being a liberal Democrat doesn't mean you automatically are against CC. Some might call me a liberal but I am in favor of CC. I was also a member of the NRA at the age of 8. Don't categorize everybody liberal or conservative based on 1 issue or another.
@ 5/06/2011 03:22:00 PM
Are you stupid or ignorant?
If this was a Socialist state you would have been shot the moment you even thought what you typed.
@ 5/06/2011 03:22:00 PM
Are you stupid or ignorant?
If this was a Socialist state you would have been shot the moment you even thought what you typed.
5/07/2011 04:49:00 PM
not necessarily.
around here, they like you to suffer, while they slowly and methodically suck every aspect of life from your existence.
That moron Peterson has been bragging to anyone that would listen that he was able to stop the bill.
I was licensed at birth to own and carry a weapon,I am a US citizen.
@ 5/07/2011 11:44:00 PM
There is a Fix for that...
Open your mouth and take advantage of the Federal Protection offered under the Whistleblowers Act of 1863 and 1912 and The Whistleblower Protection Act which protects government employees from management retaliation for reporting Corruption.
In other words...grow a spine and Give Weiss someone that deserves federal charges.
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