CompStat Arrives
Englewood District Cmdr. Anthony Carothers was feeling the heat Thursday.
He stood at a podium in front of more than 100 supervisors and his new boss, Chicago Police Supt. Garry McCarthy.
In his Bronx brogue, McCarthy asked about a spike in shootings in Englewood over the last month compared with the same period in 2010.
Carothers attributed the violence to battles among 45 factions of the Gangster Disciples in the South Side district. But when McCarthy pressed for details, there wasn’t clear evidence of a gang motive in most of the shootings.
This sounds more like a Catholic school we heard about once:
“This is not about ‘gotcha,’ ” McCarthy said. “The sin here is not bad numbers. The sin is not knowing what’s going on and how to address it.”
Still, McCarthy warned that if he learns of a commander fudging crime statistics, “It’s a career ender.” He also told the group: “If I see anybody sleeping, I’m throwing them out of here.”
- At one point, McCarthy asked a detective how long the state crime lab takes to process bullet casings for the Chicago Police. When he was told it typically takes four to six weeks, he asked his staff to look into having the Chicago Police do the work in-house. In Newark, McCarthy noted, it usually took about a day to get ballistics results.
McCarthy returned to his battle analogy when the discussion turned to the shooting of two girls — ages 2 and 7 — on Wednesday night on a Northwest Side playlot. The 2-year-old was grazed in the head, and the 7-year-old has a serious back wound. Two men were being held for questioning in the shooting, which apparently was targeting gang members nearby. McCarthy said the department must send a message to the Maniac Latin Disciples, who are thought to be responsible.
“We’re going to obliterate that gang,” he said. “Every one of their locations has to get blown up until they cease to exist.”
We eagerly await the moment in time when a commander walks into an accountability meeting and leaves as a field lieutenant, for then and only then will we believe that Rahm has given over control of the Department to the Superintendent. But until then, clout is going to be the rule of the day.
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posted by SCC at 9:31 AM
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Good results may trump clout for at least a while. Too many voting people are sick and tired of all of this violence in all the neighborhoods. Are the Carotherses among the race baiters that backed Carol Mosely-Braun?
Hopefully Brothers is 1st Commander to get ComSacked! We'd all be happy in the Wood! What a complete uniformed jerk. Go Gmack!
OT: If the robberies didn't scare you away from downtown, how about a drive-by?
http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/news/local/chibrknews-gunfire-hits-vehicle-on-lake-shore-drive-1-wounded-20110610,0,3556246.story
smoke and mirrors...
always is and always will be
McCarthy 1st question to Carothers should be how in the world does the brother of a convicted felon Alderman become a Police Officer let alone a Police Commander. Then order him to take a blood urine& polygraph.
Sure heads will roll at some point, but it's already too late. And why is Ernie Brown still on top of Patrol picking on the Commanders who are not in his inner circle. It took a new Mayor and a new Sup to get him to show up to work more than twice a week. I hope McCarthy reads this and takes action. Please put in a guy we can all respect and don't mind working for. Thank You.
“We’re going to obliterate that gang,” he said. “Every one of their locations has to get blown up until they cease to exist.”
Last week it was --
"What's gang activity?"
Now he's gettin' out the boxes of dynamite...
Yeah, right.
I hope this Super succeeds. The problem he faces though is not the gangs but the culture within the CPD. Maybe if Rahm unleashes him carte blance things will change for the better. I hope he cleans house and takes numbers. And I like the "career ender" threat. I hope he ends a lot of careers of the many incompetent CPD bosses (boobs) that were created under 21 years of Daley. To watch these morons hide in their offices and collect those salaries and benefits makes me sick. They can't even read or speak into a microphone yet they're adorned in gold. Why? Because they kept getting Daley elected. As a city taxpayer and citizen this makes me sick and I wonder what McCarthy is really thinking when he meets many of them for the first time: OMG. Is this for real?
Yeah, it's for real. Welcome to Chicago.
Everything EXACTLY what the rank-and-file doesn't want, anything officers criticize as useless and crazy, immediately comes to pass with this new administration.
Laugh at PAU, you get some CompStat thing.
Rahm likes to f__k with people.
Rahm has instructed Supt. McGruff to start cutting off the fingers of bosses who fall asleep at the CompStat meetings. He says it will keep them alert and awake after they see a few of their fellow zombie clout heavy comrades getting snipped. It worked for Rahm.
Dear scc: if I remember correctly, the arrival of the event number was due to chgo style compstat. Remember all the friday meets at headquarters when the commanders were asked why? "well in response we had a seat belt mission, 15 curfew missions, a reverze sting bee mission, and to prove it all we pulled 14,078 event numbers in 8 days. It seemed as though this all went by the wayside, but now it will all be back, and the useless 1bagger/1rock arrests will be up cause if agg batts and murder and robbery goes up, then of course narcotic arrests go up. Can i pretty please get another event number, thanks. Welcome back district secretary/crime analysts.
Heard from Newark PO's while in DC,this boss will PISS OFF all bosses, and has the patrolmans back. Lets wait and see. Remember though, shit rolls downhill.
i look forward to G-Mac's approach. About time exempts were held accountable. Cant wait to see if heads truly start rolling.
OT
Major change in the works.
The city is working on eliminating summer furloughs. A recent review showed that the department is better staffed in the winter when crime is at it's lowest. Officers on furlough, medical, comp time, and leave of absence all increase dramatically in the summer. The city has a two fold plan and they are going to use "financial emergency" to push it through before a new contract takes effect.
First, no cash OT between September and April. All OT (court included) will be given as comp time. If an officer has over 200 hours on the books then they have to take time accumulated before the end of the next period or lose it.
Second, no summer furloughs in 2012. This lets the department run below 10 thousand and still match old staffing levels in the summer. This will push all furloughs in the fall, winter, and early spring months when they won't care if they are understaffed because crime is lower. Also, anyone on medical during the summer should expect that someone from the IG is following them.
This is the reason they posted your salary on-line. They are going to tell the public they cannot hire more police, but the ones they have a very well paid and these contract "modifications" are a small consolidation for their salary.
I'm already sick of hearing this guy's tired analogies.
“We’re going to obliterate that gang,” he said. “Every one of their locations has to get blown up until they cease to exist.”
Don't let your mouth write a check that your ass can't cash.
mccarthy should have asked carouthers and all commanders ,how many officers assigned to your district are assigned to clerical duties or unnecessary assignments ,
crossing guard supervisor , court officer , time keeper etc
then follow up by reviewing officers activity and a&a sheets
On the way to this meeting, Commander Carothers got a flat tire in his Crown-Vic in 002. He called over a beat car from 007 to change the tire and drive the car to 35th/Michigan so he could make a quick get-away after he was run out of the building. And of course no thank yous to the beat car for doing his grunt work. Very classy, boss.
I wonder how many meetings it will take for him to figure out that he talking to a bunch of empty suits?
"McCarthy warned that if he learns of a commander fudging crime statistics, 'It’s a career ender.'"
Nice to have the paperwork all jogged into neat piles and stacked from right to left -- but has this guy ever been out to a scene?
Ever come out and chase some calls? Ever been to the M.E.s on a hot night? Has he ever looked at a Red Line train? Has he even seen the Water Tower, or Madison and Central, or any of our other fine landmarks?
Does he even know where he is -- or does it simply not matter with these people?
This is Chicago!!!!!!!
We ain't ready for reform.
BRAHAAHAAHAAHAAHAAHAA,Cough, Cough,BRAAHAAHAAHAAHAAHAA
"He stood at a podium in front of more than 100 supervisors and his new boss..."
Uh...it's June, the city's gone wilding, and "100 supervisors" have time to stand around looking at some line on a chart?
"Commander Carothers, brother of convicted aldermanic felon Ike Carothers (who got Tony his spot by wearing a wire and telling the mayor not to talk too loud) simply asked his auntie, Judge Anita Rivkin-Carothers, who was a criminal defense attorney for the Gangster Disciples back before she was given her spot. And there she remains, flouting established law and procedure on a daley daily basis."
The Daley legacy -- so deeply entrenched it operates automatically now.
Incest is cleaner and more straightforward.
It's judges like this, and not any lack of "effective laws," that make the criminal justice system the revolving door it is.
I take it that she has not been able to quietly reconcile the "47 warring factions of GDs..."
Say what you will about A.C. but while working tact in 002 for him he rewarded you if you brought in heads. We were #1 city wide while he was there and we got taken care of. Ask 007 tact guys. I'm sure they heard about it.
..wake up new sup. Carothers is nothing more than a prize, from the previous criminal buffoon at city hall, for his asshole brother keeping his mouth shut. Get rid of him and you will gain respect among the ranks.
It’s amazing that the Police Superintendent is the highest paid city employee, therefore implying that the security and safety of the citizens of Chicago is a top priority. At least that is from City Hall to the media and public, because when it comes down to the men and woman who do the actual job, they get threatened with days with no pay, the pension issue, and the lack of staffing the department up to the budget.
The same goes for the second highest paid city employee, the Superintendent of the Chicago Public School, therefore education the children of Chicago is the second top priority, but they threaten to layoff teachers, and they too have the pension issue. However, the issue of budget always comes up now but only for the working class of individuals who actually do the job everyday. Take away from the middle guy and give it to the top guy. It is the Chicago way.
So don’t forget the city is not broke, especially at the top, because they are sure to get their pay, the city is only broke at the middle class
HA! Clout rules, baby! Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, son. But if you've got the almighty phone call you will go far in this department! Newsflash. No one with clout will be held responsible for shit.
Supt. Charlie McCarthy, and Edgar Emanuel at the strings, talking the problem to death. Stop talking and start kicking some of these punks in the ass. Heaven help the CPD blue shirts.
“We’re going to obliterate that gang,” he said. “Every one of their locations has to get blown up until they cease to exist.”
Why do these animals have human rights? Do whatever you have to send a message of zero tolerance. Chicago would be a much better city without this "gang culture".
Frankly I would wouldn't shed a tear if a "Dexter" type serial killer surfaced and went around randomly killing known gang members one by one.
I read today that in Mexico City 21bodies were found with notes next to each body identifying them as criminals and warning of future killings of more criminals to come.
Our Judicial system isn't perfect but I believe in law and order, due process, etc. but it's very frustrating at times to see the system work in the criminals favor.
Superb editorial, SCC.
#1 ? Commander merit , exactly how many police officers assigned to your district are not assigned to field duties , beat cars ?
? 2 . Why ,and how many officers are authorized to work inside ?
He will need someone to do a follow up , maybe IG's office
he might be surprised of how many do not have the correct answers.
JFLED didn't have a clue , he was laughing stock of the cpd , gotta run
a little note...the MLD S and GD S are local urban terrorist boss. they reside in these communities and are known and protected to an extent.this nonsense will only stop when the community stops allowing this behavior.dont blame the police...blame the community for tolerating lawless behavior.
I have a problem with bt 1707 not wearing a bullet proof vest and many detectives responding without bullet proof vest , where are the captains or lieutenants to correct
this safety violation .
I forgot rule are only enforced against the blue shirts .
..."fudging statistics" ..what numbers is he talking about? Dist 18 runs from the river N. to Fullerton. Dist 1 from the river S. to Cermak. 6 miles of lakefront and no one in the arrest queue. They have no arrest statistics. Seems to me that the assholes can come there to be unmolested by the police,and they know it. With all the assholes walking around looking for a victim in 36 square miles of hunting ground wouldn't you think there would be dozens of loiterers, drinking on public way, mob action arrests in the queue at any time... Maybe they are being held in custody on the moon...
He is weak we have how many exempts? 100? Way to many come on GNOCLUE let the dumping begin! Like old tony ikes brother in 007 that moron clout hack all the way has no clue! Um sir the only reason he is there is that he protected the daley criminal enterprise zone! Look at the rest kirby? are you kidding us! That girl needs to go! What about adrienne stanley strogers cousing,or penny trahanas? Ernie brown look at pic in sun-times old oily ernie is texting and looks tired he will not put up with your bullshit,as it is he LIED in Arizona and got caught look up his name connected with Arizona. Ernie made front page of Arizona Republic paper with his lies but yet that fatass gets promoted!
Hey boss will your fake rev tour produce anymore bosses? They will TELL YOU what to do same as jfled! More smoke and mirrors! The Titanic people rearranged all the deck chairs when it was sinking and what happened it still sunk. Weed through all the clouted promotions and look internally for competent bosses then and only then will I be the REAL POLICE!
What about that useless Troubled Buildings Unit. The LT is useless. The Admin Sgt walks around 35th in her slippers. PO TR thinks she is the CO. The other PO's assigned we never see. Must be a clout babys heaven.
Can I get a fucking event # please!!
He then went on to say, Uh ya, ya bald headed mike and, you know, Lil man had got in-to-it at the MACdonalds over ol' girl and, you know they started woowoo'n....then they just got ta shootin'....you know ha it is!
Reading past posts and comments made concerning "inside" officers: be it on the street or off, there are "workers" on this job and there "dogs" on this job. Do not criticize what u know nothing about. I have known officers to quit desk jobs because it's too much "work." Some light duties bitch and moan about what they can't do for long periods of time, including sit, stand, walk and even make excuses why they can't even answer a telephone. While some full duty po's work there asses off, at times, without a lunch break. Some have to answer to higher ups concerning stats, lawsuits, evidence, money, supplies, guns, drugs, procedure, security, etc. FYI there are positions that should not be civilianized. Do you know who has access to your personal info? I do. And this civilian only took 30 days for being recently arrested. There are several civilians handling po's paper work, evidence and files who have arrest records. And I got my inside job the old fashion way, by handing in my resume. Not one phone call. I'm good at what I do but one who is a "dog" on the street (and u know who u are) will get more credit than I ever will. And still, whether on or off the street I will work my ass off because I was raised with work ethic, unlike some people on this job.
We eagerly await the moment in time when a commander walks into an accountability meeting and leaves as a field lieutenant, for then and only then will we believe that Rahm has given over control of the Department to the Superintendent. But until then, clout is going to be the rule of the day.
posted by SCC at 9:31 AM
SCC nailed it...they'll always be the clout babies..always. Always the same names...just a shuffling of the cards. Those of us with time on have seen it all before. Blah,Blah,Blah...All smoke and mirrors.
Apparently G-Mac hasn't resolved the issues now causing the fed investigation of officers under his command back east. Somebody tell him the Cozzi story
OT:
Won't it be cool when we get that high speed train to Detroit so that we can share "flash mobs"? It'll be a creative learning experience for all criminals involved.
"In his Bronx brogue, McCarthy asked about a spike in shootings in Englewood "
Frank Main is so pathetic. I can't get over it.
More wilding just now at Jackson and state redline.
New nickname for the Superintendant: MCDreaming!!
its about time....wait until the new Supt. sees just how stupid and clueless some of these bosses are...some of them act like pimps...i hope this guy is for real..the status quo....is just too far outdated and no longer works...
SCC. People of America reading you from coast to coast. Your truth is better than any Chicago newspaper. Your subscription will go up as theirs goes down.
just hearing that a boss got his ass chewed is refreshing
This reminds me of a scene from Casino.
"Is this guy just another dumb fuckin cowboy, or what?"
"We need this guy. He's juiced in!"
SCC, want to be rich and remembered for doing good? Get a few friends together and start your own newspaper. The good people of Chicago are looking for the truth. They will buy in droves. You, SCC can change Chicago history forever.
SCC said:
We eagerly await the moment in time when a commander walks into an accountability meeting and leaves as a field lieutenant, for then and only then will we believe that Rahm has given over control of the Department to the Superintendent. But until then, clout is going to be the rule of the day.
10 June 2011 at 0931 hours.
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Eagerly is right! And when it does happen, how about being over the top deliriously hooting and hollering! Seeing an incompetent exempt get the deserved kick in the ass would be almost as good as seeing that useless piece of crap, J-FLED, being chaffeured out of the 35th Street rear lot for the last time!
But G-MACK shouldn't stop with an incompetent exempt being knocked down to a Captain or a Lieutenant.
When they step on it, and they will, as we know they do all the time, G-MACK should knock the merit Captain back to Lieutenant, knock the merit Lieutenant back to Sergeant, knock the merit Sergeant back to Detective and knock the merit Detective back to P/O.
Traditionally, knocking them back has only been used for the worst of the worst, but it has to change because bad and/or mediocre shouldn't cut it either. Step by step, an incompetent employee could conceivably be shown the door!
Imagine how shaky your bosses are going to be now after McGruff puts them on the grill at his CompStat inquisitions. Daley destroyed the entire leadership of the CPD and Rahm will finish the job. Also notice McGruff is making the rounds of all the Black Churches. Wonder if he brought up the incidents involving all the young Black criminals beating and robbing folks on the north side. Just kidding. He was too busy licking their arces to talk about real things.
SCC ..just a suggestion. Legitimize yourself. Remove silly and sarcastic from your caption . Replace with truth. You are read more than any Chicago newspaper.
I like it.
I like it too much.
I dont care, fuck this department and fuck its numbers game. Fuck the "quality arrests" and fuck the bullshit arrests. Im tired of it all. Fuck your missions, fuck your stats, fuck your numbers, fuck your contact cards, fuck your dispersals, fuck the little bullshit boxes that we have to stay in all night... anything I left out?
don't think Carothers will be embarrased like this again. The phone call will be made and he will just go about his business. Of running his security company while he builds up that gold braided pension. Merit all the way. The new sup does not know the real chicago way yet. The merit Commanders do not have to know or do anything. Just be there....
Hell will freeze over before some of the merit hack commanders like Carothers, Moy, Florez, and the rest get dumped. It will never happen, bank on it. That is the reason this Department and City is in the sad state of affairs it is.
Well see now these little girls were shot in a drive by right?
Guess what?
For a drive by to be successful you need a car and the last super said in a highly published gang pow-wow that he was going to tow all the gang bangers cars if they did not knock it off.
So guess what?
It didn't happen apparently.
Is it because the politically connected city towing contractor is unwilling or unable to do it -- or did the leadership not follow thru to order it to be done?
"not bona fide"
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you are not sarcastic nor silly. You are where we go to get whats really going on in Chicago
It feels like I'm listening to the Chicago Ministry of Information if you know what I'm saying.
May I suggest "G-Spot" as the official nickname for Supernintnedo Garry?
Nickname justified by seeing how "lathered up" he gets when "rubbed into action" by 9.5's nub. Garry nervously addressing the media whores while Rahm stands in the backdrop rolling his eyes and contorting his face; my old lady made less faces giving birth to our children.
Others may conjure up visions of Garry being just another p***y figurehead, seeing that he's met with the Rev'runs on more than one occasion already. If anything says "business as usual", meeting with this group of assholes figuratively shouts it.
No doubt a few have Googled "Brick City" to see what you're all about, Garry. So I suggest you take a few minutes from your hectic routine and Google "Shakedown! Exposing the Real Jesse Jackson" for a crash course in what you're REALLY dealing with when you meet with our local extortionists donning clerical vestments.
Moving on...CompStat via the "Broken Windows" model of policing works where proactive policing is welcomed, regularly encouraged and rewarded.
If McCarthy had actually done his homework prior to applying for this gig, he would've discovered that proactivity within the CPD has pretty much gone the way of the dinosaur for a variety of reasons. By golly, there were about 100 of those "reasons" within throwing distance at that meeting, Garry. And plenty of them had gold stars similar to yours affixed to their shirts.
Not enough time or room to dive into other factors curtailing proactivity, but here's a brief synopsis, Garry: politicians that protect and work in concert with some of the worst criminals in town. Nepotism and cronyism at ALL levels of city government/employment. A ball-less criminal justice system with a revolving door stamped "1410 Probation", "time considered served" a mainstay in the Judges' arsenals and a CCSAO that's so shaky they regularly send false signals to seismic scales around the country. Vigorous prosecution and extreme sentencing of officers to sate an ignorant public. Chicago's sanctuary status. An unappreciative public...unless they're neighborhood is being "Flash Mobbed". Twenty Two years of a Madman at the helm of the city just prior to your arrival. The nation's highest gasoline prices. Waiting years for measly raises (even when the economy was booming), only to have it stripped away mere months later via well choreographed fuckery (hope you don't mind, Box Chevy Phantom) at the hands of the Democratic machine at the state level. And on and on and...
Until we see that you're a man of your own volition, G-Spot it is.
I thought that TV show "Chicago Code" was too much fantasy. However, with the description of the Carothers family in this blog post...turns out...not so much.
Obliterate the MLD's? That sounds tough to the media but unless he's going to pull resources out of his a$$ to go all out then it's just tough talk.
Serious question: How is this different from DOC meetings?
Too bad burger queen isn't around to face a compstat grilling. Now that would be comical and embarrassing at the same time.
Shooting ON lake shore drive today, 150 n. Lake shore. Out of towner from oklahomas car got shot up, one person in vehicle hit... Chicago Welcomes You
Clout will forever rule this damn department and this damn city.
It is rare to find anyone at the top who care about the citizens. All they care about is the next promotion with the next fat pay bump and they will climb over anyone to get to the $$$$$.
As for the department, these same clout hacks will not defend the actions and the judgments of street cops. It cannot be this consistent "take the word of a thug" mentality.
Finally, the liberals and the media, who all live anywhere else but in Chicago's hot zones will keep crying, foul, any time one of these thugs are so much as even chastised for their behavior, let alone locked up for it.
The word of the day is: doomed. That is what this city is, doomed.
No one has the balls to stand up to these misguided fools we call politicians, exempts, reverends and journalists.
Nothing will change until the people demand that the police be the police.
For Carothers not to leave a lieutenant is understandable, being this was the first compstat meeting. However, since he was put on the hot seat; in what ever time frame would be appropriate, if AC has no answers or appears not to understand the answers he is given to tell mcdaddy then he should be done.
So my thinking is 30 days for change to be effected by a commander. If not then see ya.
The real tell is if mcdaddy trims down the exempt ranks.
No and I mean none of the HQ paper-units should have an exempt sworn commander. Maybe someone making captains pay, but the commander rank should be used for field units only. And get rid of the deputy chief rank all together. Have commanders report to the chief. Patrol has a north and south chief, that's plenty. To aid the chief have area liason lieutenants, or captains, that vets the district commanders requests, reports, etc.
,, ..some defense . Trigg eating a coke whore,what an asshole..
The former Commander of 13 is lucky she is not accountable for anything now with Comp Stat. She would look like a fool at these meetings asking here why her old district is one of the worst areas in the United States. Must be rough at Special Functions.
I like what he's doing so far. I know none of the NYPD has much love for him, but he is a welcome change. Now if he can just clean out all the extra house mouses and medical abusers and send them to the street, put Gang Teams back where they belong we would be making some progress here. Oh....and yeah....there are some exempts that could probably use walking papers too.
...a gun is a tool , just like any other tool,and it is the best available tool when you are becoming the victim of a crime.
Somebody needs to tell GMAC the the CPD isn't a bunch of pansies who need his tough talking to make us tougher. The CPD has (had) a reputation across the country of a department that "takes care of business" when the time comes. His tough talk may impress the coppers in joizy but he's talking to coppers that. Have dealt with TABD, DNC, Bulls riots, and on and on. "explode their corners" WTF does that even mean? Sounds good for the media but it's really just tough talk without any real meaning just like his promise to arrest ALL of the mobs robbing people downtown. Where does all this follow-up manpower come from? All the disbanded units?
Gmac is just another superintendent who is full of hot air.
Former 153
Yeah, Ok...sure.
R we getting hand grenades now???
Im about to order the wire box set from amazon. So I can be prepared when called to the podium.
OT: What the fuck is Rahm trying to convey when he folds his one arm across his chest and the other arm and finger vertical across his lips when someone is speaking in front of him. It's without a doubt some political posture bullshit, like when politicians point at there audience while speaking but keep there fingers closed like they are holding a microphone. He does this whenever he is present at a press conference.
I want to work for McCarthy. This guy can ride in my car. The word he used was "obliterate" a street-gang. It wasn't over-the-top. Words like that are long OVERDUE! This was a very carefully chosen word to let us know he's the police...and he's going to let us do our jobs.
Carothers is the biggest moron you will ever meet. The guy walks around a crime scene like a rooster without its head. He knows everyone thinks he's an idiot apnd therefore he avoids eye contact with anyone. Launch that pompous prick.
"The mayor suggested journalists be more judicious in using the term "flash mob."
"We have to be sensitive to what it conjures up," Emanuel said."
Yeah, you be "sensitive" when fifteen crazed attackers have you down and are kicking you everywhere they can get a shot in as they drag you towards the lake.
A woman with a baby was just thrown down a flight of stairs on the "L." Where does "sensitivity" come in there?
No one is safe in the Sanctuary City except for illegal aliens and criminals.
Vicious little motherf__er. The same burning animus against ordinary people as Daley has -- just like Bloomberg's famous "If you can't get to the grocery store because the streets are jammed with snow and ice and the garbage is piled six feet high on top of that, go take in a Broadway show."
Resign.
The way you keep sending your new police superintendent to hang with the revs while wilding tears the city apart proves that you're just here to inflict misery.
Please. Go re-join your family in DC and just stay there.
2 more shootings in 007 since noon. Another normal 70 degree afternoon in the wood
What was Leo's response to his questions??? Or did he designate a "speaker"? Mr McCarthy... The gang problem is WAAAY out of control... I admire your prudence to staff the districts because they really needed the manpower hands down but if you want to make a difference with the gang shootings/homicides..put a "COMPETENT" leader in charge of the Gang unit... Ie: George Devereux a guy who know whats going on not just making it "Look good". Schmitz has overstayed his welcome,might have a future selling used cars. I can say one thing though in all seriousness... I would consider keeping the unit because they do some good work and have generared a ton of info and informants.. The district tact teams do not have the time or luxury to do the work the gang unit does and this is NOT a shot at them whatsoever... They are overburdened with district shit and cant do everything. An additional note, expand the gang units ability to conduct more long term or in depth investigations..some really good coppers there who want to do the job but being held back from administration, merge them with gang intel and only keep the top 50% performers and send the rest packing.
Hopefully Carothers and others like him get exposed for what they are: Frauds!
GMac let's see if you really mean you're going to depoliticize the department. Carothers would be a perfect start. Bust him and the other fraudulent exempts down.
They just cut more bodies out of the District Commanders offices but now they want the Commanders to prepare more weekly reports. Who do you think is going to run the numbers? I know boo-hoo but how is a District Commander supposed to be liable for his district when EW AND DTEB are micro-managing? Hold Ernie Brown culpable..
Hold on a second about carothers in 002 as tact lt. I work in 002. The tact teams were a complete joke while he was there and still are. So if you arrested 20 drinkers a period u would get 2 days off even though u were on. U guys had so many 60 year old men in lockup the desk seargent kept referring to the gereitric ward he was running. Carothers had a sign posted that read, "quantity over quality." 002 tact is incapable of getting a gun off the street by own initiative except HM. Thanks 2 Carothers these guys only know how to do drinkers, reckless conduct and cttl.
I have a problem with bt 1707 not wearing a bullet proof vest and many detectives responding without bullet proof vest , where are the captains or lieutenants to correct
this safety violation .
I forgot rule are only enforced against the blue shirts .
believe it or not, but wearing a vest is not a G.O. if you get killed and are not wearing a vest then your family gets zero benefits.
Anonymous said...
Heard from Newark PO's while in DC,this boss will PISS OFF all bosses, and has the patrolmans back. Lets wait and see. Remember though, shit rolls downhill.
6/10/2011 10:26:00 AM
"Has the patrolman's back".... what exactly do you think that means? Not a fuckin' thing to anyone other than some kid who thinks this goof is JUST ALRIGHT because he throws out a no-hat beef, or because that no city sticker beef gets thrown out if you promise to go violate someone's civil rights to make him look good.
This fuckin tool can't do a fuckin' think to "back" anyone because the law prevails in court, not this fucker's loud mouth about what he thinks he can do.
You go ahead and start putting hands on people for this dumbfuck, and then stand back and watch him cut you loose like every other boss on this fuckin' job because they can't take the heat.
The City of Chicago won't take YOUR heat for civil rights violations, bank on it. And to follow this twit's generalized blanket statements thinking they give you the right to violate other's is the path to years of stress and time spent in federal prison.
This prick's a big mouth, nothing more. He's trying to get his personal brand of bullshit to stick, hoping someone believes it.
Anonymous said...
I have a problem with bt 1707 not wearing a bullet proof vest and many detectives responding without bullet proof vest , where are the captains or lieutenants to correct
this safety violation .
I forgot rule are only enforced against the blue shirts .
6/10/2011 11:40:00 AM
You have a problem alright, and it's all in your head. And it ends with grammar.
I want to work for McCarthy. This guy can ride in my car. The word he used was "obliterate" a street-gang. It wasn't over-the-top. Words like that are long OVERDUE! This was a very carefully chosen word to let us know he's the police...and he's going to let us do our jobs.
really and how do you plan to obliterate them? dowp, reckless conducts and 1811s are not going to obliterate anything. face it, you are not going to put anyone in the pennetentiary unless you grab him off the corner and get into the house to get his real dirt. No matter who the boss is those days are long gone. I played that game back in sos in the 90s and early 2000s and its not worth doing it anymore. Sometimes you might get lucky and get him on the street with a gun, catch him after a shooting or be able to get a couple of search warrants but its not going to obliterate anyone. the department is finished. misdemeanors and broken windows are not going to do a thing. the thugs know we arent going to just start blowing in doors anymore and grabbing them off the corner and get into the house... they have adapted and we have become powerless... crime fighting is a thing of the past. Now its just nonsense arrests that dont solve a thing.
This is the reason they posted your salary on-line. They are going to tell the public they cannot hire more police, but the ones they have a very well paid and these contract "modifications" are a small consolidation for their salary.
6/10/2011 10:31:00 AM
Bull. Our salaries have been online for SEVERAL years now. The posting of salaries is NOT new.
“We’re going to obliterate that gang,” he said. “Every one of their locations has to get blown up until they cease to exist.”
Don't let your mouth write a check that your ass can't cash.
6/10/2011 10:38:00 AM
Don't be such a pessimist. If you ask nicely, perhaps the miscreants will meander from the corners. Or, perhaps not.
Since that's all we're really allowed to do these days, this should be really entertaining.
mccarthy should have asked carouthers and all commanders ,how many officers assigned to your district are assigned to clerical duties or unnecessary assignments ,
crossing guard supervisor , court officer , time keeper etc
then follow up by reviewing officers activity and a&a sheets
6/10/2011 10:38:00 AM
THEN he should ask why we need a crossing guard supervisor at all. And THEN he should ask why we need crossing guards at all. Most useless waste of money in the world.
Better read the Rahm play book gain McPuppet....CPD will never get rid of these burger flipping bosses...what a joke this city/department is...burn baby burn!
Can CompStat connect the Merit Dots and publish a "Who's Who" list ?
We already know all the exempts and commanders, but what about all the captains, lieutenants? 30% sergeants and 20% detective choochs too.
So now here comes the wave of fury from shaky clout bosses trying to save their spots, reining blows upon the skulls of the lowly flunky patrolman.
New 3 page humpers, endless radio traffic for event numbers, & tact teams working a full 6 hr. tour.
The flogging will continue until moral improves.
Dumping Carothers will be a good start, then Downtown EB.
Manipulating the numbers ... thats just silly. Sillly silly silly.
They will never cut bodies out of the commanders office or other hidden inside people. They will just carry them on a foot post, special detail, station security or some other made up post and headquarters will never know Been going on for the last three years and dont know if the new Supt is smart enough to catch on
P.O. MM is my hero.
Supt. McCarthy,
Give us our teeth back and we will take care of it. Back us up when we arrest gangbangers. Back us up when we tell them to clear the corners. Back us up when we do our jobs, and we will do our jobs. No one from the sup's office has had our backs for a good long time now.
R we getting hand grenades now???
6/10/2011 02:30:00 PM
sadly, no.
more likely, balloons.
hot air balloons.
up, up and away.....
How about not only getting excited at the prospect of dumping a non-performing (whatever the hell that means) commander, we also focus a bit on the PO who checks off with goose eggs every night? Accountability has to go up and down.
HATE TO TELL U THIS BUT ALL THE EXEMPTS GET A NICE SIZE CHEAT SHEET WEEKS BEFORE THE MEETING.
IT HAS ABOUT 10 QUESTION WITH A COUPLE OF RINGER QUESTIONS.
IF AN EXEMPT WHO MAKES OVER 100K CANT MEMORIZE THE ANSWER TO 10 QUESTION AND CANT BULLSHIT HIS WAY THROUGH THAT MAY BE THEY SHOULD BE DEMOTED.
DO U REALLY THINK THE SUPE KNOWS WHAT IS HAPPENING IN EVERY BEAT AND DISTRICT?
HE HAS A CHEAT SHEET PROVIDED TO HIM MADE BY THE DISTRICT COMMANDERS.
100 EXEMPTS?
WOW
THEY SHOULD ALL BE ON THE RED LINE EVERY WEEKEND.
OH THE RED LINE IS A TRAIN THAT LEADS TO THE MOST DANGEROUS PART OF THE CITY. (IN CASE U DIDNT KNOW.)
How could McCarthy know how to 'obliterate gang locations' when he had to ask, just last week, "What's gang activity?"
Did the bosses whispering in the new Stuperintendents ear forget to mention that we had a Bullshit unit that mirrored Compstat? It was called "Management Accountability". And it was a total failure, unable to lay the hammer down on all the political merit exempts. What a waste of money! Not even a slap on the hand!!!! All it did was allow thesenbosses to go back to unit and lay blame on blue shirts and give them quotas to meet! More tickets, contact cards, and event numbers. Not a word of arrests, or enforcement citywide. Just smoke and mirrors, and reclassification of crimes! So, Joe, you're not teaching anyone anything new! Cut exempts in half! Ask mayor to allow alderman to be investigated by police instead of all the fucking ammunity and makes Feds look like their superstars in our back yard. IGO can't and won't dig deep enough. I could go on and on but for what? We're doomed. Soon this Super Mario look alike will claim he invented Napster or the Internet. He comes off liken he invented fucking police ideas when he needs to know our hands have been tied for years, and all crimes here in Chicago are solved and attended to by the infamous "Event Numbers".
We eagerly await the moment in time when a commander walks into an accountability meeting and leaves as a field lieutenant, for then and only then will we believe that Rahm has given over control of the Department to the Superintendent. But until then, clout is going to be the rule of the day.
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Hey you sound like this can't happen. I can see it happening real soon. As soon as someone who's juice is no longer around screws up, they will replace that person at a meeting with one of Rahms chosen ones.
It's all for show people. He's Rahm's puppet, nothing will change. We all know Chicago is one corrupt political machine. The only thing g-nuts is worried about is saving his own ass, and making himself look good. It's like a game of chest and we are all are just pawns. We will weather this storm like all the others.
Ike Carothers? Isn't he the son of William Carothers who was an Alderman who also went to jail for wrong doings? Hey the dad was convicted less the 3 years after he got in office. At least Ike last longer then dad did. But they both got nabbed for the same damn thing.
Why does the director of finance frank wilson still have over five full duty officers at 35th if all full duty was put back on the street.
I want to work for McCarthy. This guy can ride in my car. The word he used was "obliterate" a street-gang. It wasn't over-the-top. Words like that are long OVERDUE! This was a very carefully chosen word to let us know he's the police...and he's going to let us do our jobs.
6/10/2011 02:49:00
Lol are you that naive? Sounds good-maybe. But when you get into shit doing this nobody will have your back. Should I purchase the ticket to your benefit now or wait until you are on our way to club fed?
Haha! Gotta admire his kick ass, take names later attitude. Give him a month or so before he realizes Chicago is located in Cook County.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
a little note...the MLD S and GD S are local urban terrorist boss. they reside in these communities and are known and protected to an extent.this nonsense will only stop when the community stops allowing this behavior.dont blame the police...blame the community for tolerating lawless behavior.
6/10/2011 11:38:00 AM
So DICK HEAD according to your logic it's the community's fault right? I have news for you. I grew up on a block full of gang bangers, shit heads, criminals, etc... My mom and dad couldn't afford to live in a nice neighborhood. We are decent people who believe in the Golden Rule. Plus there are many like us. We kept our noses clean and there isn't anything we can do about someone else's actions except our own. It's unfortunate but the gang bangers own the streets and if they find out you are talking to the police then our property would get destroyed (car and house) and the whole family's personal safety is in jeopardy. Don't paid the entire community with the same brush.
Where's 1707's vest... Iam suprised 1707 even had gun.... got to love the caos clowns,,, at least she was on duty this time when a shooting happened right outside a building she was in.... wonder if she cooperated this time with the investigation??
“We’re going to obliterate that gang,” he said. “Every one of their locations has to get blown up until they cease to exist.”
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And when McFib is on the stand answering why he violated people's civil rights because they were brown or black and at one of those locations without probable cause to believe or establish they were gang members..."
Seriously, who does he think is going to go around being the 'big bad police' when we've all been made eunuchs? (sp?) If you've got blue shirts who don't give a shit and who are afraid of being Cozzi'd, seriously, who does he expect to be proactive?
Sorry McGuff, don't count on me. I answer calls and back up fellow officers. I will not be stopping 'suspicious' persons, looking for guns, or dope. I simply do not care.
I will not be used as a pawn to burnish your image. You will throw us under the bus just like the last guy--the only reason you want guys/gals to 'work' is to make you look good.
Until you start showing that you care about the blue shirts, and not the command staff, or the rev'runs, expect -0- results.
See, we've been beat so bad, for so long, that you can't bamboozle us. No thanks.
Maybe Chicago should embark in a remake of Season 3 of the Wire.
Cmdr. Carothers can can play the role of Bunny Colvin, set aside certain areas for the gangs, only instead of slinging dope, they can use the designated areas to kill each other.
Anonymous disgruntled in 008 said...
I dont care, fuck this department and fuck its numbers game. Fuck the "quality arrests" and fuck the bullshit arrests. Im tired of it all. Fuck your missions, fuck your stats, fuck your numbers, fuck your contact cards, fuck your dispersals, fuck the little bullshit boxes that we have to stay in all night... anything I left out?
6/10/2011 01:04:00 PM
I like your idea. Just fuck it all. Until they allow the police to be the police again, nothing will change.
We eagerly await the moment in time when a commander walks into an accountability meeting and leaves as a field lieutenant, for then and only then will we believe that Rahm has given over control of the Department to the Superintendent. But until then, clout is going to be the rule of the day.
YOU HIT IT RIGHT ON THE HEAD. TIME WILL TELL.
First, no cash OT between September and April. All OT (court included) will be given as comp time. If an officer has over 200 hours on the books then they have to take time accumulated before the end of the next period or lose it.
Second, no summer furloughs in 2012. This lets the department run below 10 thousand and still match old staffing levels in the summer. This will push all furloughs in the fall, winter, and early spring months when they won't care if they are understaffed because crime is lower. Also, anyone on medical during the summer should expect that someone from the IG is following them.
This is the reason they posted your salary on-line. They are going to tell the public they cannot hire more police, but the ones they have a very well paid and these contract "modifications" are a small consolidation for their salary.
It Will never happen. It will take three more years before new contract
The former Commander of 13 is lucky she is not accountable for anything now with Comp Stat. She would look like a fool at these meetings asking here why her old district is one of the worst areas in the United States. Must be rough at Special Functions.
Get your facts straight, 013 one of the worst areas in the United States? maybe 30 years ago
I want to work for McCarthy. This guy can ride in my car. The word he used was "obliterate" a street-gang. It wasn't over-the-top. Words like that are long OVERDUE! This was a very carefully chosen word to let us know he's the police...and he's going to let us do our jobs.
6/10/2011 02:49:00 PM
Seriously, have you gone for a pee test lately? You know that crack rots your brain, don't you? I sure hope this was an attempt at sarcasm, because if this is a real post, you are in trouble, brother!
awsome picture of ernie brown playing with his blackberry on suntimes.com he has to go
"I hope this Super succeeds. The problem he faces though is not the gangs but the culture within the CPD."
--6/10/2011 10:17:00 AM
The Chicago Police Department didn't throw a woman and her baby down a flight of stairs on the "L" and then root through her diaper bag looking for money.
You are crazy.
Go away.
“We’re going to obliterate that gang,” he said. “Every one of their locations has to get blown up until they cease to exist.”
-- Supt. McCarthy, dissing MLDs.
"Don't let your mouth write a check that your ass can't cash."
--6/10/2011 10:38:00 AM
Word, brother.
Carothers is the biggest moron you will ever meet. The guy walks around a crime scene like a rooster without its head. He knows everyone thinks he's an idiot apnd therefore he avoids eye contact with anyone. Launch that pompous prick.
I know this jagof would drive up to crime scenes 30 minutes after it happen with lights and sirens. "Look Big Stupid is here "
Anonymous said...
OT
Major change in the works.
The city is working on eliminating summer furloughs. A recent review showed that the department is better staffed in the winter when crime is at it's lowest. Officers on furlough, medical, comp time, and leave of absence all increase dramatically in the summer. The city has a two fold plan and they are going to use "financial emergency" to push it through before a new contract takes effect.
First, no cash OT between September and April. All OT (court included) will be given as comp time. If an officer has over 200 hours on the books then they have to take time accumulated before the end of the next period or lose it.
Second, no summer furloughs in 2012. This lets the department run below 10 thousand and still match old staffing levels in the summer. This will push all furloughs in the fall, winter, and early spring months when they won't care if they are understaffed because crime is lower. Also, anyone on medical during the summer should expect that someone from the IG is following them.
This is the reason they posted your salary on-line. They are going to tell the public they cannot hire more police, but the ones they have a very well paid and these contract "modifications" are a small consolidation for their salary.
6/10/2011 10:31:00 AM
You are full of shit.
This is the trouble with an anonymous blog. Some people will read the above post and get all upset that it is truth. It isn't.
On medical in summer? Someone from IG is following? Fuck you. IG doesn't investigate police as yet. IG doesn't have resources to begin to investigate the massive corruption in the rest of the city.
Furloughs are decided by seniority, according to contract. A percent lower in summer. In theory, that puts roughly the same amount of manpower on furlough year around, except for the 1% less in summer.
Certain units do not allow summer furloughs, by agreement. As for the rest, CONTRACT. Read it some time.
And if a dog ass is bogus on the medical, fuck that person, I would love to see him/her get caught and prosecuted for theft.
When someone gets these great thoughts and posts crap like the above post, I would love to have them sign their real name, star number, etc. to prove authenticity.
But that is highly unlikely to happen. Better to toss back a few and throw some crap against the virtual wall.
The only way Carothers isn't commander when he leaves a compstat meeting is if Mcliar makes him a dep chief or ADS. Remember when JFled tried to dump the clouted commander of 25 the guy called his clout Jfled had to bring him back give him a better job and then promote some of his friends to pacify the clergy and politicians. Let me let u in on a little something Mcliar you ain't running Sh!t. No matter how stupid Carothers, brown, georgas, or penny are they " networked" their way to the top and you have to accept them.
Anonymous said...
R we getting hand grenades now???
6/10/2011 02:30:00 PM
Not hand grenades, "Street Gang Obliteration Devices."
I do hope they designate a thick brick wall for firing squad use. We need summary executions by firing squad for a while.
The heat is on...and I don't mean Miami! It's about time these commanders are being held accountable...it will be a whole lot of comsacking going on! GMack Rocks!
Person shot 2 blocks from the 024 station
". . . he asked his staff to look into having the Chicago Police do the work in-house. . . ."
We used to have our own crime lab, but it was staffed mostly by clout-baby civilians with little or no training in forensic science.
You guys who keep bitching about cops doing the timekeeping better shut the fuck up. Just wait till the get the asshole civilian in there with the 6th grade education who can't fucking add. Hmm let's see you worked 3 hours at time and a half. That makes 3.5 hours. Its happened before.
We were told yesterday that under no circumstance were we to say "flash mob" on the radio. We are to refer to these situations as multiple offenders.
disgruntled in 008 said...
I dont care, fuck this department and fuck its numbers game. Fuck the "quality arrests" and fuck the bullshit arrests. Im tired of it all. Fuck your missions, fuck your stats, fuck your numbers, fuck your contact cards, fuck your dispersals, fuck the little bullshit boxes that we have to stay in all night... anything I left out?
6/10/2011 01:04:00 PM
YES, tell us what you really think.
Anonymous said...
I want to work for McCarthy. This guy can ride in my car. The word he used was "obliterate" a street-gang. It wasn't over-the-top. Words like that are long OVERDUE! This was a very carefully chosen word to let us know he's the police...and he's going to let us do our jobs.
6/10/2011 02:49:00 PM
They're only "words" son. Here's a word for you...maturity, look it up.
Can we shoot these fuckers now if they toss up the pitch forks or crown? Let the hunt begin!
Where is that in the book? Just in case.
017, the beat car {1732} was not near the park during the shooting, because,the 3rd watch capt had them shopping and collecting the money for the mandatory b.b.q. on SUNDAY JUNE 12,2011. This incompentant watch commander has the 30 sector arranging the b.b.q for sunday and not monitoring their beat.. the best part of this is, they all will be cooking while their is no beat coverage. NOBODY WANTS TO DO THESE COOKOUTS ON SUNDAY BUT, THE CAPT D.D. ORDERED IT, EACH SECTOR,EACH WEEK, HAS THEIR TURN,OTHER WISE IF YOU DON'T COMPLY, YOU WILL BE THROWN OFF YOUR CAR.. HOLD THE 3RD WATCH COMMANDER ACCOUNTABLE FOR HER ACTIONS!!
GMac: what's going on in 007?
AC: well, there's a lot of shooting going on....
G: there seems to be an increase in some categories....what is your strategery?
AC: well, my dad and brother are fed felons....maybe the feds or shortshanks can say why I'm here..
Looked like a room full of really uncomfortable people trying to look attentive.
---not a cop
Fyi. In 008, june 3rd, tac was ordered to conduct an edge mission. 62 arrests. Since then, in 008 alone, 8 shootings, 12 shot, 3 dead. Scc please investigate. June 8th alone, 4 shootings, last day it was 95 degrees.
I'm sorry, I couldn't get passed this part:
At one point, McCarthy asked a detective how long the state crime lab takes to process bullet casings for the Chicago Police. When he was told it typically takes four to six weeks, he asked his staff to look into having the Chicago Police do the work in-house.
Excuse my laughter - BWWAAAAAA!!!
Sure thing, Garry, we'll get right on putting more people in firearms when we can't even promote people into the Crime Lab or even ETs.
This dept is a fucking joke.
Lets see him blow them up, have it on video, and walk away unscathed. Then I will believe a little bit that we can be the police again! Until then its all just hot air to stir up a bunch of young gun ho guys so they will do stupid things that could land them in the slammer. No thanks, boss.
AFter comstat have a meeting with all your IAD folks and ask to see their complimentary histories or their arrest stats. Easy to pull up on the puter.
Would love to see some of their blank sheets of paper.
How can they investigate police work if they have never done it????
Just a thought....
Anonymous said...
Somebody needs to tell GMAC the the CPD isn't a bunch of pansies who need his tough talking to make us tougher. The CPD has (had) a reputation across the country of a department that "takes care of business" when the time comes. His tough talk may impress the coppers in joizy but he's talking to coppers that. Have dealt with TABD, DNC, Bulls riots, and on and on. "explode their corners" WTF does that even mean? Sounds good for the media but it's really just tough talk without any real meaning just like his promise to arrest ALL of the mobs robbing people downtown. Where does all this follow-up manpower come from? All the disbanded units?
Gmac is just another superintendent who is full of hot air.
Former 153
6/10/2011 02:16:00 PM
Years ago, CPD was a proud organization. But years of corrupt political promotions and discipline rendered us impotent. We lack the leadership and the will to fight back. AKA Cozzi. Unfortunately, we need a tough leader to bring us around and to take back the city. Look around former 153, we lack direction and the motivation to do the work and risk punushment. One wrong step and IAD will burn you. Too many examples under Weiss of coppers being burned and call back is full of coppers unjustly punished. Answer your call, nothing more.
The 35th street purge has begun. Units cut across the board. No one is safe. Stay tuned, if you're full duty or on a detail, get your shit together!
@ W.S.I.D-N
6/10/2011 01:20:00 PM
"...well choreographed fuckery..."
As a fellow alum of "Fort Fuck-You" aka 3151, we don't mind in the least.
If you can continue to fire for effect, we don't mind being a spotter at all.
I dont care, fuck this department and fuck its numbers game. Fuck the "quality arrests" and fuck the bullshit arrests. Im tired of it all. Fuck your missions, fuck your stats, fuck your numbers, fuck your contact cards, fuck your dispersals, fuck the little bullshit boxes that we have to stay in all night... anything I left out?
6/10/2011 01:04:00 PM
You left out screw this city, screw this county and screw this state. And while the criminals from here are running the country, screw it too! But other than this, you nailed it!
J Vader Here;
You are about to witness the rise of Rahmunism (Rahm-u-nism). Anybody that goes along with his policies will hither fort be considered a Rahmunist. Rahmunism is a double edged sword, so far so good though.
Now can someone in the know figure out when they are going to hire again, a few of us from the 06 list are still waiting. Be safe out there!!!
"In his Bronx brogue, McCarthy asked about a spike in shootings in Englewood "
Frank Main is so pathetic. I can't get over it.
6/10/2011 12:23:00 PM"
Don't think he would have referred to Hillards accent,as slow drawl steppn fetchit
Hey Mc Gruff stick in your behind and let the Commanders do their jobs for God Sakes already. Stop wasting their time with weekly bullshit meetings about what already happened. Get off your ass and go to their district and drive around with the Commander and tell him what you would like to see. Jody had no balls and you claim to be a cop so act like one. Stop all the threats about demotion and who can do a better job. Jesus Christ himself could not fix the ghetto districts. Give these guys some slack and some real manpower.
Gang enforcement is way too big like MSF and tru
OT
Major change in the works.
The city is working on eliminating summer furloughs. A recent review showed that the department is better staffed in the winter when crime is at it's lowest. Officers on furlough, medical, comp time, and leave of absence all increase dramatically in the summer. The city has a two fold plan and they are going to use "financial emergency" to push it through before a new contract takes effect.
First, no cash OT between September and April. All OT (court included) will be given as comp time. If an officer has over 200 hours on the books then they have to take time accumulated before the end of the next period or lose it.
Second, no summer furloughs in 2012. This lets the department run below 10 thousand and still match old staffing levels in the summer. This will push all furloughs in the fall, winter, and early spring months when they won't care if they are understaffed because crime is lower. Also, anyone on medical during the summer should expect that someone from the IG is following them.
This is the reason they posted your salary on-line. They are going to tell the public they cannot hire more police, but the ones they have a very well paid and these contract "modifications" are a small consolidation for their salary.
6/10/2011 10:31:00 AM
YOU ARE ON CRACK, DUDE!!!!
Everything you are talking about is a negotiated issue. To violate such issues would surely cost the city down the road.
Put down the pipe.
I'm cynical, let's see. It's a lot harder dumping 35th st. Gold stars and eliminating unnecessary spots, we know there are many.
Or the waste of man power when Lts are in charge of 2 or 3 sgts. and a handful of pos.
Or commanders responsible for a few in special groups
CompStat this --
The sister of Sally Katona-King, the tireless activist for the poor and homeless who was murdered by being thrown down the stairs at the Fullerton "L" stop while being robbed of her her cell phone, said on Channel 7 News tonight that the solution may lie in "better mentoring," especially for those coming from "modest neighborhoods."
"MODEST NEIGHBORHOODS?"
Ain't nothing modest about someone with gold fronts, $200 hair, $300 shoes, $400 all-white FUBU suit, $500 of bling who gon' rob yo' diaper bag fo' cash money.
No offense, lady, but you're a little out of your depth here. "Mentoring" doesn't do much for rabid animals. They are beyond hearing anyone, or caring. You are merely an object to them, like a lamp post or something.
What's needed is more along the lines of a .45 slug in the head -- and even those have been known to bounce off.
Trust me on this.
Well, now Garry my man, why are you paling around with the REV's and not visiting the districts and talk with the troops, Why bec ause Rahm told him so, It's the same song, Fuck the Police, cater to the Shitheads.
You have to at Least give McCarthy a chance, believe me, I'm the most cynical of cynical. So far his talk is good, now we have to see if he actually backs it up, but for that you have to give him time.
anyone who got dumped off their car in 017 had that happened to them because they are strokes...not because of failing to participate in a bbq....lmao on that one super cop!
Fyi. In 008, june 3rd, tac was ordered to conduct an edge mission. 62 arrests. Since then, in 008 alone, 8 shootings, 12 shot, 3 dead. Scc please investigate. June 8th alone, 4 shootings, last day it was 95 degrees.
6/10/2011 08:30:00 PM
Truth. 008 was pretty quiet this year until June.
Having no summer furlos won't work. Why? Because it will throw everything out of whack with larger percentages off on furlo during the winter. There was talk of doing this back in the late 80's by changing summer percentages to 3% instead of 7% but it didn't go beyond the planning stage. Besides, there is still a contract.
You have to at Least give McCarthy a chance, believe me, I'm the most cynical of cynical. So far his talk is good, now we have to see if he actually backs it up, but for that you have to give him time.
6/10/2011 10:27:00 PM
"Barker beat his head with his clenched fist in his impotent anger. 'Do not tell me that we have to sit down under this? Do you say that no one can ever get level with this king devil?'
'No, I don't say that,' said Holmes, and his eyes seemed to be looking far into the future. 'I don't say that he can't be beat. But you must give me time -- you must give me time!'"
Now can someone in the know figure out when they are going to hire again, a few of us from the 06 list are still waiting. Be safe out there!!!
6/10/2011 09:34:00 PM
you, sir, have the patience of Job.
To the clown who "works" in 002 who has a problem with the tact teams: You are only upset because as a lockup keeper you actually had to put down the Nintendo controller or pause your DVD and do your job once in a while. Guess what... It's coming back! If you know anything about law enforcement theory, you realize that you have already experienced the result of the "Broken Windows Theory." Commander Lewis demanded it, and (then) Lt Carothers made it happen.
If you didn't like it then, give up your spot now before you start crying again about having to do your job.
Read this about the 13 district loser.
http://images.businessweek.com/slideshows/20110201/america-s-most-extreme-places/slides/31
highest crime rate in America.
Commander JM should be a P.P.O
Tony carothers shouldn't be commanding the animal control unit let alone a district full of police officers in one of the busiest districts in the city. What an incompetent moron....
Anonymous said...
Hell will freeze over before some of the merit hack commanders like Carothers, Moy, Florez, and the rest get dumped. It will never happen, bank on it. That is the reason this Department and City is in the sad state of affairs it is.
6/10/2011 01:11:00 PM
What about Judy in 13. She is BC person and BC should be done
First, get rid of all light duty p.o.'s and medical abusers in order to open up more spots. Second, restrict medical days. Third, hire some fresh new meat who are ready and willing to work. And lastly, fill admin spots with senior officers.
This guy's the real deal!!!!!! I would love to work side by side with GMAC and clean the street up!!!! He'll toss'em up...and I'll swat'em down!!!!! Disbanned TRU style!!!!
youtube -
One year ago 52 shot and 8 dead
“We’re going to obliterate that gang,” he said. “Every one of their locations has to get blown up until they cease to exist.”
Sounds like a job for Bomb & Arson!!!
believe it or not, but wearing a vest is not a G.O. if you get killed and are not wearing a vest then your family gets zero benefits.
Man, check your orders and uniform specs.
Body armor is, generally, required. Det's have some latitude to remove it, but they are required to have it in the vehicle.
As for not wearing a vest being ground to deny line of duty death benefits: total BS. Tho there is talk of changing that.
And all are required to wear seatbelts and if you transport a handcuffed arrestee in a car you are required to seatbelt them in.
Fyi. In 008, june 3rd, tac was ordered to conduct an edge mission. 62 arrests. Since then, in 008 alone, 8 shootings, 12 shot, 3 dead. Scc please investigate. June 8th alone, 4 shootings, last day it was 95 degrees.
thanks for info but who cares? Is that something new for 008 on the first extreme heat in the summer?? no, its not. Welcome to summer, get use to it. Shootings will only continue. No matter how many arrests or how little arrests people make shootings will happen. And no, running an edge mission didnt awaken the thugs into violence. The 95 degree weather woke them.
First, no cash OT between September and April. All OT (court included) will be given as comp time. If an officer has over 200 hours on the books then they have to take time accumulated before the end of the next period or lose it.
Second, no summer furloughs in 2012. This lets the department run below 10 thousand and still match old staffing levels in the summer. This will push all furloughs in the fall, winter, and early spring months when they won't care if they are understaffed because crime is lower. Also, anyone on medical during the summer should expect that someone from the IG is following them.
I hope RDTU calls you down for a "whizzquizz".
First of all, the forcing an officer to take TD if he has more than 200 hrs wont work. They are forcing you to work OT because they don't have enough bodies. So how can they force to take off when they are forcing you to work?
LAPD is currently running into this problem now.
The "use it or lose it" for comp time is TOTAL BS. The Department used to to that in the 1970's but stopped doing it due to a Federal Lawsuit. It violates Federal Labor law that basically says if you work you have to be paid. And when you're paid, the IRS wants it's cut.
The shifting or elimination of summer furloughs doesn't really provide that many more bodies.
Say you have 250 in a district. 8% of that is 20 bodies. Spread out over 3 watches and 6 DOGs is about 1 body per shift. Not a bid deal.
Special/secondary employment might be more likely. Cheaper for the City, but bad for the Pension Fund.
Gang enforcement is way too big like MSF and tru
6/10/2011 09:49:00 PM
What's the size of disbaded? Shut up goof and get your shine box.
CompStat? It's not CompStat. It's CompJack. If you ain't competent, G-MACK gonna jack you right out of your chair! He's gonna detonate you right out of your exempt corner office and car! He's gonna obliterate you until you cease to exist! But wait a second.
Riinng! Riinng! Hello Mare. Yes, this is G-MACK. Huh? Undetonate him? Unobliterate her? Uh, yes sir, but...... Uh, yes sir, I heard you. No need to insult my parents, sir. I'll take care of it right away mare! I'll give them their exempt badges back JackStat! Yes sir, I now understand you are the only that can detonate and obliterate an exempt. CLICK! I think the mare hung up on me! I hope he doesn't think I hung up on him! I don't want to go back to Newark!
To anonymous 6/10/11 at 2:36PM re the tiny dancer's habit of touching his mouth with his finger in public...
obama does the same thing...it's a security blanket issue...they'd rather grab their crotches to release the tension of the moment that they're experiencing, but wouldn't you know it, they can't. So they touch their faces, or their torsos or their arms..to be in touch with their comfort zones.
I suggest they sit on their fingers...definitely one of THEIR comfort zones.
To the DB bitching about 017....
You are an idiot. There are a shit ton of po's who can't even eat because if backlogs let alone the ghetto districts where you can't even stop for coffee. Fuck you and your beat coverage. Only thing you are doing is advertising the fact that you guys have it pretty nice. Come to 006,005,007 and see how fast you will beg for a boss who lets u bbq.
If 017 is that bad, bid out.
We are our own worst enemy.
we need the ultimate tactical warrior to stop the mlds!!! also i love G-spot and ranger t/s
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
I have a problem with bt 1707 not wearing a bullet proof vest and many detectives responding without bullet proof vest , where are the captains or lieutenants to correct
this safety violation .
I forgot rule are only enforced against the blue shirts .
6/10/2011 11:40:00 AM
You have a problem alright, and it's all in your head. And it ends with grammar.
I have a problem with coppers worrying about what everyone is doing and not just shutting the fuck up.
Signed
A DEC WITHOUT A VEST
100 EXEMPTS?
WOW
THEY SHOULD ALL BE ON THE RED LINE EVERY WEEKEND.
OH THE RED LINE IS A TRAIN THAT LEADS TO THE MOST DANGEROUS PART OF THE CITY. (IN CASE U DIDNT KNOW.)
6/10/2011 05:16:00 PM
Not 100 exempts. 100 SUPERVISORS. There might have been seventy sergeants and lieutenants there.
And, your all caps posts are hard on the eyes, therefore people just ignore them.
AFter comstat have a meeting with all your IAD folks and ask to see their complimentary histories or their arrest stats. Easy to pull up on the puter.
Would love to see some of their blank sheets of paper.
How can they investigate police work if they have never done it????
Just a thought....
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That's about it - just a thought. It doesn't require street stats to know if you were at your girlfriend's house when you were supposed to be in your district, on your beat. It doesn't require an extensive arrest track record to train a video camera on you when you're snow shoveling while on medical for a 'back injury' that keeps you from going to work.
And, if you're working undercover, it's a detriment to have 'been there and done that', because the more you got around on the job, the more people recognize you and blow your cover.
If he looks at IAD for anything, he should look at number, type, timeliness and quality of cases investigated and closed.
Now, an investigator who generates the most exquisite case file folders, with post-it notes all over the cover, but never accomplishes anything and is always delinquent - well, that one should be launched.
And the one who WAS just launched from a different unit, who now can't manage to maintain confidentiality regarding anything she touches in IAD, yes, she should be jettisoned, too.
A former IAD boss once said, "Who watches the watchers? I do." He was the old-time real police and he had standards. But there's precious little of that left in the unit these days. Or, in the Department, as a whole.
McCarthy 1st question to Carothers should be how in the world does the brother of a convicted felon Alderman become a Police Officer let alone a Police Commander. Then order him to take a blood urine& polygraph.
6/10/2011 10:11:00 AM
We must remember that Daddy preceeded Ike and Tony to the joint. Well I know Tony ain't there yet but it's just a matter of time. Genetics is tough to overcome.
Second, no summer furloughs in 2012
Ah, I believe there is something called a contract at issue here.
But besides that, I like your theory......More P.O.'s take summer furlo's and crime goes up. But the rest of the year crime doen't go up because not many P.O.'s are on furlo.
So if they deny any summer furlo's, won't more coppers then have to take their furlo in the fall, winter or spring. And if that happens, won't crime then go up because we now have more P.O.'s on furlo?
Nice try.
Say what you will about A.C. but while working tact in 002 for him he rewarded you if you brought in heads. We were #1 city wide while he was there and we got taken care of. Ask 007 tact guys. I'm sure they heard about it.
you mean guys got free days off, thats stealing. He was in charge of that....
Maybe the Supe will start reading this and get some ideas. Here's a good one: Let your aggressive tact and gang teams go out and wreak havoc!! You already have plenty of quality employees at your disposal. Cut off the lawsuits, start going after gang members as a homeland security threat...because they are! Cut off the CR's from BS gang banger families. Hey, you know what? Your little boy wants to be a badass, he gets to play with the rest of them in county. If we don't get this city back under control, it will most definitely be another Detroit! Gangs are a domestic threat, terrorists threaten our /lives from overseas, no difference here. I'm not a Democrat but Harry Truman had a point, "THE BUCK STOPS HERE!"
what's wong with earnest brown?
The former Commander of 13 is lucky she is not accountable for anything now with Comp Stat. She would look like a fool at these meetings asking here why her old district is one of the worst areas in the United States. Must be rough at Special Functions.
6/10/2011 02:01:00 PM
We get it. You don't like her, now give it a rest. Stop posting this crap on every thread,. It's getting old.
What, did she turn you down for a date or something? Man up and quit crying like a child.
Anonymous said...
Hell will freeze over before some of the merit hack commanders like Carothers, Moy, Florez, and the rest get dumped. It will never happen, bank on it. That is the reason this Department and City is in the sad state of affairs it is.
6/10/2011 01:11:00 PM
You mentioned the 007,020, 014 . What about the retards in 023,016,008,and 009. Hell, the new Supt. should do just like JFed and changed the entire upper management as well as empty alot of dead wait in HQ.Plus, it's ridiculous for a beat car to have to come from 002 to HQ and do all those minor ass paper jobs that anyone of the hundreds of " Juice Babies" could do a HQ.
Hey Mc Gruff stick in your behind and let the Commanders do their jobs for God Sakes already. Stop wasting their time with weekly bullshit meetings about what already happened. Get off your ass and go to their district and drive around with the Commander and tell him what you would like to see. Jody had no balls and you claim to be a cop so act like one. Stop all the threats about demotion and who can do a better job. Jesus Christ himself could not fix the ghetto districts. Give these guys some slack and some real manpower.
6/10/2011 09:40:00 PM
Thanks for your contribution Commander. Now go pack your bags while we wait for the new guy to replace your three time meritoriously promoted ass with somebody who actually passed a promotional exam.
McCarthy admitted that the gang culture in Chicago is way is something that he has no knowledge about and is more intense then on the east coast. this observation has been backed up by gang reseachers over the years. The gang culture in Chicago has now exceeded that of California and is the most intense in the country. Whether that is the major cause of crime here is still being debated in academic circles. But, i would be wiling to bet that many here will quickly give their viewpoints.
I heard that the weekly exempt meetings will add more emphasis on weather factors than crime stats.
In fact they're bringing in an expert in that area.
The clue was changing Chicago's name to... CompSkilling.
Hire a few more civilians, screen their backgrounds and then make them all around handy people at the district level. They can work the desk, take school crossings when the regular does not show, do community service work etc, spend some time in the offices.
"SCC ..just a suggestion. Legitimize yourself. Remove silly and sarcastic from your caption . Replace with truth. You are read more than any Chicago newspaper".
Replace it with, TRUTH, JUSTICE and the AMERICAN WAY.
Special/secondary employment might be more likely. Cheaper for the City, but bad for the Pension Fund.
6/11/2011 12:33:00 AM
Why is it bad for pension fund troll it is "not pensionable?"
Weis left this railroad in a mess. The tracks weren't taken care of. The engine is missing. All the freight went to the wrong places. The Hobo's are sleeping in the caboose. And the schedule was all messed up. Let's give McCarthy the chance to get his train running and see if we can build it up better than it was before.
You guys who keep bitching about cops doing the timekeeping better shut the fuck up. Just wait till the get the asshole civilian in there with the 6th grade education who can't fucking add. Hmm let's see you worked 3 hours at time and a half. That makes 3.5 hours. Its happened before.
6/10/2011 07:39:00 PM
Let's see we have a civilian timekeeper who does an excellent job....Next!
hahahahahah--- obliterate the mld's and all their corners--- is this guy crazy--- has he ever heard of ipra, iad, deb kirby, anita alvarez, the loevy bitches, terry ekl, or flint---- a lot of coppers want to do the job but it is like walking thru a minefield without a mine detector--- mr. mccarthy, they arrest police officers in this county for going into a tip and blowing everyone up--- can you say aggravated battery, official misconduct, bye bye pension and house---- sorry buddy, you go and blow up the mld's and I will continue to chase down my jobs and do what I have to do by the numbers--- the only time I will take a chance is if it involves the well being of another officer.....
Person shot 2 blocks from the 024 station
6/10/2011 07:15:00 PM
So what?
First, no cash OT between September and April. All OT (court included) will be given as comp time. If an officer has over 200 hours on the books then they have to take time accumulated before the end of the next period or lose it.
Second, no summer furloughs in 2012. This lets the department run below 10 thousand and still match old staffing levels in the summer. This will push all furloughs in the fall, winter, and early spring months when they won't care if they are understaffed because crime is lower. Also, anyone on medical during the summer should expect that someone from the IG is following them.
This is the reason they posted your salary on-line. They are going to tell the public they cannot hire more police, but the ones they have a very well paid and these contract "modifications" are a small consolidation for their salary.
It Will never happen. It will take three more years before new contract
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I don't know if this is true, but I do have a source in Rahm's world who told me that MAJOR changes are coming to the police collective bargaining agreement.
The city is a half billion short on next year's budget. There is no where else they can make up that shortfall other than the police department. All other services are virtually non-existent.
First, get rid of all light duty p.o.'s and medical abusers in order to open up more spots. Second, restrict medical days. Third, hire some fresh new meat who are ready and willing to work. And lastly, fill admin spots with senior officers.
--Your brainless idea has EEOC written all over it!
Anonymous said...
Hey Mc Gruff stick in your behind and let the Commanders do their jobs for God Sakes already. Stop wasting their time with weekly bullshit meetings about what already happened. Get off your ass and go to their district and drive around with the Commander and tell him what you would like to see. Jody had no balls and you claim to be a cop so act like one. Stop all the threats about demotion and who can do a better job.
God damn, there's a shitload of cry babies on this job!
We get it. You don't like her, now give it a rest. Stop posting this crap on every thread,. It's getting old.
What, did she turn you down for a date or something? Man up and quit crying like a child.
6/11/2011 08:19:00 AM
Just the opposite.
I had a weak moment, am paying for it now.
The nightmares will never end, but, with a little venting, I may recover.
Don't ask for the details, they're too horrible.
017, the beat car {1732} was not near the park during the shooting, because,the 3rd watch capt had them shopping and collecting the money for the mandatory b.b.q. on SUNDAY JUNE 12,2011. This incompentant watch commander has the 30 sector arranging the b.b.q for sunday and not monitoring their beat.. the best part of this is, they all will be cooking while their is no beat coverage. NOBODY WANTS TO DO THESE COOKOUTS ON SUNDAY BUT, THE CAPT D.D. ORDERED IT, EACH SECTOR,EACH WEEK, HAS THEIR TURN,OTHER WISE IF YOU DON'T COMPLY, YOU WILL BE THROWN OFF YOUR CAR.. HOLD THE 3RD WATCH COMMANDER ACCOUNTABLE FOR HER ACTIONS!!
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Wow, you really hate bbq's at work. Someone that dedicated should be in charge or at least volunteer to not participate and cover the beats who are. Wow, let's just bitch about everything and anything.
And, your all caps posts are hard on the eyes, therefore people just ignore them.
6/11/2011 04:09:00 AM
only people with a lazy eye.
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