Friday, June 17, 2011

Describe a Mushroom

"Something you keep in the dark and feed horseshit all day long."

It seems that the Superintendent was surprised to find out that all his plainclothes have been in uniform for the past month plus. When he asked why this was, no one had a good answer and no one was willing to throw the person signing off on the order under the proverbial bus.

The order was countermanded immediately and the teams are going back to CD. Good decision. Now how about demoting the mope who signed off on the order? In any event, the current command staff appears to have not related (by accident or by design) all of what's going on in the field. One might believe that the current gold stars are pretty much a collection of political hacks and incompetent double, triple and quadruple "merit" promotees.

Also, there is a new order to be released today stating that Tahoes will not be used in car chases. Ever. The Tahoe will be like a squadrol evidently, even though the Tahoes have been purchased with a police performance package. We are torn on this decision for a number of reasons:
  • Anyone being stopped by an officer in a Tahoe now has an incentive to flee;
  • Of the 300 or so Tahoes out there, all are camera equipped. By taking them out of pursuit business, you've now denied officers the video evidence needed to justify pursuit actions. We're going back to a system of "he said, he said," and we all know how the cases are going to go once they reach the Traffic Review Board - "here's your suspension and driving school."
  • On the other hand, one only has to look at the Densey Cole crash. McCarthy says he lost two officers to SUV crashes, so we can appreciate his concern for the dangers posed by crashes in the trucks.
Debate in the comments.

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114 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

IN today's litigious society who would even contemplate pursuing a felon???

6/17/2011 12:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Will McCarthy bring JUSTICE to those who have suffered the fate of the two-tier system of justice on the CPD???

Everyone is watching and waiting BOSS!

6/17/2011 12:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ok, I dont like it but I suppose you really cant blame McCarthy for his reason. Loosing two coppers in a crash that was caused because of the tahoe is a good reason.

6/17/2011 12:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

well, I know we all want to chase in our hearts because we are police officers. It makes you nuts when a pursuit is called off but these days it is better to use our heads. As shitty as it is to let dude get away he will fu*k up another day. Its not worth getting ourselves jammed up over. If its terminated and you continue to pursue they can get you on all kinds of crap now. Especially if he crashes. They can get you for violation of the pursuit policy, disobeying a direct order by supervisor, inattention to duty etc... you can easily take 15-20 days for all that.. not worth it anymore.

6/17/2011 12:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's what you
posted above

6/17/2011 12:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SCC,

I'm a Border Patrol Agent in AZ, and we use a lot of Tahoes, and the guy with safety concerns about their use as chase vehicles is right. We generally use them to get to places where our Kilo units (the trucks you see with the cages on the back) can't get to based on geography factors due to the Kilos being so damn heavy.

The Tahoes are top heavy, and will roll if you take them at too hard of an angle. We have a lot of straight highways in my area of responsibility, but I can't imagine trying to take a turn in one on a city street.

6/17/2011 12:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Blame uncle Terry for tac being in uniforms. Another political hack that should never been the supernintendo.

6/17/2011 12:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Honestly when was the last time camera footage was used to prosecute a crime. Don't even say DUI. Because asa s rather pull the video to Jam a copper. Get rid of the cameras what a waste of money. We were better off without them.

6/17/2011 12:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In 1996, I came back from a training class on the new order regarding the chase policy. I sincerely addressed roll call, explained the policy, then realized what I was saying.

I told the guys (yes, all guys at the time), "basically, don't chase. They won't back us up, so don't chase." Now, I have to admit, I've been in a couple of chases since, but we have to realize the Dept is a political and economic entity; it doesn't care if we catch the bad guys. Only WE care if we catch the bad guys.

Don't risk the house, the dog and the car. And, these days, I'd have to add, your own personal freedom. Tahoe or no Tahoe.

6/17/2011 12:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"It seems that the Superintendent was surprised to find out that all his plainclothes have been in uniform for the past month plus. When he asked why this was, no one had a good answer and no one was willing to throw the person signing off on the order under the proverbial bus."

Well, gee boss... dats what weve done last year.

Theres your answer.

6/17/2011 12:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I believe the phrase is, "kept in the dark, knee deep in shit".

6/17/2011 12:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Finally, the real police can get back to working the street.
Thanks Big Mac

6/17/2011 01:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

so far, this guy is the real deal. hope he is able to stick around for awhile

6/17/2011 01:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

it has been a while since we had someone that actually knows what it is to be the police, and cares about the people he supervises... finally some CHANGE I BELIVE IN

6/17/2011 01:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This department is run by clout heavy know nothings that have no business being bosses. Nothing will change under McCarthy. The same clowns will be incharge and they will keep him in the dark. For the past month or so we did very little in uniform. No covert cars, no surveillance, no building cases. These dopes make some of the worst police decisions and we don't expect it to change.

6/17/2011 01:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't know if I like this or not. I left Chicago several years ago and now work for a small sheriff's office. We swapped out from the Crown Vic to a GMC 2500 with the handeling package awhile ago. They handle much like you would imagine, but with the proper training and skill, you can take on a pursuit without a hitch. We've been involved in several since the transition with no problems. I can understand his hesitation, but I still think that the best judgement is with the officer and their supervisor.

Just my opinion.

6/17/2011 01:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

95% of vehicle pursuits are traffic related anyway, call for Air 1. Save yourself from being trickbagged & all the headaches that go w/ the post chase scrutiny

6/17/2011 02:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We have a new Supt.? I haven't heard a word from him. Is he just taking orders from Rahm. The biggest window ever to make a statement about a new direction, and I haven't heard anything. I guess: New boss, the same as the old boss.

6/17/2011 02:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No chase w/ Tahoe-- shortsighted!!

"Shots fired at the police"
"Squad, hold me at this location and send me a crown vic- I've been shot at by the vehicle fleeing this area"

We are all professionals, and are accountable for our actions- which includes our driving. Partners help manuver thru traffic. Sergeants monitor the zone to check the patrol officer.

Enough is there-- G-Mack, I thought you were the police.

We know this job is dangerous, what's next- ban handguns, 'cause I've lost co-workers to those

6/17/2011 03:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"(720 ILCS 5/7-5)
 Peace officer's use of force in making arrest. (a) A peace officer need not retreat or desist from efforts to make a lawful arrest because of resistance or threatened resistance to the arrest. He is justified in the use of any force which he reasonably believes to be necessary to effect the arrest..."

No chase, period, w/ Tahoe= retreat

The order violates Statue, making it invalid.
:)
One cannot follow unlawful orders... We swore an oath to uphold laws, even at the risk of losing our lives

Next order, no foot chases when guns are suspected... We all know someone killed on-duty with a gun

6/17/2011 03:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OT: go to data.cityofchicago.org and search for tif
I looked at only the unallocated funds and the total is $868,430,033.00. Looking at the total of all the TIFs (transfers in and out) $998,892,970.00. I'm far from an accountant but someone familiar with this type of stuff should look at it.

6/17/2011 04:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Blame uncle Terry for tac being in uniforms. Another political hack that should never been the supernintendo.

6/17/2011 12:29:00 AM

No, blame Daley who TOLD Terry he wanted to create the perception of more police out there, to tide him over til Emanuel got stuck with the whole mess.

6/17/2011 05:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Now, someone's saying McSupe is the 'real deal' because he's letting you go back to wearing jeans?
Obviously, you haven't been the police long enough to KNOW what the 'real deal' is.

6/17/2011 05:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Finally, the real police can get back to working the street.
Thanks Big Mac


I think he is getting a bit ahead of himself on this issue. Don't we need to find some real police to "get back to working the street?"

Just asking.

6/17/2011 05:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Off topic but nothing has been mentioned about James Jackson retirement. Great guy and the real police, Weis wouldn't allow him to be the first deputy because Masters had that role but I think a thread should be created, anyone that ever worked for this guy knows that there isn't many bosses on this job like him anymore and that is unfortunate.

6/17/2011 06:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Blame uncle Terry for tac being in uniforms. Another political hack that should never been the supernintendo.

He took a bullet for the team, so when you have sacraficed as much then you can open your mouth.

6/17/2011 07:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So dude kills a copper, car is spotted with dude, I'm in a Tahoe, and I'm supposed to just sit there with my thumb up my ass. You know what, just fucking take our guns away while you're at it too.

6/17/2011 07:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Finally, the real police can get back to working the street.
Thanks Big Mac

Why, cuz you lose your super powers in uniform? Prima Donna A-Hole!

6/17/2011 07:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I can't chase someone in my Tahoe? Ok, that is fine with me.

6/17/2011 07:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"(720 ILCS 5/7-5)
Peace officer's use of force in making arrest. (a) A peace officer need not retreat or desist from efforts to make a lawful arrest because of resistance or threatened resistance to the arrest. He is justified in the use of any force which he reasonably believes to be necessary to effect the arrest..."

No chase, period, w/ Tahoe= retreat

The order violates Statue, making it invalid.
:)
One cannot follow unlawful orders... We swore an oath to uphold laws, even at the risk of losing our lives

Next order, no foot chases when guns are suspected... We all know someone killed on-duty with a gun

Ok smartass, then don't follow the new policy. Cite the above statute.

6/17/2011 07:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here is one good reason why once the chase is terminated, you should stop chasing. The state's attorney is going to prosecute cops if they disobey a chase termination and innocent citizens end up getting injured. Guess who will be prosecuted? Yes, that is right, you.

6/17/2011 07:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

tahoe policy should be same as unmarked policy

6/17/2011 07:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

95% of vehicle pursuits are traffic related anyway, call for Air 1. Save yourself from being trickbagged & all the headaches that go w/ the post chase scrutiny

6/17/2011 02:21:00 AM

HA!! "Squad this is Air 1 available over the Taste, oh wait, we gotta go refuel."

6/17/2011 08:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In this day and age, why would you chase anyone, in a car or in a Tahoe.?

6/17/2011 08:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am still amazed that Chief RIVERA is still a Chief in Internal Affairs!!!!!!!!!! and do not forget Jodi Weis's friend Commander KLIMAS of Internal Affairs F.B.I. pension and makes a nice salary of $$$$$160.000 for doing what?

6/17/2011 08:47:00 AM  
Anonymous 013th District Copper said...

Unfortunately, the majority of our vehicles are now the Tahoe's. It was a stupid idea from J-Fled to buy them in the first place but how can you not chase in them if most of our vehicles are the tahoe's? How do you tell a victim you stopped going after a felon wanted for armed violence against another person because you drive a Tahoe? Our chase policy is already severely limited in what we can do. The convicts know this also.

6/17/2011 08:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i actually agree with the no chase policy...yes its sends a bad message...but years ago my partner and i almost ran over a little girl riding her bike...both of us said "oh shit"...but thank God...it never happened...all over dope....not worth it guys...the city is too congested...if you look at the statistics, nationally,....many officers die, and are catastrophically injured in traffic pursuits....not worth it...

6/17/2011 09:00:00 AM  
Anonymous O.W. Wilson said...

95% of vehicle pursuits are traffic related anyway, call for Air 1.

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Go back to "fantasy land" dude.

6/17/2011 09:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's a well known fact that SUV's are prone to rollover. How can the person who made the decision to buy these still have a job?

6/17/2011 09:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

we've lost cops to friendly fire too, lets get rid of our guns...

6/17/2011 09:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Tahoe was a gift to an Obama connected black owned suburban Chevy dealer, for JPuds public endorsement for president and of course, the customary Daley cut.
These vehicles may be best suited for desert patrol, or were the snow never gets more than an inch deep on a narrow city side street.
The city doesn't have money to buy new vehicles, the pay offs were made and nobody knows nuttin'....again.
I once heard back in the mid 80's after a blizzard, Fleet Div. was interested in 4 wheel drive, I believe they were looking at Jeep Cherokees. The cost was a few hundred $, probably under $1000 per vehicle. The CTA bought a few, for supervisor operations but eventually went with compact Blazers.
If anything, the CPD should have a few 4x4's assigned to districts if only to get officers out of the unplowed police lots and side streets.
Personally I don't like them. Big deal a radio, keyless entry, but no cupholder and if working 2 man no place for your gear.

6/17/2011 09:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wneh they first announced buying the tahoes, nobody in his right mind believed they would be good for the narrow city streets.
If you want sonmething like a SUV, the mid-sized Blazer or Explorer ar much better vehicles,

6/17/2011 09:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm surprised that they purchased the Tahoes in the first place. An SUV hardly seems like a proper police vehicle. Slow, obvious, a drain on fuel resources, cumbersome. Maybe they'd be good for sitting still somewhere to provide presence. Could we sell all of them to recover some of the costs and buy real police cars instead?

6/17/2011 09:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hope GMac is realising incompetence runs rampant through the exempt ranks. Good bosses are the exception not the rule. What made this worse is the exempts JFLED made. Let the bloodletting beging.

6/17/2011 09:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you find yourself in a high speed chase, remember to tell yourself that you are an idiot.

Loss of life. (Yours and any other innocent civilian who finds himself on the road at the time)

Loss of property. (mainly your property after you are successfully sued). As a side note remember to tell yourself that plaintiffs win 90% of high speed pursuit civil cases against the city of Chicago that go to trial.

Loss of freedom. If your car careens into a mother on her way to work, you can bet your ass that you are going to prison for involuntary manslaughter and rightfully so.

I have no pity for any CPD cop who gets jammed up for what happens in a chase unless it's for attempted murder or murder. Even if it's the shithead's fault, you are supposed to know better.

6/17/2011 09:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the order on plainclothes: You mean to say that EB didn't stand up and take credit for putting more uniforms on the street? Doesn't seem like him.
To the Supt. not knowing and being kept in the dark by the exempts: You expect anything less? Pop by the station and talk to the blue shirts and you will get a whole new perspective on this entire police department. You might even learn a thing or two, there G-Mac.
As to the no chase order with Tahoes: Mixed emotions, main thing is go home each and every night. Unfortunately, you get the same kind of burial if you die in a car wreck as you do in a shooting. The ends must justify the means.

6/17/2011 09:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You all love the Tahoes, I know. SUVs are room and comfortable and big and intimidating.

But they do not handle like cars. They have sharply constrained handling limits, and their brakes are not up to car standards either. Even with a police package on them, the immutable laws of physics mean they will (1) not go around corners as readily, (2) will not stop as urgently, and (3) will do more damage when they (more likely) go out of control.

I agree the brass has gotten a little out of control with this blanket policy. But we do have to recognize that big, heavy, tall vehicles have some serious limitations.

6/17/2011 09:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"It seems that the Superintendent was surprised to find out that all his plainclothes have been in uniform for the past month plus. When he asked why this was, no one had a good answer and no one was willing to throw the person signing off on the order under the proverbial bus."

I found that hallarious awww no jeans for you cry me a river tact boys and girls

6/17/2011 10:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ok. can my gun still be used in a shooting? Can I still use my tazer to taze? Jesus Pete, will the stupidity ever end??

6/17/2011 11:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

All u guys sayin McCarthy is the real deal have not watched his sermon at St. Sabina...click below then decide....forward to 62 minute marker


http://www.saintsabina.org/index.php?option=com_wrapper&view=wrapper&Itemid=239

6/17/2011 11:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There's not much need for Tact Teams to be in Civilian Dress anyway, except on specific Missions directed by their Sgt's, and approved by their Lt's and D/C. Otherwise, Uniformed patrol is the way to go, especially if in marked Squad cars. Tact is pretty much an outdayed concept, with all the SWAT, Narcotics, and other specialized Units the Department now has...

6/17/2011 11:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's all the same. Anyone who believed anything different would come from a new Mayor and Supt. are total f'n FOOLS.

6/17/2011 11:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"No chase, period, w/ Tahoe= retreat

The order violates Statue, making it invalid.
:)
One cannot follow unlawful orders... We swore an oath to uphold laws, even at the risk of losing our lives"

You overlooked a few things.

The word "reasonable" Driving a top-heavy vehicle 50-60 mph (or more) on city streets to catch a "traffic violator"? Try to justify that in court (civil and/or criminal) when you run some one over.

The Department policy is NOT to chase. Stay within that policy you are generally OK. Go outside it and you are on your own.

6/17/2011 11:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OT. Speaking of BS and lawsuits what ever happened to Jesse Jacksons also known as the Budweiser Kings lawsuit involving the Gay guy?.

6/17/2011 11:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The city is phasing out the Tahoes anyway, new Fords. We will going to.the area to pick a pool Tahoe in a.few years.

6/17/2011 01:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Citing State Law is one thing, but we work for the CPD which is home rule, and State Law only loosly applies to us.

Talk to a Suburban, or State Copper of one fron out of state, and you will soon realize we are glorified radio chasers that have little or NO knowledge post academy days. Myself included

Our reputation of the bad-ass S.O.B.s is a legacy of our forefathers. 10-20 years from now our reputation will be that of college educated vaginas.

Truth hurts, and Im not to proud of it myself, but this is what Chicago wants, and has been sued to get.

6/17/2011 01:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I could careless who gets away or who gets caught, unless it involves a police officer being hurt or killed. I'm a former accountant now in my 13th year as a police officer and if my former boss told me that I've been doing too much math, and I should really try to stay away from it do you think I would get emotional or angry? F@ck no! This isn't a movie I've never met a one man wrecking crew on this job you're not changing a damn thing, who cares??? Dont want pursuits? Fine with me....

6/17/2011 01:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In this current political environment of "anti-police" liberal haters attacking us, our pensions, our salaries, etc., anyone who chases anyone for anything (including foot!) IS A FOOL!
When you're down at the Dirkson building having your house and pensions taken from you, remember that cool chase (just following squad!) you bragged about!
Fk these mutts, this job, this NEW MIDGET mayor and the rest of the hating media and liberals. Give them exactly what they wanted! WOW, they showed us! LMAO!!
When this fkn place is the next Detroit, I'll be laughing my ass off from my retirement state that don't tax my pension! :)

6/17/2011 02:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Commander LS of GEU was trying to blame Roti and Patterson for us being in our black pajamas, but we all knew it was his decision. LS has his head so far up McLiar's ass that he has pushed it all the way back to New Jersey. CPD is run by liars and cowards and political hacks. Fuck all of them!

6/17/2011 02:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The answer is simple DO NOT CHASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It is not worth it, they will wash there hands of you if the offender piles up. Guess who will be i court YOU not the exempt goof who you think will back you up.

The only reason one should chase is if they harmed you, your family or another Police Officer, then chase until the wheels fall off, or if your JFLED'S meritorious promoted idiot driver in 015 just terminate the chase and then try to get the P.O. to change the pursuit form.

6/17/2011 02:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What is a "pur-suit " ??

6/17/2011 03:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am still amazed that Chief RIVERA is still a Chief in Internal Affairs!!!!!!!!!! and do not forget Jodi Weis's friend Commander KLIMAS of Internal Affairs F.B.I. pension and makes a nice salary of $$$$$160.000 for doing what?

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Why are you amazed that Chief RIVERA is still a Chief in Internal Affairs??? Chief Rivera is one of the best bosses left on this job. He is still the working police even though he is in IAD. Not sure what your beef is with Rivera, but take a chill pill dude. Being Chief of IAD is a pretty crappy job, but Rivera has done a great job despite the hangups he runs into with other bosses on this job.

Rivera is and continues to be one of the best bosses on the job...

6/17/2011 03:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

******Missing Persons Alert********

Where in the world is Steve Georgas? I heard he took a sooner than scheduled furlough; are his days numbered since the units he commands were "obliterated?" Why does he still have a staff of full-duty officers that grab his lunches?

Next, why are Ryan and Roussell* still commanders since their units were "obliterated?" Oh yeah, this is CHI were clout rains supreme, maybe they're taking turns supervising themselves.

Why is it that we have full-duty police officers working as photographers in graphic? Their no Ansel Adams! What about hiring some Columbia College grads for this work? It only makes sense.

Lastly, why does the Superintendent have two Sgts. in-charge of the so-called "Executive Training Development Program?" These Sgts. should be on the street, yes, even merit LS.

GMAC shows us you have the moral fortitude and "balls" to buck the old system and the clout hacks!

6/17/2011 03:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
In 1996, I came back from a training class on the new order regarding the chase policy. I sincerely addressed roll call, explained the policy, then realized what I was saying.

I told the guys (yes, all guys at the time), "basically, don't chase. They won't back us up, so don't chase." Now, I have to admit, I've been in a couple of chases since, but we have to realize the Dept is a political and economic entity; it doesn't care if we catch the bad guys. Only WE care if we catch the bad guys.

Don't risk the house, the dog and the car. And, these days, I'd have to add, your own personal freedom. Tahoe or no Tahoe.

6/17/2011 12:35:00 AM

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

With that above being said and all the other commnets on "No Chase"...

Why hasn't anyone taken into consideration how dangerous the Tahoe is for GOING to a 1A call or Assist Police....10-1 ...too!

In other words we can't chase but has anyone ever seen coppers "Fly" to these calls in progress in these things?

Matter of fact some REAL BAD accidents occur more often going to jobs than in chases.

For casually patroling and going to the goofy paper job or doing our FOCUS Missions or whatever other bullshit tasks we do at under 30mph...the Tahoe is nice to ride in (except for no cup holders).

3 bars

6/17/2011 03:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Loosing two coppers in a crash that was caused because of the tahoe is a good reason."
**************

Ehhhh.... I wasn't there so I can't speak from experience, but you can pretty much bet the Tahoe didn't give a smug little chuckle and then flip into the air on it's own laughing all the way.

Those cops DROVE that Tahoe into the accidents, nothing else.

Other than the 2 alleged pals that have died in auto accidents, how many actual Tahoe chases went on without a cop killing themselves.

It's a bullshit excuse to curtail chases so the city doesn't get sued.

The excuse that a cop could get hurt is pure bullshit because we get hurt every fuckin' day doing everything else BUT drive on this fuckin' job.

It's a load of bullshit and it's a coverup for the real reason why. It costs money when Chicago get's sued for ANY accident that happens from a chase.

Period.

6/17/2011 04:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Blame uncle Terry for tac being in uniforms. Another political hack that should never been the supernintendo.

6/17/2011 12:29:00 AM


FUCK YOU Ernie Brown! You coward!

6/17/2011 04:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Man, after reading through this comment section it's painfully obvious McCheese has his little think tank shilling for him here on the blog.

Are we really going to have to endure all the "atta boy" comments from his friends and family SCC?

6/17/2011 04:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"10-20 years from now our reputation will be that of college educated vaginas."




No truer words have been spoken.

Amen

6/17/2011 04:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jeans or no jeans the Area Gun teams can't wait to do dispersals at the city's beaches. Just need some baywatch beauties. Every night a 2200 the teams will be patroling the beaches, they just need someone to supply them the red swim suits

6/17/2011 04:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well putting the plain clothes coppers back in plain clothes is certainly going to fuck-up this illusion of having more coppers on the street now isn't it?

Be careful guys/gals.

There's more than one state on the east coast currently being investigated by the Fed's for their cities police force overstepping the constitution rights of the people.

6/17/2011 04:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There is no such thing as the real police any more... We have more freaking rules and orders to follow it's not worth it trying to be one. It is not our fault, it's the department and the rest of political hacks who tell you what's really up. YOU are just a paper car = customer service associate! This is what they prefer for you to do well... If you work in a busy district, God speed to you!

6/17/2011 04:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What is a "pur-suit " ??

6/17/2011 03:22:00 PM

Something we did in the olden days.

6/17/2011 05:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Blame uncle Terry for tac being in uniforms. Another political hack that should never been the supernintendo.

He took a bullet for the team, so when you have sacraficed as much then you can open your mouth.

6/17/2011 07:09:00 AM

So did I, make me super. Oh wait, I can even get a good spot because Im white and unclouted. Instead I will open my mouth and concur with the OP.

6/17/2011 06:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You mean Leo is still around? Big Merit Goof.

6/17/2011 06:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There's not much need for Tact Teams to be in Civilian Dress anyway, except on specific Missions directed by their Sgt's, and approved by their Lt's and D/C. Otherwise, Uniformed patrol is the way to go, especially if in marked Squad cars. Tact is pretty much an outdayed concept, with all the SWAT, Narcotics, and other specialized Units the Department now has...

6/17/2011 11:16:00 AM

They have aways had Narcotics, Gangs, and SWAT/HBT. Guess what? They still had tact in plain clothes. Your argument shows how fucking stupid you are. Also SWAT has nothing to do with TACT shit except search warrants.

6/17/2011 06:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OT. Hey Hennt Penny was in 012 today. A good source told me Henny was out of uniform again. Seems the good for nothing captain was wearing her "gold star" as oppose to her captain star.

6/17/2011 06:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Us E.T.;s will take the Tahoe's. We could use them for carrying all our gear and would be a major upgrade from the horse drawn chariot's that we drive now. It would be nice to actually have a computer thats functioning (most of the time) along with good AC and a car that doesn't have all the paint falling off of it. Please Mr. Superintendent, please, pretty please with sugar on it.....Winston Wolf.

6/17/2011 06:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

With gas prices so high why did the city even buy these gas guzzlers? Somebody got a sweet contract. Safety concerns about these cars should have been brought to someones attention before putting them on the street. What a waste of money....and gas!

6/17/2011 06:41:00 PM  
Anonymous uuuuuright said...

so far, this guy is the real deal. hope he is able to stick around for awhile

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Hoo HOO and Ha Ha! Is you funny!

Let's check dat record. He say he believe the president and everything his goverment tell him. Hmmmmmm that seem wrong. He say I like father Flagger and went to his church and jumped up and down like he got the spirts in him and den say NRA don't like him. Huh? Flagger hate da man NRA like poleeces,dat a strange ting too say. Almost first ting he do was strip da officer who was breakin up a domestic and had too shoot da fool. He made empty trets to dem gangs like dat fbi man everyone like so much.He says the heat shut down the beech. Dat's when you go to beech ain't it? Ain't no mob's of boys beatin yo ass for that phone, u mistaken he says. When dat new mayor say something he says yeah boss uuuuright, dats the same ting all dem ones for him said to,don't seem like dat did anyone much good.

Yeah he da real dealio.Uuuuuright, blue jeans and hoodies for you and dat makes it all cool. We gots some stupid ass motherf(%$&*7*% on dis here job. You make sure when he tell you to roll on dem corner boys ta do it, and den tell your dumb ass he be standing wit you in dat fbi man's courthouse downtown. OOOOOOOWEEEE you funny man!!

6/17/2011 06:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's a well known fact that SUV's are prone to rollover. How can the person who made the decision to buy these still have a job?

6/17/2011 09:19:00 AM

Apparently he doesn't. Remember J-Puds claim to fame... I got you guys Tahoes and rifles. BFD douche bag. Good riddance

6/17/2011 08:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OT. Hey Hennt Penny was in 012 today. A good source told me Henny was out of uniform again. Seems the good for nothing captain was wearing her "gold star" as oppose to her captain star.

6/17/2011 06:17:00 PM

She is an inspector, so hence the gold star.

6/17/2011 08:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Inspector USELESS Penny said...

OT. Hey Henny Penny was in 012 today. A good source told me Henny was out of uniform again. Seems the good for nothing captain was wearing her "gold star" as oppose to her captain star.

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She is an inspector.

Gold "Inspector" star (NOT exempt)..
no emblems on collar ...
take home car...
Captains pay only.

If she tries to write you up just walk away from her and say nothing to her.

Don't show that bitch no respect.

6/17/2011 08:26:00 PM  
Anonymous eeeeeasy hair gel said...

ok. can my gun still be used in a shooting? Can I still use my tazer to taze? Jesus Pete, will the stupidity ever end??

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slow down kid...
just pop another DVD in the box an' chill.

6/17/2011 08:30:00 PM  
Anonymous The Box Chevy Phantom said...

Re: Tahoes...

A big rolling billboard that screams "look! Da Po-leece!"

Nothing but a bullshit show to give the feeb illusion of "high visibility" in an era of CPD being starved to death of adequate manpower.

Nice to have the room but at @6500lbs, top heavy, bad front to rear weight distribution, over-powered (Chevy and Mopar at least haven't forgotten how to make stout small block v8's unlike the late & wheezy ford 4.6) and WAAAYYYY under-braked, tippy when hit hard at a bad angle, we're actually surprised more coppers haven't been hurt in these them.

Speaking of vehicles...

What happened to j-fled's sled?

Did it "disappear" so the ballistic inserts could be pulled out the doors and bullet resistant film peeled from the windows?

(Betcha that pussy had all that and then some on that Expedition)

We've always said front line Patrol vehicles should have harder & thicker skin to at least allow coppers under fire to do a "strategic redeployment."

6/17/2011 08:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Off topic but nothing has been mentioned about James Jackson retirement. Great guy and the real police, Weis wouldn't allow him to be the first deputy because Masters had that role but I think a thread should be created, anyone that ever worked for this guy knows that there isn't many bosses on this job like him anymore and that is unfortunate.

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How true. I know he has been knocked by many, but we lost another good boss. He was a person who was down to Earth and alway said hello and shook hands with the blue shirts. He listened to the anger when J-Fled was in and agreed with much of it. Sad that he was not allowed to have a say with J-Fled and tossed out under G-Mack. He may have not been eloquent, but I and many others would have gone to battle for Jackson. One thing he knew was how screwed up CPD is and would have helped change it for the better if allowed. Let's just get rid of the few knowledgable bosses left after J-Fled. Fuck it, let the city burn. As long as there is the 1st and 16th, fuck everything else.

6/17/2011 09:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

off topic. Humboldt Park chaos!!! Just heard over the zone ten ones being called in 014 and on the citywide. were in 010 and they are sending our tact teams, mission teams and rapids over.

6/17/2011 09:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

but we have to realize the Dept is a political and economic entity; it doesn't care if we catch the bad guys. Only WE care if we catch the bad guys.

As a citizen I,would agree.Fuckin shame this it was it has come to.

6/17/2011 09:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
95% of vehicle pursuits are traffic related anyway, call for Air 1. Save yourself from being trickbagged & all the headaches that go w/ the post chase scrutiny
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A great idea is have PH1 and PH2 replaced with fully armed Apache helicopters. We wouldn't need to chase. Squad, this is PH1. The vehicle that fled has been destroyed. Foot chase, offender taken out with guns by helicopter. Crime could be reduced in weeks. Gang problems in an area, take out the whole block. Tanks and Apaches, safest city in the world.

6/17/2011 09:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

@ 6/17/2011 12:06:00 AM

Simply put?

A real Police Officer.

6/17/2011 09:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So dude kills a copper, car is spotted with dude, I'm in a Tahoe, and I'm supposed to just sit there with my thumb up my ass. You know what, just fucking take our guns away while you're at it too.

6/17/2011 07:19:00 AM

Careful !!! They took your billyclubs,flashlites,squad cars and partners.You have a camera now--u dont need no fucking gun..

6/17/2011 09:40:00 PM  
Blogger Working Man said...

it has been a while since we had someone that actually knows what it is to be the police, and cares about the people he supervises... finally some CHANGE I BELIVE IN

6/17/2011 01:37:00 AM
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Really??? I suggest you watch the moron "preaching" to the people at St. Sabina's 2 weeks ago. Any little hope I had for this guy had vanished when I watched the clip.
HE'S AN IDIOT!!!!

6/17/2011 09:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is fucking hilarious all the Tact team wonder cheering that they get to put the jeans back on. I know you will again be invisible on the street in your unmarked cars. HAHAHAHAHAHA. You are true asshats. You might as well spray paint unmarked police car on the side. The fucking bad guys may be alot of things, but they sure as hell know the police from a mile away marked or unmarked. The only civilian dressed that have an advantage are the units with covert cars. Oh sorry, I forgot. NOW you can call for a car to do paper, You are too busy getting a dime bag, rock or a DOPW. What would we do without you guys. HAHAHAHAHA,

6/17/2011 09:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To 6/17/2011 06:49:00 PM

Greatest post I've read in a long time. You are my hero. U is da man.

6/17/2011 09:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The old school police are few and far between. Now all we are is the warm, fuzzy, poitically correct police. As they enter the academy the all knowing college edunacated police leave their balls at the entrance. You may get them back at retirement. New order will be nerf sticks, no more pistols. You will carry flowers in your holster. We will have to ask an offenders permission to arrest them. Last but not least we will hand out cards where every person we come in contact with, cards where they can leave comments about the service and how they were treated. Well time to go. We are going to hold hands with the revruns, sing KUMBAYA and picket the NRA.

6/17/2011 10:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you find yourself in a high speed chase, remember to tell yourself that you are an idiot!!!



As a citizen my question is regarding that guy who you will not chase

What if this subject just killed two policeman in an alley and it has not been put out over the air yet ?

Say an 8/10/12 year old has been kidnapped and in the trunk ?

Lets say a trunk full of explosives,being delivered for a terrorist attack ?

What the fuck,serve and protect but only if convenient?

6/17/2011 10:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
What is a "pur-suit " ??

6/17/2011 03:22:00 PM

A well dressed Cat.

6/17/2011 10:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I worked tact and I can tell you there really is no valid reason why tact should be in plain clothes. The majority of the arrest are at regular district level and doesn't require any special under cover work. I'm all for everybody being in uniform, in marked car, other than narcotics, vice, ocd, detectives..units like that. Dime bags, reckless conduct, even a regular gun pinch dosent require plain clothes.

6/17/2011 11:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is fucking hilarious all the Tact team wonder cheering that they get to put the jeans back on. I know you will again be invisible on the street in your unmarked cars. HAHAHAHAHAHA. You are true asshats. You might as well spray paint unmarked police car on the side. The fucking bad guys may be alot of things, but they sure as hell know the police from a mile away marked or unmarked. The only civilian dressed that have an advantage are the units with covert cars. Oh sorry, I forgot. NOW you can call for a car to do paper, You are too busy getting a dime bag, rock or a DOPW. What would we do without you guys. HAHAHAHAHA,

Hey hater...chill. Most of us realize that patrol works a whole hell of a lot harder then those of us on tact/gangs. No doubt. However, the shit heads we deal with treat us a little better because they know our sole job is to lock them up. Sorry if you couldnt get on a team. Dont punish us all. Arent we all brothers and sisters?

6/17/2011 11:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Hey, I'm Just Sayin, said...

Anonymous said...
It's a well known fact that SUV's are prone to rollover. How can the person who made the decision to buy these still have a job?

6/17/2011 09:19:00 AM


I guess you don't read so much.

This is from June 9, 2011:


SUVs Now LEAST LIKELY For Rollover Crashes

NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- Once feared for their dangerous rollover tendencies, high-riding SUVs are now much less likely to be involved in the deadly crashes than ordinary cars.

http://money.cnn.com/2011/06/09/autos/suv_
rollover/index.htm

6/17/2011 11:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Everyone is watching and waiting BOSS!

well here is the new Mccartheism's:
-there are no more homocide's now they are just shootings.
-there are no more flash mobs they are just multiple offender incidents.
-there no more chases they are just vehicles speeding with each other

boss, are we in denial mode already, or did you give up already?

6/17/2011 11:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As a citizen my question is regarding that guy who you will not chase

What if this subject just killed two policeman in an alley and it has not been put out over the air yet ?

Say an 8/10/12 year old has been kidnapped and in the trunk ?

Lets say a trunk full of explosives,being delivered for a terrorist attack ?

What the fuck,serve and protect but only if convenient?

6/17/2011 10:10:00 PM



putting together your 'to do' list for the summer?

6/18/2011 12:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I worked tact and I can tell you there really is no valid reason why tact should be in plain clothes. The majority of the arrest are at regular district level and doesn't require any special under cover work. I'm all for everybody being in uniform, in marked car, other than narcotics, vice, ocd, detectives..units like that. Dime bags, reckless conduct, even a regular gun pinch dosent require plain clothes-
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maybe you and many others are not doing your assignment and job right . ever think about that? taking the easy way out etc..

6/18/2011 12:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"...a crash that was caused because of the tahoe is a good reason."


Driving is one of the most dangerous aspects of this job, but the crashes weren't caused by the Tahoe; they were the result of a lack of training by CPD.

A "Streaming Video" just isn't the same as actually getting behind the wheel and doing police driving in one of these vehicles.

6/18/2011 12:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is fucking hilarious all the Tact team wonder cheering that they get to put the jeans back on. I know you will again be invisible on the street in your unmarked cars. HAHAHAHAHAHA. You are true asshats. You might as well spray paint unmarked police car on the side. The fucking bad guys may be alot of things, but they sure as hell know the police from a mile away marked or unmarked. The only civilian dressed that have an advantage are the units with covert cars. Oh sorry, I forgot. NOW you can call for a car to do paper, You are too busy getting a dime bag, rock or a DOPW. What would we do without you guys. HAHAHAHAHA,


ummmm ok. Im actually a very nice guy and get along great with almost all of the guys on the watch. Clearly your a bitter bitter person who has some problem with tact guys. Now since they are in CD you hate to see that because why???? I really have no idea. I could care less if im in cd or uniform while on tact. but since you care so much and have such a big problem then I must say f*ck you... Go write your paper all night long(or dodge jobs at all costs) and go home to your miserable, bitter life. Your hangups on tact teams are a little disturbing. Im sure you do zero work, bitch about everything under the sun at roll call and check off, you check off with all zeros, tell all the young guys how you use to go out and do it all and youve been there and done that but not anymore... your pathetic, go in your mothers basement... Or your own basement because your wife doesnt even like sleeping with you anymore and keep telling yourself how awesome you are and everyone else in the department that works somewhere besides your beat car is worthless. you mutt

6/18/2011 12:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Everyone is watching and waiting BOSS!

well here is the new Mccartheism's:
-there are no more homocide's now they are just shootings.
-there are no more flash mobs they are just multiple offender incidents.
-there no more chases they are just vehicles speeding with each other

boss, are we in denial mode already, or did you give up already?

6/17/2011 11:25:00 PM

And, today he announced there is no reason to arrest the drug dealer on the corner because it causes more crime; two new dealers will replace him, so we shouldn't be bothering with him.

Is this guy punking us? It's the only reason I can think of for a new superintendent to behave this way. Last week, Pf-flyer's church, this week, legalize drugs and don't arrest the dealers. Next week? Ah, hell, it's invite a terrorist on a picnic week.

6/18/2011 12:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As a citizen my question is regarding that guy who you will not chase

What if this subject just killed two policeman in an alley and it has not been put out over the air yet ?

Say an 8/10/12 year old has been kidnapped and in the trunk ?

Lets say a trunk full of explosives,being delivered for a terrorist attack ?

What the fuck,serve and protect but only if convenient?

6/17/2011 10:10:00 PM

Mr. Citizen, I'm so sorry, but maybe no one told you they do not issue us PSYCHIC ABILITIES when they pin the star on.
We love to chase. We are not ALLOWED to chase, except in very limited and specific circumstances.
I'm not giving away any secrets here; the shit on the street knows it. Apparently, only the law-abiding citizens like you, don't.

And if we are stupid enough to forget the rules, some sleaze attorney will happily remind us as they come after our home, car, bank account and favorite pet.

6/18/2011 12:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Finally, the real police can get back to working the street.
Thanks Big Mac.

You should have been the real Police all along, jeans or no jeans !

6/18/2011 04:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

All u guys sayin McCarthy is the real deal have not watched his sermon at St. Sabina...click below then decide....forward to 62 minute marker


http://www.saintsabina.org/index.php?option=com_wrapper&view=wrapper&Itemid=239

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WOW! Wanted to give this guy a chance, but that is just fucking ridiculous. That whole bullshit was just fucking sad. Gonna be a long couple of years.

6/18/2011 04:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To those who took the time to make a comment in regards to P.O."S making a decision in no time flat usually as to how slow or fast they will drive, maybe you need to get off your "high horse" & be glad nothing has happened to you. This city is in the sad state of affairs that it is because being the real police was becoming unfavorable to liberals, certain politicians etc.Therefore the way we handle things now benefit the criminals. I'm a senior citizen in this city & every time I hear those sirens or see those lights, I say a prayer for the officers safety & another to God for making such a cop who just wants to do the right thing. Now be glad you are alive & or not injured & keep your beliefs to yourself. If your ideas of policing are not quite as aggressive & you feel comfortable with your actions, so be it. But don't talk trash about "The Real True Blue." God bless all of you.

6/18/2011 04:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

tact back in blue jeans , a short day with a long lunch , new boss doesn't have a clue , put tact in beat cars , beat car 1 man , tact 2 or 3 man for what , bag of dope arrest , new york , new york

we want phil back

6/18/2011 10:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Finally, the real police can get back to working the street. Thanks Big Mac


Really, if you believe this you're an idiot. Do you honestly think being in plain clothes changes anything. It's not like you're driving something other than a squad car, marked or not. They can still see you coming. When you get three years on the job post comments otherwise please refrain from stupidity. You're making everyone else look stupid. Please stop.

6/18/2011 03:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mr. Citizen, I'm so sorry, but maybe no one told you they do not issue us PSYCHIC ABILITIES when they pin the star on.
We love to chase. We are not ALLOWED to chase, except in very limited and specific circumstances.


My comment was directed at your bosses,I know you love the chase,your policy and rules imposed by the higher ups SUCKS !!!A few more rules and the CPD is gona finish second in every fight.

And dont be yelling at the citizens,we pay your salary!!!!






Just kiddin.....

6/18/2011 03:35:00 PM  
Blogger sharky said...

As a citizen my question is regarding that guy who you will not chase

What if this subject just killed two policeman in an alley and it has not been put out over the air yet ?

Say an 8/10/12 year old has been kidnapped and in the trunk ?

Lets say a trunk full of explosives,being delivered for a terrorist attack ?

What the fuck,serve and protect but only if convenient?

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Mr Citizen,
Your scenarios are all good reasons to chase, with one caveat, and I mean a really BIG one: We must know these facts before chasing.
God forbid 2 P.O.'s shot and we don't know about it, but if we dont know about it, we cannot chase.
The kids locked in the trunk
of a car: do we know yet that kids were in fact kidnapped, what is description of car? If not, we cannot chase.
A trunk full of explosives being delivered for a terrorist attack: What is description of car, do we know this before beginning chase, how do we know explosives are in the car, how do we know what kind of explosives are in the car, how do we know the intent of the people in the car even if there are explosives in the car, where is this information coming from, and how reliable is it?
These are all angles which we must process instantaneously in order to decide whether or not to chase a vehicle, in the three circumstances you outlined. Any one of those reasons fall through, and the officer will be in court being sued. That is why you are getting the sarcastic responses to your question.
Trust me, there are very few people in this world who can think clearly in the life threatening situation of a car chase, processing those ideas at a fast enough rate to have an effect. The Cook Co court system and unscrupulous lawyers have had a debilitating effect on our ability to chase, affecting department policy to the point of crippling our ability to chase even when warranted.
Sorry for the length, but as a long time blog follower on the serious side, you needed to see things from a different angle.

6/19/2011 07:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The wicked flee when no one pursues, but the righteous are bold as a lion. [Proverbs 28:1]"

6/25/2011 06:20:00 AM  

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