Friday, July 29, 2011

Hey Sun Times? Up Yours

  • The number of shootings by police this year, as detailed by Chicago Sun-Times reporter Frank Main, is disturbing. And we know there will always be cops who are too quick to pull the trigger.
Really? Can the Slum Times cite an example this year of cops being too quick to pull the trigger? As we recall, at least 40 out of 41 shootings have been with armed subjects. And it's been literally years since a Chicago Police shooting has been found to be unjustified by IPRA, OPS, the Department, the Police Board and by any court in the area.

What should be disturbing is the doubling of attacks on police from 2001 to 2011. Almost 2,000 attacks a year on the very people tasked with keeping society safe. We won't even mention the neighborhoods where 80-90% of these attacks occur because the Slum Times readers might be offended by something resembling the truth.

We detect the unseen hand of Mope-rah as this tracks with her typical anti-police agenda and she sits on the Slum Times editorial Board and happens to have people shot on her block every month or two. That's probably the fault of the police, too.

How about an appearance by Pat Camden rebutting this slanted, biased and ridiculous attack on law enforcement? Stuff like this should be countered as soon as it hits the streets.



Anonymous Anonymous said...

rah rah speech for gang enforcement today.. Not going anywhere per superintendent who was there and spoke to all in attendence.. Said he loves what we do and we are the best at what we do... He did mention the vest under the shirt topic and said he is NOT a fan of the outer vests.

7/28/2011 06:17:00 PM

Funny when I saw him on the street tonight with Leo Schmitz, he liked the outer vest carrier enough to be wearing it.

7/29/2011 12:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Supt. McCarthy, if you or any of your office reads this Blog, or this comment (I’m sure they do) Ask the “community” that’s crying THIS QUESTION:

My question is WHERE IN THE FUCK WERE ALL OF THESE PEOPLE LAST YEAR WHEN 5 OF OUR OFFICERS WERE KILLED? Were they all up in arms about people in their community killing us? Did they do anything to stop the violence last year? Did they even care?

I’ll bet not.

Go ahead, Boss, Ask them the question. That should shut them up pretty quick.

7/29/2011 12:52:00 AM  
Blogger Phil Schitz here said...

Pat Camden, we need to hear you!

7/29/2011 01:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who needs Pat Camden,the fop was silent after last sundays story but a po named barber was not,check out his letter to the editor in tue. 26 jul 11,he responds to the story and does what the fop should have,he defends the dept.,SCC post a link to the article or the article itself,barber says what 10000 of us think,and hes right on the money.

7/29/2011 01:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well said. Totally agree!

7/29/2011 01:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The number of shootings by police this year, as detailed by Chicago Sun-Times reporter Frank Main, is disturbing.

No argument from any sensible person. The number of police shootings is indicative of the level of violence and disrespect out there on the streets. Not just toward the police, but everyone.

And we know there will always be cops who are too quick to pull the trigger.

Better to be a little too quick than just a little bit slow.

Does the Police Academy still have that video firearms training system? I would love to run some of the anti-police media types through it.

I remember on TV about 25 years ago there was a show where the liberal types were run through the video firearms training scenarios.

All were selected for their belief that the police were trigger happy. When they went through the scenarios, they blasted everything that moved. Then their performance was evaluated by a police investigator. When the libs' shootings were outside of policy and the law, they were told "You will be fired, indicted and go to jail." Ran them through again, now they are scared. Most ended up dead. All had different opinions of the police.

7/29/2011 01:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Pat Camden works for the FOP, not us.

Remember that, SCC.

7/29/2011 01:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

this was addressed by po barber and not the fop,my question is why the fop didn't address this the next day?it was clear the sun times was attacking the dept.,again, and a po with balls defends us and not our union?

7/29/2011 01:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In fairness the rest of the editorial is very pro police. Small consolation, I know.

That being said I don't recall a "bad" police shooting in Chicago in recent years. "Bad" meaning unjustified.

Truly unjustified police shootings in Chicago or elsewhere are thankfully rare things. Of course perhaps I'm wrong. Some people felt shooting that four legged cougar in Roscoe Village a few summers back was wrong.

Some people believe police should have to "take fire" before firing their own weapons. I call those people dumbasses, but that's just me.

Whether it's luck, training or something in the culture of the department we just haven't had the type of situations like the NYPD has had where unarmed men are shot dozens of times by multiple officers.

We did have the shooting at the 95th Street Red Line station, but that was at least 7 years ago.

It can't be because we have less violence than NYC. Our murder rate is nearly three times there murder rate.

7/29/2011 01:56:00 AM  
Anonymous SHOE said...

Haven't read the Izvestia-Tribune or the Pravda-Times in years.
Try the following websites for a breath of fresh air in reporting. Some are a little to the left or right of the political spectrum, but I guarantee not the same tired, old, re-hashed shit from Chicago's " Premier " newspapers that even my parrot won't shit on. And even better, it's free!
National Review
American Thinker
The Hill ( Political news from Washington DC)
Hot Air ( Political commentary )
Red State (Political commentary )
Washington Post
Washington Time's

7/29/2011 02:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Frank Main is hooked up with every commie police-hating group, i.e.; Peoples Law Office, Loevy & Loevy and assorted others. This asshole and his female cohort are two of the most biased reporters. I have cancelled subscriptions of the Scum Times, Fibune and WTTW because of their connection to these assholes. I liked stories WTTW featured on Chicago history but as soon as they put that Bitch on Chicago Tonight, I told the solicitors for the station to lose my number.

7/29/2011 02:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If possible the FOP should file a class action suit, on behalf of all CPD officers,against the Sun-Times for slander and defamation.

7/29/2011 04:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As the number of shootings and homicides in the city rise to challenge the old numbers to the point that we no longer can say violent crime is fallen, we must shift our attention now and point to the police as the cause of our violent crime problems.

Don't you see?

We can't point to an increase in homicides in the headlines in this city. Why that's bad for business. That's bad for tourism. How are you going to attract money and sell advertisements like that. I

Pull out the so-called university professor criminology expert that explains that the police are just too aggressive and that the gangs are too entrenched. Yeah that's it. Crime is rising because the police are being overaggressive...ha..

This aggression breeds a sense of hopelessness so say the expert, and the gang members feeling that they are just going to get shot sooner or later anyway will go HAM on everyone.

Therefore, society should just back off... because... you know... it's like trying to lock the barn door after the horses got out right?

How dare you try to invade the zones of impunity in this sanctuary city !

Nice try but we're not buying the diversion.

Crime is on the rise because the economy sucks and it's going to get worse.

You know I think that if the Sun Times is under the belief that these honor roll students don't know how to interact with the police and that's the core problem, then the Sun Times should do the community a service and show us how it's done by holding workshops teaching these kids how to respond to authority.

Which district should they hit first? How about the 7th?

7/29/2011 05:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

41 shootings and at least 9,000 Officers on the street. How does this relate to "cops being too quick to pull the trigger".

"Almost 2,000 attacks a year on the very people tasked with keeping society safe." Still only 41 shot.

Seems too me that the majority have a lot of self control. But given the circumstances you have to do whatever it takes to go home to your family.

Many instances of guns being drawn, but no shots fired.

7/29/2011 07:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Link to the PO Barber letter to Scum Times

7/29/2011 07:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Classes on how to respond to authority? I like my assholes to be just that! assholes!! That way I know who they are. To teach idiots to "con " the police could cause you your life.

7/29/2011 08:50:00 AM  
Anonymous bobbo said...

Uh, what is the general makeup of the Scumtimes readers? You'll see the way their reporting goes...

7/29/2011 08:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There will always be Sun Times reporters too quick with the pen... WTF Sun Times it cuts both ways?

7/29/2011 08:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And the good news is that most of the reader comments basically told him he is full of shit and that CPD does a great job. They are supporting the street coppers not the media. Of course you have the typical half educated ghetto rats who will continue to post negative comments, but by far the majority were pro CPD. This alone is a huge change in what I have seen from the public. They are getting fed up with these shit heads too.

7/29/2011 09:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

From the Sun-Times 'Letters to The Editor'

More Thugs Lead To More Cop Shootings
July 25, 2011 10:50PM

Updated: July 26, 2011 5:42PM

Cop shootings are on the rise in 2011 and Sun-Times reporter Frank Main asks why [“Shootings by Chicago cops soar — but why?” Sunday]?

That’s an easy question for a civilian who uses a computer for his job and doesn’t wear a bulletproof vest and carry a semi-automatic weapon.

My job is the preservation of life and property. As a member of the Chicago Police Department for 15 years, one reason shootings are up is the thugs/gangbangers don’t care and have no fear of the police along with no respect for themselves or anybody else. They have become more brazen, from carjackings to armed robberies to drive-by shootings.

When the police are called and we do our job and make an arrest and it leads to a police shooting, all you see on the news or in the paper is the one or two misinformed fools who say the police overreacted or the bad guy didn’t have a gun.

These are the same people who were never on the scene and just heard about what happened.

There were almost 2,000 assaults and batteries on police officers last year — more than double from 10 years ago.

Illana Rosenzweig, director of the Independent Police Review Authority, said it could be police training or police policy. Another civilian who has no idea what it takes to do this job, just like CeaseFire Director Tio Hardiman, a civilian who has no clue what it takes to be a police officer. Mr. Hardiman says we have a “license to kill” mind-set. What a foolish statement from a man who sees first hand that these thugs don’t care and have no respect for anyone.

Mr. Hardiman also said young people don’t have any training on how to deal with the police. Do these thugs have parents? I thought respect was taught at home.

Have you noticed no Chicago police officers have been charged with criminal wrongdoing involving shootings? I’m sure it’s because of our training and policy.

We police are the line between anarchy and chaos, and when the line is crossed, we will do our job.

Richard Barber,

Mount Greenwood

7/29/2011 09:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


more shouting of "Fire" in a crowded theater

go after these loud mouths and go hard

where is our spokesman?

7/29/2011 10:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Frank Main is a hack and anyone who thinks this guy has any cops back on this job has to be a crackhead. This guy is your friend as much as the Loevy brothers would be invited guests to Thanksgiving at your house. You would have to be a complete idiot to talk to him and several cops have done so before and it never worked out well. There is always a knife in the back.

7/29/2011 10:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

as 1030am 29jul11 still no response from fop, WTF could you say something to defend us,if not the po who sent the letter will im sure

7/29/2011 10:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't buy the times. I would like to know what this reporter, who should report only the facts and not his opinion, used to base his opinion on? His gut? Some statistics that are floating around? Is he generalizing? Sad bullshit that should not be printed. I retired some years ago and I learned early on never to talk to a reporter, period. Most of them are lying scum who will twist things for a good headline.

7/29/2011 10:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Two words-economic boycott! Ensure that you and your's never buy that rag again. Take the time to send a letter, or an email, to the advertisers in the Sun-Times detailing your displeasure with the false and provocative editorial content contained therein and stop buying the products advertised. If the owners of the Sun-Times know anything, they know about money. Lets give them a little less money to know about!

M. Bazarek 013

7/29/2011 11:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Action is always faster than reaction unless your GOD. If you see the barrel of that weapon you are technically already to late and could have been shot. People don't realize that. So if I see anything that resembles a weapon that does bodily harm trying to be deployed amongst obvious shouting commands, foot chases , or any damn resistance it's on. You don't have a choice if you value your life as a po. Let's keep going home to the people that matter to us and that we matter. Haters of police believe we are expendable doormats fuck them!

7/29/2011 01:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Last night in 008 two officers on viewed an armed robbery. They observed victim with hand in the air and offender pointing a gun to victims head. After a foot pursuit offender captured. The victims were genuine people and offender typical black pants withe t-shirt scum-bag. Police could have shot him after he refused to drop weapon and ran, but they did not. This example of police restraint happens every day in our city. The media never sees the 100s of examples of pure restraint they only see when we cant and turn it into something it isnt,

7/29/2011 01:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Scum Times says the cops are shooting too many of the ghetto rats??? I think you need to shoot more of them, shoot to kill!!! This scum don't want to get shot, it's simple, don't shoot at the cops, Do not run from the cops, Chris Rock told them that a long time ago. "You run from the cops they will come after you and the are bringing an ass kickin with them" Good Hunting CPD

7/29/2011 02:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In a life or death situation on the street there are only two kinds of people: the quick and the dead. It is better to be quick and judged by twelve than dead and carried by six.

7/29/2011 02:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"And we know there will always be cops who are too quick to pull the trigger."


and we all used to know cops that were too SLOW to pull the trigger ... they're dead now, but we knew them .....

7/29/2011 03:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

By the amount of shootings, actually, the ghetto is trigger happy! If indeed we were trigger happy, we would shoot endless numbers of ghetto rats on a daily basis. FU FRANK MAIN!!!!

7/29/2011 04:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Spotted in 023...

Crossing Guard writing Meter Tickets and Street Cleaning.

WTF is going on in 023?

7/29/2011 04:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What do you expect from the Communist - Owned and operated Chicago News Media?

7/29/2011 04:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Remember your 2% Raise. Until you ALL get that thru your thick fuckin Skulls, and STICK together, the City, the Dept Administration; and the News Media CAN and WILL kick you around like an OLD SOCCER BALL. Get together, get some guts, don't take any shit, and stand together strong, or else, DON'T expect ANYTHING different to happen.

Old retired revolver Cop

7/29/2011 04:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's not that Camden couldn't give ALL the facts to refute this slanted, biased and ridiculous attack on law enforcement.
All 'anyone' had to do was... STATE THE FACTS!
The REAL question is, 'Who Would Publish Those Facts?'
Let's put the blame where it really belongs, brothers and sisters.

7/29/2011 04:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My God! Ch. 5 news had a horrible story about the revruns saying we are too afraid to do our jobs so we shoot people!

OMG the Sun-Time crap is NOTHING compared to this!

Forget McStupe's comments about the beach closing--forget his comments at St. Sabina!

His response to this direct insult will seal his fate one way or another!

SCC, I hope you can post a link. In over 25 years on this job, I have never seen a more disturbing story!

Another poster hit the nail on the head--where was the outrage after we lost one officer after another last year????

The rev's said we overreact to 'shots fired' calls, and because we are so scared we end up shooting black people.

They said we don't know how to interact with black people and shoot them too often!!!!

Please SCC, give this some air!

7/29/2011 04:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


One dead, one wounded around 3:30 p.m. near 82nd Street and Cottage Grove Avenue.


Three police officers were talking outside a bank near 83rd and Cottage when they saw a man shoot a woman, then open fire on a man in a vehicle, authorities said, citing preliminary information.

The gunman then shot at the officers and they returned fire, authorities said. The gunman fled in a car and was involved in a crash at 82nd and Drexel Boulevard, but continued to about 86th Street and Ingleside Avenue before jumping out...

more >>,0,2025253.story


Damn man. What the po-po be doing on 83 and cottage avenue where dey have no business being. This be in the heart of the zone of impunity where you do what you like.


7/29/2011 05:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Drop the subscriptions to the Scum Times and Fibune if you haven't already. Encourage your family, friends and neighbors to do the same and get your news for free online.

They are just a left wing propaganda tool now.

7/29/2011 05:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Attacks on police are up precisely because of the Scum Times and Fibune reporting. With very few exceptions, the reporters in this town are useless liberal idiots who add fuel to the fire when they report the bullshit they do.

They try to sensationalize police shooting stories for that "bad police" angle and it leads to this type of situation. Now we have flash mobs, out of control gang bangers and no fear of punishment from a broken county court system.

I say just let it burn. We'll clean up after the Revolution. And those so called reporters will be among the first to go to the wall.

7/29/2011 05:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This just in.Lt. Dean Stone from 013 to be named the new Commander of 024. You heard it here first.

7/29/2011 05:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

but people, including cops continue to buy their paper.

7/29/2011 06:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Times and Trib suck. As far as a law suit forget it, my lawyer told me so!

7/29/2011 06:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Keep paying the taxes,give burkes kids jobs look at here quinn allowing illegals to get college scholarship money while the working people just pay more and get less! We need a fucking revolution and now!,0,7311321.story

7/29/2011 07:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who needs Pat Camden,the fop was silent after last sundays story but a po named barber was not,check out his letter to the editor in tue. 26 jul 11,he responds to the story and does what the fop should have,he defends the dept.,SCC post a link to the article or the article itself,barber says what 10000 of us think,and hes right on the money.

7/29/2011 01:13:00 AM
Mike shields where thou art thou? Hows the new lincoln we bought you or the money you obviously stole to be "bigmikedaddy" just be pimpin! How about the jobs you have given friends and family? Anyone work an 8 hour day at flop? Hows that new office furniture oh silent 1! Mike your a 1 termer and what a MISTAKE that was made!

7/29/2011 07:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Consider reading the following for reprints of all news articles NOT seen by We The People because the socialist media boss obozo does not allow it:

Check out the names of the news sources and further educate yourself to what this socialist in the White Hut is doing to our country....and then join forces with like-minded people and REMOVE oboma, before he destroys this great country.

Whose side are you on? Do you defend and protect the Constitution, liberty, freedom? Do you appreciate the sacrifice of soldiers past who fought and died in the defense of our country and what it stands for?

There is a fight going on right now in our White House between the socialist government currently in power and the conservatives in this country. The tyrannical dictator oboma, with the Mussolini stance and pouty smirk on his face wants it ALL...your money, your freedom to do with as HE pleases. Bastards like this killed relatives of mine during WWII. And they have now banded with islamic terrorists, communists, revolutionaries, fascists, etc. to take down the USA, destroy it, "fundamentally change" our country, to use obozo's words, and then determine later which groups gets to keep which spoils.

We're in a damn war, everybody. We must now focus on organizing with like minded people who love this country and will defend the Constitution, as our forefathers once did for us. Unless you want to live like the socialist loving people of Cuba, Venezuela, Russia, England, to name a few, stand up, speak up and FIGHT for our Constitution, our freedom and our liberty. Step ON the socialist cockroaches in Washington like you would any cockroach.

7/29/2011 07:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This and Mary Mitchell are why I stopped buying that rag years ago. I hope that POS rag goes under, the sooner the better...

7/29/2011 09:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The number of lies this year told by Sun Times reporter Frank Main, is disturbing.

7/29/2011 10:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The rags like this want to create a city where pot shots at the understaffed overworked CPD officers is encouraged! Another reason i cancelled my subscriptions, more lies and bullshit! Hey media why not call out barry in washington where he is movin on up,and ask him why he has no police detail covering house? Why did daley the head of the criminal empire have it removed? Why is it the secret service has to cover everything over there at a much higher cost? Barry when George Bush (Yes we miss him much), was president his residence in Texas and as a matter of fact everywhere is Texas money was pumped in to pay first responders! But here in this city/state we have idiots like quinn signing the "dream act" giving illegal kids the same rights as tax payers and natural born citizens who vote and fight for this country. Yep the dream act will give free college to ILLEGAL KIDS, scholarships and more,lets work harder and more jobs so these pos can get all the free shit the libs that are elected stole from US! I am moving to Arizona in a few months where there is real shit to stop the illegals,and a real sheriff Joe unlike dart the puppy boy! Rant/off thanks for all you do SCC your the greatest!!

7/29/2011 10:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

FOP should double Pat's salary and keep him on the tail of the Liar News media.

7/29/2011 11:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

Pat Camden works for the FOP, not us.

Remember that, SCC.

7/29/2011 01:48:00 AM

But FOP represents us, by us I mean sworn officers below the rank of sergeant. Perhaps your "us" wear white shirts?

7/30/2011 12:28:00 AM  
Blogger Michael said...

there is an old saying--- " you mess with the bull, you get the horns "----

7/30/2011 08:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

remeber 2 % raise because next contract we'll be receiving no pay raises , no cuts in manpower
salary will go down
we will miss Mayor Daley

7/30/2011 10:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is anyone that dumb to think Frank main has integrity???? Why would anyone talk to this guy. Idiots, only fools would trust a man with a knife to your back.

7/30/2011 04:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Dirty Harry said...

"Nothing wrong with a little shooting, as long as the right people get shot"

7/30/2011 06:08:00 PM  

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