No More CTA Special?
Bunch of people posting about CTA Special employment being ended. Then this popped up in the media:
- Mayor Rahm Emanuel plans to hire 50 full-time police officers to patrol rail and bus stations around the city.
The officers will come from the fall class of the Chicago Police Academy and will be detailed to public transportation by the spring of 2012.
"It brings a level of security that is comprehensive. . .so people going to and from neighborhood to neighborhood can feel safe," Emanuel said at the Ashland and Lake Green Line stop. "In this case, we are putting more police on the platform."
So is this a new Unit? If so, doesn't it have to be filled by seniority 80/20? There is something about that in the contract we think.
And if it is being built from the ground up, how many CTA rail and bus stations are there around the city? Just off the top of our head, we could name well over 100. And they're open on all three shifts. So what manner of bullshit is this coming from City Hall?
The only good thing is it confirms a fall class of recruits going through the Academy.
And if it is being built from the ground up, how many CTA rail and bus stations are there around the city? Just off the top of our head, we could name well over 100. And they're open on all three shifts. So what manner of bullshit is this coming from City Hall?
The only good thing is it confirms a fall class of recruits going through the Academy.
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posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
90 Comments:
Will it be a new unit or new department like the old "transit police" or "Cha police" "Chicago Park police" what will it entail? 50 guys of course they need their own commander,lieutenant,sergeants,time keepers,etc.. What a grand idea or more like another 50 MILLION dollars stolen!
By the spring of 2012 the NATO G8 summmit's will be in full swing and no-one will be going anywhere.
You can book-it danno
This fall class will be going directly to CTA, per Emanuel. Doesn't sound like a good plan to me.
For those of you that care, FOP just announced on their website MSF/TRU are officially done Aug 18th and looks like there will be a super bid for those who are lucky enough to get their spots. Start making those phone calls.
Said it before and will say it again... This is the new unit G-Mac's buddy, Pat Schmear, is gonna be in charge of.
You do not become a fan of the New York football Giants, in Bears country, for nothing, do ya?
Patti
grievance.... and we won.
More smoke and mirrors, if you again assign 50 police officers from the ranks to work CTA, you havent hired any extra police, just re assigned them. If in fact CTA Special Employment is cancled you will have less police working the trains and buses. Now if 9.5, Clayfool, and McPuppet said CTA was forming and hiring CTA's own police force then we have a story here!
Ot
Fop website has info on TRU and MSF officers who were detailed to districts. Apparently effective change day, TRU and msf will cease to exist. Those officers detailed to 3,4,5,6,7,11 and 15 will have the opportunity to bid to....3,4,5,6,7,11 and 15. If they don't get one of those districts there will then be a "super bid" opportunity to go to....you guessed it,.. 3,4,5,6,7 11 and 15. How's that for a thank you.
just make sure your vest is less then 5 yeasr old,
Pure stupidity if they took recruits directly from the academy and placed them into Mass Transit; no street experience and no knowledge on how to write paper spells disaster. What numbskull came up with this?
Who cares?
Press making shit up-noway will they or can they take recruits out of the academy and put them in Mass Transit
Does anyone else find the humor in the story?
Rahm's press release states that the POs will come from the fall class of the Academy.
The problem: 50 NEW Probationary Police Officers with no knowledge of police work are going to protect the CTA-- a transit system that will be the next target for terrorists?
Someone tell Rahm that the new PPOs will replace officers taken from patrol to make this permanent CTA unit
Check out the editorial in the sun times: and I quote "we all know there are too many cops who pull the trigger too quickly."
go fuck yourselves suntimes editorial board!!!!!!
Glen Campbell said,(witchita lineman)
I am a policeman for the city
and I drive the ghetto road
searching in the dark for another gun to explode,
I hear the reverands and the choir
I can hear the mothers cry
and the Chicago policeman still defends the thin blue line...
I know I need a baby furlough,
but we can't take the manpower strain, better to protect the beaches,buses and trains...
And I need you more than want you,
and you've wasted so much of my time, But the Chicago Policeman still defends the THE THIN BLUE LINE...
OT the "Freaknik" other commenters were talking about is the Woodstars Festival, July 28-31:
Woodstars Festival
Judging from this article it sounds like it's going to be a pretty epic clusterf*ck.
Notice he said "feel safe". NOT "be safe"....
from FOP website:
MSF/TRU End of Detail 07/27/11
The Lodge has finally been given information regarding the fate of the MSF/TRU Officers that were detailed to various District Law Enforcement Units. The MSF and TRU will cease to exist on change day, August 18, 2011.
Recognized vacancies will be posted by the Department on Friday, July 29. These openings will likely be in Districts 003, 004, 005, 006, 007, 008, 011, and 015. A very limited number of openings in Northside Districts may be made available. MSF/TRU Officers may participate in this round of bidding. Those MSF/TRU Officers who participate and are successful bidders will be locked into these bids for one-year period.
A second round of bidding will be available only for MSF/TRU Officers. These Officers will be able to submit a bid for up to three Districts. These Districts will likely, but may not, be the same Districts offered in the Recognized Vacancy posting. The MSF/TRU Officers who participate and are successful bidders in this round of bidding will not be locked into these bids. They will be able to bid for any future vacancies offered by the Department.
Those MSF/TRU Officers who are unsuccessful bidders after both rounds will be subject to being place in a District at the Department's discretion.
The Lodge had discussed several options for these displaced MSF and TRU Officers with the Department. Unfortunately, an agreement could not be reached. The Lodge did not agree to this process and does not endorse it.
This is the reward for these Officers who exhibited professionalism and a dedicated work ethic in areas that most Officers would prefer not to work. Please keep this in mind when the Department offers another opportunity to work in another non-bid unit. The risks outweigh the rewards
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man did the department fuck these guys/girls over.
Doesnt have to be filled by seniority. All ppo's are sent to training districts and prior to the end of their 18 month probation they are assigned to any district or unit of the citys choice. I believe the last class a few months ago where all sent to 009 and either 003 or 006 How do you think districts like 001, 018 and 016 get the young officers
When I went to the academy they had FTO's in all districts except 001 and 018. A month before the end of our probation a group of ppo's were transferred to 001 and 018. Seniority definately does not apply to ppo's when they are assigned a unit All the city has to do is send them to a training district for 3 months and then transfer them to the CTA unit, simple as that
Well that would be all well and good except to the 50 from the Academy. Say the 50 stay there for months, and then get sent to a District when their detail is up. You have 50 people who don't have a clue as to what to do in a District. Who then in turn need to be trained again. The 50 spots need to be put up for bid.
lolololololol hahahahahahahahahaha jejejejejejeeje. what else can u said. we will see what kind of change that will make.
"Somebody call da poleezes, because dey is playing da shell game on da CTA"! Claypool, the latest political hack to head CTA is a Liberal who wants nothing to do with the police. So by handing his budget of federal money for police coverage over to Rhambo, the police department gets paid for 50 officers, who will add to Rhambo's 1000. However, the CTA riders will be the real losers, and here is why: The CTA is allocated 52 officers per day to cover Voluntary Special Employment spread amongst five watches. These officers are an absolute bargain in that they are working straight time on their days off! This exists only on CTA Special Employment. And since this is their side job, the officers show up. The 50 new officers, will have RDOs, furloughs, IODs, time-due, etc. So on any given day, there will be a fraction of 50 actually working! The 50 "new officers" is really just making the part-time officers permanent. And the concept of sending cops to Mass Transit out of the Academy is the way they do it in NYPD. Here, it will have to be by bids/seniority. There may not be a full head of hair on any of those "new" officers. So, it is all just a shell game, humbug and sham on the CTA ridership and the loyal officers who worked so many years on Special Employment. Signed, Baby "G", formerly of the 5th Watch/VSEP
Thanks Baby Gorilla for your insight. I miss your roll call speeches and your display of the lost art of the aztec death grip.
Forest Jagpool wanted to make J-Fled the chief of this new transit police force and Rahm told him to go fuck himself. J-Fled is (rightly so) on the top of the do not hire list.
So, it is all just a shell game, humbug and sham on the CTA ridership and the loyal officers who worked so many years on Special Employment. Signed, Baby "G", formerly of the 5th Watch/VSEP
7/28/2011 04:15:00 AM
I will second that and raise you this:
By stealing the grant money from the CTA (and it may really be theft depending on what the grant says the CTA can do with the money) Rahm has actually CUT the number of Officers on the CTA.Cut the number a whole lot.
The Officers are now working FULL TIME for the CTA. This means the Officers that used to be hired by the CTA and are now full time have furloughs, days off, can request to use comp time and will be on the Medical some days. This effectively cuts the manpower by about one half. Not a precise number, but damn close.
So, just because RAHM wanted a big splashy news opportunity, RAHM actually CUT the number of Police Officers that will patrol the subways by a substantial number!!
WILL THE MEDIA HAVE THE GUTS TO ASK RAHM THIS OR ARE THEY AFRAID OF HIM?
Many of us use Special Employment to pay for extra things, like sending our kids to a better school, so I know RAHM understands our frustration.
Rahm said he will only hire 50 new recruits using CTA funds. Then admitted he does not have the funds to hire more recruits. In other words, a negative gain. 300-500 retire every year. The 50 new recruits will not impact the shortage on the stret. It takes 7 months to train new recruits so the new CTA detail will not take effect until March 2012. The shortages will get worse next year.
Pure stupidity if they took recruits directly from the academy and placed them into Mass Transit; no street experience and no knowledge on how to write paper spells disaster. What numbskull came up with this?
7/28/2011 12:59:00 AM
These idiot politicians and citizens think that recruits who completed their academy training are actually qualified, capable police officers that have the ability to work the street and function like any other police officer. They don't realize that a newly graduated recruit needs their hand held and their ass wiped for at least a year after hitting the street.
Phil Schitz here said...
Pure stupidity if they took recruits directly from the academy and placed them into Mass Transit; no street experience and no knowledge on how to write paper spells disaster. What numbskull came up with this?
7/28/2011 12:59:00 AM
The usual numbskull.
Anonymous said...
Check out the editorial in the sun times: and I quote "we all know there are too many cops who pull the trigger too quickly."
go fuck yourselves suntimes editorial board!!!!!!
7/28/2011 02:22:00 AM
If a cop pulls the trigger before he is dead, then that PO did not pull the trigger too quickly. Only not quickly enough matters.
It will be like the Airports, when they got 60 new Officers year before last, federal government pays for new ones through the academy and bids will be opened up for public transportation. The CTA would rather give the Department the $10 million one time to permanently increase the size of the Public Transportation Unit instead of every year to run the CTA Voluntary Special Employment Program. CTA Special is viewed as overtime (even though paid at straight time), so the Department gets to whack "overtime" and the CTA gets to show a $10 million savings annually. You young guys can thank more elected and appointed democrats for keeping their hands on your wallets.
So what the hell is the Mass Transit unit for???? What do they do and where do they do it? Sick of people saying that we need more on the street, and we have all these "specialized" units that we never see.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Does anyone else find the humor in the story?
Rahm's press release states that the POs will come from the fall class of the Academy.
The problem: 50 NEW Probationary Police Officers with no knowledge of police work are going to protect the CTA-- a transit system that will be the next target for terrorists?
Someone tell Rahm that the new PPOs will replace officers taken from patrol to make this permanent CTA unit
7/28/2011 02:16:00 AM
So in essence what rahmmie is saying is that we don't have a cta unit? Hey 9.5 have you checked unit 701/702? They are a DEDICATED CTA UNIT! Like they did with showing RIP MIKE BAILEY with no activity andhad no clue he was KILLED by an animal,did they not know we already have CTA unit? Maybe beef it up with more coppers would be great! How much more of our money will they take?
Overheard that Tiny Dancer 9.5 and G-Mac will create a new Homeland Security Section encompassing Public Trans, both airports, marine unit, and choppers. This Section will be non-bidable and only qualified applicants or clout babys will need apply.
Could be a way to circumvent the contract. What say you Mike Shields.
Firstly, isn't this the same kind of language used a couple of years ago about the airport? When in acutuality the airport spots were filled with grievence winners and bids. The new hires were cannon fodder.
Secondly, check back when school starts. Who is going to be following all those buses around by the schools with the "pep squads".
And that poster was right about those who signed up for VSEP. They showed up. Every day they filled every spot. Good luck with that when you bring in the 50 on bids.
Heard the 4th Watch CTA Special Employment Sgt updated his resume.
Now under ACCOMPLISHMENTS it reads:
Consummate kiss ass.
It's the same thing they said about the Airports.
Word was 50 recruits 'were going to both Airports' but in reality the City opened up the Units for Bid.
They also opened MTU for bid around early 2010 I recall, some 20-25 Mass Transit Openings.
Any way those recruits will have to get field trained somewhere and it won't be in MTU.
I wouldn't worry about this issue, glad there'll be some newbies coming out.
Getting rid of special is just a FU to officers looking for extra money.
There still is a contract and the spots should be filled like O'Hare was 18 months ago. They will be part of the public transportation section. As for a lieutenant and sergeants for the unit, they already have those from the special employment side-unit 702.
This must mean that district law enforcement need not get bus or el station checks any more...right?
Sorry to see you go 3rd watch sgts C.D and T.O, and good riddance sgt B.M
Here's a question to ask....."show me the money!" CTA special was funded by the federal government to help with security on CTA trains and buses. If they shut down CTA special on Aug, who's going to help our mass trans unit. The mayors plans for 50 Po's from fall class to help out. Where's the money? Smoke and mirrors by the Mayor and the Department. This magical "PPO"S" who seem to be placed in units to boost the numbers in each area of the department. WTF! And then have the stones to send out memo's on Po's activity on why PO's are behind from last year numbers.
This is obviously just a case of Rahm talking out of his ass without a clue of how things work. Nothing new here. It will be filled by seniority/management like everything else.
WOW !
the new little mayor really is clueless about policing a city
to make matters worse he is relying upon a goofy carpetbagger from out east to advise him
we're on the Titanic and it's been 2 hours since we hit the iceberg
Wait for the other shoe to drop. In the press ocnference yesterday it was referenced that the new Officers will be trained at the Chicago Police Academy. Why say this if they are going to be CPD.
I expect that they will announce the development of a CTA Police Department. The justification will be that the CTA's lines extend far beyond the jurisdictional lines of the CPD. Suburban PD's do not have the resources to provide needed service.
Also, if these Officers are supposed to be CPD how do you keep them in the CTA Unit if they want out after probation is up?
You will notice that no one has mentioned the fact that the reason these guys are bing sent to the feds found out the city was stealing the money that was to be used for this, so now the city has to make good in putting POs there. Sounds a lot like the airport mess too.
Why does the press protect these guys??
Seniority is whats wrong with this department!
This fall class will be going directly to CTA, per Emanuel. Doesn't sound like a good plan to me.
7/28/2011 12:18:00 AM
They always say this. When housing was disbanded they said so and so recruits will be hired for patrol the projects. Instead they created a 3rd TRU company(RIP)
I think they will open 50 spots in mass trans. Didn't they say the same thing about 2-3 years ago? That PPO's were going there but they really open a bid and THOSE guys went? I remember because a real dog left us and went to Mass Trans and all I thought was "Good Luck with that one...."
Academy Lt. (to new recruits going to CTA trains): ladies and gentlemen, don't forget this sound....woo woo!
recruits: why?
Lt: that sound means that the train is coming into the station!
Long live Baby GGGGGGGesus! Beware beast, he's still on the system.
mccarthy , rahmbo , her's an idea .
Disband CTA unit , assign all officers to districts , require officers to ride cta trains and fixed post during rush hour traffic. The rest of tour they could answer radio assignments and not shop , work out or have long lunches , like tru and msf .
Does this cancel out the planned 200 recruits that were supposed to be starting this fall?
50 per class starting in Sept. to Dec.?
we need the FOP to demand an apology for comments in today s suntimes editorial page. or take action.
"Anonymous said...
Ot
Fop website has info on TRU and MSF officers who were detailed to districts. Apparently effective change day, TRU and msf will cease to exist. Those officers detailed to 3,4,5,6,7,11 and 15 will have the opportunity to bid to....3,4,5,6,7,11 and 15. If they don't get one of those districts there will then be a "super bid" opportunity to go to....you guessed it,.. 3,4,5,6,7 11 and 15. How's that for a thank you.
7/28/2011 12:45:00 AM"
...and still not to 10!
I think the media has the story wrong. After the 50 P.P.O.'s leave the academy, 50 P.O.'s from through-out the city will be assigned to CTA. There is no way they will make 50 P.P.O.'s with no expierience begin their careers on the CTA.
who will teach these new people about real policing. These new people in their own unit will be naive and vulnerable. Its scary.
fuck rahm and mccarthy..they will fuck u in a heart beat...
The are stopping special because they want officers to do more.
The black bdu wearing turnstile jumper police must really be in a panic??
"For those of you that care, FOP just announced on their website MSF/TRU are officially done Aug 18th and looks like there will be a super bid for those who are lucky enough to get their spots. Start making those phone calls.
7/28/2011 12:21:00 AM"
Fuck your Phone call, bid like every other nonclouted Officer has to. Lifes a bitch, Welcome to the real world.
"man did the department fuck these guys/girls over.
7/28/2011 03:03:00 AM"
No it didnt they all made phonecalls & clamored to get into that non-bid unit. Management did what they were allowed to bycontract. If you were stupid enough to think otherwise, you only have yourself to blame. Anyways, Our heartfelt thanks for making a difference out there
Would you EVER trust the city, with the Rahmster and McGeneralissimo in charge to volunteer for Mass Transit or any unit like that again.
50 new pairs of shoes in...
In the meantime...
How many more will RETIRE,
PASS AWAY (r.i.p.)
GET FIRED
GET SENT TO "CALL BACK"
Rahm will dwindle us down to almost nothing. Then he will offer a contract with some little bonus, like a big uniform check for those currently on the job but will sell out all new hires. The may get no medical or pension benefits as we know them.
Register and Vote, Call your Alderman.
I did the math on 50 off. Divide 50 by 3 wtches and u get 16 per watch. Divide that by 6 days off and u get 2.7777777 p.os. Since 2 days overlap u have to take 6 P.O. s off the watch for everyday. Taht makes 10 P.Os work everyday per watch.And that does nor include furloughs and other days off.So your losing 6-8 p.o.s per day per watch.Someone is going to pocket a lot of money on this one. And now u have no one riding the buses since they ll be assigned to the trains. And we keep electing these einsteins. Can t wait to get the f2ck out of here.Coming to a theater near u in 2012"ESCAPE FROM SHITCAGO". In 3D.Starring 9.5 and McGOFFY.
the new recruits need 3 cycles after the academy, but since there are never enough ftos to ppos, they have to do something else in the meantime until they get an fto (fto class grievance and ftos won)...so riding trains would be somethin for them to do in the meantime. if there are 50 new recruits per month, this would keep the unit running for a while...6 months in the academy, one more year in ppo status.
I'm IOD right now, and im just sooooo excited to get back to work, NOT!
It seems like a really dumb idea to assign all those new guys to the same place.
Don't they have to go thru a year of sueprvised work before they can eb assigned on their own?
Clearly this is a mirror of New York. They have N.Y.P.D,New York Transit Police and the Port Authority Police.
This is a subversion of the Chicago Police Dept.command structure.
Ultimately the goal will be to have numerous law enforcement entities.
This makes no sense which is precisely why the department would attempt something like this. Logic and this department have been polar opposites for quite awhile now.
Theres 126 stations. But what makes me laugh is that they pay $9.7 mill for 60 seasoned officers to patrol on thier days off now. When the NEW recruits get out they will be paying $10 mill for only 50 officers that don't know much yet.
Now if they were to add 50 officers to the already mass transit unit with SEASONED officers by senority and put the 50 new recruits in the district to learn the job, it might be a little smarter.
Phil Schitz here said...
Pure stupidity if they took recruits directly from the academy and placed them into Mass Transit; no street experience and no knowledge on how to write paper spells disaster. What numbskull came up with this?
7/28/2011 12:59:00 AM
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Some exempt came up with this. You know that they are ALWAYS coming up with new smart ideas.
I'm in my late forties, hate working out, and hate turning down the foods I love to eat even more. But guess what, when I became the Police I knew I had to at least try to keep my health together. I know it sucks getting older, my body aches just as much as the next persons', but I have a work ethic instilled in me by my parents and a little pride in myself. I would never ever think of abusing the medical. I wouldn't be able to hold my head up if I was abusing the light duty system. So many people on this job lack integrity. If you are offended by my post, take a second and ask yorself why. Change your eating habits and work out for your health.
some more smoke and mirror dont worry rahm will get elected again on his bull shit, cause he breeds welfare rats like no other hopefully he gets bit.
is rahm really fooling this many citizen with his games?
Do they count for the 1000 police officers he promised to hit the street? We need these officers to replenish the Districts. Hire 50 over and above to staff CTA or you are stealing from Peter (us) to pay Paul.
Anonymous said...
Seniority is whats wrong with this department!
7/28/2011 10:16:00 AM
This coming from a 2 year veteran. STFU and earn your senority.
we need the FOP to demand an apology for comments in today s suntimes editorial page. or take action.
7/28/2011 12:02:00 PM
Do you need FOP to wipe your ass too? Stand up and do something for yourself for a change.
They are going to fill 50 vacancies in 701, after the recruits get out and go to the districts. Those will include bids. Problem is that this is less officers than what we got through Special Employment. Bad plan!
Dear Lord, I pray there is not a terrorist attack any time soon in this city!!!!!! Our loved ones and ourselves are sooooooo f$&@d!!!!! Honestly, think about it..........:(
it's like that big pink elephant in the room that everyone pretends is not there!! Scary shit!
FEDERAL GRANT MONEY
The reason the city and the CTA is going in this direction is because they are getting grant monies from a federal transportion intitative.
The catch is that all 50 new officers have to be trained specially for MASS TRANSIT work.
So is this a new Unit? If so, doesn't it have to be filled by seniority 80/20? There is something about that in the contract we think.
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The "80% bid/20% management" on bids means that 80% of ALL districts and biddable units AS A WHOLE must be filled by bid.
Mass Transit is a biddable unit however the city can refuse to open up bids there if there are 50 new vacancies. However, they will be nice enough to open up 50 nice spots in places like 006, 003 and 011. This way they will conform to the contract. In reality, the city will probably open up about 6 spots in all for bid in Unit 701/Mass Transit when the time comes.
Are there FTO'S
in MTU? Just a thought.
GEE Who is the Clouted in that class???????
How about the up side. Fifty more officers paying union dues and paying into our pension fund. We need to raise our numbers more then we need special. I want my PENSION!
Anonymous said...
Seniority is whats wrong with this department!
You won't be saying that when you get off probation rookie!
was told in special today that cta special employment will continue
Anonymous said...
Seniority is whats wrong with this department!
7/28/2011 10:16:00 AM
Juvenile senility is what's wrong with this department.
Take this from a retired guy. Thank your stars for the union. Yes,in a perfect world we would not need a union, senority and bidding and all that comes with that. But, this is not a perfect world. The abuses to oficers without clout were going on in 1968 when I came on, but no where near what they became when Daley took over. And, the Daley run department has done all that they can over the years to circumvent the contract with no gold star ever held accountable for the abuse and cost. And, don't knock the old CTA police. I worked with them on occasion and thought they did a great job, they should be brought back. The mass transit unit of CPD has been a hiding ground for many years, especially the tact teams who always spent their time in clubs and at home when they should have been working. I sure hope things have changed since i retired. Daley and his appointed ass-kissing superintendents ruined the department.
Seniority is whats wrong with this department!
7/28/2011 10:16:00 AM
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Your either a boss or a moron with no time on the job.
So which are you, a jagoff or cretin?
Anonymous said...
we need the FOP to demand an apology for comments in today s suntimes editorial page. or take action.
7/28/2011 12:02:00 PM
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What a great idea!! Now, just what would you have them do, cancel their subscription? Oops, most of the population has already done that.
Talked to a lieutenant there,he was told special will be gone as soon as the recruits graduate, lets do the math 50 new faces,with sick days,days off,furloughs,maybe 30 per day or 10 per watch. Now they hire 60+ per day and all 60 are there everyday guess as usual whoever advises rahmmie has no clue how cta works! 222 miles of rail, what about 118 stops, yep the new kids will stop the crime what a bunch of overpaid goofs making plans! 1 more year left to go fuck it been done!
Mass Transit can be filled by those 50 recruits just prior to them getting off their 18 month probation. At that time seniority does not apply to the recruits and they can be sent to any unit management desires. Happens with every recruit class. That how places like 001 and 018 get new recruits and po's Thats a fact
The catch is that all 50 new officers have to be trained specially for MASS TRANSIT work.
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You are SO right. Catching on-train eaters, turnstyle jumpers, loiterers and one baggers is really some specialized stuff. The only thing they will have to learn is how to put six people on an illegal vendor arrest. For three hours.
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